Thank you Hannah, it would think, that at least 80 % of my golf buddies, me included, had no clue about all the opportunities when a ball is gone lost or OB
Your giggle laced with your wisdom is going to be the death of me. We are so out of bounds all the time we play the wrong way on the fairway. Dr Gus Greenfield approved!
Well that was really interesting and informative. Clubs should offer this sort of advice in voluntary seminars to members. I quite like the idea of that Model Local Rule E-5; could be very practical for some courses / holes. Cheers
Really good info this Hannah thank you. I joined a club 2 months ago and got my handicap through today of 13, but I really need to brush up on the rules so this has helped a lot.
I'm willing to bet that intentional hook into the bushes wasn't with a Pro-V1. ;-) Enjoying your content. I really want to see this channel grow. Greetings from Texas where our off-season is summer when it feels like we're playing on the sun (but we do it anyways)
Great job Hannah. I sent the previous rules video out to our lady members and was hoping to do the same with this. However, the inclusion of the Model Local Rule 8 E-5 towards the end will, unfortunately only serve to confuse most members/viewers as this cannot be applied during any competition round that is deemed as Acceptable for handicap purposes.
Great explanations of what to do on a lost ball. When you were by the wired fence from the T shot out of bounds there were a lot of leaves piled up along the fence. What if you did not find the ball but said it was lost in the leaves. Any relief stating it may have been lost in the leaves in bounds other than what you explained?
This depends on your club. Model local rule F-14 can be brought in to make leaves like ground under repair so you would get free relief but I believe you still need to find the golf ball!
rules everyone needs to know - i love the idea of the drop on the fairway should just be employed for all amateur events my dad never hits a provisional and dont know why you just never know if you'll find it in a bad area and also gives you bit of practice ha
Is the final example still a 2 stroke penalty? For example on a par 4, let's say you hit a great first drive into the fairway, then on your 2nd shot into the green you think it's good but when you walk up to the green you realise its gone too long and is now lost. If going back to the original shot location is not possible due to pace of play reasons are you then dropping in the fairway no closer to the hole for a 2 stroke penalty? So after the drop you're hitting your 5th shot?
Interesting question: you hit your ball into a (thick) bush, when you get there you can see a ball in there and assume it's your ball, but cannot reach it to identify (without hurting yourself) - are you entitled to take an unplayable drop (2 club length) ... or is your ball lost and you have to go back to the tee?
Basically that new Local rule acts as if you hit a decent provisional to that spot 2 club lengths in from the edge of the fairway, and you hit your next shot (your 4th if this was off the tee) from there. It's a pretty good, fair shorthand for just getting on with it in a case where you didn't hit a provisional for some reason. But it's better practice to get in the habit of hitting a provisional......or better yet, stay out of the junk. Oh, if only it were that simple. 😅
You pretty much nailed it this time. Well done. :) Only one slight mistake: Model local rules are not under rule 8 of the rulebook which is "Course Played as It Is Found". MLR are Section 8 under "Committee Procedures". Committee Proceedures are not included in the rule book, but is a seperate section of the Official Guide to the Rules of Golf. Nitpicking here, but minor misunderstandings can, in my experience, lead to very big mistakes on the course. :) I have to commend you on your explanation of E-5 though. Not many people has this level of understanding of this local rule. Let alone ability to explain it.
@@AnotherLostBall I'm not here to troll. I just think it's important to relay the correct information, when acting as a person with rules knowledge on a platform with over 13.000 people watching. I think What Hannah Holden is doing is very commendable, so I'm only trying to help.
I really wish the possibility of a local rule (dropping with 2 shots penalty) becomes an official rule. We always play it among our group in casual rounds like that, although it's no local rule (I suggested it to the club but they won't listen). We've got a dogleg there with danger of OOB which you hardly can see from the tee ... and usually it's the same again with a provisional ... so we just agreed upon that between us.
While The E-5 model local rule is definately a way to save time, it is unfortunately too much of an advantage to have as an option for elite and professional play. What it effectively does is give you a safe ball in the fairway as oppose to actually having to hit it there. This particular local rule can actually in some situations become a huge advantage over having to play a provisional or new ball from the tee. Namely on dogleg holes. If this rule is in effect, you might have a lost ball in the dog leg, and even though you are only able to hit it, say 200 meters, you might find yourself in a situatiion where your 200 meter carry will see that the reference point, no nearer the hole of where your ball is presumed lost, will be easily 50-100 meters closer to the hole than you are physically able to hit it. This is the main reson why it is not a popular local rule in co,petitive play.
What do you do? You take out the extra ball you've been carrying and drop it somewhere not seen by your playing partners, yet is playable otherwise. Well, that's what most people do.
I have to say that those were a couple of the worst shots I've seen you hit on video 😆 I have to believe that you were doing that on purpose, so in that case, well done! 😄👍🏽❤⛳️
Agree! Since we are only playing because we enjoy it and are conscious of pace of play, we create and enforce our own "committee" rules regarding lost / O.B. balls.
Happy Holidays Hannah Holden! Do love your content.
Happy holidays! Hope you had a lovely time!
Well explained Hannah! Thanks
Thank you Hannah, it would think, that at least 80 % of my golf buddies, me included, had no clue about all the opportunities when a ball is gone lost or OB
Great work again Hannah, very well explained. Thank you.
Thanks Hannah. These type of videos are so helpful.
Your giggle laced with your wisdom is going to be the death of me. We are so out of bounds all the time we play the wrong way on the fairway. Dr Gus Greenfield approved!
Well that was really interesting and informative. Clubs should offer this sort of advice in voluntary seminars to members.
I quite like the idea of that Model Local Rule E-5; could be very practical for some courses / holes.
Cheers
@@GolfingMalky thanks! Model local rule E5 really should be used by more clubs!!
Yep! Good no nonsense advice. Well done, Hannah.
loving your content Hannah, well done.
Really good info this Hannah thank you. I joined a club 2 months ago and got my handicap through today of 13, but I really need to brush up on the rules so this has helped a lot.
Lucid explanation with the rule numbers quoted for those that need to look up the rule afterwards.
really interesting video Hannah,
think sometimes people forget the rules of a lost ball, especially regarding the provisional ball rule of the tee
Love your rules videos! Thank you
Stylish as ever Hannah.
Really clear explanation, can you do hazards next please, then unplayable lie options?
@@davidhainsworth4811 yes definitely 🙌🏻
Great content Hannah
Regards from the Belgique friends🎉🎉
I'm willing to bet that intentional hook into the bushes wasn't with a Pro-V1. ;-) Enjoying your content. I really want to see this channel grow. Greetings from Texas where our off-season is summer when it feels like we're playing on the sun (but we do it anyways)
Great job Hannah. I sent the previous rules video out to our lady members and was hoping to do the same with this. However, the inclusion of the Model Local Rule 8 E-5 towards the end will, unfortunately only serve to confuse most members/viewers as this cannot be applied during any competition round that is deemed as Acceptable for handicap purposes.
The model local rule can be used for handicapping
All clubs should use 2 shot penalty rule for general play
@@danhillx agreed!
I have not heard of any clubs in Britain using the model local rule E5.
Great explanations of what to do on a lost ball. When you were by the wired fence from the T shot out of bounds there were a lot of leaves piled up along the fence. What if you did not find the ball but said it was lost in the leaves. Any relief stating it may have been lost in the leaves in bounds other than what you explained?
This depends on your club. Model local rule F-14 can be brought in to make leaves like ground under repair so you would get free relief but I believe you still need to find the golf ball!
rules everyone needs to know - i love the idea of the drop on the fairway should just be employed for all amateur events
my dad never hits a provisional and dont know why you just never know if you'll find it in a bad area and also gives you bit of practice ha
Is the final example still a 2 stroke penalty? For example on a par 4, let's say you hit a great first drive into the fairway, then on your 2nd shot into the green you think it's good but when you walk up to the green you realise its gone too long and is now lost. If going back to the original shot location is not possible due to pace of play reasons are you then dropping in the fairway no closer to the hole for a 2 stroke penalty? So after the drop you're hitting your 5th shot?
@@KaneGibbon you can take stroke and distance if you want for a 1 shot penalty. If not it would be a 2 shot penalty and you would be playing 5.
No, you wave the players behind through and go back an play from the original position.
still confused... stroke AND distance is a 1 shot penalty? Our group plays "drop is #3 for your lost approach shot, then hitting 4th shot."
@ hence 3 off the tee, which will bring you to where you lost your ball, and the you are playing your 4th shot
If you don’t want to find your first ball and all of the shots that could go with it… don’t call your second hit a provisional and move on!
correct!!
If you hit the second shot from the tee (and don't call provisional), do you take any penalty?
@@grey_fox7yes
@@grey_fox7 Sure, it's shot no.3 then.
@gerhardprasent3358 thanks. You've got to REALLY not like your original shot if you're willing to take 3 off the tee then
Interesting question: you hit your ball into a (thick) bush, when you get there you can see a ball in there and assume it's your ball, but cannot reach it to identify (without hurting yourself) - are you entitled to take an unplayable drop (2 club length) ... or is your ball lost and you have to go back to the tee?
Ball is lost if you can’t identify it!
Basically that new Local rule acts as if you hit a decent provisional to that spot 2 club lengths in from the edge of the fairway, and you hit your next shot (your 4th if this was off the tee) from there. It's a pretty good, fair shorthand for just getting on with it in a case where you didn't hit a provisional for some reason. But it's better practice to get in the habit of hitting a provisional......or better yet, stay out of the junk. Oh, if only it were that simple. 😅
@@seanbaines yes!! It’s definitely very helpful, lots of people still seem to refuse to hit provisionals for some reason 😅😅😅
You pretty much nailed it this time. Well done. :)
Only one slight mistake: Model local rules are not under rule 8 of the rulebook which is "Course Played as It Is Found". MLR are Section 8 under "Committee Procedures". Committee Proceedures are not included in the rule book, but is a seperate section of the Official Guide to the Rules of Golf. Nitpicking here, but minor misunderstandings can, in my experience, lead to very big mistakes on the course. :)
I have to commend you on your explanation of E-5 though. Not many people has this level of understanding of this local rule. Let alone ability to explain it.
@@Ruinsthename I will take this as a win
@hannahholdengolf As I initially said, -you nailed it :)
I came on to comment how clear the descriptions were, without needlessly cross-referencing against various Rule numbers 😉
@ I love your username. It’s like this video was made for you 😅
@@AnotherLostBall I'm not here to troll. I just think it's important to relay the correct information, when acting as a person with rules knowledge on a platform with over 13.000 people watching. I think What Hannah Holden is doing is very commendable, so I'm only trying to help.
I really wish the possibility of a local rule (dropping with 2 shots penalty) becomes an official rule. We always play it among our group in casual rounds like that, although it's no local rule (I suggested it to the club but they won't listen).
We've got a dogleg there with danger of OOB which you hardly can see from the tee ... and usually it's the same again with a provisional ...
so we just agreed upon that between us.
While The E-5 model local rule is definately a way to save time, it is unfortunately too much of an advantage to have as an option for elite and professional play. What it effectively does is give you a safe ball in the fairway as oppose to actually having to hit it there. This particular local rule can actually in some situations become a huge advantage over having to play a provisional or new ball from the tee. Namely on dogleg holes. If this rule is in effect, you might have a lost ball in the dog leg, and even though you are only able to hit it, say 200 meters, you might find yourself in a situatiion where your 200 meter carry will see that the reference point, no nearer the hole of where your ball is presumed lost, will be easily 50-100 meters closer to the hole than you are physically able to hit it. This is the main reson why it is not a popular local rule in co,petitive play.
Thanks, I see. We usually drop the ball not in the fairway, but 2 club length from OOB or where it was lost (not nearer ...)
Top-notch outfit ya got there. Is it spring yet?
@@homeofinventions it is still very much winter 😭😭😭😭 the wind was gusting 40mph when I filmed this!
@hannahholdengolf Spring colors on your outfit had me thinking spring. Anyway, carry on. Dave
What do you do? You take out the extra ball you've been carrying and drop it somewhere not seen by your playing partners, yet is playable otherwise.
Well, that's what most people do.
Surely if you hit a ball in the trees, hit another without declaring a provisional, it becomes the ball in play?
@@Pud56 yes that is correct
Sorry you agree the above later in your video, so effectively you can declare a ball lost by playing a ball without declaring a provisional.
@ yes 🙌🏻
The Committee? 😂 LOL
What committee?
“Stroke AND Distance” is essentially a TWO-stroke penalty 🙄
I have to say that those were a couple of the worst shots I've seen you hit on video 😆 I have to believe that you were doing that on purpose, so in that case, well done! 😄👍🏽❤⛳️
I was doing it on purpose 😅😅😅
Very good explanation Hannah very impressed .
I get the feeling that you’re tapping into an area of UA-cam golf, that hasn’t seen much activity?!
New rule you only get one ball and when it’s gone you have to go home! Sounds harsh but a rule is a rule
Some people would not play many holes 😂
hahaha clever
Just drop one down and get on with it
Thats why takes 5 hrs to play
Agree! Since we are only playing because we enjoy it and are conscious of pace of play, we create and enforce our own "committee" rules regarding lost / O.B. balls.
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