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The Palestinians are descendants of the Canaanites. Although they speak Arabic. And the name of their country comes from Greek. They are Canaanites. ua-cam.com/video/bCn6v8X0Ebk/v-deo.htmlsi=Ora4wfr7AccmJjPj
I am curious about your training procedure for these videos. For the debaters, are you fine-tuning the public pre-trained versions of these models at all? Or simply prompting it to assume the role you want to give it with no additional training or parameter changes? If you are fine tuning, how do you curate the data with which to fine tune? This could have quite some biasing effect if the data is somehow partial to one side or the other (which is always the case to some extent). Super interesting concept, thanks for the videos!
i just with i new googles AI "trigger words" in their speech censorship algorithm. so hard to be even discuss things honestly anymore on most sites, X being one of the few now. I even been banned for just quoting the Quran when someone challenged a particularly nasty sura existed, just copy pasted and they reported me for making them look silly. smh. it hasn't got much better since.
I unironically like it, fire asf. And i believe that at least half of people hating on it are only doing so because it became widely acceptable to insult pineapple on pizza.
@@chiaseedpudding3463 First of all, no, they didn’t. Throughout most of history, they referred to that land as Israel. When they called it Palestine, do you know why? Do you know why the Greeks referred to it as Palestine? 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
@@chiaseedpudding3463 Ancient Greeks called the Gaza area Palestin based on Hebrew Plishtim meaning Philistin because that was the territory where Philistines originally settled. This is why Romans in an attempt to cancel the Jewish roots renamed the area into Palestina and because they gave the administration to one of their main centers in the area - Damascus, it was known as Syria-Palestina.
The Palestinians are descendants of the Canaanites. Although they speak Arabic. And the name of their country comes from Greek. They are Canaanites. ua-cam.com/video/bCn6v8X0Ebk/v-deo.htmlsi=Ora4wfr7AccmJjPj
"This Land is Mine!" said the Neanderthals, Natufians, Canaanites, Ancient Egyptians, Assyrians, Israelites, Babylonians/Persian Empire, Greeks/Macedonians, Ptolemaic Egyptians, Seleucid Empire, Hebrews, and Maccabees, Romans, Mu'mins, Byzantines/Sassanids, Arab Caliphs, Crusaders, Mamluk Egyptians, Ottoman Turks, Arabs, Europeans, Palestinians, and Jews/Zionists.
Here is the difference : Christians and Jews co-exist with muslims, BUT muslims WILL NOT co-exist with Jews and Christians : The Worst of all creatures Sura 98:6 “Indeed, those who disbelieve from the People of the Book(Christians and Jews) and the polytheists will be in the Fire of Hell, to stay there forever. They are the worst of all creatures” Violence in quran sunan an-nasa’i 4059 - The messenger of allah said : “Whoever changes his religion, kill him”
STOP confusing ETHNICITY like Europeans with RELIGION like JUDAISM. Eg., ETHNIC Europeans of ISRAEL can't claim AFRICAN or ARABIAN land of PALESTINE based on their RELIGIOUS beliefs. Based on that logic every Zorastrian or IDOL WORSHIPPERS can claim every country regardless of their ETHNICITY. PALESTINE belongs to ARABIAN JEWS, CHRISTIANS , MOSLEMS. European Jews belong in EUROPE.
Afghani here. Like everybody knows, Afghanistan was once Buddhist, Taliban destroyed those huge buddha statues. most buddhist left Afghanistan. If you ask me if they are ever allowed to come back to their ancient ground, the answer is pretty simple: of course This whole Middle Eastern conflict is so stupid.
@@Andromedon777ISIS and others like the Taliban have been scrubbing world UNESCO sites. There's footage of them blowing up Buddha statues somewhere. The world news simply doesn't care about religious crimes anymore and even try to not cover such things
I thought the pro-palestine AI was going to have the stronger argument in the second round, but then it immediately went "Palestinian law treated jews as second class citizens and oppressed them with extra taxes." Pro-Iseael soundly won all 3 rounds.
Very interesting. Never seen an AI debate before. I couldn't help but notice that the pro-Palestine AI was kind of flip flopping between arguments... First arguing that the Israelite statehood did not negate the right of the earlier native groups, making an earlier occupancy argument. Then went on to argue that the displacement of the Israelites and their replacement with an Arab majority gave the Arabs legitimacy over the Israeli claims. Then switched once again, arguing that the displacement of the Arabs and their replacement with a Jewish majority is what undermines the Israeli claims. To me, this inconsistency and double standard, which ironically is consistent with most pro-Palestinian arguments I've heard, is what lost the pro-Palestine side the debate...
Well it does make sense the AI is fed pro Palestinian arguments and talking points, so we would make sense that the same inconsistencies that pro Palestinians have would transfer over to the AI.
@@adielcohen4048 Your name is Cohen 🤣I'm Latin American, but from the outside looking in I'm sure Father Abraham dressed and acted more like a nomadic Bedouin than a fedora tipper with glasses from Brooklyn and Eastern Europe.
@@davidmays8974 I mean the only criticism I have of the pro Israeli AI is the fact that he didn't just call out the pro Palestinian AI out when he randomly started talking about the Canaanites as if they were the Palestinians and diverted the conversation from a Palestine versus Israel into Israelites versus Canaanites.
I don't understand why the pro-palesinian AI is claiming Palestinians to be the Caananites in the first 1/3rd of the debate? Jews, whether they like it or not, stemmed from the Caananites
The PS: A.I. seems to just spew some general narrative with a few more fancy words and sophisticated word salad. Never really awnsering the counterclaim or reflecting on the things they said that contradicted itself or would equally advocate for the opposition.
Cause the genetic studies of the modern palastinians show they half canaanits Maybe jews was a group of canaanits that rebelled against the rest but the biblical acounts adress them as foreign migrants
It's conceivable that a people who lived in the region a few thousand years ago would have descendants spread all over the various populations living in the region now.
Well that’s because the closest people to ancient Israelites are Palestinian and Jordanian Christians, and while, yes they are closely related to the Canaanites as well, the closest ethnic group to the Ancient Canaanites is the Samaritans.
Did the Pro-Palestinian AI just claim Palestinians as Canaanites? Let's be real, the overwhelming majority of "Palestinians" didn't come from the Levant, they came from the Arabian Peninsula and/or Egypt and speak Arabic.
@@Me-pt7ik apples and oranges, the French had their own established cultures, monarchies and empires, while Palestine is a region that is claimed to be an "identity" in the 20th century by some Arabs living in it.
@@Me-pt7ik Jews historically started in the land, Palestinians came later, developed their own identity over time, but did not originate in the levant.
The Palestinians are descendants of the Canaanites. Although they speak Arabic. And the name of their country comes from Greek. They are Canaanites. ua-cam.com/video/bCn6v8X0Ebk/v-deo.htmlsi=Ora4wfr7AccmJjPj
No? Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure the Jews came from Egypt not Canaan and Canaan is literally a Levantine Tribe, just like Palestinians surprise surprise
@@MessengerOfTheMessagein the first part of the debate the Palestine AI said the Canaanite’s were Palestinian and not Jew. Most of the pre diasporic Jewish population was Canaanite. Arabs can’t have more pre Israeli Levantine ancestry than Jews themselves because they come from Arabia.
Very biased. It’s obvious what atrocities are occurring in Palestine, but perhaps the actual sources these AI’s get their information from is heavily restricted
I know right 🤣 because History & Archaeology are against the false narrative of the colonising, Islamic umah. In their dreams the Land of the Jews belong to them lol they keep making foo’s of themselves trying to justify lies. Jews aren’t innocent either in this conflict but one thing is true. The Land belongs to them. Can’t argue with the truth
@@oaktutor1154 or when someone realizes Al Jazeera and Hamas are both under the Muslim Brotherhood umbrella organization and aren't giving you anything remotely truthful and just Hamas propaganda they sometimes realize they been fooled by some of the most unsophisticated people and propaganda on earth.
the real answer is land belongs to whoever can defend their claim to it. right now thats isreal so its isreals land. their is no such thing as rightfull ownership of land that has been passed around a thousand times for a thousand years.
Agreed, if Arabs can claim all of North Africa and some parts of the Middle East, why can't Israel claim it when they're already controlling it and defended that land since 1948?
@ang5798 why? We are allowed to help our friends. But..... if Russia wins then it will be Russia until someone else takes it over (again) and remakes it to whatever they feel like and if they want to call it Ukraine they will
I haven't watched the whole video yet, but from the first part, I feel like they are missing an important question of whether "ancestral" claims means that people living now have any "right" to live on a certain piece of land.
If you want to go by law or warfare it's still Israel's right. The land was partitioned, they accepted it and a war was waged against them which they faught off.
Thank you for another amazing video. As an Israeli, I believe the ancient and medieval histories of Jews and Arabs are irrelevant. I hold no grudge for medieval Muslims holding my ancestors as Dimmni. At the end of the day, the UN. was faced with a taugh decision in 1947, and they decided that Arab nationalism should coexist alongside Jewish nationalism, to protect the Jewish survivors of persecutions and the holocaust. That is why my grandparents came here and why I was born here. If any Palestinian wishes to have two states sharing this land peacefully - I am all for it. But seeing reality ( I highly recommend Corey Gil Shuster's UA-cam videos), I am under the impression they don't want peaceful coexistence, so we hold our ground.
I’m confused why is Israel and Palestine a big deal? Why don’t people say anything about native Americans and America ? Isn’t it the same thing? Free the native americas ? Idk people pick and choose what to cry about I guess.
That's what i say too. The notion of "land ownership" is not a natural occurrence. It's a made up concept. The person who owns the land is the person that can convince everyone else that they own the land, through violence, diplomacy, or commerce.
Israel has to take money from USA and steal our uranium to make illegal nuclear bombs in order to “maintain power” they never really had. Which is why they lost their temple, their land, and got kicked out of every other place. The only power they have is manipulation typically through money lending.
Agree. Might is right... Honestly, the idea of a UN is stupid. The stronger countries should have the right to invade weaker ones This is why Europe should just cease Ukraine to Russia
@mr.y981 Fair enough, but being in the wrong doesn't make it any less true. Israel has its own military, borders, law, and population. It's a country, and it's their land as of right now.
Every country that has tried socialism has failed MISERABLY! Right now, capitalism is the only one that has stood the test of time and is, therefore the most sustainable in my opinion.
Capitalism is the worst economic system, except for every other economic system ever devised. I take slight exception with the term capitalism, however, because I believe it is too closely associated with that dead beat asshole Marx's debunked theories. I prefer the term free enterprise, and feel it is more accurate.
@@Orangejuiceandsandwichname a socialist country that has "failed" because of socialist policy and not because of extreme sanctioning and unrelated political unrest. The most developed nations on earth have socialist policies mixed in a capitalist market. The answer isnt one or the other entirely
@Orangejuiceandsandwich I'm not a commie but the USSR was the 2nd largest economy, greatly improving Russia's standards of living compared to before it, and Cuba was also pretty good until the collapse of the USSR, who's to say socialism is what caused the collapse. I am generally a capitalist, but a lot of good things come from not being hyper capitalist such as unions, weekends, 8 or 9 hour work days, holidays, no slavery, welfare systems and other efforts to help the lower and middle class
Some points that the AI's didn't cover (I'm Pro-Israel): 1. Despite being important to understand the initial roots of both peoples to the land, after thousands of years it's absolutely ridiculous to debate on who was the first occupant of the region. It's completely undeniable the presence of the Jews in the land, if not by all the arguments presented, by the fact the word Jew literally comes from Judea. The first mention to the word Palestine comes from the Romans, enemies of the Jews, that wanted to taunt their rivals by starting to call that land Palestine, after another enemy of the Jews, the Phillistines. 2. Just like the AI said, why there hasn't been any claims for a Palestinian state until the 19th century? I'll tell you why: For the same reason why most Arab countries' flags have identical colours and patterns. Middle Eastern Arab countries have been crawling with dictatorships, religious fundamentalism and oppression since the beginning of said religion. The Middle East itself has been the stage of many battles and conquests among Arabs. If they can't leave among each other, how would you think they would react when they are asked to coexist with such a foreign concept of a society has the one existing in Israel? 3. Israel constitutes around 1% of the Arab territory in the Middle East and surrounding regions. Make no mistake, this conflict is not about territory, it's about religion and beliefs. Israel represents the ONLY democracy in the Middle East. If Israel is attempting to commit ethincal cleansing, then this is without a doubt the biggest failure at a genocide in human history. Despite being a Jewish State, over a 1/5 of Israel's population is Arab. Said Arabs are completely integrated in society and have all the doors opened to make an honest and fruitful way of living, in a country that does not discriminate anyone over anything. Regarding what I said in this point, I want to say that I'm an European that has lived for a while in Israel and I saw it with my own eyes. Don't try to disprove what I said if you don't have your own self experience. 4. There's also a reason why no neighbouring countries opened their borders to Gaza civilians as refugees - Because even most of the so called "innocent civilians" are not so innocent as people might think. I wish I could pass my experience to western people, because Europeans and American do not understand that their idea of "civilian" is very different than the reality of Gaza civilians. You have videos on UA-cam, search for the celebrations in Gaza the moment Hamas terrorists came back with all the bodies and the hostages! We're not talking about chanting and clapping, we're talking about absolute euphoria, tears of joy and people celebrating like they just had won the lottery. We're talking about videos of children with guns shooting dead bodies of Jews because they truly hate the Jews from an early age, without even having a reason. Before all the hate I'm about to get, I want to make clear that at any point I denied the fact that there are indeed many innocent civilians that die in Gaza, but they are not as many as you think. 5. For people to use the number of deaths in Gaza as a given fact, it's an outstanding proof of how naive and/or ignorant people are. WAKE UP PEOPLE, read the source of the numbers. It's not the UN or the Red Cross or any other international agent. The source is the Ministry of Health of Gaza, aka Hamas. Seriously, when people come argue with me with the number of dead children like they themselves have been counting the bodies, I just want to smh... Now for real, do you have any idea how disfigured the bodies end up being after getting bombed? Do you think that the super advanced and highly trained profissionals of Gaza (sarcasm...) would be able to count, identify and classify hundreds of bodies every day? C'mon guys, I know the Western World does not know the aspects of war (thank God), but this is very obvious stuff... 6. Israel's government has, as any other sovereign country, the moral obligation of putting their people's needs above anyone else's. All of you people that never experienced the Israeli-Terrorism war have no idea how many rockets and drones were fired against Israel's residential areas, not to speak of the countless terror attacks in shopping malls and other events. Everyone that is so mad when Israel kills civilians should experience this to be able to understand how much undiscriminated violence and TERROR is displayed on truly innocent and decent people. If not for Israel's techonology and military power (defensively speaking), the death toll of Israeli civilians would be much larger than the one in Gaza, by far. 7. For anyone thinking "Israel solved the Palestinian issue with putting them in a dump and leaving them in poverty": A. In 2005, the Israeli government ORDERED the evacuation of the JEWS from Gaza and North Samaria, so that the land could be given to the Palestinians, in an attempt to finally put an end to the conflicts. This resulted in tens of thousands of people thrown on their asses into the streets by their own government so that Palestinians wouldn't cause more problems. B. Israel and Egypt supply water and electricity to Gaza, being responsible for the HealthCare of their literal enemies! Apart from that, Israel has done more for facilitating HealthCare, food and Medicine into Gaza during war than any other Middle East country ever would. But I guess that doesn't sound so cool on the news :) C. USA, multiple humanitarian organizations and ISRAEL have been funding Gaza for almost 20 years with monetary funds specifically designed to help the area grow and prosper. While being considered one of most (if not the most) radicalized and poor region in the world, one has to wonder where's all this money going towards. The answer is simple: Weapons, military logistics (like a complex underground tunnel system that even the best intelligence in the world (Mossad) can't completely figure out), training of rebels, and, of course, the payment of the UNRWA employees helping terrorism through UN. Btw, if you think all the weapons were being funded by Iran, then why are people in Gaza so poor? D. Until a certain point in time, Gaza civilians were free to enter and many of them would work in Israel, in order to reap out the beneficts of an actually thriving economy, then would go back to Gaza by the end of the day. Needless to say, the same was never possible for the Jewish Israelis (not that any Jewish person would ever want to go to Gaza). There's so much left to say, but it's good that the AI's are capable of understanding what we humans no longer are - that Terrorism is not resistance, Terrorists are not freedom fighters and that the Jews are indigenous to their ancestral land.
@arsalanph7 There are Sephardic as well. Lord R the child’s willed it through England, as the banking families were directly involved. Both zionists and the bad Germans were aiming for the same goals. Move them to the Levantine but that would need a disturbance to do so.both groups funded the new state that exists today.
Civilian is someone thats not currently not engaged into millitary act so targeting him don't have operational importance Even if this civilian are radicalised even retired soldiers are considered civilians also the people joy after oct 7 is not unique in human history jews was happy during Berlin getting bombed my the britts regardless of the Civilian casualties same goes to American while japan was nuked You must know that those people is so simple they don't know what happened in the field or who was those captive they know one thing isrealies hurt us so we hurt them back its not really religious radicalism or personal hatred and even if it was its understandable You want people to experience the life of isreali citizen But would you experience the life of palastinian citizen
Correct. If Jews living in Israel were to all convert to Islam, there would be no conflict. Well, then the conflict would be between the Shiites and the Sunnis. Lol. But the conflict is not about land which is what so many people get wrong.
Why do we even have to debate whose land it is? There are already large populations of both Palestinians and Israelis living in this land. Are we saying we will displace millions of people just because you have proven that you historically own this land? Just effin set aside your selfishness, pride and agree to divide the land.
This is a rare and wonderful debate. Each side kept to time, didn’t interrupt, shout slogans, make emotive inflammatory comments, and presented researched facts. This is so rare in this conflict.
30:10 SO YOU ADMIT IT! Seriously though this debate was over when the Palestinian AI claimed the land with blood ties despite the fact Israel set up the first kingdom and more importantly would have the same ancestral claim from blood, just to a more minute degree due to Jewish tragedies (aka holocaust)
The Israel AI didn’t even respond to the counter point that Hamas does not represent all Palestinian voices… and a concede that Hamas causes harm does not diminish the credence of Palestine AI’s arguments, anyone would be delusional to think that they are 100% correct with no room for nuance.
The Bible itself says Abraham had two sons, Isaac and Ishmael. Even if you think the connection between Ishmael and the Arabic people was "made up" by Muslims, you can't deny that Hebrew and Arabic are both Semitic languages. One of the most revered scholars of Judaism, Moses Maimonides, lived in Muslim Spain (Al-Andalus). The Bible tells us Abraham was a nomadic shepherd. Sounds like a Bedouin. If Father Abraham met a random Bedouin and a fedora tipper with glasses from Brooklyn, who would he recognize as his descendant? Let's give Abraham some mansaf and some matzah ball soup and see if he is more familiar with Arabic food or Eastern European food.
So what I get the Palestinians are the real descendants of the jew that converted to Islam and ones that came from Germany and Poland are not the people of the land
King Edward I kicked out the 🧃from England in 1290. They didn't come back until 1656 thanks to Oliver Cromwell. Shortly after England becomes a world power. British imperialism, unlike ancient imperialism, used joint-stock companies like the East India Company and the Royal African Company to do its work. Who does that benefit? And who's name is on the Balfour Declaration? Lord R0ths.child! So basically the British Empire and the United States were used as host bodies for endoparasites to achieve their plans.
I understand your stance, however i think you are failing to understand just how small this region is. In order to protect it's citizens effectively from october 7th like attacks israel has no choice but to act outside it's borders. In my opinoin, if there is a real threat on the lives of it's civilians, a country is justified and might even be obligated to eliminate it as a defnsive act.
@מידן-ע1כ Then does that mean you support the October 7th attack based on December 27th, 2019 attack carried out by the IDF on civilians where 200 died inside of Gaza? if not then you are like most zio-nazi. a pile of waking contradictions. Search, 2018-2019 Gaza border protest. Here lies the one of the few thousands of attacks on civilians by the IDF in the modern days, meaning I am still excluding the ones before 2000's. one should question himself when a well trained army is killing more civilians and using human shields than a terrorist organization like HAMAS. Yet here we are, not suprising considering kids in israel like to sing about sucking the blood of palestians women.
It appears even the AI model is trying to make a connection from the Philistine and Palestinians. This would be false. Philistines were of Greek ancestry. Also, modern Palestinians are not all from that area, mostly from Egypt and other Arab lands.
Bottom line is that the world has 49 Muslim majority countries, so the most discriminated group in human history deserves 1 tiny country the size of New Jersey to call home and avoid the patterns of discrimination they’ve faced over thousands of years.
bottom line is both deserve to live there. Your arguement suggests we remove all English people since the Britons deserve their own homeland and there's a bunch of other Germanic countries the English can go to
Interesting that the blue bot never brought up the fact that many Muslim's live inside of Israel with no issue, no Jews live inside of Hamas, or other Muslim controlled areas in the region without issue.
I'll just put it here - Yemen is a country with a population of ~30 million and about 10~ Jews. Not million or thousand, literally just 10. The country is run by the Houthi terror organization that has "Death to America and Israel and curse the Jews" written literally on their main Houthi flag. They hold mass protests in support of Hamas even though nobody there ever saw a Jew or an Israeli in their lives. This gives out Germany in the 30's.
It stuck to strictly making pro-Israel arguments, like it should. It never brought up many points that are not crucial to legitimising Israel, but strongly delegitimise Palestinian claim - like Israeli Arabs having full rights and living peacefully with Jews, Palestinian refugees being violent to the point of starting civil wars in nations that tried to host them, or the fact that if Palestine was to replace Isreal Middle East would lose the only free democracy, and gain a radical islamist fascist state.
@@aesop1451 ironically Spanish is a major subject in the US and I know a couple of Latinos who like Drake and Rihanna hell even a Brazilian mob boss offered personal protection for Michael Jackson because he was a huge fan of him during his tour
@@waludalu5102 Yeah, but if America annexed Mexico because of the cartels, and even if America made it safe and got rid of the cartels, a lot of Mexicans would be against annexation because they are proud of their culture.
This is why as a Filipino, to which my motherland of the Philippines has close relations not only to Israel but the majority of the arab world like Saudi Arabia. Support my country's policy on the matter, by advocating for a two state policy. We were one of the first to advocate for such an idea, and we won't back down on it. As outsiders and Christians we recognise the complexities of the situation just enough, so as to not be swayed by religious, political, and ethnic bias.
Christians and Jews co-exist with muslims, BUT muslims WILL NOT co-exist with Jews and Christians : The Worst of all creatures Sura 98:6 “Indeed, those who disbelieve from the People of the Book(Christians and Jews) and the polytheists will be in the Fire of Hell, to stay there forever. They are the worst of all creatures” Violence in quran sunan an-nasa’i 4059 - The messenger of allah said : “Whoever changes his religion, kill him”
Actually fun fact, the Philippine general that was to vote on the matter opposed the 2 state solution and a partition of "Palestine" but after a threat was made to the philipines by the US the vote was changed against his will. history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1947v05/d910 basically zionists threatened the Philippines to change their vote
You must not know what “Sharia” is. It’s an anti-Christian law which has suppression of Christianity built into it & it’s the basis for what you call Palestine & most of the Middle East. So no they (The Arabs) need to be deported to the other 20 somethings Arab states, their rule is a disgrace to the holy land. Only 2 state solution I support there would be the division of the land between Christians (The Real Jews) & those who consider themselves Jews today. The Arab Christians can stay the rest of the Arabs got to go.
So did Israel support a two state policy, the problem is, you can't really force a peace on the Palestinians, they're not interested in it. They will never give up on the right of return into proper Israel as Israeli citizens, causing a massive demographic shift, making Jews a minority in their own state, a minority to a predatory majority who will seek "revenge" on them, possibly exiling all of the Jews through democratic and majority rule means. Because of that, it's hypocritical to judge and blame Israel for the lack of peace, while Palestinians continuously showed unwillingness to compromise and peace where both Jews and Palestinians live alongside each other.
Here’s the thing tho. The Palestinians have never come to the table with their own proposal. Other than we want it all and you get nothing, which is a non starter. They never once counter offered any of the numerous Israeli proposals. Matter of fact when Arafat rejected the last offer he launched the second intafada killing scores of innocent Israeli civilians-which disincentivized Israel from further offers of statehood. Every offer has been rejected and met with violence. Which is why I believe this isn’t about land or statehood. It’s a religious war. Where was Palestinian “resistance” when Gaza was occupied by Egypt for 19 years? Or when Jordan occupied the West Bank for the same amount of time? You know why there wasn’t “resistance”? Because Egypt and Jordan are Muslim countries. If Israel were a muslim country there wouldn’t be a conflict. If it was about self determination and statehood they would’ve at least counter offered, but they didn’t. They just went right to violence. And it’s because Islam Hates Jews and us infidels, that’s the hard truth.
im at 3:04 and the crucial point they are missing that the early population that palestinian side refers to were fought with by islamist. How can you support your claims to the land by referring to cultures you have destroyed with islam?
Actually, according to the Canaanite origin theory, the Hebrews emerged from the broader Canaanite culture during the Late Bronze Age, sharing cultural similarities before forming their own distinct identity and monotheistic religion. This shows that Palestinians are not Canaanites, as their ancestry is a mix of different populations, including Arabs who arrived during the 7th-century Islamic conquests. While Palestinians, like other people from the Levant, may carry some Canaanite genetic admixture, they do not have a direct cultural or ethnic connection to the ancient Canaanites. The Canaanites as a distinct group no longer exist, having been absorbed by various civilizations over thousands of years. In contrast, modern Jews have a direct ancestral lineage to the ancient Israelites.
So the question is: "Does Israel belong to Israelites or Arabs?" 🤔 Let me think for a second, "Arabian Peninsula or Israel, where do Arabs live?", wow, this is "difficult". Too bad we can't use sound logic and history to determine who's ancestral land it is 😕
Arabs in palestine aren't the same as the arabs in the arabian peninsula. Arab refers to an an ethnicity and a langauge group. Palestinians aren't ethnically arab but speak arabic. Like how egyptians or moroccans are arabs but moroccan.
HAHAHA, you're username is COEN...8677 and you expect us to believe you're just a neutral observer. Anyways, Genesis (or "Bereshit") 11-25 tells us what Abraham was like. He was a nomadic shepherd. It also says he had two sons, Isaac and Ishmael. Arabs say Ishmael is their ancestor, just like Jews say Isaac is their ancestor. Even if we suspect Muslims made this connection up, there is no denying that Hebrew and Arabic are both Semitic languages. The difference is that Ashkenazi Jews lived in Eastern Europe for several centuries. Ashkenazis make up 70% of the Jewish world, if not more...I mention this because I often hear, "What about the Mizrahi and the Sephardim?" as an argument. Who would Father Avraham recognize as his descendant: A random Bedouin or a fedora tipper with glasses from Brooklyn and Eastern Europe? Yes, it's true you have DNA that goes back to the Levant, I'm not denying that. The rest of the world is just shocked about how you treat your cousins.
@aesop1451 Coen is of Dutch origins lol it means brave, unlike the Hebrew Cohen, which means priest. Also, I'm genetically Norman, so Viking. Know what you're talking about. And just because a Jew defends their point of the argument, doesn't make their arguments invalid. That's a fallacious way of thinking. Also, God gave that land to the Israelites and He said they will return to it before the end times. Who are you to deny this? Be silent, antisemite.
What most people don't understand is that it doesn't matter whose rightful land it is and who has a better claim. At the end of the day Israel holds it by military might (ie Right of Conquest) which all those who came before them used including Arabs. So unless they can be militarily defeated, all these debates are useless. But defeating them is really unrealistic since they even have nukes now. So at the end of the day a diplomatic two state solution remains the only realistic one.
With that logic, considering Palestine rejects defeat, they should all be exiled from the West Bank and Gaza strip, considering their objection to peace talks and a want to compromise on the right of return
The only problem with a two state solution is that it's not a solution. It's the problem. It's what the Palestinians are fighting against. Many people see the two states concept as a compromise between the two sides, but it's actually a victory for Israel and a defeat for the Palestinians... Because Israel's main objective is to exist, and Palestine's main objective of to have all of Palestine under Arab Muslim rule.
At the end of the day, having Jews in the region is not the issue at all. It’s that they’re backed by imperial powers who want to control more resources globally, and they don’t care that the Jewish population are the ones getting their hands dirty. I wish it could just be like the Vatican where it’s non-military and shared between Palestinians, 1948 refugees, and Jewish people, and that could lead to a natural co existence with Jews and Arabs.
What happens tomorrow if America pulls out of the Middle East cold turkey and provides 0 funding for this country? If they really hold it "through military might" why does Bibi keep giving speeches at our Congress? Why do we allow AIPAC to operate with impunity?
This is NOT about people with a bigger stick. This is about AI giving us answers through history and world knowledge. It has nothing to do with who is occupying now. Christians and Jews co-exist with muslims, BUT muslims WILL NOT co-exist with Jews and Christians : The Worst of all creatures Sura 98:6 “Indeed, those who disbelieve from the People of the Book(Christians and Jews) and the polytheists will be in the Fire of Hell, to stay there forever. They are the worst of all creatures” Violence in quran sunan an-nasa’i 4059 - The messenger of allah said : “Whoever changes his religion, kill him”
I’m gonna say something super unpopular but this argument isn’t who deserves to live in Israel but what to do with the Arab Palestinians living there. The Jews aren’t leaving without starting a third world war so now where do the Palestinians go? It’s a binary choice either Jews or Muslims live in the holy land not both. So I’ll ask again, where should the Arabs that don’t want to become Israelis go?
How could Arabs have more Pre-Israeli Levantine ancestry than Jews themselves? They came from Arabia? Whereas pre diaspoic Jewish populations were mostly Caananite even if that makes Jews themselves mad
@@monkeypie8701 The majority of modern arabs are not an original arabs When islamic conquest spread around the middle east all the original habitants were forced to learn arabic even arab jews So yeah arabism is more likely a tongue than a race
Actually the AI used a misconception. Some Palestinians actually have Canaanite DNA, and for some reason the AI interpreted that as the Palestinians were the Canaanites and eventually in the first part he accidentally descended into a Canaanites versus Israelites debate. The thing is the Palestinians weren't Canaanites they only have some DNA from them because of cross breeding between Canaan and the arab peninsula, I'm guessing the AI glitched or something and accidentally went off topic, I also think the Pearl Israel AI did not have the ability to just say he's wrong as I think they were only programmed to present their own side based on what the other AI said without the ability to just say that one side is wrong or that one side is when somewhere else. I'd say ignore the first part, or just take it as a Canaanite versus Israelite debate, which is wildly useless
Because Palestinians aren’t actually technically Arabs. They’re Levenites who got Arabised, some of them are actually as Jewish as other Jews are genetically.
The Canaanites were converted and forced to learn Arabic. This is such a simple concept that It baffles me when people act as though every single "Arab" has an ancestor in the Arabian peninsula. Do you think Arabia had nearly enough of a population to wipe out the entirety of North Africa, Mesopotamia, The Levant, Sudan, and replace them all with pure blooded Arabs?
This is pretty biased. Arab israeli war? Agaisnt overwhelming odds? The israrlites use all of britishamerican support and those arab nations you are talking about were not willing to give away their land.
I know the video will make me feel sane and the comments will make me want to scream also LOVE your content thank you pls keep doing these sorts of topics
It would be interesting after the debate concludes, to ask each AI debater to forget their previous role as an advocate for one of the sides, and ask them what side they think is now correct.
each AI debater is made up of a team of AIs (Claude 3.5, Gemini 2, ChatGPT 01, Grok 2) collaborating to create questions and answers. thanks for the question.
It was hardly forced displacement. Somehow those Arabs who chose to stay put, became Israeli citizens, instead of being forced to relocate to refugee camps. Israeli Arabs have more freedom, more rights, and higher standard of living than any Palestinian state would ever offer to its population.
Israel has a better claim over the land today granted that they were given the land 80 years ago. You’d have to oppose all colonization globally to oppose that. To return Israel to Arabs would be akin to returning America to the Indians. However, the conversation about Israel and its influence in American politics, ethnic cleansing of Gazans, and global consequences of the Mossad is worth having. Moreover, a rational U.S would wield authority over Israel proportionate to the foreign aid and protection we provide them.
The only thing is Israel keeps taking more and more land and you get a tit for tat. British sell the same rug to two people they fight so israel takes more land arabs mad that israel took more land fight israel takes more land and so on
not even that since jews are native to israel. Palestinian culture is arab culture. and arabs come the Arabian peninsula (saudi arabia today). most palestinians today are also descendants of people who immigrated to the land around the time zionist jews immigrated/took refuge. many of them still have surnames of cities or countries in the surrounding area
No, returning Israel to the Arabs is not the same as returning America to the Indians. When America became independent in 1776, it was effectively "on its own." It's actually quite offensive to compare the Christian American pioneers that built America to Israel. The Founding Fathers did not achieve independence through subterfuge and terror. You cannot dispute the receipts (the King David Hotel incident for example). America "allowed itself" to get involved in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, and Syria. President Eisenhower had a great relationship with the Arab world. After 1963 America lost its way. Is America not manly enough to break free? Is America not Christian enough? In Singapore, Chinese, Malays, and Indians get along fine. America should protect the Holy City, that's it. We will need to deradicalize them. First, we should teach them what John the Baptist said: "God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones." This means people should be judged on the actions they take, not what race their mother was. Second, we should strongly affirm that as long as a Christian state exists on the face of the Earth we will not allow the Third Temple to be rebuilt.
The Arabs are the invaders, there is no "returning" to invaders, and they are not analogous to native Americans because they aren't native. Returning Israel to the Jews is a better comparison, since they are the indigenous population and the land is rich with their culture and history.
The Jews Got exiled from their land because of imperialism when the Jews regained the right to return home marks the end of imperialism as we would see for the next 50 or so years countries occupied by imperialists and Colonialists would start to withdraw from these territories, at least some of them. Obviously not the larger countries such as Australia, United States, Canada and big parts of the middle and South America.
It's the people who are meant to be held as sacred not the land. No one cares about the land except the people, so the sacred is with the people not the land.
Thanks for making this video. ❤ very good to see things objectivity. Some left to be desired, such as, ignore the Arab migration into Israel in the 1900. The eradication of malaria by the jews, the tension between the ottoman and the Arabs, the automatic association with Arab - Muslim - Palestinian All and all. Good job. Looking for 2nd iteration 😅
The answer is no, plain and simple. The Bible is pretty clear on homosexuality being an abomination, and men practicing homosexuality not being admitted into heaven.
Please do so, it would be interesting. I love debating but I'm not good at it at all, and there videos help me slowly improve, without having to find people to debate with.
@Minorskillissue it's not too confusing. basically, someone who is homosexual isn't like a bad thing, but acting on them, so like dating, marrying, or doing the thing with a person the same sex as you is a bad thing and is not permissible
I've said it before. Your bravery to let the truth come out is admirable. And as you see, it didn't take long to get straight to the heart of the problem. It brought up war and slavery but only briefly. The one thing it still assumes is a consistent and distinct identity, religion, and culture throughout history. It allows the argument to be accepted on the grounds of identity when that line was blurred through war and historic events to begin with. Are we allowed to academically ask, is Israeli and Israelite the same people, is Palestine and Philestine the same? And if not, how does that factor?
Obviously if you do your history you will know Palestine is, was and always will be Jewish land. The Jews lived in modern day Palestine for thousands of years before the Arab invaders annexed it. Before that, Israel was apart of the Roman Empire and when they tried rebelling against the empire they were expelled from their land and forced to migrate to different places. As for the name Palestine, it is derived from the name Philistine which was a hostile group of people who migrated to Israel and their name literally means hostile. Then about 600 years later the Arabs took Palestine and settled it. Arabs never lived in Israel (at least not in great multitudes) until Muhammad colonised the Christian Middle East and subjugated any remaining Jews and Christians who wouldn't convert or didn't become slaves. The Palestinians are on stolen land. The "we were promised that land 3000 years ago" argument doesn't work when the Jews were living there already.
1:06 already, this time period Israel nor Palestine existed. It was called Jerusalem and there’s debate whether or not Jews are actually the same as the Hebrew who are the owners of the land.
Palestine outright opposed partition, advocating for a single democratic state(London Conference of 1946-1947), hard to propose alternatives to something you fundamentally reject. This is an L video.
Christians and Jews co-exist with muslims, BUT muslims WILL NOT co-exist with Jews and Christians : The Worst of all creatures Sura 98:6 “Indeed, those who disbelieve from the People of the Book(Christians and Jews) and the polytheists will be in the Fire of Hell, to stay there forever. They are the worst of all creatures” Violence in quran sunan an-nasa’i 4059 - The messenger of allah said : “Whoever changes his religion, kill him”
Indigeneity is a non-factor without a time frame. If you're going to go that route, how far back are you going to go? According to the history that is taught, everything, everywhere on planet Earth should be ceded to Africa.
The Pro Palestine seems to be unable to produce a truly valid point so it just reverts to humanitarian concerns of the Palestinians rather than addressing Palestinian violence and unwillingness for a peace process or Hamas, which is clearly unjustifiable
20:18 inaccurate. idk what the ai's source is, but the local palestinian arabs first started a war that was waged for around half a year before the other arab states joined..
Well there's not much to say about the other part of the video. The first part used an incorrect misconception and seemingly try to argue that the Palestinians are Canaanites which is incorrect, on top of the fact that the pro-israel AI ignored the fact that the Israelites came from the Canaanites. The reason people are talking about it is because of the fact that something went wrong there. The other two parts are great
But nobody wants to talk about the fact that those people in Israel claiming to be the descendants of Jacob aren't his true descendants so they dont have real claims to that land at all huh 👀🙄😮💨
I wonder how an AI would answer the question: Does a 3rd generation American from New York of Italian descent have the right to go to London and grasp ownership of Edgeware Rd and evict the current inhabitants of it... using the claim that his Roman ancestors built London in 47 CE and that the New Yorkers of non-Roman descent discriminate against him?
This could apply to the Palestinian side as well Right now the region has Jewish majority and Palestinian Organisations like hamas or Palestinian jihad have that same argument that killing and kicking Jewish civilian is right because the land is theirs And while i understand what you try to say you did left out how the "kicking out" only happened as a result of a war started by the Palestinian leaders at the time. If both sides accepted the partition plan there wouldn't be any displacement and there would be peaceful co existence on both sides
@@itslook_just_exists ... if someone comes to your house and takes over 3/4 of it do you say that now 3/4 of your house belongs to him and he is the owner of that 3/4... and do you accept a deal of him taking over 3/4 of your house and you blame yourself if he takes over the REST of the house because you tried to take back your house and did not accept the deal??? To go back to the New Yorker... do you think the inhabitants of London should just accept him taking over and just leave their houses and apartments and just give up? Do you blame them for not accepting the take over and say they deserve to lose the rest of London because they resisted the occupation by the New Yorker of Roman descent?
@@suelingsusu1339 if we are speaking in the house metaphor if the landlord (Britain in that tim) decides to kick you out and let someone else live there and you try to kill the person moving in you would probably lose the rights to live there because you will go to jail But ofcs the house metaphor is not applicable to the conflict I can understand why the Palestinians felt the way they felt but trying to lunch a war to kick all the Jews out is also horrible Both jews and Palestinians have a claim to the land that's why the partition plan was proposed representing the situation as the land only belonging to one side is obviously false If both sides keep trying to argue over which one is the "real" owner instead of accepting that the other side won't leave and just coexist we will never see peace in that region Even if you disagree with how Israel was created its still there and simply destroying it will only cause more problems
Israel has been around far longer than the first kingdoms of the Israelites but not 5,000 years. Jewish people have been in Israel for at least 3,500 - 4,200 years according to most academics, ever since Abraham (who was born in Urfa and moved to Harran when his father took his family there) took his family to Canaan at some point around 2,100 BCE - 2,060 BCE (some give more specific dates like 2,066 BCE), and there is a lot of archaeological evidence to prove it. Some academics point to evidence that Abraham lived closer to around 1,830 BCE to 1,600 BCE and moved to Canaan at some point during that time. Either way, it's roughly 3,500 - 4,200 years ago, but not 5,000 years. Jews are without question the people who have the longest living connection to the land of Israel. Many Arabs have Jewish DNA because many Jews were forced to convert to Islam over the last roughly 14 centuries since Mohamed created Islam and started forcing Jews to convert to his new religion. That is why Jews and Arabs are in many ways truly like brothers and sisters, because in many cases we stem from the same family tree, at a DNA level. Even Islamic Arabs and other Muslims from the time of Mohamed and all the way through British Mandate Palestine, have physically recognized and established that Israel is the land of the Jews. They have made art and coins and written literature for centuries literally dating back to the Koran itself, that makes it 100% undeniable that they stated and belief as a tenet of their faith, that Israel is the land of the Jews. Mohamed himself wrote certain parts of the Koran in certain ways in order to appeal to Jews to convert to Islam. And when it failed, he went all Jihadi on them and proceeded to do violence against the Jews in horrible ways until the end of his life. And all the while, he never denied that Israel is where the Jews are from and that Israel is the Jewish homeland.
Modern israelis aren't even the descents of those made up million year ancestral claims lmao. If africans converts to jew do they have rights on palestine aswell bc of that 5000yrs bold claim?
"I'd have to say - y'know, I'm not sure. I mean, I don't think it's quite so 'black and white'. It's more... black and grey. Hell, grey and grey, y'know? No one side can be held accountable for the bloodshed here. No one action got us where we are now. I dunno. What can we do? Just... double-down on our efforts. Heal the wounds... And the folks here in Oreokastro? They're the ones that've suffered." "This is the reality." "This is war." - Nathan MacDade
The Israel you mention today are the boat people and refugees from Europe not the Israel you mention in the ancient inscriptions. Even Jesus himself was a person of Middle Eastern blood, the same blood as the Palestinians today.
@CeoDiez you can just consider it as negotiating tactics. If the Palestinian keep that Israel should not exist as first objective. They might ending to be assimilate into Jordan and eygpt History does not offer a do over.
It's a non issue because only Israel signed the treaty. It's all Israel's land being the Arabs refused. Not to mention who do most westerners want in control of the Middle East, Jews or Muslims? The Jews won't kill us
The Palestinians are descendants of the Canaanites. Although they speak Arabic. And the name of their country comes from Greek. They are Canaanites. ua-cam.com/video/bCn6v8X0Ebk/v-deo.htmlsi=Ora4wfr7AccmJjPj
I think it should also be added that the Al Aksa mosque is the 3rd most holy site in Islam whereas the temple mount is the most holy site in Judaism. And any split control solution giving the Al Aksa mosque to the Muslims, giving the dome of the rock to the Jew, and the has been denied. Keep in mind, the dome of the rock is not the 3rd most holy site, but rather the Al Aksa mosque.
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No matter what ethnicity lived there first. Genocide is still wrong. Love peace ❤
The Palestinians are descendants of the Canaanites. Although they speak Arabic. And the name of their country comes from Greek. They are Canaanites.
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@@JonOleksiuk can you do a video on a Christian view of whether or not homosexuality is a sin or not? Thanks!
I am curious about your training procedure for these videos. For the debaters, are you fine-tuning the public pre-trained versions of these models at all? Or simply prompting it to assume the role you want to give it with no additional training or parameter changes?
If you are fine tuning, how do you curate the data with which to fine tune? This could have quite some biasing effect if the data is somehow partial to one side or the other (which is always the case to some extent). Super interesting concept, thanks for the videos!
@al.ushrabi Stop spamming that
Im sure the comments will be civil, logical, and be a home of decent and gentlemanly debate😶
Good day to you sir
We all know why we clicked lol
It's actually quite civil in here. AI has decided. Nice to meet you Jimmy
i just with i new googles AI "trigger words" in their speech censorship algorithm. so hard to be even discuss things honestly anymore on most sites, X being one of the few now. I even been banned for just quoting the Quran when someone challenged a particularly nasty sura existed, just copy pasted and they reported me for making them look silly. smh. it hasn't got much better since.
Absolutely. After all, what is the youtube comment section if not a haven for those who refrain from crass ad hominem, and sophomoric rebuttals?
Pinapple on Pizza debate please
That's actually a bad idea
All the AIs who would defend the pineapples on pizzas would automatically be banned on Italy 😂
Pinapples were on pizzas for thousands of years indicated my the "Menu" stele.
pineapple goes on pizza, it also goes in salsa
@@ThePendulum-d6j which to worship, god emperor of mankind or chaos gods debate lol
I unironically like it, fire asf. And i believe that at least half of people hating on it are only doing so because it became widely acceptable to insult pineapple on pizza.
The area wasn’t known as Palestine until named later by Rome as a slap in the face. Even then, a Palestine wasn’t a people but rather an area.
Exactly. and it was fully named Syria-Palaestina (renamed from Judaea) after suppressing a Jewish revolt against an unjust Roman ruler and exile.
@hunkerdown8045 Do you bother thinking for a minute before typing things? Ancient Greeks called it Palestine too.
@@chiaseedpudding3463 First of all, no, they didn’t. Throughout most of history, they referred to that land as Israel. When they called it Palestine, do you know why? Do you know why the Greeks referred to it as Palestine? 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂
@@chiaseedpudding3463 it still was an area lol
@@chiaseedpudding3463 Ancient Greeks called the Gaza area Palestin based on Hebrew Plishtim meaning Philistin because that was the territory where Philistines originally settled. This is why Romans in an attempt to cancel the Jewish roots renamed the area into Palestina and because they gave the administration to one of their main centers in the area - Damascus, it was known as Syria-Palestina.
You know theres a lot of bias involved when an AI can't make a good argument.
Yeah so is very biased to Jewish people
What
@@lildrill You know theres a lot of bias involved when an AI can't make a good argument.
@@martiendejong8857 real
The Palestinians are descendants of the Canaanites. Although they speak Arabic. And the name of their country comes from Greek. They are Canaanites.
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"This Land is Mine!" said the Neanderthals, Natufians, Canaanites, Ancient Egyptians, Assyrians, Israelites, Babylonians/Persian Empire, Greeks/Macedonians, Ptolemaic Egyptians, Seleucid Empire, Hebrews, and Maccabees, Romans, Mu'mins, Byzantines/Sassanids, Arab Caliphs, Crusaders, Mamluk Egyptians, Ottoman Turks, Arabs, Europeans, Palestinians, and Jews/Zionists.
Here is the difference :
Christians and Jews co-exist with muslims, BUT muslims WILL NOT co-exist with Jews and Christians :
The Worst of all creatures
Sura 98:6 “Indeed, those who disbelieve from the People of the Book(Christians and Jews) and the polytheists will be in the Fire of Hell, to stay there forever. They are the worst of all creatures”
Violence in quran
sunan an-nasa’i 4059 - The messenger of allah said : “Whoever changes his religion, kill him”
STOP confusing ETHNICITY like Europeans with RELIGION like JUDAISM. Eg., ETHNIC Europeans of ISRAEL can't claim AFRICAN or ARABIAN land of PALESTINE based on their RELIGIOUS beliefs. Based on that logic every Zorastrian or IDOL WORSHIPPERS can claim every country regardless of their ETHNICITY. PALESTINE belongs to ARABIAN JEWS, CHRISTIANS , MOSLEMS. European Jews belong in EUROPE.
That video still slaps
Don't forget the Angel of Death
@@nigelnecroz7028Which video is the reference?
Afghani here. Like everybody knows, Afghanistan was once Buddhist, Taliban destroyed those huge buddha statues. most buddhist left Afghanistan. If you ask me if they are ever allowed to come back to their ancient ground, the answer is pretty simple:
of course
This whole Middle Eastern conflict is so stupid.
Interesting. I didn't know this
Did the Buddhist left more than one millenial ago ?
Me too… I didn’t know Afghanistan was majority bhudist… hectic.
@@Andromedon777ISIS and others like the Taliban have been scrubbing world UNESCO sites. There's footage of them blowing up Buddha statues somewhere. The world news simply doesn't care about religious crimes anymore and even try to not cover such things
If people would study history this wouldn't be that unknown. ISIS and the Taliban have destroyed UNESCO sites
I thought the pro-palestine AI was going to have the stronger argument in the second round, but then it immediately went "Palestinian law treated jews as second class citizens and oppressed them with extra taxes." Pro-Iseael soundly won all 3 rounds.
Very interesting. Never seen an AI debate before.
I couldn't help but notice that the pro-Palestine AI was kind of flip flopping between arguments... First arguing that the Israelite statehood did not negate the right of the earlier native groups, making an earlier occupancy argument. Then went on to argue that the displacement of the Israelites and their replacement with an Arab majority gave the Arabs legitimacy over the Israeli claims. Then switched once again, arguing that the displacement of the Arabs and their replacement with a Jewish majority is what undermines the Israeli claims.
To me, this inconsistency and double standard, which ironically is consistent with most pro-Palestinian arguments I've heard, is what lost the pro-Palestine side the debate...
Well it does make sense the AI is fed pro Palestinian arguments and talking points, so we would make sense that the same inconsistencies that pro Palestinians have would transfer over to the AI.
@@adielcohen4048 Your name is Cohen 🤣I'm Latin American, but from the outside looking in I'm sure Father Abraham dressed and acted more like a nomadic Bedouin than a fedora tipper with glasses from Brooklyn and Eastern Europe.
You're both very obviously biased and fail to be critical of both sides and their pitfalls. They're A.I. they're not going to argue good regardless.
@@davidmays8974 I mean the only criticism I have of the pro Israeli AI is the fact that he didn't just call out the pro Palestinian AI out when he randomly started talking about the Canaanites as if they were the Palestinians and diverted the conversation from a Palestine versus Israel into Israelites versus Canaanites.
@@aesop1451 Pretty sure the ancient Canaanites didn't drive the same cars as the Palestinians either... What's your point?
I don't understand why the pro-palesinian AI is claiming Palestinians to be the Caananites in the first 1/3rd of the debate? Jews, whether they like it or not, stemmed from the Caananites
The PS: A.I. seems to just spew some general narrative with a few more fancy words and sophisticated word salad. Never really awnsering the counterclaim or reflecting on the things they said that contradicted itself or would equally advocate for the opposition.
"Most Zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe that he promised them Palestine" Ilan Pappe.
Cause the genetic studies of the modern palastinians show they half canaanits
Maybe jews was a group of canaanits that rebelled against the rest but the biblical acounts adress them as foreign migrants
It's conceivable that a people who lived in the region a few thousand years ago would have descendants spread all over the various populations living in the region now.
Well that’s because the closest people to ancient Israelites are Palestinian and Jordanian Christians, and while, yes they are closely related to the Canaanites as well, the closest ethnic group to the Ancient Canaanites is the Samaritans.
Did the Pro-Palestinian AI just claim Palestinians as Canaanites? Let's be real, the overwhelming majority of "Palestinians" didn't come from the Levant, they came from the Arabian Peninsula and/or Egypt and speak Arabic.
Well dna cormforms it they are not true arab but arab jews
Do you understand assimilation believe it or not French people didn't come from Italy even though they speak a dialect of Latin
@@Me-pt7ik apples and oranges, the French had their own established cultures, monarchies and empires, while Palestine is a region that is claimed to be an "identity" in the 20th century by some Arabs living in it.
@ not true at all French was just an identity manufactured by the house of Bourbon
@@Me-pt7ik Jews historically started in the land, Palestinians came later, developed their own identity over time, but did not originate in the levant.
Pro Palestinian AI switches arguments completely to make an argument at 16:00 that it originally argued against?
No crusader AI?
Us Christians have the best claims to the land. Really it’s Jews/Christian lands. The Muhammadan need to go back to Arabia.
LMAO
DEUS VULT
its not hard to make one. just train it on 4chan
The Palestinians are descendants of the Canaanites. Although they speak Arabic. And the name of their country comes from Greek. They are Canaanites.
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Pretty sure Jews stemmed from the Canaanite’s and not Palestinians.
"Most Zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe that he promised them Palestine" Ilan Pappe.
@@LastingPeace-bs7ihthat means nothing to the historical and genetic inaccuracy he pointed out
No? Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure the Jews came from Egypt not Canaan and Canaan is literally a Levantine Tribe, just like Palestinians surprise surprise
@@MessengerOfTheMessagein the first part of the debate the Palestine AI said the Canaanite’s were Palestinian and not Jew. Most of the pre diasporic Jewish population was Canaanite. Arabs can’t have more pre Israeli Levantine ancestry than Jews themselves because they come from Arabia.
@@LastingPeace-bs7ih Try and make some sense
Damn They can't even find an AI that can give a decent argument for Palestine 😅
Considering most Jewish folks living in Israel hate the Israeli government and want peace, I would say ceasefire.
Very biased. It’s obvious what atrocities are occurring in Palestine, but perhaps the actual sources these AI’s get their information from is heavily restricted
I think this one was good enough
But it doesn't refute a jewish claim
You can't favour one over the other without being double standard
I know right 🤣 because History & Archaeology are against the false narrative of the colonising, Islamic umah. In their dreams the Land of the Jews belong to them lol they keep making foo’s of themselves trying to justify lies. Jews aren’t innocent either in this conflict but one thing is true. The Land belongs to them. Can’t argue with the truth
@@oaktutor1154 or when someone realizes Al Jazeera and Hamas are both under the Muslim Brotherhood umbrella organization and aren't giving you anything remotely truthful and just Hamas propaganda they sometimes realize they been fooled by some of the most unsophisticated people and propaganda on earth.
the real answer is land belongs to whoever can defend their claim to it. right now thats isreal so its isreals land. their is no such thing as rightfull ownership of land that has been passed around a thousand times for a thousand years.
Agreed, if Arabs can claim all of North Africa and some parts of the Middle East, why can't Israel claim it when they're already controlling it and defended that land since 1948?
I do t agree ( I'm neutral btw ) if isreal can just take then turkey can also take Constantinople and parts of Armenia the land belongs to the first
Then leave Ukraine alone I guess
@ang5798 why?
We are allowed to help our friends.
But..... if Russia wins then it will be Russia until someone else takes it over (again) and remakes it to whatever they feel like and if they want to call it Ukraine they will
I disagree, by that argument the eastern part of ukrane in a sovereign part of russia
I haven't watched the whole video yet, but from the first part, I feel like they are missing an important question of whether "ancestral" claims means that people living now have any "right" to live on a certain piece of land.
agreed
Yes, in that case, america is gonna be for all the natives but of course, we know how that will go.
If you want to go by law or warfare it's still Israel's right. The land was partitioned, they accepted it and a war was waged against them which they faught off.
Yes@@jaekamei
@@jaekamei Land was partitioned by an uninvolved party with no negotiations from the palestinian side.
Thank you for another amazing video.
As an Israeli, I believe the ancient and medieval histories of Jews and Arabs are irrelevant. I hold no grudge for medieval Muslims holding my ancestors as Dimmni.
At the end of the day, the UN. was faced with a taugh decision in 1947, and they decided that Arab nationalism should coexist alongside Jewish nationalism, to protect the Jewish survivors of persecutions and the holocaust.
That is why my grandparents came here and why I was born here.
If any Palestinian wishes to have two states sharing this land peacefully - I am all for it. But seeing reality ( I highly recommend Corey Gil Shuster's UA-cam videos), I am under the impression they don't want peaceful coexistence, so we hold our ground.
I can't believe ai debates better then 90% of Americans
It’s supposed to, it has the knowledge of fucking google. It has to be better than weak human beings 😂
Did you really compare AI with Americans??
That's because 90% of Americans today don't have the "i" part of "ai"...
@@AndreyKrichevsky or the “artificial”
Yet it’s still is missing so much context
I’m confused why is Israel and Palestine a big deal? Why don’t people say anything about native Americans and America ? Isn’t it the same thing? Free the native americas ? Idk people pick and choose what to cry about I guess.
😂😂😂😂😂
Whoever taught you history and logical reasoning: go ask them for your money back
@ I just told you I’m confused mf, instead of insulting how about educating
Tbf natives conquered each other all the time, and we just did it to them
@@harrisonmauldin5090 I just wanna know the difference between that and Palestine & Israel
@@harrisonmauldin5090 why is that such a big political issue
The nation who deserves the land is the one who can use their power to maintain sovereignty over the other.
history is written by the victors
That's what i say too. The notion of "land ownership" is not a natural occurrence. It's a made up concept. The person who owns the land is the person that can convince everyone else that they own the land, through violence, diplomacy, or commerce.
How do you determine someone deserves the land?
Israel has to take money from USA and steal our uranium to make illegal nuclear bombs in order to “maintain power” they never really had. Which is why they lost their temple, their land, and got kicked out of every other place. The only power they have is manipulation typically through money lending.
If Israel wins, they keep the land, if Palestine wins, they get the land, so far isreal is gonna get the land, simple
Whoever has control of it. That's how it's always been.
Agree. Might is right...
Honestly, the idea of a UN is stupid. The stronger countries should have the right to invade weaker ones
This is why Europe should just cease Ukraine to Russia
@mr.y981 Fair enough, but being in the wrong doesn't make it any less true. Israel has its own military, borders, law, and population. It's a country, and it's their land as of right now.
@@mr.y981 I mean at the same time countries have the right to treaties of poison
@@mr.y981 so if we had lost to the nazis after all you would think that was fine because they won
@@TYsdrawkcaB exactly
another video idea : capitalism vs communism vs socialism, which one is more sustainable ?
Add Anarchism too
Every country that has tried socialism has failed MISERABLY!
Right now, capitalism is the only one that has stood the test of time and is, therefore the most sustainable in my opinion.
Capitalism is the worst economic system, except for every other economic system ever devised.
I take slight exception with the term capitalism, however, because I believe it is too closely associated with that dead beat asshole Marx's debunked theories. I prefer the term free enterprise, and feel it is more accurate.
@@Orangejuiceandsandwichname a socialist country that has "failed" because of socialist policy and not because of extreme sanctioning and unrelated political unrest. The most developed nations on earth have socialist policies mixed in a capitalist market. The answer isnt one or the other entirely
@Orangejuiceandsandwich I'm not a commie but the USSR was the 2nd largest economy, greatly improving Russia's standards of living compared to before it, and Cuba was also pretty good until the collapse of the USSR, who's to say socialism is what caused the collapse. I am generally a capitalist, but a lot of good things come from not being hyper capitalist such as unions, weekends, 8 or 9 hour work days, holidays, no slavery, welfare systems and other efforts to help the lower and middle class
Some points that the AI's didn't cover (I'm Pro-Israel):
1. Despite being important to understand the initial roots of both peoples to the land, after thousands of years it's absolutely ridiculous to debate on who was the first occupant of the region.
It's completely undeniable the presence of the Jews in the land, if not by all the arguments presented, by the fact the word Jew literally comes from Judea. The first mention to the word Palestine comes from the Romans, enemies of the Jews, that wanted to taunt their rivals by starting to call that land Palestine, after another enemy of the Jews, the Phillistines.
2. Just like the AI said, why there hasn't been any claims for a Palestinian state until the 19th century?
I'll tell you why:
For the same reason why most Arab countries' flags have identical colours and patterns. Middle Eastern Arab countries have been crawling with dictatorships, religious fundamentalism and oppression since the beginning of said religion. The Middle East itself has been the stage of many battles and conquests among Arabs. If they can't leave among each other, how would you think they would react when they are asked to coexist with such a foreign concept of a society has the one existing in Israel?
3. Israel constitutes around 1% of the Arab territory in the Middle East and surrounding regions. Make no mistake, this conflict is not about territory, it's about religion and beliefs.
Israel represents the ONLY democracy in the Middle East. If Israel is attempting to commit ethincal cleansing, then this is without a doubt the biggest failure at a genocide in human history. Despite being a Jewish State, over a 1/5 of Israel's population is Arab. Said Arabs are completely integrated in society and have all the doors opened to make an honest and fruitful way of living, in a country that does not discriminate anyone over anything. Regarding what I said in this point, I want to say that I'm an European that has lived for a while in Israel and I saw it with my own eyes. Don't try to disprove what I said if you don't have your own self experience.
4. There's also a reason why no neighbouring countries opened their borders to Gaza civilians as refugees - Because even most of the so called "innocent civilians" are not so innocent as people might think. I wish I could pass my experience to western people, because Europeans and American do not understand that their idea of "civilian" is very different than the reality of Gaza civilians. You have videos on UA-cam, search for the celebrations in Gaza the moment Hamas terrorists came back with all the bodies and the hostages! We're not talking about chanting and clapping, we're talking about absolute euphoria, tears of joy and people celebrating like they just had won the lottery. We're talking about videos of children with guns shooting dead bodies of Jews because they truly hate the Jews from an early age, without even having a reason.
Before all the hate I'm about to get, I want to make clear that at any point I denied the fact that there are indeed many innocent civilians that die in Gaza, but they are not as many as you think.
5. For people to use the number of deaths in Gaza as a given fact, it's an outstanding proof of how naive and/or ignorant people are.
WAKE UP PEOPLE, read the source of the numbers. It's not the UN or the Red Cross or any other international agent. The source is the Ministry of Health of Gaza, aka Hamas.
Seriously, when people come argue with me with the number of dead children like they themselves have been counting the bodies, I just want to smh...
Now for real, do you have any idea how disfigured the bodies end up being after getting bombed? Do you think that the super advanced and highly trained profissionals of Gaza (sarcasm...) would be able to count, identify and classify hundreds of bodies every day? C'mon guys, I know the Western World does not know the aspects of war (thank God), but this is very obvious stuff...
6. Israel's government has, as any other sovereign country, the moral obligation of putting their people's needs above anyone else's. All of you people that never experienced the Israeli-Terrorism war have no idea how many rockets and drones were fired against Israel's residential areas, not to speak of the countless terror attacks in shopping malls and other events. Everyone that is so mad when Israel kills civilians should experience this to be able to understand how much undiscriminated violence and TERROR is displayed on truly innocent and decent people.
If not for Israel's techonology and military power (defensively speaking), the death toll of Israeli civilians would be much larger than the one in Gaza, by far.
7. For anyone thinking "Israel solved the Palestinian issue with putting them in a dump and leaving them in poverty":
A. In 2005, the Israeli government ORDERED the evacuation of the JEWS from Gaza and North Samaria, so that the land could be given to the Palestinians, in an attempt to finally put an end to the conflicts. This resulted in tens of thousands of people thrown on their asses into the streets by their own government so that Palestinians wouldn't cause more problems.
B. Israel and Egypt supply water and electricity to Gaza, being responsible for the HealthCare of their literal enemies! Apart from that, Israel has done more for facilitating HealthCare, food and Medicine into Gaza during war than any other Middle East country ever would. But I guess that doesn't sound so cool on the news :)
C. USA, multiple humanitarian organizations and ISRAEL have been funding Gaza for almost 20 years with monetary funds specifically designed to help the area grow and prosper. While being considered one of most (if not the most) radicalized and poor region in the world, one has to wonder where's all this money going towards.
The answer is simple: Weapons, military logistics (like a complex underground tunnel system that even the best intelligence in the world (Mossad) can't completely figure out), training of rebels, and, of course, the payment of the UNRWA employees helping terrorism through UN. Btw, if you think all the weapons were being funded by Iran, then why are people in Gaza so poor?
D. Until a certain point in time, Gaza civilians were free to enter and many of them would work in Israel, in order to reap out the beneficts of an actually thriving economy, then would go back to Gaza by the end of the day. Needless to say, the same was never possible for the Jewish Israelis (not that any Jewish person would ever want to go to Gaza).
There's so much left to say, but it's good that the AI's are capable of understanding what we humans no longer are - that Terrorism is not resistance, Terrorists are not freedom fighters and that the Jews are indigenous to their ancestral land.
"Most Zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe that he promised them Palestine" Ilan Pappe.
The question is why are they occupying others' lands. They're vacating natives for European & American Jews to settle there.
@arsalanph7 There are Sephardic as well. Lord R the child’s willed it through England, as the banking families were directly involved.
Both zionists and the bad Germans were aiming for the same goals. Move them to the Levantine but that would need a disturbance to do so.both groups funded the new state that exists today.
Civilian is someone thats not currently not engaged into millitary act so targeting him don't have operational importance
Even if this civilian are radicalised even retired soldiers are considered civilians also the people joy after oct 7 is not unique in human history jews was happy during Berlin getting bombed my the britts regardless of the Civilian casualties same goes to American while japan was nuked
You must know that those people is so simple they don't know what happened in the field or who was those captive they know one thing isrealies hurt us so we hurt them back its not really religious radicalism or personal hatred and even if it was its understandable
You want people to experience the life of isreali citizen
But would you experience the life of palastinian citizen
Correct. If Jews living in Israel were to all convert to Islam, there would be no conflict. Well, then the conflict would be between the Shiites and the Sunnis. Lol. But the conflict is not about land which is what so many people get wrong.
Why do we even have to debate whose land it is? There are already large populations of both Palestinians and Israelis living in this land. Are we saying we will displace millions of people just because you have proven that you historically own this land? Just effin set aside your selfishness, pride and agree to divide the land.
This is a rare and wonderful debate. Each side kept to time, didn’t interrupt, shout slogans, make emotive inflammatory comments, and presented researched facts. This is so rare in this conflict.
30:10 SO YOU ADMIT IT!
Seriously though this debate was over when the Palestinian AI claimed the land with blood ties despite the fact Israel set up the first kingdom and more importantly would have the same ancestral claim from blood, just to a more minute degree due to Jewish tragedies (aka holocaust)
If we use ancestry of 3000 years ago all europeans should be deported to eastern ukraine
The Israel AI didn’t even respond to the counter point that Hamas does not represent all Palestinian voices… and a concede that Hamas causes harm does not diminish the credence of Palestine AI’s arguments, anyone would be delusional to think that they are 100% correct with no room for nuance.
The Bible itself says Abraham had two sons, Isaac and Ishmael. Even if you think the connection between Ishmael and the Arabic people was "made up" by Muslims, you can't deny that Hebrew and Arabic are both Semitic languages. One of the most revered scholars of Judaism, Moses Maimonides, lived in Muslim Spain (Al-Andalus). The Bible tells us Abraham was a nomadic shepherd. Sounds like a Bedouin. If Father Abraham met a random Bedouin and a fedora tipper with glasses from Brooklyn, who would he recognize as his descendant? Let's give Abraham some mansaf and some matzah ball soup and see if he is more familiar with Arabic food or Eastern European food.
This gave me some insight i haven’t thought about, need more videos like this!
israel, saved you the time
EVEN the AI agrees with Israel by vast majority
So what I get the Palestinians are the real descendants of the jew that converted to Islam and ones that came from Germany and Poland are not the people of the land
now this is already gonna be controversial af LOL
King Edward I kicked out the 🧃from England in 1290. They didn't come back until 1656 thanks to Oliver Cromwell. Shortly after England becomes a world power. British imperialism, unlike ancient imperialism, used joint-stock companies like the East India Company and the Royal African Company to do its work. Who does that benefit? And who's name is on the Balfour Declaration? Lord R0ths.child! So basically the British Empire and the United States were used as host bodies for endoparasites to achieve their plans.
Why is it illegal to be genetically tested in Isreal?
*36min video of ai politely debating Israel vs Palestine*
Comments: "bs, here's my opinion, which is correct..."
For me, 'defensive war' means defending what's you own. Once you begin taking territory: you're over your predicament. And it shouldn't be tolerated.
I understand your stance, however i think you are failing to understand just how small this region is.
In order to protect it's citizens effectively from october 7th like attacks israel has no choice but to act outside it's borders.
In my opinoin, if there is a real threat on the lives of it's civilians, a country is justified and might even be obligated to eliminate it as a defnsive act.
Seems like a fair stance
@מידן-ע1כ
Then does that mean you support the October 7th attack based on December 27th, 2019 attack carried out by the IDF on civilians where 200 died inside of Gaza? if not then you are like most zio-nazi. a pile of waking contradictions.
Search, 2018-2019 Gaza border protest. Here lies the one of the few thousands of attacks on civilians by the IDF in the modern days, meaning I am still excluding the ones before 2000's.
one should question himself when a well trained army is killing more civilians and using human shields than a terrorist organization like HAMAS. Yet here we are, not suprising considering kids in israel like to sing about sucking the blood of palestians women.
It appears even the AI model is trying to make a connection from the Philistine and Palestinians. This would be false. Philistines were of Greek ancestry. Also, modern Palestinians are not all from that area, mostly from Egypt and other Arab lands.
Bottom line is that the world has 49 Muslim majority countries, so the most discriminated group in human history deserves 1 tiny country the size of New Jersey to call home and avoid the patterns of discrimination they’ve faced over thousands of years.
bottom line is both deserve to live there. Your arguement suggests we remove all English people since the Britons deserve their own homeland and there's a bunch of other Germanic countries the English can go to
As a muslim, I agree, but then j's have to acknowledge that they stole this land and homes from palestinians and pay reparations
They still shouldnt be settling in foreign land
@Anas-12236it is their homeland, it is not foreign
That's a form of tribalism
Interesting that the blue bot never brought up the fact that many Muslim's live inside of Israel with no issue, no Jews live inside of Hamas, or other Muslim controlled areas in the region without issue.
I'll just put it here - Yemen is a country with a population of ~30 million and about 10~ Jews. Not million or thousand, literally just 10. The country is run by the Houthi terror organization that has "Death to America and Israel and curse the Jews" written literally on their main Houthi flag. They hold mass protests in support of Hamas even though nobody there ever saw a Jew or an Israeli in their lives. This gives out Germany in the 30's.
Lots of Mexicans live in America for job opportunities. Do you think Mexicans like learning English and listening to Drake and Rihanna?
It stuck to strictly making pro-Israel arguments, like it should. It never brought up many points that are not crucial to legitimising Israel, but strongly delegitimise Palestinian claim - like Israeli Arabs having full rights and living peacefully with Jews, Palestinian refugees being violent to the point of starting civil wars in nations that tried to host them, or the fact that if Palestine was to replace Isreal Middle East would lose the only free democracy, and gain a radical islamist fascist state.
@@aesop1451 ironically Spanish is a major subject in the US and I know a couple of Latinos who like Drake and Rihanna
hell even a Brazilian mob boss offered personal protection for Michael Jackson because he was a huge fan of him during his tour
@@waludalu5102 Yeah, but if America annexed Mexico because of the cartels, and even if America made it safe and got rid of the cartels, a lot of Mexicans would be against annexation because they are proud of their culture.
This is why as a Filipino, to which my motherland of the Philippines has close relations not only to Israel but the majority of the arab world like Saudi Arabia. Support my country's policy on the matter, by advocating for a two state policy. We were one of the first to advocate for such an idea, and we won't back down on it. As outsiders and Christians we recognise the complexities of the situation just enough, so as to not be swayed by religious, political, and ethnic bias.
Christians and Jews co-exist with muslims, BUT muslims WILL NOT co-exist with Jews and Christians :
The Worst of all creatures
Sura 98:6 “Indeed, those who disbelieve from the People of the Book(Christians and Jews) and the polytheists will be in the Fire of Hell, to stay there forever. They are the worst of all creatures”
Violence in quran
sunan an-nasa’i 4059 - The messenger of allah said : “Whoever changes his religion, kill him”
Actually fun fact, the Philippine general that was to vote on the matter opposed the 2 state solution and a partition of "Palestine" but after a threat was made to the philipines by the US the vote was changed against his will.
history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1947v05/d910
basically zionists threatened the Philippines to change their vote
You must not know what “Sharia” is. It’s an anti-Christian law which has suppression of Christianity built into it & it’s the basis for what you call Palestine & most of the Middle East. So no they (The Arabs) need to be deported to the other 20 somethings Arab states, their rule is a disgrace to the holy land. Only 2 state solution I support there would be the division of the land between Christians (The Real Jews) & those who consider themselves Jews today. The Arab Christians can stay the rest of the Arabs got to go.
So did Israel support a two state policy, the problem is, you can't really force a peace on the Palestinians, they're not interested in it. They will never give up on the right of return into proper Israel as Israeli citizens, causing a massive demographic shift, making Jews a minority in their own state, a minority to a predatory majority who will seek "revenge" on them, possibly exiling all of the Jews through democratic and majority rule means.
Because of that, it's hypocritical to judge and blame Israel for the lack of peace, while Palestinians continuously showed unwillingness to compromise and peace where both Jews and Palestinians live alongside each other.
Here’s the thing tho. The Palestinians have never come to the table with their own proposal. Other than we want it all and you get nothing, which is a non starter. They never once counter offered any of the numerous Israeli proposals. Matter of fact when Arafat rejected the last offer he launched the second intafada killing scores of innocent Israeli civilians-which disincentivized Israel from further offers of statehood.
Every offer has been rejected and met with violence. Which is why I believe this isn’t about land or statehood. It’s a religious war.
Where was Palestinian “resistance” when Gaza was occupied by Egypt for 19 years? Or when Jordan occupied the West Bank for the same amount of time?
You know why there wasn’t “resistance”? Because Egypt and Jordan are Muslim countries. If Israel were a muslim country there wouldn’t be a conflict.
If it was about self determination and statehood they would’ve at least counter offered, but they didn’t. They just went right to violence. And it’s because Islam Hates Jews and us infidels, that’s the hard truth.
im at 3:04 and the crucial point they are missing that the early population that palestinian side refers to were fought with by islamist. How can you support your claims to the land by referring to cultures you have destroyed with islam?
"War and conflict is a Human thing!"
AI:
(Yes, I know gorilla's, meerkats and ants do it too)
Interesting discussion. Do you have notes on the methodology for creating this? Also, was it checked by humans for hallucinations/errors?
Actually, according to the Canaanite origin theory, the Hebrews emerged from the broader Canaanite culture during the Late Bronze Age, sharing cultural similarities before forming their own distinct identity and monotheistic religion. This shows that Palestinians are not Canaanites, as their ancestry is a mix of different populations, including Arabs who arrived during the 7th-century Islamic conquests. While Palestinians, like other people from the Levant, may carry some Canaanite genetic admixture, they do not have a direct cultural or ethnic connection to the ancient Canaanites. The Canaanites as a distinct group no longer exist, having been absorbed by various civilizations over thousands of years. In contrast, modern Jews have a direct ancestral lineage to the ancient Israelites.
So the question is: "Does Israel belong to Israelites or Arabs?" 🤔 Let me think for a second, "Arabian Peninsula or Israel, where do Arabs live?", wow, this is "difficult". Too bad we can't use sound logic and history to determine who's ancestral land it is 😕
Arabs in palestine aren't the same as the arabs in the arabian peninsula. Arab refers to an an ethnicity and a langauge group. Palestinians aren't ethnically arab but speak arabic. Like how egyptians or moroccans are arabs but moroccan.
HAHAHA, you're username is COEN...8677 and you expect us to believe you're just a neutral observer. Anyways, Genesis (or "Bereshit") 11-25 tells us what Abraham was like. He was a nomadic shepherd. It also says he had two sons, Isaac and Ishmael. Arabs say Ishmael is their ancestor, just like Jews say Isaac is their ancestor. Even if we suspect Muslims made this connection up, there is no denying that Hebrew and Arabic are both Semitic languages. The difference is that Ashkenazi Jews lived in Eastern Europe for several centuries. Ashkenazis make up 70% of the Jewish world, if not more...I mention this because I often hear, "What about the Mizrahi and the Sephardim?" as an argument. Who would Father Avraham recognize as his descendant: A random Bedouin or a fedora tipper with glasses from Brooklyn and Eastern Europe? Yes, it's true you have DNA that goes back to the Levant, I'm not denying that. The rest of the world is just shocked about how you treat your cousins.
@aesop1451 Coen is of Dutch origins lol it means brave, unlike the Hebrew Cohen, which means priest. Also, I'm genetically Norman, so Viking. Know what you're talking about. And just because a Jew defends their point of the argument, doesn't make their arguments invalid. That's a fallacious way of thinking. Also, God gave that land to the Israelites and He said they will return to it before the end times. Who are you to deny this? Be silent, antisemite.
What most people don't understand is that it doesn't matter whose rightful land it is and who has a better claim. At the end of the day Israel holds it by military might (ie Right of Conquest) which all those who came before them used including Arabs.
So unless they can be militarily defeated, all these debates are useless. But defeating them is really unrealistic since they even have nukes now.
So at the end of the day a diplomatic two state solution remains the only realistic one.
With that logic, considering Palestine rejects defeat, they should all be exiled from the West Bank and Gaza strip, considering their objection to peace talks and a want to compromise on the right of return
A two state solution is unrealistic. There is going to be a one state solution after Israel gets rid of all the Christians and muslims
The only problem with a two state solution is that it's not a solution. It's the problem. It's what the Palestinians are fighting against. Many people see the two states concept as a compromise between the two sides, but it's actually a victory for Israel and a defeat for the Palestinians... Because Israel's main objective is to exist, and Palestine's main objective of to have all of Palestine under Arab Muslim rule.
At the end of the day, having Jews in the region is not the issue at all. It’s that they’re backed by imperial powers who want to control more resources globally, and they don’t care that the Jewish population are the ones getting their hands dirty.
I wish it could just be like the Vatican where it’s non-military and shared between Palestinians, 1948 refugees, and Jewish people, and that could lead to a natural co existence with Jews and Arabs.
What happens tomorrow if America pulls out of the Middle East cold turkey and provides 0 funding for this country? If they really hold it "through military might" why does Bibi keep giving speeches at our Congress? Why do we allow AIPAC to operate with impunity?
We need a pizza debate
What’s better?
BBQ.
Pepperoni
Mushroom
Alfredo
Pineapple
And Chicken
@@MessengerOfTheMessage dunno man, more of the pineapple guy here
The people with the bigger stick or smarter strategy. No debate required.
that's probably the only realistic way of settling it lol
post your address and see how that plays out, then come back and tell us if you stand by that policy lol
That means
means anyone with a bigger stick can kick you out of house and claim it as theirs . Welcome to the JUNGLE RULE.
@nickolas I doubt anyone here has a bigger stick than the government
This is NOT about people with a bigger stick. This is about AI giving us answers through history and world knowledge. It has nothing to do with who is occupying now.
Christians and Jews co-exist with muslims, BUT muslims WILL NOT co-exist with Jews and Christians :
The Worst of all creatures
Sura 98:6 “Indeed, those who disbelieve from the People of the Book(Christians and Jews) and the polytheists will be in the Fire of Hell, to stay there forever. They are the worst of all creatures”
Violence in quran
sunan an-nasa’i 4059 - The messenger of allah said : “Whoever changes his religion, kill him”
I’m gonna say something super unpopular but this argument isn’t who deserves to live in Israel but what to do with the Arab Palestinians living there. The Jews aren’t leaving without starting a third world war so now where do the Palestinians go? It’s a binary choice either Jews or Muslims live in the holy land not both. So I’ll ask again, where should the Arabs that don’t want to become Israelis go?
They should be helped to settle in any Arabic countries of their choice or Ireland 🇮🇪
How could Arabs have more Pre-Israeli Levantine ancestry than Jews themselves? They came from Arabia? Whereas pre diaspoic Jewish populations were mostly Caananite even if that makes Jews themselves mad
You're forgetting dinosaurs were Palestinians
@@monkeypie8701
The majority of modern arabs are not an original arabs
When islamic conquest spread around the middle east all the original habitants were forced to learn arabic even arab jews
So yeah arabism is more likely a tongue than a race
Actually the AI used a misconception. Some Palestinians actually have Canaanite DNA, and for some reason the AI interpreted that as the Palestinians were the Canaanites and eventually in the first part he accidentally descended into a Canaanites versus Israelites debate. The thing is the Palestinians weren't Canaanites they only have some DNA from them because of cross breeding between Canaan and the arab peninsula, I'm guessing the AI glitched or something and accidentally went off topic, I also think the Pearl Israel AI did not have the ability to just say he's wrong as I think they were only programmed to present their own side based on what the other AI said without the ability to just say that one side is wrong or that one side is when somewhere else. I'd say ignore the first part, or just take it as a Canaanite versus Israelite debate, which is wildly useless
Because Palestinians aren’t actually technically Arabs. They’re Levenites who got Arabised, some of them are actually as Jewish as other Jews are genetically.
The Canaanites were converted and forced to learn Arabic. This is such a simple concept that It baffles me when people act as though every single "Arab" has an ancestor in the Arabian peninsula. Do you think Arabia had nearly enough of a population to wipe out the entirety of North Africa, Mesopotamia, The Levant, Sudan, and replace them all with pure blooded Arabs?
This is pretty biased. Arab israeli war? Agaisnt overwhelming odds? The israrlites use all of britishamerican support and those arab nations you are talking about were not willing to give away their land.
Clearly the land belongs to Cape Verde 🇨🇻!!
Ask why civilians in Westbank are being hurt no hamas there 🤨?
I know the video will make me feel sane and the comments will make me want to scream also LOVE your content thank you pls keep doing these sorts of topics
It would be interesting after the debate concludes, to ask each AI debater to forget their previous role as an advocate for one of the sides, and ask them what side they think is now correct.
What are the 2 AI models debating in this video?
each AI debater is made up of a team of AIs (Claude 3.5, Gemini 2, ChatGPT 01, Grok 2) collaborating to create questions and answers. thanks for the question.
@@JonOleksiuk damn, you put a lot of work in these huh.
@@meraj5393That’s what his channel is about 😄
@meraj5393 ha, thanks for noticing.
Because that's how debates work - two sides argue opposing views.
2nd Pro-P AI reverses the argument. Now saying “new group took over, therefore they’re now the rightful owner”. Pick an argument.
And reverses back in the 3rd part. Even AI can't make an argument against Zionism without applying double standards...
Who takes llama seriously? 💀 it still got a long way to go.
The ai is probably a lot smarter than me so ima trust it on this one
we need to get something clear, the nakba is not what peole claim our believe.
It was hardly forced displacement. Somehow those Arabs who chose to stay put, became Israeli citizens, instead of being forced to relocate to refugee camps. Israeli Arabs have more freedom, more rights, and higher standard of living than any Palestinian state would ever offer to its population.
Israel has a better claim over the land today granted that they were given the land 80 years ago. You’d have to oppose all colonization globally to oppose that.
To return Israel to Arabs would be akin to returning America to the Indians.
However, the conversation about Israel and its influence in American politics, ethnic cleansing of Gazans, and global consequences of the Mossad is worth having. Moreover, a rational U.S would wield authority over Israel proportionate to the foreign aid and protection we provide them.
The only thing is Israel keeps taking more and more land and you get a tit for tat. British sell the same rug to two people they fight so israel takes more land arabs mad that israel took more land fight israel takes more land and so on
not even that since jews are native to israel. Palestinian culture is arab culture. and arabs come the Arabian peninsula (saudi arabia today). most palestinians today are also descendants of people who immigrated to the land around the time zionist jews immigrated/took refuge. many of them still have surnames of cities or countries in the surrounding area
No, returning Israel to the Arabs is not the same as returning America to the Indians. When America became independent in 1776, it was effectively "on its own." It's actually quite offensive to compare the Christian American pioneers that built America to Israel. The Founding Fathers did not achieve independence through subterfuge and terror. You cannot dispute the receipts (the King David Hotel incident for example). America "allowed itself" to get involved in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan, and Syria. President Eisenhower had a great relationship with the Arab world. After 1963 America lost its way. Is America not manly enough to break free? Is America not Christian enough? In Singapore, Chinese, Malays, and Indians get along fine. America should protect the Holy City, that's it. We will need to deradicalize them. First, we should teach them what John the Baptist said: "God is able to raise up children to Abraham from these stones." This means people should be judged on the actions they take, not what race their mother was. Second, we should strongly affirm that as long as a Christian state exists on the face of the Earth we will not allow the Third Temple to be rebuilt.
The Arabs are the invaders, there is no "returning" to invaders, and they are not analogous to native Americans because they aren't native. Returning Israel to the Jews is a better comparison, since they are the indigenous population and the land is rich with their culture and history.
The Jews Got exiled from their land because of imperialism when the Jews regained the right to return home marks the end of imperialism as we would see for the next 50 or so years countries occupied by imperialists and Colonialists would start to withdraw from these territories, at least some of them. Obviously not the larger countries such as Australia, United States, Canada and big parts of the middle and South America.
It's the people who are meant to be held as sacred not the land. No one cares about the land except the people, so the sacred is with the people not the land.
Thanks for making this video. ❤ very good to see things objectivity.
Some left to be desired, such as, ignore the Arab migration into Israel in the 1900. The eradication of malaria by the jews, the tension between the ottoman and the Arabs, the automatic association with Arab - Muslim - Palestinian
All and all. Good job. Looking for 2nd iteration 😅
"Most Zionists don't believe that God exists, but they do believe that he promised them Palestine" Ilan Pappe.
Love this channel man, keep up the great work.
They BOTH have claim it’s been that old I’m just saying
THANK YOU Somone finally said it
I’ve been waiting for this so long
Round 2 basically justifies wiping native tribes off the map, so...
AI debating Israel vs Palestine was not on my 2025 Bingo card.
Why is the more politically right wing position or religiously orthodox always the blue girl?
To make those arguments recognizable among the two
Because she's based obviously.
Proud Pro-Israel Democrat here 👋
You mad it ain't the guy?
@@RacerXfactor00 That's literally the worst of both worlds.
Can you please do a video on whether homosexuality is permissible by christanity or not?
The answer is no, plain and simple. The Bible is pretty clear on homosexuality being an abomination, and men practicing homosexuality not being admitted into heaven.
Please do so, it would be interesting. I love debating but I'm not good at it at all, and there videos help me slowly improve, without having to find people to debate with.
it is, and isn't. there is not much against just being homosexual, but acting on it is strictly prohibited
@@Bobbobbity-e5g That's why we need AI to debate it, it's so confusing. "It is and it isn't" I'd like to learn more. I yearn for a debate.
@Minorskillissue it's not too confusing. basically, someone who is homosexual isn't like a bad thing, but acting on them, so like dating, marrying, or doing the thing with a person the same sex as you is a bad thing and is not permissible
I've said it before. Your bravery to let the truth come out is admirable. And as you see, it didn't take long to get straight to the heart of the problem. It brought up war and slavery but only briefly. The one thing it still assumes is a consistent and distinct identity, religion, and culture throughout history. It allows the argument to be accepted on the grounds of identity when that line was blurred through war and historic events to begin with. Are we allowed to academically ask, is Israeli and Israelite the same people, is Palestine and Philestine the same? And if not, how does that factor?
Obviously if you do your history you will know Palestine is, was and always will be Jewish land. The Jews lived in modern day Palestine for thousands of years before the Arab invaders annexed it. Before that, Israel was apart of the Roman Empire and when they tried rebelling against the empire they were expelled from their land and forced to migrate to different places. As for the name Palestine, it is derived from the name Philistine which was a hostile group of people who migrated to Israel and their name literally means hostile. Then about 600 years later the Arabs took Palestine and settled it. Arabs never lived in Israel (at least not in great multitudes) until Muhammad colonised the Christian Middle East and subjugated any remaining Jews and Christians who wouldn't convert or didn't become slaves. The Palestinians are on stolen land. The "we were promised that land 3000 years ago" argument doesn't work when the Jews were living there already.
1:06 already, this time period Israel nor Palestine existed. It was called Jerusalem and there’s debate whether or not Jews are actually the same as the Hebrew who are the owners of the land.
Not to mention, the Canaanites were also not Arab but Greek.
they were native middle easterners… closest population today are lebanese christians and palestinian christians
@@ofa7788interesting. I know their language was northwestern Semitic
I believe there is overwhelming evidence that I am in fact the supreme overlord of the land.
I'll save you 36 minutes of your time. It's Israel's.
Palestine outright opposed partition, advocating for a single democratic state(London Conference of
1946-1947), hard to propose alternatives to something you fundamentally reject.
This is an L video.
my land
Land of palestine
"This land is mine"
Im just an american with no real horse in this race, but you know what? America should own it so people stop fighting about it.
@@Yipper64 Nah, give it back to the Brits
Christians and Jews co-exist with muslims, BUT muslims WILL NOT co-exist with Jews and Christians :
The Worst of all creatures
Sura 98:6 “Indeed, those who disbelieve from the People of the Book(Christians and Jews) and the polytheists will be in the Fire of Hell, to stay there forever. They are the worst of all creatures”
Violence in quran
sunan an-nasa’i 4059 - The messenger of allah said : “Whoever changes his religion, kill him”
Indigeneity is a non-factor without a time frame. If you're going to go that route, how far back are you going to go? According to the history that is taught, everything, everywhere on planet Earth should be ceded to Africa.
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Its Neither Israelite or Palestinian, its European 🇪🇺
Bazed ☦️
thanks for the video man, keep goin. 👊💯
Changing positions from point to point that is not intelligence at all I don't know why it's called artificial intelligence
The Pro Palestine seems to be unable to produce a truly valid point so it just reverts to humanitarian concerns of the Palestinians rather than addressing Palestinian violence and unwillingness for a peace process or Hamas, which is clearly unjustifiable
20:18 inaccurate. idk what the ai's source is, but the local palestinian arabs first started a war that was waged for around half a year before the other arab states joined..
I'm convinced 90% of these comments focus on one slide of this video, instead of wayching the full thing.
Well there's not much to say about the other part of the video. The first part used an incorrect misconception and seemingly try to argue that the Palestinians are Canaanites which is incorrect, on top of the fact that the pro-israel AI ignored the fact that the Israelites came from the Canaanites. The reason people are talking about it is because of the fact that something went wrong there. The other two parts are great
But nobody wants to talk about the fact that those people in Israel claiming to be the descendants of Jacob aren't his true descendants so they dont have real claims to that land at all huh 👀🙄😮💨
Jacoballs
Of course a black person said this. (Not that I’m racist or anything but “Black Hebrew Israelites only” is extremely goofy movement
I wonder how an AI would answer the question:
Does a 3rd generation American from New York of Italian descent have the right to go to London and grasp ownership of Edgeware Rd and evict the current inhabitants of it... using the claim that his Roman ancestors built London in 47 CE and that the New Yorkers of non-Roman descent discriminate against him?
This could apply to the Palestinian side as well
Right now the region has Jewish majority and Palestinian Organisations like hamas or Palestinian jihad have that same argument that killing and kicking Jewish civilian is right because the land is theirs
And while i understand what you try to say you did left out how the "kicking out" only happened as a result of a war started by the Palestinian leaders at the time.
If both sides accepted the partition plan there wouldn't be any displacement and there would be peaceful co existence on both sides
@@itslook_just_exists ... if someone comes to your house and takes over 3/4 of it do you say that now 3/4 of your house belongs to him and he is the owner of that 3/4... and do you accept a deal of him taking over 3/4 of your house and you blame yourself if he takes over the REST of the house because you tried to take back your house and did not accept the deal???
To go back to the New Yorker... do you think the inhabitants of London should just accept him taking over and just leave their houses and apartments and just give up? Do you blame them for not accepting the take over and say they deserve to lose the rest of London because they resisted the occupation by the New Yorker of Roman descent?
@@suelingsusu1339 if we are speaking in the house metaphor if the landlord (Britain in that tim) decides to kick you out and let someone else live there and you try to kill the person moving in you would probably lose the rights to live there because you will go to jail
But ofcs the house metaphor is not applicable to the conflict
I can understand why the Palestinians felt the way they felt but trying to lunch a war to kick all the Jews out is also horrible
Both jews and Palestinians have a claim to the land that's why the partition plan was proposed representing the situation as the land only belonging to one side is obviously false
If both sides keep trying to argue over which one is the "real" owner instead of accepting that the other side won't leave and just coexist we will never see peace in that region
Even if you disagree with how Israel was created its still there and simply destroying it will only cause more problems
Actually, this is a good productive debate, learned alot 💪
Israel has always been there for 5000 years and I agree with the pro Israel AI
Israel hasnt been there for 2000+ years what are you talking about
Even the AI agrees.
Israel has been around far longer than the first kingdoms of the Israelites but not 5,000 years. Jewish people have been in Israel for at least 3,500 - 4,200 years according to most academics, ever since Abraham (who was born in Urfa and moved to Harran when his father took his family there) took his family to Canaan at some point around 2,100 BCE - 2,060 BCE (some give more specific dates like 2,066 BCE), and there is a lot of archaeological evidence to prove it. Some academics point to evidence that Abraham lived closer to around 1,830 BCE to 1,600 BCE and moved to Canaan at some point during that time. Either way, it's roughly 3,500 - 4,200 years ago, but not 5,000 years.
Jews are without question the people who have the longest living connection to the land of Israel.
Many Arabs have Jewish DNA because many Jews were forced to convert to Islam over the last roughly 14 centuries since Mohamed created Islam and started forcing Jews to convert to his new religion.
That is why Jews and Arabs are in many ways truly like brothers and sisters, because in many cases we stem from the same family tree, at a DNA level.
Even Islamic Arabs and other Muslims from the time of Mohamed and all the way through British Mandate Palestine, have physically recognized and established that Israel is the land of the Jews. They have made art and coins and written literature for centuries literally dating back to the Koran itself, that makes it 100% undeniable that they stated and belief as a tenet of their faith, that Israel is the land of the Jews.
Mohamed himself wrote certain parts of the Koran in certain ways in order to appeal to Jews to convert to Islam. And when it failed, he went all Jihadi on them and proceeded to do violence against the Jews in horrible ways until the end of his life. And all the while, he never denied that Israel is where the Jews are from and that Israel is the Jewish homeland.
The AI agrees because the AI was set with human perimeters by which can be bias.
Modern israelis aren't even the descents of those made up million year ancestral claims lmao. If africans converts to jew do they have rights on palestine aswell bc of that 5000yrs bold claim?
Finallyyyy the episode we all waiting for
oh my, i cant even imagine the comments
"I'd have to say - y'know, I'm not sure. I mean, I don't think it's quite so 'black and white'. It's more... black and grey. Hell, grey and grey, y'know? No one side can be held accountable for the bloodshed here. No one action got us where we are now. I dunno. What can we do? Just... double-down on our efforts. Heal the wounds... And the folks here in Oreokastro? They're the ones that've suffered."
"This is the reality."
"This is war."
- Nathan MacDade
@@OrigionalCigarette
The past gave us Vengeance and lack of trust we need to let go of those first to reach tomorrow
No matter what ethnicity lived there first. Genocide is still wrong. Love peace ❤
"Should propaganda be censored?" - "Does regulating propaganda interfere with free speech?" - would like to see that (or some sort)
Good bless Israel 🇮🇱 🙏
The Israel you mention today are the boat people and refugees from Europe not the Israel you mention in the ancient inscriptions.
Even Jesus himself was a person of Middle Eastern blood, the same blood as the Palestinians today.
Why the pro-Israel keep avoiding the expansion of the settlements?😭
@CeoDiez you can just consider it as negotiating tactics.
If the Palestinian keep that Israel should not exist as first objective. They might ending to be assimilate into Jordan and eygpt
History does not offer a do over.
It's a non issue because only Israel signed the treaty. It's all Israel's land being the Arabs refused. Not to mention who do most westerners want in control of the Middle East, Jews or Muslims? The Jews won't kill us
It’s to counter the “it’s all ours” argument by the other side.
@@CeoDiez who can we trust more, Jews or Muslims?
It wasn't really the topic of debate
OMG THANK YOU I HAD REQUESTED IT 🎉🎉🎉
Never scene AI debate before. Fantastic way to have a unbiased knowledgeable debate with unbiased judges. Cool concept
thank you! much appreciated :)
The Palestinians are descendants of the Canaanites. Although they speak Arabic. And the name of their country comes from Greek. They are Canaanites.
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I think it should also be added that the Al Aksa mosque is the 3rd most holy site in Islam whereas the temple mount is the most holy site in Judaism. And any split control solution giving the Al Aksa mosque to the Muslims, giving the dome of the rock to the Jew, and the has been denied. Keep in mind, the dome of the rock is not the 3rd most holy site, but rather the Al Aksa mosque.
AI knows what the World's knowledge and history knows. Israels land From Judea to Samaria. Their land from River to Sea