Thanks for the video Dr Syed. So....can you please summarize what is the bottom line here? Sorry it may be its me but what is your conclusion. Do we stay away from food and drink during fasting/Siyam or not? Abstinence we understand but in the relevant verses where abstinence is advised whether it is during Ramadan, or whether it is to atone for an error, what does it entail? Stay away from food and drink during the day while making sure you behave and follow the teachings of the Quran or what? Thanks in advance.
In the absolute sense Siyam means 'to abstain' and the very purpose of Siyam is to be in prudent fear of God or have God conscientious So, when do you Siyam: The various instances of the word in The Quran indicate the following: In various contexts, Siyam is used within the ambit of 'Redemption per various instances of the word in The Quran. For example, when you accidently kill someone you do Siyam, when you break your oath you do Siyam, assisting wives, no hunting, not speaking, etc. Hence, as a punitive punishments or resolution you either do Siyam for 60 days, 7 days etc., and if can't do then feed the poor etc. So, it is more closer to "Community Service" being redemption which leads to taqwa (purpose of Siyam) Since The Quran is clear, in my humble opinion, Siyam is not about abstaining from food and drink for 30 days.
@@QuranAlone Dr Syed , with respect to Abstinence during Ramadan something that lingers on in the mind is that if for nights of abstinence intimacy and consumption of food is permitted till dawn, then does that not suggest that starting from dawn to dusk, those observing abstinence must stay away from food and intimacy? Thanks.
@@QuranAlone Peace! You said: "So, when do you Siyam: The various instances of the word in The Quran indicate the following: In various contexts, Siyam is used within the ambit of 'Redemption per various instances of the word in The Quran. For example, when you accidently kill someone you do Siyam, when you break your oath you do Siyam, assisting wives, no hunting, not speaking, etc. Hence, as a punitive punishments or resolution you either do Siyam for 60 days, 7 days etc., and if can't do then feed the poor etc." I fully agree. But in 2:185, I do not see any specific instance which tells me what I have to abstain from during a certain number of days during the month of Ramadan. But in the context with 2:187 eating and drinking is mentioned. Could you please elaborate? Many thanks and peace and regards Gunnar
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Probably the most important of 14 is one where ramaDan occurs, and it's 2:185. It's very long ayet and people take it easy. One should ask himself a lot of questions, and maybe most important is what is -hu in fe-l-yaSum-hu فَلْيَصُمْهُ. We can read from the start that it is mentioning šehru-ramaDane and el-Qur'an, but then eš-šehr is mentioned again referencing to šehru-ramaDane and people think that -hu is related to it. But if we really think we can see that ayet is talking about the Qur'an, it's its topic, not about šehru-ramaDane. So, "it" (-hu) in fe-l-yaSum-hu is related to the Qur'an, not to eš-šehr. Next important questions are "what is šehru-ramaDane" and how one can "witness eš-šehr"? People assume that to witness eš-šehr means "to see a new moon", but is that really the case? And how is the Qur'an (not some of it) revealed in one month, if that's the case? We can see that we got something wrong. If we connect لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ with the start of this same surah el-beqara we can understand that the Qur'an is a tool for لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ and we should stick to it and we should abstain from all common things we do, for a certain number of days. There're a lot of questions we should think about in order to understand all we were told.
Your dedication to deriving knowledge solely from the Quran is truly admirable. It's an approach that demands careful contemplation and reflection. I'm curious to know your perspective on 58:11, a verse that presents a unique challenge. If you can shed light on its meaning without referencing external sources, it would be a testament to your commitment. Remember, discussions that encourage us to delve deeper into our beliefs can only enrich our understanding. Should you find the verse's implication elusive, perhaps it's an opportunity to reevaluate your channel's contents. Challenging ourselves to truly grasp the teachings we advocate is a noble endeavor. Looking forward to your insights!
If it’s not in the Quran to abstain from eating and drinking, then why does it mention to eat and drink until dawn and then fast till night in surah 2:187? I would like to hear your point on this
Kullu Wa Ashrabu... Consume and Imbibe.... it's talking about consuming the revelation - it's all in context. Quran comes down to corrupted city, universal message, those around should engage in SIYAM - abstain from normal daily life to learn the Quran. Keep going brother you keep breaking down the Arabic
@@jadensica1819 The word Ashrabu is used many times to describe the drinking of substances from what I can tell after Allah had given His provisions to His servants. Like the verse with the 12 springs (2:60). I can see both sides being very valid, which is why I’m trying to find the definitive truth
Thank you for your video. I am still confused though if The Quran specifically says we should ‘abstain’ from food and drink during Ramadan or from something else? The quote below in relation to Ramadan in the Quran specifically mentions food and drink. Can you please help me understand this regarding the quote below: Do we specifically abstain from food and drink during Ramadan or not? "(During Ramadan) eat and drink until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread."
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I tend to agree with your conclusion... although you could have also delved into the month the latter day Arabs have named Ramadan to find out if this is indeed the case, i.e. is "ramadan" a lunar month or an event which occured over a certain numbered days during a month? But coming back to the question you posed as the title: Why do you fast during Ramadan? My answer would be... the act of going without food & drink during the daytime for the whole lunar month which the latter day Arabs have named Ramadan is entirely a human construct... with promptings from Satan himself, of course! It is typical of humans to invent a religion by misguiding and abusing the scripture that was revealed to them. salam
Peace, Shukri Yusof! You say: "the act of going without food & drink during the daytime for the whole lunar month which the latter day Arabs have named Ramadan is entirely a human construct..." Well, how do you understand then 2:187, where eating and drinking is mentioned? And by the way, I do not see that the Siyam is connected with the whole lunar month of Ramadan, because 2:195 clearly states, that Siyam is for a certain number of days. According to my knowledge, the Arabic word "معدودات" is understood in Arabic as a period between three and ten days. Peace and regards Gunnar
@@gunnar4230 Let us try and understand the verse... 2:187 Permitted for you is intercourse with your wives on the night of the fast. They are a garment for you, and you are a garment for them. God knows that you used to betray yourselves, but He turned to you and pardoned you. So approach them now, and seek what God has ordained for you, and eat and drink until the white streak of dawn can be distinguished from the black streak. Then complete the fast until nightfall. But do not approach them while you are in retreat at the mosques. These are the limits of God, so do not come near them. God thus clarifies His revelations to the people, that they may attain piety. Please also keep in mind that the Quran is "fully detailed" and that the Quran, among other things, is also a "clear book." Now what is "fully detailed" and "clearly" explained in 2:187? 1) Permitted for you is intercourse with your wives on the night of the fast. So, this is "clearly" explained and fully detailed, right? However, does it say the eating of food and drinking fluid is permissible on the night of the fast? No! But instead, the Quran uses something that is allegorical/repeated within the Quran... " eat and drink" and it continues with... "until the white streak of dawn can be distinguished from the black streak" So, why did it not say "night" but instead "until the white streak of dawn can be distinguished from the black streak?" And, in the next verse it says, "2:188 And (do) not eat your properties among yourselves wrongfully... " What does that say to you? Could it be that in the Arabic of the Quran words like ( وَكُلُوا۟ وَٱشْرَبُو ) which is "eat and drink" are not exclusive to "food & drinks?" Go through the 109 times the word "eat" and 39 times the word "drink" are used in the Quran to get the true context of their usage. Make your own conclusion... but please remember ONE thing: 17:36 Do not follow what you have no ˹sure˺ knowledge of. Indeed, all will be called to account for ˹their˺ hearing, sight, and intellect. Hence, if abstaining from "eating food and drinking fluid" is NOT ordained by God , then you are committing the worst of sins! salam.
@@shukriyusof2104 Peace and many thanks for your detailed reply. You said: "However, does it say the eating of food and drinking fluid is permissible on the night of the fast? No!" It says: Eat and drink! The verbs are in imperative form. So, if Allah orders something to do, then it must be permissible, because Allah would not ask us to do something, what is unlawful. I agree that the Arabic verbs ( وَكُلُوا۟ وَٱشْرَبُوا ) have different meanings in the Quran. For instance, in 2:188 ... ولا تأكلوا is the meaning "do not usurp". But this meaning makes - in my view - no sense in 2:187. Nevertheless it is very interesting, that ... ولا تأكلوا "do not usurp" in 2:188 follows directly وَكُلُوا۟ وَٱشْرَبُوا in 2:187 You also said: "So, why did it not say "night" but instead "until the white streak of dawn can be distinguished from the black streak?" But the words من الفجر , point to the end of night, i.e. the dawn. However, I see that pondering about the phrase "until the white streak of dawn can be distinguished from the black streak" is useful if not necessary. Again, many thanks and peace and regards, Gunnar.
@@gunnar4230 Something you wrote is worth to ponder on... "it says:eat & drink! The verbs are in imperative form. so, if Allah orders something to do... " Okay, now ask yourself, why would Allah order you to "eat food & drink fluid" when those acts are instinctive? It would be something else if the verse would have said "do not eat food & drink fluid" in the daytime during the month the latter day Arabs have named Ramadan... because such an order would be clear & precise. As it is... do the verbs in "eat & drink" mean to "eat food & drink fluid" and taken literally or are they used as metaphors/figuratively? If you are in doubt please go check the instances when those verbs, eat & drink, are used in the Quran. Also read 3:7 as one of the guiding principles in our quest to understand the Quran from the Quran itself. salam.
@@shukriyusof2104 Peace and thanks! First I like to took as a starting point: The Arabic verb أكل has different meanings - not only in the Quran. I gave one example with 2:188. The fact that أكل has more than only one meaning is always on my mind when I find this word in the Quran. The question is, which meaning fits for the respective context. This includes 2:187. You ask: "Why would Allah order you to "eat food & drink fluid" when those acts are instinctive?" My answer: Allah does NOT order to "eat and drink" GENERALLY. HE mentions in 2:187 a specific time. I understand from this, that it is allowed to "eat and drink" during a specific time in Ramadan and that it is unlawful to "eat and drink" in the remaining time during Ramadan. And the second point in this connection is the question: Why does Allah mention the subject of women in 2:187 in a detailed manner and just in the middle of this verse comes "eat and drink". How does this go with the whole context - the context of women and Ramadan and limited time? And concerning the name "Ramadan": According to my knowledge, Ramadan was used as name for a month before the time of the prophet Muhammad, and its meaning points to the season when all is very hot and the autumn rains will start. That time corresponds to September/October. But here also a question arises. We find in 2:185, that in Ramadan the Quran was revealed. Pls note, that Allah does not say "a part of Quran", HE says القرآن / THE Quran. So, what does Ramadan really mean, and what does the Arabic word شهر really mean in this verse? Month? Moon? Full moon? Finally: I have the feeling that I can learn from you. Are you available and reachable at Facebook/Messenger? I would like to discuss with you this matter in detail, and even other topics related to the Quran - if you are agreed. Peace and regards, Gunnar
@QuranAlone Salaam, I have come across your videos recently. I have watched a few, and thank you for covering these subjects. But I was wondering, have you covered polygamy? Also can you explain when it says in the Quran "we", what does this imply. Thank you
Peace, dear brother, and many thanks for your very interesting video which you speak about an important topic in. But I have four questions: 1. I think, that there is a difference in meaning between the two Arabic words صيام siyam and صوم saum. What do you think about this? 2. How do you explain in 2:187 Allahs instruction "... eat and drink until you can discern the white streak of dawn from the blackness of night, then perform your fast until nightfall, ...."? It could be understood, that we should not eat and drink from dawn until nightfall, couldn´t it? 3. What does شهر shahr in 2:185 mean: Moon or month? 4. In 2:184 is mentioned: "أياما معدودات aiyaman ma´doodat" = a certain number of days. According to my knowledge, "معدودات" is understood in Arabic as a period between three and ten days. Do you share this view? Peace and regards Gunnar
2. I do not believe 2:187 is eat and drink. I translate it as consume and imbibe. Literally, eat and drink the Qur'an. The entire narrative surrounding physical fasting, moon sighting, no sex in the masjid, and more bizarre anomalies in these verses should reveal there is something very wrong with our traditional understanding of Ramadan
@@jadensica1819 @Jaden Sica @Jaden Sica Peace and many thanks for your feedback! I fully agree that there is something wrong with the traditional understanding of Ramadan. Your idea "eat and drink the Quran" in seems to me an interesting idea - in general. But what about the context in 2:187? The main subject in this verse is - according to my understanding - the subject of dealing with women. That is clear in the beginning and at the end of this long verse. And just in the middle "eating and drinking" is mentioned. And even it is limited for a certain time of the day. What is the connection between the subject of women and the subject of the time-limited "eating an drinking"? Does it make sense, "to eat and drink the Quran" within a limited period of time only? Peace and regards, Gunnar
Dr Syed is Ramadan actually now though, or during the harvest moon? It makes sense too as it's an equinox so equal around the planet, and it's sharing your harvest.
My opinion is that when you start to focus on the lunar month then you are simply, as they say, missing the trees for the forest... Why are you so hung up on the lunar month when you already have the Quran in your hands? Think, ponder & reflect on the Quran... every day of the year! salam.
@@astroflyinsights The Quran does NOT support this! There are 12 months in a year and time/years are determined by both the sun & the moon... for example... sundials are used to determine the hours in a day but a moondial is ONLY effective to tell time during the full moon. Also, if you were to study the Quran... the "sun & moon" are almost always mentioned together when calculating time/day/month/season/years. But the moon alone is only good for determining high & low tides and the Hajj. Please take note that the Christian clergy calculate their Easter using both the sun & the moon, but this is NOT in the Quran. Go read the Quran... everything has been fully explained. salam.
@@idb.8082 Actually... it is all relevant and inter-connected... because by your understanding of that verse which is: "... what God has asked from the believers to do on the month [the LUNAR month which the latter day Arabs have named Ramadan] in which the Quran was sent down... " But it would be more appropriate to say "... from the believers who lived during the period when the Quran was NOT yet revealed in full..." Alas, we are now in 2022 and the Quran has been revealed in full and we should just read and understand the Quran each & every day of the year... not just during the lunar month which the latter day Arabs have named Ramadan! After all... do you understand what is "taqwa?" And, more importantly, HOW do you achieve "taqwa?" Now ask yourself: How do you become mindful of Allah? Are you able to only become mindful of Allah when you go without food and drink during the daytime in the lunar month the latter day Arabs have named Ramadan? Or... Are you ALWAYS able to become mindful of Allah when you read and understand the Quran each and every day of the year? Any light bulbs get switched on? salam.
@@idb.8082 You wrote, "... because from your comment I think you were trying to search when is the month... " R e a l l y? Where and when did I ever gave you the impression to think that way? Just to prove a point, please read what I wrote 11 hours before you came up with your conjecture: ... if this is indeed the case, i.e. is "ramadan" a lunar month or an event which occured over a certain numbered days during a month?... salam.
isnt't is thought provoking that "ayyam e jahelia" we take it as days of darkness in arabic which is not literal days yet we take "shahr ramadan" as literally month of Ramadan.
Your understanding of Maryam's birth of Jesus differs from other Quranists; they allege she WAS married but her husband was not with her or had touched her for some time. It's all so confusing - I thought all Quranists were supposed to come to one central point of understanding but this is just as confusing as the various sects within Islam
Salam 2:187 ahila lakum laylat al-syiam al-rafathu ila nisa'ikum! Translation word by word: Permitted for you the night "al-syiam" the approach to your wives. This translation is making absolutely no sense. The syiam is for the mankind and permitted is for the manking to approach to our wives? What about the women? Or is the permission only for men? It's clear that nisaa doesn't women or wives... Use your sense people of the quran.
It made no sense to you because you failed to understand the context of those verses! But if you were to understand that the verse was revealed specifically to the MEN who lived during the 20+ years when the Quran was being revealed in stages... then everything would begin to make sense to those who are able to think and use reason. Go find a quiet corner somewhere and read that verse s l o w l y and try to understand each word and then sit back & take an overview of that period in time... inshaallah you might be guided. salam.
@@shukriyusof2104 "specifically to the men" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 bro, please show me the prove from the quran, that it is specifically for men. Please show me, where does Allah say, that this kitab is only for men. 🤦🏻♂️ The Quran is consistent, so every word should be a match and should make a sense.
@@Habeeby2200 The first human to receive the Quran was the messenger/prophet and he was a man, no? And, at that time, there was more to be revealed. But when it was revealed in stages, it was the messenger/prophet who received the revelation. Duh! Is that enough proof for you? salam.
@@shukriyusof2104 Ok, wait bro. Let us discuss this matter in peace. Ok, it is true, that it was revealed to the Prophet, but the Quran speaks also to the "amanu" to the "ahlu al-kitab" and to the mankind which has both genders. So let's stick to the facts: If we read the 2:185 we will notice, that the Allah speaks to the mankind and not only to the prophet und men. But suddenly swichtes in 187 to the men? I don't know how you feel but this made me very sceptical, no? Bring me a proof from the Quran, that Allah states, it is specifically for men, please.
@@Habeeby2200 Aren't we already discussing this in peace? Anyway... you are still missing the trees from the woods. Why am I saying this? Because I wrote "...this verse is specifically..." but for some strange reasons you seem to think I was talking about the whole Quran. You are aware that the Quran was revealed in stages over 20+ years, right? Yes, everybody who has read the Quran and understood it is aware that the whole of the Quran is for mankind... but some verses are meant specifically for those mentioned. It is all about CONTEXT. Another point to note is the part where it says in 2:185: ... "So whoever is present this month..." Now if it were meant to be for all mankind for all time, then isn't is already obvious that everybody who is alive during that lunar month the latter day Arabs have conveniently named Ramadan is already present/bear witness to this? So, why would Allah still say this? Unless, of course, it is for those who were present/bear witness to the event, i.e "shahruramadan." All you need to do is to think, ponder and reflect on the verses and the context of the Surahs in which those verses were written. Do you understand what I am trying to say here? But the main point is that I wrote "this verse" [maybe I should have written "particular verse"] but you seem to think I meant the whole Quran. salam.
Thanks for the video Dr Syed. So....can you please summarize what is the bottom line here? Sorry it may be its me but what is your conclusion. Do we stay away from food and drink during fasting/Siyam or not? Abstinence we understand but in the relevant verses where abstinence is advised whether it is during Ramadan, or whether it is to atone for an error, what does it entail? Stay away from food and drink during the day while making sure you behave and follow the teachings of the Quran or what? Thanks in advance.
In the absolute sense Siyam means 'to abstain' and the very purpose of Siyam is to be in prudent fear of God or have God conscientious
So, when do you Siyam: The various instances of the word in The Quran indicate the following:
In various contexts, Siyam is used within the ambit of 'Redemption per various instances of the word in The Quran. For example, when you accidently kill someone you do Siyam, when you break your oath you do Siyam, assisting wives, no hunting, not speaking, etc.
Hence, as a punitive punishments or resolution you either do Siyam for 60 days, 7 days etc., and if can't do then feed the poor etc.
So, it is more closer to "Community Service" being redemption which leads to taqwa (purpose of Siyam)
Since The Quran is clear, in my humble opinion, Siyam is not about abstaining from food and drink for 30 days.
@@QuranAlone
Thanks a lot and have a great day!
@@QuranAlone Dr Syed , with respect to Abstinence during Ramadan something that lingers on in the mind is that if for nights of abstinence intimacy and consumption of food is permitted till dawn, then does that not suggest that starting from dawn to dusk, those observing abstinence must stay away from food and intimacy? Thanks.
@@QuranAlone
Peace!
You said: "So, when do you Siyam: The various instances of the word in The Quran indicate the following:
In various contexts, Siyam is used within the ambit of 'Redemption per various instances of the word in The Quran. For example, when you accidently kill someone you do Siyam, when you break your oath you do Siyam, assisting wives, no hunting, not speaking, etc.
Hence, as a punitive punishments or resolution you either do Siyam for 60 days, 7 days etc., and if can't do then feed the poor etc."
I fully agree. But in 2:185, I do not see any specific instance which tells me what I have to abstain from during a certain number of days during the month of Ramadan. But in the context with 2:187 eating and drinking is mentioned. Could you please elaborate?
Many thanks and peace and regards
Gunnar
@@QuranAlone Agreed
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Probably the most important of 14 is one where ramaDan occurs, and it's 2:185. It's very long ayet and people take it easy. One should ask himself a lot of questions, and maybe most important is what is -hu in fe-l-yaSum-hu فَلْيَصُمْهُ. We can read from the start that it is mentioning šehru-ramaDane and el-Qur'an, but then eš-šehr is mentioned again referencing to šehru-ramaDane and people think that -hu is related to it. But if we really think we can see that ayet is talking about the Qur'an, it's its topic, not about šehru-ramaDane. So, "it" (-hu) in fe-l-yaSum-hu is related to the Qur'an, not to eš-šehr.
Next important questions are "what is šehru-ramaDane" and how one can "witness eš-šehr"? People assume that to witness eš-šehr means "to see a new moon", but is that really the case? And how is the Qur'an (not some of it) revealed in one month, if that's the case? We can see that we got something wrong. If we connect لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ with the start of this same surah el-beqara we can understand that the Qur'an is a tool for لَعَلَّكُمْ تَتَّقُونَ and we should stick to it and we should abstain from all common things we do, for a certain number of days. There're a lot of questions we should think about in order to understand all we were told.
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Your dedication to deriving knowledge solely from the Quran is truly admirable. It's an approach that demands careful contemplation and reflection. I'm curious to know your perspective on 58:11, a verse that presents a unique challenge. If you can shed light on its meaning without referencing external sources, it would be a testament to your commitment. Remember, discussions that encourage us to delve deeper into our beliefs can only enrich our understanding.
Should you find the verse's implication elusive, perhaps it's an opportunity to reevaluate your channel's contents. Challenging ourselves to truly grasp the teachings we advocate is a noble endeavor. Looking forward to your insights!
What does that ayah mean to you?
very useful education, thanks brother .
If it’s not in the Quran to abstain from eating and drinking, then why does it mention to eat and drink until dawn and then fast till night in surah 2:187? I would like to hear your point on this
Kullu Wa Ashrabu... Consume and Imbibe.... it's talking about consuming the revelation - it's all in context. Quran comes down to corrupted city, universal message, those around should engage in SIYAM - abstain from normal daily life to learn the Quran. Keep going brother you keep breaking down the Arabic
@@jadensica1819 The word Ashrabu is used many times to describe the drinking of substances from what I can tell after Allah had given His provisions to His servants. Like the verse with the 12 springs (2:60). I can see both sides being very valid, which is why I’m trying to find the definitive truth
Thank you for your video. I am still confused though if The Quran specifically says we should ‘abstain’ from food and drink during Ramadan or from something else?
The quote below in relation to Ramadan in the Quran specifically mentions food and drink. Can you please help me understand this regarding the quote below:
Do we specifically abstain from food and drink during Ramadan or not?
"(During Ramadan) eat and drink until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread."
Could you make a video about the verses in the Quran about food and if you have to say Bismillah when you slaughter or just when you eat it?
I may have covered this in my other video:
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@@QuranAlone I did watch it yesterday, but I don’t think you mentioned that specific. Would you say it is obligatory to do or no?
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Salam,
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I tend to agree with your conclusion... although you could have also delved into the month the latter day Arabs have named Ramadan to find out if this is indeed the case, i.e. is "ramadan" a lunar month or an event which occured over a certain numbered days during a month?
But coming back to the question you posed as the title: Why do you fast during Ramadan?
My answer would be... the act of going without food & drink during the daytime for the whole lunar month which the latter day Arabs have named Ramadan is entirely a human construct... with promptings from Satan himself, of course!
It is typical of humans to invent a religion by misguiding and abusing the scripture that was revealed to them.
salam
Peace, Shukri Yusof!
You say: "the act of going without food & drink during the daytime for the whole lunar month which the latter day Arabs have named Ramadan is entirely a human construct..."
Well, how do you understand then 2:187, where eating and drinking is mentioned? And by the way, I do not see that the Siyam is connected with the whole lunar month of Ramadan, because 2:195 clearly states, that Siyam is for a certain number of days. According to my knowledge, the Arabic word "معدودات" is understood in Arabic as a period between three and ten days.
Peace and regards
Gunnar
@@gunnar4230 Let us try and understand the verse...
2:187 Permitted for you is intercourse with your wives on the night of the fast. They are a garment for you, and you are a garment for them. God knows that you used to betray yourselves, but He turned to you and pardoned you. So approach them now, and seek what God has ordained for you, and eat and drink until the white streak of dawn can be distinguished from the black streak. Then complete the fast until nightfall. But do not approach them while you are in retreat at the mosques. These are the limits of God, so do not come near them. God thus clarifies His revelations to the people, that they may attain piety.
Please also keep in mind that the Quran is "fully detailed" and that the Quran, among other things, is also a "clear book."
Now what is "fully detailed" and "clearly" explained in 2:187?
1) Permitted for you is intercourse with your wives on the night of the fast. So, this is "clearly" explained and fully detailed, right?
However, does it say the eating of food and drinking fluid is permissible on the night of the fast?
No!
But instead, the Quran uses something that is allegorical/repeated within the Quran... " eat and drink" and it continues with... "until the white streak of dawn can be distinguished from the black streak"
So, why did it not say "night" but instead "until the white streak of dawn can be distinguished from the black streak?"
And, in the next verse it says, "2:188 And (do) not eat your properties among yourselves wrongfully... "
What does that say to you?
Could it be that in the Arabic of the Quran words like ( وَكُلُوا۟ وَٱشْرَبُو ) which is "eat and drink" are not exclusive to "food & drinks?"
Go through the 109 times the word "eat" and 39 times the word "drink" are used in the Quran to get the true context of their usage.
Make your own conclusion... but please remember ONE thing:
17:36 Do not follow what you have no ˹sure˺ knowledge of. Indeed, all will be called to account for ˹their˺ hearing, sight, and intellect.
Hence, if abstaining from "eating food and drinking fluid" is NOT ordained by God , then you are committing the worst of sins!
salam.
@@shukriyusof2104 Peace and many thanks for your detailed reply.
You said: "However, does it say the eating of food and drinking fluid is permissible on the night of the fast?
No!"
It says: Eat and drink! The verbs are in imperative form. So, if Allah orders something to do, then it must be permissible, because Allah would not ask us to do something, what is unlawful.
I agree that the Arabic verbs ( وَكُلُوا۟ وَٱشْرَبُوا ) have different meanings in the Quran. For instance, in 2:188 ... ولا تأكلوا is the meaning "do not usurp". But this meaning makes - in my view - no sense in 2:187. Nevertheless it is very interesting, that ... ولا تأكلوا "do not usurp" in 2:188 follows directly وَكُلُوا۟ وَٱشْرَبُوا in 2:187
You also said: "So, why did it not say "night" but instead "until the white streak of dawn can be distinguished from the black streak?" But the words من الفجر , point to the end of night, i.e. the dawn. However, I see that pondering about the phrase "until the white streak of dawn can be distinguished from the black streak" is useful if not necessary.
Again, many thanks and peace and regards,
Gunnar.
@@gunnar4230 Something you wrote is worth to ponder on... "it says:eat & drink! The verbs are in imperative form. so, if Allah orders something to do... "
Okay, now ask yourself, why would Allah order you to "eat food & drink fluid" when those acts are instinctive?
It would be something else if the verse would have said "do not eat food & drink fluid" in the daytime during the month the latter day Arabs have named Ramadan... because such an order would be clear & precise.
As it is... do the verbs in "eat & drink" mean to "eat food & drink fluid" and taken literally or are they used as metaphors/figuratively?
If you are in doubt please go check the instances when those verbs, eat & drink, are used in the Quran.
Also read 3:7 as one of the guiding principles in our quest to understand the Quran from the Quran itself.
salam.
@@shukriyusof2104 Peace and thanks!
First I like to took as a starting point: The Arabic verb أكل has different meanings - not only in the Quran. I gave one example with 2:188. The fact that أكل has more than only one meaning is always on my mind when I find this word in the Quran. The question is, which meaning fits for the respective context. This includes 2:187.
You ask: "Why would Allah order you to "eat food & drink fluid" when those acts are instinctive?" My answer: Allah does NOT order to "eat and drink" GENERALLY. HE mentions in 2:187 a specific time. I understand from this, that it is allowed to "eat and drink" during a specific time in Ramadan and that it is unlawful to "eat and drink" in the remaining time during Ramadan. And the second point in this connection is the question: Why does Allah mention the subject of women in 2:187 in a detailed manner and just in the middle of this verse comes "eat and drink". How does this go with the whole context - the context of women and Ramadan and limited time?
And concerning the name "Ramadan": According to my knowledge, Ramadan was used as name for a month before the time of the prophet Muhammad, and its meaning points to the season when all is very hot and the autumn rains will start. That time corresponds to September/October. But here also a question arises. We find in 2:185, that in Ramadan the Quran was revealed. Pls note, that Allah does not say "a part of Quran", HE says القرآن / THE Quran. So, what does Ramadan really mean, and what does the Arabic word شهر really mean in this verse? Month? Moon? Full moon?
Finally: I have the feeling that I can learn from you. Are you available and reachable at Facebook/Messenger? I would like to discuss with you this matter in detail, and even other topics related to the Quran - if you are agreed.
Peace and regards,
Gunnar
@QuranAlone Salaam, I have come across your videos recently. I have watched a few, and thank you for covering these subjects. But I was wondering, have you covered polygamy? Also can you explain when it says in the Quran "we", what does this imply. Thank you
Noted. I will cover this topic. Thank you for bringing it up.
Peace, dear brother, and many thanks for your very interesting video which you speak about an important topic in. But I have four questions:
1. I think, that there is a difference in meaning between the two Arabic words صيام siyam and صوم saum. What do you think about this?
2. How do you explain in 2:187 Allahs instruction "... eat and drink until you can discern the white streak of dawn from the blackness of night, then perform your fast until nightfall, ...."? It could be understood, that we should not eat and drink from dawn until nightfall, couldn´t it?
3. What does شهر shahr in 2:185 mean: Moon or month?
4. In 2:184 is mentioned: "أياما معدودات aiyaman ma´doodat" = a certain number of days. According to my knowledge, "معدودات" is understood in Arabic as a period between three and ten days. Do you share this view?
Peace and regards
Gunnar
2. I do not believe 2:187 is eat and drink. I translate it as consume and imbibe. Literally, eat and drink the Qur'an. The entire narrative surrounding physical fasting, moon sighting, no sex in the masjid, and more bizarre anomalies in these verses should reveal there is something very wrong with our traditional understanding of Ramadan
@@jadensica1819 @Jaden Sica @Jaden Sica Peace and many thanks for your feedback!
I fully agree that there is something wrong with the traditional understanding of Ramadan. Your idea "eat and drink the Quran" in seems to me an interesting idea - in general. But what about the context in 2:187? The main subject in this verse is - according to my understanding - the subject of dealing with women. That is clear in the beginning and at the end of this long verse. And just in the middle "eating and drinking" is mentioned. And even it is limited for a certain time of the day. What is the connection between the subject of women and the subject of the time-limited "eating an drinking"? Does it make sense, "to eat and drink the Quran" within a limited period of time only?
Peace and regards,
Gunnar
Can you specify about bank interest & Riba according to Quran please.
It is one of the topics on my list. Thanks.
Dr Syed is Ramadan actually now though, or during the harvest moon? It makes sense too as it's an equinox so equal around the planet, and it's sharing your harvest.
My opinion is that when you start to focus on the lunar month then you are simply, as they say, missing the trees for the forest...
Why are you so hung up on the lunar month when you already have the Quran in your hands?
Think, ponder & reflect on the Quran... every day of the year!
salam.
@@shukriyusof2104 another issue, the Quran's stand on intercalation?
@@astroflyinsights The Quran does NOT support this!
There are 12 months in a year and time/years are determined by both the sun & the moon...
for example... sundials are used to determine the hours in a day but a moondial is ONLY effective to tell time during the full moon.
Also, if you were to study the Quran... the "sun & moon" are almost always mentioned together when calculating time/day/month/season/years. But the moon alone is only good for determining high & low tides and the Hajj. Please take note that the Christian clergy calculate their Easter using both the sun & the moon, but this is NOT in the Quran.
Go read the Quran... everything has been fully explained.
salam.
@@idb.8082 Actually... it is all relevant and inter-connected... because by your understanding of that verse which is:
"... what God has asked from the believers to do on the month [the LUNAR month which the latter day Arabs have named Ramadan] in which the Quran was sent down... "
But it would be more appropriate to say "... from the believers who lived during the period when the Quran was NOT yet revealed in full..."
Alas, we are now in 2022 and the Quran has been revealed in full and we should just read and understand the Quran each & every day of the year... not just during the lunar month which the latter day Arabs have named Ramadan!
After all... do you understand what is "taqwa?" And, more importantly, HOW do you achieve "taqwa?"
Now ask yourself:
How do you become mindful of Allah?
Are you able to only become mindful of Allah when you go without food and drink during the daytime in the lunar month the latter day Arabs have named Ramadan? Or...
Are you ALWAYS able to become mindful of Allah when you read and understand the Quran each and every day of the year?
Any light bulbs get switched on?
salam.
@@idb.8082 You wrote, "... because from your comment I think you were trying to search when is the month... "
R e a l l y?
Where and when did I ever gave you the impression to think that way?
Just to prove a point, please read what I wrote 11 hours before you came up with your conjecture:
... if this is indeed the case, i.e. is "ramadan" a lunar month or an event which occured over a certain numbered days during a month?...
salam.
isnt't is thought provoking that "ayyam e jahelia" we take it as days of darkness in arabic which is not literal days yet we take "shahr ramadan" as literally month of Ramadan.
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Your understanding of Maryam's birth of Jesus differs from other Quranists; they allege she WAS married but her husband was not with her or had touched her for some time. It's all so confusing - I thought all Quranists were supposed to come to one central point of understanding but this is just as confusing as the various sects within Islam
I don’t
Salam
2:187 ahila lakum laylat al-syiam al-rafathu ila nisa'ikum!
Translation word by word: Permitted for you the night "al-syiam" the approach to your wives.
This translation is making absolutely no sense. The syiam is for the mankind and permitted is for the manking to approach to our wives? What about the women? Or is the permission only for men?
It's clear that nisaa doesn't women or wives... Use your sense people of the quran.
It made no sense to you because you failed to understand the context of those verses!
But if you were to understand that the verse was revealed specifically to the MEN who lived during the 20+ years when the Quran was being revealed in stages... then everything would begin to make sense to those who are able to think and use reason.
Go find a quiet corner somewhere and read that verse s l o w l y and try to understand each word and then sit back & take an overview of that period in time... inshaallah you might be guided.
salam.
@@shukriyusof2104 "specifically to the men" 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 bro, please show me the prove from the quran, that it is specifically for men. Please show me, where does Allah say, that this kitab is only for men. 🤦🏻♂️
The Quran is consistent, so every word should be a match and should make a sense.
@@Habeeby2200 The first human to receive the Quran was the messenger/prophet and he was a man, no?
And, at that time, there was more to be revealed. But when it was revealed in stages, it was the messenger/prophet who received the revelation.
Duh!
Is that enough proof for you?
salam.
@@shukriyusof2104 Ok, wait bro. Let us discuss this matter in peace. Ok, it is true, that it was revealed to the Prophet, but the Quran speaks also to the "amanu" to the "ahlu al-kitab" and to the mankind which has both genders. So let's stick to the facts: If we read the 2:185 we will notice, that the Allah speaks to the mankind and not only to the prophet und men. But suddenly swichtes in 187 to the men? I don't know how you feel but this made me very sceptical, no? Bring me a proof from the Quran, that Allah states, it is specifically for men, please.
@@Habeeby2200 Aren't we already discussing this in peace?
Anyway... you are still missing the trees from the woods.
Why am I saying this?
Because I wrote "...this verse is specifically..." but for some strange reasons you seem to think I was talking about the whole Quran.
You are aware that the Quran was revealed in stages over 20+ years, right?
Yes, everybody who has read the Quran and understood it is aware that the whole of the Quran is for mankind... but some verses are meant specifically for those mentioned. It is all about CONTEXT.
Another point to note is the part where it says in 2:185: ... "So whoever is present this month..."
Now if it were meant to be for all mankind for all time, then isn't is already obvious that everybody who is alive during that lunar month the latter day Arabs have conveniently named Ramadan is already present/bear witness to this?
So, why would Allah still say this?
Unless, of course, it is for those who were present/bear witness to the event, i.e "shahruramadan."
All you need to do is to think, ponder and reflect on the verses and the context of the Surahs in which those verses were written.
Do you understand what I am trying to say here?
But the main point is that I wrote "this verse" [maybe I should have written "particular verse"] but you seem to think I meant the whole Quran.
salam.
Salamu alaykum