Jim Cornette on Matt Cardona Not Liking The Term "Jobber"
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- From Episode 155 of Jim Cornette's Drive Thru
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The same internet marks he speaks against now were the ones that made him get super over that late part of 2011 because only those internet marks were watching his UA-cam videos
Was about to comment that. How ironic that he's calling 'marks' out when he only got over by them watching his garbage UA-cam show.
It's the same bunch of weaboos who jerk off to AEW now.
@@AliSubhi-xs4rn His youtube show was actually good, until WWE killed it as soon as they started controlling it
It must eat him up knowing that without his UA-cam show nobody gave a squirt of piss about him.
As annoying as that is, it is consistent with WWE. That was the same company that was gushing about twitter every five minutes on Raw while mocking its own fanbase as internet nerds. That was the company that told the fans to go on their website and vote, and then called them internet nerds because they voted for things they didn't want like Low Ki and Bryan Danielson.
I'd have expected Zack Ryder to be better than that, considering he was something the so called internet nerds wanted that TOUT shilling WWE was ready to forget and bury, but it turns out Ryder really was a product of that company through and through. The internet is great, until people using it start expressing opinions other than our own, or simply react in a way we did not anticipate. So here's my opinion; Yoshi Tatsu no worse than Ryder and no amount of youtube shows could change that.
So now he is ashamed of his Roots!
His roots 😂😂😂🤣🤣...stop you're gonna burst my hernia!!
💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
I mean, if a jobber goes somewhere else and is getting a push where we are supposed to take him seriously, he would definitely be ashamed of what he was in WWE
Ashamed of his roots lmfoa 😁😁😁
@@maddognogood8346 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Are these the same "marks" who made him an internet darling once upon a time?
The same marks that gave him a career, even if he has always being below average.
Yes. Smart marks cannibalize the business. They pretend that they're the final authority on what is and what isn't something. They cry about caring about the health of the performers, but complain about not seeing enough blood, head bumps, or dangerous dives. They want women's wrestling to be taken more seriously, but also want women to go back to being objects. They use industry terminology wrong all the time. They talk about people IN the business like they know them personally and speak to what they would or would not do. Smart marks are a cancer.
@@al5306 Funny thing is they call themselfs "smarks" (smart marks lol) so they think they are smarter than the average fan.
I have more respect for a clueless casual than an obsessed fanatic.
The same type of fans that would give Orange Cassidy vs a small bag of peanuts 4 1/2 stars. Half a star lost because it wouldn't be in Japan
@@RandalfElVikingo 100%. Couldn't agree with you more. Thank you.
Sshhh... *whispering* he doesn't like being reminded what he is.
Exactly. First thing I thought of when I started the video was “of course he doesn’t like the term jobber, he’s always been a jobber!”
hope people doesn't start spamming "jobber" on his twitter handle now, because they know he hates the term
Although it would be really funny if it happened 😂😂
Denial is more than just a river in Egypt.
😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣
When you lose, you do a job. When you're an "enhancement talent" your job is to lose to more or less everyone. To "job" to them. You are a jobber. It isn't an insult, it's a description of the job.
Fact
@Stephen Joens My point is that he is missing the point. This would be like a garbageman/woman taking umbrage at being called a garbageman/woman or banker for being called a banker. They collect garbage, they work at a bank. It's a description of the job. There's no shame in being a jobber. Not everyone can be a top star and jobbers are vital cogs in the wrestling machine. And if you think you can be more and want to try, I don't knock someone for going to another company (particularly one where his friend is an executive nepotism nudge nudge?) to try to get a better deal for himself. Doesn't change the facts of what a jobber is and that that is what he was as Zack Ryder in the WWE.
No it definitely got twisted into an insult over the years lmao
I think the term is self explanatory. But the term isn’t good for an active talent if they have any hope to ever elevate in their career. If they’re seen as jobbers then what realistic chance is there they ever ride to a new level. I can see why you’d be insulted but the reason being because you dislike being at that level more than there being an actual issue with the name itself.
Even when you “win”, you do a job. Doing a “job” meant that you were dependable enough to do whatever the promoter told you to do, no questions asked. Being called a good “job” guy got twisted over the years due to jealousy from guys who were the shits and only ever went on to train other shitty guys and so on, so it got conflated with the carny term of jabroni, which is the old school term for “enhancement talent”.
The Ultimate Jobber being offended by the term lol.
In his defense he was a Jobber as punishment for getting himself over.
@@calikid05 Yeah, he even outshined The Rock at MSG one time.
And he was also smart with his momentum: created a You Tube channel that grew without WWE support, then created another with WWE support and was successful on both. But on the ring he was just one dimensional.
Justin Sharpe yeh but being chanted by fans when your not on TV does mean your over.
I didn't know the Brooklyn Brawler had commented on this issue.
@@calikid05 no, he was a jobber, he sucked
dude was a jobber lol he is just portraying himself and deny it at the same time. This is actually called being delusional
Wait what? He was jobbed out for the major part of his career in wwe. Yea miz is also getting jobbed out, but also gets pushed then and there.
@Stephen Joens yea ic champ for 1 day and getting jobbed out the next day. Lol.
@Stephen Joens yep not denying. His run ended with his wrestlemania main event
Stephen Joens the miz is a jobber
Hating the term "jobber" sounds like something a jobber would do.
Agreed
Hehe
Someone whom has no self awareness and is not down to earth
It's like racism jobber is offensive to enhancement talent, as choppy choppy pee pee is offensive to the little weiny peeps lol
Funny thing is Duane Gill probably has more respect in the wrestling business than Cardona does.
He sure does. Dude is legendary. Not everyone can be on the upper card. He was the best at doing a job.
@@dickbicycle9304 Yep, and they served a good purpose in getting people over.
He has a garage full of wrestling toys, he's the ultimate mark. He teamed with a guy who's gimmick it was to be on a losing streak.
The guy also embraced the losing streak gimmick. He even said that the spectacle of it got him over and that’s all it mattered to him
@@jafet7965 its not like he choose that gimmick though
[EDD] that’s WWE
Wwe teamed them up though 😂😂😂
That’s truth! He let the writers dupe him into tagging with that goof and accepted it.
I worked on TV as a jobber. I got a handshake, a "thank you" and respect from the star I put over. Then the promoter put money in my hand. Cardona should STFU.
Exactly, jobbing is essential to the wrestling business and you have to put your opponent over and make then look good. You do your work and get paid
Matt Cardona has been a jobber for most of his career though.
Javy 22 I approve that statement
He is a glorified jobber
All of it near enough he has done a job more than had it done for him
That's why it touched a nerve
Sometimes it's best not to say anything. I hope he is called jobber all the time from now on
Of course he doesnt like “jobber” hes been one his entire career
He tried to get over on his own through internet videos i think. WWE like oh no you can't be over .We gotta bury you. And they have been.
No matter how people try to twist this, nobody will able to take away from him that he won the WWE Intercontinental Title at WrestleMania.
@@JonasDygd And then loses it a day later
@@karanrawat835 he wasn't their long-term plan but they still decided to give him a WM moment. Just go ahead and keep shitting on a guy who takes the business seriously and doesn't want to be labelled a jobber (as opposed to others who treat the entire business as a joke)... good idea
@@JonasDygd I don't care if WWE was nice enough to give him a WrestleMania moment, if the guy is gonna win a belt out of nowhere and then loses it the next day, that moment no longer matters and that doesn't establish as a wrestler to be taken seriously, even more so when he hasn't accomplished anything for 3 years afterwards. And by your logic, Curt Hawkins got his WrestleMania moment by winning the Tag Team Championship despite losing every match before this. So you can't call him a jobber too. But please, get upset over people calling him a jobber and laughing at him for saying something very stupid
“Internet marks”
**Had a belt called the Internet Championship and collects toys**
Of course he doesn’t like the term ‘Jobber’. Gary Glitter probably doesn’t like the term ‘Paedo’
*REEEE* I believe the term is "youth enthusiast"
BURN lol
Oof, ouch!
If you're offended by a *"Jobber"* then you are one.
The sad thing is I used to love him. Now he’s become a male Karen.
@@TheDBZEDITOR The male version of a Karen is a "Ken," named after the one and only Costco Ken. 😂
@@TheDBZEDITOR
Yep.
Metalhead Gamer
I’d still call him Karen just to make him mad.
he's right to a degree, the term jobber was created when they had squash matches. they would have guys come in for tv, they would make the star look good and he wasn't on the full time roster.
Matt Cordona mentions Dwayne Gill was a jobber, but not Gilberg.
🤦 *SMH* Not wonder WWE didn't push this guy.
Not trying to be an asshole but it's Duane. Not everyone spells Duane the same as Rocky Johnson
He’s mad cause Gillberg was actually more over than he ever was
@@FightM1lk
*Gilllberg! Gilllberg! Gilllberg!* *Gilllberg! Gilllberg! Gilllberg!*
*Gilllberg! Gilllberg! Gilllberg!* *Gilllberg! Gilllberg! Gilllberg!*
*Gilllberg! Gilllberg! Gilllberg!* *Gilllberg! Gilllberg! Gilllberg!*
*Gilllberg! Gilllberg! Gilllberg!* *Gilllberg! Gilllberg! Gilllberg!*
Duane "Gillberg" Gill actually resembled Howard Finkel.B.W.
@@jeffreymark475 huh... I've met two guys called Dwayne and never heard of that spelling outside of Gill. TIL I guess
Super shout out to the Mulkey Brothers, Iron Mike Sharpe, Brady Boone, Lee Scott and Barry Horowitz.
Also Ray Traylor, who lost his jobber status when he took Tully's slingshot suplex. Dusty pulled him off TV and retooled him as Cornette's bodyguard.
I mean, didn’t he remember The Job Squad in the late 90’s? Pin me, pay me!
1-2-3 For LIFE!
ALL those guys were on the BOTTOM of the card, but it was probably shitstain's idea.
There was literally a WWF stable called the JOB SQUAD
Scorpio, Al Snow, Bob Holly & Duane Gill
You never see big stars like regins and lensar say stuff like this, because they aren't jobbers. Cardona is only offended because he was a jobber for years on tv, and now that he left wwe, he wants to be taken ultra seriously. He was a jobber for years, and can't let it go.
The Rock was one of the boys that said "jabroni" that came from jobber and now is an official word. Plus Nick Jackson called Adam Page a jobber in ROH.
I like how Travis gave Cardona the extra overdone tan, lol.
It’s the little details lol
I know right I noticed it too lo
Lol
😁😁😁
Google his dad
That's a Job guy in denial...hahaha
I don't listen to a guy who spends 50 grand on action figures
You gotta be joking .
Yeah dildos are a much better investment, you should know.
He became so soft... honestly.
SJW'S Ruin Everything!
Yes, I’m aware of this. 👀
Hes probably not using any AI on his roid cycle making him more sensitive lol
S.A.W.F.T.....
always was lol
Ryder bragged about blocking people in a table for 3 episode. What a douche
I gotta say Matt Cardona looks better than I ever remember him looking in WWE, shame he sounds like a softy.
That's because everyone is 3 inches shorter in AEW
@Marcel Woerlee I bet that what he's doing now they don't test in aew
That woo-woo-woo nonsense witHis father NEVER sounded good.
a jobber being offended by the term jobber, why am I not surprised XD.
If you don't like being called a jobber, stop being one...
I wouldn't call his career a failure, his music was played at WrestleMania 32 and he won the intercontinental championship at WrestleMania the same way that Razor Ramon did. 2011 and 2012 were his best years
Can’t say he failed. He failed in the sense that he wasn’t at a level he may have wanted to be. But can’t really call it failing for a guy who was on the active roster for basically 12 years in the WWE (2008-2020 I think). But what does suck for him is that there were times where fans really wanted him to be moved up and they never really did it for him. I’m not saying he would’ve been a top star but I don’t think it’s a stretch that has they backed him on those occasions he could’ve been a strong mid level guy on TV regularly.
He's the ultimate jobber so of course he doesn't like it.
If he's offended by the term why on earth did he join a company where most of the talent looks like they would be one?
Most of AEW's talent *are* glorified jobbers
SLAYERRRRRRRR!!!!!
I wonder why a jobber doesnt like the term jobber?
Would the term “ham and egger” be less offensive to the Broski? Lol
In New Japan, the rookies aka Young Lions are always losing to established talent and whenever they’re booked to compete in tag team matches, they always get pinned. After months of paying their dues, they are sent on excursions where they learn the business even further and they come back to become better wrestlers and top tier talent i.e. Okada, Naito, Jay White, Hiromu Takahashi and Evil as well as Roppongi 3K
Donut Life New Japan has a rigid way of developing stars and they systematically make a no name rookie into a star not by rushing him but by slowly letting him develop his skills and if that rookie happens to lose (which is a norm for New Japan Young Lions), he learns something and he uses it as an opportunity to become better the next time he wrestles
Nathaniel Baxter The Young Lion system is a slow yet meaningful opportunity for the rookies to develop their skills and improve themselves big time. I wonder which is better, the NJPW Young Lion System or the Performance Center of the WWE?
Donut Life New Japan is indeed the top wrestling promotion where everyone is given a chance to show off their skills regardless of hierarchy in the roster
Donut Life Traveling all around the world and learning various wrestling styles like lucha libre is essential for a Young Lion in New Japan to develop into a well-rounded wrestler. Naito and Hiromu had been in CMLL and guys like Okada, Jay White, Chono and Mutoh had been present in TNA (before TNA ruined Okada by making him look like Kato), Ring of Honor and WCW and they come back, looking better than they were before
Donut Life the veterans like Nagata, Tenzan, Kojima and Liger (before he retired) are always eager to put the young guys over and get them ready for the big time instead of holding them back like what happens in the WWE whenever an old timer shows up and beats a full-time WWE superstar. Tanahashi, despite being the World Champion back in 2019, allowed Jay White to beat him and take his IWGP World title and Hiromu gets to pin Jushin Thunder Liger in his last match at Wrestle Kingdom 14 Night 2 (January 5, 2020)
I don't think Ryder knows what a 'mark' is let alone a 'jobber.'
I bet he likes the word 'Jabroni' because that's what he is.
😁😁😀😂
I don't believe he jobbed to the Rock.
Even the Rock says jabroni is the Iron Sheik’s word.
"The boys don't use it"? The first time I ever heard this term was on Monday Night RAW when Marc Mero used it on Tom "Salvatore Sincere" Brandi. Definitely an inside term.
It was the internet people that got him over🙄
I knew there was a reason why I wasn't a fan of Zack Ryder. Sorry guys but he wasn't that good. A store brand version of a WWE Super Star.
Now he's a jobber in AEW
If the other wrestlers don't say jobber around you, then you might be the jobber...
The "local talent" brought in to lose to Braun Strowman week after week are "jobbers".
😂 I wish that's how they would introduce them braun strowman and his opponent a local talent
I'm sure Ryder and Hawkins paid a lot of 'local talent' for 5min work taking an a pounding from them in a dark.... match.
And yet the Brooklyn Brwler is considered a legendary jobber. And to say that guys like Heath Slater or Zach Ryder who were rarely on television and when they were existed only to lose _weren't_ jobbers is foolish.
So his he really
@@Gaelek13 I'm sorry but those guys are jobbers and George South is one of the greatest in ring performers( wrestler) and has jobbed for Flair and other guys also trained a lot of guys who became well known: Jobbers of old made the stars or new prospects look good in that ring and led the match that made Sting Sting or Luger Luger etc etc... A lot of dudes in wrestling now haven't learned from the old skool guys like Cornette Raven did and a few others around today. And it shows: The Majority of the new guys don't really get it they sit listen to guys like Nash on UA-cam and take the term jobber like it's a bad thing
The new fans forced fed the WWE garbage thinking this is wrestling. A lot of the new guys are so conditioned to the WWE way that they have no real respect for the business really they all egotistical twats. Zack Ryder was never that guy
Jim’s segues to get products over are masterful! 😂
Yes, when he said "you know what he needs?" I immediately chuckled because I knew where it was going.
I love the transition between calling a guy an idiot and then moving on to talking about mental health support.
Hey, Matt, leave the Fed and come over here, we'll push you to the stars!
yeah, we got a 8-man tag match against the dork order for ya.
smh
He must not be familiar with Al Snow's job Squad.....🤷🤷🤷
Job squad, anyone?
I love the ads as much as the show🤣
So a guy who became relevant thanks to the internet marks now blames and attacks them? Way to go Cardona, way to go.
"If you're on television you're not a jobber." I would say the opposite - a jobber very specifically is on TV, losing squash matches at TV tapings. Jobbers aren't usually on house shows or PPVs.
Exactly. That statement about TV is RIDICULOUS 🤣🤣🤣
Wow it didn’t take long for Cardona to be indoctrinated into the AEW “we’re different and if you disagree your a mark” mentality.
Al snow litrally called hes group the job squad but no im sure no one uses it
He stole the "Woo, Woo, Woo" Phrase from Martin..
He could also parapharse stole "You Serious Bro" from John McEnroe ("You Can't Be Serious.") catchpharse. You can also argue that Ryder's outfit looks more like he is ready to play tennis even though he wears purple instead of white (palette swap), he is just missing a tennis racquet for a tennis gimmick.
Jim hit the nail on the head at how the structure of the statement can change everyone's perceptions of it. You can look at the press release about WWE's recent anti-shitposting measure where wrestlers now have to take cameos and tiktoks on non-WWE accounts and ring names to avoid copyright mess. "The control and exploitation of talent and their likeness allows us to appropriately compensate them for their hard work and due diligence" or something like that. I knew what they meant, but "usage and implementation" would have meant the exact same thing and would have done more to lower the pitchforks.
Didn't the Internet Marks Get This Jobber Over Years Ago welp
Jobber.
This is the guy that jobs out so he can buy figurines of the people he jobs out too.
my dad used to call them "nobodies" or"bums"
I laughed my ass off, before he was a wwe jobber he was a internet jobber fan of wwe
Small side note: Kleenex is a brand of tissue paper, not all tissue paper.
You’re a jobber 😉
I like jabroni better.
"Don't drop the belt to that Hollywood blonde jabroni hulk Hogan"
You know what Matt Ryder REALLY needs....?
A job. 😁
He's just mad because he was a jobber for most of his whole career
Compromise: Instead of calling Zack Ryder a “jobber”, call him a “failure” instead. Problem solved.
Lmao the orange skin tan is perfect 😅😅😅😅
Well that's what he was and is. If the shoe fits wear it with pride.
You're not a jobber you're a "ham-n-egger"
Damn, way to look insecure Zack.
Dwayne Gill, Sandy Beach, Brook Trout... There are many great names in the history of jobberdom. XD
Not familiar with Brooke Trout, great jobber name.
*Midnights destroy Trent Knight*
Cornette: "Night night, Trent Knight!"
Matt Cardona is an All Elite Jobber
I love how Jim cuts ads and keeps it real
*sigh* well, he definitely belongs in AEW
Matt Cardona....... you’re a jobber
Cardona spends two minutes in AEW and he's already complaining about his fee-fees being hurt. He's definitely friends with Cody "no such thing as faces and heels" Rhodes.
There are no such thing as faces and heels anymore. Characters have become multi-layered and can show characteristics of heel/face tactics.
I know your smooth brain can probably only process "HOGAN GUD, SHEIK BAD" for a storyline but most of us have evovled beyond that.
@@VendettaAS Multi-layered characters have always existed in wrestling,. The best wrestling heels are the ones who either believe they're in the right or really are in the right to a degree, (e.g. Chris Jericho in 2008). One dimensional characters like Hogan and Sheik thankfully aren't as common in modern wrestling, but they're still very effective (e.g. Rusev in 2014)
I brought up Cody because he came across like he thinks being a head suit for a major wrestling company means he can suddenly decide how the entire industry works. Of course he's allowed to express himself, and good for him if things go his way in the end, but I'm just not buying that mindset.
@@VendettaAS I can't tell if this is a parody or real.
No jobber cardona and equal pay ryback. Talk about two guys who are taking the wrestling business to the next level.
There was literally the JOB SQUAD
If he didn't like the term and felt he was worth more: He should of said "no" during that whole section of his career that he was in a wheelchair and being humiliated on a consistent basis
I don't just the word jobber
I call those guys jabronis
Wow, I can’t believe the internet invented jobbing.
He was a jobber in WWE and now is a jobber in AEW
Hey Matt, what about the J.O.B. Squad!? You out of your mind fam.
Man, indie marks or corporate suck ups like this guy literally forget that the term "job" or "jobber" or "jobbing out" refers to losing. You know that every match has to have a loser, right? And in a company, there have to be people who lose more than they win, right?
Jobber isn't a derogatory term, its literal fact that there are guys who HAVE to lose. If you have no loser than there are no winners.
Growing up we called them flunkies
the proper name is actually facial tissues
Don't forget Zack Ryder used to call himself the Internet Champion. The Rock call them Jabronis btw
Ryder calling himself the Internet Champion made sense until the current version of NXT started though he never put his title on the line. (Whereas Ted DiBiase Sr. defended the Million Dollar Championship [Virgil won it from him though Ted would eventually win it back] and Taz defended the FTW Championship [Sabu won it from him though Taz would eventually win it back])
When the current version of NXT started (No more Rookies, Pros and Rookie challenges) that was Internet only so the NXT Championship became the true Internet Championship until NXT once again got back on US TV. Currently the NXT United Kingdom Champion is the real Internet Champion as NXT:UK is Internet Only thanks to the WWE Network (unless the viewer is in the UK where NXT:UK can be watched both on BT Sports and on the Internet)
Poor guy wwe has brain washed him , and still buried him after getting over, and had trained him so badly
Think the spray on tan fumes are polluting Matt's mindset 🤔🙄✌
To be honest, I hate hearing wrestling fans use insider lingo, acting like they know how the business works. Especially when most of the time they're using the lingo wrong.
I like how obtuse Cornette is about everything. Ryder has a lot more respect for the way the business used to be than most. He was clearly saying that Jobber isn't used by the boys in WWE or the staff. It is probably a dead term there, and the point he is trying to make is that it has now become just an internet mark insult. Cornette has even defined a Jobber in the past, and by his own definition Ryder was not a Jobber in WWE because he was under contract. Cornette clearly stated in a drive thru I once listened to that a job guy couldn't have a contract. By definition if you had a contract, you were not a Jobber. A Jobber was local a guy who got paid a flat rate to come in just for the night. He said they typically tried to have a few guys in each town they might ask to do the job. That's Cornette's own definition of a Jobber. Think those random guys who showed up to get squashed by Braun during the good part of his monster run. They'd pack 2-3 of them in the ring and have him go to town. And they were probably lucky to get paid 50 bucks.
Shades of Ryback!
Ryback’s doing just fine.
@@TheDBZEDITOR he's always crying about his sad life on his podcast
Ooph. Wait til Jim reviews All Out - it was a turd. He's gonna burn it hard lol
The “oh my god” at 1:22 fucking killed me 😂😂😂
I sometimes feel that fans don't realize that in the former generations of wrestling, if you could make someone look like a million bucks beating you, there could be a lucrative career in being a jobber. Promoters ALWAYS had somebody they wanted to push, so if you could get others over properly, promoters would want to keep you around to do just that. Jobbers sometimes had more job security than Mid-carders. There's a reason Barry Horowitz rarely won in WWE or WCW, but stayed employed by them all through the 90's.
Totally correct, there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a jobber at all.
Jim is the fucking MAN! ! ‘He needs to call Better Help’ then drops the ad LMAO!
If the WWE is your measuring stick for wrestling terms you are probably a corporate jobber .
Cardona looks like CM Punk in the thumbnail...! :)
He joined a company that wouldn't exist without internet marks. Not to mention Cardona himself wouldnt even be in the business without those internet marks who watched that overrated UA-cam series
Lmao, I’ve wanted to hear Corny talk about Ryder for the longest time. Wish come true 😂
The real jobbers are legends worthy of Hall of Fame. We all remembered the jobbers, we all rooted for the jobbers. Even when we knew they were going to get squished.
Brooklyn Brawler.
Gwenpool wasn’t he also doink the clown ?
@@TheMartinTD Yes indeed. He was _a_ Doink, but he wasn't _the_ Doink (who was Matt Borne).