What about some tests re: temperature? I've experienced notable range drop in cold conditions. For example, my turbo levo 700 battery max range tests give me around 50 miles and 7k elevation gain with about 5% left in the summer. Tried that same route at -6c temps and had to turn around well before half way through.
Not realy. Only general information "if you are heavy => low miles, not heavy=>long miles". Same story regardind the tires, trail and other facts. I want to see some real numbers like same bike, different ride weight; same rider, 2 identical bikes but with different batery range.
I start the ride with 50+ PSI in both tires and get the worst part of the climb out of the way . At the top of the mountain i use a gage to drop my pressures down to desired pressure . I also turn the motor into eco and off mode on decent . On flat connector trails I use the eco and off mode and really pump and carve the bike carrying momentum.
I have the Specialized turbo sl, its so light and pedals so well . Very easy to pedal with no juice left . It's a good bike without the battery, but with the battery on its just crazy fun !
agreed i did a big cross country route in my area on a full 625wh battery by time i got home had 20 mile range left but get alot more since changed tyers to e-wilds now range is far better
Temperature and ground conditions make the most difference, if I go out in the lakes with all the stone based trails I still have 3 bars showing on my Bosch display after 35 miles, when I ride around my home area (soft ground) I can sometimes get home on the last bar having only covered 30 miles.
I got 72 miles out of a 500wh battery once. Like a lot of comments below, I turn the motor off when I can, use the momentum to carry me up the first part of hills and I found the tyres to be the biggest factor. Schwalbe Hurricanes and Thunder Burts are basically slick in the middle or have small blocks. Obviously not suitable for winter. Oh and carry a spare battery in your rucksack. It gives you the confidence to try anything. OK it's 2.5Kg on your back - but after the first 10 minutes you barely notice it. No I didn't buy a spare battery, but borrowed my wife's - we have the same bikes.
On my longest rides I'll coast as often as possible especially on downhill sections and keep it in eco mode as well. I use my gearing a lot and keep in the lowest modes for most of the ride. When climbing (moderate to steep) I start in my 3rd largest gear and eco mode as it gets steeper and cadence drop under 80 I go up 1 power stetting then use the last 3 gear changes from there and so on. Go up a mode then go back up to 3rd gear and adjust as needed. Wind definitely plays a roll as well. I ride a Giant Reign Yamaha motor 5 modes 500W battery tire pressure 20/24. My longest ride is 41mi 4000+ elevation technical and rocky. I rode mostly in 1st 2 power modes 20% in higher modes and when the need was done I was back in lower modes immediately. tires will be my first mod to increase range.
41 miles Robert! Got to pack a bigger lunch! I'm testing my 2021 Giant Trance X 29 3, @52lbs it has massive torque, can't wait to try 41 miles at the ski resorts in Utah. One thing I read on Bike Radar was the theory "if you're in (Giant) auto mode, it can use more battery life, can't recall exact details, basically, the battery was reacting to more sensors on the bike, hence using more battery than Eco. I've found Turbo is almost too much, especially a hairpin turn going semi-steep up, takes new timing skills, as you enter the turn way faster. The Giant controller is easy to switch battery modes and the new Ride App/connected to Android appears stable giving your phone plenty of data.
@@hypersailor I never use Eco, I've found it goes through battery power way too fast and I'm managing my battery charges so I get more life out of my battery. I do alot of 12-15mi rides during the week and can get 2 rides per charge. I've gotten good at switching between motor off and eco mode on downhill sections. I put it in my 2nd biggest chainring then turn off the motor as I descend, when I see a bit of a climb I switch on the eco to hit it then back off again. The motor off and using my gears gives me a good amount of resistance to keep speed up in flowy sections but here in Tahoe you have to keep your head up because short steep climbs pop up all the time.
something else everyone should consider is voltage sag. If you’re doing a lot of climbing or using a lot of use in the higher settings as the battery drops it’s going to exponentially where the battery down and pull more amps to get the same power which is going to create a lot of voltage sag
I've just had my two 504Wh Shimano BT-E8010 batteries that power my 2019 Merida E160-800 checked out by my LBS, as my range has recently dropped considerably, especially since the weather started to turn colder. They found nothing to account for it during a diagnostic check, both batteries having only had around 35 complete charge cycles and over 92% efficiency left in them; they did however update the software. LBS suggested that the problem might be to do with the cold ambient temperatures, and many other people are complaining about the lack of range in the Shimano external frame batteries.... There appear to be no neoprene battery covers available to fit the external BT-E8010/8014 batteries, unlike on my old and sold 2016 Mondraker E-Crafty, that had a Bosch external battery system and a selection of Neoprene covers that could fit... The Bosch covers are completely incompatible with the Shimano E8010/8014 batteries...
Rigged up a secure rack,did 25miles swapped out to spare did another 20 still juice in reserve,great ride no worries about running out pity cross country bikes don't do this as standard.Also tech gives you an idea but after riding the bike for a while you can soon get a feel for the range/trail,hills,wind,temp etc
The Shimano battery and motor is way different to the Bosch as far as battery indication goes. I've never run out of battery power on either of my two Bosch powered bikes. The Shimano system may give you two bars on the battery and the next minute or couple of miles and its all gone. The Bosch system seems to continually monitor the battery and under estimates the range but always gets me home. My home is around 500 feet above sea level so all roads out are downhill and all roads back are uphill.
400-500Wh battery are useles in the woods or any other distant terrain except for cruising in the cities. I bought eMTB with 625 and it`s so-so...if I save energy and turn asisatant offf od flat terrain or descent I can drive aprox just over 100 km...750Wh would be much suitable for woods, mountan or desert .
Why isn’t there an app, or something inbuilt into the display and computer on an Ebike, that actually gives you real-time ride information based upon your destination and power mode? I guess because all bikes are different, and not all motors or elevations are created equal. You could put parameters into it, like bike weight and something like Strava data for how much elevation there is, for example. I am hoping in the future something like this will become available for at least one type of motor.
great video as always. i would ask something...Should be great to have more information about, how to ship an ebike worldwide. i saw a your old video about this topic but maybe you have more information now. how big brand manufacture ship e-bikes oversea? maybe by sea its an easy issue?...if you could update this issue could be great. i'm also asking to some manufacturer about it but i believe you can get more accurate informaiton. thansk a lot in any case. Cris, from Italy
Good job. Glad somebody finally reckonised that the rider weight makes the biggest difference in range. The power and range of a SL for a woman is almost the same as a full fat for a heavy man.
Hmmm running low on battery and maybe subjects. Must have heard all this a good few times on this channel. You're getting better at having new things on here but this was just common sense and knowledge that you have had on here loads and loads of times. Battery range is your favourite topic, other than the "emtbs won't make you unfit" line of course. Keep up the good new things and try to avoid this repetitive stuff. Anyone who doesn't see that ebikes are the future is going to be very surprised or unhappy. It's just the way tech is going, especially now they've started doing the light weight versions.
With my Specialized Levo SL, it is not that big a deal to run out of battery power. My SL rides fine in most conditions without any battery assistance. But, I cannot say the same for my wife's regular Levo...It is a 'tank' without battery power.
Even in winter conditions, I am getting over 60 miles from my 700 watt Levo on X country rides. I have a neoprene jacket to help keep the battery warm. In the summer I have topped 100 miles from a battery with 31% left according to Mission Control.
How come none can make a video at full power maximum distance? Oh, I know. Bevouse it is promised to get 160km but then in reality you get max 40km what a waste of money..
thats why these ebike systems suck. if they were displaying real time battery voltage, you could actually know how much capacity is left. usually, a resting voltage of 36V means 50% left. Under load, the voltage drops, and you need to know how much it drops and at what voltage the BMS cuts power. Knowing is better than guessing
@@kenleach2516 take the Sanyo 18650GA cell. when brand new you'll get 560Wh from a "625Wh" battery (50 cells) in turbo mode. Problem is, that these cells lose capacity rapidly in the beginning and then it tapers down to 80% more slowly at 500 cycles. Under normal conditions. 80% of 560Wh is only 448Wh... not that much anymore
Did you find these tips helpful?
“ looks around while being stranded with no battery charge “ ... yes they will help me a lot ...
What about some tests re: temperature? I've experienced notable range drop in cold conditions. For example, my turbo levo 700 battery max range tests give me around 50 miles and 7k elevation gain with about 5% left in the summer. Tried that same route at -6c temps and had to turn around well before half way through.
Not realy. Only general information "if you are heavy => low miles, not heavy=>long miles". Same story regardind the tires, trail and other facts. I want to see some real numbers like same bike, different ride weight; same rider, 2 identical bikes but with different batery range.
I start the ride with 50+ PSI in both tires and get the worst part of the climb out of the way . At the top of the mountain i use a gage to drop my pressures down to desired pressure .
I also turn the motor into eco and off mode on decent . On flat connector trails I use the eco and off mode and really pump and carve the bike carrying momentum.
I have the Specialized turbo sl, its so light and pedals so well . Very easy to pedal with no juice left . It's a good bike without the battery, but with the battery on its just crazy fun !
Will SL have longer range than heavier full power Turbo?
Did you mention the cold. That has a big effect. Make a battery cover for winter get Ray to make one.
agreed i did a big cross country route in my area on a full 625wh battery by time i got home had 20 mile range left but get alot more since changed tyers to e-wilds now range is far better
what are the e wilds like? how long have you had them on your ebike ? thinking of buying myself.
Temperature and ground conditions make the most difference, if I go out in the lakes with all the stone based trails I still have 3 bars showing on my Bosch display after 35 miles, when I ride around my home area (soft ground) I can sometimes get home on the last bar having only covered 30 miles.
I got 72 miles out of a 500wh battery once. Like a lot of comments below, I turn the motor off when I can, use the momentum to carry me up the first part of hills and I found the tyres to be the biggest factor. Schwalbe Hurricanes and Thunder Burts are basically slick in the middle or have small blocks. Obviously not suitable for winter. Oh and carry a spare battery in your rucksack. It gives you the confidence to try anything. OK it's 2.5Kg on your back - but after the first 10 minutes you barely notice it. No I didn't buy a spare battery, but borrowed my wife's - we have the same bikes.
On my longest rides I'll coast as often as possible especially on downhill sections and keep it in eco mode as well. I use my gearing a lot and keep in the lowest modes for most of the ride. When climbing (moderate to steep) I start in my 3rd largest gear and eco mode as it gets steeper and cadence drop under 80 I go up 1 power stetting then use the last 3 gear changes from there and so on. Go up a mode then go back up to 3rd gear and adjust as needed. Wind definitely plays a roll as well. I ride a Giant Reign Yamaha motor 5 modes 500W battery tire pressure 20/24. My longest ride is 41mi 4000+ elevation technical and rocky. I rode mostly in 1st 2 power modes 20% in higher modes and when the need was done I was back in lower modes immediately. tires will be my first mod to increase range.
41 miles Robert! Got to pack a bigger lunch! I'm testing my 2021 Giant Trance X 29 3, @52lbs it has massive torque, can't wait to try 41 miles at the ski resorts in Utah. One thing I read on Bike Radar was the theory "if you're in (Giant) auto mode, it can use more battery life, can't recall exact details, basically, the battery was reacting to more sensors on the bike, hence using more battery than Eco. I've found Turbo is almost too much, especially a hairpin turn going semi-steep up, takes new timing skills, as you enter the turn way faster. The Giant controller is easy to switch battery modes and the new Ride App/connected to Android appears stable giving your phone plenty of data.
@@hypersailor I never use Eco, I've found it goes through battery power way too fast and I'm managing my battery charges so I get more life out of my battery. I do alot of 12-15mi rides during the week and can get 2 rides per charge. I've gotten good at switching between motor off and eco mode on downhill sections. I put it in my 2nd biggest chainring then turn off the motor as I descend, when I see a bit of a climb I switch on the eco to hit it then back off again. The motor off and using my gears gives me a good amount of resistance to keep speed up in flowy sections but here in Tahoe you have to keep your head up because short steep climbs pop up all the time.
Shocked that you didn't mention ambient temperature as a factor as this makes a massive difference to the range achievable...
Shocked? 🤣🤣🤣
@@Daffy0208 ha 😅 dudes are easily shocked these days
Ive noticed temperature can cost you as much as 25% extra when its bloody cold. Brrrrrrrr
something else everyone should consider is voltage sag. If you’re doing a lot of climbing or using a lot of use in the higher settings as the battery drops it’s going to exponentially where the battery down and pull more amps to get the same power which is going to create a lot of voltage sag
I've just had my two 504Wh Shimano BT-E8010 batteries that power my 2019 Merida E160-800 checked out by my LBS, as my range has recently dropped considerably, especially since the weather started to turn colder. They found nothing to account for it during a diagnostic check, both batteries having only had around 35 complete charge cycles and over 92% efficiency left in them; they did however update the software. LBS suggested that the problem might be to do with the cold ambient temperatures, and many other people are complaining about the lack of range in the Shimano external frame batteries.... There appear to be no neoprene battery covers available to fit the external BT-E8010/8014 batteries, unlike on my old and sold 2016 Mondraker E-Crafty, that had a Bosch external battery system and a selection of Neoprene covers that could fit... The Bosch covers are completely incompatible with the Shimano E8010/8014 batteries...
Top tip,don't charge them when they are cold,5c and below it can damage them.
Rigged up a secure rack,did 25miles swapped out to spare did another 20 still juice in reserve,great ride no worries about running out pity cross country bikes don't do this as standard.Also tech gives you an idea but after riding the bike for a while you can soon get a feel for the range/trail,hills,wind,temp etc
The Shimano battery and motor is way different to the Bosch as far as battery indication goes. I've never run out of battery power on either of my two Bosch powered bikes. The Shimano system may give you two bars on the battery and the next minute or couple of miles and its all gone. The Bosch system seems to continually monitor the battery and under estimates the range but always gets me home. My home is around 500 feet above sea level so all roads out are downhill and all roads back are uphill.
Great info. Kind regards from Bonnie Scotland 🏴
400-500Wh battery are useles in the woods or any other distant terrain except for cruising in the cities. I bought eMTB with 625 and it`s so-so...if I save energy and turn asisatant offf od flat terrain or descent I can drive aprox just over 100 km...750Wh would be much suitable for woods, mountan or desert .
Why isn’t there an app, or something inbuilt into the display and computer on an Ebike, that actually gives you real-time ride information based upon your destination and power mode? I guess because all bikes are different, and not all motors or elevations are created equal. You could put parameters into it, like bike weight and something like Strava data for how much elevation there is, for example. I am hoping in the future something like this will become available for at least one type of motor.
my e-MTB does have that - but I wouldn`t rely on it
How far can you go? Find it out yourself.
Hey, very nice and helpful tips. Thanks for the Video.
great video as always. i would ask something...Should be great to have more information about, how to ship an ebike worldwide. i saw a your old video about this topic but maybe you have more information now. how big brand manufacture ship e-bikes oversea?
maybe by sea its an easy issue?...if you could update this issue could be great. i'm also asking to some manufacturer about it but i believe you can get more accurate informaiton. thansk a lot in any case. Cris, from Italy
fabulous what a bike!!!!
What happens when there is no power left? Can you pedal easily anyway to return to the car park?
Love you Chris 💖
I dont mind at times riding the first few and last few miles with the battery off on a Kenevo
Does eco mode usually offset the additional weight of an Ebike?
Good job. Glad somebody finally reckonised that the rider weight makes the biggest difference in range. The power and range of a SL for a woman is almost the same as a full fat for a heavy man.
Shimano have pulled their range finder now.
Temperature is huge too.
Went to the bottom of the bottom of friston forest and then ran out so had to push my bike uphill for about 1 hour and a half to get home
With my Bosch system I make sure I am pointed home when there's 3 bars left...
Amazing bro
Would like to see how far you could ride it when the battery goes flat
I rode mine 8 miles home the other week, mix of on road ups and downs.... it was heavy
Long and short of it: battery technology has a long way to go in capacity and weight
Doesn't the monitor tell you how much battery power is left?
Hmmm running low on battery and maybe subjects. Must have heard all this a good few times on this channel. You're getting better at having new things on here but this was just common sense and knowledge that you have had on here loads and loads of times. Battery range is your favourite topic, other than the "emtbs won't make you unfit" line of course. Keep up the good new things and try to avoid this repetitive stuff. Anyone who doesn't see that ebikes are the future is going to be very surprised or unhappy. It's just the way tech is going, especially now they've started doing the light weight versions.
I figured out how much range I have and then.... Winter came and now I have three feet of snow and -12 C, so the number surely changed... 🤬
With my Specialized Levo SL, it is not that big a deal to run out of battery power. My SL rides fine in most conditions without any battery assistance. But, I cannot say the same for my wife's regular Levo...It is a 'tank' without battery power.
Won’t go far on Haibike Flyon in Extreme it range 25km
I can get insane range out of my levo 700wh.
Even in winter conditions, I am getting over 60 miles from my 700 watt Levo on X country rides. I have a neoprene jacket to help keep the battery warm. In the summer I have topped 100 miles from a battery with 31% left according to Mission Control.
How come none can make a video at full power maximum distance? Oh, I know. Bevouse it is promised to get 160km but then in reality you get max 40km what a waste of money..
thats why these ebike systems suck. if they were displaying real time battery voltage, you could actually know how much capacity is left. usually, a resting voltage of 36V means 50% left. Under load, the voltage drops, and you need to know how much it drops and at what voltage the BMS cuts power. Knowing is better than guessing
Lithium has a stable voltage, amp hour meter is accurate ...has anyone thought of fitting.?
@@kenleach2516 take the Sanyo 18650GA cell. when brand new you'll get 560Wh from a "625Wh" battery (50 cells) in turbo mode. Problem is, that these cells lose capacity rapidly in the beginning and then it tapers down to 80% more slowly at 500 cycles. Under normal conditions. 80% of 560Wh is only 448Wh... not that much anymore