Messerschmitt 109 Found In Frozen Lake!
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- In Northern Russia, many Axis and Allied plane wrecks abound, not least in the cold lakes of the region. One of the best preserved had lain submerged for 61 years, and when raised to the surface, was still in excellent condition. This is the story of "Red 6".
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The fish are complaining. “Whatever happened to that lovely German hotel? Beautiful place but terrible service.”
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I guess they Nazi the plane anymore 😂
They served good luftwaffles.
Guess they'll have to book at Fawlty Towers then, eh?
The hotel is now kaput (at least as a hotel, anyway).
I saw this 109 at the Planes of Fame in 2018. To see it in its original livery, along with the bullet holes and battle damage, was unique and fascinating. I spent more time assessing this 109 than I did any of their other fine aircraft. I say it should remain unrestored.
Amen
Yes, battle-damaged planes are clear reminders of this war.
Restoring a warplane, particularly a Nazi warplane, seems wrongish considering the astronomical expense in time and money needed.
For me as a career railroader, it’s the same problem that railway museums sometimes create. A relic is found, dog-eared, tired and hungry. Decades of service are obvious from worn out handles, multiple paint jobs, cracks and more. A story is heard to those who wish to listen.
All of that is erased during restoration. A sterile, off-the-shelf product is presented. No personality is found. Only a beauty queen with a sign to read.
Sometimes… it’s best to let a sleeping dog lie. Let the dents, holes and rust tell the whole story. Plenty of other queens to ogle in the next aisle.
@@inkydoug It costs a lot of money to restore any WW2 aircraft, like the Fw-190 they found in that Russian forest. But the people that pay to have these aircraft restored have deep pockets (i.e. Paul Allen).
First we had Panzar of the Lake, now we got Messerschmitt of the Lake
And in Russia they have the Lada of the lake
In 75 years people will be finding Su’s, Tu’s, and MiGs in the lakes of Ukraine
I'm still waiting to find the lady of the lake lol. And Excalibur!!
My thoughts exactly
Austrian of the lake what is your wisdom
"what do you for a living?"
"I remove engines from 75year old planes.....underwater" 😅
Seeing it, as retrieved, is far more poignant that seeing a restored aircraft. There's far more sense of time, conflict, loss and human life.
Mark, you raise a good argument to keep it as is.
I agree! IMO much of the history of the aircraft is lost when restored. It would be great if it could be left as it is.
@@Langersport Let me disagree .. I would not restore it to "flying conditions", but it could be restored a little, just to ... re - create ... so to speak, the appereance of the plane of the day when it was shot down, with the holes made by the bullets and so.
@@stefanopelizzo4908but why? It's FAR more interesting to see it as is. If you want to see a mint condition BF 109, just Google it. Also there are others that have been restored, so why bother restoring this one?
How silly and indefensible. The warbird should be restored to its former glory, and her engine’s throaty war song should be heard again! It would be criminal to let her languish as a dilapidated, rusty scrap pile!
@@richardeikenburg7347so take all the history out of the plane? Those bullet holes are it’s story, thats what happened to it.
Those frozen lakes were actually life-savers. Thanks again, Dr. Felton.
In the early 90's I visited a private airport outside of Atlanta where a recent ME109 was rescued from a lake in Poland. Again, the aircraft was damaged and unflyable so the pilot landed on a lake with the foe on one side and friends on the other, scrambling to reach friendly lines. The USSR soldiers shot the hell out of the aircraft just for fun while it sat on the frozen lake surface, then as the weather warmed it fell thru the ice and sank just weeks later riddled with big & small holes. Transported then to Atlanta to be rebuilt it was then in pieces and was in the process of being rebuilt. One of the owners was working on a vacuum damper supplying/controlling the airflow to the in-wing radiator. It was in the open position meaning that vacuum was still present in the controlling actuator, as we spoke to the tech/owner he put a wrench on the supply line to remove the actuator assembly and as soon as he cracked the line open, the damper closed AMAZZING!! That after all these years, 50 at least under water, it was still in good working condition. No lack of quality in their work man ship.
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I wouldn't doubt it as Germany was known for its outstanding craftsmanship of almost all items back then. It is why so many people hunt for German war prizes, like davgars and flags, to this day.
Much awaited, much appreciated looking forward to excellent insights as always from you.
Thanks so much for your research Mr Felton
Thanks Dr. Felton!
There are 3 planes I absolutely love from WW2, the Spitfire, the ME-109, & the B-29. My maternal grandfather was a radio operator on a B-29 crew in the Pacific.
My grandfather helped build the run way the enola gay took off from on its way to Japan.
@@Bloodredprincepsthey just reactivated that airfield. Tinian is back in action.
@@patrickjohnson5245 Ha, I did not know this, that's really cool.
@Bloodredprinceps they're currently in the process of removing vegetation and re-paving the runways. They did the same thing to Sledge Airfield on Peleliu.
@@patrickjohnson5245 yea I just Googled it and read up on it a bit, thats pretty darn cool. Thanks for bringing that up.
Keep it unrestored. Thank you Dr. Felton for this fascinating story!
I’d say leave it as-is. The plane recovered and restored in 1989 is beautiful but how much of the original is truly under all of that massive restoration?
Fr. Gives off Ship of Thesius vibes.
The 109 of Wolfeschlegelsteinhausenbergerdorff.
If you are going to fly it almost no structural metal will be kept.
Leaving it as is preserves the story of the plane better than a restoration, I think the remarkable state as is; really tells the story in a way that a pristine aircraft like the post war produced ones just can't show.
The FW190 pulled out of the woods in the 90's uses it's original engine that came out with it
What a fantastic discovery..glad I tuned in!
1:31 Ah so he served with Luke Skywalker?
Red 6. He’s Porkins
@@Emigdiosback I knew it was Porkins but I wasn’t 100% sure on it so I didn’t name drop him. Im glad you knew though
Yes
Lake Balaton in Hungary is also interesting, just recently (last year) they recovered a Messerschmitt 109 Hungarian Variant from the depts, it was not in a good condition but it’s still an amazing find. Or 20 years ago a Junkers 88 and a Soviet IL-2 was found as well.
A rumour is also persists still today, that a Tiger Tank is still not recovered from the lake and it’s hidden underwater, maybe a thing for you to investigate? :)
Who knows how many WW2 equipment is still in the lake Balaton and hitting surface somewhere in the future :)
Archaeologists will be wondering in centuries to come about the religious significance of throwing fighter aircraft into lakes in the 20th century, like they threw swords and spears thousands of years earlier. Sometimes there was even a human sacrifice along with the aeroplane. Were they criminals, or gay men in homophobic times?
That Hungarian Bf-109 is now one of two such examples, the other is on static display at the Arizona facility of the Planes of Fame Air Museum
Mark, time and time again you put out these exceptional informative videos on some of the most interesting and important moments in history. Your work is VERY much so appreciated and I hope you keep up the fantastic work!
I agree totally. Keep it as is. Thank you Dr. Felton.
I am long-time member and former docent at Planes of Fame. I live less than half an hour's drive from the museum and visit several times a year. Yes, l know how fortunate I am. Well done, Doctor Felton.
Mark, you ALWAYS uncover such interesting stories. Much obliged.
I agree with you, Mark.
Leave it as it is.
Good point.
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If they keep recovering and restoring them at this rate the Luftwaffe may darken our skies again!
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As a fan of history I always look forward to getting a notification that Mark Felton has posted a new video.
Keep it as is indeed. A delicate balance between a true historical relic and preservation. Keep it as close to "the last hands who touched it" condition.
O Messerschmitt of the lake, what is your wisdom?
-"Always attack out of the sun."
@@mace8873 Especially when you're the ghastly hun.
How to lose a thousand year Reich in but 12.
@@pooooornopigeon Obviously, there are traditions, procedures, and stereotypes to uphold!
The Lady of the Lake has updated her weapons from a sword to a formidable aircraft.
Mark is the history teacher i wish i had
Fr I've learned more from Mark Felton then any history class.
Eloquently put.
We all should have been so lucky.
That Heinkel HE 115 is an amazing recovery. Its a very beautiful looking seaplane.
Id say leave it as is. Great video!!
Thank you for this post.
you never cease to pique the interest. Thank you!
Been to "Planes of Fame" in Chino a couple of times. Wonderful museum. Recommend it highly.
An amazing piece of history. Leave it as it is - enough history gets "revised and restored" as it is.
Another banger from Dr. Felton
That's what she said!
I’m always anxiously awaiting your next video Mark.
watching mark vids while crocheting >>>>
Forbidden combo
@@norsuist fr but idk why i always have marks vid in the background while i crochet 😭😭
The ultimate modern-historical hobby double strike
Better catch than a lake perch, for sure! Cheers, Mark!
I did read about a Junkers 52 that landed almost intact into the Inari Lake in North Finland.
They pulled up some parts of it in the 60's. Tourists took souvenirs parts and probably destroyed it.
There’s still a Junkers 52 wreckage somewhere in eastern lapland of Finland if I remember correctly. But it’s only left there because it’s more than a hundred kilometers away from Civilization and all that uncivilized land is wilderness. I have a friend who visited there. It’s still there to this day, but I don’t remember the exact location.
Mr Felton's productions are excellent, informative and fascinating. I'm grateful for his knowledge and stories. History, in my opinion, is the king of all studies.
Dr. Felton, your dives into the offbeat and esoteric aspects of the war are gripping. Thank you for your engrossing content.
"It would be very difficult to top this find, but I'll try" Dr. Felton, I think you're the only one that can not only say that, but also do it. My father was a WWII fighter pilot in the Eighth Air Force and I have a great interest in WWII and always look forward to your videos. I'll be retiring in about a year and hope to (finally) visit Europe and see some of the places dad was at. Thanks for your great content.
The Baltic Sea is also known for preserving old wooden ships, there are certainly battle planes lying at the bottom of the Baltic Sea too! 🛩️ Greetings from Stockholm Sweden 🇸🇪
Don't forget the MS Estonia too...
That was a pleasant surprise , my father and aviation artist. Peter Champion. Died in 2014, and was a friend of Jim Pearce. Often sharing their knowledge at Shoreham Airport over a coffee.
Thanks.
I would argue to document the aircraft as is and then rebuild it. You could keep the battle damaged pieces as displays. The problem is that people who can rebuild them are likely getting scarce. At some point, it'll be too expensive to rebuild and preserve it. You won't have the metals, the paints, the tools, or the expertise any more.
I got to meet one of these restored BF109s a few years ago in Danville IL. Was doing my cross country flight training and my instructor noticed the 109 sitting out so we stopped and walked over and got to see it start up and fly.
Got to hear it do a highspeed strafing run on us. Was an awesome sight and sound!
Leave it as is! Restoring it to flying order would mean immense changes, and thus, no longer original.
Great find and story. Thanks Mark.
SUPER VIDEO ! DANKE MARK !! WIE WEIT IST DENN DIE ME110 VON DEM VIDEO ? GRUSS VOM AMMERSEE / BAYERN ! SERVUS !!
Excellent Mark more fascinating stuff thanks
Definitely had to be preserved , not much BF-109E survive to this day
Loving the steady posts! Great work Mr Felton!
Living history..."recovered" Living history. As always you are " The Best of the Best".... thank you Mark Felton .
I like hearing stories like this. Hope to see more. Not just about planes, but tanks and other vehicles. Keep the interesting stories coming!
Friend went south sea islands on holiday, tour guides showed them Corsairs in a jungle. Not sure which islands.
I did some island hopping in the South Pacific with WW2 history in mind and was amazed at what I saw. Especially the aluminum from some planes that looked brand new.
I just saw this plane back in May at the Wings, Wheels, and Tracks show at POF. Remarkable thing to see in person.
Awesome barn find story Mark.
I have been to the "Planes of Fame" airshow many times in the past. They haven't had one for several years. Might be some additional incentive to see the museum, thank you Dr. Felton.
Thank you very much for sharing, Dr. Felton ! Appreciate it a LOT 👍
Greetings from the Netherlands 🇳🇱, TW.
Hij is goed, he !
@@AndyKroet : absoluut !
Keep it as it, keep history intact
I do remember a German plane being recovered from a wreck site under a frozen lake. What was exceptionally remarkable was the guns still could be fired and there was fuel left in the tank which was drained and provided new evidence on synthetic fuels that formed the basis of the recent jumbo jet and A330 trials
Do you have any links to this story?
As a diver in northern Norway, I do hope there will still be WWII plane wrecks to see underwater. Two notable examples are 1) a Junkers Ju 52 near Narvik (in a lake at only 5-8 m depth and near the shore, so pretty accessible), and 2) a Heinkel He 111 not far from Tromsø (in the sea at 35 m depth).
W.Nr.3323 makes it, indeed, a very early Bf.109E- version. Already long in service given the F-versions that were available at the time.
I live reasonable near to Chino, California. I need to visit this plane! Thanks you, Dr Felton!
you do a great job Mark, easy to understand und makes my english better. Greetings from Germany, Stefan
Im just glad we have it.thanks mark g1
I think there is one in my pond in Tennessee……..or it an old pickup truck 😂
Either way might be repairable
There was a UA-cam this am of a pickup being pulled from a Tennessee lake with 04 plates so not that old
Amazingly, a few months ago I found a Monogram model kit( Quarter inch scale)of an Me109E in my bedroom closet that I had bought for $3 at a flea market. It remains in its original box in excellent condition still in its original plastic yet to be built. It even came with a modelers patch that I display on a patch board .🤣
Hello mark! Once again another great video!
That opening photograph of you in the snow with the binoculars, I'm half expecting you to be joined by Richard Burton and Clint Eastwood scoping out the Schlos Adler.
Fun fact in poland there is a high chance you can find old ww2 items and even body's of german solider 's
There is a growing niche hobby of people scouring former war areas all over eastern Europe...collecting war memorabilia and finding the odd body here and there. Those with decency notify the authorities and the remains are recovered and repatriated if possible.
@@johngrace199 this is the case with Kursk as well, I was in the Kurskaya Duga in 2007, walking in the fields you could immediately see pieces of shell casings on the topsoil.
Now it's being sprinkled again with pieces of western equipment and the bodies of Ukrainians.
Great video
0:40 Titanic struggle on the eastern front. That can Never be understated! One could argue that the eastern front Was WWII! IMO.
Just saw that 190 in Everett Washington. She is Beautiful.
Always good productions. Thank for being there😊
Where I live, they pulled an almost intact Mk V Grumman Wildcat from the local lake. It crash landed on Christmas Eve 1944 with only the tip of its tail occasionally visible for forty years. It now resides with the Ulster Aviation Society.
The next 5:24 are going to be awesome!
Loving being among the first get a lesson from Dr Felton 🫡
Really tough call. On the one hand, seeing it in its original condition is fascinating and meaningful, especially given how well-preserved it is. On the other, so few wrecks can be restored to flying condition that it seems a huge lost opportunity to not have another ME-109 in the air when so few airworthy frames exist.
I should go to that museum. I live about an hour from it! 👍👍
You should do that and post some pictures here.
I concur with the good doctor, preserving as is commerates not only its war time history but the fact it has “survived“ for so long undisturbed.
There's still at least four WW2 tanks in the New Forest three of them lost in bogs.
I'm nearby and never knew this.
It's because their all male crews won't ask for directions.
@@scockery Haha!
I just smash " like " , Mark before I've even heard a word. I know it's gonna be good.
tanks mark my man!!!!!!!
I’ve actually touched this plane… it’s actually in better condition than one would think..!!!
I take it you live in/around Chino, CA. My name's "Me Too." Cheers.
So Cal here as well. This a great find and amazing to see up close.
Watching a Mark Felton video with this intro music always makes me feel like im watching a supervillain channel
Living near Lake Tahoe (California/Nevada border) which is a very deep, extremely cold lake (the waters are "gelid" - if the waters weren't moving, they would freeze solid) we have seen many recoverys like this aircraft, in incredible shape. A few years ago they raised a fairly large passenger ferry steamer that had been scuttled in the 1920's. When they washed off the mud, it looked like it had sunk a couple of years ago - practically no rust or rot. As another strange effect, drowning victims do not decay, bloat and rise to the surface. They simply sink to the bottom (1600 ft. - 500 meters) and freeze. Most of them are still down there. Recently a drowning victim washed up on shore after a couple of months and it was a shocking event. No one had ever heard of such a thing.
Thought I recognized it! I visited that museum a couple years ago
The more the years go by the more I wonder if it was all worth it, look at the state of Europe now, it makes me cry about what the future holds for the Europeans.
I used to live and work in the US. Wouldn't set foot there again if you paid me, even as a tourist. Love from Europe.
"The more things change the more they stay the same."
Always interesting, thank you so much ❤!!
Get it flying again!!
If it flies again there is always the chance of a crash. Many old aircraft have been lost forever this way. Better to work on improved preservation that would add to the beauty of all the original paint and design.
Let mark Felton fly it
Very few original parts would be safe to re-use.
Better to use it as a pattern for spares for other 109s.
Strangely, the 109 is harder to restore than the Spitfire.
The 109's bodyshell was stamped out by dies, which no longer exist.
The Spitfire was mostly hand-built. A skilled team can knock out replacement panels from scratch.
They should be preserved and put in museums
German aircraft has survived because of their incredible build quality.
The Germans know how to put things together to last!!
It was the cold icy water, not anything about the build quality. If the water was warm enough for bacteria and other small organisms to live, this aircraft would have been mostly dust.
not anymore
The patina of an antique generally adds to its value. It's a record of the item’s personal history. Leave the 109 as found.
I do realise that these old war-birds are amazing when flying, but I am always tense seeing them for real or even watching them on film. Such aged machines are by now rather frail and dangerous, and were never as safe as modern aeroplanes even when new.
To see one unrestored is a much greater pleasure for me, though I'll never see this one as I don't expect to visit the USA.
As always, Dr Felton, this is fascinating.
Best wishes from George in UK
Amazing....Thank you Sir.
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The good doctor has mastered the 5 minute history lesson.
'Churchill and Ireland' for a future video, Mark.
It was a complex relationship that started in the Victorian era, spanned both World Wars and post-WW2.
thank you.
Fascinating stuff thank you. i have a complete Luftwaffe stamped 20mm cannon shell from a 109, its a monster, scary piece.
not just try but to 0:34 take a coverage of a certain videoclip towards lenningrradid is rare and apprecieted!! thank youmark !! for this relic
everything thats been a treasure for history needs to be uncoveredred, I mean no money can bring the joy of discvering something new
4:30 same!!!