Really the peak of the rivalry was from 2003-2007, when it was front and center above almost everything else in sports, plus the teams’ front offices and clubhouses also hated each other during that time. For example, Cashman bought out an entire hotel to prevent the Red Sox from beating them to Jose Contreras, Theo Epstein one-upped him the next year by going to Thanksgiving dinner with Curt Schilling’s family.
What many people tend to forget is that the two seasons that Torre and Cashman were criticized the most were also the two seasons that the two of them did their best and an outstanding job as manager-general manager combo (2005 and 2007). The Yankees looked like they were gonna miss the postseason both seasons, but they were able to turn it around, with signings, making changes in the lineup, all that.
as a Yankee hater I loved when these guys would get the missives & read them. Love Dogs immediate excitement when Mike said what we have is a missive. :)
I think when Mike kept saying "the kid" he was talking about Ervin santana who was a rookie. He came into the game in the 2nd inning when bartolo got hurt.
2004 was NOT Torre's fault. The Yankees had a one-run lead in the ninth inning of Game 4, with the best closer in the history of the game; Then the Yankees had a two-run lead in the eighth inning of Game 5, and opportunities to blow it open to AT LEAST a five-run lead prior to that, but Trot Nixon robbed Matsui (I think) in the sixth. A lot of people forget that play. THEN, A-Rod struck out in the top of the eighth. And then the Tony Clark ground-rule double in the 9th was a bit of bad luck. If it bounces off the wall six inches (or less) lower, the Yankees win Game 5 in regulation. OH and then the Yankees had two on and two out in the bottom of the 9th of Game 6 with an ex-Red Sox player, Clark, at bat, with a full count. ALL of those situations went the Red Sox way, and none of those can be blamed on Torre. Did Torre have a good series that year? No, Francona out-managed him by a lot. But Torre is too easy to blame. Didn't Sheffield go 1-for-17 in the last four games? A-Rod blew opportunity after opportunity the last four games. Too easy to blame Torre. I'm a Boston fan, so I've seen a team of mine be on that side of blowing a three game lead, with the Bruins in 2010 versus the Flyers. Their situation was eerily similar, they had a power play in overtime of Game 4, managed to lose. Then get blown out in Game 5 with the Flyers starting goalie getting hurt. Then the backup almost shut them out in Game 6. Then Game 7 happened, and was a microcosm of the series. 3-0 lead, lost 4-3 ... in the game and the series. And a lot of people wanted Claude Julien fired after that. But he wasn't. The Bruins retooled, got tougher, came back the next year and won the Stanley Cup, wiping out two 2-games-to-none deficits, winning three Game 7's, and smacking the Flyers down in a complete blowout. Had Julien been fired, maybe the Bruins don't win the Cup in 2011. Point is, it's too easy to just blame the coach/manager.
I miss those 2002-2005 days with the Sox Yanks rivalry at its best in YEARS classic Mike and the MAD Dog
The rivalry was gone after 2004. 1978, 1998-2004 were the best years, with 2003 being the peak year
Really the peak of the rivalry was from 2003-2007, when it was front and center above almost everything else in sports, plus the teams’ front offices and clubhouses also hated each other during that time. For example, Cashman bought out an entire hotel to prevent the Red Sox from beating them to Jose Contreras, Theo Epstein one-upped him the next year by going to Thanksgiving dinner with Curt Schilling’s family.
What many people tend to forget is that the two seasons that Torre and Cashman were criticized the most were also the two seasons that the two of them did their best and an outstanding job as manager-general manager combo (2005 and 2007). The Yankees looked like they were gonna miss the postseason both seasons, but they were able to turn it around, with signings, making changes in the lineup, all that.
mad dog: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand, good afternoon everybody!
Mike: eh, shut up!
2005 Division Series and 2006 Division Series were nightmares for Arod.
as a Yankee hater I loved when these guys would get the missives & read them. Love Dogs immediate excitement when Mike said what we have is a missive. :)
"Cashman, probably" and nearly 20 years later, with one championship won on the backs of Jeter, Mo, Andy, and Jorge - Cashman remains! What a disgrace
Yeah , the cashman comment is hilarious. Be the GM in Philly 😂.
That intro at 1:20 ❤😍
I find it funny when he calls Colon "A Kid" damn time flies
I think when Mike kept saying "the kid" he was talking about Ervin santana who was a rookie. He came into the game in the 2nd inning when bartolo got hurt.
Say what you want about these two, but this was the most entertaining sports radio talk show, by far, and no one has come close since.
I love how they figured Cashman would be out...here we are in 2018 lol
Here we are going into 2022
@@SlickMoneyXL He sucks.
@@SlickMoneyXL lmfao
2023 and cashman still has a lifetime contract
Francesa saying that they were a hr or bust team here....18 yrs some things haven't changed at all
Shame on whoever overdubbed the "101.9 FM" garbage.
I agree it takes the feeling away from the intro
Glad I wasn't the only one who thought that!!
I totally miss that intro
1:53 lol mike
Francesa gold here @17:01
The Division Series the Yankees lost from 1995-2007 were just brutal losses = Mariners, Indians, Angels, Angels, Tigers, Indians
Great Mike to Dog ..
"Ahh..shut up."
God they were great
Now we are reduced to Embezzler Carton and Loser Robert's
Roberts
@TL2354 whatever
Same difference
Is Dog kidding? Comparing blowing a 3-0 lead to Boston and blowing game 7 of the 2001 WS to losing to the angels in the ALDS? Really?!
What's the song at the beginning?
Dellin Betansaze The End By the Doors
I. favored Chris over Mike
Torre should've been fired after 2004.....Cashman should be out...period
yes he was...look at game 5.....
Doing what? Gordon shit the bed. They had a horrible pitching staff. Not 1 lefty starter in 2004. Not one
why is cashman still there after a million years its time for him to go he sucks
2004 was NOT Torre's fault. The Yankees had a one-run lead in the ninth inning of Game 4, with the best closer in the history of the game; Then the Yankees had a two-run lead in the eighth inning of Game 5, and opportunities to blow it open to AT LEAST a five-run lead prior to that, but Trot Nixon robbed Matsui (I think) in the sixth. A lot of people forget that play. THEN, A-Rod struck out in the top of the eighth. And then the Tony Clark ground-rule double in the 9th was a bit of bad luck. If it bounces off the wall six inches (or less) lower, the Yankees win Game 5 in regulation. OH and then the Yankees had two on and two out in the bottom of the 9th of Game 6 with an ex-Red Sox player, Clark, at bat, with a full count. ALL of those situations went the Red Sox way, and none of those can be blamed on Torre. Did Torre have a good series that year? No, Francona out-managed him by a lot. But Torre is too easy to blame. Didn't Sheffield go 1-for-17 in the last four games? A-Rod blew opportunity after opportunity the last four games. Too easy to blame Torre.
I'm a Boston fan, so I've seen a team of mine be on that side of blowing a three game lead, with the Bruins in 2010 versus the Flyers. Their situation was eerily similar, they had a power play in overtime of Game 4, managed to lose. Then get blown out in Game 5 with the Flyers starting goalie getting hurt. Then the backup almost shut them out in Game 6. Then Game 7 happened, and was a microcosm of the series. 3-0 lead, lost 4-3 ... in the game and the series. And a lot of people wanted Claude Julien fired after that. But he wasn't. The Bruins retooled, got tougher, came back the next year and won the Stanley Cup, wiping out two 2-games-to-none deficits, winning three Game 7's, and smacking the Flyers down in a complete blowout. Had Julien been fired, maybe the Bruins don't win the Cup in 2011. Point is, it's too easy to just blame the coach/manager.
@@williamkanejr3233 Great comment