The metal frame you mentioned is called an H-frame and the loops on the top sides of the pack slides over the frame, it was mainly used by the infantry troops as it could easily be dumped on the ground when under fire, just snap the waist buckle loose and down she goes "the frame also protected the pack that way" The two straps you thought was for a sleeping pad is actually used as a pull method, as those packs with the frame could get real heavy on long matches the straps was used to pull the pack back up to a higher position on the back. I still have mine, frame and all. Cant really have a battle jacket on and the backpack at the same time as the jacket had packs on the back for storage as well "it was one or the other" We mostly used the 1lt water bottles (times 2) and the nesting cup they slid into in two of the pockets, a double dixie eating set in one of the pockets "very rarely the 2 LT bottle was used" the other pocket we put what ever was deemed necessary to get at fast, normally snacks. As mentioned below we also did not use the chest webbing as in at all.
Hello I bought this on a trip to Pretoria in South Africa, that was in 2015, they had a stack of them at the time with also the metal frame which I did not bother with . I will include a link Take care out there armystores.co.za/
@@ontherunplmr1218 Hi and thanks for replying! I have checked out that website but they dont ship outside south africa from what i have seen. Thanks for the link though! Best wishes Pervert
Your Welcome, are you in the USA ? I have seen a US company selling these plus the chest rig that can go with the pack If I find their name I will let you know Take care out there
@@ontherunplmr1218 Hi again! No i am in sweden, europe but i am on my way to order one of these from a south african company but thanks anyway for advice! Cheers! Pervert.
Yes its interesting but the store I show in the UK in Leicestershire is well worth a visit, if you ever come across " The Pond " ! then a visit to Leicestershire is well worth it, lots of interesting places to visit including the Battle of Bosworth field ( 1485 ) where Richard the Third was killed ( last King to die in Battle ) fast forward 527 years and his body was found under a car park in Leicester, now buried in Leicester Cathedral ! Take care out there
Was issued one of those. Hated it LOL. I think you should try to get the frame though, in all my time I never saw it used without the frame and can imagine loaded up it would be monstrously uncomfortable As a point of interest. On long route-marches we'd place the Battle-Jacket under the top flap with the BJ shoulder straps hooked around the uppermost water-bottle pouches and carry it like that. Never used the chest webbing. Ever. Not once. Oddly enough, the Chest Webbing was the most redundant piece of kit we had and I was in an Airborne unit so not a REMF or QITR. I guess the Chest Webbing came in handy for guys that spent a lot of time in vehicles, which we didn't. I'd love to get one of these and mess around with some upgraded shoulder straps and waist belt from the new ALICE and MOLLE derivative packs.
Thanks for your input and some great information, not sure I will use mine that much for walking because in the most part just day walks with a 30l Rucksac. Yes they had the frame in the store in Pretoria but would have been difficult bring that bit of kit back to the UK . The photo on the channel header is Giants Castle in the Berg wonderful countryside Take care out there
Hey you can still find the packs and the H-frame at SAMS (South African Military Surplus) in Randburg "you have to do delivery costs separately though so i would suggest phoning them after you place the order for that or just do In store pickup" they are obviously not new. The site at times doesn't have them listed so well so just search for h-frame, the packs are normally under the used Sandf section. hope that helps. Oh and battle jackets is there also.
@@witcher1973 Thanks for the info mate. I forgot that it was called the H Frame. When were you in? In the late Eighties in the Bats we definitely used the 2 litre bottles X 4 but then again we route-marched our arses off. Sometimes we'd use additional plastic coke bottles for even more water. (remember when the old 3lt Coke bottles had that black base around the bottom? LOL) Got issued the nesting cup "Firebucket" unfortunately without the 1lt water bottle. We jumped those rucks and they were so heavy that on occasion multiple jumpers rucksacks broke free from their lowering lines and plummeted to the ground.
@@Leec_1972 Hey, i was one of the last... "it all got cancelled while i was still in basic" got held back a year. I was Infantry, did my stint in 61 Mech. I don't think we got issued the 2lt ones at all, yeah i recall those black base bottles. Bats was not far from us while doing basic in Bloem i was up on the hill "the ten steps to hell", cant even imagine having to drop while wearing that sack on my back / front?..not fun. (Almost as fun as having to carry your entire units rifles while on "opfok" because your backpacks left strap broke and you couldn't carry the tow-bar of the rattel due to that mishap while trying to keep the pack from hitting the ground) Spent most of our time in the plains digging trenches and doing maneuvers, in the middle of winter in the freestate. Only thing i really miss is the energy bars from the rat-packs ;-P
@@ontherunplmr1218 Most of us view Ned as a national hero. Take that in….our national hero is an Armed Robber. ;) Australia has always been a very corrupt country and thus the sentiment. This is my 4th time trying to reply to you due to censorship. A lot of us hold the English and Boers close to our heart as essentially we’re all one people…the Germanic People.
I have managed to visit a lot of the Zulu war and Anglo Boer war battle sites, all interesting and moving Spion Kop is the classic example of the waste of life in a war Take care out there
Hello yes you are correct, also there is the chest rig that makes the complete system, I purchased the Rucksack in Pretoria, they had the frame but was not easy for me to bring back to the UK on the aircraft so gave it a miss take care out there
Hey you can still find the packs and the H-frame at SAMS (South African Military Surplus) in Randburg "you have to do delivery costs separately though so i would suggest phoning them after you place the order for that or just do In store pickup" they are obviously not new. The site at times doesn't have them listed so well so just search for h-frame, the packs are normally under the used Sandf section. hope that helps. Oh and battle jackets is there also.
Thanks again, also I would appreciate if you take a look at the SADF Boots video ?? I have posted I purchased these also in Pretoria and I see the company that makes them Dick Whittington boot company who say they are a SADF supplier but seems to be a difference of opinions if these are actual SADF boots ?? interested in your thoughts Take care out there
The metal frame you mentioned is called an H-frame and the loops on the top sides of the pack slides over the frame, it was mainly used by the infantry troops as it could easily be dumped on the ground when under fire, just snap the waist buckle loose and down she goes "the frame also protected the pack that way" The two straps you thought was for a sleeping pad is actually used as a pull method, as those packs with the frame could get real heavy on long matches the straps was used to pull the pack back up to a higher position on the back. I still have mine, frame and all. Cant really have a battle jacket on and the backpack at the same time as the jacket had packs on the back for storage as well "it was one or the other" We mostly used the 1lt water bottles (times 2) and the nesting cup they slid into in two of the pockets, a double dixie eating set in one of the pockets "very rarely the 2 LT bottle was used" the other pocket we put what ever was deemed necessary to get at fast, normally snacks. As mentioned below we also did not use the chest webbing as in at all.
Hello thanks for lots of great information Take care out there
That looks an interesting ruck.. Great for a full weekend camp.. Looking forward to seeing your next video useing it.
Hello that might be a while to much into comfort now to stay in a tent in the pouring rain ! 😀 then again never say never Take care out there
Hi there and thank you for your comments and review of the sadf m83 backpack!
Where did you get ahold of that backpack?
Best wishes
Pervert.
Hello I bought this on a trip to Pretoria in South Africa, that was in 2015, they had a stack of them at the time with also the metal frame which I did not bother with . I will include a link Take care out there
armystores.co.za/
@@ontherunplmr1218 Hi and thanks for replying! I have checked out that website but they dont ship outside south africa from what i have seen. Thanks for the link though!
Best wishes
Pervert
Your Welcome, are you in the USA ? I have seen a US company selling these plus the chest rig that can go with the pack If I find their name I will let you know Take care out there
@@ontherunplmr1218 Hi again!
No i am in sweden, europe but i am on my way to order one of these from a south african company but thanks anyway for advice!
Cheers!
Pervert.
I've bought some surplus from this place online. The prices are still pretty cheap. I'd love to have a wander in the HQ shop in Pretoria.
Yes its interesting but the store I show in the UK in Leicestershire is well worth a visit, if you ever come across " The Pond " ! then a visit to Leicestershire is well worth it, lots of interesting places to visit including the Battle of Bosworth field ( 1485 ) where Richard the Third was killed ( last King to die in Battle ) fast forward 527 years and his body was found under a car park in Leicester, now buried in Leicester Cathedral ! Take care out there
Was issued one of those. Hated it LOL. I think you should try to get the frame though, in all my time I never saw it used without the frame and can imagine loaded up it would be monstrously uncomfortable
As a point of interest. On long route-marches we'd place the Battle-Jacket under the top flap with the BJ shoulder straps hooked around the uppermost water-bottle pouches and carry it like that. Never used the chest webbing. Ever. Not once. Oddly enough, the Chest Webbing was the most redundant piece of kit we had and I was in an Airborne unit so not a REMF or QITR. I guess the Chest Webbing came in handy for guys that spent a lot of time in vehicles, which we didn't.
I'd love to get one of these and mess around with some upgraded shoulder straps and waist belt from the new ALICE and MOLLE derivative packs.
Thanks for your input and some great information, not sure I will use mine that much for walking because in the most part just day walks with a 30l Rucksac. Yes they had the frame in the store in Pretoria but would have been difficult bring that bit of kit back to the UK . The photo on the channel header is Giants Castle in the Berg wonderful countryside Take care out there
@@ontherunplmr1218 Yeah that frame is hectic man! That is a beautiful area I was nearby there last year for a bit of hiking. All the best.
Hey you can still find the packs and the H-frame at SAMS (South African Military Surplus) in Randburg "you have to do delivery costs separately though so i would suggest phoning them after you place the order for that or just do In store pickup" they are obviously not new. The site at times doesn't have them listed so well so just search for h-frame, the packs are normally under the used Sandf section. hope that helps. Oh and battle jackets is there also.
@@witcher1973 Thanks for the info mate. I forgot that it was called the H Frame. When were you in? In the late Eighties in the Bats we definitely used the 2 litre bottles X 4 but then again we route-marched our arses off. Sometimes we'd use additional plastic coke bottles for even more water. (remember when the old 3lt Coke bottles had that black base around the bottom? LOL) Got issued the nesting cup "Firebucket" unfortunately without the 1lt water bottle. We jumped those rucks and they were so heavy that on occasion multiple jumpers rucksacks broke free from their lowering lines and plummeted to the ground.
@@Leec_1972 Hey, i was one of the last... "it all got cancelled while i was still in basic" got held back a year. I was Infantry, did my stint in 61 Mech. I don't think we got issued the 2lt ones at all, yeah i recall those black base bottles. Bats was not far from us while doing basic in Bloem i was up on the hill "the ten steps to hell", cant even imagine having to drop while wearing that sack on my back / front?..not fun. (Almost as fun as having to carry your entire units rifles while on "opfok" because your backpacks left strap broke and you couldn't carry the tow-bar of the rattel due to that mishap while trying to keep the pack from hitting the ground) Spent most of our time in the plains digging trenches and doing maneuvers, in the middle of winter in the freestate. Only thing i really miss is the energy bars from the rat-packs ;-P
I have one, it’s a great ruck. Being in Australia I have the four 2litre SADF water bottles as well. 😂
Thanks for your input, great country Australia, I have some videos on the Channel about Ned Kelly etc Take care out there
@@ontherunplmr1218
Most of us view Ned as a national hero.
Take that in….our national hero is an Armed Robber.
;)
Australia has always been a very corrupt country and thus the sentiment.
This is my 4th time trying to reply to you due to censorship.
A lot of us hold the English and Boers close to our heart as essentially we’re all one people…the Germanic People.
I have managed to visit a lot of the Zulu war and Anglo Boer war battle sites, all interesting and moving
Spion Kop is the classic example of the waste of life in a war Take care out there
@@ontherunplmr1218 you too.
@@W_H_K Hey mate, did you buy the rucksack in Aust? I don't think I've ever seen one here.
Its missing the H-frame which it mounts onto..two loops at the top,and the small buckles on the side..
Hello yes you are correct, also there is the chest rig that makes the complete system, I purchased the Rucksack in Pretoria, they had the frame but was not easy for me to bring back to the UK on the aircraft so gave it a miss take care out there
Hey you can still find the packs and the H-frame at SAMS (South African Military Surplus) in Randburg "you have to do delivery costs separately though so i would suggest phoning them after you place the order for that or just do In store pickup" they are obviously not new. The site at times doesn't have them listed so well so just search for h-frame, the packs are normally under the used Sandf section. hope that helps. Oh and battle jackets is there also.
Thanks again, also I would appreciate if you take a look at the SADF Boots video ?? I have posted I purchased these also in Pretoria and I see the company that makes them Dick Whittington boot company who say they are a SADF supplier but seems to be a difference of opinions if these are actual SADF boots ?? interested in your thoughts Take care out there