Hello! I just subscribed, I was curious as to what styles of karate that you've studied. I'm looking to start karate coming from some kick boxing and jiu jitsu. Thank you for the break downs!
Hey thanks for the sub! I’ve been through a gamut of styles but the last 15yrs have been Okinawan karate specifically Shorin Ryu. If you ever have time check out “karate culture” which is another channel I started a while ago, there’s a lot of good content on there as well 👍 Love kickboxing and bjj, I hope you’re able to find a decent karate school, that’s probably the hardest thing nowadays
@@KarateBreakdown Thanks so much for the reply, I was wondering if a self taught route was a legitimate way to go? I have a friend of my family who was a state MMA champion who was encouraging me to go a traditional route. I found an Ishin ryu dojo near me but I feel as though it might me kind of soft, I mean this in the way that when I look at their website the students look out of shape.
My older brother was Taught by a Kyokushin black belt from the netherlands. I had the idea of training from information online with him and stress testing with that MMA friend. Thank you so much for your time!
I think it really depends on what you’re trying to get out of karate, since you have a bjj background you can relate to learning things online. You can definitely get the bulk of technique online but it’s the nuances you can only feel in person that will really allow you to apply it. Definitely stress testing with an MMA friend is probably the best thing you can do, I would say learning any techniques rely on progressive resistance and troubleshooting what went wrong etc. so yea learning online is definitely doable but don’t throw out a technique if it doesn’t work the first time 👍 hope that helps!
There is a book on white crane by martin watts that is hard to come by now but it features a breakdown of the crane family and where it went. So yes karate and wing chun are sister styles. But what's interesting is that the two are a great study in haves and have nots. For instance karate has a lot of the forms, weapons, and training method of the crane school. What they don't have as far as average-student- following-syllabus goes is the central principle and engine of crane. Wing chun does not have the forms, training method or weapons. What they do have is the short power engine, the tactics, and the have the crane two man drills. So it kinda goes to show what happens when you only rely on auditory means to pass a system down. The teacher may show different students different things, forget, not like something, or die before they pass everything down which causes there to be a gap in the core syllabus which needs to be filled by other things. In karates case monk fist and in wing chun, snake.
@@KarateBreakdown no problem. To cite my sources, its a little of me doing both but i'm just a beginner. A lot of it.comes from the jesse enkamp monk fist stuff. And martin watts who was also featured on his channel and on his karate nerd experience videos. And his book is a great resource as ir shows the curriculum of crane, where it went, and which bubishi techniques have an origin in crane.
Wing Chun has several forms. The forms Used to be much longer, far more complex, and required a lot more Space (due to a lot of footwork). However, when Yipman went to teach... he was living in Hong Kong, and he was teaching in his apartment building + rooftop. There was not enough floor space for such forms. Space in HK, was limited, and very expensive... so large schools were likely quite rare. Furthermore... Yipman recognized that the Modern practitioners, would not really have the patience, and or willing to put in the required efforts, to learn and master these long forms. As such, he vastly Simplified the forms down to their base Principle Elements. Yipman also needed to modify the Wooden Dummy. You see... the original dummy didnt have a Framework. It was simply a Log, driven deep into the Dirt. It also didnt have moving limbs. As such, Yipman went to a woodworker, and together they came up with the Portable Framework. The moving arms were also created. Since the arms were now able to SHARE the centerline with the OPS arms... the Dummy form also had to change. You see... since the Original Dummy form was performed on a Static Armed Dummy... when you performed a technique on it... you were unable to move the dummy. As such, you had to use additional footwork... to position yourself at the right places, in line with the dummys limbs... (rather than the dummy limbs aligning with you.. when you strike/move it). I know all of this... because Ive had 3 different Wing Chun teachers... and the last teacher, was from a more Ancient line of Wing Chun, called Hung Fi Yi. I started to learn part of the first form, as well as part of the dummy form. Realize that Wing Chun was not actually invented by a Female... as many may have told you. That story, was a "Cover Story" designed to protect the REAL origins of the art. You see... There were two many Chinese Ethnicities: The Hans, and the Manchus. One of them had gain power and control over China.. and was Treating the other group... extremely Poorly / Abusive. As a result.. the poorly treated group... formed a "Secret Underground Society". They were making plans... to try to take down the Rulers of that Era. Back then... in pre-industrial China... the combat arts were designed to be started as young as 3 years old... and typically took around 15 years to fully learn + fully master. However... the Rebels didnt want to wait that long... As such, they decided to create a simplified artform... that would only take between 5 to 6 years of hardcore training (typically, over 8hrs every single day). To do this... they used the highest level combat technology of that Era.. which was the "Internal Arts" (soft style) methods. A lot of the Technology actually comes from Tai Chi.. and some of the other Internal Arts. This is why Chi Sao, looks and functions very similar to Tai Chi's Push Hand Drills. In fact, the Wing Chun form... has an Internal Development section within it. Its the part of the form that is repeated 3 times in a row. Most people speed through that section... However... its actually mean to be done in Slow Motion. Each arm extension and retraction, should take 60 seconds. At that pace... that section alone.. should take 16 minutes to complete. The rest of the form is done fast / explosive... however... after you have finished the form... you are not supposed to stop. You are supposed to keep repeating the form, so that you end up training the form.. for a minimum of 1 hour long. 1 hour long sessions, are the minimum time it takes, to start to develop SUPERIOR Super Tendon Strength (among many other things, too lengthy to list + explain). Unfortunately, a lot of the Internal Arts practices, have been Lost, due to extreme Ignorance... of modern practitioners / teachers. A lot of Chinese arts practitioners and teachers... dont even know the proper Combat Breathing methods. Modern MMA style Teeth Hissing breath.. is FAR inferior to the Real Deal. Anyway... Things like Grappling (Chi-Na), were removed from the art... because Wing Chun was designed for "Ending" people quickly... rather than being Merciful / Nice. Also, grappling skills took a lot more time to learn... especially since there is so many combinations, and methods. Artistic and or complex movements... were also scrapped. Priority was placed on "Safety First" above all else. Why? Because... if the Rebel fighters did something that was too risky... that could be Countered with a Severe / Lethal Blow... their limited number of fighters could wind up being "ENDED", rapidly. This is one of the reasons why Wing Chun tends to use such a Short Range for its attacks... and why it pushes you to make a Safe-Bridge, then tying up the OPs limbs... before you Strike (so you can hit them... but they can not hit you). This is also why you dont see a formal Workout Routine in Wing Chun. Its missing most of the Typical Chinese combat Foundational training and Exercises. There is almost no Combat Conditioning of the Body (Iron Body), and there is little in the way of Core Strength exercises.. nor Cardio. You can find all of that, in pretty much any other Chinese art... but not Wing Chun. This is because the Rebel fighters that they Recruited.. already had previous Foundational training (and far beyond that), from their training in other artforms. As such, the Wing Chun training, was designed to be added to what these fighters already had learned, and developed. When the Rebels launched their Attacks... they split into 4 main groups.. and all went in different directions. They quickly realized just how Outnumbered that they were... and Eventually.. they were forced to stop fighting.. and went into hiding. According to what I was told... at least two of the rebel groups had re-united during the war... and likely shared some key knowledge through these fighters experiences... which may have caused them to Alter the Original Arts methods. The Original Branch.. never got those changes.. and it stayed hidden for far longer than Yipman's version of the art...
Part 2: Anyway... the surviving Rebels took their knowledge.. and kept training and privately teaching it, to very select and trusted individuals. Somewhere along the line... they decided to create a False Origin Story... so that the Corrupted Officials would not have been able to Trace it back to Rebellion efforts. As otherwise, they all would have eventually been Executed, for the many Lives that they had ended, during the rebellion. Eventually.. China got taken over by the Commies... and during Mao's commie Revolution... they Banned all practice of ANY martial art.. for many over 60 years worth of time. If you were caught, they would have Tortured, and Executed you.. and potentially a generation or two of your family... just to make sure the knowledge was Erased... and the "Message" was clear. The remaining arts practitioners didnt want their arts to vanish... so they practiced them in secret, in the darkest times of the night, and early morning. They risked their lives, teaching only a select few... to keep the technology from vanishing. When the Bans were finally lifted... China had started to enter into the Industrial Age. But even though the bans were lifted.. many Chinese still didnt trust the Govt. As such, many traveled to places like Taiwan, Hong Kong, and many other countries (some had fled well before the Commie revolution.. which is why Chinese arts technology spread to many other places around the world). Yipman himself didnt really seem to want to teach... and didnt start teaching, until very late in his life. He may have chose to do so... because he had a chronic back injury, and the only thing that was giving him any relief, was Opium. He likely needed the money for his Opium addiction / usage. By that time All Chinese arts had degraded quite a bit... as people no longer could spend +8 hrs every single day, to train. They had to get modern jobs.. and were often quite tired after work. As such, Teachers were rarely ever reaching "Masterclass" levels of abilities. Some of the arts methods were also starting to be lost, distorted, and corrupted. Language barriers, were also at play too... as a Chinese teacher may not have been easily able to explain complex things to Foreign Students. Also... Realize that most of these Chinese arts were not merely taught via mere word of mouth. A lot of them, had actual detailed manuals, with text and drawings. Unfortunately, a lot of these ended up being destroyed, in the "Revolution". That said... One of my former teachers told me, that he had witnessed the "Original" Wing Chun book / Manual. I believe he claimed it was in the hands of Moy Yat. I have no idea if it was Authentic, a Scam creation of Moy Yat himself... or written / created by someone else altogether. Heck, for all I know.. My teacher could have made up the story. That said, he seemed to be an Honest, and Genuine person. Finally... Realize that if you want to know the deepest truths... you are likely Not going to find it all in One place anymore. As Ive said, Ive learned several different families / branches of Wing Chun... and they all have some Unique teachings and Methods within them. Some of these methods are superior to others. Some are outright bad / incorrect. And you would never really know... unless you Tested each method, to know for yourself (something that Yipman himself, advocated for. In fact, Yipman had learned from 2 different Wing Chun teachers, himself). A great movie example of this, is in the film: "The Ninth Gate". Im also going to say... that Yipman himself may not have taught all of his Students / Disciples... the same things. You see.. At that time in HK... there were a lot of Gangsters. The Gangsters would often go to Kung Fu schools to learn how to fight... and then use their skills, to harm and bully others. As a result... a lot of teachers likely held back a lot of critical information... as they didnt want such things falling into the hands of such Ill Hearted people. Not only that... But the ruling "Elite"... do not really want high level combat technology, in the hands of the Slave Class Lemmings. As such.. I believe that many arts have been infected, and intentionally Corrupted, internally... to become far less Effective, and far more "Sportized".
@@johndough8115the "simplified" three forms originated before Yip Man left for Hong Kong. You see versions of it in Yuen Kay Shan and Pan Nam's lineages.
Agreed the best defense is an overwhelming violent offense, also just have to consider what a “real fight” is. Are you being tackled from behind by 3 assailants in the dark? In that cause you gotta develop some touch sensitivity to stay alive defensively before you can go on offense
i am a kyokushin practitioner, and in case you don't know, Oyama himself in the early 1990s was concerned about the absence of self-defense exercises in modern kyokushin.
@@MMASurvivor38 You are too Ignorant of Chinese arts. For One thing... ALL Karate originated from White Crane Kung Fu. Some Japanese men were traveling through China... when they saw the Chinese practicing it.. and they asked if they could learn it too. Its uncertain to how much time they spent training in it... to what degree they reached.. And if the Chinese held certain things back from them. Eventually they took the technology back to Japan... where they originally called it "China Hand". However, as time went on.. the Japanese renamed it to "Empty Hand" (which is basically what Karate translates into). As for the Effectiveness of an Art... It largely depends on the actual Students level of Training Hours, and the Intensity of the Training Efforts. I used to train, mainly in Wing Chun... for between 4 to + 8hrs every single day. I maintained this pace and intensity, for a solid 5 years, before easing up. I also cross trained in other arts methods.. including Muay Thai / Karate / TKD kicks, Western Boxing Strikes, Shaolin Style Iron Body conditioning, Some Tai Chi / Internal Arts methods, and much more. I also used to spar heavy / full contact against the local schools best fighters... on a regular basis. And being I was only 150 lbs... I used to end up fighting against dudes that were often almost double my own mass and strength class. I think it was my 3rd year in... when I went to a Kyokushin Karate school. They also had an Aikido teacher there too. I got to spar against most of their students, including their Teacher... When I was sparring against the teacher... I was lighting him up pretty good. I was shocked at how he kept his arms up so high... leaving him wide opened to many attacks. He would later tell me, that it was due to their competitions.. as otherwise they would get Knocked out by kicks to the head. Anyway... I threw a Toe-Stabbing kick to the guys inner thigh muscle.. and it caused him to be temporarily unable to move. As such, I stepped in with a flurry of handstrikes. Afterwards.. he was so stunned and impressed, that he stopped sparring... and asked me what that technique was, and what it was called. He said that it felt like a severe cramp / charlie horse... and he wasnt able to move for a bit. He asked me if I would help Teach his students some Wing Chun... likely to give his students great advantages in their Competitions. That said... he told me about him meeting up with some other very impressive Chinese arts artists... revealing that he was a very Open minded kind of guy. I probably should have helped... as I would have gotten quite a bit more public exposure.. but I was way too busy at that time.. and he only offered me an Exchange of Knowledge, rather than cash. Anyway... I have had little problems fighting against non Chinese arts artists... using Only Wing Chun methods. I far outclassed any of the fighters that I went up against. This includes fighters from: MMA, Muay Thai, JKD, Karate (various kinds), TKD, Kook Sul Wan, Capoeira, Aikido, and more. I also ran into a few of the more Rare Chinese arts, such as: Mantis, Wu Dang, 5 Animal Style, Shaolin Longfist, Eagle Claw, Tai Chi, Monkey, and a few others. I can tell you... that some of the most Brutal and Challenging fighters that Ive ever sparred against... always had some Chinese arts training under them. It wasnt even Close. The differences were night and day level differences. Of course, I happen to live in a City that values martial arts a lot more than most... so we have a lot of different arts styles here... and a lot of Hardcore practitioners. Of course... not every Chinese arts practitioner, was good. Some that I ran into, were clueless, and inept. But again... that has nothing to do with the Technology.. and everything to do with the Poor quality + Lazy students.
Firstly... All combat arts have both Offensive and Defensive movements, within them. With Wing Chun in particular... the same arm tech that deflects an attack, is also a cutting tool, and can also be used as an Attack. Next... The choice to use soft methods (which are more Defensive in nature), often depends on the Mass and Strength differences. If you are 150 lbs.. and are fighting a 250 lb muscular beast of a man... you cant use Hard Force against their Hard Force... or you will just be Stonewalled, and Injured yourself. This is why the Soft Arts methods were created. Its easy to Push, punch, and or Kick, a heavy file cabinet... for example. However, what happens when you try to punch or kick a thin and extremely flexible branch? It bends, absorbs, and flows with the attack... and it remains unharmed... despite your most powerful of efforts.. When such a strong OP tried a rigid and strong attack... I can use a similar flexible and flowing arm tech... to absorb and redirect them.. with almost no effort at all.. and no Clashing effects to my own body / structure. At that point, they are still moving.. unable to stop their momentum.. and Im counter-striking them... adding their own vectored energy to MY own mass impact energy... multiplying the Impact Damage potentials. Furthermore... while Wing Chun can be used in a purely aggressive way (stepping in fast and first)... Its often FAR better to wait for the OP to come to you. Why? For one thing... the person that steps toward you... is at greatest risk of getting their lead leg swept, or in Wing Chun's case... Oblique Kicking their Kneecap... and ending the fight instantly. Think about it this way... There are a group of Soldiers going to war. A few older and more experienced soldiers... and one Young New soldier.. with no real combat experience. The Young soldier is Gung Ho... and rushes down the center of the open field.. directly into enemy territory.. guns Blazing... and gets Sniped in the head, almost immediately. However... the Experienced combat fighters... are cautious, stealthy, and take their time. As a result.. the old guys end up winning the ground, pushing back the enemies, without suffering damages themselves. The young dude, had too much Ego, Pride, and Ignorance... which is ultimately what got him Ended. The point being.. is that you should always Fight SMARTER, rather than merely Faster / Harder. You see the same things in Boxing matches all the time. One guy rushes with a flurry of strikes... only to have the other bob and weave, then counterstrike him into a quick Knockout. One could say that the original methods of the boxer.. was initially Defensive... and that would be true. However, that defense quickly turned into Offense... and ultimately won the Fight.
Thanks for the comment, training is a process ranging from compliant drills up to hard sparring 👍 these short clips of basic drills give a glimpse into the process, hopefully that helps clarify things. Take care 🙏
you know nothing man a real wing chun master can break your arms in a second but of course for demonstration purposes it will look lame for someone like you
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No, thank you! Thanks for watching 👍
Hello! I just subscribed, I was curious as to what styles of karate that you've studied. I'm looking to start karate coming from some kick boxing and jiu jitsu. Thank you for the break downs!
Hey thanks for the sub! I’ve been through a gamut of styles but the last 15yrs have been Okinawan karate specifically Shorin Ryu. If you ever have time check out “karate culture” which is another channel I started a while ago, there’s a lot of good content on there as well 👍
Love kickboxing and bjj, I hope you’re able to find a decent karate school, that’s probably the hardest thing nowadays
@@KarateBreakdown Thanks so much for the reply, I was wondering if a self taught route was a legitimate way to go? I have a friend of my family who was a state MMA champion who was encouraging me to go a traditional route. I found an Ishin ryu dojo near me but I feel as though it might me kind of soft, I mean this in the way that when I look at their website the students look out of shape.
My older brother was Taught by a Kyokushin black belt from the netherlands. I had the idea of training from information online with him and stress testing with that MMA friend. Thank you so much for your time!
I think it really depends on what you’re trying to get out of karate, since you have a bjj background you can relate to learning things online. You can definitely get the bulk of technique online but it’s the nuances you can only feel in person that will really allow you to apply it. Definitely stress testing with an MMA friend is probably the best thing you can do, I would say learning any techniques rely on progressive resistance and troubleshooting what went wrong etc. so yea learning online is definitely doable but don’t throw out a technique if it doesn’t work the first time 👍 hope that helps!
@@KarateBreakdown That helps immensely! Thank you so much. I will definitely be commenting on future videos!
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There is a book on white crane by martin watts that is hard to come by now but it features a breakdown of the crane family and where it went. So yes karate and wing chun are sister styles.
But what's interesting is that the two are a great study in haves and have nots.
For instance karate has a lot of the forms, weapons, and training method of the crane school. What they don't have as far as average-student- following-syllabus goes is the central principle and engine of crane.
Wing chun does not have the forms, training method or weapons. What they do have is the short power engine, the tactics, and the have the crane two man drills.
So it kinda goes to show what happens when you only rely on auditory means to pass a system down.
The teacher may show different students different things, forget, not like something, or die before they pass everything down which causes there to be a gap in the core syllabus which needs to be filled by other things.
In karates case monk fist and in wing chun, snake.
Wow thanks for the insight on how the two styles are related 🙏 it’s true so much was lost before video and documentation of lessons.
@@KarateBreakdown no problem. To cite my sources, its a little of me doing both but i'm just a beginner. A lot of it.comes from the jesse enkamp monk fist stuff.
And martin watts who was also featured on his channel and on his karate nerd experience videos.
And his book is a great resource as ir shows the curriculum of crane, where it went, and which bubishi techniques have an origin in crane.
Wing Chun has several forms. The forms Used to be much longer, far more complex, and required a lot more Space (due to a lot of footwork). However, when Yipman went to teach... he was living in Hong Kong, and he was teaching in his apartment building + rooftop. There was not enough floor space for such forms. Space in HK, was limited, and very expensive... so large schools were likely quite rare. Furthermore...
Yipman recognized that the Modern practitioners, would not really have the patience, and or willing to put in the required efforts, to learn and master these long forms. As such, he vastly Simplified the forms down to their base Principle Elements.
Yipman also needed to modify the Wooden Dummy. You see... the original dummy didnt have a Framework. It was simply a Log, driven deep into the Dirt. It also didnt have moving limbs. As such, Yipman went to a woodworker, and together they came up with the Portable Framework. The moving arms were also created. Since the arms were now able to SHARE the centerline with the OPS arms... the Dummy form also had to change. You see... since the Original Dummy form was performed on a Static Armed Dummy... when you performed a technique on it... you were unable to move the dummy. As such, you had to use additional footwork... to position yourself at the right places, in line with the dummys limbs... (rather than the dummy limbs aligning with you.. when you strike/move it).
I know all of this... because Ive had 3 different Wing Chun teachers... and the last teacher, was from a more Ancient line of Wing Chun, called Hung Fi Yi. I started to learn part of the first form, as well as part of the dummy form.
Realize that Wing Chun was not actually invented by a Female... as many may have told you. That story, was a "Cover Story" designed to protect the REAL origins of the art. You see... There were two many Chinese Ethnicities: The Hans, and the Manchus. One of them had gain power and control over China.. and was Treating the other group... extremely Poorly / Abusive. As a result.. the poorly treated group... formed a "Secret Underground Society". They were making plans... to try to take down the Rulers of that Era. Back then... in pre-industrial China... the combat arts were designed to be started as young as 3 years old... and typically took around 15 years to fully learn + fully master. However... the Rebels didnt want to wait that long...
As such, they decided to create a simplified artform... that would only take between 5 to 6 years of hardcore training (typically, over 8hrs every single day). To do this... they used the highest level combat technology of that Era.. which was the "Internal Arts" (soft style) methods. A lot of the Technology actually comes from Tai Chi.. and some of the other Internal Arts. This is why Chi Sao, looks and functions very similar to Tai Chi's Push Hand Drills. In fact, the Wing Chun form... has an Internal Development section within it. Its the part of the form that is repeated 3 times in a row. Most people speed through that section... However... its actually mean to be done in Slow Motion. Each arm extension and retraction, should take 60 seconds. At that pace... that section alone.. should take 16 minutes to complete. The rest of the form is done fast / explosive... however... after you have finished the form... you are not supposed to stop. You are supposed to keep repeating the form, so that you end up training the form.. for a minimum of 1 hour long. 1 hour long sessions, are the minimum time it takes, to start to develop SUPERIOR Super Tendon Strength (among many other things, too lengthy to list + explain).
Unfortunately, a lot of the Internal Arts practices, have been Lost, due to extreme Ignorance... of modern practitioners / teachers. A lot of Chinese arts practitioners and teachers... dont even know the proper Combat Breathing methods. Modern MMA style Teeth Hissing breath.. is FAR inferior to the Real Deal.
Anyway... Things like Grappling (Chi-Na), were removed from the art... because Wing Chun was designed for "Ending" people quickly... rather than being Merciful / Nice. Also, grappling skills took a lot more time to learn... especially since there is so many combinations, and methods. Artistic and or complex movements... were also scrapped. Priority was placed on "Safety First" above all else. Why? Because... if the Rebel fighters did something that was too risky... that could be Countered with a Severe / Lethal Blow... their limited number of fighters could wind up being "ENDED", rapidly. This is one of the reasons why Wing Chun tends to use such a Short Range for its attacks... and why it pushes you to make a Safe-Bridge, then tying up the OPs limbs... before you Strike (so you can hit them... but they can not hit you).
This is also why you dont see a formal Workout Routine in Wing Chun. Its missing most of the Typical Chinese combat Foundational training and Exercises. There is almost no Combat Conditioning of the Body (Iron Body), and there is little in the way of Core Strength exercises.. nor Cardio. You can find all of that, in pretty much any other Chinese art... but not Wing Chun. This is because the Rebel fighters that they Recruited.. already had previous Foundational training (and far beyond that), from their training in other artforms. As such, the Wing Chun training, was designed to be added to what these fighters already had learned, and developed.
When the Rebels launched their Attacks... they split into 4 main groups.. and all went in different directions. They quickly realized just how Outnumbered that they were... and Eventually.. they were forced to stop fighting.. and went into hiding. According to what I was told... at least two of the rebel groups had re-united during the war... and likely shared some key knowledge through these fighters experiences... which may have caused them to Alter the Original Arts methods. The Original Branch.. never got those changes.. and it stayed hidden for far longer than Yipman's version of the art...
Part 2: Anyway... the surviving Rebels took their knowledge.. and kept training and privately teaching it, to very select and trusted individuals. Somewhere along the line... they decided to create a False Origin Story... so that the Corrupted Officials would not have been able to Trace it back to Rebellion efforts. As otherwise, they all would have eventually been Executed, for the many Lives that they had ended, during the rebellion.
Eventually.. China got taken over by the Commies... and during Mao's commie Revolution... they Banned all practice of ANY martial art.. for many over 60 years worth of time. If you were caught, they would have Tortured, and Executed you.. and potentially a generation or two of your family... just to make sure the knowledge was Erased... and the "Message" was clear.
The remaining arts practitioners didnt want their arts to vanish... so they practiced them in secret, in the darkest times of the night, and early morning. They risked their lives, teaching only a select few... to keep the technology from vanishing. When the Bans were finally lifted... China had started to enter into the Industrial Age. But even though the bans were lifted.. many Chinese still didnt trust the Govt. As such, many traveled to places like Taiwan, Hong Kong, and many other countries (some had fled well before the Commie revolution.. which is why Chinese arts technology spread to many other places around the world).
Yipman himself didnt really seem to want to teach... and didnt start teaching, until very late in his life. He may have chose to do so... because he had a chronic back injury, and the only thing that was giving him any relief, was Opium. He likely needed the money for his Opium addiction / usage.
By that time All Chinese arts had degraded quite a bit... as people no longer could spend +8 hrs every single day, to train. They had to get modern jobs.. and were often quite tired after work. As such, Teachers were rarely ever reaching "Masterclass" levels of abilities. Some of the arts methods were also starting to be lost, distorted, and corrupted. Language barriers, were also at play too... as a Chinese teacher may not have been easily able to explain complex things to Foreign Students.
Also... Realize that most of these Chinese arts were not merely taught via mere word of mouth. A lot of them, had actual detailed manuals, with text and drawings. Unfortunately, a lot of these ended up being destroyed, in the "Revolution". That said... One of my former teachers told me, that he had witnessed the "Original" Wing Chun book / Manual. I believe he claimed it was in the hands of Moy Yat. I have no idea if it was Authentic, a Scam creation of Moy Yat himself... or written / created by someone else altogether. Heck, for all I know.. My teacher could have made up the story. That said, he seemed to be an Honest, and Genuine person.
Finally...
Realize that if you want to know the deepest truths... you are likely Not going to find it all in One place anymore. As Ive said, Ive learned several different families / branches of Wing Chun... and they all have some Unique teachings and Methods within them. Some of these methods are superior to others. Some are outright bad / incorrect. And you would never really know... unless you Tested each method, to know for yourself (something that Yipman himself, advocated for. In fact, Yipman had learned from 2 different Wing Chun teachers, himself).
A great movie example of this, is in the film: "The Ninth Gate".
Im also going to say... that Yipman himself may not have taught all of his Students / Disciples... the same things. You see.. At that time in HK... there were a lot of Gangsters. The Gangsters would often go to Kung Fu schools to learn how to fight... and then use their skills, to harm and bully others. As a result... a lot of teachers likely held back a lot of critical information... as they didnt want such things falling into the hands of such Ill Hearted people.
Not only that... But the ruling "Elite"... do not really want high level combat technology, in the hands of the Slave Class Lemmings. As such.. I believe that many arts have been infected, and intentionally Corrupted, internally... to become far less Effective, and far more "Sportized".
@@johndough8115the "simplified" three forms originated before Yip Man left for Hong Kong.
You see versions of it in Yuen Kay Shan and Pan Nam's lineages.
In Real fight there Is not any self defense but only brutal offense, kyokushin karate And hybrid judo all ways.
Agreed the best defense is an overwhelming violent offense, also just have to consider what a “real fight” is. Are you being tackled from behind by 3 assailants in the dark? In that cause you gotta develop some touch sensitivity to stay alive defensively before you can go on offense
i am a kyokushin practitioner, and in case you don't know, Oyama himself in the early 1990s was concerned about the absence of self-defense exercises in modern kyokushin.
@@somosjoao Ok Simple defense maybe Is a usefull, but kung fu mcdojo no.
@@MMASurvivor38 You are too Ignorant of Chinese arts. For One thing... ALL Karate originated from White Crane Kung Fu. Some Japanese men were traveling through China... when they saw the Chinese practicing it.. and they asked if they could learn it too. Its uncertain to how much time they spent training in it... to what degree they reached.. And if the Chinese held certain things back from them. Eventually they took the technology back to Japan... where they originally called it "China Hand". However, as time went on.. the Japanese renamed it to "Empty Hand" (which is basically what Karate translates into).
As for the Effectiveness of an Art... It largely depends on the actual Students level of Training Hours, and the Intensity of the Training Efforts. I used to train, mainly in Wing Chun... for between 4 to + 8hrs every single day. I maintained this pace and intensity, for a solid 5 years, before easing up. I also cross trained in other arts methods.. including Muay Thai / Karate / TKD kicks, Western Boxing Strikes, Shaolin Style Iron Body conditioning, Some Tai Chi / Internal Arts methods, and much more. I also used to spar heavy / full contact against the local schools best fighters... on a regular basis. And being I was only 150 lbs... I used to end up fighting against dudes that were often almost double my own mass and strength class.
I think it was my 3rd year in... when I went to a Kyokushin Karate school. They also had an Aikido teacher there too. I got to spar against most of their students, including their Teacher...
When I was sparring against the teacher... I was lighting him up pretty good. I was shocked at how he kept his arms up so high... leaving him wide opened to many attacks. He would later tell me, that it was due to their competitions.. as otherwise they would get Knocked out by kicks to the head. Anyway... I threw a Toe-Stabbing kick to the guys inner thigh muscle.. and it caused him to be temporarily unable to move. As such, I stepped in with a flurry of handstrikes. Afterwards.. he was so stunned and impressed, that he stopped sparring... and asked me what that technique was, and what it was called. He said that it felt like a severe cramp / charlie horse... and he wasnt able to move for a bit. He asked me if I would help Teach his students some Wing Chun... likely to give his students great advantages in their Competitions. That said... he told me about him meeting up with some other very impressive Chinese arts artists... revealing that he was a very Open minded kind of guy. I probably should have helped... as I would have gotten quite a bit more public exposure.. but I was way too busy at that time.. and he only offered me an Exchange of Knowledge, rather than cash.
Anyway... I have had little problems fighting against non Chinese arts artists... using Only Wing Chun methods. I far outclassed any of the fighters that I went up against. This includes fighters from: MMA, Muay Thai, JKD, Karate (various kinds), TKD, Kook Sul Wan, Capoeira, Aikido, and more. I also ran into a few of the more Rare Chinese arts, such as: Mantis, Wu Dang, 5 Animal Style, Shaolin Longfist, Eagle Claw, Tai Chi, Monkey, and a few others.
I can tell you... that some of the most Brutal and Challenging fighters that Ive ever sparred against... always had some Chinese arts training under them. It wasnt even Close. The differences were night and day level differences. Of course, I happen to live in a City that values martial arts a lot more than most... so we have a lot of different arts styles here... and a lot of Hardcore practitioners. Of course... not every Chinese arts practitioner, was good. Some that I ran into, were clueless, and inept. But again... that has nothing to do with the Technology.. and everything to do with the Poor quality + Lazy students.
Firstly... All combat arts have both Offensive and Defensive movements, within them. With Wing Chun in particular... the same arm tech that deflects an attack, is also a cutting tool, and can also be used as an Attack.
Next... The choice to use soft methods (which are more Defensive in nature), often depends on the Mass and Strength differences. If you are 150 lbs.. and are fighting a 250 lb muscular beast of a man... you cant use Hard Force against their Hard Force... or you will just be Stonewalled, and Injured yourself. This is why the Soft Arts methods were created. Its easy to Push, punch, and or Kick, a heavy file cabinet... for example. However, what happens when you try to punch or kick a thin and extremely flexible branch? It bends, absorbs, and flows with the attack... and it remains unharmed... despite your most powerful of efforts..
When such a strong OP tried a rigid and strong attack... I can use a similar flexible and flowing arm tech... to absorb and redirect them.. with almost no effort at all.. and no Clashing effects to my own body / structure. At that point, they are still moving.. unable to stop their momentum.. and Im counter-striking them... adding their own vectored energy to MY own mass impact energy... multiplying the Impact Damage potentials.
Furthermore... while Wing Chun can be used in a purely aggressive way (stepping in fast and first)... Its often FAR better to wait for the OP to come to you. Why? For one thing... the person that steps toward you... is at greatest risk of getting their lead leg swept, or in Wing Chun's case... Oblique Kicking their Kneecap... and ending the fight instantly.
Think about it this way... There are a group of Soldiers going to war. A few older and more experienced soldiers... and one Young New soldier.. with no real combat experience. The Young soldier is Gung Ho... and rushes down the center of the open field.. directly into enemy territory.. guns Blazing... and gets Sniped in the head, almost immediately. However... the Experienced combat fighters... are cautious, stealthy, and take their time. As a result.. the old guys end up winning the ground, pushing back the enemies, without suffering damages themselves. The young dude, had too much Ego, Pride, and Ignorance... which is ultimately what got him Ended. The point being.. is that you should always Fight SMARTER, rather than merely Faster / Harder.
You see the same things in Boxing matches all the time. One guy rushes with a flurry of strikes... only to have the other bob and weave, then counterstrike him into a quick Knockout. One could say that the original methods of the boxer.. was initially Defensive... and that would be true. However, that defense quickly turned into Offense... and ultimately won the Fight.
..... Bullshieto 101....
for fuck sakes.... 5th grade wrestling is more aggressive than this
Thanks for the comment, training is a process ranging from compliant drills up to hard sparring 👍 these short clips of basic drills give a glimpse into the process, hopefully that helps clarify things. Take care 🙏
you know nothing man a real wing chun master can break your arms in a second but of course for demonstration purposes it will look lame for someone like you
.... and the white guy opponant has to be high as shit.... and unresponsive to any attacks..
.... wtf