Benzo Injury Recovery is REAL! (feat. Dr. Marissa)
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- Опубліковано 9 лис 2023
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Speaking of benzo recovery, I actually got married during my taper of 2mg of Klonopin! It was probably one of the most difficult days but also one of the best days of my life.
When I found your channel I was actually brought to tears of relief. It has been 1.5 years since my last dose of Klonopin and I still struggle with symptoms. Finally hearing medical professionals such as yourselves validate, empathize, and recognize us is what brought that relief. It has been months and months of various doctors telling me there is nothing wrong with me. That it is all in my head. Your channel and other channels such as the Benzodiazepine Information Coalition with D.E Foster and Dr. Christy Huff have given me such hope and reassurance.
Please keep doing what you are doing and thank you for doing it.
I'm proud of you and hope you fully recover ; I sometimes wonder if longer acting Benzos are harder to come-off than their shorter acting cousins . Kinda like how Heroin or Oxy WD is shorter but worse than methadone WD . ???
@@RandomClimbing.I got hurt stopping Klonopin several times. Once while “only” taking it PRN 8-9x/mth. Another was taking it 1mg/day and the last one was while taking 2.25mg/day. It’s not about how much and how long. It can be about how long when it comes to cumulative use and tardive stuff. Most of my stuff erupted 60-120 days off. I believe that happened each time, but it wasn’t as severe, so I didn’t know it was medication injury. I thought the pain was a bad knee. I thought it was structural when it was always neurological pain coming from my injured brain.
I, too, am relieved to have found your channel. The truths can be unpleasant. . . Yet you are validating so many people’s very real experiences. Thank you so much.
@@stephaniebondy3416 The truth ?! most people in benzo land ignore the truth. THey only want to hear what they want to hear.
I’ve done a successful withdrawal from a 30year diazepam dependency.
People NEED to hear the success stories to heal.
I didn’t look at anything online while I taped and im glad I didn’t look because I didn’t focus on any of the symptoms.
I just knew it was all part of the withdrawal/ healing process. Yes it was extremely uncomfortable but - a year on I feel SO ALIVE AND SO GOOD.
This channel has inspired me to now work towards becoming a withdrawal coach- because I KNOW I can help anyone who wants to heal. Mindset is everything.
How long did it take you to really start feeling better?
@@ashleychristie5023 during withdrawal I got little glimpses of how good I’d feel oneday… then after being off them a few months I realised I’d been dreaming a lot more and I’d stopped getting a tremor in my hands… took a really deep breath and felt naturally relaxed. And it just keeps getting better. You will feel better.
@@ashleychristie5023I'm 15 weeks off and feeling great. After a rapid detox ❤
@@ashleychristie5023how are you now?
Interesting to hear Dr. Marissa talk about outcomes from the withdrawal clinic being more reliable than the general psych clinic. As far as videos being optimistic, I have found this channel incredibly uplifting because it validates the foundational problems I see in the current mental health establishment. As a mental health professional myself, I can state with certainty that there is not nearly enough awareness amongst those within this field.
Withdrawing from psych drugs has been for me like opening Pandora's jar. Suddenly I felt overwhelmed with all the evil and hardships of this world. Until now, luckily, I have been able to hang in and cultivate the only antidote against it: hope. Your channel has helped me immensely in this journey. You validated all my excruciating symptoms, you even gave them a name. Hearing all that from a medical doctor has made a huge difference. After showing your videos to my wife, she became much more supportive since she could finally understand what was going on. You gave her hope too. Before that she was confused, since many psychiatrists had told us it was just my depression relapsing. All the interviews made me feel much less alone, especially when the suffering got really bad. You do have great success stories by incredible people like Angie Peacock, Dan Landauer, Chris Paige, Matt Marín. I found out that they all have their own channel and this helped me a lot too. I wish some day I could also help other people in this journey. Please keep up the excellent work! Greetings from Switzerland (still a few days here, then I have to leave the country since I lost my job due to PAWS).
Which medications did you withdraw from?
@@AlfalfaQ Effexor. A psychiatrist "helped" me, but it was way too fast.
Happy to see the positivity surrounding benzo recovery! Would love to see some testimonials of people who have tapered and healed through your practice! 🙂
That’s a great idea!
Please that would help so so much. Starting from 2mg of klonopin and I’m in the pit of it at slightly less than .5mg it would help me so much
Absolutely love this ❤ I’ve been noticing lately symptoms are getting better and when they do come on I’am better equipped to deal with them. Thank you both so much.
It makes a huge impact to hear from someone who went through this saying that you're going to make it.
We don’t hear enough success stories online. Why? Because most people don’t report it. It would be so AWESOME if your channel had these success stories TOO.
Because if truth be known, we do not heal. This is a lie, this stuff is irreversible. ANd if the good doctor would just be honest about this it would be for the better.
@@Pattycakes-hc4pmthat’s horse shit people do it takes a while but it really dose get better hopefully people don’t listen to you
@@Beyond59 You need to do some real research, the information about it being irreversible is out there. Even Ashton and M. Lader mentioned that there is a possibility of this being irreversible. Sorry you drank the Kool Aide.
@@Pattycakes-hc4pm I think your what Jordan Peterson would call a troll demon you just sit at home and spread negativity why should anyone take your opinion over all the doctors opinions and people who over came it despite all odds ?
@@Pattycakes-hc4pmpeople do heal. I have. I was a severe case…. Please don’t take away peoples hope. There’s hope for all people.
It is comforting to hear that it’s most common for the first 3-6 months to be the worst of BIND( benzodiazepine Induced neurological disorder) or aka protracted withdrawal effects!
I’m on month 4 of BIND and it’s been hellish and painful. So it’s been great to hear it only goes up from there no matter how long from there it takes.
THANK YOU FOR MAKING THIS POSITIVE VIDEO. I needed it today for some HOPE.
It’s crazy how the medications people take to get through life ,who you both have seen in the clinical settings of a psych ward for instance, just make life worse! Benzodiazepines being the main one!
Stay strong!
How are you now?
If only I had known about your work when my late partner was struggling with Benzodiazepines and other meds. He went through so much.
Thank you for listening and providing this reassurance. It is so needed. Would also be wonderful to see a video from the two of you about your experience in working with those who have suffered setbacks. Thank you!!
Being younger ( under 50 IMO ) makes coming off 20 + years of everyday Benzo dosing ' at prescribed amounts ' much harder than if one is younger + if you have other health issues from growing older .
Money Def helps being in poverty like me makes coming off Benzos That Much More of a Nightmare + no family support ( or VERY LITTLE ) ! . Thanks for the videos Dr J
I'm trying to come off at 46 /47 it's hard
Try being age 70! And on a fixed income. In a rural area with sun-par health care & zippo mental health care despite being labeled a high opioid abuse area. Still working it though.
@@eleecesanders7342 Stay strong and keep up the fight , I;m truly proud of you .
@@Faffy58 Yea, that's me on SSA Disability (+ they want $26,000 ) back in over-payments back that were not my fault as I gave them all the info they required , See last Sundays 60 minuets segment , if you have time . Stay Strong to you as well , I;m choosing to stay on Xanax , Dr, wants me to change to K-Pin but It makes me want to shoplift small things & also made me make risky decisions when on it from 1997-2001 , then for a stent in 2010 -2011. I do hope to quit someday but now is not the time .
I've been on a higher dose for 15yrs, I'm 55 now! It's scary because I've cold turkeyed and tapered, but I wasn't able to get 100% free. I've decided that THIS TIME, I WILL BECOME FREE. Klonopin served a valid purpose when I was 40, but I want my life back now.
For myself, I've noticed that praying the Rosary daily does help with my withdrawal symptoms. It's a devotion that requires some focus when it's done right, and that's what takes my mind off of the bad waves. It costs nothing but 20 - 30 minutes per day, and it has a soothing, healing effect on my body, mind, and soul.
For those who are spiritual or religious, try to cultivate a daily prayer or meditation practice. It's still gonna get rough, but prayer certainly never hurts JMO.
Coming up on 12 months off after a 3 year klon taper. Still very symptomatic, but hoping for the best. I was on 0.5mg for about 10 years including taper. Tolerance was awful! I was chasing mystery illnesses for 3-4 years - finally realized it was the med.
❤️ Me too! I was going to specialist, I had all of these generalized symptoms but no answer’s. I was diagnosed with fibromyalgia 2 year’s ago. Since I started my taper 6 month’s ago the pain has stopped. My chronic fatigue has gotten better also. I. Have been on klonopin for 20 year’s. How long have I been going through tolerance withdrawal?
Me three. Same thing, was on Klonopin for 20 years and been off for 13 mths. I had terrible tolerance withdrawal for the last 10 yrs. Had no idea what was wrong with me. Diagnosed with Fibromyalgia also about 13 yrs ago. During my horrible 6 mth taper I realized I didn't have all the wide spread pain I used to. Found out all the other symptoms are benzo related.
Tried too many ad's and anti psychotics chasing my "mental health mysteries". A car accident got me on these meds and even opioids. But benzos kept me ill for yrs and ruined my life. Yes, I'm still suffering. I'm sending up a pray for all fellow sufferers tonight, hang in there. 🩷💛
Dear Dr. I truly can't thank you enough for this video. I'm on a horrible, horrible adventure of getting off atavan. Your video is so encouraging!!! This benzo nightmare needs more people like you!!! THANK YOU 👍
I really admire you guys for bringing awareness to this problem & helping people recover their lives in a meaningful way. Great conversation!
Currently trying to come off Xanax... It is been 3 yrs...this video helped... I feel so stuck these last 3 months i havent left my house.. i haven't driven my car😔 i feel so sad but i have some type of hope... My dr is cross tapering me to valium.. so I'm hoping i will be ok 🙏🏻
Feel so sad for what some of us have gone through I’m sorry I forced myself to drive today my heart is pounding don’t give up hope 🫶🤗🙏
Praying for you-keep us posted on how it goes
@@irishgirl1753 not giving up on glad u drove
@@chelseakronewitter thank you sadly my body had a bad reaction to valium
Dang :( So what're they going to do for you now?@@Itslorena_618
I am sharing this still with my Buddies on the forum 😊 Thank you!!!
Thank you so much for this positive video. We really need more.
Great job, guys! You make a wonderful team together ❤️ Thank you on behalf on many others, I'm sure! We are sharing this content with others so they can become educated as well!
Absolutely great episodes.
Thankyou for the truth .
Your show's tell the truth it's uplifting and stops us feeling alone.
Great video. Thank you for making this. Could you do a video about your experience working with people going through antidepressant withdrawal?
You two do a great service and speak a lot of truth
Thank you for this. I have multiple sclerosis, pmdd, a panic disorder and THIS. The benzo injuries I’m accumulating bc I’m already chronically ill? Too fkn many. I’ve gone a year and I’m back in my wheelchair. Im doing my best but- fk. Thank you.🧡
i'm so sorry. i feel your pain & frustration. It's just so wrong. I'll never understand.
Hang in there (but that;s easy for me to say ) Tho I truly mean it .
So nice to hear a positive outcome in these cases. I still feel awful for those who’ve gone through it, but thank God for the angels who help along the way. 🙏🏻👏
Great, uplifting video
This is the first time I have heard doctor’s talk about the realities of benzodiazepine taper. What to expect while our brains heal. The time line. Everytime I talk with my psychiatrist he has no answer’s because he really doesn’t know. He is being really patient with my tapering. The last .75 klonopin has been difficult to come off of. I think I’m going to take a leave of absence from my job because this is getting to difficult to perform my job during the worst part of withdrawal.
Enjoy your information. Someone replied about your new web program... "you can't afford it" . That crushed me.
Yep can't afford unless your rich, so much for getting help at lower income. Sad
How much does it cost
How do you help someone with suicidality ?? They know it's not 'them' but it's just 'there' and is terrifying.
Those are intrusive thoughts not the persons fault .. when one realizes they aren’t my thoughts you can over come them. And they become less and less. I’ve dealt with it since I was 13 years old. I am 55 now. Plus prayer I know how God sees me and that’s been a life changing experience. ❤
Start antidepressants
@@AlfalfaQ antidepressants will make you commit it .. that’s not the answer.. therapy , prayer , changing your thinking when the thoughts come … anything but meditation..
Sometimes antidepressants or antidepressant withdrawal can induce strong urges for suicide that are very intrusive and difficult to resist. I have a family member who experienced this - it stopped about 1-year after stopping the drugs. We found that distraction (watching videos etc) was the best way to get through it.
I think you mean "anything but medication." @@valeriefromoregon
Please! More success benzo recovery stories!! What people do to help them succeed and recover.
You two are adorable together. Thank you for these helpful videos.
Dr Josef, my sister (78) has been addicted to Benzos for at least 35 years. She also battled alcoholism for at least 30 -40 years, but has reached sobriety, thank goodness. She is having severe personality disorder w/raging anger and hostility and is very disturbed all of the time. She also sleeps for many hours during the day. I don’t know how to judge where she is with tapering off, if she’s trying to do it at all, because she has never shared her Benzo addiction with me (her son told me about her “secret”). She is very difficult to deal with, often just plain mean and antagonistic. We live 2700 miles apart and I haven’t seen her in 3 years. She has also become a hoarder. We talk on the phone several times a week. What can I do to encourage her??
Awesome conversation! We do heal!
Yah, no, think again. You will find out.
Excellent video.
Could you do a video on the pros and cons of reinstatement? It is often advised, to reduce symptoms after a too fast taper, but I'm aware that it can be a very risky strategy, with it causing some people to crash.
Thanks so much for your chat. But what about the rapid/cold turkey. Do they get there?! ❤
Yes we get better ❤️🩹 I was ctd several times poly drugged floxed im better ❤
@@Filthycoffin Wow. Thanks for sharing.
Do you have your story somewhere? That is so hopeful that even someone who went through all of that can heal!! So happy for you!@@Filthycoffin
We need more videos like this thank you thank you thank you
I just randomly came across this.. I had came off my klonapin a few times due to things outta my control. I experienced brain zaps, wierd feelings over my body, hearing my heart beat, so super aware of everything & sounds, feeling somewhat paranoid, uncomfortable in my skin, mental & physical issues that I cant exactly list but I remember the overall AWFUL feeling. Oh and awful anxiety. I als would feel like I may have a heart attack & heavy chest.
I never told my doctors bc I didn't think they'd believe me.
My recent doctor started tapering me after a 6 year run this time & I got down to 0.5mg once a day. I could handle it but I knew the next month I was only getting 0.25mg once a day & started getting terrified that if I didn't find a new doctor to prescribe it, I'd be dealing with that again.
I had began believing that the klonapin was actually helping some kind of ailment that I didn't even realize I had yet... or it was helping my heart bc I have a moderately leaky, tricuspid valve from endocarditis. I'm a recovering addict & young for a leaky valve. I just turned 39.
So now I'm guessing I was experiencing Benzo injury or protracted withdrawal?
I do feel more emotions when not on it. It has def muted me & it bothers me for my son. He should know his mom's true self but it's scary to stop taking. I did find another doc & only went up to 0.5mg twice a day. I was on 4mg daily for a few years. So I'm keeping the dose low this time. I mainly use it for sleep but also anxiety.
Comment for the algorithm. Great work.
Thanks for talking about protracted. Im 30 months off. Not healed yet
Love this 😊
I had a year and a half of it and I thought it would never go away. But it does
Did it go gradually? Or did you pretty suddenly turn a corner?
Do some patients give up the benzos without having protracted withdrawal?
Yes.
Quitte a large amount have minimal withdrawal symptoms during opioid or benzo withdrawal. Half of people can quit antipsychotics but the other half get all kind of withdrawal symptoms
I think 10 to 25% develop protracted withdrawal
@@AlfalfaQ where did you find that number?
Thanks
It’s called Windows and Waves…that party with Time ;-)
What about muscle issues instead of mental issues?
If I were to take 1/4 of a Diane would it make my withdrawal start from the beginning again?
Can u make video when ashton said " physicial can me permanent'.
Does it get worse at just after 2 months??? I’ve got the most severe dizziness and can’t feel the ground beneath my feet. My joints feel like they are all floating. I thought it was physical symptoms of depersonalisation, but now not so sure. I can’t plan anything in my life and have to keep cancelling everything cos my withdrawals are so extreme.
How are you doing now! Are u getting better?
I am on year 13, doing a lot better but still very much in it. Still hoping to get better 🤞
You’ve been completely off for 13 years and are still struggling?? I am so sorry 😣
@@Itskate12345_ I appreciate your kindness🙂 Yes, I'm 13 years off but I keep making progress.
Why am i still so sick at 2 years off. I was feeling better and now im worse then acute.
Sorry, its non-linear. This is common. Also you can have setbacks from other medications.
what about people with mold or Lyme disease ? i have a friend with both was off her benzo for almost 5 years before getting reinstated in the hospital from have a bad reaction to mold medication...... she never healed still suffer really badly she has MCAS she has reactions to even water sometimes ....... still has the mold still has Lyme and one of the worst and rarest symptoms ive ever seen after being in groups and communities for over a decade myself .... ive only ever came across her and 2 other with this Electromagnetic hypersensitivity ........ it has some thing to do with the gated calcium channels in the brain and the benzodiazepine caused it ..... her mom called your office ..... but you guys dont do inpatient which is fine but this girl really needs your help ? can you help her ? i also believe her mom said you guys are booked out months in advanced ?
Please we need success stories. It give us hope
I’m assuming this applies to ssri withdrawal too
Benzo withdrawal is much worse.
@@lisasmith814not for all. For many antidepressant withdrawal is worse than benzo withdrawal. It depends on the person. For example tricyclic antidepressants are often as painful as benzos for many and cause severe withdrawal symptoms. I’ve lived it. It can all be bad but we do heal.
Yes it does!
Why is it bad? If someone takes one before bed..it’s the end of the world because why? Because so many people abuse them? A lot of things are not good for us and we abuse a lot of things ..but sometimes we don’t abuse something because it helps us and because we’ve been through the stupidity of overdoing it and taking too many and remember how awful it was and don’t ever want to be in that space again and we’ve learned after years that sleep is always going to be an issue. How long does a person have to live sleepless before someone will accept the fact that some people simply have issues with sleep. What if they don’t need to get better because no matter what sleep is always very difficult..5 years of struggling to sleep to me is ridiculous and that’s what medication is for. The problem with medication is that people want a pill for everything they want a beer and it’s ok a glass of wine is fine people can can’t take a pill for something like debilitating pain from a really bad accident that left them somewhat disabled? Taking medication for blood pressure is ok it’s necessary right but sleep isn’t or mental illness isn’t something seen as necessary? People shouldn’t use it as a crutch …isn’t that what doctors are for ..to make sure that when someone is feeling better that they can readdress their condition and medication. I think that people know what makes them feel better..I don’t think tapping is helpful for me at all..but if I lie down and rock like a mother rocking her baby to sleep I feel better ..I don’t feel like my body is vibrating but a people have a happy feeling that doesn’t last when they first stop taking drugs or medication…it levels out..and that is something that should be told because when the bursting with life feeling fades people then have to learn to live life without using medication or drugs..not all a people with issues abuse medication tho and I think people with mental issues are sick of people looked at like drug addicts that never needed medication and were just lazy and not coping..it’s offensive to some people. Nice save asshole ..experts aren’t needed 🙄experts should be experts tho and if you’ve never experienced something can you be an expert if you don’t listen to your patients and use critical thinking as opposed to what is now taught to everyone…by the book ..no customized care..the doctor barely listens or listens and says to everyone that they should diet exercise and all the healthy things everyone should do ..when those things are not enough then what..some people have issues that aren’t mental health related they may be trauma related …same thing they should tap on something …if I hear tapping one more time 🙄I have read so many sleep books and anxiety books …they don’t help ..actually sleeping helps but it doesn’t always happen because I can’t always control what’s occurring in my life or the lives of people I care about. People are annoying with the everything is bad ..anything can be bad that doesn’t mean it is ..if you’re responsible. People with mental health issues can also be responsible..
THE DAMAGETHEY INFLICT ON PATIENTS IS UNSPEAKABLE AND UNFATHOMABLE. THERE ARE MANY OUTCOMES, DR. JOSEF, THAT YOU APPARENTLY ARE UNAWARE OF!
He is correct. I was an impossible and severe case. Tried on over 25+ drugs in two years, cold turkeyed off the last six I was on(klonopin was one). Reinstated and it saved my life, I’ve slowly tapered and healing is possible.
We have got to stop allowing withdrawal groups to hurt patients further. I saw so much damage being caused in groups that made people as guilty as the drs who created iatrogenic illness in the first place.
There is always hope. I’ve lived it. Many who help people off this crap have. So let’s stop lying to people telling them there’s zero hope because we’ve experienced hell. There’s always healing and anyone can have it. It takes time and finding a good dr (yes they do exist)
A majority of people will be fine in a couple years, but like Dr. Shipko said about antidepressants. I think it’s about whether you develope tardive symptoms like akathisia or dystonia. The prognosis isn’t as good for those that do. My akathisia preceded my benzo, but the benzo masked and aggravated it and made it explode when I removed it. My akathisia has also reoccurred throughout my life and each time it has been harder to make it go away. My experience is that antibiotics during a sickness or pain meds during an injury were enough to make it reoccur. Akathisia is a gift that keeps on giving. People who get it should do everything in their power to never get it again. I seemed to get injured much more quickly over time.
I know all kinds of people who have had akathisia & recoverd. Most benzo coaches had it too & recoverd. I've been in this community almost 5 years & I see people get strong enough to go back & live life & leave all this behind. They were all able to take antibiotics years after they recovered, but yes they are cautious & only take them in very serious situations, & NEVER take a fluoroquinolone. Years later one may get some restless less or a little wavy if they need surgery or an antibiotic, but it is short lived. You have to be cautious. You can't just run out & get on an antibiotic every time you get a urinary tract infection etc. You need to do a urine sample C & S & see that pathogen before even considering taking an antibiotic. But, being in the groups many ran out taking this & that without hesitating & they may run into trouble, they may not. Protect your CNS for the rest of your life and use all other measures to fight a bacterial infection first. I'm still wavy here & there but every 6 months I get better & better & better & I'm able to do more & more. We all have to put the time in. Thankfully, now there are coaches that cater to the protracted (Angela Peacock) versus groups that treat them like an outcast (benzobuddies) & we have more & more resources for support during our journey. The number of support resources have increased even in the last 2 years. It's not just Dr Jenn Leigh, Baylissa, David Powers & Michael Priebe anymore. They all have free help too. Videos & online groups on social media platforms etc. 10 years off Dr Jenn Leigh took an antibiotic for dental work & she's done that a few times & she handled it with flying colors, & her journey was rough & long... but she's recoverd & flourishing. She's just one of MANY.
@@idesigncutethings2196 you clearly have not spent enough time in Living with Akathisia. There is a reason Aimee named the group “Living with” and not “Recovering from”. There are different levels to akathisia. The head of the Akathisia Alliance has been suffering over a decade. I know people suffering 27 years off. Ask Amiee if Josh is better. She still worries he’ll be there the next day and he’s been off since 2013. Angela doesn’t know what she is talking about. She’s catering to the benzo injured betting on the odds that people will get better. Chris Paige just lost Laura. Ask him about Laura. I’m done with the toxic positivity. People are getting permanently injured and Angela is throwing around “we all heal”.
@@idesigncutethings2196 look up Dr. Judith Barr. Judith lost her life in August after taking antibiotics and bringing her akathisia back after being gone two years. Join the Akathisia Research Group. See for yourself.
I think it’s difficult for everyone in various ways. I think for folks like me, who have been off all meds for a while (I’m coming up on one year) and STILL have constant mental and physical akathisia and other med injury symptoms, it feels like we’re just stuck this way. We’re not actively tapering or withdrawing anymore. And a year is quite some time for symptoms to not improve/to stay the same. It’s difficult to maintain hopefulness.
I have a brilliant idea, why do you guys not start telling the real truth about all this- that most do not ever go back to "normal"-
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