A grass take-off in that heavy six cylinder aircraft with little pavement wheels was always going to be long. Add to that the sprinklers near half way causing ground softness and extra drag. So glad everyone was ok
I own a Lance I. This is a Lance II. Soft field, no flaps, T-tail (a very bad design on the Lance II) and a pilot that did not calculate the distance required for take off (having failed to do the first calculation, he would have failed to calculate weight & balance as well). This accident occurred before he even stuck the key in the ignition! I'm glad he was OK.
I have about 3500 hours in Lance's, from bank check days. Both T's and straights. Those T-tails were always a little tricky. I didn't like them near as well as the straights.
None of what you stated a single thing to do with the incident. But thanks for proving you have never been a pilot and have no clue what you are talking about.
@@thewhitefalcon8539 true on pavement where drag from the runway is minimal. Not true on grass with small wheels where you want to minimize the weight of the airplane (ie increase lift) as soon as possible on the roll because that full weight on grass is holding you back - big time!
Turbo P32R. They require a stage of flap for a normal take off. And the T-tail model has less control authority due to being positioned above the slipstream. Unfortunately, sluggish acceleration is sometimes difficult to detect. Pre-takeoff safety brief should cover this. Possibly used to flying off long, paved runways. Short, water logged grass strip had the odds stacked against him. It’s a terrible feeling when you know you’re running out of runway.
I agree. Any pilot with common sense taking off of a runway made of wet grass with a 20-foot obstacle at the end will use flaps set for short field takeoff setting. What is not known if he also employed soft fiend techniques combined with short fiend takeoff.
I saw episodes of air crash and I was amazed at the number of fatal accidents due to pilots forgetting to put the flaps in the take-off position this is the first thing that any pilot must do before any takeoff after start-up flaps flaps flaps
Unfamiliar wet grass runways call for short field takeoffs every time. This plane was in a clean configuration as if it was on pavement. He was not set up for success.
@@kombolashasoft field and short are both 10 degrees of flaps, but soft is yoke back until you see the plane wheelie up, then release a little yoke and as the plane lifts off, push the nose down to gain speed before climbing out above the obstacle. Short field is a normal take-off with flaps, but much more ground roll, which isn't necessary on a wet runway like this. No reason not to do short field.
@bigteam6919 Sprinklers would have undoubtedly made soft ground..but it looks like there's a couple times when the spray coming up from the tires..pops up...did hitting berms of water..large puddles..arrest speed? Including other factors..
@@Kassiusday That concept does exist and is called the V1 speed also known as decision speed. It mainly only applies to jets though with multiple engines since in the event of an engine failure, their remaining engine is more then powerful enough to continue the takeoff safely. Smaller aircraft on the other hand tend to not have that luxury so crashing it as "safely" as possible is your best option.
Those pesky elevation changes will jump right out when you least expect them … It’s almost like there should be some directory of airport facilities or something … if only that existed
I know that for larger aircraft that gave two or more engines, there is a speed called V1, meaning that you must either have made a “go” decision for the takeoff or already taking action to abort the takeoff. I think it’s different for the small lightweight aircraft that have only one engine. There must be a point to where once you meet certain criteria in terms of speed and distance, you must continue with the takeoff.
@@steilkurbler4973When getting your ppl you practice soft field takeoffs and landings. You are supposed to deploy flaps and not be in a clean configuration. This pilot is at fault
@@finncurran That's right, but the wing generates lift no matter what the ground surface is. Soft fields just have much more drag to overcome to build up airspeed. IIRC the rule of thumb was around 40% than hard surface runways. You can still take off without flaps, it just takes way longer, which is a problem when space is limited.
Better then him panicking and rotating then still not clearing the trees and stall spinning it into the terrain. So that was the better decision he made.
One hundred percent. A ground base, the board beats taking an emergency into the air below V1 rotation speed. As others have said, there's an error on display here by not having flaps deployed. But the judgment in aborting the take off was smart.
The pilot aborted early enough not to lose his life. We're all human. Even experienced 5,000 hour pilots are prone to make major mistakes. The pilot got the most important part right, and that involved deliberately crashing it. There's nothing 'instinctive' here - many pilots have died in similar circumstances, being mentally unprepared to call such a decision.
Wouldn't you walk the runway first? Like if I'm not sure my car will clear a bump, I go check it out, and thats driving 2 dimensionally - I'd probably be out there with yard stick and surveying tools if I had to lift a plane off a grass strip
That big spray coming up about halfway through the takeoff run is proof that those sprinklers caused a flooded area. That is standing water which increases drag significantly. That could have made all the difference if it was dry.
For all the people saying that flaps wouls have prevented the accident; ..im assuming that what you mean to say is: treat this as a soft-field take off, set your flaps, apply brake, max throttle, release brakes, apply back pressure, get your wheels off the ground asap, fly in ground effect , then upon reaching takeoff speed, pull back and fly Vx
This is wrong, you NEVER apply brakes and stop on a soft field. I hope you’re not just mixing together short field and soft field together. Soft field you constantly roll and never stop so you don’t potentially get stuck in the grass….
Idk what the winds were, but the tree line at the side he left from were way shorter lol. Flaps obviously since it's a soft field. Idk what the POH says for his plane though...
See, he wasn't stubborn, nor arrogant, and didn't let his EGO get in the way and lived to see another day. This should be a training video for all future private plane pilots.
Appears that he didnt have aft pressure on the elevators during takeoff roll. This takes the weight off the front gear and reduces rolling drag on grass strips....
Soft field takeoff's usually require the use of flaps plus MINIMAL nose pressure, unless the POH states differently. When doing a soft field takeoff you lift off at rotation speed and hold ground effect until you can build up speed to hold Vy. If its s short soft field you use the Vx climb out speed and hold until clear of obstacle and decrease flaps incrementally holding a positive rate. I did not see any of this from this pilot, also looked like no pre-takeoff briefing, and the pilot should have calculated their takeoff performance prior to the flight.
Wtf is wrong with people. I'm still looking for that "runway" he mentions 29 times. Still only see wet grass and trees, I think something here might be a problem? 🤔 🙄
Dear hit the breaks ,go 4 full throttle and once engine is full run , realise the break , again abrupt speed and take of consuming short distance.... Good head wind will further shorten take off distance
this aircraft was on a clean configuration which lead to this . had he been set up with flaps (dirty configuration) for a short/soft field takeoff, the outcome would’ve been a lot better .
It was 100F with minimal wind on a soft field. And he didn't use flaps. Complacency is a killer. Good news is he was the only one in the plane. No info on whether he had loaded any extra weight into the plane.
The best place to find free airplanes are in the bushes at the end of runways. I've taken home 3 free airplanes already just by scouring the bushes at my local state airports.
That was a Lance Turbo 300 HP Piper. Thats a $200K plane. It looks like he was taking off heavy or with a tail wind. You have to start stopping at the halfway point in the runway.
That runway needs to be redesigned
This looks like a very nice run way….
@@yamkaw346did you not watch the video
@@VTEC_RAT Sure did…. Looks like en extremely well maintained runway. I fly in and out of much worse on a daily basis.
The runway is totally fine. It was poor judgment from the pilot as to why they crashed.
This runway is fine. The pilot made an error
Since it isnt mentioned, the "obstacle halfway down the runway" was about 4 inches of water pooled across the runway that sapped his speed.
Thanks for update.
A grass take-off in that heavy six cylinder aircraft with little pavement wheels was always going to be long. Add to that the sprinklers near half way causing ground softness and extra drag. So glad everyone was ok
No flaps either. Should have been in short field configuration and he would have been airborne before the obstacle.
@Adub 1300 Agree. Also, it seems the pilot became fixated on the liftoff and appears not to have looked at performance versus remaining runway
70/50 rule. If you haven’t gained 70% of your take off speed in 50% of the runway abort.
@adub1300 I would put flaps down right before rotating. They just add Drag on the takeoff roll otherwise
Lol
I own a Lance I. This is a Lance II. Soft field, no flaps, T-tail (a very bad design on the Lance II) and a pilot that did not calculate the distance required for take off (having failed to do the first calculation, he would have failed to calculate weight & balance as well). This accident occurred before he even stuck the key in the ignition! I'm glad he was OK.
I was gonna say this. You don't just go and wait forever till the plane takes off. What if it doesn't? Silly.
@@bb-skyBecause of poor planning and a late decision.
I have about 3500 hours in Lance's, from bank check days. Both T's and straights. Those T-tails were always a little tricky. I didn't like them near as well as the straights.
I saw NO FLAPS.
None of what you stated a single thing to do with the incident. But thanks for proving you have never been a pilot and have no clue what you are talking about.
There is a 70/50 rule If you are not at 70% of your lift off speed at 50% of the available runway shut it down and try again.
Standing water on the runway?
Try again…?,
Try flaps.. reduce weight, wait for cooler temps etc.
If you own 70% more than 50% of your IQ, don't fly a plane.
Flaps 10 deg in those conditions
That's only true 40% of the time. The other half depends on wind direction.
Dude didn’t do his homework. It’s gonna be a very expensive lesson.
Why I’m pysical tonight
Flaps are critical for additional lift earlier in the take off roll- which is exactly what you need when grass is slowing your acceleration
Flaps are for bots
@@pantherplatform flaps are for clapping 👏
Technically you only need lift at the end of the takeoff
@@thewhitefalcon8539 true on pavement where drag from the runway is minimal. Not true on grass with small wheels where you want to minimize the weight of the airplane (ie increase lift) as soon as possible on the roll because that full weight on grass is holding you back - big time!
@@thewhitefalcon8539 you want to take off faster tho
Pilot forgot to plug his brain in the night before for a full charge.
probably got a good lay and was too busy remembering it instead of thinking about his plane.
Someone should tell him about flaps
I’m glad a lot of people saw that he wasn’t using any flaps especially on grass 😵💫
Beat me to it.
thot i wasn't seeing what seemed obvious...
Exactly, does the pilot have a license?
He must have skipped that class on Soft/Short Field techniques! Flaps anyone? Slight back pressure on the yoke anyone?
Turbo P32R. They require a stage of flap for a normal take off. And the T-tail model has less control authority due to being positioned above the slipstream. Unfortunately, sluggish acceleration is sometimes difficult to detect. Pre-takeoff safety brief should cover this. Possibly used to flying off long, paved runways. Short, water logged grass strip had the odds stacked against him. It’s a terrible feeling when you know you’re running out of runway.
"he gon reck it" was the best part
Yep he wrecked it.
I lived in a small neighborhood like this in North Pole AK. I very much liked NOT having to pay airport & ramp fees
Which was your favorite reindeer? 😂
No flap on grass???
My opinion too. No flaps caused the accident.
I agree. Any pilot with common sense taking off of a runway made of wet grass with a 20-foot obstacle at the end will use flaps set for short field takeoff setting.
What is not known if he also employed soft fiend techniques combined with short fiend takeoff.
Glad someone else caught that
I saw episodes of air crash and I was amazed at the number of fatal accidents due to pilots forgetting to put the flaps in the take-off position
this is the first thing that any pilot must do before any takeoff after start-up
flaps flaps flaps
He should have put it to 20 degrees
His wallet had a “really bad day.”
Flaps would have prevented this all day long.
Some people need to get to their destinations real fast!
Sorry, but you don't know that unless you have the performance charts, a/c weight, obstacle data, wind, and density altitude at that time.
@@tenpilotohe’s taking off on grass. He needs flaps.
10o all day. It was the first thing I looked for when replaying it.
@@tenpilotoyou can clearly see they had no flaps deployed for takeoff
When in doubt, don't. Especially in flying❤
Unfamiliar wet grass runways call for short field takeoffs every time. This plane was in a clean configuration as if it was on pavement. He was not set up for success.
You mean soft field takeoff
@@BigLucs soft and short are two different methods.
@@TB-um1xzto hell with getting stuck, I’d pick short field and get off well before the muddy mess those sprinklers are bound to make.
@@kombolasha I guess you don't know what a soft field takeoff is.
@@kombolashasoft field and short are both 10 degrees of flaps, but soft is yoke back until you see the plane wheelie up, then release a little yoke and as the plane lifts off, push the nose down to gain speed before climbing out above the obstacle. Short field is a normal take-off with flaps, but much more ground roll, which isn't necessary on a wet runway like this. No reason not to do short field.
Clint Eastwood " dirty harry" said it beat best man got to know his limitations!!!😅 😂
No flaps and partial throttle or a problem getting to full throttle…self inflicted
I was looking like he has no flaps set
I agree I noticed no flaps as well
OK yeah but...hidden obstacle?..was it the standing water?
@bigteam6919 Sprinklers would have undoubtedly made soft ground..but it looks like there's a couple times when the spray coming up from the tires..pops up...did hitting berms of water..large puddles..arrest speed?
Including other factors..
This is a classic example of not having planned the takeoff, no matter how routine
Prior planning prevents piss poor performance
He probably didn’t practice soft-field take off with flaps, during his PPL days. 😎
Ppl bot
In his defense.
If I was unsure whether I'd make it past the trees in the air, I'd rather hit them on the ground.
Absolutely. Aborting was a good decision. It was the only good decision, but the most important one.
@@ZC.Andrewwell is not that after a certain V speed you are obliged to rotate with some aircrafts ??
@@Kassiusday That concept does exist and is called the V1 speed also known as decision speed. It mainly only applies to jets though with multiple engines since in the event of an engine failure, their remaining engine is more then powerful enough to continue the takeoff safely. Smaller aircraft on the other hand tend to not have that luxury so crashing it as "safely" as possible is your best option.
Actually the tops of the trees are softer.
@LTV_inc yes but the ground is hard. Where you'll likely end up, and on fire. 😂
Those pesky elevation changes will jump right out when you least expect them … It’s almost like there should be some directory of airport facilities or something … if only that existed
Hey that s a good idea! You should make a book of em all or somethin
@@rohanbaty3155 book? LOL, I’m 51, you must be older than that if you think “books” are still used. 🤣🤣
But it's downhill. That helps you, not hinders.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 I just had to use a book full of chart supplements on my PPL checkride 😅😅😅
I love how the people just calmly say “ he wrecked it” like it happens every day 😂
Short/soft field takeoff procedures really need increased emphasis in initial training nowadays.
It is people just forget about their importance and get complacent
I know that for larger aircraft that gave two or more engines, there is a speed called V1, meaning that you must either have made a “go” decision for the takeoff or already taking action to abort the takeoff. I think it’s different for the small lightweight aircraft that have only one engine. There must be a point to where once you meet certain criteria in terms of speed and distance, you must continue with the takeoff.
His flaps were no set so he got no lift
Planes can take off without them, just takes longer. That's a problem when space is limited.
@@steilkurbler4973When getting your ppl you practice soft field takeoffs and landings. You are supposed to deploy flaps and not be in a clean configuration. This pilot is at fault
@@finncurran That's right, but the wing generates lift no matter what the ground surface is. Soft fields just have much more drag to overcome to build up airspeed. IIRC the rule of thumb was around 40% than hard surface runways. You can still take off without flaps, it just takes way longer, which is a problem when space is limited.
That’s not how aerodynamics work…
@@RandyMarsh-nu6lo extended flaps do generate more lift, but they also induce more drag.
Sadly I know someone who died in a plane crash 😢 R. I. P.
Yez😢
Better then him panicking and rotating then still not clearing the trees and stall spinning it into the terrain. So that was the better decision he made.
One hundred percent. A ground base, the board beats taking an emergency into the air below V1 rotation speed.
As others have said, there's an error on display here by not having flaps deployed. But the judgment in aborting the take off was smart.
The person narrating makes it sound like the runway changed during take off. This is a clear case of poor planning. I'm glad the pilot is okay.
A proof that not all pilots has all what it takes to carry the responsibility of flying hundreds of passengers in an airliner
First, don't try to take off in mid day. 2nd, do your performance take off calculations. Lesson learned
T/O Flaps????
At least it wasnt like the botswana crash where 3 people died after a plane crashed into a building
That was my airplane, it was my pride and joy, life long dream plane. My friend destroyed it and I lost $70,000 . Never under insure your plane
Oh man, I can feel the pain in your comment. Are you still friends?
Sorry to hear. Good lesson about insurance.
Sorry friend. Hope some things go your way.
Had your friend operated this aircraft from that field before?
Flaps!? And yes, I'm a pilot for both: helicopters and fixedwing... just makes sense!
That's a golf club . Not a runway.
As a pilot who knows a lot of drunken surgeons ....I know this .
The pilot aborted early enough not to lose his life. We're all human. Even experienced 5,000 hour pilots are prone to make major mistakes. The pilot got the most important part right, and that involved deliberately crashing it. There's nothing 'instinctive' here - many pilots have died in similar circumstances, being mentally unprepared to call such a decision.
taking off in wet runway will quickly dimish take off distance
I think you mean extend the takeoff distance. Lol. Having no flaps also does not help. Bad combo.
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Online pilot classes!!!!???....😂
Wouldn't you walk the runway first? Like if I'm not sure my car will clear a bump, I go check it out, and thats driving 2 dimensionally - I'd probably be out there with yard stick and surveying tools if I had to lift a plane off a grass strip
That big spray coming up about halfway through the takeoff run is proof that those sprinklers caused a flooded area. That is standing water which increases drag significantly. That could have made all the difference if it was dry.
Stupid is as Stupid does
For all the people saying that flaps wouls have prevented the accident; ..im assuming that what you mean to say is: treat this as a soft-field take off, set your flaps, apply brake, max throttle, release brakes, apply back pressure, get your wheels off the ground asap, fly in ground effect , then upon reaching takeoff speed, pull back and fly Vx
This is wrong, you NEVER apply brakes and stop on a soft field. I hope you’re not just mixing together short field and soft field together. Soft field you constantly roll and never stop so you don’t potentially get stuck in the grass….
@@ChaseB1896 (duh) yes, you are absolutely correct..i mixed both up!! Thankyou
This is why you don't smoke a doobie before flying for a second tyme
Because you can start the engine, that doesn't make you a pilot..
Idk what the winds were, but the tree line at the side he left from were way shorter lol. Flaps obviously since it's a soft field. Idk what the POH says for his plane though...
This pilot was just a rich kid without experience
See, he wasn't stubborn, nor arrogant, and didn't let his EGO get in the way and lived to see another day. This should be a training video for all future private plane pilots.
No flaps and get your speed up to take off. Then add flaps and you will Pop the grass. This works great I do this all the time.
When your drunk neighbor wants to show off his plane.
Always read everything about the runways.
Short grassy runway, t-tail, maybe density altitude or poor planning crunched that poor bird.
NO pilot.....
Just as thick as two short wings...!!
Folks saying this isn’t a good runway, it’s beautiful and far more than adequate for these types of aircraft.
All the drugs on board was too much weight for that runway.
Looks more akin to a golf course than anything the FAA would designate a “runway”
“Where you can taxi up to your own front door”
Taylor Swift is going to find this completely normal 😂😂😂
Texas seems to have a lot of Florida Man traits lately.
Taxi on grass, that’s like skydiving without a parachute
“He gon’ wreck it.”
“Yep he wrecked it.”
For a soft field takeoff you need 10 degrees of flaps and you need to put the plane into ground effect to gain airspeed
Should have taken it airborne
Insurance aint gonna cover that 1
He will be paying for it out of his pocket!!😂😢
Thats why you do performance calcs before takeoff if there is any doubt whatsoever
He didnt even extend his flaps
being too timid is a thing ya gotta be confident enough to hit full power and pull up❤
“He’s gonnnnnna wreak it”😂😂😂😂
And that's why, you don't hire crop dusters from craigslist
As other people mentioned, he should have flapped his wings like a bird. You can see as he's passing by, he is not flapping his wings
Appears that he didnt have aft pressure on the elevators during takeoff roll. This takes the weight off the front gear and reduces rolling drag on grass strips....
For a minute there I thought there was going to be a spinosaurus
This is why you start from a full power static run as far back as possible. When the engine starts dragging the wheels - release the brakes.
"Fortunately nobody was hurt"
The plane itself: WELL THANKS
Glad they survived
being rich is not as easy as it looks
If you're unfamiliar with runway, how about taxing down the runway first. Assess requirements. Then attempt take off
I’m not a pilot but that runway looks bootleg 😏
Soft field takeoff's usually require the use of flaps plus MINIMAL nose pressure, unless the POH states differently.
When doing a soft field takeoff you lift off at rotation speed and hold ground effect until you can build up speed to hold Vy. If its s short soft field you use the Vx climb out speed and hold until clear of obstacle and decrease flaps incrementally holding a positive rate.
I did not see any of this from this pilot, also looked like no pre-takeoff briefing, and the pilot should have calculated their takeoff performance prior to the flight.
“nobody was hurt” the pilot: am I a joke to you?
That was one hell of a snowball of errors. Glad everyone lived.
Yes, this is one of the best video I've seen all year. Hat's off.
Wtf is wrong with people.
I'm still looking for that "runway" he mentions 29 times.
Still only see wet grass and trees, I think something here might be a problem? 🤔 🙄
“Unfortunately” no one was hurt.”
Bet that dude's bank account was hurt
Dear hit the breaks ,go 4 full throttle and once engine is full run , realise the break , again abrupt speed and take of consuming short distance.... Good head wind will further shorten take off distance
this aircraft was on a clean configuration which lead to this . had he been set up with flaps (dirty configuration) for a short/soft field takeoff, the outcome would’ve been a lot better .
It was 100F with minimal wind on a soft field. And he didn't use flaps. Complacency is a killer. Good news is he was the only one in the plane. No info on whether he had loaded any extra weight into the plane.
That "runway" looks like a disaster waiting to happen.
The best place to find free airplanes are in the bushes at the end of runways. I've taken home 3 free airplanes already just by scouring the bushes at my local state airports.
Airpark in Texas? Take a look at the density altitude my guy!
I hope that doesn't happen to me today because I'm going to Florida
What an excellent example of somebody never being taught soft field takeoff procedures.
Bless everyone stay safe and it’s such a blessing that they are safe ❤
A little turtle wax ? You back in business boss ! 😂
I love how people think that just because they can afford to own an aircraft and they can afford flying lessons, that makes them a pilot. 😂😂😂
thanks goodness for this narrator I wouldn’t know what was happening🙏
That was a Lance Turbo 300 HP Piper. Thats a $200K plane. It looks like he was taking off heavy or with a tail wind. You have to start stopping at the halfway point in the runway.
If I were him, having your flaps down at 10-20% would have probably helped with avoiding this accident.
Woman: "He wrecked it, he wrecked it"
Man: "He wrecked it".
Me: "Ya don't fuckin' say!"
Should have been a short field takeoff, which I'm pretty sure it wasn't, as you can see the flaps are fully retracted