East Side Access, Siemens High-Speed Trainset, MBTA Electrification? | This Month on the Railroad
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- Опубліковано 13 чер 2024
- Hi. I'm Sam, a railfan based out of Eastern Massachusetts. I film trains from all around the world and make narrated videos explaining how the railroad works. Thanks for watching and I'll see you out on the mainline!
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0:00 - Intro
0:11 - First Amtrak Venture cab car spotted
0:39 - Brightline teases Orlando station
0:54 - MTA to build Interborough Express as light rail
1:21 - Amtrak begins process of replacing long-distance equipment
2:08 - Tampa commuter agency disbands
2:28 - Bill proposed to electrify MBTA commuter rail
2:56 - LIRR begins service to Grand Central
3:30 - Siemens Mobility shows high-speed train concept
3:55 - $4 billion investment in Baltimore tunnel
4:37 - VIARail to replace long-distance trains
5:08 - California rail projects receive funding
5:31 - Outro
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If the MBTA starts going electric via catenaries then they should consider leasing or buying the ACS locomotives from Amtrak since those will be phased out with the new ALC-42E/Venture car combos in the coming years.
The ALP-46 is the locomotives MBTA needs to get if they are to electrify. Especially since it suits the network too
Only issue I see is that Amtrak is already stretched thin for motive power on the NEC, we’ll probably still see amfleet consists until all Airo sets are delivered much later in the 2020s
Amtrak will still retain the majority of acs-64s if not all. Some of the new trains will still be pulled by an acs-64 when they are only scheduled for under the wire service such as keystone trains (no need for a diesel alc-42e for those types of schedules) and the long distance trains that travel on the NEC will still need an acs-64.
Don’t worry, they’ll buy the cheapest ones they can and they won’t work
@@MrStark-up6fi Question, why the ALP-46 over the ACS-64s? I don’t know what is different between the two other than the ALP-46 is NJT while the ACS is used by Amtrak/someone else I think.
2023 has already been an exciting year for rail expansion proposals
Indeed! I'm already looking forward to seeing what the other 11 months will bring!
Its going to keep getting better and better
Luckily a lot of MA politicians have pushed back against battery trains recently and many have stated they’ll only support full overhead electrification. That being said, the bill is VERY ambitious for electrification to be implemented by 2024 at earliest. Even if the MBTA ordered/leased electric locos or EMUs within the next year or so, the T lacks any yards or facilities that could receive or maintain electric rolling stock… the MBTA would have already needed to have invested heavily into electrification if it were to meet the bill’s deadlines…
Wow American is becoming so powerful again with these projects 🇺🇸🦅
Agreed! We are already quite strong, with our military and economy! With these projects, our railroad system will be much stronger, too!
@@SleepTrain456 the railroad system already is strong. We have the best freight trains in the world. But our passenger infrastructure is severely lacking
@@jackchen7003 Agreed! As the long freight trains of the Class I railroads, with their multiple 4,000-horsepower engines and their large amount of cars, suggest, the US has great freight rail networks!
Passenger rail, though, could use some improvements. Thankfully, these projects can provide it!
Seeing a Velaro train in the US would be amazing!
SUPER excited for Amtrak seeking replacements for its long distance trains. Definitely can’t wait to see what comes from that and seeing replacements for the Superliners.
Maybe it's gonna be something along the lines of Austrias new NightJet, although they are on a "whole other level" regarding floor and entrance heights ^^
And Siemens might not have the Capacities for even more rolling stock atm...
@@powgames I definitely agree Siemens probably won’t be taking on another massive order like this. I would hope Amtrak/Via Rail would look at successful long distance train designs from other countries, exactly like the NightJet. Would keep costs low and bring an already known product in quickly. I do wonder if they want to stick to the double deck design or go with single levels so the cars could be used system wide.
Hopefully more superliners but better!
@@senorspahrtan Most long distance trains outside of the US are high-speed EMUs. The only exception being night trains. In general, passenger service is increasingly handled by multiple-units which have the advantage of better acceleration (more powered axles), and better boarding capacity: you don't loose station platform capacity because of a locomotive. So building carriages is niche market, and as the US is already pretty niche, there is not so much competition.
This is very interesting news! MBTA could be electrified, my home state will get new cab cars, Amtrak and Via could get even more new cars someday, and Siemens finally has an idea for an American Velaro! Also, I'm glad to see that Baltimore is finally planning on replacing that old tunnel of theirs. Thanks for the video!
It’s going to be a great year for railways!
Man I'd love for Metra to start pushing for more electrification
Becoming less and less unimpressed by the news with every new video, it seems like there might be a bright figure for passenger rail in the US in the near future after all!
I would guess that for the new long-distance rail cars for Amtrak and Via Siemens will also be the manufacturer since Siemens has built strong relationships with both of Amtrak and Via while also being the only big train/rail car manufacturer out there currently working on and building new-modern state of the art sleeper Cars (for reference look at the new Nightjets in Austria). Furthermore, if I'm not mistaken Siemens thinks about further investments in North America and therefore maybe we could see an expansion of the existing or the establishment of a new plant making headaches about the manufacturing capacity of Siemens more or less redundant (maybe a few more orders, like exactly those we are talking about is exactly what Siemens needs as a reason for bigger Investments in North America).
Metra has ordered new coaches. Maybe Amtrak could order something quite similar, but made for long-distance services.
@@simonsv9449 That was Alstom right?
@@blowtorchhonor Yes
@@Ferreira0504 Yes it was alstomz
"strong relationship" yeah right
Finally the MBTA is gonna be electrified.
It’s only a legislative bill it doesn’t mean anything until the governor signs off on it
Brrroooo i was waiting so long for this
I’m totally jealous right now of Canadian cities like Ottawa and Montreal getting really competent light rail networks. Strange thing though: why are many Canadians so upset about this? Light rail is already putting them leagues ahead of NYC and Boston, yet they’re really in no position to complain about easier travel. Kind of head scratcher if you ask me. 🤷♂️
Anyway I do look forward to more 2023 passenger rail news ahead .
good stuff as usual man! nice seeing you at the big e!
Thanks for the update, much appreciate it! 👍
best series ever
Awesome video!
I really hope they keep double decker cars if they change the superliner cars
It would be fun if an underground train station would be built in the new tunnel as a transfer to the Metro SubwayLink. There is already a metro station at Penn-North close to where the new tunnel would go so a transfer station to MARC and maybe even Amtrak Northeast Regional services could be built underneath the existing metro station.
Love your videos my friend
I think you missed about Alstom’s proposal for their view for Via Rail’s High Frequency Rail to be bumped up to be High Speed Rail. Preferring to have a TGV train though Via Rail only proposing more of TGF style train due to costs and other factors. Some part going up to 300km/h and some going down to 144km/h in some parts of the corridor from Toronto-Peterborough-Ottawa-Montreal-Trois Rivières-Quebec City
Great Video!
The MTA is most likely going to use heavy-rail equipment for the IBX. And it is likely that they are going to use the existing trackage and just add in stations.
Love your channel and content. Curious what TMOTRR stands for?
It stands for this month on the railroad
Interesting that MBTA choses the same approach as Caltrain with the electric trains, not just in the type of train (Stadler KISS) but also with the doors of different heights.
I think that’s just a proposal train, maybe they are going to use electric locomotives instead
It’s a concept mock-up from about 5 years ago, it’s from a previous electrification proposal that was canceled in 2021
NYC is going to have its first tram system? I can't believe it.
Did have to post when im in class 😭
Ill watch later but so hyped!
2:00 STADLER I LOVE STADLER I LOVE STADLER
I wonder if Brightline will ever order Venture cab cars. Also, I'm glad that Amtrak is investing in a Superliner replacement. Although they're iconic rail equipment, they feel extremely dated. And I'm bummed that commuter rail in my hometown of Tampa is dead. I wonder if a private entity would have more success.
I feel like once brightline announces plans to expand to Tampa, they could revisit the option of having a commuter rail network, maybe they’ve put off the option for now but when brightline comes through, (hopefully) they’ll reconsider
@@froztytrainfilms9148 I would love that. They're already setting themselves up to be a great TriRail competitor. They'd have Tampa to themselves. A good start would be from wherever their downtown station is, past the TPA, over the bay (the new bridge they're putting in has space for rail) to PIE, then to a Y that goes north and south between Clearwater and St Pete. I'm no urban planner, but I've lived here long enough to know where the biggest need is lol.
As I understand, Brightline is more likely to upgrade it's 4-car trains to 7-car (or maybe longer), which would possibly require both Chargers (which are also less powerful than Amtrak) to get to 125mph with decent acceleration and still having enough head-end power. So I think we might sooner see additional (standard) Venture cars than cab cars.
@@ZvonimirZelenika Good point! Thanks for the reply.
Wow that video is really great. I was wondering how do you manage to keep up with everything and not forget something ?
I don't know if they do rolling stock, but it might be worth asking Stadler to fill the order. They're a good reliable company.
Stadler doesn't build long haul trainsets and, as both new regional rail projects get started and commuter/regional lines get electrified, they are likely going to be very busy as their KISS and FLIRT trainsets are perfect on those types of routes.
4:39 why.
Yes, these things are 70 years old but they hold memories to some people and it would be sad to see them go. Personally, I hope that these cars spread to museums across America and Canada with them hopefully retaining their original paint. I love the look and design on these historic cars.
I think VIA's The Canadian should retain its 1950s streamliner cars as they bring in attention from people who don't usually ride that train, while their other trains get new cars.
Certified Sonio Moment.
It sure is nice to see og lakey music being used xd
certified hood classic
@@WorldwideRailfan better than his new music at least
Lmao xD
@@WorldwideRailfan You forgot to mention the Collegedale, Tennessee train derailment.
In regards to the MBTA, honestly they should just electrify the whole Worcester line and use it as a starting point for the East West Rail. It’ll never happen, but im trying to be optimistic
Unfortunately the state has already managed to make east-west rail way more bureaucratic and convoluted than it should be… and currently it’s proposed as a diesel Amtrak route which makes it all the more baffling
@@toadscoper4575 it’s not a massachusetts infrastructure project if it’s not already kneecapped from the beginning. Won’t lie, considering it’s in my area, I have thought about going to one of those public forums and grilling the commission on why the state can’t do a better rail system than the BeeLiner in the 1950s with RDCs. They could do the Springfield-Boston run in 2 hours back then!
Anyone gonna bring up g&w scrapping desiels?
Amtrak is also planning on replacing the Viewliner IIs with the new long distance order, you missed that part.
It isn’t planed other than new coaches. Most of the new sleeping cars, diners, lounge and baggage cars have already entered service on the eastern long distance trains. The Amfleet cars used for coach are in the planning stage to be replaced.
@@johnchambers8528 They're looking to replace everything, look here: media.amtrak.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/ATK-23-015-RFI-for-LD-Trains-1.pdf
At 4:02 is that ALC-42 actually running or is it just there for display?
display
@@syeet1234 then why did it have amfleets behind it
Will the Downeaster be Electric?
Would Amtrak be able to contract with CRRC to make rolling stock for their long distance lines if there's issues with other companies?
CRRC, the USA wants quality, not scrap. They should order from Siemens. Done.
I like Light Rail is coming to Queens & Brooklyn however I would have preferred S-Bahn type service to & from The Bronx, Queens & Brooklyn. Let's see if Light Rail service and expands to The Bronx, Manhattan & Staten Island. I don't like LIRR name to Grand Central. I would mind if Grand Central Terminal would apply for both Long Island Rail Road & Metro North Railroad. I prefer something similar to JFK & LaGuardia Airports Terminal 1-8 & A-D respectfully. Maybe Grand Central Terminal 1 for Metro North and Grand Central Terminal 2 for LIRR. At end of this Grand Central Madison will operate the same as Grand Central Terminal due Grand Central Madison has limited operation. I hope Amtrak and Canadian Rail chooses Japanese rail companies like Kawasaki, Hitachi and others.
I personally world like to see all of the LIRR electrified also. Can we also make the Oyster Bay Branch more competitive?
I hope that someone bases the design of the via cars loosely on the budd cars.
The park cars (tail cars) are too iconic for the Canadian to get rid of.
You forgot to mention the Collegedale, Tennessee train derailment.
The superliners desperately need an accessible replacement
If the Siemens venture cab coaches replace the F40 NPCUs, what will happen to said NPCUs?
Maybe maintenance of way
Scrap, that’s all they’re good for.
@@frostbyte3978 ngl, an F40 on the MOW trains sounds nice
@@the_autism_express Agreed!
I'll believe the IBX will be a thing once I'm already on the train ... and even then I'm not sure I'll be convinced.
And that elevated LRT plan seems like the worst possible. I'd rather they just buy FRA DMUs and run them on the Bay Ridge and Lower Montauk branches.
The DMUs are a good idea! That way, MTA won't have to stack lines on other lines!
@@SleepTrain456 Thank you. I should see when there are meetings. Or maybe I should just call my reps.
Fairmount Line should be subway or regional rail, not commuter rail.
A new bill proposed today would spin the existing commuter rail into a new regional rail agency for all lines except Fairmount which would be turned into a rapid transit line
I sure hope Amtraks new long distance cars will not be single level
Likely will be both bilevels and single level cars used like they are now. If Amtrak went all single level it would require costly modifications to the station platforms due to the trains having to be longer and in some places like Denver union station a longer platform is impossible.
@Mason I meant for western routes. I don't mind single levels on the eastern routes because they can do their job but for the western routes? No
I hope so too! Imagine if lines like the _Southwest_ _Chief_ or the _Sunset_ _Limited_ ran with single-level coaches! Then, the trains would be too long! Hence, I assume that any new single-level car order would be for the eastern routes, not the western routes!
I'm still waiting on 288 mph bullet train run in the United States
That would be cool but probably won’t happen for a while
You keep saying that Brightline's extension is at "125mph". But it's literally only a tiny 20 mile section of 125mph track out of the more than 235 mile overall Brightline route. If a dish is less than 10% sandwich and more than 90% manure, do you still classify that as a sandwich?
Most of the extension could run at 110mph, if and only if they can get the approval to run at that speed with Brightline's atrocious safety record. But if they keep crushing a car per week for the foreseeable future that even that might not happen!
Brightline is the only interesting rail news in the US…
Lol, you're still trying to shill your corporate propaganda for Brightline? Lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣
IBX LRT is so stupid
I'm quite a railfan myself, yet I must admit that you make a good point! If I were one of the MTA guys, I would have, at the very least, used DMUs instead of EMUs for the IBX. After all, that would allow for both IBX and freight trains to run on the same line _without_ needing to build an electric line over the current line. That's exactly what San Bernardino did with their _Arrow_ last year, and what Texas is doing with the current TEXRail and future Silver Line! Why isn't MTA thinking of using this cost-saving method?
@@SleepTrain456 It's not cheaper! We can use a side track for freight to allow for them to (mostly) use the same line. Electric is cheaper in the long run, and the MTA committed to using electric for whatever mode they'd use. Everyone would trash a DMU regional rail in NYC, and electric commuter rail and freight CAN mix.
@@collectivelyimprovingtrans2460 Thanks for the feedback! Now that you mention it, there isn't much diesel in NYC!
Also, you're right! Not only can electric commuter rail mix with diesel freight rail, but it already does! Just ask the New York and Atlantic Railway: it is a freight railroad operating on LIRR tracks!
Maybe the LIRR could just run passenger trains on the Bay Ridge Branch. After all, that's just what they did until 1924. Thanks for the idea!
For more information, if anyone here is curious: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_and_Atlantic_Railway and en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Ridge_Branch
IBX LRT is so stupid