An Israeli adult serves 20 years for manslaughter, and a Palestinian child would be sentenced to 20 years for throwing a stone. That’s a sickening fact.
20 years is the maximum of the sentence for throwing rocks. The courts in Israel usually sentence for a year or two in prison or even lighter penalties.
@@Userx36625 so letting them throw stones and put Israelis lives in danger? When you hear about them throwing stones you probably think they throw those small stones in the size on your AirPods case, they throw stones in the side of your phone or even bricks. That’s deadly
It definitely is no wonder that the Palestinians feel anger towards the Israeli state, when they face such an oppressive system of judicial military courts
if the Palestinians could create a lawful, peace keeping state, they would. but they are a nation of bloodthirsty violent people which non of their allies support. They get no support because they are in love with death more than they crave life. When they lay down their way of violence, peace will be in the middle east.@@Boogalyhu
@@8isyes, every state has military court, but it only used for military personnel or rare case civilians. But when you have basically two separate court system on the base of "who did the act" it's no longer serve it purpose of "military court". The fact Palestinian almost always went to military court, while Israeli went to civil court for doing the same crime is clear evidence of the injustice
Remember when Israel called for the UN Secretary General's resignation for daring to say that the Oct 7 attack "did not occur in a vaccuum" and called for a ceasefire?
The West gave him heat for that, too. Even though, what Guterres said was an unremarkable truth. It was bare minimum the Secretary General could have done, but even that was too much.
@@8is It is true that this is a military occupation. But in most military occupations, the occupying power does not seize land to establish settlements for their citizens.
I sat next to a Palestinian on a train for 3 hours and they talked about this. That Palestinians are so crowded when they leave they’re shocked at the open sky. That people related to people Israel killed are imprisoned on the anniversary of the death in case they’ll commit violence in retribution. Every year his friend is arrested, imprisoned. He can’t complete school or have a life. He’s constantly in prison. This kind of injustice doesn’t exist without reaction. God help us all. Let their be justice without violence.
“the problem is that the focus is on reforming this system, rather than asking if the system is fundamentally flawed” is both a very powerful sentiment and tragically applicable to so many ongoing injustices in the world
Reformism is an instrument to hide power imbalances under the rug, used by those who don't want any compromise because they are afraid of losing their privileges.
@@jojodroid31 "fundamentally flawed" means that its fundament, the underlying idea, is flawed, not just the execution of that idea. Reform will never change that underlying idea. Instead, the system needs to be abolished and replaced by a better system. Reform in this context would mean ensuring Palestinians have access to lawyers and translators. At best, it means getting rid of the two-tier judicial system in place. Which would be a good thing. But the underlying issue is the occupation of the West Bank and the blockade of Gaza. And ending those injustices would mean not needing this two-tier system, not needing to imprison thousands of Palestinians. This can't be tackled by judicial reform though. It needs diplomacy and good will, two things Netanyahu is unwilling to give.
@JorgeRiverosTales who asked about your opinion? Your comment is nonsense, he appreaciated the video. What's your problem with him appreciating the video? Making suppositions that he wouldn't like it if it's another story. Instead of focusing on the real matter and on reality of what's happening, you're living in the clouds in your own world fantasizing about an alternative reality while showing madness to someone who appreaciates the quality of real uncensored journalism. You should really get some help and just take a moment, a simple minute to see what's wrong with you
Everyday I learn more about Israel and everyday my support for Palestine grows. Yesterday Motaz shared footage of a man's arm sticking out from a bombed building. A tea bag nearby. He just wanted a cup of tea, a moment of peace. This isn’t self defence, this is murder.
And before you say "innocent". None of them are. None. Some civilians also entered Israel on October 7, and help with the killings and kidnapping - it is literally in the capture videos. You can spot kids and even old people. (None of them!) Some of our hostages were died in hospitals by civilians when they underrstoof the people are Jews. One of the hostages even confirmed she was held captive in an UNRA employee teacher house, at his basement and was beaten to stay quite. Again, all of them. And even if it not all, only 50/50, I would certainly not bet my life on it.
Because Palestinians of the West Bank have their own Goverment, their own laws, and their own justice system which vox just ignore. The military court is used only when Palestinians involved in terrorism against Israelis citizens.
Well i don't believe that they are doing real journalism, comparing when rus vs ukr war, Vox and Johnny Harris personal channel have more cover on that than isl vs pls, not because they have more time to do it, but because they willing to do it. You can see their upload date time, frequency, even to this day, they still talking about rus vs ukr war.
Unfortunately, people won't be better informed because people The West especially Israel and the US simply don't view Palestinians and Arabs as humans. So the truth, even if shown to them, won't sway them
@@FitraRahimyour statement doesnt make sense, but i give u benefit of the doubt… so what constitute “real”journalism? How equal should it be to be considered “real”?
Cover more detail, example "it's start from british colloni...." you know, blame all this to britsh won't tell ppl the truth and it's also a technique for hiding something, why don't they tell who sign the treatry and who ri-ch people influence to do it? Dont picky words. Example : Dai vs kllid. where's the upload frequency just like ukr vs rus? And demo-ni-zations to opressor side, such as targetting important leader like : "Putin"? Off course, they don't wanted ended up to be backrupt because lack of funding or donor from some important people : Example : Vice. @@arel4333
actually I think the first few seconds where Vox mentions that Palestinians killed over 1000 Israelis o start this war is the only informative part of this video.
@@jkromes20 It's been going on for years. Some of the kids being held literally grow up in these prisons. But in a way I understand. The States is huge and people are mostly doing their thing rather than finding out what the foreign policy is about. But if the politicians are bought and paid for then up to the grass roots movement to push for change.
I see it in another light. It's amazing how many people knows this fact and using it as an excuse to ignore other facts. Just like the ones sticking to children are dying when trying to shut down people sympathetic to Israel. It is more complex than that, but Vox failed to ask Israelis officials to put some context how this came to be.
Chomsky is one to talk. On a separate note of his description of Palestine, his fabrication of the Bosnian genocide in the 90’s or Bangul genocide by the Pakistani shouldn’t be trusted, just saying in case you find those works!
At a certain point, you have to assume people are just choosing to ignore to the facts. You can't constantly claim self defense, while at the same time controlling the courts, the economy, the roads, the water, the food, the borders, the sea, and the airspace for a country that doesn't have a functioning government or a standing military. It's not a war, it's a military superpower carpet bombing people throwing stones.
"It is with great sadness that I must also conclude that my country has sunk to such political and moral depths that it is now an apartheid regime. It is time for the international community to recognise this reality as well." -Michael ben-yair, former attorney general of Israel
Well one thing we can be sure of Isreal better hope the west US government stays strong because china russia and most of the global south have absolutely no love for them
Go tell that to the US which is still praising Israel as being "the only demcoracy in the middle east" while every human rights organization, even those in israel like B'tselem, are screaming that israel is getting closer and closer to building its own gas chambers
In the 80s, when Israel invaded Lebanon, my father and all men of his village (around 500) were imprisoned without charge for 3 months under horrific conditions. Open air prison with no toilets, washing with ice cold water bucks. After this experience he joined armed resistance and they managed to force the Israel military occupation out of Lebanon. So these prisons are basically breeding places for resistance fighters.
It’s sad, and people still wonder why the Palestinians won’t agree to capitulating the Israeli agenda for “peace,” if you can even call it that. How could anyone take an “offer” like that seriously when this is what’s happening to their people?
Because Palestinians are weak and if people are weak, they have to compromise to a deal which might not give them the best benefits, otherwise they suffer more like what Palestinians are having.
It's interesting to see how a simple choice of vocabulary can define the narrative. So basically when hamas takes captives they're 'hostages' and when israel takes captives they're 'prisoners'
Like JFK once said, when peaceful revolts failed, violent ones become inevitable. It's hard to grasp how under the continuous bombing, mass murder, and humiliation, Palestinians still show heart, for instance, to their release captives, and overall steadfastness and character to the world.
Mandela said the same thing too. Also there’s this quote by Stokely Carmichael: “in order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience. The United States has none.” The countries that support Israel are shams and only use Human Rights laws when it suits them…
It’s unique that Israelis have Arabs in their Parliament. The two cultures really don’t like living in the same neighborhoods. The hostages released by Hamas lived in damp and dark conditions in the tunnels, food provided was hit and miss.
I should also add that the west bank, according to international law, is illegally occupied and is not israeli territory, meaning that israel has NO RIGHT to arrest any palestinian civilian there as it's not within its jurisdiction an illegal occupying force, and still does it in huge numbers
Oh, i should also mention that under the same articles of international law, palestinians in the West Bank have a right of armed resistance, so killing an IDF soldier (or an illegal settler) shouldn't be considered a crime
Nope, comparing their jobs, excitement, word picking between rus vs ukr war vs this war, I don't think they doing real journalism here. You know it's obviously they playing safe on this topic.
@@FitraRahim Classic move--when new information is presented which makes you feel uncomfortable and conflicts with what you already want to believe, discredit the source. Dig your heels in further.
Excellent piece. Accurate, concise, and easy to understand for those not well-versed in the the complexities of Israel's apartheid "justice" system. Well done Vox to you and your team of researchers and producers.
According to article 66 in the very 4th Geneva convention they mentioned, residents of the area at war shall be judged by a military court. Furthermore, the claims of abusing that power are baseless - I invite you to look at the prisoners Israel released in return for its innocent citizens a few weeks ago, it is public. All of these “Children an Womem” are convicted terrorists who have either stabbed or threw stones on IDF soldiers, sometimes murdering them or citizens.
Accurate? An outsider view using the common language used by " resistance " with selected talking points and the opinions of 100% of pro-palestinians people. There are truths in it, but no Israelis to put it in context. That is not true journalism. Numbers without context, like at the end are just used to force an opinion on you.
Vox thank you so much for your meaningful journalism on this topic. You did a wonderful job of explaining the facts of the oppression that can be observed in the Isreali system. You did a wonderful job of removing "religion" as a talking point and focusing on the undeniable truth of what has happened. I hope this gets shared far and wide.
According to article 66 in the very 4th Geneva convention they mentioned, residents of the area at war shall be judged by a military court. Furthermore, the claims of abusing that power are baseless - I invite you to look at the prisoners Israel released in return for its innocent citizens a few weeks ago, it is public. All of these “Children an Womem” are convicted terrorists who have either stabbed or threw stones on IDF soldiers, sometimes murdering them or citizens.
It is very much about religion. the quran calls for the killing of everyone who isn't muslim and specifically to the destruction of israel. and yes the quran mentions israel as the land of the jews.@@KenBladehart
Thanks Vox for being honest about this topic. It was interesting though how you managed to avoid calling it an Apartheid system. Please dig into any aspect of this conflict, and only showing the truth will be a big victory for those people who were neglected by all the international organizations.
Palestinians have a de-facto state and they are judged by their authority (the Palestinian Goverment) under Palestinian law. Only security-related crimes against Israelis are judged under the military court. So it's not an Apartheid...
@@idonahshon1118it’s apartheid against Gaza though, there’s no PLO there. Israel controls all water and electricity supplies and limits it as it wishes. Clear apartheid.
@@therealgenju9429 they are often prosecuted under Israeli military courts, under Israeli law, a system that does not have Habeas corpus as a essential principle, that often do not provide public defenders, that use a language that the defendant could very well not understand well if not at all. and only security related crimes might be the official definition but its clear that the laws give Israeli military courts a much wider scope.
Apartheid was more about Segregation of race and discriminatory laws which were called Petty apartheid laws in order for white people to gain complete control of South Africa we had what was called
Wow! We americans often discuss having two different judicial systems for ppl of different races, but not even we literally have that! We really have made this place the worst version of us!
@@8is But you have to be military to be court marshaled to a military court here in the US. Even if a family member commits a crime on a military base, they are not put before a judge in a military court. at most, they will be sent before a federal court. Israel is putting civilians in front of a military court claiming that those civilians are committing crimes against the military or the peace and thus need to be sent before those courts.
So if I get this right, if a settler move into your house and throw you out of the house, and you tried to get back into the house, but the IDF soldier behind the settler told you not to. And if you still do, you would be sentenced to 20 years in prison?
The world hesitates to expose crimes of Israel because they would have to act accordingly. Suffering of Palestinians has been swept under the thick rug of blind devotion to a deeply flawed culture.
That was very informative, specially for anyone who questions whether it's an apartheid state. My eldest kid is 12, I can't imagine them going to prison for 20 years for throwing a stone.
@@KorotkovAntonmaybe u should stay in ur home in Europe and colonize a peaceful inviting country who was kind to you yet u created a genocide against them
Everyone needs to condemn Israel for allowing their settlers go rampant in the West Bank the same way we need to condemn Hamas for their terror attack. This way we may be able to come to a 2 state solution with gradually increasing peace in the region overtime. We need to quit seeing one side as evil and bring both sides to concessions and peace.
If you would focus on the matter enough, you'll realize that there are no sides, but the media doesn't show the historical and political details which leads to make foreigners (Americans / anyone with recent knowledge of the matter ) believe that the case is 2 sided.
Evangelicals in the US esp the South see it as a crusade to regain the holy land. The ones that wave Confederate flags, loved Segregation, Jim Crow Laws, supported wars in Iraq & Vietnam. I'm not saying they are racist bigots but....
"Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can't help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East."--------Father John Sheehan
@@kingace6186 nope actually they would still hate the us if Israel didn't exist - see it's called radical Islam, like the 9/11 guys... They hate the US because of it's support for moderate Muslim countries such as Saudi (yeah I know but they're the moderates)
The Ottoman Empire was not exactly friendly, to the point that Europeans began the Age of Sail and subsequent colonization of the rest of the world just to get around what was effectively the Turkish blockade of the Silk Road.
This dual injustice system is also similar applied in the media. Means palestinians and muslims are always bad and israelis are always good or the victims
it is not an injustice system. If the palestinias dont want to be part of israel so they dont have israeli nationality and therefor cant use the system for civilians. And also, thus system is not only for palestinias, soldiers are judeged there too because as a soldier you are not civilian.
@@yaarasaidon6806 Watch the video, almost all prisoners are taken from the occupied West bank, not from Israel proper. They have no right to arrest anyone there.
and occupied west bank is occupied because? the long complex history of the region boils down to weak government of Palestine making choices against their own interest and being influenced by other arab nations to continue a conflict even as 3rd party western nations tried to guarantee their borders thru UN. Best example of it can be see in the simple fact that Hamas is de facto government of Gaza while being independent from PLA, so this one made up country that has no borders somehow has 2 governments neither of which can speak on behalf of palestinian people since neither of them have legitimate governments. Palestine as a country has only been recognized in 2012, until then it has very few countries recognizing it which were mostly other muslim countries, the reason for that is because Palestinian representatives have shot down any previous border agreements and were pushed into war with Israel by neighbouring arab nattions. @@AntwanMounir
Have you noticed a number of women and children being captured? What right does Israel have to arrest them? Did you notice the difference between those held captive by resistance soldiers and occupation soldiers?
@@yaarasaidon6806that's the problem. you call a 16 year old kid that throws a rock a criminal?, and convict him to 20 years, so like he got the same punishment as a killer.
Thank you for your honesty and integrity, the truth has always been there for anyone who`s looking, unfortunately, there are very few who care enough to look for it.
Not “as always”. Vox was once one of the most neoconservative of mainstream media. Look back at any video of theirs around the middle east that’s over 5 years ago. This is a real shift and a very recent change in Vox. I’m very glad to see it
I thank you and applaud you for your journalistic integrity in detailing the context of the Palestine crisis, for simplifying the issues to those who argue its complexity as a means to divert the attention from the truth. The only criticism of the video is that you explained in essence the definition of apartheid without mentioning the word apartheid. Nonetheless I am glad Vox are doing more journalism than practically every major news corporation in the western world.
An Israeli adult serves 20 years for manslaughter, and a Palestinian child would be sentenced to 20 years for throwing a stone. That’s a sickening fact.
20 years is the maximum of the sentence for throwing rocks.
The courts in Israel usually sentence for a year or two in prison or even lighter penalties.
@@michal_tsa that’s not normal either!
@@Userx36625 so letting them throw stones and put Israelis lives in danger?
When you hear about them throwing stones you probably think they throw those small stones in the size on your AirPods case, they throw stones in the side of your phone or even bricks. That’s deadly
@@michal_tsatwo year for throwing a stone?? Even a children?? Wow truly civilized people
@@michal_tsaso?
It definitely is no wonder that the Palestinians feel anger towards the Israeli state, when they face such an oppressive system of judicial military courts
This is just a small slice of the injustice wrought upon the Palestinians.
if the Palestinians could create a lawful, peace keeping state, they would. but they are a nation of bloodthirsty violent people which non of their allies support. They get no support because they are in love with death more than they crave life. When they lay down their way of violence, peace will be in the middle east.@@Boogalyhu
It is an apartheid state after all. Just the court system alone proves how deeply oppressive the system is.
@@googane7755 Literally every country has separate civilian and military courts.
@@8isyes, every state has military court, but it only used for military personnel or rare case civilians. But when you have basically two separate court system on the base of "who did the act" it's no longer serve it purpose of "military court". The fact Palestinian almost always went to military court, while Israeli went to civil court for doing the same crime is clear evidence of the injustice
Keeping a dead prisoner has to be one of the most disgusting practices ive heard about
There have been reports of stealing organs too..
Israel has the largest skin bank in the world, ask me why…
Hamas are doing that now and have been doing that since the beginning of the intefadas
Remember when Israel called for the UN Secretary General's resignation for daring to say that the Oct 7 attack "did not occur in a vaccuum" and called for a ceasefire?
The West gave him heat for that, too. Even though, what Guterres said was an unremarkable truth. It was bare minimum the Secretary General could have done, but even that was too much.
The un helps China with their atrocities
Things don't happen in a vacuum, except when they do. - Scientists
Well if you call for a ceasefire but you don't call for bringing back the hostages, than you failed as a UN secretary General
what about the uncharged palestinian prisoners, eh? do they not have a right of freedeom?
@@cyriljanda2609
Israeli military court has a 99.76% conviction rate. It’s basically gulag court for Palestinians 💔🇵🇸
even people who aren't charged with a crime get held in prison for years
Zionism is basically Manifest Destiny 2.0.
Nazionism at its finest
Isn't that higher than Japan's?
@@GTAVictor9128I mean it's an ethno/religious nationalist ideology. Not that that ones that gain sufficient power and support would act this way.
How can this be described as anything other than apartheid?
Military occupation.
There is a reason people have been calling it a prison state for decades.
@@8is It is true that this is a military occupation. But in most military occupations, the occupying power does not seize land to establish settlements for their citizens.
It can be described as a concentration camp.
Amnesty International is on record as using the word apartheid to describe the West Bank situation.
So why are you referring to them as Palestinian prisoners when the militant wing of Israel arrested them without charge? They're hostages as well.
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Because that would mean they're in the wrong and similar to Hamas and God forbid that. They want to be assumed in the right even if they aren't...
They are called prisoners because they were arrested not kidnapped.
Because Israel is awful and needs that distinction to try and come off like they aren’t
@@trevorrathnam8949 you mean kidnapped by an internationally recognized government, because that’s the only difference I see here
I sat next to a Palestinian on a train for 3 hours and they talked about this. That Palestinians are so crowded when they leave they’re shocked at the open sky. That people related to people Israel killed are imprisoned on the anniversary of the death in case they’ll commit violence in retribution. Every year his friend is arrested, imprisoned. He can’t complete school or have a life. He’s constantly in prison. This kind of injustice doesn’t exist without reaction. God help us all. Let their be justice without violence.
“the problem is that the focus is on reforming this system, rather than asking if the system is fundamentally flawed” is both a very powerful sentiment and tragically applicable to so many ongoing injustices in the world
Reformism is an instrument to hide power imbalances under the rug, used by those who don't want any compromise because they are afraid of losing their privileges.
The system is intentionally flawed to arbitrally detain and torture Palestinians.
Isn't reforming the system saying that the system is flawed? Otherwise, why would it need reform?
@@jojodroid31 "fundamentally flawed" means that its fundament, the underlying idea, is flawed, not just the execution of that idea. Reform will never change that underlying idea. Instead, the system needs to be abolished and replaced by a better system.
Reform in this context would mean ensuring Palestinians have access to lawyers and translators. At best, it means getting rid of the two-tier judicial system in place. Which would be a good thing.
But the underlying issue is the occupation of the West Bank and the blockade of Gaza. And ending those injustices would mean not needing this two-tier system, not needing to imprison thousands of Palestinians. This can't be tackled by judicial reform though. It needs diplomacy and good will, two things Netanyahu is unwilling to give.
@@jojodroid31 when it's a fundemental flaw, the entire system should be dismanteled rather than adjusted.
Thank you, Vox, for doing real journalism.
hope you say the same when they do a reporting that you don’t agree with.
@@JorgeRiverosTales we don't hide truth ,... any one is says the truth with evidence is good, not like israel who keep lying
@JorgeRiverosTales who asked about your opinion? Your comment is nonsense, he appreaciated the video. What's your problem with him appreciating the video? Making suppositions that he wouldn't like it if it's another story. Instead of focusing on the real matter and on reality of what's happening, you're living in the clouds in your own world fantasizing about an alternative reality while showing madness to someone who appreaciates the quality of real uncensored journalism. You should really get some help and just take a moment, a simple minute to see what's wrong with you
@@JorgeRiverosTales Why would I disagree with them? They've pretty much always been spot on
@@JorgeRiverosTalesshowing facts = agreement. They take into account context unlike others
Everyday I learn more about Israel and everyday my support for Palestine grows.
Yesterday Motaz shared footage of a man's arm sticking out from a bombed building. A tea bag nearby. He just wanted a cup of tea, a moment of peace. This isn’t self defence, this is murder.
And before you say "innocent".
None of them are. None.
Some civilians also entered Israel on October 7, and help with the killings and kidnapping - it is literally in the capture videos. You can spot kids and even old people. (None of them!)
Some of our hostages were died in hospitals by civilians when they underrstoof the people are Jews.
One of the hostages even confirmed she was held captive in an UNRA employee teacher house, at his basement and was beaten to stay quite.
Again, all of them.
And even if it not all, only 50/50, I would certainly not bet my life on it.
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heavy on that "this isnt self defense, this is murder"
Just please change the wording from “Palestinian prisoners” to “Palestinian hostages” just as the counter part are called “hostages”
"detained by israel" vs "kidnapped by hamas". Lets examine the language used here
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@@Anis307hdi no. And thats more than many of these "detainees" have done. Theyre hostages taken by Israel
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how can some people not call this an apartheid state...
Zionism
Delusion
✨Nazionism✨
how come people don't call Palestine a terrorist state?
Because Palestinians of the West Bank have their own Goverment, their own laws, and their own justice system which vox just ignore. The military court is used only when Palestinians involved in terrorism against Israelis citizens.
Thanks a lot Vox for telling the truth
Thank you Vox! You are a beacon of true journalism
Thank you, Vox, for courageously telling the truth without fear. I've always liked you, and now I admire you even more!
Vox isn’t a person…
@@jakeroper1096got a bright one here 😂
@@jakeroper1096does he mention it's a person, he's obviously talking about the channel
@@jakeroper1096 And you're not Einstein.
There's nothing courageous about being anti-Israel, nobody is punished for hating Jews
Thank you for covering this Vox
You did very well. People will be better informed now
Well i don't believe that they are doing real journalism, comparing when rus vs ukr war, Vox and Johnny Harris personal channel have more cover on that than isl vs pls, not because they have more time to do it, but because they willing to do it. You can see their upload date time, frequency, even to this day, they still talking about rus vs ukr war.
Unfortunately, people won't be better informed because people The West especially Israel and the US simply don't view Palestinians and Arabs as humans. So the truth, even if shown to them, won't sway them
@@FitraRahimyour statement doesnt make sense, but i give u benefit of the doubt… so what constitute “real”journalism? How equal should it be to be considered “real”?
Cover more detail, example "it's start from british colloni...." you know, blame all this to britsh won't tell ppl the truth and it's also a technique for hiding something, why don't they tell who sign the treatry and who ri-ch people influence to do it?
Dont picky words. Example : Dai vs kllid. where's the upload frequency just like ukr vs rus? And demo-ni-zations to opressor side, such as targetting important leader like : "Putin"?
Off course, they don't wanted ended up to be backrupt because lack of funding or donor from some important people : Example : Vice.
@@arel4333
actually I think the first few seconds where Vox mentions that Palestinians killed over 1000 Israelis o start this war is the only informative part of this video.
Not prisoners, they are Palestinian hostages.
Thank you, Vox's team for doing this.
It's amazing to see how many people are still ignorant of this fact.
To be fair, how would you know unless you saw something like this?
@@jkromes20 It's been going on for years. Some of the kids being held literally grow up in these prisons. But in a way I understand. The States is huge and people are mostly doing their thing rather than finding out what the foreign policy is about. But if the politicians are bought and paid for then up to the grass roots movement to push for change.
I see it in another light. It's amazing how many people knows this fact and using it as an excuse to ignore other facts. Just like the ones sticking to children are dying when trying to shut down people sympathetic to Israel. It is more complex than that, but Vox failed to ask Israelis officials to put some context how this came to be.
some aren't ignorant. they just deny these facts because it goes against their false truths
They ARE NOT ignorant. They own the media and want to rewrite history.
I wish the mainstream media acted like this
Google who controls your mind. You'll understand why they don't
oh brother, we know that not gonna happen
What mainstream media? Everybody is praising Hamás actually...you don't want them to be more supportive for genocide, do you?
History didn't start on October 7
Imagine any other country children gets tried in the juvenile court system. For Palestinians, they go straight to military court.
Most of these people are hostages, not prisoners
No
@@idkanymore1298 yes
" I have never called it an apartheid, because it's worse!" Noam Chomsky.
Chomsky is one to talk. On a separate note of his description of Palestine, his fabrication of the Bosnian genocide in the 90’s or Bangul genocide by the Pakistani shouldn’t be trusted, just saying in case you find those works!
Chomsky denies the bosnian genocide, hes one of many ppl who only support a cause due to their political views
At a certain point, you have to assume people are just choosing to ignore to the facts. You can't constantly claim self defense, while at the same time controlling the courts, the economy, the roads, the water, the food, the borders, the sea, and the airspace for a country that doesn't have a functioning government or a standing military. It's not a war, it's a military superpower carpet bombing people throwing stones.
Like Edward Said:
Palestine is the greatest injustice of our time 😢
I can't tell if you wrote "Said" as in him saying it or as in his last name
"It is with great sadness that I must also conclude that my country has sunk to such political and moral depths that it is now an apartheid regime. It is time for the international community to recognise this reality as well."
-Michael ben-yair, former attorney general of Israel
Safest country in the Middle East
Well one thing we can be sure of Isreal better hope the west US government stays strong because china russia and most of the global south have absolutely no love for them
Go tell that to the US which is still praising Israel as being "the only demcoracy in the middle east" while every human rights organization, even those in israel like B'tselem, are screaming that israel is getting closer and closer to building its own gas chambers
@@user-fg8it6kp3e For jewish people.
@@user-fg8it6kp3e That would be Oman
40% of all West Bank Palestinian men have spent time in an Israeli prison since 1967.
40% of the whole population??!! Mind blowing
Wow. Israel is literally n@zism
lol yes mr. statistics, why don't you make a video about it and make up data and to support it? lol you're hilarious.
@@mrmishsterif not 40 % but 10% would that make any better to you?
In the 80s, when Israel invaded Lebanon, my father and all men of his village (around 500) were imprisoned without charge for 3 months under horrific conditions. Open air prison with no toilets, washing with ice cold water bucks. After this experience he joined armed resistance and they managed to force the Israel military occupation out of Lebanon. So these prisons are basically breeding places for resistance fighters.
Cable news feels like juvenile school yard bullies when compared with serious journalism like this. Thank you, Vox!
... and this is why our Public is behaving like Adolescents. They are fostered in Lower Minded ideas.
Nothing justifies the 25000 people killed in Carpet bombing. This as horrible as reality can get.
Yeah, this is what apartheid looks like.
It’s sad, and people still wonder why the Palestinians won’t agree to capitulating the Israeli agenda for “peace,” if you can even call it that. How could anyone take an “offer” like that seriously when this is what’s happening to their people?
exactly. so many people say "I don't want to take a side I just want peace between them." peace isn't an option anymore
Peace without justice is just one side's power over the other
Peace is a white man's word, liberation is the answer
Because Palestinians are weak and if people are weak, they have to compromise to a deal which might not give them the best benefits, otherwise they suffer more like what Palestinians are having.
actually yeah- you would take a peace offer seriously if you were interested in one, you'd also offer one, silly.
You're one of the few big news channels that are doing real journalism about Palestine, thank you!
It's interesting to see how a simple choice of vocabulary can define the narrative. So basically when hamas takes captives they're 'hostages' and when israel takes captives they're 'prisoners'
Like JFK once said, when peaceful revolts failed, violent ones become inevitable. It's hard to grasp how under the continuous bombing, mass murder, and humiliation, Palestinians still show heart, for instance, to their release captives, and overall steadfastness and character to the world.
Mandela said the same thing too. Also there’s this quote by Stokely Carmichael: “in order for nonviolence to work, your opponent must have a conscience. The United States has none.”
The countries that support Israel are shams and only use Human Rights laws when it suits them…
I don’t thinks it’s fair of you to conflate Hamas and the Palestinians
So the Islamic invasions were because of peaceful revolts? Get out of here
It’s unique that Israelis have Arabs in their
Parliament. The two cultures really don’t
like living in the same neighborhoods.
The hostages released by Hamas
lived in damp and dark conditions in the
tunnels, food provided was hit and miss.
agree, the Israelis should go back to Europe and California where they came from @@saywhat8966
Because israil can jail any palestinian they want without giving a reason and they can keep prisoners as long as israil wants to
I should also add that the west bank, according to international law, is illegally occupied and is not israeli territory, meaning that israel has NO RIGHT to arrest any palestinian civilian there as it's not within its jurisdiction an illegal occupying force, and still does it in huge numbers
Oh, i should also mention that under the same articles of international law, palestinians in the West Bank have a right of armed resistance, so killing an IDF soldier (or an illegal settler) shouldn't be considered a crime
@@inaworldfulloftrashbagsbet2023did you really just write that killing a person shouldn't be a crime. Maybe take a breath before posting something
@bonzie37 this is international law speaking, not me.
@@inaworldfulloftrashbagsbet2023 armed resistance does not give cart blanche for murder
Great piece, and a very important effort that would hopefully help the world understand the oppression on Palestinians.
Thank you vox. You are gaining alot of people back.
Everyone who defends Israel as "the only democracy in the Middle East" should watch this video.
"HoW iS iSrAeL aN aPaRtHeId StAtE?"
@@reddragon3163 watch the video again
the palestinians mentioned in the video are not citizens of israel
It is a democracy. The occupation of the Palestinian territories are at the whim of the Israeli citizens who vote.
They will still find an excuse to support Israel crimes as they have a supremacy problem ongoing in their mind.
Thanks Vox for keeping real journalism alive
Nope, comparing their jobs, excitement, word picking between rus vs ukr war vs this war, I don't think they doing real journalism here. You know it's obviously they playing safe on this topic.
@@FitraRahim Classic move--when new information is presented which makes you feel uncomfortable and conflicts with what you already want to believe, discredit the source. Dig your heels in further.
uh... except for all the fact thingies..
@@FitraRahimcope harder, hasbara bots
Are you re-ttarted? Un educated muslim like you should read my comments 100 times, so you understand my point.@@firdaus99031
Excellent piece. Accurate, concise, and easy to understand for those not well-versed in the the complexities of Israel's apartheid "justice" system. Well done Vox to you and your team of researchers and producers.
According to article 66 in the very 4th Geneva convention they mentioned, residents of the area at war shall be judged by a military court. Furthermore, the claims of abusing that power are baseless - I invite you to look at the prisoners Israel released in return for its innocent citizens a few weeks ago, it is public. All of these “Children an Womem” are convicted terrorists who have either stabbed or threw stones on IDF soldiers, sometimes murdering them or citizens.
Accurate? An outsider view using the common language used by " resistance " with selected talking points and the opinions of 100% of pro-palestinians people. There are truths in it, but no Israelis to put it in context. That is not true journalism. Numbers without context, like at the end are just used to force an opinion on you.
Thank you, thank you, thank you! Please keep reporting on this.
basicly not Palestinian prisoners, but Palestinian HOSTAGES
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Thank you Vox! We appreciate these videos in this time of heavy repression.
Repression?
Two different sets of laws that are enacted depending on race. Sounds really familiar to something that was abolished a long time ago.
Thank you so much for being so honest we love you and really appreciate your impressive efforts to spread the truth🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍🤍
They are hostages, not prisoners.
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Vox thank you so much for your meaningful journalism on this topic. You did a wonderful job of explaining the facts of the oppression that can be observed in the Isreali system. You did a wonderful job of removing "religion" as a talking point and focusing on the undeniable truth of what has happened. I hope this gets shared far and wide.
Its never been about religion. No one going to be happy when their home being stolen
It was Never about religion.
it was never about religion, it was just labled that way so this genocide can be excused, as it is extremely "complicated"
According to article 66 in the very 4th Geneva convention they mentioned, residents of the area at war shall be judged by a military court. Furthermore, the claims of abusing that power are baseless - I invite you to look at the prisoners Israel released in return for its innocent citizens a few weeks ago, it is public. All of these “Children an Womem” are convicted terrorists who have either stabbed or threw stones on IDF soldiers, sometimes murdering them or citizens.
It is very much about religion. the quran calls for the killing of everyone who isn't muslim and specifically to the destruction of israel. and yes the quran mentions israel as the land of the jews.@@KenBladehart
Thank you VOX❤
this is super informative, I had no idea of any of this!!
thank you for this amazing journalism! ❤
Thanks Vox for being honest about this topic. It was interesting though how you managed to avoid calling it an Apartheid system.
Please dig into any aspect of this conflict, and only showing the truth will be a big victory for those people who were neglected by all the international organizations.
Palestinians have a de-facto state and they are judged by their authority (the Palestinian Goverment) under Palestinian law. Only security-related crimes against Israelis are judged under the military court.
So it's not an Apartheid...
@@idonahshon1118it’s apartheid against Gaza though, there’s no PLO there. Israel controls all water and electricity supplies and limits it as it wishes. Clear apartheid.
@@idonahshon1118 And you've missed the whole point of the video
will you elaborate or will you just say stuff without arguing?
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@@therealgenju9429 they are often prosecuted under Israeli military courts, under Israeli law, a system that does not have Habeas corpus as a essential principle, that often do not provide public defenders, that use a language that the defendant could very well not understand well if not at all.
and only security related crimes might be the official definition but its clear that the laws give Israeli military courts a much wider scope.
thank you Vox for this great piece of journalism ! please make more videos about this apartheid regime
Apartheid was more about Segregation of race and discriminatory laws which were called Petty apartheid laws in order for white people to gain complete control of South Africa we had what was called
This is a certified apartheid classic.
This is real journalism, thank you for the true. Life without a true is nothing.
Vox, the heroes of journalism. Thank you for exposing the truth!!
Wow! We americans often discuss having two different judicial systems for ppl of different races, but not even we literally have that! We really have made this place the worst version of us!
its not the same and that because palestinians are not israeli citizens
@@ophirharoosh9984That's really messed up though
The US has also sperate civilian and military courts.
@@8is You missed the point, mate
@@8is But you have to be military to be court marshaled to a military court here in the US. Even if a family member commits a crime on a military base, they are not put before a judge in a military court. at most, they will be sent before a federal court. Israel is putting civilians in front of a military court claiming that those civilians are committing crimes against the military or the peace and thus need to be sent before those courts.
So if I get this right, if a settler move into your house and throw you out of the house, and you tried to get back into the house, but the IDF soldier behind the settler told you not to. And if you still do, you would be sentenced to 20 years in prison?
Thank you Vox really humanity to share this kind of video!
The world hesitates to expose crimes of Israel because they would have to act accordingly.
Suffering of Palestinians has been swept under the thick rug of blind devotion to a deeply flawed culture.
Thank you Vox. More people should know about this topic.
That was very informative, specially for anyone who questions whether it's an apartheid state. My eldest kid is 12, I can't imagine them going to prison for 20 years for throwing a stone.
Maybe your kid should not throw a stone?
@@KorotkovAnton May be you should seek therapy?
@@treelight1707 I think, the one who want to throw stones on the cars need therapy more
@@KorotkovAntonstop stealing their land and let them live peacefully. perhaps, they will stop that. Look out of the box at the reason they did that.
@@KorotkovAntonmaybe u should stay in ur home in Europe and colonize a peaceful inviting country who was kind to you yet u created a genocide against them
Thank you VOX for great real journalism ❤
Everyone needs to condemn Israel for allowing their settlers go rampant in the West Bank the same way we need to condemn Hamas for their terror attack. This way we may be able to come to a 2 state solution with gradually increasing peace in the region overtime. We need to quit seeing one side as evil and bring both sides to concessions and peace.
You're the first person I've seen who's recognising that both sides are at fault.
If you would focus on the matter enough, you'll realize that there are no sides, but the media doesn't show the historical and political details which leads to make foreigners (Americans / anyone with recent knowledge of the matter ) believe that the case is 2 sided.
@@kawru_kun6846then how Many sides are there
Evangelicals in the US esp the South see it as a crusade to regain the holy land. The ones that wave Confederate flags, loved Segregation, Jim Crow Laws, supported wars in Iraq & Vietnam. I'm not saying they are racist bigots but....
Both governments are evil and are responsible for killing millions of innocent civilians
Thank you Vox for this detailed video
I am so horrified I can't imagine living in such injustice
Thank you for sharing this
I am so happy that you are sharing the truth and the reality, thank you so much
"Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can't help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East."--------Father John Sheehan
So you forgot 9/11 had nothing to do with Israel I see
I know that's just a correlation, but he ain't wrong.
@@kingace6186 nope actually they would still hate the us if Israel didn't exist - see it's called radical Islam, like the 9/11 guys... They hate the US because of it's support for moderate Muslim countries such as Saudi (yeah I know but they're the moderates)
The Ottoman Empire was not exactly friendly, to the point that Europeans began the Age of Sail and subsequent colonization of the rest of the world just to get around what was effectively the Turkish blockade of the Silk Road.
Thank you Vox!
Thank you for sharing this coverage
This dual injustice system is also similar applied in the media. Means palestinians and muslims are always bad and israelis are always good or the victims
Even in this video, Palestine takes "hostages" while Israel takes "prisoners". Just because they're taken by a "military court" front.
it is not an injustice system. If the palestinias dont want to be part of israel so they dont have israeli nationality and therefor cant use the system for civilians. And also, thus system is not only for palestinias, soldiers are judeged there too because as a soldier you are not civilian.
@@yaarasaidon6806 Watch the video, almost all prisoners are taken from the occupied West bank, not from Israel proper. They have no right to arrest anyone there.
and occupied west bank is occupied because? the long complex history of the region boils down to weak government of Palestine making choices against their own interest and being influenced by other arab nations to continue a conflict even as 3rd party western nations tried to guarantee their borders thru UN. Best example of it can be see in the simple fact that Hamas is de facto government of Gaza while being independent from PLA, so this one made up country that has no borders somehow has 2 governments neither of which can speak on behalf of palestinian people since neither of them have legitimate governments.
Palestine as a country has only been recognized in 2012, until then it has very few countries recognizing it which were mostly other muslim countries, the reason for that is because Palestinian representatives have shot down any previous border agreements and were pushed into war with Israel by neighbouring arab nattions. @@AntwanMounir
Thank you, Vox. Your insight means the world
Thank you for this video, Vox.
Thank you for shedding light on this serious issue
Thank you Vox! Incredible reporting. You have earned the respect of millions
Have you noticed a number of women and children being captured? What right does Israel have to arrest them?
Did you notice the difference between those held captive by resistance soldiers and occupation soldiers?
So.. in you country all the criminals are only man above 18?
@@yaarasaidon6806that's the problem. you call a 16 year old kid that throws a rock a criminal?, and convict him to 20 years, so like he got the same punishment as a killer.
@@yaarasaidon6806 Do you have a brain? If you watch the video again, maybe your humanity will start to work
@@Anis307hdican you provide an example of a kid getting convicted for twenty years for throwing rocks
why dont you go and search it up yourself, you have the internet@@chrispychip6569
Gosh THANK U vox , it’s so refreshing to see real journalism 🤍🤍🤍
I'm glad that more and nore ppl around the world are becoming informed about the atrocities of the Israeli occupation. Thank you Vox
They are not prisoners. They are Palestinian Hostages.
these people are some of the most bravest people on earth. may their struggles be rewarded 💕
Discrimination in judicial system, this is unacceptable. One court, one law, justice is blind and fair.
One of the many ways that makes Israel an apartheid state.
Thank you for your honesty and integrity, the truth has always been there for anyone who`s looking, unfortunately, there are very few who care enough to look for it.
Thank you for this informative documentary
Thank you for putting this out.
Thank you Vox. I have been follow you for several years. I realy value work and you balanced reporting 🙏🏼
Vox, keeping it real as always. 10/10.
Not “as always”. Vox was once one of the most neoconservative of mainstream media. Look back at any video of theirs around the middle east that’s over 5 years ago.
This is a real shift and a very recent change in Vox. I’m very glad to see it
Thank you Vox. I actually feel like I learn something and feel more informed watching your videos
*There needs to be multiple investigations into Israel's crimes! They must be held accountable.*
no one can judge them they are doing this since 1948 beceause they control the world by controlling USA
Israel needs awards for protecting the world.
@@smileydavis73probably your disgusting big brother USA will give you one don't worry.
@@smileydavis73hasbara bot
@@inaworldfulloftrashbagsbet2023 how childish. "nuuu Uhhh you are"
Thank you Vox! Thank you so so much !!!
Thank You! Vox
Thank you! I hope the whole world watches this
now this is great journalism. just like the old vox. you guys need to do more reporting like this.
This is real journalism thank you VOX
Thanks for the video!
great video, thank you vox
I thank you and applaud you for your journalistic integrity in detailing the context of the Palestine crisis, for simplifying the issues to those who argue its complexity as a means to divert the attention from the truth. The only criticism of the video is that you explained in essence the definition of apartheid without mentioning the word apartheid. Nonetheless I am glad Vox are doing more journalism than practically every major news corporation in the western world.
Thank you Vox.
That was incredibly helpful.