Bro... I don't know if it's intentional but anyway, your channel is the best for those who aren't so good at English, the slow and rhythmic way you speak allows me to understand almost 100%. Ty for the vídeos!
I'm glad you agree, as far as Gil is concerned, however, they pointed out to me that I forgot to point out, that his damage reaches those figures only in some situations where his R3 skill, as I described in his guide, continues to increase without decreasing each turn. Normally it is more plausible to have a 70-80K gil which can then reach 150K if everything works well.
I try them last season on my second team as support. I swap all my support for test them and in order the rank was: -Sauron -Undying -WK -Beruthiel -Sunind -Kirun(full cc/Debuff) -Khaldoon -Glasha She is the best T2 as support but considering my test she is the number 8 of the support of evil...this why i don't suggest invest on them.
Hirgon is absolutely not F tier. He's at least as good as Eowyn or Boromir. His damage is better than Legolas, plus he has okay healing/evade. He's definitely at least D tier and arguably C tier. I think you didn't give Ugthak enough props. For evil, he's usable as a B team damage dealer, as usable as Lathar or Adunae for low spenders.
I play Ugtak last season, and i can say very easy, is inferior to every commander i place on a top of them, lathar can be used very easy on pve with burst, adunae, can be used as Third army dd, ugtak is inferior, i have try them alot, swapping between this 3. Talking about irgon, is a Damage dealer and just in the good faction thers 12 commanders that deal more damage then them, so if you are rank 13 in your main abilit you are absolutly F tier...couse you gonna pick them just if you don't have the 12 in the top of them!
@@ombrartw Not everyone has T3 damage dealers. For Hirgon on my main account, he is on D team for healing. But on my low spend evil and good accounts, my T2 Hirgon is on my B teams. He's ahead of Adunae, Lathar or Legolas for damage unless you ascend them. He's also versatile and could use Warden or healing. He's better utility than either Eowyn, Boromir or Khaldoon, imo, and is D tier at least. As for Ugthak, he's only C team for evil low spenders, I understand. Good for siege mostly but can do some damage when you don't need siege. Great list though! I'd probably have Falgin behind GtW or Gil-galad but overall a good job!
I'd like to agree with you on Agzok but gosh he doesn't do S haha, he takes a LOT of investment which is crazy, he's a best good at Mythic rank but under? Bad
@@ombrartw haha I didn't mean he should be S, I said he doesn't do shit, he doesn't do anything so I don't really understand why he is that high in this tier list. He only becomes decent post Mythic step so almost nobody can play him properly...
@@baptistegrasset4245 Because if someone could actually get him to Z6 he would be really powerful, surpassing many of the meta commanders for Evil Faction right now. The fact that it's so difficult lowers his rating to A, but Z6 Bis Gear his damage potential is impressive.
@@ombrartw Thank you! I wonder - how often you can get the deals? I would love the Trade Post (Direct Commander Purchases) Bazzar Exclusive and the best Long Jorney and To Battle .D
good list like always! :) dont agree on frodo in A tier though. As a tank and thats what he is designed for...he is by far the absolute best in the game right now with greats beasts. Yes you need the right Unit to make him work..but thats part of the game and goes with many commanders who need the right unit. He is an absolute beast right now and should be in S tier for what he is as a tank
The problem of frodo and sam that make them A Tier is: he is insane on tank damage them self, but after the 3 round of Tount/Provoke/protection, no one is forced to hit them, and he don't provide any utility for allied after that, couse is only a tank. Falgin, that can play the some role is better couse he tank alot, but also protect allied, so have other to give to the team for be consider the best of the tank. But yes frodo is op for sure, in the correct situation, with the correct team, make the difference, and can stop multiple army in a row.
I knew someone that played Thorin in Bank i think, Named Tom, and he went all 3 damage skills and always did well. He's a big whale tho. So for a commmander that has 3 damage skills, F tier is extremely harsh lol. Must be better than legolas, and def khaldoon
Actualy no, couse invest on Thorin means you don't invest in the 20 dd better then them T3, the good use of the torin respect item is recycle for for buy more respect for the good commander XD Equal respect and equal gear, Torin is Rank 17 in terms of pure damage...so for a role where you have 16 better option, i'm confident to say, that you never have to invest on a torin
Great video again. I got a question about Undying. I dont use him as a fully DD but tank/support. Hybrid build. Evasion 10/10 and both damage skills 5/10. Would be better If I decrease one of his damage skills and go for healing instead?
First max R0 bot for max evasion and extra defense. R0 top you need just Lv5, for hit 3 Target, and R3 you need just Lv1 for burn more wc stack. Then after that is better go for R5, for have heal, that scale very whell with command.
if you can run just one i chose the shadow, couse not only is very strong dps, but also the best counter of Wc. But talking about mitril i think Lurtz and saruman are the top 2 investment for evil!
Thank you for these details, now I doubt lol having white gandalf R5, dain R6, gimli R10 I had put frodon R9 maybe Falgin R9 would be much better or not?
I rank isildur low couse the good faction have to much commander that are better...the situation of the good faction is crazy right know, is very over power!
Why is Black Serpent above Beruthiel? She buffs more defense and gave +10-13% damage received on enemy units. Black Serpent do less defense for evil men which he needs as well and his war horn is only effective in 4 rounds, where white council is almost always present.
3 reason: 1-Bs Horn work on 4 formation and on every unit (no race restriction) insted of working on 3 enemy only...is true Beruthiel buff is for all the battle, but is olso true +40 attack is about 24% bonus damage, that is doble than beruthiel. 2-Haradrim skill buff +15 defense vs +12 of beruthiel one, and also give attack and initiative vs only attack of beruthiel. is tru beruthiel skill work on 4 target but But that is an advantage only in a full evilmen team, and if you want run truup damage comp you don't gonna run full evilmen. 3-Last point is about healing vs damage, the damage potential of Bs, just commander damage is better then beruthiel, you don't build them as dd for have easy 30k from them if you have point for max the R0 Top, on beruthiel you want run heal, and that is fine but again that work only on evilmen, so is very limitated. The conclusion is, in general formation Bs better Then Beruthiel...in a full evilment team we can talk about that, they are similar.
Ombra, when 2.0 came out, I saw some reference to the Attack and Defense formula for damage but I cannot find it anywhere now. Can you give me some information on how it works? I can give email or discord info.
@@user-eu8kv1uz1v no, back inn 1.0 you could use almost all the commandors to a certain point, yes some were weak but if you invested R10+ they would all do decent against others... Now you cant do that, R5 is max for low tiers and gotta spend mad recources to get R10 inn next tier... And so forth
This tier list consider the best investment, so who you have to chose if you have nothing and you need to pick a commander to invest on. The top commander perform whell at all level from low respect to high respect, the F commander perform bad at all level insted. Is not releted to any specific Respect of gear, but is just a suggestion of you you should chose for your team, in any situation, if you want win!
@@ombrartw thank you for the response :) i would love your take on something. I am in a position to either push Shadow or Lurtz into Ascension or push Dain to R5. After this, I don't plan to spend much more. Full gold gear and 3 to 4 refinement across all equipment with full war cry. Who would you push? Shadow, Lurtz, or Dain?
@@GREEDxAXED I would push them in order of ranking. Dain, Shadow, Lurtz. Once you get Dain and Shadow, Lurtz might be on your B team, depending on who else you're using on A team.
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Bro... I don't know if it's intentional but anyway, your channel is the best for those who aren't so good at English, the slow and rhythmic way you speak allows me to understand almost 100%. Ty for the vídeos!
I think couse i'm not english too XD
So I always try to use easy words, thinking that if I know them, others will probably know them too hahaha
As always, you make great tier lists, you put in many more usable commanders than I would have put in, but I understand your motivations.
When it comes to usables, obviously not all of them are the best of the best, but at least valid substitutes are.
Finally an update, I also believe that Gil is very underrated, but if I try to play without it, my team changes completely, for the worse.
I'm glad you agree, as far as Gil is concerned, however, they pointed out to me that I forgot to point out, that his damage reaches those figures only in some situations where his R3 skill, as I described in his guide, continues to increase without decreasing each turn.
Normally it is more plausible to have a 70-80K gil which can then reach 150K if everything works well.
Great video as always! I do agree on evwrything you said excepting for glasha, i think shes one of the best t2 for support role.
I try them last season on my second team as support.
I swap all my support for test them and in order the rank was:
-Sauron
-Undying
-WK
-Beruthiel
-Sunind
-Kirun(full cc/Debuff)
-Khaldoon
-Glasha
She is the best T2 as support but considering my test she is the number 8 of the support of evil...this why i don't suggest invest on them.
Hirgon is absolutely not F tier. He's at least as good as Eowyn or Boromir. His damage is better than Legolas, plus he has okay healing/evade. He's definitely at least D tier and arguably C tier. I think you didn't give Ugthak enough props. For evil, he's usable as a B team damage dealer, as usable as Lathar or Adunae for low spenders.
I play Ugtak last season, and i can say very easy, is inferior to every commander i place on a top of them, lathar can be used very easy on pve with burst, adunae, can be used as Third army dd, ugtak is inferior, i have try them alot, swapping between this 3.
Talking about irgon, is a Damage dealer and just in the good faction thers 12 commanders that deal more damage then them, so if you are rank 13 in your main abilit you are absolutly F tier...couse you gonna pick them just if you don't have the 12 in the top of them!
@@ombrartw Not everyone has T3 damage dealers. For Hirgon on my main account, he is on D team for healing. But on my low spend evil and good accounts, my T2 Hirgon is on my B teams. He's ahead of Adunae, Lathar or Legolas for damage unless you ascend them. He's also versatile and could use Warden or healing. He's better utility than either Eowyn, Boromir or Khaldoon, imo, and is D tier at least.
As for Ugthak, he's only C team for evil low spenders, I understand. Good for siege mostly but can do some damage when you don't need siege.
Great list though! I'd probably have Falgin behind GtW or Gil-galad but overall a good job!
I'd like to agree with you on Agzok but gosh he doesn't do S haha, he takes a LOT of investment which is crazy, he's a best good at Mythic rank but under? Bad
Can't be S, just couse 99,9% of player can't have them at Z6 for see the true power of them
@@ombrartw haha I didn't mean he should be S, I said he doesn't do shit, he doesn't do anything so I don't really understand why he is that high in this tier list. He only becomes decent post Mythic step so almost nobody can play him properly...
@@baptistegrasset4245 Because if someone could actually get him to Z6 he would be really powerful, surpassing many of the meta commanders for Evil Faction right now.
The fact that it's so difficult lowers his rating to A, but Z6 Bis Gear his damage potential is impressive.
Hello! Purchased the To Battle! and Long Journey bundles - got 20 gifts and 20 mathoms - finally got a lot of commanders to respect 2 and 3
Nice bro!
@@ombrartw Thank you! I wonder - how often you can get the deals? I would love the Trade Post (Direct Commander Purchases) Bazzar Exclusive and the best Long Jorney and To Battle .D
good list like always! :) dont agree on frodo in A tier though. As a tank and thats what he is designed for...he is by far the absolute best in the game right now with greats beasts. Yes you need the right Unit to make him work..but thats part of the game and goes with many commanders who need the right unit. He is an absolute beast right now and should be in S tier for what he is as a tank
The problem of frodo and sam that make them A Tier is: he is insane on tank damage them self, but after the 3 round of Tount/Provoke/protection, no one is forced to hit them, and he don't provide any utility for allied after that, couse is only a tank.
Falgin, that can play the some role is better couse he tank alot, but also protect allied, so have other to give to the team for be consider the best of the tank.
But yes frodo is op for sure, in the correct situation, with the correct team, make the difference, and can stop multiple army in a row.
I knew someone that played Thorin in Bank i think, Named Tom, and he went all 3 damage skills and always did well. He's a big whale tho. So for a commmander that has 3 damage skills, F tier is extremely harsh lol. Must be better than legolas, and def khaldoon
Actualy no, couse invest on Thorin means you don't invest in the 20 dd better then them T3, the good use of the torin respect item is recycle for for buy more respect for the good commander XD
Equal respect and equal gear, Torin is Rank 17 in terms of pure damage...so for a role where you have 16 better option, i'm confident to say, that you never have to invest on a torin
Great video again. I got a question about Undying. I dont use him as a fully DD but tank/support. Hybrid build. Evasion 10/10 and both damage skills 5/10. Would be better If I decrease one of his damage skills and go for healing instead?
First max R0 bot for max evasion and extra defense.
R0 top you need just Lv5, for hit 3 Target, and R3 you need just Lv1 for burn more wc stack.
Then after that is better go for R5, for have heal, that scale very whell with command.
@@ombrartw Thank you.
So in your opinion I should invest everything in shadow and not in Lurtz if I have to choose between the two?
if you can run just one i chose the shadow, couse not only is very strong dps, but also the best counter of Wc.
But talking about mitril i think Lurtz and saruman are the top 2 investment for evil!
Thank you for these details, now I doubt lol having white gandalf R5, dain R6, gimli R10 I had put frodon R9 maybe Falgin R9 would be much better or not?
Better then Frodo and Sam for sure yes, couse protect not only self but olso the allied that deal dps!
@@ombrartw It's not because of his uniqueness that he's better?
@@DanieleFalgueirettes with the unique is x2 frodo and sam, with just R5 and R0 max is just better.
@@ombrartw I want a video😭on discord gore doesn't build it like this and doesn't classify it as well
@@DanieleFalgueirettes I will do that!
Nice tier list but maybe Elrond a bit higher?
You think is stronger then what i think or weaked?
@@ombrartw stronger depending on the other commanders in the team with him
@@S.S.S.S856 ty for your feedback
Thanks bro.. I think you missed Isildur!!
I rank isildur low couse the good faction have to much commander that are better...the situation of the good faction is crazy right know, is very over power!
Why is Black Serpent above Beruthiel? She buffs more defense and gave +10-13% damage received on enemy units. Black Serpent do less defense for evil men which he needs as well and his war horn is only effective in 4 rounds, where white council is almost always present.
3 reason:
1-Bs Horn work on 4 formation and on every unit (no race restriction) insted of working on 3 enemy only...is true Beruthiel buff is for all the battle, but is olso true +40 attack is about 24% bonus damage, that is doble than beruthiel.
2-Haradrim skill buff +15 defense vs +12 of beruthiel one, and also give attack and initiative vs only attack of beruthiel. is tru beruthiel skill work on 4 target but But that is an advantage only in a full evilmen team, and if you want run truup damage comp you don't gonna run full evilmen.
3-Last point is about healing vs damage, the damage potential of Bs, just commander damage is better then beruthiel, you don't build them as dd for have easy 30k from them if you have point for max the R0 Top, on beruthiel you want run heal, and that is fine but again that work only on evilmen, so is very limitated.
The conclusion is, in general formation Bs better Then Beruthiel...in a full evilment team we can talk about that, they are similar.
Thanks for the explanation ❤
@@Marek_Blex Ty for your comment, and your support!
Ombra, when 2.0 came out, I saw some reference to the Attack and Defense formula for damage but I cannot find it anywhere now. Can you give me some information on how it works? I can give email or discord info.
Make a question on my discord about that and tag me :)
The devs ruined half the commandors inn the 2.0, now only like 10 are usable
Yes, but in 1.0 half Commanders was useless too.
@@user-eu8kv1uz1v no, back inn 1.0 you could use almost all the commandors to a certain point, yes some were weak but if you invested R10+ they would all do decent against others... Now you cant do that, R5 is max for low tiers and gotta spend mad recources to get R10 inn next tier... And so forth
Is zegrid missing?
No is F Tier, Check the video is one of the last commanders i mention.
Dain S+ Tier, Torin F Tier, They really cousin's?
ahahh
Hey Ombra, what level of respect and gear is this tier list based on? R10+? Full gold, semi refined, full strengthen?
This tier list consider the best investment, so who you have to chose if you have nothing and you need to pick a commander to invest on.
The top commander perform whell at all level from low respect to high respect, the F commander perform bad at all level insted.
Is not releted to any specific Respect of gear, but is just a suggestion of you you should chose for your team, in any situation, if you want win!
@@ombrartw thank you for the response :) i would love your take on something.
I am in a position to either push Shadow or Lurtz into Ascension or push Dain to R5. After this, I don't plan to spend much more. Full gold gear and 3 to 4 refinement across all equipment with full war cry.
Who would you push? Shadow, Lurtz, or Dain?
@@GREEDxAXED Dain R5 first, then Lurtz R10 then Shadow R10, in this order.
@@GREEDxAXED I would push them in order of ranking. Dain, Shadow, Lurtz. Once you get Dain and Shadow, Lurtz might be on your B team, depending on who else you're using on A team.
@@danburr66 z1 Saruman, R8 GtW, R11 Sauron + 1 of those 3.