For the rolling chassis: ua-cam.com/video/7vetbPQBeLU/v-deo.html Hans Heyer stepping out of his Lancia Beta Montecarlo at the Norisring in DRM(todays DTM). Later that year, he won the championship 😂
Guess I didn't look hard enough! Thanks for finding this, it's a miracle he was ok! The Lancia's cage seems a little more stout than some of the other cars in this video.
@@R4M_Tommy although important to note, apart from their Le Mans effort with the 959-based 961, Porsche also took their Group B 959 to Dakar (although the car was detuned and modified specifically for the race). Ferrari never participated in any Group B road or rally race with their 288 GTO unfortunately.
Group 5 is a perfect example of how mechanical diversity can make racing interesting, even if a single make/car dominates. I can only imagine how much crazier today's race cars would be if they weren't so strictly regulated. We've already seen the Porsche 919 Evo unhinged, and that was incredible.
@@bobanppvc you ought to see the videos of the Holman & Moody 427 Ford Galaxies doing battle with Mini Coopers and Alfa Romeos at Goodwood (if you haven’t already)! Some of the best racing to watch
More freedom to innovate makes motorsport research more diverse and increases the odds of technical sponsors being interested in developing what they envision for trickle down to their products. More factors of uncertainty from diverse concepts also reduces the odds that everyone quickly throws their core concepts away and blindly follow the leader’s path as an open-ended regulation means the likelihood of finding an even better solution than the current leader (instead of playing catch-up) is higher. Diverse car characteristics also means distinct advantages in different scenarios e.g. speed profiles of various corners, biasing overtaking under braking or accel for different cars. The best concept for Red Bull Ring may not be very competitive at Spa even though they are not even that different for modern F1 car concepts. Closing up the field has always been a cost-limited argument where lesser funded teams throw tantrums that they can’t be expected to develop the ridiculous things top teams can. With cost cap now being tried in F1 this concern is gradually phasing out, and it would be silly to continue having such long rule books where everything is mandatory and everyone has to spend thousands of hours fine tuning every surface by millimetres.
@@icehawk3442 That’s just throwing everything into the domain of engineers. The one thing we know from that is that it means the drivers have less and less influence over the outcome and that’s got to be a bad thing. Next thing you know, you’ve got people complaining that drivers were so much more skilled in the old days and that the cars practically drive themselves these days. As one who for 35 years, still competes regularly in sport - sailing - I can tell you that the best racing is in one design fleet racing, where all the boats are identical and the best sailors stand out. There’s no reliance on who has the faster boat. Because, in the end, all the boats have the same potential performance but there can only be one winner and that is the sailor or crew who makes the fewest mistakes and adapts best to the conditions. Contrast that with CanAm racing from the 60s and 70s. That series was a victim of its own success but to was _totally_ dominated by two marques: McLaren and Porsche. Nobody else stood a chance, however good they were, mainly because they simply couldn’t match the budgets. Not even Jim Hall’s Chaparral team or Lola was able to match those guys. When you open things up to development, the risk of failure is very high.
Yeah, admittedly I glossed over those with the text on screen at the end of the 935/78 section. I wanted to keep the video on the shorter side and there's so many awesome cars, I couldn't talk about them all. Maybe I'll do a separate video on Kremer specifically at some point!
The Kremer cars were practically unbeatable from everything I’ve read. They definitely deserve their own video at some point. Watching those revival races showcase how much of a monster they are. I couldn’t imagine wresting one around a circuit for hours on end. Those drivers had a screw loose to want to drive those.
Group 5 has to be my favorite track based racing series to ever exist, the unique aesthetics that the loose rulebook broght with it are imho some of the most beautiful race cars to ever hit a track.
In the late 60s and early 70s group six was for prototypes under 3 liters. Group five was for sports-racers under 5 liters with minimum production of 50 until 1969 when it was reduced to 25.
Correct, those were the 1st and 2nd generations of group 5. In the video, I was referencing "prototypes" as the 3rd generation of group 5 which were previously the "Group 6 Prototype Sports Cars". Those ran from 1972 to 1975 from what I could find.
A video about Group 7 would be a great accompaniment to this video. No minimum production, no lower weight limit, no engine limit. As long as it had lights, two seats, a windscreen and bodywork covering the wheels, it was no holds barred. It gave birth to the most powerful circuit cars ever allowed to race.
Take a look into the McLaren M20. That’s a car that gets overlooked by the successes of the Porsche 917/10 and /30, but considering the M20 had no turbos, holds and impressive record. Especially David Hobbs’ 1973 drive where he finished on the podium behind Donohue a few times.
Group 5 is what most people think of when they think of race cars. Most of the iconic race cars between the late 60s to 90s are from this sport or its predecessors.
Correction. The Group 5 Rollcage has been tested during the 1980 Norisring DRM race when Hans Heyer crashed on lap 7 and rolled over several times. He escaped the wreckage of his Lancia unhurt. Clips can be found on Y-tube. Thanks Ben for your admission. Great video. I’ve seen them Brutes Racing.
British super saloon and thunder saloon series had the freakiest bodies with absurd aero straight out of a comic book, probably needs a separate video. I expected a mention of the Greenwood "spirit of America" Corvette, by far the craziest racing 'Vette which went the other way of fitting the biggest engine possible instead of going the turbo way. Solid attempt at the 24 hr race in Le Mans too.
Thanks for the ideas! And yes, the Greenwood Vettes were epic! They make a couple subtle appearances in the video even though I didn't mention them 😉 Those are probably worth their own video too!
The fan and manufacturers didn't "get bored" of the prototypes, Ferrari, Alfa and Matra left for F1 because the cost of running two top class programs was too high, Gulf-Mirage sold out to Harley Cluxton who couldn't run the team at it's former level. Not many other could compete with the turbo prototypes from Porsche and Alpine so the FIA created group 5 to fill out the dwindling field. Their reign lasted until IMSA started the GTP class in 1980 and the FIA followed with group C two years later.
Such an underrated class of motorsport, Love those Group 5 cars. The best sportscars have always been the cars with some kind of road based rules, just like the old GT1's. Hypercars could have been the same but sadly not. Real shame that Group B circuit racing never really took off. Remember the Porsche 961 was a group B car. I'm assuming here, but I imagine the IMSA GTO and Trans-Am cars of the 80's owed something to Group 5.
As a kid, born in Zolder, I saw the Zakspeed Capri's, thundering by in the so called DRM races. That stood for Deutsche Rennwagen Meisterschaft. German Racecar Championship. Along with BMW's, Porsche's etc... Those colours, those flames, those sounds, the crowds back then... All is burned into my eardrums, retina and nostrills... The bright colours, white, red, orange, yellow, blue and green... The roaring sound of thunder and awe... The heydays... DRM became Bergischer Löwe, and that became DTM... And DTM, died few years ago, into the limbo... The limbo of GT cars... I miss the freedom...
Silhouette cars were still racing in club races in Britain in the 90s - I remember a Calibra which did 200mph, a 7 litre Vauxhall Carlton and a Hond Prelude that looked ready for Le Mans.
ex F1 driver Rolf Stommelen was killed in a 935 at Riverside in April 83 after the rear wing broke. From pictures of the wreck the cage looked to have held up however Rolf died of head injuries, possibly I read somewhere the seat may have broken but cant confirm that.
I've always loved the Group 5 cars! As a 1/32 scale slot car collector, they are among my favorite cars to have. They just look so bonkers, yet are still recognizable from the street car version. Great video!
Thank you! That's awesome, I played with slot cars here and there as a kid, but after watching how fast some of the modern ones can go, I kind of want to get back into them!
Loved that Era, and the days of IMSA just before "Factory" teams took over, and you had Privateers competing and winning against full on Factory teams, and the start of a lot of exotic materials, Carbon Fiber brakes being like $6k a corner. I think in the states it was late 70's, very early 80's.
Gr5 SP was so freaking great! the cars were amazing, The Skylines and the 320i Turbos being amongst my favourite, have a bop-ed grid setup in Assetto Corsa with a bunch of these beasts...... chiils even in sim.
I find the image at 2:55 to be quite fascinating. The Capri on the bottom of the page is a euro-spec MkIII built in either the British or Cologne Germany factory, and not a German Capri II for the US market. What I find interesting is, at first glance it would appear to have 390mm TRX wheels, but they are not. To the best of my knowledge (for Ford) TRX was a USA only "wheel, tire, and suspension package" offered first in 1979 on the Mustang Pace Car and Mercury Capri (read Mustang). That being said, the wheels in the 2:55 image are not TRX as the actual TRX wheels had a center cap that covered the lug nuts and the slots in each of the spokes were straight not tapered like those in the picture. If anyone knows if the wheels shown were a Ford factory wheel or what brand they are please comment below. As I am from the USA I have limited knowedge of all the many varietys of Capris found around the world. I learned to drive in a 79 Mustang Turbo 4 speed Pace Car and owned both a 1976 Mercury Capri II (Ford, Cologne Germany built) and a 1979 Mercury Capri RS (Mustang with TRX and factory box flairs).
Cool video! Regarding the chapter "chassis design", I think it might've missed a pretty important sidestepping of the rules made by Ford for the Capri in some cars in atleast one of the groups: as I recall, the original capri has a solid axle and rear leaf springs, and this was circumvented by retaining a very weak/soft leaf spring setup only to stay true to the rules, and combining it with a separate coilspring setup that did the actual grunt work! ... so a bit like Porsches double rear window but on an even larger scale :) I gotta say that I'm surprised Porsche got away with the reprofiled hood and lowered headlights though. Surely it must've been possible for FIA to state that the actual body shape was altered when the headlights were moved?
Thanks for the additional info, didn't know that! And yes, I had the same thoughts on Porsche's headlights, but I suppose maybe they were able to argue those shapes in the hood were part of the headlight? Either way, I'm sure their competitors weren't happy haha
Another great video! Thanks a lot! Damn, I wish FIA allowed a new category with almost no limitations, letting brands go wild for a year or two at least... The technological jump these categories granted was off the charts and boosted a lot of everything (materials, aerodynamics, all sorts of solutions, etc) for the years to come.
I love the Group 5 car and I respect all the drivers who had the confidence to even sit in one. I loved this video because of how in depth you went into the topic, I never knew how much these cars really developed the racing world. Just a well put together video!
The 935 was also extremely difficult to drive. It wasn’t just the turbo lag either. The weight bias and extremely squirrely chassis made the car understeer and oversteer in massive amounts. I remember an article I read at the time which confirmed pretty much everything here. I also remember an interview with Claude Ballot Lena, who was sharing a 935 with Bob Wollek. I think it was at Daytona in the early 1980s. Ballot Lena described to the incredulous interviewer how Wollek was using left foot braking even in the wet. _Left foot braking… in a 935…_ That’s a car in which the rear is already trying to overtake the front without that. Think about that for a second.
Amazing ! And I have to say, racing was far more interesting then today, because the technical challenge among car makers! I' ve seen in the '80's a Zakspeed Ford Capri racing on a up hill race, during the european championship, in Svolte di Popoli: certainly it was fast, but the Osella of Nesti was umbelevebly faster! :)
Need to find these car photoshop guys to design modern iteration of Group 5 cars! R34 GTR, Lamborghini Gallardo, Ferrari 458, Ford 500GT or GT, Toyota Supra, BMW M3, Mercedes SLS AMG, so many 2000's era cars deserve this treatment!
Returning to this video once again because I can't seem to find a contact email or anything so might as well give it a shot. Would you at all be interested in doing a further deep dive into the world of Group 5, covering the life (1977) and death (1981) of the regulations in the DRM and where the surviving Group 5 cars ended up today as well as overseas national championships like the Japanese Super Silhouettes? I feel it could be a great project with as much footage as I have on these cars. I also created a mod for a simulator called Automobilista that is in the works to cover the entire DRM era, which could be extremely useful. EDIT: Found your email :)
03:06 Correction. The frog-eye headlights were carried over to the bumper of the Porsche 935 not in 1978 but in 1976, when this car was created. One or two races were run with traditional 911-style headlights, then flat noses replaced them.
Concerning the engines: Porsche went on to dominate Le Mans with nearly the exact same engine as the 935 for more than 15 years! It was used in 936, 956, 962, 911 GT1 and even the TWR LMP and the Dauer 962 in pretty similar configurations! And for the Capri: squeezing 600+hp from a 1.7L L4 engine is still a crazy number even for todays standards!
The Ford Capri. 🤤😎 The choice of the Capri's engines seems a bit odd. AFAIK they never produced a 1.4-litre version, they were 1.3l, 1.5l, 1.6l, 1.7l, 2.0l, 2.3l, 2.8l and 3.0l, so I wonder where they never went with the bigger options as they had the 2.0l, the 2.3l and the 3.0l from '69 onwards. A twin-turbo 2.8i might have been fun from '81, perhaps bored out to 3.2l, too! 😄 My first car was a freshly repainted black '82 reg 2.0S which I absolutely loved; there was nothing quite like racing your own rear-end around wet roundabouts, and looking good doing it! 😂
Sounds like you had a great time with that car! As far as the engine, my best guess is that they were trying to build as lightweight of a car as possible and had they gone with a larger displacement, the car would have had a higher minimum weight to meet. This was the era where manufacturers were really starting to experiment with turbos! Thanks for the comment!
The DRM used two classes, over 2 litre and under 2 litre similar to IMSA GTO and GTU. Turbo cars had a displacement factor of 1.4 compared to NA cars so the maximum capacity for turbo engines in the 2 litre class was 1.4 litres (1.4 litres displacement times 1.4 turbo factor = ~2 litres overall displacement).
Group 5 racing is one of the main reasons why I became a car enthusiast in the first place!! (including touring car racing and time attack). Fun fact: Group 5 became an inspiration for the Bozosoku era in Japan which later on led to the rise of widebody kits scene like the Rocket Bunny, Liberty Walk (LBWK Silhouette), RWB, and Pandem kit that we all know today!! Anyways, Group 5 still lives on in time attack racing scene in terms of aggressive aero kits and high powered machines (which you could normally find in unlimited class).
That makes a lot of sense actually when it comes to those Bozosoku cars! I remember the first time I saw a photo of one, I couldn't believe it was real haha
@@themotorsportstory ikr!! That's why Group 5 has a big impact to the car culture and aftermarket scene!!!! Especially NASCAR as well!!! Rocket Bunny/Pandem's kits has an inspiration from them as well!!! You could mostly see those NASCAR widebody looks on their S13 Silvias and EG hatchback Civics (which later on led to the rise of Kanjozoku scene which is basically JTCC style build for the street and you could still encounter those builds on time attack race events like Tsukuba and Suzuka Circuit)!!!
I wish there was a series where all you had to do was fit your car into a box and send the regulatiing body 5 of your intended races cars so they can thoroughly crash test them for safety as well as dyno them in order to prevent TOO much power, for safety of course.
We actually have a burnt Group 5 Zakspeed Capri engine. It was in Vidar Sauthon’s Escort MK3/4 Rallycross supercar (EX Seppo Niittymäki) Sadly the car burnt down in a buss but the engine was partly saved. There are afew parts missing but that will sort out when we fix a guys tractor. He said if we fixed it we get everything we want and need. Not just for the Zakspeed engine😆. But we are thinking of buying the EX Kjetil Bolneset Ford Escort MK3/4 Supercar and putting the engine in that, to use it in Retro Rallycross in England.
If anyone is wondering if there's a simulator good for racing those, Raceroom has a pretty large selection of Group 5 cars, with the Zakspeed Capri, FABcar Porshe 935, BMW 320, Chevy Dekon Monza and Greenwood Corvette, Nissan Silvia and Skyline 2000RS, and they all feel REALLY nice. Because it's not a very popular sim, you'll probably need to organize some people to completely fill a grid, but thankfully Raceroom not only has the option to race against AI despite being very online-focused, but also the AI is really good (and it doesn't require you to own any of the cars you want to put on the grid, only the one you want to drive)
I rather go to Historic Races than todays F1. Oh and please go to Bergrennen! I was there a few years a go when one dude showed up with a Lancer or what looked like one and that thing had up to 800 Horses. That is Mad and the fact that they Race on normal streets! Good Stuff
You should really look into FIA E2 regulations. They are mainly used in hillclimb but allow for extremely crazy cars. The new performance factor regulations for hillclimb leave a lot of space for extreme cars aswell.
Thought I'd watch it later, but ended up watching the whole video at once. Very interesting, well grouped information and nice storytelling style. As for a non-English-speaking user, there is also an understandable accent. Thank you. Speaking of crazy rules and cars, would you like to make a video about BTCC Super Touring cars in the 90s?
haha so thats why the cars look like they are hiding underneath all the aero i didnt know they all had to retain specific body parts haha, it made for some interesting designs!
Honestly I'm not the biggest fan of circuit racing in general, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate good bits of zaniness, absurdity and asinine tiptoeing around the rules from all over. addendum: Whenever people start talking about how dangerous group B was, I refer them to John Ficarra's video on 'Indy's forgotten Speed Demon'. Where he talks about racing in the US back in the 1920's. Makes anything since the 40s look perfectly safe. Not just the cars, but the tracks too. (Though I must admit, thanks to a couple of my nieces I have grown fond of sprint racing... they have been learning how to drive those with their gearhead of a dad, who likes racing powerboats... fun side of the family)
@@themotorsportstory I could listen to Ficarra ramble on about the history of cars and motorsport for days. Yeah powerboats are nuts. The really are beasts. Two ton, 30 foot, single engine cranking out 525hp (for that particular class). He was Stock V APBA national champion (on throttle) a couple of years ago.
I've been studying the Zakspeed Turbo Capri for about 10 years and there aren't so many videos out there just the original oldtimer vids and zakspeed's own POV videos. The speedhunters article gives some great photos but this video really was needed to bring in some new fans! Long live the Zakspeed Capri! Deutsche Rennsport Meisterschaft (DRM) > (DTM) !!
Glad you enjoyed! And yes, that Speedhunters article had some of the best photos I could find anywhere. It's a shame there isn't more media available for such an amazing car.
There are also some Mucke motorsport videos of their Zakspeed Capri as well as their Cologne RS3100. There is also a channel called Belgiun-Motorsport thst features historic racing with plenty Zakspeed content.
As a teen I loved these cars they literally ! Changed my life . I only wanted to work on(edit: motors in cars , motorcycles anything that went fast) from then on. Check out that turbo blow off valve at 5:54 , air cooled with a controlled pressure dome ( aka Scramble GO GO GO baby ). Edit Edit: you people who just read history back are boring, why and how could they get away with welding the heads on? I know how and It's so simple you can look at a Harly and understand how. Both motors are built with this simple bolt on cylinder only tricky part is getting valves parts in .
cool to the that more people are learning about that legendary special "rule less" special production car based race cars aka GROUP 5 cars, which started in '76, now being an avid fan of this class and particular the German league, dominated by Ford, Porsche & BMW and from '80 after a quick retirement by legendary and fierce driver Hans Heyer, who raced for Ford Werks with the RS MKI Capri's and the HIGHLY innovative little German forward thinking race car builders Zakspeed, who since '68 had 2 decade plus relationship with Ford, as of '77 Group introduced a 2nd Division, with displacement rules dictated 2Lit. N/A or 1,4Lit Turbo charged, now this WERE the ERA of the TURBO (personally i'm a Carbie guy 🙂 whereas Div. 1 were 2Lit. upwards, but within 3,3ish turbo charged which became mandatory in Div.1, now it would get a bit complicated as they would often race both Divisions in the same race AS WELL as some of the bigger teams and the lesser known teams, would drive Group 2 spec. cars too, BUT as i was about to say Heyer who put Zakspeed on the forefront when he became their star driver with their Mk II based, N/A Ford Escort 1800, HIGHLY modified obviously in Div 2. as Zakspeed, where masters in Group 2 and Mr Zakspeed himself Erich Zakowski and later on his son Peter, KNEW and had a philosophy in I4cyl. engine's and LIGHT packaging to say it simple, and they had success right from the get-go against BMW's 320i aka the Flying Brick (although the Zakspeed MKII Escort wasn't exactly less boxy) but AS ALWAYS they were underpowered, but STILL, now Porsche being at this point the only Div 1 brand along with their customer teams, with what began as we know now as a 935/77A -/78A & /79, plus other private teams who would built a 935 out of a 930 Turbo (the homologation car for the Group 4 934, they also had a NON 911 based Group 6 car the 936, which they would continue focusing on post '78 as they agreed that, even though it was understood by the "pro" customer teams that the Works car would be a bit more advanced, ahead than the customer cars, the 935/78 which Porsche has a tendency to do, being the team that has won Le Mans all over the most time throughout the years, where built with that in mind, which led to conclusion as they claimed as ethical reasons, as Moby Dick as it known as, were a BIT too ahead of the SLIGHTLY expensive customer cars, to not race in the inter series, WHICH led to more than ever a CERTAIN customer team to take the lead for Porsche; Kremer and their K3 and the 2 built K4's, they built one K1 and one K2, and 12 K3's, plus 3 conversions AND selling 16 KITS, all but K1, which was a modified 934, hence the allowance for what was known as a 934/5, the K2 were a modified, externally as well, which became Kremer's claim to success, based on the 13 built 935/77A's and 15 /78A's were built, and 7 /79's were built, mainly for the US market) BMW began in '76 with their last CS aka CSL 3,5's (which they also raced in Group's 2 and 4, and which ended it's production run in '75) enter 320i, (also in Group 2) and what became a nightmare for BMW, as their intended Group 4 and Group 5 car, their first AND last mid engined 2 seat sports car, the; M1 which s a long story in itself including a certain Italian brand who were contracted to help design this car, who went bankrupt along the way) although intended for a '78 release it was finally released in '79 for homologation, due to Group 4, as for group 5 cars were not obliged to be homologated if you only raced the car in that class, now Porsche DID made an attempt i DIv 2 in '77 with their 935/77 2.0 (featuring a specially built 1,4Lit Turbo charged engine) but they didn't seem to be too interested i that, and come '78 and the release of the Ford Capri MK III, Zakspeed built the first of 5 (NOT 4 as many think/believe's and i'm not counting the ones whose chassis' were re-numbered, but to give you a hint the first Zakspeed Turbo Capri were burnt to the ground in Sep '80 after an unfortunate training session with Hans Soldeck behind the wheel, after he took over the car full time from '80) CLEVERLY built Zakspeed Ford "Turbo" Capri's with Hans Heyer as their MAIN driver, who was also heavily involved in the development of the first Turbo Capri, sponsored, as the their Group 5 MK II Escort's; Mampe, featuring a HIGHLY modified or rather using the core from Ford's 1,3Lit Kent engine feat Cosworth styled BDA head with mech. F.I and a single of twin KKK mech. turbo charger's, as their 1,4Lit. engine, now with the EVER more complications of the Group 5 rules that exeeded those 2 sides of papers, and Germans are VERY good with bureaucracy which led to BMW having to enter their Group 4 spec'd N/A M1's in Group 5 until early '81 or late '80 with a N/A Group 5 approved version of the M1, and from '81 with a turbocharged version of their engine (yes they also had their own M1 Procar series too,which belongs to that epic story) and come 1980 Zakspeed enters the BIG league as in Div 1 with ZAK G5 C1/80, which later in the year, due to the aforementioned crash, and the fact that the rules dictated that Div 1 cars had to have it's own chassis no. vs the Div 2 cars, now up to pre crash Zakspeed now had 4 cars, so being in a though spot at the end of the '80 season and having been disqualified from leading the season die their initial "forbidden" rear wing, where a certain team as in Kremer claimed it wasn't within the rules, although THIS has been debunked by a few different parties who were qualified enough and having gone through the rules in Div 1 which at this stage WAS NOT as rule less as it began as, quite the contrary, that it says NOWHERE in those rules that Zakspeed were not allowed to have used or being disqualified due to said "super spoiler", the REAL reason, which is a long story in it self, but Zakspeed's new star driver for said Turbo Capri were EX Kremer Klaus Ludwig, who along with the INFAMOUS Whittington Bros. HAPPENED to just having won Le Mans in '79, a BIG deal for at the time a small customer team like Kremer, although for Porsche, with the VERY first built 935/K3, but as we now know the Whittington bros, did not only buy seats for the Kremer team, being adrenaline junkies, and there's a specific reason for that, ALSO bought the car as THEY wanted to drive the car first AND which we know now, as they came from the other side of the law, they installed NOS to that rather powerful (small) 3,2Lit air to air twin turbo boxer engine, including the rare Kugelfischer injection set up, which would make up to 790BHP and add some extra oxygen on top of that, welll....they KNEW they had a spare engine) SO Kremer were of course UPSET by Ludwig's change of team/brand main competitor, which Zakspeed had SHOWN in Div 2 leading up to '80, and with the return of Hans Heyer and going for Fiat-Lnacia's mid engined 4cyl turbocharged Monte Carlo Beta cars, who ended up winning the German league in 1980, with Div. 1 and 2 points combined, but this led to Zakspeed improving EVEN more on what initially were the first to build a monocoque styled chassis from a production based street car, but now ALSO being the first to build as part of the improvement of the Turbo Capri as the first procdction based race car to feature ground effects with a REALLY radical rear (as you see in this great video) and now having a increased the displacement to 1,7Lit. with either a BIG single turbo or twin turbo's and initially one inter cooler, but at this point 2 inter cooler's, and putting out 592 BHP, and thus, post crash the ZAK G5 C1/80 became C2/80 but being the same car but now with an improved 1,4Lit. engine as for '81 they put him in Div. 2 and enter Manfred Winkelhock and their last built chassis as in chassis ZAK G5 C1/81 which FINALLY led to Zakspeed winning the German series in '81, with the Div. 1 car's 1,7Lit. engine's output of 592BHP and Ludwig's now turned Div. 2 car and it's improved 1,4Lit engine capable of a max output of 552BHP, against Kremer's K3/K4 and BMW's M1 Turbo cars and their respective 6cyl. engines with with at least 800BHP and Lancia's 1,4Lit. 4.cyl engine's putting out 465BHP and 1,8 Lit. puting out 500-550BHP, oh and BMW's at this stage highly modified 320i 1,4Lit. 4cyl. engine's with an output of 475ish BHP, Ford/Zakspeed DESERVEDLY AND once again proved the fact that, on a WW basis that when Ford decides to go ALL in and win, records proves over many decades that this is true, now yes i AM a Ford guy, but i LOVE Porsche's and some BMW's and KNOW how GOOD of brand they are in general, and as a matter fact one of my ALL time top 3 fave Porsche's ARE in fact the AMAZING and BADASS 935/K3, so that is my SLIGHTLY long comment to this great video, and it makes me happy that more people get's reminded or discover these INSANE production based; Silhouette cars as they were/are known/referred to as well aka these special Group 5 cars, raced from '76-'81, and this got EPIC, but that's what you get with a NERD/ENTHUSIAST like me, although my fave cars are '60 American V8 powered Muscle Cars
Wow thanks for all the thorough info! I had heard about the Zakspeed "forbidden" wing but couldn't find hardly anything on it. You've answered a lot of questions I had while researching this video! 🙂
@@themotorsportstory you're welcome, i have soo much info as well as i had to EDIT what i originally wrote HEAVILY as it expanded the amounts of words i could use, i don't know how many experience this, i have on a few occasions hehe, but, no if you google Zakspeed Ford Turbo Capri, the first hit thy will give is a spam filled site with HIGHLY generic info about this, nothing new there, as well, won't get into politics, but google gives you the answers THEY want you do know 😕 so one has to scroll a bit and go to page 2-3 and then you will find more, there's a book written about Zakspeed, i haven't read it, and i think's it is in German Only, however i speak German so i've watched EVERYTHING there is to know about Zakpeed and SPECIALLY concerning the LEGENDARY Turbo Capri's that defeated both Porsche, i DO have quite a bit of knowledge concerning the 935's btw Porsche already changed the front to a slanted one already with their 935/76 just before racing it for the first time in Le Mans in '76, raced by Rolf Stommelen, and after Porsche continued concentrating on their group 6 (later Group C, where Ford would race their version of Ford's new Le Mans car, the C100, where Niedzwiedz would take over Winkelhock's "killer Capri" and it did quite well along the C 100/4's and Porsche's/Lancia's and BMW's Group C cars 🙂and their stint with trying to go to the US with Ludwig with the Foxbody GTX and the Mustang GTP and the Mustang Probe cars, ended up being a disaster, can' win them all) Kremer REALLY took over and made improved customer cars compare to the last Werks cars from Porsche with their 12 built (plus 3 conversions and 16 sold KIT's) K3's and the 2 built K4's, one which Interscope records/racing bought, but didn't race, as they went instead for Lola's latest GTP car powered by a turbocharged Chevy V6, talkin about having money to waste, though it still exits in a private collection, and John Fitzpatrick Racing bought Kremer's own Jagermeister sponsored K4 and rebuilt it for GTP, as it exists today, and the "last ultimate" 935 were Roy Woods' Coca Cola sponsored custom built, inc a Lola front end, moncoque body, known as the 935 84, as the 935's really catch'ed on in the US post the German/Group 5 class ended WW, and yes it did continue in the in what became Group, former Group 3, and specially when you see the Audi Quattro S1 the Walter Rhörl raced at Pikes Peak, it really has that classic Group 5 look to it, and fiercely fast too, and all wheel drive too, oh and btw Kremer also extended upon that 2 rear windows even further with their K3's, although, that got changed as it was not considered legal, just a classic way of interpreting the rules, a classic and known thing amongst race car builders hehe...anyways, good luck and THERE IS MUCH to talk about Group 5 racing 🙂 and that's what i got so excited to see someone shining a light on it, and the cars that remain to indeed get raced in historical endurance racing, a lot in Germany as part of the DRM days, before becoming DTM in other words, from German race car championship to German Touring Cars Championship, to translate it for you 🙂 and thanx for the positive feedback, much appreciated and glad to be of some help 🙂
Great video, was such a great era for racing would love therm to go back to this kind of fun engineering, maybe just limit the fuel they are allowed to have for the race that way power would not go out of control and they would have to balance power and fuel economy.
@@themotorsportstory The closest thing to ridiculously overpowered "street derived" cars with crazy power would probably be current SuperGT cars and late 2010s DTM cars, though there are more restrictions.
Nit picking but neither of my favourite Gp.5 cars were mentioned in this video or appeared in it. Not sure why - one of them is the Zakspeed Escort (Ford Europe), and the other is the Dallara Icsunonove (Fiat/Lancia). You do mention Dallara's involvement with the Lancia Montecarlo/Scorpion regarding the spaceframe and suspension, but not the X1/9. The Dallara Icsunonove is the only Dallara based on a production car and is significant for that. The Lancia Beta, wasn't a Dallara car per se, and neither are the Lancia LC1 or LC2 although you can clearly see who developed those! I'm trying to find out who developed the engine and transmission in the Beta Gp.5. It's a 5-speed manual (inline transaxle) with close ratios and a LSD, probably developed by Fiat's subsidiary Abarth. The Dallara Icsunonove is even more interesting imo, being even smaller capacity (1300cc) DOHC 16V of an unusual design in which one camshaft drives both the inlet and exhaust valves and the other drives a mechanical fuel injection system. Sadly, very little footage exists from that period. But thanks for uploading this 🙂👍
Glad you enjoyed! I ended up settling on the few cars which had the most information out there to give people a good introduction to Group 5, but I'm definitely open to making more videos focusing on specific cars in the future. I actually came across the Icsunonove in my research and was disappointed there wasn't more information available on it!
@@themotorsportstory it's very obscure, the Icsunonove. Pretty sure information exists if you know the right people but otherwise not. Anyone considering making a programme about it would need a budget, and would probably arrange a visit to the Dallara museum in Italy, likely with an interpreter!
Lancia paid the highest price for using Alu tubes for their construction in the later Group B Lancia 0.37 and the Delta S4 both accidents taking place on the same event Corsica but a year apart both accident were end in the Death of the Drive in the 0.37 case and Both the Driver and Co-Driver in the 2nd case. these may be now classed as gold periods has was every year from the 50's until the late 80's by which time both the FIA / FISA and the teams and drivers were fully behind safety over crazy race cars.
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The 2 cars that do stick out are the Zakseed capri's and the Kremer 935 Porsche. Both legendary. There are still 2 Zakspeed Capri's and a few Kremer Porsches competing in historic racing around Europe alongside many other fantastic cars from the era like the Cologne RS3100 Capri, BMW CSL, BMW M1 Procar to mention a few.
I've been to a lot of those races of the Deutsche Rennsport Meisterschaft (what means npthing else then German Racing Championchip). The Air Force racetrack at mainz-Finthem was my hometrack, while I went to the Ring and to Hockenheim for the Jim Clark rememberance races. And every year to Nürnberg, where the race took place at the Norisring, which was mostly the former Reichsparteitagsgelände... A lot of fantastic races, always the fight of the Ford underdoge against the 935's in the larger division. The Capri had the so called "Dampfrad" (power wheel), where they could increase the turbo pressure for a certain amount of time. After that, the engine blows up. I remember one race at Finthen, where Manfred Winkelhock was even beside Bob Wollek, using the Dampfrad a little to much and re damaged the car seriously. Such fantastic pilots as Stommelen and Wollek for Porsche. Heyer for Ford and Lancia and Ludwick, Winkelhock, Ertl and van Ommen for Ford, just to name a few.
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Hans Heyer stepping out of his Lancia Beta Montecarlo at the Norisring in DRM(todays DTM).
Later that year, he won the championship 😂
Guess I didn't look hard enough! Thanks for finding this, it's a miracle he was ok! The Lancia's cage seems a little more stout than some of the other cars in this video.
hans is also the only man in f1 to get a DNQ, DNF and a disqualification in the same race
@@Gabbu_Plays he's a three time DRM(Deutsche Rennsport Meisterschaft, what's todays DTM) champion. That is what counts.
@@Gabbu_Plays I think the only man who sneaked his way into an F1 race. Was it at the Hockenheimring, after some start chaos or something.
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The fact that Group B was introduced to make group 5 less crazy is mindblowing
are you comparing circuit racing to rallying or am i missing something ?
@@DarkIzo yeah im confused too, but group B was indeed very wacky
Group B was never supposed to be a rally class. It was supposed to be for GT cars.
@@DarkIzoGroup B was a class that could be used for any racing event. The Porsche 959 and Ferrari 288 GTO were both built for circuit Group B racing.
@@R4M_Tommy although important to note, apart from their Le Mans effort with the 959-based 961, Porsche also took their Group B 959 to Dakar (although the car was detuned and modified specifically for the race). Ferrari never participated in any Group B road or rally race with their 288 GTO unfortunately.
Group 5 is a perfect example of how mechanical diversity can make racing interesting, even if a single make/car dominates. I can only imagine how much crazier today's race cars would be if they weren't so strictly regulated. We've already seen the Porsche 919 Evo unhinged, and that was incredible.
It reminds me of racing in britain in 60s it was v8 mustang vs capri inline 4...On straights mustang was faster but in corners capri would catch
@@bobanppvc you ought to see the videos of the Holman & Moody 427 Ford Galaxies doing battle with Mini Coopers and Alfa Romeos at Goodwood (if you haven’t already)! Some of the best racing to watch
I don’t see how a category dominated by a single marque makes for interesting racing. As an example, I’d rather watch F2 than F1.
More freedom to innovate makes motorsport research more diverse and increases the odds of technical sponsors being interested in developing what they envision for trickle down to their products.
More factors of uncertainty from diverse concepts also reduces the odds that everyone quickly throws their core concepts away and blindly follow the leader’s path as an open-ended regulation means the likelihood of finding an even better solution than the current leader (instead of playing catch-up) is higher.
Diverse car characteristics also means distinct advantages in different scenarios e.g. speed profiles of various corners, biasing overtaking under braking or accel for different cars. The best concept for Red Bull Ring may not be very competitive at Spa even though they are not even that different for modern F1 car concepts.
Closing up the field has always been a cost-limited argument where lesser funded teams throw tantrums that they can’t be expected to develop the ridiculous things top teams can. With cost cap now being tried in F1 this concern is gradually phasing out, and it would be silly to continue having such long rule books where everything is mandatory and everyone has to spend thousands of hours fine tuning every surface by millimetres.
@@icehawk3442 That’s just throwing everything into the domain of engineers. The one thing we know from that is that it means the drivers have less and less influence over the outcome and that’s got to be a bad thing. Next thing you know, you’ve got people complaining that drivers were so much more skilled in the old days and that the cars practically drive themselves these days.
As one who for 35 years, still competes regularly in sport - sailing - I can tell you that the best racing is in one design fleet racing, where all the boats are identical and the best sailors stand out. There’s no reliance on who has the faster boat. Because, in the end, all the boats have the same potential performance but there can only be one winner and that is the sailor or crew who makes the fewest mistakes and adapts best to the conditions.
Contrast that with CanAm racing from the 60s and 70s. That series was a victim of its own success but to was _totally_ dominated by two marques: McLaren and Porsche. Nobody else stood a chance, however good they were, mainly because they simply couldn’t match the budgets. Not even Jim Hall’s Chaparral team or Lola was able to match those guys. When you open things up to development, the risk of failure is very high.
I wanted someone to make a video about this for soooo long. Thank you very much for appreciating this underrated and legendary series.
Thank you for watching!
@@themotorsportstory Tell us more about the Group 5 Ferrari at the end!
You forgot to mention the most successful 935s. The cars upgraded by Kremer, specifically the 935K3 and 935K4
Yeah, admittedly I glossed over those with the text on screen at the end of the 935/78 section. I wanted to keep the video on the shorter side and there's so many awesome cars, I couldn't talk about them all. Maybe I'll do a separate video on Kremer specifically at some point!
The Kremer cars were practically unbeatable from everything I’ve read. They definitely deserve their own video at some point.
Watching those revival races showcase how much of a monster they are. I couldn’t imagine wresting one around a circuit for hours on end. Those drivers had a screw loose to want to drive those.
Group 5 has to be my favorite track based racing series to ever exist, the unique aesthetics that the loose rulebook broght with it are imho some of the most beautiful race cars to ever hit a track.
In the late 60s and early 70s group six was for prototypes under 3 liters. Group five was for sports-racers under 5 liters with minimum production of 50 until 1969 when it was reduced to 25.
Correct, those were the 1st and 2nd generations of group 5. In the video, I was referencing "prototypes" as the 3rd generation of group 5 which were previously the "Group 6 Prototype Sports Cars". Those ran from 1972 to 1975 from what I could find.
I think it’s important to remember that Group 5 lives on it Time Attack and Japanese Super GT racing, even if it is in spirit.
I think moreso in Time Attack. Wild af aero, near unlimited HP level, balls out privateers. Sounds like the Unlimited Class, but more power crazy.
Australian Super Sedans are close as well, and far less restrictive on engines
@@edugj23 peep the red R32 rocking 1100hp at Bathurst recently that was a rocketship on the straights before hitting the wall midway through the race.
@@izzdin6228 I saw that, such a great racing series. Australia is really the place for semi pro in recent years
@@izzdin6228 Brad the driver of that thing is either a genius or insane. He used to help with time attack R34 at my old job.
A video about Group 7 would be a great accompaniment to this video. No minimum production, no lower weight limit, no engine limit. As long as it had lights, two seats, a windscreen and bodywork covering the wheels, it was no holds barred. It gave birth to the most powerful circuit cars ever allowed to race.
Thanks for the idea! Definitely open to doing more videos about specific racing classes like this!
Take a look into the McLaren M20. That’s a car that gets overlooked by the successes of the Porsche 917/10 and /30, but considering the M20 had no turbos, holds and impressive record. Especially David Hobbs’ 1973 drive where he finished on the podium behind Donohue a few times.
I've always been fascinated by those cars but didn't know much about them. Thanks for your work man 👍
Appreciate you watching!
Group 5 is what most people think of when they think of race cars. Most of the iconic race cars between the late 60s to 90s are from this sport or its predecessors.
Correction. The Group 5 Rollcage has been tested during the 1980 Norisring DRM race when Hans Heyer crashed on lap 7 and rolled over several times. He escaped the wreckage of his Lancia unhurt. Clips can be found on Y-tube. Thanks Ben for your admission. Great video. I’ve seen them Brutes Racing.
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Glad you enjoyed the video! And yes, it's a miracle he was unharmed!
British super saloon and thunder saloon series had the freakiest bodies with absurd aero straight out of a comic book, probably needs a separate video. I expected a mention of the Greenwood "spirit of America" Corvette, by far the craziest racing 'Vette which went the other way of fitting the biggest engine possible instead of going the turbo way. Solid attempt at the 24 hr race in Le Mans too.
Thanks for the ideas! And yes, the Greenwood Vettes were epic! They make a couple subtle appearances in the video even though I didn't mention them 😉 Those are probably worth their own video too!
The fan and manufacturers didn't "get bored" of the prototypes, Ferrari, Alfa and Matra left for F1 because the cost of running two top class programs was too high, Gulf-Mirage sold out to Harley Cluxton who couldn't run the team at it's former level. Not many other could compete with the turbo prototypes from Porsche and Alpine so the FIA created group 5 to fill out the dwindling field. Their reign lasted until IMSA started the GTP class in 1980 and the FIA followed with group C two years later.
Correct, those are all reasons that manufacturers' interests in building prototypes waned. Maybe I should have said "lost interest" instead.
Such an underrated class of motorsport, Love those Group 5 cars. The best sportscars have always been the cars with some kind of road based rules, just like the old GT1's. Hypercars could have been the same but sadly not.
Real shame that Group B circuit racing never really took off. Remember the Porsche 961 was a group B car.
I'm assuming here, but I imagine the IMSA GTO and Trans-Am cars of the 80's owed something to Group 5.
I would have loved to have seen Group B circuit racing be more successful also
IMSA GTO would've never existed without the Group 5 before, that's for sure.
As a kid, born in Zolder, I saw the Zakspeed Capri's, thundering by in the so called DRM races. That stood for Deutsche Rennwagen Meisterschaft. German Racecar Championship. Along with BMW's, Porsche's etc... Those colours, those flames, those sounds, the crowds back then... All is burned into my eardrums, retina and nostrills... The bright colours, white, red, orange, yellow, blue and green... The roaring sound of thunder and awe... The heydays... DRM became Bergischer Löwe, and that became DTM... And DTM, died few years ago, into the limbo... The limbo of GT cars...
I miss the freedom...
Thank you for sharing! That must have been an amazing thing to experience up close!!
Silhouette cars were still racing in club races in Britain in the 90s - I remember a Calibra which did 200mph, a 7 litre Vauxhall Carlton and a Hond Prelude that looked ready for Le Mans.
Let's not forget Baby Bertha was technically eligible for the 24hrs. Vauxhall Firenza on steroids, 5 Litre V8, Blydenstein.
Those *Group* *5* aerokits are badass TBH
There was also a group-5 Lotus Europa. Like the rest almost unrecognizable besides the doors. Crazy times. Love them!
ex F1 driver Rolf Stommelen was killed in a 935 at Riverside in April 83 after the rear wing broke. From pictures of the wreck the cage looked to have held up however Rolf died of head injuries, possibly I read somewhere the seat may have broken but cant confirm that.
Very tragic!
I've always loved the Group 5 cars! As a 1/32 scale slot car collector, they are among my favorite cars to have. They just look so bonkers, yet are still recognizable from the street car version. Great video!
Thank you! That's awesome, I played with slot cars here and there as a kid, but after watching how fast some of the modern ones can go, I kind of want to get back into them!
Yeah my favourite slot car I own is a group 5 zakspeed Capri
10:33 I caught you saying the word fire at the time it shot out, nice touch! That along with the rest of the video earns you a new sub
Thank you and welcome!
Loved that Era, and the days of IMSA just before "Factory" teams took over, and you had Privateers competing and winning against full on Factory teams, and the start of a lot of exotic materials, Carbon Fiber brakes being like $6k a corner. I think in the states it was late 70's, very early 80's.
Gr5 SP was so freaking great! the cars were amazing, The Skylines and the 320i Turbos being amongst my favourite, have a bop-ed grid setup in Assetto Corsa with a bunch of these beasts...... chiils even in sim.
Those where the days when watching a race was exciting.
Today is more interesting to look at a merry-go-round.
We still race, it's hard to get sponsors cause no one turns up to watch...
@@aussietruckphotosandmodels8510t's all fr it's all from.the couch now, yeah I like home comfort too, beer a pie and adrenalin!
Krause Ludwig was driver of that era for Zakspeed. Great program
Quite the wheelman he is!
I find the image at 2:55 to be quite fascinating. The Capri on the bottom of the page is a euro-spec MkIII built in either the British or Cologne Germany factory, and not a German Capri II for the US market. What I find interesting is, at first glance it would appear to have 390mm TRX wheels, but they are not.
To the best of my knowledge (for Ford) TRX was a USA only "wheel, tire, and suspension package" offered first in 1979 on the Mustang Pace Car and Mercury Capri (read Mustang).
That being said, the wheels in the 2:55 image are not TRX as the actual TRX wheels had a center cap that covered the lug nuts and the slots in each of the spokes were straight not tapered like those in the picture.
If anyone knows if the wheels shown were a Ford factory wheel or what brand they are please comment below.
As I am from the USA I have limited knowedge of all the many varietys of Capris found around the world. I learned to drive in a 79 Mustang Turbo 4 speed Pace Car and owned both a 1976 Mercury Capri II (Ford, Cologne Germany built) and a 1979 Mercury Capri RS (Mustang with TRX and factory box flairs).
Group 5 is the car racing i have always wanted
For me Group 5 is the most exciting category in the motor sports history. It was golden era for my age. Thank you for posting 👍
Agreed! Thank you for watching!
I love sim racing group 5 cars. Truly wild beasts. Good times.
Same here! I always end up picking the Capri 🙂
Cool video!
Regarding the chapter "chassis design", I think it might've missed a pretty important sidestepping of the rules made by Ford for the Capri in some cars in atleast one of the groups: as I recall, the original capri has a solid axle and rear leaf springs, and this was circumvented by retaining a very weak/soft leaf spring setup only to stay true to the rules, and combining it with a separate coilspring setup that did the actual grunt work!
... so a bit like Porsches double rear window but on an even larger scale :)
I gotta say that I'm surprised Porsche got away with the reprofiled hood and lowered headlights though.
Surely it must've been possible for FIA to state that the actual body shape was altered when the headlights were moved?
Thanks for the additional info, didn't know that! And yes, I had the same thoughts on Porsche's headlights, but I suppose maybe they were able to argue those shapes in the hood were part of the headlight? Either way, I'm sure their competitors weren't happy haha
Another great video! Thanks a lot!
Damn, I wish FIA allowed a new category with almost no limitations, letting brands go wild for a year or two at least...
The technological jump these categories granted was off the charts and boosted a lot of everything (materials, aerodynamics, all sorts of solutions, etc) for the years to come.
Thank you!
Speed over safety? Excellent.
😂 You wouldn't catch me driving one of those cars unless it was in a big open area with nothing to hit
I love the Group 5 car and I respect all the drivers who had the confidence to even sit in one. I loved this video because of how in depth you went into the topic, I never knew how much these cars really developed the racing world. Just a well put together video!
Thank you, really glad you enjoyed it!
The 935 was also extremely difficult to drive. It wasn’t just the turbo lag either. The weight bias and extremely squirrely chassis made the car understeer and oversteer in massive amounts. I remember an article I read at the time which confirmed pretty much everything here. I also remember an interview with Claude Ballot Lena, who was sharing a 935 with Bob Wollek. I think it was at Daytona in the early 1980s. Ballot Lena described to the incredulous interviewer how Wollek was using left foot braking even in the wet. _Left foot braking… in a 935…_ That’s a car in which the rear is already trying to overtake the front without that. Think about that for a second.
Yeah it's lagging, it's boosting oh oh too much boost and it's a straight going into a corner and it's wet... hairy
My favourite class in the Raceroom sim
Started to laugh my tears out when he showed what pininfarina did with that Mitsubishi Colt czc (5:19)🤣🤣🤣
We can't let them forget what they created🤣
Amazing ! And I have to say, racing was far more interesting then today, because the technical challenge among car makers! I' ve seen in the '80's a Zakspeed Ford Capri racing on a up hill race, during the european championship, in Svolte di Popoli: certainly it was fast, but the Osella of Nesti was umbelevebly faster! :)
But the cars were mental! hahahahaha. Very informative by the way.Thank you man 🤙
Glad you enjoyed!
Need to find these car photoshop guys to design modern iteration of Group 5 cars! R34 GTR, Lamborghini Gallardo, Ferrari 458, Ford 500GT or GT, Toyota Supra, BMW M3, Mercedes SLS AMG, so many 2000's era cars deserve this treatment!
That was very educational thank you
You're welcome, glad you enjoyed!
Group 5 is one of my absolute favorite racing classes ever!
Great video. Didn't realise group 5 had so many links to group B.
Thank you!
And from this competition that could grow a inspiration for Bosozoku sub-culture in Japan
Group B: the only cars which gain power the older they get.
i used to draw these cars as a kid but had no clue about the grouping let alone motor racing, i just thought they looked cool. great video
Most beautiful cars I ever seen❤
Returning to this video once again because I can't seem to find a contact email or anything so might as well give it a shot. Would you at all be interested in doing a further deep dive into the world of Group 5, covering the life (1977) and death (1981) of the regulations in the DRM and where the surviving Group 5 cars ended up today as well as overseas national championships like the Japanese Super Silhouettes? I feel it could be a great project with as much footage as I have on these cars.
I also created a mod for a simulator called Automobilista that is in the works to cover the entire DRM era, which could be extremely useful.
EDIT: Found your email :)
Group 5 is my all time favorite racing class
Nice work!
03:06 Correction. The frog-eye headlights were carried over to the bumper of the Porsche 935 not in 1978 but in 1976, when this car was created. One or two races were run with traditional 911-style headlights, then flat noses replaced them.
I had originally planned to mention more of the 935s prior to the 935/78 but it would have made the video far too long.
Excellent video
Concerning the engines:
Porsche went on to dominate Le Mans with nearly the exact same engine as the 935 for more than 15 years! It was used in 936, 956, 962, 911 GT1 and even the TWR LMP and the Dauer 962 in pretty similar configurations!
And for the Capri: squeezing 600+hp from a 1.7L L4 engine is still a crazy number even for todays standards!
Group 05 Special Production Cars Are The Best Cars In The Class That You Ever Seen Before.This Is Cool. Love It.❤
The Ford Capri. 🤤😎
The choice of the Capri's engines seems a bit odd. AFAIK they never produced a 1.4-litre version, they were 1.3l, 1.5l, 1.6l, 1.7l, 2.0l, 2.3l, 2.8l and 3.0l, so I wonder where they never went with the bigger options as they had the 2.0l, the 2.3l and the 3.0l from '69 onwards. A twin-turbo 2.8i might have been fun from '81, perhaps bored out to 3.2l, too! 😄
My first car was a freshly repainted black '82 reg 2.0S which I absolutely loved; there was nothing quite like racing your own rear-end around wet roundabouts, and looking good doing it! 😂
Sounds like you had a great time with that car! As far as the engine, my best guess is that they were trying to build as lightweight of a car as possible and had they gone with a larger displacement, the car would have had a higher minimum weight to meet. This was the era where manufacturers were really starting to experiment with turbos! Thanks for the comment!
The DRM used two classes, over 2 litre and under 2 litre similar to IMSA GTO and GTU. Turbo cars had a displacement factor of 1.4 compared to NA cars so the maximum capacity for turbo engines in the 2 litre class was 1.4 litres (1.4 litres displacement times 1.4 turbo factor = ~2 litres overall displacement).
Sempre que a porsche tem sucesso em corridas é em pista e sempre sensacional
Group 5 racing is one of the main reasons why I became a car enthusiast in the first place!! (including touring car racing and time attack). Fun fact: Group 5 became an inspiration for the Bozosoku era in Japan which later on led to the rise of widebody kits scene like the Rocket Bunny, Liberty Walk (LBWK Silhouette), RWB, and Pandem kit that we all know today!! Anyways, Group 5 still lives on in time attack racing scene in terms of aggressive aero kits and high powered machines (which you could normally find in unlimited class).
That makes a lot of sense actually when it comes to those Bozosoku cars! I remember the first time I saw a photo of one, I couldn't believe it was real haha
@@themotorsportstory ikr!! That's why Group 5 has a big impact to the car culture and aftermarket scene!!!! Especially NASCAR as well!!! Rocket Bunny/Pandem's kits has an inspiration from them as well!!! You could mostly see those NASCAR widebody looks on their S13 Silvias and EG hatchback Civics (which later on led to the rise of Kanjozoku scene which is basically JTCC style build for the street and you could still encounter those builds on time attack race events like Tsukuba and Suzuka Circuit)!!!
Absolute crime the corvettes weren’t mentioned loved the video
Thank you! I would love to do a separate video on the Greenwood Corvettes, it's just hard to find enough info and media on them.
What an amazing video!! Thank you. I'm the guy who built the replica Gp5 Montecarlo back in the 90's. I LOVE this stuff.
Thank you! I haven't built a scale model in a long time, but a quick look at your channel is making me want to get back into it!
I wish there was a series where all you had to do was fit your car into a box and send the regulatiing body 5 of your intended races cars so they can thoroughly crash test them for safety as well as dyno them in order to prevent TOO much power, for safety of course.
We actually have a burnt Group 5 Zakspeed Capri engine. It was in Vidar Sauthon’s Escort MK3/4 Rallycross supercar (EX Seppo Niittymäki) Sadly the car burnt down in a buss but the engine was partly saved. There are afew parts missing but that will sort out when we fix a guys tractor. He said if we fixed it we get everything we want and need. Not just for the Zakspeed engine😆. But we are thinking of buying the EX Kjetil Bolneset Ford Escort MK3/4 Supercar and putting the engine in that, to use it in Retro Rallycross in England.
If anyone is wondering if there's a simulator good for racing those, Raceroom has a pretty large selection of Group 5 cars, with the Zakspeed Capri, FABcar Porshe 935, BMW 320, Chevy Dekon Monza and Greenwood Corvette, Nissan Silvia and Skyline 2000RS, and they all feel REALLY nice.
Because it's not a very popular sim, you'll probably need to organize some people to completely fill a grid, but thankfully Raceroom not only has the option to race against AI despite being very online-focused, but also the AI is really good (and it doesn't require you to own any of the cars you want to put on the grid, only the one you want to drive)
You're the second comment to recommend Raceroom, I'll have to look into it! Played plenty of Pcars 2 Group 5, but I always love trying new sims.
I rather go to Historic Races than todays F1. Oh and please go to Bergrennen! I was there a few years a go when one dude showed up with a Lancer or what looked like one and that thing had up to 800 Horses. That is Mad and the fact that they Race on normal streets! Good Stuff
The Pininfarina Colt Cabriolet is such a strange looking car, especially from the rear...it looks like it was built backwards!
I just had to include it haha. I was shocked when I first found out Pininfarina was involved with that project.
The Dekon Monza was the business!!!
You should really look into FIA E2 regulations. They are mainly used in hillclimb but allow for extremely crazy cars. The new performance factor regulations for hillclimb leave a lot of space for extreme cars aswell.
Thought I'd watch it later, but ended up watching the whole video at once. Very interesting, well grouped information and nice storytelling style. As for a non-English-speaking user, there is also an understandable accent. Thank you. Speaking of crazy rules and cars, would you like to make a video about BTCC Super Touring cars in the 90s?
Thank you! BTCC in the 90s was amazing, so I appreciate the idea. I'll add it to my list of potential video ideas :)
Love the BMW E21 320i Turbo. 😍
haha so thats why the cars look like they are hiding underneath all the aero i didnt know they all had to retain specific body parts haha, it made for some interesting designs!
Honestly I'm not the biggest fan of circuit racing in general, but that doesn't mean I don't appreciate good bits of zaniness, absurdity and asinine tiptoeing around the rules from all over.
addendum: Whenever people start talking about how dangerous group B was, I refer them to John Ficarra's video on 'Indy's forgotten Speed Demon'. Where he talks about racing in the US back in the 1920's. Makes anything since the 40s look perfectly safe. Not just the cars, but the tracks too.
(Though I must admit, thanks to a couple of my nieces I have grown fond of sprint racing... they have been learning how to drive those with their gearhead of a dad, who likes racing powerboats... fun side of the family)
Thanks for the recommendation for the John Ficarra video! How wild! Powerboats are crazy too!
@@themotorsportstory I could listen to Ficarra ramble on about the history of cars and motorsport for days.
Yeah powerboats are nuts. The really are beasts. Two ton, 30 foot, single engine cranking out 525hp (for that particular class). He was Stock V APBA national champion (on throttle) a couple of years ago.
Wwoooh nice video !!! 👍
Thank you!
Great video, youtube algorithm doin work
Appreciate it! Yep, the algorithm liked this one thankfully, but I'm even more glad that the viewers are liking it too!
Excellent description, with graphics, for a novice fan. Thank you for the details, instead of the jargon and fast talk.
Thank you, that was the aim, so I'm glad to hear you enjoyed!
I've been studying the Zakspeed Turbo Capri for about 10 years and there aren't so many videos out there just the original oldtimer vids and zakspeed's own POV videos. The speedhunters article gives some great photos but this video really was needed to bring in some new fans! Long live the Zakspeed Capri! Deutsche Rennsport Meisterschaft (DRM) > (DTM) !!
Glad you enjoyed! And yes, that Speedhunters article had some of the best photos I could find anywhere. It's a shame there isn't more media available for such an amazing car.
There are also some Mucke motorsport videos of their Zakspeed Capri as well as their Cologne RS3100. There is also a channel called Belgiun-Motorsport thst features historic racing with plenty Zakspeed content.
Perfect!
Finally someone on the internet talks about the maddest regulations ever.
Fun fact, this is where a lot of kaido racers or "bosozoku cars" got they're inspiration from back in the day.
You can definitely see it! I always used to wonder where people got the idea to make cars that look that crazy!
Let’s take a moment to appreciate the fact that they envisioned a racing series where a 500cc car could race against an almost 500 cubic inch car.
No BMW e21 group 5 mentioned? That version of the M10 have birth to the M12
As a teen I loved these cars they literally ! Changed my life . I only wanted to work on(edit: motors in cars , motorcycles anything that went fast) from then on.
Check out that turbo blow off valve at 5:54 , air cooled with a controlled pressure dome ( aka Scramble GO GO GO baby ).
Edit Edit: you people who just read history back are boring, why and how could they get away with welding the heads on? I know how and It's so simple you can look at a Harly and understand how. Both motors are built with this simple bolt on cylinder only tricky part is getting valves parts in .
🤣I know how and why they could get away with it. The line about their "service technicians" was a joke if that's what you are referring to
Ya need to look at our Sports Sedans class here in Australia 🇦🇺 as it’s basically been as crazy or crazier since it’s inception.
Thanks for mentioning it! I'd never heard of it to be honest and now I have a new racing rabbit hole to go down haha!
cool to the that more people are learning about that legendary special "rule less" special production car based race cars aka GROUP 5 cars, which started in '76, now being an avid fan of this class and particular the German league, dominated by Ford, Porsche & BMW and from '80 after a quick retirement by legendary and fierce driver Hans Heyer, who raced for Ford Werks with the RS MKI Capri's and the HIGHLY innovative little German forward thinking race car builders Zakspeed, who since '68 had 2 decade plus relationship with Ford, as of '77 Group introduced a 2nd Division, with displacement rules dictated 2Lit. N/A or 1,4Lit Turbo charged, now this WERE the ERA of the TURBO (personally i'm a Carbie guy 🙂 whereas Div. 1 were 2Lit. upwards, but within 3,3ish turbo charged which became mandatory in Div.1, now it would get a bit complicated as they would often race both Divisions in the same race AS WELL as some of the bigger teams and the lesser known teams, would drive Group 2 spec. cars too, BUT as i was about to say Heyer who put Zakspeed on the forefront when he became their star driver with their Mk II based, N/A Ford Escort 1800, HIGHLY modified obviously in Div 2. as Zakspeed, where masters in Group 2 and Mr Zakspeed himself Erich Zakowski and later on his son Peter, KNEW and had a philosophy in I4cyl. engine's and LIGHT packaging to say it simple, and they had success right from the get-go against BMW's 320i aka the Flying Brick (although the Zakspeed MKII Escort wasn't exactly less boxy) but AS ALWAYS they were underpowered, but STILL, now Porsche being at this point the only Div 1 brand along with their customer teams, with what began as we know now as a 935/77A -/78A & /79, plus other private teams who would built a 935 out of a 930 Turbo (the homologation car for the Group 4 934, they also had a NON 911 based Group 6 car the 936, which they would continue focusing on post '78 as they agreed that, even though it was understood by the "pro" customer teams that the Works car would be a bit more advanced, ahead than the customer cars, the 935/78 which Porsche has a tendency to do, being the team that has won Le Mans all over the most time throughout the years, where built with that in mind, which led to conclusion as they claimed as ethical reasons, as Moby Dick as it known as, were a BIT too ahead of the SLIGHTLY expensive customer cars, to not race in the inter series, WHICH led to more than ever a CERTAIN customer team to take the lead for Porsche; Kremer and their K3 and the 2 built K4's, they built one K1 and one K2, and 12 K3's, plus 3 conversions AND selling 16 KITS, all but K1, which was a modified 934, hence the allowance for what was known as a 934/5, the K2 were a modified, externally as well, which became Kremer's claim to success, based on the 13 built 935/77A's and 15 /78A's were built, and 7 /79's were built, mainly for the US market) BMW began in '76 with their last CS aka CSL 3,5's (which they also raced in Group's 2 and 4, and which ended it's production run in '75) enter 320i, (also in Group 2) and what became a nightmare for BMW, as their intended Group 4 and Group 5 car, their first AND last mid engined 2 seat sports car, the; M1 which s a long story in itself including a certain Italian brand who were contracted to help design this car, who went bankrupt along the way) although intended for a '78 release it was finally released in '79 for homologation, due to Group 4, as for group 5 cars were not obliged to be homologated if you only raced the car in that class, now Porsche DID made an attempt i DIv 2 in '77 with their 935/77 2.0 (featuring a specially built 1,4Lit Turbo charged engine) but they didn't seem to be too interested i that, and come '78 and the release of the Ford Capri MK III, Zakspeed built the first of 5 (NOT 4 as many think/believe's and i'm not counting the ones whose chassis' were re-numbered, but to give you a hint the first Zakspeed Turbo Capri were burnt to the ground in Sep '80 after an unfortunate training session with Hans Soldeck behind the wheel, after he took over the car full time from '80) CLEVERLY built Zakspeed Ford "Turbo" Capri's with Hans Heyer as their MAIN driver, who was also heavily involved in the development of the first Turbo Capri, sponsored, as the their Group 5 MK II Escort's; Mampe, featuring a HIGHLY modified or rather using the core from Ford's 1,3Lit Kent engine feat Cosworth styled BDA head with mech. F.I and a single of twin KKK mech. turbo charger's, as their 1,4Lit. engine, now with the EVER more complications of the Group 5 rules that exeeded those 2 sides of papers, and Germans are VERY good with bureaucracy which led to BMW having to enter their Group 4 spec'd N/A M1's in Group 5 until early '81 or late '80 with a N/A Group 5 approved version of the M1, and from '81 with a turbocharged version of their engine (yes they also had their own M1 Procar series too,which belongs to that epic story) and come 1980 Zakspeed enters the BIG league as in Div 1 with ZAK G5 C1/80, which later in the year, due to the aforementioned crash, and the fact that the rules dictated that Div 1 cars had to have it's own chassis no. vs the Div 2 cars, now up to pre crash Zakspeed now had 4 cars, so being in a though spot at the end of the '80 season and having been disqualified from leading the season die their initial "forbidden" rear wing, where a certain team as in Kremer claimed it wasn't within the rules, although THIS has been debunked by a few different parties who were qualified enough and having gone through the rules in Div 1 which at this stage WAS NOT as rule less as it began as, quite the contrary, that it says NOWHERE in those rules that Zakspeed were not allowed to have used or being disqualified due to said "super spoiler", the REAL reason, which is a long story in it self, but Zakspeed's new star driver for said Turbo Capri were EX Kremer Klaus Ludwig, who along with the INFAMOUS Whittington Bros. HAPPENED to just having won Le Mans in '79, a BIG deal for at the time a small customer team like Kremer, although for Porsche, with the VERY first built 935/K3, but as we now know the Whittington bros, did not only buy seats for the Kremer team, being adrenaline junkies, and there's a specific reason for that, ALSO bought the car as THEY wanted to drive the car first AND which we know now, as they came from the other side of the law, they installed NOS to that rather powerful (small) 3,2Lit air to air twin turbo boxer engine, including the rare Kugelfischer injection set up, which would make up to 790BHP and add some extra oxygen on top of that, welll....they KNEW they had a spare engine) SO Kremer were of course UPSET by Ludwig's change of team/brand main competitor, which Zakspeed had SHOWN in Div 2 leading up to '80, and with the return of Hans Heyer and going for Fiat-Lnacia's mid engined 4cyl turbocharged Monte Carlo Beta cars, who ended up winning the German league in 1980, with Div. 1 and 2 points combined, but this led to Zakspeed improving EVEN more on what initially were the first to build a monocoque styled chassis from a production based street car, but now ALSO being the first to build as part of the improvement of the Turbo Capri as the first procdction based race car to feature ground effects with a REALLY radical rear (as you see in this great video) and now having a increased the displacement to 1,7Lit. with either a BIG single turbo or twin turbo's and initially one inter cooler, but at this point 2 inter cooler's, and putting out 592 BHP, and thus, post crash the ZAK G5 C1/80 became C2/80 but being the same car but now with an improved 1,4Lit. engine as for '81 they put him in Div. 2 and enter Manfred Winkelhock and their last built chassis as in chassis ZAK G5 C1/81 which FINALLY led to Zakspeed winning the German series in '81, with the Div. 1 car's 1,7Lit. engine's output of 592BHP and Ludwig's now turned Div. 2 car and it's improved 1,4Lit engine capable of a max output of 552BHP, against Kremer's K3/K4 and BMW's M1 Turbo cars and their respective 6cyl. engines with with at least 800BHP and Lancia's 1,4Lit. 4.cyl engine's putting out 465BHP and 1,8 Lit. puting out 500-550BHP, oh and BMW's at this stage highly modified 320i 1,4Lit. 4cyl. engine's with an output of 475ish BHP, Ford/Zakspeed DESERVEDLY AND once again proved the fact that, on a WW basis that when Ford decides to go ALL in and win, records proves over many decades that this is true, now yes i AM a Ford guy, but i LOVE Porsche's and some BMW's and KNOW how GOOD of brand they are in general, and as a matter fact one of my ALL time top 3 fave Porsche's ARE in fact the AMAZING and BADASS 935/K3, so that is my SLIGHTLY long comment to this great video, and it makes me happy that more people get's reminded or discover these INSANE production based; Silhouette cars as they were/are known/referred to as well aka these special Group 5 cars, raced from '76-'81, and this got EPIC, but that's what you get with a NERD/ENTHUSIAST like me, although my fave cars are '60 American V8 powered Muscle Cars
Wow thanks for all the thorough info! I had heard about the Zakspeed "forbidden" wing but couldn't find hardly anything on it. You've answered a lot of questions I had while researching this video! 🙂
@@themotorsportstory you're welcome, i have soo much info as well as i had to EDIT what i originally wrote HEAVILY as it expanded the amounts of words i could use, i don't know how many experience this, i have on a few occasions hehe, but, no if you google Zakspeed Ford Turbo Capri, the first hit thy will give is a spam filled site with HIGHLY generic info about this, nothing new there, as well, won't get into politics, but google gives you the answers THEY want you do know 😕 so one has to scroll a bit and go to page 2-3 and then you will find more, there's a book written about Zakspeed, i haven't read it, and i think's it is in German Only, however i speak German so i've watched EVERYTHING there is to know about Zakpeed and SPECIALLY concerning the LEGENDARY Turbo Capri's that defeated both Porsche, i DO have quite a bit of knowledge concerning the 935's btw Porsche already changed the front to a slanted one already with their 935/76 just before racing it for the first time in Le Mans in '76, raced by Rolf Stommelen, and after Porsche continued concentrating on their group 6 (later Group C, where Ford would race their version of Ford's new Le Mans car, the C100, where Niedzwiedz would take over Winkelhock's "killer Capri" and it did quite well along the C 100/4's and Porsche's/Lancia's and BMW's Group C cars 🙂and their stint with trying to go to the US with Ludwig with the Foxbody GTX and the Mustang GTP and the Mustang Probe cars, ended up being a disaster, can' win them all) Kremer REALLY took over and made improved customer cars compare to the last Werks cars from Porsche with their 12 built (plus 3 conversions and 16 sold KIT's) K3's and the 2 built K4's, one which Interscope records/racing bought, but didn't race, as they went instead for Lola's latest GTP car powered by a turbocharged Chevy V6, talkin about having money to waste, though it still exits in a private collection, and John Fitzpatrick Racing bought Kremer's own Jagermeister sponsored K4 and rebuilt it for GTP, as it exists today, and the "last ultimate" 935 were Roy Woods' Coca Cola sponsored custom built, inc a Lola front end, moncoque body, known as the 935 84, as the 935's really catch'ed on in the US post the German/Group 5 class ended WW, and yes it did continue in the in what became Group, former Group 3, and specially when you see the Audi Quattro S1 the Walter Rhörl raced at Pikes Peak, it really has that classic Group 5 look to it, and fiercely fast too, and all wheel drive too, oh and btw Kremer also extended upon that 2 rear windows even further with their K3's, although, that got changed as it was not considered legal, just a classic way of interpreting the rules, a classic and known thing amongst race car builders hehe...anyways, good luck and THERE IS MUCH to talk about Group 5 racing 🙂 and that's what i got so excited to see someone shining a light on it, and the cars that remain to indeed get raced in historical endurance racing, a lot in Germany as part of the DRM days, before becoming DTM in other words, from German race car championship to German Touring Cars Championship, to translate it for you 🙂 and thanx for the positive feedback, much appreciated and glad to be of some help 🙂
Group 5 was spechial.
Nice video.
Thank you!
Thank you for this. I’m doing a groupm5 kit for my car
Hope it turns out well!
The reason Group B is remembered so much vividly: they raced in very narrow roads between trees and/or mountains.
This was rallying, different from circuit racing. However, Group B also had circuit racing at the same time.
Group 5 needs to come back
Damn, these cars are nuts! Im glad that porshe made a modern remake of the moby dick since i Saw one at a car show a few years back, it was a beauty
They did a great job capturing the original car while still making something that looked futuristic!
Great video, was such a great era for racing would love therm to go back to this kind of fun engineering, maybe just limit the fuel they are allowed to have for the race that way power would not go out of control and they would have to balance power and fuel economy.
I would love that too! I'm sure with modern safety innovations there could be a fair compromise between cool engineering and not killing people.
@@themotorsportstory The closest thing to ridiculously overpowered "street derived" cars with crazy power would probably be current SuperGT cars and late 2010s DTM cars, though there are more restrictions.
Nit picking but neither of my favourite Gp.5 cars were mentioned in this video or appeared in it.
Not sure why - one of them is the Zakspeed Escort (Ford Europe), and the other is the Dallara Icsunonove (Fiat/Lancia).
You do mention Dallara's involvement with the Lancia Montecarlo/Scorpion regarding the spaceframe and suspension, but not the X1/9.
The Dallara Icsunonove is the only Dallara based on a production car and is significant for that.
The Lancia Beta, wasn't a Dallara car per se, and neither are the Lancia LC1 or LC2 although you can clearly see who developed those!
I'm trying to find out who developed the engine and transmission in the Beta Gp.5.
It's a 5-speed manual (inline transaxle) with close ratios and a LSD, probably developed by Fiat's subsidiary Abarth.
The Dallara Icsunonove is even more interesting imo, being even smaller capacity (1300cc) DOHC 16V of an unusual design in which one camshaft drives both the inlet and exhaust valves and the other drives a mechanical fuel injection system.
Sadly, very little footage exists from that period.
But thanks for uploading this 🙂👍
Glad you enjoyed! I ended up settling on the few cars which had the most information out there to give people a good introduction to Group 5, but I'm definitely open to making more videos focusing on specific cars in the future. I actually came across the Icsunonove in my research and was disappointed there wasn't more information available on it!
@@themotorsportstory it's very obscure, the Icsunonove.
Pretty sure information exists if you know the right people but otherwise not.
Anyone considering making a programme about it would need a budget, and would probably arrange a visit to the Dallara museum in Italy, likely with an interpreter!
Love the zacspeed capri
They were ‘tested’ in some severe crashes. Poor Rolf Stommelen died in a Moby Dick. 😢
Somehow I missed this before making the video. Very unfortunate and tragic!
@@themotorsportstory No worries. And thank you so much for the video as these cars deserve more attention.
Lancia paid the highest price for using Alu tubes for their construction in the later Group B Lancia 0.37 and the Delta S4 both accidents taking place on the same event Corsica but a year apart both accident were end in the Death of the Drive in the 0.37 case and Both the Driver and Co-Driver in the 2nd case. these may be now classed as gold periods has was every year from the 50's until the late 80's by which time both the FIA / FISA and the teams and drivers were fully behind safety over crazy race cars.
Group 5 Cars specifically in Japan influenced street builds, but we know them as Bosozoku
8:53 Porsche 935 K3 did win Le Mans overall beating all prototypes. Moby dick was merely a distinct bodywork variant of a hugely successful race car.
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Nicely done Sir, a great synopsis of a little known but fantastic period of motorsport history .... and some phenomenal footage!
Thank you, glad you enjoyed!
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Kremer 935 ❤!
The 2 cars that do stick out are the Zakseed capri's and the Kremer 935 Porsche. Both legendary.
There are still 2 Zakspeed Capri's and a few Kremer Porsches competing in historic racing around Europe alongside many other fantastic cars from the era like the Cologne RS3100 Capri, BMW CSL, BMW M1 Procar to mention a few.
I've been to a lot of those races of the Deutsche Rennsport Meisterschaft (what means npthing else then German Racing Championchip). The Air Force racetrack at mainz-Finthem was my hometrack, while I went to the Ring and to Hockenheim for the Jim Clark rememberance races. And every year to Nürnberg, where the race took place at the Norisring, which was mostly the former Reichsparteitagsgelände... A lot of fantastic races, always the fight of the Ford underdoge against the 935's in the larger division. The Capri had the so called "Dampfrad" (power wheel), where they could increase the turbo pressure for a certain amount of time. After that, the engine blows up. I remember one race at Finthen, where Manfred Winkelhock was even beside Bob Wollek, using the Dampfrad a little to much and re damaged the car seriously. Such fantastic pilots as Stommelen and Wollek for Porsche. Heyer for Ford and Lancia and Ludwick, Winkelhock, Ertl and van Ommen for Ford, just to name a few.