Thanks for sharing this on UA-cam! Its rare to see a YT clip where the streamer doesnt win, to the point where even when things are looking grim I always think "well, they're going tonget out of this pickle somehow!" I love your uploads, thanks!
so im curious about titus vs 5th golden fish 13:45 With 5 fish Goldrinn gives 1x buff, +6/6 first golden fish gives 2x buff ((1)*2), is 12/12 (total buff is 18/18) 2nd fish gives 6x buff ((1+2)*2), 36/36 (total buff is 54/54) 3rd fish gives 18x buff ((1+2+6)*2), 108/108 (total buff is 162/162) 4th fish gives 54x buff (1+2+6+18)*2), 324/324 (total buff is 486/486) 5th fish gives 162x buff (1+2+6+18+54)*2), 972/972 (total buff is 1458/1458) This is however not what happens! it seems like the chameleon fish dont fully act like normal fish, and it seems they cap at adding 72 deathrattles This is what happened in combat: nr total buff Added buff Difference from previous Goldrinn 0 6 6 Fish 1 18 12 6 Fish 2 54 36 24 Fish 3 162 108 72 Fish 4 342 180 72 Fish 5 594 252 72 This is what should have happened: nr total buff Added buff Difference from previous Goldrinn 0 6 6 Fish 1 18 12 6 Fish 2 54 36 24 Fish 3 162 108 72 Fish 4 486 324 216 Fish 5 1458 972 648 Now with titus: Goldrinn gives 2x buff, +12/12 first golden fish gives 4x buff ((2)*2), is 24/24 (total buff is 36/36) 2nd fish gives 12x buff ((2+4)*2), 72/72 (total buff is 108/108) 3rd fish gives 36x buff ((2+4+12)*2), 216/216 (total buff is 324/324) 4th fish gives 108x buff ((2+4+12+36)*2), 648/648 (total buff is 972/972) Which is less then 5th golden fish, plus you lose the spawns from 5th fish Now about golden titus Goldrinn gives 3x buff, +18/18 first golden fish gives 6x buff ((3)*2), is 36/36 (total buff is 54/54) 2nd fish gives 18x buff ((3+6)*2), 108/108 (total buff is 162/162) 3rd fish gives 54x buff ((3+6+18)*2), 324/324 (total buff is 486/486) 4th fish gives 162x buff ((3+6+18+54)*2), 972/972 (total buff is 1458/1458) Which is equal stats to 5 golden fish, just more finicky (titus cannot die before all 4 fish die) and no spawns from 5th fish Normal titus: nr total buff Added buff Difference from previous Goldrinn 0 12 12 Fish 1 36 24 12 Fish 2 108 72 48 Fish 3 324 216 144 Fish 4 972 648 432 Golden Titus nr total buff Added buff Difference from previous Goldrinn 0 18 18 Fish 1 54 36 18 Fish 2 162 108 72 Fish 3 486 324 216 Fish 4 1458 972 648 Still not sure what happened with the chameleons capping at adding 72 buffs where they should have added 216 and 648 respectively
@@lukaswalter3783 seeing the order in which they died (one of the chameleons died before the 3rd real fish died) and that didnt impact it, i think its more likely a hardcoded limit to how much deathrattles can be added at a time to a golden fish. But without seeing blizzard spaghetti code we cant know for sure
I tried a fish comp yesterday with n’zoth, bomber trinket and faceless. Couldn’t get them golden or golden Titus, but even without it was alleready just so strong. My comp started with a leroy, guaranteeing every fish to be a leroy killing the big guys, two reborn golden bombers, two fish, chameleon and Titus. My opponent went to 1 health and then outstatted me unfortunately before I could golden any of the fish or Titus.
Sorry, can someone explain what happens at the 9:08min mark? All the gold is used. 0/10, and when the battle starts, there is 5/10 gold sitting in the bottom right. Where did the gold come from? The timer hits 0, and 4 cards are still in the hand.
Honestly i would cut off the 1 drop with the taunted 6 drop becaus it summons random beasts like mcaw and other strong deathratlles wich benifits the fish
what if they play sindorei and a low attack taunt? then if they get lucky, a few fish die before the goldrin. or maybe sunscreener (iirc i think that's the name of the card, divine shield to left 3 minions). the 1 attack taunt that summons 1 attack taunts probably would be a good counter combo with sindorei. you can run a lot of counter, bit of a gamble throwing away big minions, but if goldrin goes off late, fish build just melts. sindorei IMO was decent counter if you combo with other stuff. i could be totally wrong but it works in my head. not trying to be argumentative just IMO sindorei is legit
But iant leroy = win? All the fishes would copy the execute, which means 4 fishes=execute, so he is fighting versus 2 minions and there is a high chance that they will not land on 5 drop, making all his summons just to fight 2 cards which he would have damage for considering he got 7 300/300 from last fishes.
Each golden fish gains twice the deathrattles of minions that die, not twice the deathrattles that trigger. A fish is an exponential increase over the multiplicative of Titus
you had 1 spare golden fish in your hand! you could have played a Leeroy to deal with the demon guy and then put the golden fish back as if nothing happened
the worst thing you could do was selling titus. If you kept it, you would theorically have 6 fishes instead of 5, but you also had space for a leeroy (which you didn't play). The correct build, in my opinion, was leeroy, goldrin, mana beast, 3 fishes and titus. Also the "6" fishes with titus would have had their deathrattles multiplied by milion of times
and titus would be snipe and you would be sad sitting there thinking "Why tf did I tried to be a smart ass". and the summon deathrattle of fish would also a lot worst since you can not summon more that 7 minion. Now you have 3 summoner instead of 5. And as jeep said, it is mathematical impossible for the tius to be better, do the math yourself if you are in doubt, he is right. Titus double all deathrattle, the fish also take all deathrattle before it, including other fish, and double them all, fish is better.
1 2 6 18 54 162 2 4 12 36 108 here is the calculation. it is how many time goldren deadrattle got trigger. the one above is with 5 fish and the one below is 4 fish and titus. as you can see even with 4 fish + titus it is still worst than 5 fish.
@@thaoremchan9234 ok, let's assume your calculations are correct. you are forgetting something very important, which is that with 5 fishes you are not actually starting the game with 5, but rather with 3 plus 2 mimics that will become fishes later. So you are already losing a lot of stats, not to mention that even the mimics can be sniped before they become fishes and you'll be as sad as in the titus situation (and it did happen in this gameplay). But in the case of the 3 fishes plus titus you have 2 huge differences: you have leeroy (which therefore in the case of titus' premature death still allows you to have 4 free kills) and moreover you definitely have more stats because you did the math wrong. Let's leave them all ungolded so that the calculations are simpler: 5 fishes (assuming they already are all active, which in reality they are not): 1 (goldrin) + 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 = 33 4 fishes (risky because you'd have a mimic and it doesn't count untill it transforms, like the previous situation) + titus: 2 (goldrin) + 4 + 12 + 36 + 108 = 162 3 fishes + titus + leeroy: 2 (goldrin) + 4 + 12 + 36 = 54 But let's also see the situation with golden fishes and normal titus: 5 fishes (assuming they already are all active, which in reality they are not): 1 (goldrin) + 2 + 6 + 18 + 54 + 162 = 243 4 fishes (risky because you'd have a mimic and it doesn't count untill it transforms, like the previous situation) + titus: 2 (goldrin) + 8 + 40 + 200 + 1000 = 1250 3 fishes + titus + leeroy: 2 (goldrin) + 8 + 40 + 200 = 250 Don't forget that a golden fish triggers twice and titus makes it trigger twice again, so every fish triggers x4. Imagine having golden titus too. Eventually, for the manasabers, it doesn't matter if in the end you have 6 of them because of titus. Meanwhile you got 4 free kills plus, after each death of the fishes, they are bigger unlike the situation with 5 fishes in which at least 3 of them must die before the sabers become big (this goes for the 3+titus+leeroy situation). Or you'd have way more stats for the 4+titus situation. So, any situation with titus is way better than the one without him. Edit: I didn't consider that the mimics copy the fishes with the deathrattles on them, so they tecnically count as starting fishes. I'm sorry I didn't think about it, but the calculations are the ones i wrote, so nothing changes except you don't have stats loss.
@@jackgolfa that is not how the fish + titus interaction works. The fish does not copy the additional triggers of titus. It only looks for the deathrattles on dieing cards not on how often they got triggered. Therefor if you stack multiple fish titus only adds an overall *2 not a *2 each time a fish dies.
Imagine knowing fully well what your opponent is playing and yet not playing the card that ensures you either win the game or at least get to the final fight 😂, and still malding at the outcome. What a clown.
The chameleon snipe is so sad, i wanted to see this goofy build win
would have lost anyways i did the math
@@zacnewford Would have won with leroy over chameleon, sad
@@Nuvizzle tru
i've never seen jeef this angry before
Damn. That is wild as hell. You can tell how pissed he is by the end
the table slam was personal
This game will do that to you. Happened to me last night
Minnions at the far right have invisible taunt when there is no other taunt.
And he’s 100% pissed because it would’ve been an even bigger banger for yt, not because he lost XD
@@shadownin1188 it feels that way sometimes
Respect for the 5 fish build. Easy first with that Leroy.
the edits showing the picture of whatever jeefs is saying was really nice. It's good to be able to keep up with his train of thoughts
Not only he gets sniped, but the guy that did it also sniped a summon earlier which let them live. RIP
Leeroy smiling in your hand with a drop of tear
Bad for rating, terrific for content. Thank you for your sacrifice :)
risky with that open hit.. great meme game, very much enjoyed it!
Thanks for sharing this on UA-cam! Its rare to see a YT clip where the streamer doesnt win, to the point where even when things are looking grim I always think "well, they're going tonget out of this pickle somehow!"
I love your uploads, thanks!
ahh yes hearthstone at its finest 20:26
Thank you for committing to the meme brother. The hero we need.
it seems unusual to see jeef making fun plays instead of optimal ones
Bruh that made me mad he didn’t just immediately cut chameleon for 5 free Leeroy procs
Is this the "Aquarium" build?
so im curious about titus vs 5th golden fish 13:45
With 5 fish
Goldrinn gives 1x buff, +6/6
first golden fish gives 2x buff ((1)*2), is 12/12 (total buff is 18/18)
2nd fish gives 6x buff ((1+2)*2), 36/36 (total buff is 54/54)
3rd fish gives 18x buff ((1+2+6)*2), 108/108 (total buff is 162/162)
4th fish gives 54x buff (1+2+6+18)*2), 324/324 (total buff is 486/486)
5th fish gives 162x buff (1+2+6+18+54)*2), 972/972 (total buff is 1458/1458)
This is however not what happens! it seems like the chameleon fish dont fully act like normal fish, and it seems they cap at adding 72 deathrattles
This is what happened in combat:
nr total buff Added buff Difference from previous
Goldrinn 0 6 6
Fish 1 18 12 6
Fish 2 54 36 24
Fish 3 162 108 72
Fish 4 342 180 72
Fish 5 594 252 72
This is what should have happened:
nr total buff Added buff Difference from previous
Goldrinn 0 6 6
Fish 1 18 12 6
Fish 2 54 36 24
Fish 3 162 108 72
Fish 4 486 324 216
Fish 5 1458 972 648
Now with titus:
Goldrinn gives 2x buff, +12/12
first golden fish gives 4x buff ((2)*2), is 24/24 (total buff is 36/36)
2nd fish gives 12x buff ((2+4)*2), 72/72 (total buff is 108/108)
3rd fish gives 36x buff ((2+4+12)*2), 216/216 (total buff is 324/324)
4th fish gives 108x buff ((2+4+12+36)*2), 648/648 (total buff is 972/972)
Which is less then 5th golden fish, plus you lose the spawns from 5th fish
Now about golden titus
Goldrinn gives 3x buff, +18/18
first golden fish gives 6x buff ((3)*2), is 36/36 (total buff is 54/54)
2nd fish gives 18x buff ((3+6)*2), 108/108 (total buff is 162/162)
3rd fish gives 54x buff ((3+6+18)*2), 324/324 (total buff is 486/486)
4th fish gives 162x buff ((3+6+18+54)*2), 972/972 (total buff is 1458/1458)
Which is equal stats to 5 golden fish, just more finicky (titus cannot die before all 4 fish die) and no spawns from 5th fish
Normal titus:
nr total buff Added buff Difference from previous
Goldrinn 0 12 12
Fish 1 36 24 12
Fish 2 108 72 48
Fish 3 324 216 144
Fish 4 972 648 432
Golden Titus
nr total buff Added buff Difference from previous
Goldrinn 0 18 18
Fish 1 54 36 18
Fish 2 162 108 72
Fish 3 486 324 216
Fish 4 1458 972 648
Still not sure what happened with the chameleons capping at adding 72 buffs where they should have added 216 and 648 respectively
I think the chameleon didnt cap but rather became fish later in the fight. So he couldn’t get the first few buffs.
@@lukaswalter3783 seeing the order in which they died (one of the chameleons died before the 3rd real fish died) and that didnt impact it, i think its more likely a hardcoded limit to how much deathrattles can be added at a time to a golden fish.
But without seeing blizzard spaghetti code we cant know for sure
I tried a fish comp yesterday with n’zoth, bomber trinket and faceless. Couldn’t get them golden or golden Titus, but even without it was alleready just so strong. My comp started with a leroy, guaranteeing every fish to be a leroy killing the big guys, two reborn golden bombers, two fish, chameleon and Titus. My opponent went to 1 health and then outstatted me unfortunately before I could golden any of the fish or Titus.
20:26 i feel your pain bro 😅😅
20:16 first time I watch this guy no calm anymore😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Great game, only mistake was selling Titus and not replacing mana saver with the tier 6 beast that summons 3
mana saber is better, and so is the 5th fish if he decides to play leeroy
Sorry, can someone explain what happens at the 9:08min mark? All the gold is used. 0/10, and when the battle starts, there is 5/10 gold sitting in the bottom right. Where did the gold come from? The timer hits 0, and 4 cards are still in the hand.
Used this today, it was fun HAHAHA
punished for not using Leeroy 🤣
@@arthena2130isnt Leroy workingwith every fish making it easy win vs stats?
@@arthena2130 Wrong, upper hand hit a big demon and the guy still has drakari on the board. 5 leroy kills the rest of his board.
never heard you mad :c
This board is the coolest one ive seen tho, so dont worry, my like you have
Damn we got to see jeef rage on youtube before gta 6
Oooh, I feel your pain...
But this game was really cool and intresting!
Honestly i would cut off the 1 drop with the taunted 6 drop becaus it summons random beasts like mcaw and other strong deathratlles wich benifits the fish
What a cool bizarre comp!
Just a theoretical question but, wouldnt sindorei really mess with this board? Or is sindorei not in non undead lobbies
Sindorei is trash against this build because there is no reborn and the taunt minions aren’t that important as long as goldrinn dies like he should
what if they play sindorei and a low attack taunt? then if they get lucky, a few fish die before the goldrin. or maybe sunscreener (iirc i think that's the name of the card, divine shield to left 3 minions). the 1 attack taunt that summons 1 attack taunts probably would be a good counter combo with sindorei. you can run a lot of counter, bit of a gamble throwing away big minions, but if goldrin goes off late, fish build just melts. sindorei IMO was decent counter if you combo with other stuff. i could be totally wrong but it works in my head. not trying to be argumentative just IMO sindorei is legit
@@gerggergungson7885 yes this is good like you noticed how goldrinn was causing issues for not dying because of the drakari
He runs like a God and gets a bit of bad luck that could have been avoided and instantly rages about it lol.
Cool stuff
He was guaranted win with leroy though. He was punished. But I don’t blame him I would have done the same.
one reborn at any time for that goldrin, or even a fish before the manasaber some rounds could've been the difference. That's rough
First jeef video ever where he doesn't get first?? What a plot twist
But iant leroy = win? All the fishes would copy the execute, which means 4 fishes=execute, so he is fighting versus 2 minions and there is a high chance that they will not land on 5 drop, making all his summons just to fight 2 cards which he would have damage for considering he got 7 300/300 from last fishes.
You should have pulled the leeroey man 😢
off-topic to video but last night I had Flurgl Hero and got the lesser trinket to give me their Hero Power also. lol - I couldn't keep up.
You know demons are a problem when you can have 5 golden fish with gold goldrinn and STILL lose
That's just because he didn't play Leeroy
Why on earth you spent 3 golds to Natural blessing like in four last turna? That was completely useless or am i missing something?
It was in case of a golden blaster which would one shot one of the fish
Perhapse if that chamilion was a Leroy the game would have been different
the combat vexes me
Bro, imagine not using Leeroy.
Why sell Titus? Doesn’t that make him twice as strong
Each golden fish gains twice the deathrattles of minions that die, not twice the deathrattles that trigger. A fish is an exponential increase over the multiplicative of Titus
@@techwizsmith7963 well said
-15 KEKW
Every full fish game sucks in the end and it is not so bad
you had 1 spare golden fish in your hand! you could have played a Leeroy to deal with the demon guy and then put the golden fish back as if nothing happened
Should’ve just rolled leapfrogger, fake pro 💀
It was removed
That was deserved
That chameleon card is garbage
Did you watch the video?
Also with pirates you can easily trigger it, esentially giving you a high value card for free (if you have any).
@@DanteKrystal in this case it was better to sell chameleon and go with leeroy tbh, but i agrre with you, chameleon is a good card
@@PapaPopa971 yeah it was for the youtube in the end haha
@@bertschnitzel1559 oh yeah, i agree, having fun >>> boosting mmr
It's tri-gore not triggor
No doombot comp bad comp
booo the leeeeeroy = insta win...you gave into the peer pressures.
Throw
lmaoo
No views at 7s. Jeef fell off 😢
OMG so funny 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
ur so funny man. haha.
Hahahaha comedian alert 😂😂😂🎉🎉😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
What’s the point of having chameleon when you can just put the golden fish that literally already does the job?…
You dare to say this is so f unlucky?! Are you for real? There is literally no person in this entire universe with more luck in hs bg like you!!!
the worst thing you could do was selling titus. If you kept it, you would theorically have 6 fishes instead of 5, but you also had space for a leeroy (which you didn't play). The correct build, in my opinion, was leeroy, goldrin, mana beast, 3 fishes and titus. Also the "6" fishes with titus would have had their deathrattles multiplied by milion of times
and titus would be snipe and you would be sad sitting there thinking "Why tf did I tried to be a smart ass". and the summon deathrattle of fish would also a lot worst since you can not summon more that 7 minion. Now you have 3 summoner instead of 5. And as jeep said, it is mathematical impossible for the tius to be better, do the math yourself if you are in doubt, he is right. Titus double all deathrattle, the fish also take all deathrattle before it, including other fish, and double them all, fish is better.
1 2 6 18 54 162
2 4 12 36 108
here is the calculation. it is how many time goldren deadrattle got trigger. the one above is with 5 fish and the one below is 4 fish and titus. as you can see even with 4 fish + titus it is still worst than 5 fish.
@@thaoremchan9234 ok, let's assume your calculations are correct. you are forgetting something very important, which is that with 5 fishes you are not actually starting the game with 5, but rather with 3 plus 2 mimics that will become fishes later. So you are already losing a lot of stats, not to mention that even the mimics can be sniped before they become fishes and you'll be as sad as in the titus situation (and it did happen in this gameplay). But in the case of the 3 fishes plus titus you have 2 huge differences: you have leeroy (which therefore in the case of titus' premature death still allows you to have 4 free kills) and moreover you definitely have more stats because you did the math wrong.
Let's leave them all ungolded so that the calculations are simpler:
5 fishes (assuming they already are all active, which in reality they are not):
1 (goldrin) + 1 + 2 + 4 + 8 + 16 = 33
4 fishes (risky because you'd have a mimic and it doesn't count untill it transforms, like the previous situation) + titus:
2 (goldrin) + 4 + 12 + 36 + 108 = 162
3 fishes + titus + leeroy:
2 (goldrin) + 4 + 12 + 36 = 54
But let's also see the situation with golden fishes and normal titus:
5 fishes (assuming they already are all active, which in reality they are not):
1 (goldrin) + 2 + 6 + 18 + 54 + 162 = 243
4 fishes (risky because you'd have a mimic and it doesn't count untill it transforms, like the previous situation) + titus:
2 (goldrin) + 8 + 40 + 200 + 1000 = 1250
3 fishes + titus + leeroy:
2 (goldrin) + 8 + 40 + 200 = 250
Don't forget that a golden fish triggers twice and titus makes it trigger twice again, so every fish triggers x4. Imagine having golden titus too.
Eventually, for the manasabers, it doesn't matter if in the end you have 6 of them because of titus. Meanwhile you got 4 free kills plus, after each death of the fishes, they are bigger unlike the situation with 5 fishes in which at least 3 of them must die before the sabers become big (this goes for the 3+titus+leeroy situation). Or you'd have way more stats for the 4+titus situation. So, any situation with titus is way better than the one without him.
Edit: I didn't consider that the mimics copy the fishes with the deathrattles on them, so they tecnically count as starting fishes. I'm sorry I didn't think about it, but the calculations are the ones i wrote, so nothing changes except you don't have stats loss.
@@jackgolfa that is not how the fish + titus interaction works. The fish does not copy the additional triggers of titus. It only looks for the deathrattles on dieing cards not on how often they got triggered. Therefor if you stack multiple fish titus only adds an overall *2 not a *2 each time a fish dies.
@@VonTimmelandDer42 damn you are right, I've never noticed it. sorry, i misread the card
Imagine knowing fully well what your opponent is playing and yet not playing the card that ensures you either win the game or at least get to the final fight 😂, and still malding at the outcome. What a clown.
Imagine imagining an imagination of an image.
Yeah exactly
dumb comp