Charge Team Video is coming next week, I needed time (and still need time really) to script and research for it. I hope you all enjoy this video in the meantime.
Could you increase the volume of your video a bit? It's very quiet compare to other videos on youtube even on max volume, I enjoy watching your contents so it would be nice if I could hear you a bit better.
@@adam17tt I am convinced Hong Lu will never have a bad ID. His W Corp ID makes bad charge IDs incredible, his Kurokumo Wakashu has very good damage and okay clash, Ting Tang is Ting Tang, it's just pretty solid and K-corp can solo MD2H more easily than any ID. As for Liu, I use him in burn teams and that's funny. Even base Hong Lu is crazy good at keeping high sanity.
It really feels like Chef Gregor was destined SPECIFICALLY for the Chicken event and nowhere else. His kit is built with high speed, low clash, paralysis, and wanting to target high bleed count enemies, that all combined together to make his "thing" that he goes first during a turn, targets an enemy, then a slower ally aggro's away the actual clash, allowing Gregor to "prepare the dish" for his ally with paralysis to weaken them for the ally, or extra bleed count to make them really hurt once the clash starts. Which, that was a big aspect of the Chicken event too, the Bongys were insanely tough to clash with, encouraging you to have slower allies aggro away clashes, and stagger the enemy before they could even try to clash anyone. But with only 3-7 speed, it means he REALLY needs bind to actually consistently go faster than other Sinners and the enemies, given 3-6 is the standard DPS speed range, and most actual high speed characters are in the range of 4/5-8, which his only source of bind is his S2. Even his "random debuffs GO" base Ego can't inflict Bind whatsoever. And, all of this is in addition to the problem of "Why not just use someone who can do all that, but without so many hoops and also can clash?" Plenty of other Ids can inflict paralysis next turn, can clash well in the first place, and even assuming Gregor gets his +2 bleed count on an enemy with an assload of un-triggered bleed, counting the damage from his skills themselves, other IDs can can still deal way more damage, all at the same time. He's an interesting concept for a support, literally a sous-chef that prepares the enemy for the "main chef" to deal with. But he sacrifices being an actually strong ID in order to embody that concept so "perfectly" that he ends up being outclassed at his own job by other IDs that aren't even trying to do that(7YiSang, NFaust, uptie4 Wfaust). Even KKRyoushu does a better job at "going first to soften enemies up for allies to clash with later", and she's basically designed to be a pure damage dealer unit!
I hadn't even considered the thematic parallels. That's kinda cool that he does prepare the enemy to be 'cooked'. It's a shame he is trash in spite of what could have been an interesting design philosophy. Don't know why he was the first one to have Myo's Prowess at home either...super strange.
To be honest I can't hate chef Gregor. Yes he's practicaly useless in a fight nowadays (or very niche at the very least), but his support carried me through the early days of Mirror dungeon hard mode, by giving me a lot healing with chef Ryoshu. (back when I wasn't using a full Liu team).
Chef Greg is why I was so happy we didn't need the Boatworks IDs in our battle party for the bonus he was so worthless vs the boss I had him strictly on bongy killing duty which he still had issues with.
Sorry to erm actually a week old comment but erm actually the person you replied to didn't mean the aggro mechanic added recently. Rather they were referring to the ability to direct an enemy's skill with a clash and hit under it with a second skill. When gregor and the other id are both faster than the target you can choose which clashes, and if gregor is faster than the other id his unopposed attack will go first and apply paralyze, allowing the second id to get an easy attack
Mariachi Sinclair my beloved... it's such a funny identity, and has one of my favorites since the beginning, but it suffers so much from the lack of aggro and the fact that his skill 3's really fun gimmick does nothing when you have the starlight reward in MD2. The changes made to defensive skills early on in Limbus really hit funny evade tanking hard, especially since Mariachi Sinclair has far too low speed to get his evade to go early in normal fights.
At least he's uniquely suited for sinking MD2H. He's a solid option as one of the 2 starter 00 IDs as he has the best sinking application of any of the 00s, has a S3 with really good, free clash power, and is tanky enough with high health (200+) with blunt resistance so that even if messes up and takes damage he'll be able to take much more of a beating than others.
@@lachlanmccormick3486 Not any one specific thing, but just, they do a terrible job at a lot of things, including not actually reviewing the IDs in their review sections, and really don't seem to understand many of the IDs properly. As just one example, their entire review for why Nfaust is in A tier, is entirely talking about how terrible she is compared to her other IDs now that uptie 4 have come out. It explains literally nothing, seems to misunderstand why she's still a very strong ID, and somehow has both "Decent clash" as a positive at the same time as "struggles with clashing". Given how genuinely their best usage as a website is just for quickly seeing all of a Sinner's uptie 4 skills and stats on a single page, the community naturally has quite the stockpile of laughs to be made at their expense.
LCB Sinner Don Quixote is clearly the best ID in the entire game, beating the likes of TingTang Gang Gangleader Hong Lu, Kurokumo Hong Lu, The One Who Shall Grip Sinclair, Faust, W Corp Cleanup Agent Don, W Corp Cleanup Agent Ryoshu, R Corp Pack Rabbit Heathcliff, Liu Association Ishmael, Molar Boatworks Ishmael, Molar Office Outis, Zena, The Red Mist, My Mother, Me, Doncat, Zenamaze, ...
Sloshing Ishmael felt like Project Moon didn’t really know what her kit should’ve been so they stow it in a pot and sprinkled random stuff until it birthed this terrible ID. I think it would’ve been cool if Slosh Ishmael borrowed similar mechanics from Fairy Gentleman like she could’ve give your team morale boost for huge damage potential but suffer from tipsy later and a side of (actual) tremor support. Maybe morale boost could also affect the enemy side as well like how the talisman from talisman Sinclair work as both a positive and negative effect. I really wished that Project Moon put more thought into her ID and I hope that her kit gets reworked someday. Good video as always ESGOO
Well I do basically agree with you about Sloshmael. I will say there is 1 small thing she has going for her. She is basically a strict upgrade to Base Ishmael(not a high bar I know). They both have the same damage type, sin affinities, and they both do tremor, but sloshing has an easier time fueling her base EGO with having gloom and wrath as skills 1 & 2 respectively. There are very few situations where you'd pick Slosh over LCCB, but hey it's something
I guess she's supposed to be a reference to LobCorp in that case, since you have no real reason to use Fairy Festival's ego outside of a direct upgrade for base agents early in the game
@@NeoAya Nope. Sloshing is a reference to Fairy Gentleman, one of the abnos that was used by the Technology Liberation Alliance (alongside So That No One Will Cry (Talisman) and Drifting Fox (Sunshower)
that yield my flesh to claim their bones event helped out LCCB rodion a bit since stuff like jun's "Rules Of The Backstreets" is a defense skill that event also helped BL outis by providing more units that give others poise (mainly BL don and meursault)
@@anboard prydwen is the name of a website that has a limbus company analysis and tier list section. Despite being the most popular limbus website for some reason it's famously inaccurate when it comes to judging character strength
@@Blood_M4ster the list is managed by one person so there are no 2 angles on it which leads to things like RB chef ryoshu being lower than KK ryoshu on launch and a lot of other dumb things. Fun discord members there, but i wouldn't recommend it as the ultimate tierlist for limbus
the fake out on who the real worst was got me ngl. I wasn't keeping up to date on whos uptie 4s were good, so i just assumed when you didnt show sloshing at first i assumed got a good ut4... at least ishmael's 000s are all really good
All other 00s are great too, lccb is bread and butter of tremor and rupture teams while also being able to paralyze enemies if you give her haste, meanwhile sheesh becomes id with damage and clashing close to that of nsinclair at below 50%
00 has so many strong ids that can compete with 000. I built a rupture team with LCCB Ishy, Talisman Sinclair, Seven Ryosyu, Seven Yi Samg, Seven Outis, Rosespanner Gregor and K corp Hong Lu. It contains 5 00 and this team does rupture really well. Tbf I get Thunderbranch at the start, but I think you'll be fine without it. Also all 00 in the team are already great, sans maybe Gregor outside rupture team.
You really had me there with Sinclair, you made me forget how bad Sloshmael is. No ID should want to lose a clash, just to inflict a little extra status. Its a shame as she has such a neat S3 animation for such a bad ability.
So I enjoy Chef Gregor, do I think you were too hard? No I think you went too easy. Chef Gregor is an event ID that you have to earn, every other ID shown that could be worse you can at least get at any time. You have to earn your Sous Chef so that he can be benched while the other event ID Chef Ryoshu can actually do the cooking. What actually annoys me is that he's so close, SO CLOSE, to being just an average Gregor ID. If that Skill 3 was 1 coin power higher he basically be the same as his fellow IDs who all have 3-4 coins , and be on par with Lui Gregor at least, but no he has to have 1 coin power with a caveat that might as well not exist. Yes he has an even better version, purely because Lust is more common, at the moment who know of the future, of the sin affinities, but the fact that the only reason you can want him is something EVERYONE already has lowers him in my eyes. The only thing he's got going for him is that his animations look and sound so good, but that's not a reason to use him. Wait that's the reason I use him. ...On paper I can see why Project Moon wanted his coins to be lower, all those effects do look good, but they forgot that if the skill can't clash for at least a 50/50 it's probably not going to be used in human fights and for abno. Also being good in Abno fights I don't think is an upside to anyone, I can't think of an ID that's bad in those type of fights.
Just to answer last question: "better at abno fight" translates to "suffer from no focused clash" which is a problem many ids have. It's the human fight that has major flaws, not that ids are better or worse in human fights. I think human fight now is miserable and should have an option to be focused, I want to rip my hair out every time I see my W Ryosyu can only S3 a staggered enemy but not ones that clash for like 25.
It's going to be epic when a new EGO comes out that randomly fits some of these IDs so well that they become good. That last part you said about new players, there are SO many players out there that like Mariachi because he's funny and saved their ass in Canto 3; they probably have a special place for him in their hearts.
Really in that case then, the way you find something "bad" is to find the ones you need to try the hardest to make them work. Ex: I have the jankiest team as my main content clearing team, featuring Spicebush, Liu Ishmael, and NClair, with W Don and whoever else I feel like bringing that day (most of the time it's Rsault or Liu Hong Lu) and a lot of the time the extra ID barely does anything as the main four, each with a *completely different synergy* end up doing perfectly fine together, clearing me through all the main content of the game. I've never really experienced any genuine difficulty except for 5 seconds vs Kromer, but then I realized "Oh, I just need to learn to clash LOL" and she died horribly.
I'M STILL INSTANTLY CATCHING THE UMINEKO MUSIC oh my god i love it. anyway, great and entertaining video as usual. i never really would've thought about what the worst ids in the game are, and the results.. aren't all too shocking when put into light.
I had no idea Chef Gregor was considered so bad.. at the very least, whenever I can get him, I do want to use him as a support, so it still works out. Can't wait for a video going indepth on base IDs! Love these indepth videos. Also great touch using Umineko music for Gregor's segment :D
I don't know if someone asked you already, but a Tier list Thread IV for EGO would be amazing, the identity one was really helpfull, amazing vids as always
While some of the things in defense of Sloshmael have been said already, I think it's worth compiling some of the upsides. Most of these actually are regards to a Tremor team, since I don't think she holds up anywhere else as a tank or as a unit. She does generate her own EGO resources, which if you look at a full tremor team (and not including just splashing good units irrelevant to the status) none of them generate wrath except base Heath and N Don. While her rewards for eating hits or losing clashes are minimal, she does give some support to losing while also just simply being a tank in the archetype. She also clashes better than any other Tremor unit with her S3, so if you needed to win without using an EGO, it's there and you'd live with it griefing you if you need to win that clash. There's also good synergy here with activating Snagharpoon early for both losing and as a clash winning EGO button if needed. In comparison, LCCB has some huge upsides but equally mediocre rolls and the same offence level. Only her S2 is a big win without tremor already stacked, and her passive gives Tremor generation equivalent to Slosh on wins (assuming all hits). Her guard roll is lower and she's ammo limited. I understand why LCCB is run and I don't think it's invalid, but in the restricted analysis of Tremor units only, I don't think the comparison is as big a distance as a it seems. Still, generally speaking the Rosespanner/Tremor units don't clash that well and it's nice to have a tank working at least some of the time to redirect. I'd probably vote for BL Outis, as a standalone unit she doesn't build her own Poise well at all, nor generate EGO resources for her own ego. She loses on utility for passives since trash encounters rarely need the boost and if you're in the final stretch for bosses, you probably don't need it at all. Clashing is decent but nowhere near good, and it's too hard to trigger anything she has going on. Bad alone, bad in her archetype, bad as support. You'd have to sell me hard to convince me she's better than Slosh in her own archetype, putting aside that Tremor is quite bad if you commit fully to it.
An amazing video, just as always! I really love your content, keep up the good job! In my opinion Mariachis Sinclair is better than the Chef Gregor. Not by much, but still Los Mariachis Sinclair sure is pretty awful. However, in his defense I want to say that at least he can be used as a glorified utility dispenser for sinking teams. In a setup with Spicebush Yi Sang + Molar Boatworks Ishmael he kinda rocks. In my opinion he is just excruciatingly niche. I would rather use him at the last floor of my MD2H run than G-corp Outis simply because they both are unable to clash properly most of the time, so at least he has more HP and applies sinking. I mean, at least be unironically helpful at some rare occasions :/
ESGOO, more like LESGOO (sorry lol) cuz I've really been enjoying these! if you enjoy making content then keep up the good work cuz these have been great. you having fun with what you do is most important for me tho, don't want you to have a bad time or feel like you're forced to make stuff. thanks for the videos!
I think if sloshmael had an ability that also added rupture COUNT based on the current tremor count, the ability to turn tremor into rupture would have some merit. As it stands though, not really
While I do not think Sloshy Ishy isnt the worst ID because of her okay damage output I do agree that if an ID is going to have effects based around losing clashes those effects need to be actually worthwhile and not inflicting weak status effects.
Feel like Mexican Sinclair is a unit built to spend sinking tbh. Multihit that help prolong sinking abit and keep in mind that back then there're no sinking deluge yet. Now that I think about how come it sinking that get stuff like sinking deluge considered sinking is pretty easy to trigger and some stuff deserve it more like burn.
I have a soft spot for sloshing Ishmael because it was one of the first IDs I got when I started playing and was using through most of chapter 3. It was even the first ID I uptied to tier 3 of all things. Eventually though, I stopped using it because her other IDs are much better and more fun to use (Liu my beloved).
I use Sloshmael, and currently it's my only uptie 4 (fite me!). In most of my teams I have her and Rosespanner Rodya. This way, on top of tanking, passively, Slosh helps boosting Rodya's 2 and 3 by slowly building up Tremor. Also Slosh's 3 is a decent clasher, 22 is nothing to sneeze at. None of the others you mentioned can really clash imo. Sloshmael is a punching ball, and she's good at that. You're probably right about her not fitting a Tremor team but... Frankly, I wouldn't play a pure Tremor team.
Yeah, I really don't think she's worse than Mariachi/Chef. The whole tremor thing is a bit of a headscratcher but she's a decent, functional tank who at least rolls double digits in clashes. She also has a gloom s1 and a wrath s2, and if you want both of those together purely for sin gen she's the only useable option. Her overall problem though is, 'what team wants this ID on it, but not one of Ishmael's other ID's?' Tremor? No. Charge? LOL. Sunshower? No. Sinking? LOL. Etc.
I used Sloshmael on Canto V and helped a lot to cover when there is impossible clash wins. At uptie 4, even if she loses a clash she gives debuffs to the enemy, making it kinda good to cover others and still build that tremor up. And if she doesn't do any damage, she wins a shield so... It's bassicaly meat fooder for that kinda of clashes.
@@theoldmanofthemountain7514 It's clever, but I'm chuckling because on top of having to face her demons, you've forced Ishmael to face them while using the Ego she hates the most.😁
If Mariachi Sinclair has a million fans, I'll be one of them. If Mariachi Sinclair has only one fan, I'll be them. Do I regularly use Mariachi Sinclair? ...no. But I still love him.
Do not worry you are certantly aren't the only one, but I'm less of a Mariachi fan but more of a Mariachi enjoyer as Jefe is my numero uno. And he absolutly can be useful if you build a team around him + he's great at soloing most of the bosses And yeah.... also I use him cuz I hate to use the only other and coincidentaly my first 000 Sinclair ID - The N corp one
From a reasonable video it turned out to be extremely biased at the end. Of course the problems of Sloshing Ishmael you've mentioned are legit and very bad, but at least she can clash better that those previous guys, and well, i guess she can tank. She is certainly bad, but I wouldn't say she is the worst among the worst. That was just your outrage on her. Sure, her usage is stupid, but i'd still rather use her than those previous candidates. By the way, i'm surprised that Red Sheet Sinclair didn't make it here. Even after the fix, he is still terrible. I don't remember ever seeing anyone using him.
I'm going to take this moment and kick Sloshmael while it's down: No, everyone actually *does* has a better alternative than Sloshmael and her name is Shi ishmael, the free 00 literally everybody gets during the tutorial.
personally i still don't see an use for bl outis, if sloshing ishmael can at the absolute least function as a tank while bl outis struggles to function as anything without needing someone else to fuel an ego for her i'd say she takes the cake, mariachi sinclair and chef gregor manage to be better because their support passives are perfectly usable and have a place
It kinda comes down to BL Outis being just below average as a damage dealer. Her skill 3 is just not great, not the worst. Her 2 slash DMG up means she deals even better damage…it’s weird to talk about when the ID is still really bad, but her clashing is far better and her damage is more reliable even without the poise. That’s why she was an easy elimination, she’s consistently below average. The other two (three) don’t even have that luxury sometimes. Hopefully that makes sense.
3:39 This actually only makes her s1 roll an 11 as the english text is incorrect (it grants +1 coin power instead of +3 in KR and JP). Other than that great vid!
You know, I've been making a case of chucking shards to the void every other week by making them Sinclair ones, since I observed none of his stuff is worth bringing up to uptie 4. Seeing that mariachi isnt really that great is neat, even tho I like the style it brings.
Great video! although i DID expect the twist at the end as a once LCCB ishmael addict, sloshmael is straight up just a horrible version of LCCB ishmael with slightly better clashes and slightly better tankyness, yet still is somehow 60 times worse, I honestly wish she wasnt a tremor unit and instead was a fairy wine unit, because getting drunk sounds like a fun mechanic instead of...that but yeah, very hyped for the next video! good luck making it, for i WILL, be stating my opinions on YOUR opinions whenever it comes out! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA *insert evil laugh* Anyways, good luck with the video! and be sure to take breaks whenever you need to, because as a bit of a workaholic myself...god i wish i understood how to take breaks xD
With MD3 - specifically picking what kind of gifts you get & being able to upgrade them - Mariachi Sinclair has put in a LOT of work in my sinking team for it. I still have no use for chef greg and there's even less of a use for his passive now with half the cast having budget fluid sacs that heal HP for everyone.
Can at least uptie Outis out of the worst IDs, weak, bad, and underwhelming, sure. But pride on demand with a pretty powerful evade, can easily make nebulizer and Mentor Meursault get their effects. Although this is written 1 year after video is posted, I still remember when I first made BL team setup, and always lamented the fact that BL Sinclair never had any pride except his rare S3, so I lost turns where Nebulizer would've given me poise (Nebulizer EGO Gift tl;dr: Upon 3 pride abs-res (or upgraded: 2 pride res), whole team gets poise and poise count))
Well, Sloshish really is not the worst ID. She has: 1) 57/98 place as avg clasher. And s3 also works against most enemy skills in MD2 Hard. 2) Very solid def stats (best one Def stat among ALL 00 and is equal to 000 tanks (40)), top 5 HP (199) on par with base Salt 3) easy-triggered passive skill 4) Noice tremor-rupture support passive 5) aggro 6) 2-7 speed 7) passive damage boost for the team for losing clashes without any condition Btw, Tremor is bad because most enemies have only 1-2 stagger thresholds, and you can't always setup big damage in stagger. After that, Tremor doesn't do anything if some characters don't have procs from burst. So her S3 is just another way to spend Tremor Count (sadly, that team is not really ready yet). While BL Outis and Sinclair have a lot lesser positive sides... And Sloshma>N Corp Salt no diff It sounds like a Skill Issue.
One thing I wanna say about mariachi sinclair that is hilarious for fights where you can target. Just don’t clash with his attacks and only clash with the evade. It lets him solo way more contrnt than he really should ^^
Although I really like Ishmael, I agree that Sloshmael is the worst ID. I was surprised at first that you didn't even mentioned her in the first half. Lol
Funny. I've practically made a "joke" EGO exclusively meant for Sloshing Ishmael. The "joke" being that people are far too horny to pay attention towards how Sloshmael is terrible in all things outside of being a Tank, and the "punchline" (remember that these people set the votes to 70 on day 1) is Melting Love. A Corrosion only ALEPH that kills ALL of your entire team (and the enemy) outside of Sloshmael while focusing on her tankiness. They were still too horny to not notice (At least someone gave a pretty good Outis EGO in the form of Pinks)
Me watching this as an arknights player. Lappland, Glaucus, Absinthe, and Kirara are all my favorite ops. They have their own uses such as Lappland being the best silencer in the entire game as well as insane dps, Glaucus is the ultimate drone clear, Absinthe is an absolute finisher, and Kirara is some aoe and I just like how she plays. And especially, I like all their characterization. They’re far from the best, but even the worst have uses. A big issue for me with Limbus is that because identities are split between characters, you have a big problem where honestly you only really need the *best* for each character individually and there’s not much reason to build multiple ids for the same person and more so if it means everyone else you build will be less effective. I love Don, but building all of Don’s ids when I can only use one at a time does feel quite bad. It’s not something Limbus can realistically fix, I hope there’s some way around it tho.
Especially with resources being somewhat tight in the current Limbus Economy…it is an unfortunate byproduct. Ishmael suffers the most though, since I would honestly say she does have multiple IDs worth using…which makes a certain someone far harder to justify.
I too play both; though, while I have played Limbus since launch, I've only been into Arknights for a little over a month now. I already can't pick just one favorite for each operator archetype. I have adored my time in both games and have several strong teams in each, but I will admit I also feel that problem of a lack of build diversity in Limbus. Your team and their EGOs are the only two main variables, with EGO generation essentially becoming a background feature that falls into place automatically since the Identities that match certain EGOs (e.g. Burn IDs with Capote, 4th Match Flame, and Ardor Blossom Star in Ishmael's case) already naturally generate a majority of what's needed to cast said EGOs, if not all of it. But the thing is, you need to _have_ all of them to use them. An obvious point, yes, but missing even one piece of the puzzle (_especially_ a 000 ID) limits you that much further, since the general idea is that you want to make teams around doing as much of a certain thing as possible; be it stacking a status, raw burst damage, and/or tanking and sustaining. You only really get to mix and match with your 5th battle slot and onwards. All of this ties into - as you have said - a bit of a feast or famine scenario wherein the good IDs reign supreme with power and EGO synergy alike, and others fall to the wayside if they don't pull their weight in a full specialized team. Chef Ryōshū is a perfect example of one of these multitool IDs; great damage, great clashes, sin synergy with Liu and N Corp alike, provides some sustain to the team with her passive regardless of whether she's on or off the field, etcetera. I will say that I think Uptie 4 Seven Section Ryōshū now holds her own with her insane clash power even in MD2 Hard, Kurokumo has good clash power and is great for bleed teams, and her new Charge ID is also looking fantastic if you can get it... but few other sinners have nearly as many equivalents to their higher tier options like that, if any at all.
Wouldn't it be funny if they made Sloshmael gives bonus points in the upcoming walpurgis as it seems to be fairy-themed? Ahaha, that would be hilarious, wouldn't it...
one funny thing about Mariachi and ANY Id where a big part of their appeal is their defensive skill....that update...that one update that made it so your defensive skill only activates if the guy who you are targeting one-sides you and only afterwards works on following attacks (but defensive skills have very low priority so chances are you aren't gonna activate it before taking damage) was such a stupid decision. Before, defensive skills were "combat start", someone one-sides you, they activate. Now a lot of Ids, like Mariachi Sinclair lose their only reason for being present in human fights. BTW the reason it was changed is likely because a lot of powerful IDs, like R corp Heathcliff had 4-14 evades and could solo encounters by evading the entire enemy team for 3+ turns until they had the skill slot requirement to win
So I was doing a think about this topic some more and I think Ive finally determined which id is the worst after getting back into the game. LCB Faust. Every other worst id has at least some niche use even if its something as mundane as meeting a requirement for one of the fusion ego gifts (like mariachi sinclair). But Faust… Faust is just so absurdly slow, rolls so pretty low with an awful offense level and doesn’t even have any effects like (poise, bleed , burn , etc.) to work with ego gifts, only fuels her base ego and only just barely, sloth and pride are two of the most common sin combos on IDs in the game so its not even that she has a niche of being there for sin generation ;-;
As someone who pulled Regret Faust and R Cliff on my first day pkaying within 3 total 10 pulls, being forced to use sloshing is quite simply a skill issue.
I was really surprised slosh wasn't mentioned until the end because my top 3 worse IDs were literally your listing lol. I seriously don't get what they can do to her besides making her skills do aoe but for some reason they made her a potency on clash loss which tbh is horrible because it's literally just better to land a normal hit than lose the clash for the amount of potency you get.
The only use for sloshmael is replacing all her skills with skill 3 in mirror dungeon and using her as a clashing slave(or solo hard mode bull if you are mentally insane)
Sloshing is good, I've been using her for MD2H, she trivializes most abnormality fights making everyone go unopposed. You get her and K Corp Hong lu and you never have to clash ever again
The only idea i have about sloshmael is that she works with enemies when they already are past their stagger line, in which case additional tremor is redundant. Oft will tremor teams create far far more tremor count than needed to stagger enemy, so she would drink it to spit out a different debuff, mire relevant in late fight. As her attacks mostly do single hits, she would also allow that debuff to stack, so her kit took that into consideration. But then again, rapture? Why rapture? Is it cause her spells work with other canto 4 IDs, heavily green reliant? Benching Talismanclair allows her to get NASTY rupture per turn count, but the rest of tremor based IDs dont support it either. And other green/rupture IDs like G corps or sevens dont tackle tremor at all, making tremor stacks awkwardly ineffective. What of spicebush? It needs tremor on itself, not enemy, so putting slish there could use that additional, redundant stacks. In that case she becomes a slightly tankier and longer lasting LCCB Ish, designed for canto 4 ID pack, dabbling in everything a little, overlapping just enough to wirk together but unfocused as whole.
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Charge Team Video is coming next week, I needed time (and still need time really) to script and research for it. I hope you all enjoy this video in the meantime.
Take your time. We're used to content drought.
The longer one thing takes, the better it becomes. Take your time esgoo!
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Could you increase the volume of your video a bit? It's very quiet compare to other videos on youtube even on max volume, I enjoy watching your contents so it would be nice if I could hear you a bit better.
I feel like Sloshmael was some act of cosmic balance for how good the other Ishmael IDs are.
Then where's Hong Lu's balance???
(Also Faust but we know she is special)
Somehow she managed to get an even weaker ID that does exactly what another of 00 ranked ID does.
But just better.
@@adam17tt I am convinced Hong Lu will never have a bad ID. His W Corp ID makes bad charge IDs incredible, his Kurokumo Wakashu has very good damage and okay clash, Ting Tang is Ting Tang, it's just pretty solid and K-corp can solo MD2H more easily than any ID. As for Liu, I use him in burn teams and that's funny. Even base Hong Lu is crazy good at keeping high sanity.
@@Cluke6Ting Tang is literally Kurokumo, but better in every way.
Incredible DMG dealer plus fixes the biggest problem of Kurokumo - clashes.
Mmmmmm thiccshmeal
It really feels like Chef Gregor was destined SPECIFICALLY for the Chicken event and nowhere else. His kit is built with high speed, low clash, paralysis, and wanting to target high bleed count enemies, that all combined together to make his "thing" that he goes first during a turn, targets an enemy, then a slower ally aggro's away the actual clash, allowing Gregor to "prepare the dish" for his ally with paralysis to weaken them for the ally, or extra bleed count to make them really hurt once the clash starts. Which, that was a big aspect of the Chicken event too, the Bongys were insanely tough to clash with, encouraging you to have slower allies aggro away clashes, and stagger the enemy before they could even try to clash anyone.
But with only 3-7 speed, it means he REALLY needs bind to actually consistently go faster than other Sinners and the enemies, given 3-6 is the standard DPS speed range, and most actual high speed characters are in the range of 4/5-8, which his only source of bind is his S2. Even his "random debuffs GO" base Ego can't inflict Bind whatsoever. And, all of this is in addition to the problem of "Why not just use someone who can do all that, but without so many hoops and also can clash?" Plenty of other Ids can inflict paralysis next turn, can clash well in the first place, and even assuming Gregor gets his +2 bleed count on an enemy with an assload of un-triggered bleed, counting the damage from his skills themselves, other IDs can can still deal way more damage, all at the same time.
He's an interesting concept for a support, literally a sous-chef that prepares the enemy for the "main chef" to deal with. But he sacrifices being an actually strong ID in order to embody that concept so "perfectly" that he ends up being outclassed at his own job by other IDs that aren't even trying to do that(7YiSang, NFaust, uptie4 Wfaust). Even KKRyoushu does a better job at "going first to soften enemies up for allies to clash with later", and she's basically designed to be a pure damage dealer unit!
Aggro wasn't even a thing back then, so he was just used because you got more event points by having him in your team, that and for legerdemain spam
I hadn't even considered the thematic parallels. That's kinda cool that he does prepare the enemy to be 'cooked'. It's a shame he is trash in spite of what could have been an interesting design philosophy. Don't know why he was the first one to have Myo's Prowess at home either...super strange.
To be honest I can't hate chef Gregor. Yes he's practicaly useless in a fight nowadays (or very niche at the very least), but his support carried me through the early days of Mirror dungeon hard mode, by giving me a lot healing with chef Ryoshu. (back when I wasn't using a full Liu team).
Chef Greg is why I was so happy we didn't need the Boatworks IDs in our battle party for the bonus he was so worthless vs the boss I had him strictly on bongy killing duty which he still had issues with.
Sorry to erm actually a week old comment but erm actually the person you replied to didn't mean the aggro mechanic added recently. Rather they were referring to the ability to direct an enemy's skill with a clash and hit under it with a second skill. When gregor and the other id are both faster than the target you can choose which clashes, and if gregor is faster than the other id his unopposed attack will go first and apply paralyze, allowing the second id to get an easy attack
The worst ID is absolutely Dante, all he does is suffer and do no damage
he revives
they
@@wendewang673Dante is a He.. it’s implied he was a dude before all of this
@@wendewang673dont they refer dante as he not that?
Their support passive is op wdym
Mariachi Sinclair my beloved... it's such a funny identity, and has one of my favorites since the beginning, but it suffers so much from the lack of aggro and the fact that his skill 3's really fun gimmick does nothing when you have the starlight reward in MD2. The changes made to defensive skills early on in Limbus really hit funny evade tanking hard, especially since Mariachi Sinclair has far too low speed to get his evade to go early in normal fights.
At least he's uniquely suited for sinking MD2H. He's a solid option as one of the 2 starter 00 IDs as he has the best sinking application of any of the 00s, has a S3 with really good, free clash power, and is tanky enough with high health (200+) with blunt resistance so that even if messes up and takes damage he'll be able to take much more of a beating than others.
2:36 love how Prwden is being treated like voldemort by the PM community
honestly i just use it to see how to build teams when i forget what id does what (also thanks to it i realised we also need more ammo ids)
I'm out of the loop, what happened?
Rightfully so, they have never made a good tier list in any game they cover
Thank you for censoring their name.
@@lachlanmccormick3486 Not any one specific thing, but just, they do a terrible job at a lot of things, including not actually reviewing the IDs in their review sections, and really don't seem to understand many of the IDs properly. As just one example, their entire review for why Nfaust is in A tier, is entirely talking about how terrible she is compared to her other IDs now that uptie 4 have come out. It explains literally nothing, seems to misunderstand why she's still a very strong ID, and somehow has both "Decent clash" as a positive at the same time as "struggles with clashing".
Given how genuinely their best usage as a website is just for quickly seeing all of a Sinner's uptie 4 skills and stats on a single page, the community naturally has quite the stockpile of laughs to be made at their expense.
FINALLY I'll now know who's worse than slopmael
Edit: NOOOOOO
Sloshmael has no upsides, you can only use her as a punching bad when you dont have enough good ids
The 22 rolling Corrosive Splash:
LCB Sinner Don Quixote is clearly the best ID in the entire game, beating the likes of TingTang Gang Gangleader Hong Lu, Kurokumo Hong Lu, The One Who Shall Grip Sinclair, Faust, W Corp Cleanup Agent Don, W Corp Cleanup Agent Ryoshu, R Corp Pack Rabbit Heathcliff, Liu Association Ishmael, Molar Boatworks Ishmael, Molar Office Outis, Zena, The Red Mist, My Mother, Me, Doncat, Zenamaze, ...
mewsalk, stop, we cant simp Don in our conner, dont bring Don here, ESGOO'll roast her in his base id review later
@@brunpoon875 NUH UH
Base Don could take down the Library, why would I roast her?
Was disappointed by the lack of Zwei Sinclair slander, but faith was restored with Sloshmael brutality
Sloshing Ishmael felt like Project Moon didn’t really know what her kit should’ve been so they stow it in a pot and sprinkled random stuff until it birthed this terrible ID.
I think it would’ve been cool if Slosh Ishmael borrowed similar mechanics from Fairy Gentleman like she could’ve give your team morale boost for huge damage potential but suffer from tipsy later and a side of (actual) tremor support. Maybe morale boost could also affect the enemy side as well like how the talisman from talisman Sinclair work as both a positive and negative effect. I really wished that Project Moon put more thought into her ID and I hope that her kit gets reworked someday.
Good video as always ESGOO
A upload from ESGOO is a good day
Edit: Lol I was so confused at first before the twist was waiting for it
Well I do basically agree with you about Sloshmael. I will say there is 1 small thing she has going for her. She is basically a strict upgrade to Base Ishmael(not a high bar I know). They both have the same damage type, sin affinities, and they both do tremor, but sloshing has an easier time fueling her base EGO with having gloom and wrath as skills 1 & 2 respectively. There are very few situations where you'd pick Slosh over LCCB, but hey it's something
I guess she's supposed to be a reference to LobCorp in that case, since you have no real reason to use Fairy Festival's ego outside of a direct upgrade for base agents early in the game
@@NeoAya Nope. Sloshing is a reference to Fairy Gentleman, one of the abnos that was used by the Technology Liberation Alliance (alongside So That No One Will Cry (Talisman) and Drifting Fox (Sunshower)
@@kichiroumitsurugi4363Fairy Gentleman is related to Fairy Festival, it’s equivalent.
that yield my flesh to claim their bones event helped out LCCB rodion a bit since stuff like jun's "Rules Of The Backstreets" is a defense skill
that event also helped BL outis by providing more units that give others poise (mainly BL don and meursault)
Honestly one of the best LB content creators on the platform.
ok, but it's ishmael covered in slime
I like how the community actively despises prydwen to the point of refusing to say their name when discussing the tier list
Is it that bad ? I remember checking it once or twice when I started playing a while back so I'm not sure what's the deal.
Who's that
@@anboard prydwen is the name of a website that has a limbus company analysis and tier list section. Despite being the most popular limbus website for some reason it's famously inaccurate when it comes to judging character strength
@@noishfanboy1141 thx
@@Blood_M4ster the list is managed by one person so there are no 2 angles on it which leads to things like RB chef ryoshu being lower than KK ryoshu on launch and a lot of other dumb things. Fun discord members there, but i wouldn't recommend it as the ultimate tierlist for limbus
the fake out on who the real worst was got me ngl. I wasn't keeping up to date on whos uptie 4s were good, so i just assumed when you didnt show sloshing at first i assumed got a good ut4... at least ishmael's 000s are all really good
All other 00s are great too, lccb is bread and butter of tremor and rupture teams while also being able to paralyze enemies if you give her haste, meanwhile sheesh becomes id with damage and clashing close to that of nsinclair at below 50%
00 has so many strong ids that can compete with 000. I built a rupture team with LCCB Ishy, Talisman Sinclair, Seven Ryosyu, Seven Yi Samg, Seven Outis, Rosespanner Gregor and K corp Hong Lu. It contains 5 00 and this team does rupture really well. Tbf I get Thunderbranch at the start, but I think you'll be fine without it.
Also all 00 in the team are already great, sans maybe Gregor outside rupture team.
You really had me there with Sinclair, you made me forget how bad Sloshmael is. No ID should want to lose a clash, just to inflict a little extra status. Its a shame as she has such a neat S3 animation for such a bad ability.
So I enjoy Chef Gregor, do I think you were too hard?
No I think you went too easy.
Chef Gregor is an event ID that you have to earn, every other ID shown that could be worse you can at least get at any time. You have to earn your Sous Chef so that he can be benched while the other event ID Chef Ryoshu can actually do the cooking. What actually annoys me is that he's so close, SO CLOSE, to being just an average Gregor ID. If that Skill 3 was 1 coin power higher he basically be the same as his fellow IDs who all have 3-4 coins , and be on par with Lui Gregor at least, but no he has to have 1 coin power with a caveat that might as well not exist.
Yes he has an even better version, purely because Lust is more common, at the moment who know of the future, of the sin affinities, but the fact that the only reason you can want him is something EVERYONE already has lowers him in my eyes. The only thing he's got going for him is that his animations look and sound so good, but that's not a reason to use him.
Wait that's the reason I use him.
...On paper I can see why Project Moon wanted his coins to be lower, all those effects do look good, but they forgot that if the skill can't clash for at least a 50/50 it's probably not going to be used in human fights and for abno. Also being good in Abno fights I don't think is an upside to anyone, I can't think of an ID that's bad in those type of fights.
Just to answer last question: "better at abno fight" translates to "suffer from no focused clash" which is a problem many ids have. It's the human fight that has major flaws, not that ids are better or worse in human fights.
I think human fight now is miserable and should have an option to be focused, I want to rip my hair out every time I see my W Ryosyu can only S3 a staggered enemy but not ones that clash for like 25.
Honestly, you deserve a raise.
It's going to be epic when a new EGO comes out that randomly fits some of these IDs so well that they become good.
That last part you said about new players, there are SO many players out there that like Mariachi because he's funny and saved their ass in Canto 3; they probably have a special place for him in their hearts.
Tbh it the hardest thing abt finding bad ids is that you can make them work if you try hard enough xD
Really in that case then, the way you find something "bad" is to find the ones you need to try the hardest to make them work. Ex: I have the jankiest team as my main content clearing team, featuring Spicebush, Liu Ishmael, and NClair, with W Don and whoever else I feel like bringing that day (most of the time it's Rsault or Liu Hong Lu) and a lot of the time the extra ID barely does anything as the main four, each with a *completely different synergy* end up doing perfectly fine together, clearing me through all the main content of the game. I've never really experienced any genuine difficulty except for 5 seconds vs Kromer, but then I realized "Oh, I just need to learn to clash LOL" and she died horribly.
@@META_mahnspicebush, liu ish and nclair are all rather amazing. It should be quite hard to lose much with some of the best ID's.
I'M STILL INSTANTLY CATCHING THE UMINEKO MUSIC oh my god i love it.
anyway, great and entertaining video as usual. i never really would've thought about what the worst ids in the game are, and the results.. aren't all too shocking when put into light.
I had no idea Chef Gregor was considered so bad.. at the very least, whenever I can get him, I do want to use him as a support, so it still works out.
Can't wait for a video going indepth on base IDs! Love these indepth videos. Also great touch using Umineko music for Gregor's segment :D
He's the Magical Gregor Chef after all...
Oh same. I used him a ton early on and did pretty well.
my first 2 cool IDs were sloshing ishmael and mariachis sinclair
i clicked this vid to see if they were any good
>Me, an ishmael simp sitting patiently knowing damn well Nickolodeon Gak Ishmael is the worst
You fool! I've outsmarted your outsmarting!
I don't know if someone asked you already, but a Tier list Thread IV for EGO would be amazing, the identity one was really helpfull, amazing vids as always
s tier would be abor bloom
While some of the things in defense of Sloshmael have been said already, I think it's worth compiling some of the upsides. Most of these actually are regards to a Tremor team, since I don't think she holds up anywhere else as a tank or as a unit. She does generate her own EGO resources, which if you look at a full tremor team (and not including just splashing good units irrelevant to the status) none of them generate wrath except base Heath and N Don. While her rewards for eating hits or losing clashes are minimal, she does give some support to losing while also just simply being a tank in the archetype. She also clashes better than any other Tremor unit with her S3, so if you needed to win without using an EGO, it's there and you'd live with it griefing you if you need to win that clash. There's also good synergy here with activating Snagharpoon early for both losing and as a clash winning EGO button if needed.
In comparison, LCCB has some huge upsides but equally mediocre rolls and the same offence level. Only her S2 is a big win without tremor already stacked, and her passive gives Tremor generation equivalent to Slosh on wins (assuming all hits). Her guard roll is lower and she's ammo limited. I understand why LCCB is run and I don't think it's invalid, but in the restricted analysis of Tremor units only, I don't think the comparison is as big a distance as a it seems. Still, generally speaking the Rosespanner/Tremor units don't clash that well and it's nice to have a tank working at least some of the time to redirect.
I'd probably vote for BL Outis, as a standalone unit she doesn't build her own Poise well at all, nor generate EGO resources for her own ego. She loses on utility for passives since trash encounters rarely need the boost and if you're in the final stretch for bosses, you probably don't need it at all. Clashing is decent but nowhere near good, and it's too hard to trigger anything she has going on. Bad alone, bad in her archetype, bad as support. You'd have to sell me hard to convince me she's better than Slosh in her own archetype, putting aside that Tremor is quite bad if you commit fully to it.
"Has this ever happened to you: you are talking to your friend about Limbus Company...". < - Already unrelatable.
Base ID Heathcliff has carried me trough so much I recite Body Sack's voice line with him on instinct....
0:18 So, how's New Guinea?
An amazing video, just as always! I really love your content, keep up the good job! In my opinion Mariachis Sinclair is better than the Chef Gregor. Not by much, but still
Los Mariachis Sinclair sure is pretty awful. However, in his defense I want to say that at least he can be used as a glorified utility dispenser for sinking teams. In a setup with Spicebush Yi Sang + Molar Boatworks Ishmael he kinda rocks. In my opinion he is just excruciatingly niche. I would rather use him at the last floor of my MD2H run than G-corp Outis simply because they both are unable to clash properly most of the time, so at least he has more HP and applies sinking. I mean, at least be unironically helpful at some rare occasions :/
I remember trying to use Mariachi Sinclair against Kromer back when the game first released. I switched to Base Sinclair and had a better time.
Mariachi Sinclair is on a surprising amount of my teams ENTIRELY for that support passive.
i love your content bro.. you're the peak of content creation in limbus
ESGOO, more like LESGOO (sorry lol) cuz I've really been enjoying these! if you enjoy making content then keep up the good work cuz these have been great. you having fun with what you do is most important for me tho, don't want you to have a bad time or feel like you're forced to make stuff. thanks for the videos!
I think if sloshmael had an ability that also added rupture COUNT based on the current tremor count, the ability to turn tremor into rupture would have some merit. As it stands though, not really
While I do not think Sloshy Ishy isnt the worst ID because of her okay damage output I do agree that if an ID is going to have effects based around losing clashes those effects need to be actually worthwhile and not inflicting weak status effects.
Feel like Mexican Sinclair is a unit built to spend sinking tbh. Multihit that help prolong sinking abit and keep in mind that back then there're no sinking deluge yet.
Now that I think about how come it sinking that get stuff like sinking deluge considered sinking is pretty easy to trigger and some stuff deserve it more like burn.
The moment when two of my fave ID is here QAQ (Chef Gregor and Sloshing Ishmael)
You can take mexiclair from my cold dead hands
I love that boy hes out here evading brazen bull
I three-manned Bull and Mexiclair was the last man standing, dodging around like a toreador
I have a soft spot for sloshing Ishmael because it was one of the first IDs I got when I started playing and was using through most of chapter 3. It was even the first ID I uptied to tier 3 of all things.
Eventually though, I stopped using it because her other IDs are much better and more fun to use (Liu my beloved).
Chef Gregor might be a bad ID but the art is so hot it automatically makes it a 10/10 for me
I use Sloshmael, and currently it's my only uptie 4 (fite me!).
In most of my teams I have her and Rosespanner Rodya. This way, on top of tanking, passively, Slosh helps boosting Rodya's 2 and 3 by slowly building up Tremor.
Also Slosh's 3 is a decent clasher, 22 is nothing to sneeze at. None of the others you mentioned can really clash imo.
Sloshmael is a punching ball, and she's good at that. You're probably right about her not fitting a Tremor team but... Frankly, I wouldn't play a pure Tremor team.
Yeah, I really don't think she's worse than Mariachi/Chef. The whole tremor thing is a bit of a headscratcher but she's a decent, functional tank who at least rolls double digits in clashes. She also has a gloom s1 and a wrath s2, and if you want both of those together purely for sin gen she's the only useable option. Her overall problem though is, 'what team wants this ID on it, but not one of Ishmael's other ID's?' Tremor? No. Charge? LOL. Sunshower? No. Sinking? LOL. Etc.
I used Sloshmael on Canto V and helped a lot to cover when there is impossible clash wins. At uptie 4, even if she loses a clash she gives debuffs to the enemy, making it kinda good to cover others and still build that tremor up. And if she doesn't do any damage, she wins a shield so... It's bassicaly meat fooder for that kinda of clashes.
@@theoldmanofthemountain7514 It's clever, but I'm chuckling because on top of having to face her demons, you've forced Ishmael to face them while using the Ego she hates the most.😁
If Mariachi Sinclair has a million fans, I'll be one of them. If Mariachi Sinclair has only one fan, I'll be them.
Do I regularly use Mariachi Sinclair? ...no. But I still love him.
Do not worry you are certantly aren't the only one, but I'm less of a Mariachi fan but more of a Mariachi enjoyer as Jefe is my numero uno.
And he absolutly can be useful if you build a team around him + he's great at soloing most of the bosses
And yeah.... also I use him cuz I hate to use the only other and coincidentaly my first 000 Sinclair ID - The N corp one
In was very concerned when I saw your top 3 but was relieved when I saw the fat suit
From a reasonable video it turned out to be extremely biased at the end. Of course the problems of Sloshing Ishmael you've mentioned are legit and very bad, but at least she can clash better that those previous guys, and well, i guess she can tank. She is certainly bad, but I wouldn't say she is the worst among the worst. That was just your outrage on her. Sure, her usage is stupid, but i'd still rather use her than those previous candidates.
By the way, i'm surprised that Red Sheet Sinclair didn't make it here. Even after the fix, he is still terrible. I don't remember ever seeing anyone using him.
???red sheet sinclaire is the premiere rupture team member, his rolls are all decent, what the fuck are you on about???
Knew it couldn't be Chef Gregor, he actually has another use: sexy.
I'm going to take this moment and kick Sloshmael while it's down: No, everyone actually *does* has a better alternative than Sloshmael and her name is Shi ishmael, the free 00 literally everybody gets during the tutorial.
unless they skip the tutorial on accident, I got shishmael a long while after the tutorial because of that
Umineko music in a Limbus video ❤
personally i still don't see an use for bl outis, if sloshing ishmael can at the absolute least function as a tank while bl outis struggles to function as anything without needing someone else to fuel an ego for her i'd say she takes the cake, mariachi sinclair and chef gregor manage to be better because their support passives are perfectly usable and have a place
It kinda comes down to BL Outis being just below average as a damage dealer. Her skill 3 is just not great, not the worst. Her 2 slash DMG up means she deals even better damage…it’s weird to talk about when the ID is still really bad, but her clashing is far better and her damage is more reliable even without the poise. That’s why she was an easy elimination, she’s consistently below average. The other two (three) don’t even have that luxury sometimes.
Hopefully that makes sense.
@@therealESGOO it probably does
I want Mariachi Sinclair to be buffed so badly cause I love those maracas but there’s almost nowhere for me to use him 😭😭😭
I see sunshower Heathcliff in unfortunate cases and I suddenly am feeling very violent
3:39 This actually only makes her s1 roll an 11 as the english text is incorrect (it grants +1 coin power instead of +3 in KR and JP).
Other than that great vid!
You know, I've been making a case of chucking shards to the void every other week by making them Sinclair ones, since I observed none of his stuff is worth bringing up to uptie 4. Seeing that mariachi isnt really that great is neat, even tho I like the style it brings.
I just wish to say that Mariachi Sinclair carried my way through all up to Chapter 3 before N Corp Sinclair on Season 1 💔
Great video! although i DID expect the twist at the end as a once LCCB ishmael addict, sloshmael is straight up just a horrible version of LCCB ishmael with slightly better clashes and slightly better tankyness, yet still is somehow 60 times worse, I honestly wish she wasnt a tremor unit and instead was a fairy wine unit, because getting drunk sounds like a fun mechanic instead of...that but yeah, very hyped for the next video! good luck making it, for i WILL, be stating my opinions on YOUR opinions whenever it comes out! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA *insert evil laugh*
Anyways, good luck with the video! and be sure to take breaks whenever you need to, because as a bit of a workaholic myself...god i wish i understood how to take breaks xD
6:38 umineko music 👀
Coming here after watching your railway video is very interesting
With MD3 - specifically picking what kind of gifts you get & being able to upgrade them - Mariachi Sinclair has put in a LOT of work in my sinking team for it. I still have no use for chef greg and there's even less of a use for his passive now with half the cast having budget fluid sacs that heal HP for everyone.
Can at least uptie Outis out of the worst IDs, weak, bad, and underwhelming, sure. But pride on demand with a pretty powerful evade, can easily make nebulizer and Mentor Meursault get their effects.
Although this is written 1 year after video is posted, I still remember when I first made BL team setup, and always lamented the fact that BL Sinclair never had any pride except his rare S3, so I lost turns where Nebulizer would've given me poise
(Nebulizer EGO Gift tl;dr: Upon 3 pride abs-res (or upgraded: 2 pride res), whole team gets poise and poise count))
sloshing ishmael crawled so every other ishmael could run
I always use Mariachi Sinclair for his support passiv in MD2 with the charge team that I currently use.
I was waiting so long for the TRUE worst real. I love the ID though cause it amuses me.
One of my friends unironically uses Chef Greg for support in battle. I pray for her sanity sometimes
Well, Sloshish really is not the worst ID. She has:
1) 57/98 place as avg clasher. And s3 also works against most enemy skills in MD2 Hard.
2) Very solid def stats (best one Def stat among ALL 00 and is equal to 000 tanks (40)), top 5 HP (199) on par with base Salt
3) easy-triggered passive skill
4) Noice tremor-rupture support passive
5) aggro
6) 2-7 speed
7) passive damage boost for the team for losing clashes without any condition
Btw, Tremor is bad because most enemies have only 1-2 stagger thresholds, and you can't always setup big damage in stagger. After that, Tremor doesn't do anything if some characters don't have procs from burst. So her S3 is just another way to spend Tremor Count (sadly, that team is not really ready yet).
While BL Outis and Sinclair have a lot lesser positive sides...
And Sloshma>N Corp Salt no diff
It sounds like a Skill Issue.
One thing I wanna say about mariachi sinclair that is hilarious for fights where you can target. Just don’t clash with his attacks and only clash with the evade. It lets him solo way more contrnt than he really should ^^
I still would have said chef greg just because we were basically forced to use him during the event
Although I really like Ishmael, I agree that Sloshmael is the worst ID. I was surprised at first that you didn't even mentioned her in the first half. Lol
I was so dissapointed when you said Mexican Sinclair was worst. I was thinking "he didn't even mention goo Ishmael"
I was -waiting- for the reveal of who the worst was, and I was not disappointed, lmao.
Funny.
I've practically made a "joke" EGO exclusively meant for Sloshing Ishmael. The "joke" being that people are far too horny to pay attention towards how Sloshmael is terrible in all things outside of being a Tank, and the "punchline" (remember that these people set the votes to 70 on day 1) is Melting Love. A Corrosion only ALEPH that kills ALL of your entire team (and the enemy) outside of Sloshmael while focusing on her tankiness.
They were still too horny to not notice (At least someone gave a pretty good Outis EGO in the form of Pinks)
holy shit Umineko music
Me watching this as an arknights player.
Lappland, Glaucus, Absinthe, and Kirara are all my favorite ops. They have their own uses such as Lappland being the best silencer in the entire game as well as insane dps, Glaucus is the ultimate drone clear, Absinthe is an absolute finisher, and Kirara is some aoe and I just like how she plays. And especially, I like all their characterization.
They’re far from the best, but even the worst have uses. A big issue for me with Limbus is that because identities are split between characters, you have a big problem where honestly you only really need the *best* for each character individually and there’s not much reason to build multiple ids for the same person and more so if it means everyone else you build will be less effective. I love Don, but building all of Don’s ids when I can only use one at a time does feel quite bad.
It’s not something Limbus can realistically fix, I hope there’s some way around it tho.
Especially with resources being somewhat tight in the current Limbus Economy…it is an unfortunate byproduct. Ishmael suffers the most though, since I would honestly say she does have multiple IDs worth using…which makes a certain someone far harder to justify.
I too play both; though, while I have played Limbus since launch, I've only been into Arknights for a little over a month now. I already can't pick just one favorite for each operator archetype.
I have adored my time in both games and have several strong teams in each, but I will admit I also feel that problem of a lack of build diversity in Limbus. Your team and their EGOs are the only two main variables, with EGO generation essentially becoming a background feature that falls into place automatically since the Identities that match certain EGOs (e.g. Burn IDs with Capote, 4th Match Flame, and Ardor Blossom Star in Ishmael's case) already naturally generate a majority of what's needed to cast said EGOs, if not all of it.
But the thing is, you need to _have_ all of them to use them. An obvious point, yes, but missing even one piece of the puzzle (_especially_ a 000 ID) limits you that much further, since the general idea is that you want to make teams around doing as much of a certain thing as possible; be it stacking a status, raw burst damage, and/or tanking and sustaining. You only really get to mix and match with your 5th battle slot and onwards.
All of this ties into - as you have said - a bit of a feast or famine scenario wherein the good IDs reign supreme with power and EGO synergy alike, and others fall to the wayside if they don't pull their weight in a full specialized team. Chef Ryōshū is a perfect example of one of these multitool IDs; great damage, great clashes, sin synergy with Liu and N Corp alike, provides some sustain to the team with her passive regardless of whether she's on or off the field, etcetera. I will say that I think Uptie 4 Seven Section Ryōshū now holds her own with her insane clash power even in MD2 Hard, Kurokumo has good clash power and is great for bleed teams, and her new Charge ID is also looking fantastic if you can get it... but few other sinners have nearly as many equivalents to their higher tier options like that, if any at all.
6:38 Magical Gouda Chef??
I love having 2 of the worst identities, and actually never use them
same
Another banger from the GOAT
im going to bet the worst id is chef gregor
I played up through chapter 3 using both mariachi sinclair and BL Outis back on launch lol
Wouldn't it be funny if they made Sloshmael gives bonus points in the upcoming walpurgis as it seems to be fairy-themed? Ahaha, that would be hilarious, wouldn't it...
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"Skill 1 isn't known of being good"
Brb need to clash x-17 skill with R Ish 3-17 s1
10:30 You know, I had legit forgotten about this one by the time we got to the fake ending.
one funny thing about Mariachi and ANY Id where a big part of their appeal is their defensive skill....that update...that one update that made it so your defensive skill only activates if the guy who you are targeting one-sides you and only afterwards works on following attacks (but defensive skills have very low priority so chances are you aren't gonna activate it before taking damage) was such a stupid decision. Before, defensive skills were "combat start", someone one-sides you, they activate. Now a lot of Ids, like Mariachi Sinclair lose their only reason for being present in human fights. BTW the reason it was changed is likely because a lot of powerful IDs, like R corp Heathcliff had 4-14 evades and could solo encounters by evading the entire enemy team for 3+ turns until they had the skill slot requirement to win
i have yet to see ANYONE make a tierlist of all available ID's. Like literally noone has made that into a video yet.
The entire reason i have zwei rod is cause shi Ishmael in a wrath team exists
So I was doing a think about this topic some more and I think Ive finally determined which id is the worst after getting back into the game. LCB Faust. Every other worst id has at least some niche use even if its something as mundane as meeting a requirement for one of the fusion ego gifts (like mariachi sinclair). But Faust… Faust is just so absurdly slow, rolls so pretty low with an awful offense level and doesn’t even have any effects like (poise, bleed , burn , etc.) to work with ego gifts, only fuels her base ego and only just barely, sloth and pride are two of the most common sin combos on IDs in the game so its not even that she has a niche of being there for sin generation ;-;
As someone who pulled Regret Faust and R Cliff on my first day pkaying within 3 total 10 pulls, being forced to use sloshing is quite simply a skill issue.
1:13 Subjective objectivity is indeed a hard thing to deal with.
I was really surprised slosh wasn't mentioned until the end because my top 3 worse IDs were literally your listing lol. I seriously don't get what they can do to her besides making her skills do aoe but for some reason they made her a potency on clash loss which tbh is horrible because it's literally just better to land a normal hit than lose the clash for the amount of potency you get.
You see, Sloshmael sucks because looking at the art, I thought it was Ishmael walking around with a bucket.
The only use for sloshmael is replacing all her skills with skill 3 in mirror dungeon and using her as a clashing slave(or solo hard mode bull if you are mentally insane)
she might get buffed in the future pls project moon let us slosh
Sloshing is good, I've been using her for MD2H, she trivializes most abnormality fights making everyone go unopposed. You get her and K Corp Hong lu and you never have to clash ever again
The only idea i have about sloshmael is that she works with enemies when they already are past their stagger line, in which case additional tremor is redundant.
Oft will tremor teams create far far more tremor count than needed to stagger enemy, so she would drink it to spit out a different debuff, mire relevant in late fight. As her attacks mostly do single hits, she would also allow that debuff to stack, so her kit took that into consideration.
But then again, rapture? Why rapture? Is it cause her spells work with other canto 4 IDs, heavily green reliant? Benching Talismanclair allows her to get NASTY rupture per turn count, but the rest of tremor based IDs dont support it either. And other green/rupture IDs like G corps or sevens dont tackle tremor at all, making tremor stacks awkwardly ineffective.
What of spicebush? It needs tremor on itself, not enemy, so putting slish there could use that additional, redundant stacks.
In that case she becomes a slightly tankier and longer lasting LCCB Ish, designed for canto 4 ID pack, dabbling in everything a little, overlapping just enough to wirk together but unfocused as whole.
Besides, we're not saying that any ID is totally useless... just which is worst of those existing.
you can't just say perchance
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You might be able to make Mariachi work with Peqod Ish, and Sloshmael is a decent option for Ricardo.
ZWEI SINCLAIR WAS SO ASS THAT HE NEEDED A NEW ID.