Harley Davidson Changes Course - Woke Controversy Over
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Not over until the CEO resigns.
Does it matter? Every major manufacture, auto, motorcycle, boat, gun, etc has whatever you want to call it. Dei, sexual harassment etc. it doesn't matter. That said going to be some great deals on bikes.
Crap bikes anyway. Overpriced rubbish
@@dotdashdotdash I bought a 23 bmw r1250 GSA. Very expensive. Very capable. I'm happy with my purchase.
With the outrage for profit crews, it ain't ever over.
Just enjoy what you ride and ride what you enjoy.
@@ronoldcross8189 Aye, n make mine a Guzzi, Laverda or Ducati
It's far from over. The CEO and board who are intent on destroying the brand are still in place.
bingo, also we should not forget that the revolution Max motor will be made in Thailand
@@VilifiedFreedom I think you'd be surprised at where the suppliers of traditional Harleys come from. There wasn't a pure bred American machine since the beginning of globalization.
It's plain to me that this woke garbage is a purposeful assault on corporate America, part of the multi-pronged program, social, economic, cultural, you name it, to destroy America and the West and replace it with the Soviet Union.
Not over boycott all these Hippocratic companies … Budweiser, HD, Target , Starbucks etc none get my $$$ anymore
Hypocrite right? I'm not sure how to spell it. Hippocrates was some Greek dude I think.
There was a new boycott? Everyone except Boomers have been boycotting Harley's since the 90's. No one wants to ride a bike made by a clothing company or Cosplay as a outlaw leather daddy.
Okay, that’s funny.
I'm your Daddy, ask your 👩.
100% weekend warriors in their pirate customs.
If I wanted a 1950s tractor, I’d buy one. For riding? I’ll stick with Japanese reliability.
@@DifferentSpokesTV There's more truth to that than you might think.
Dear Mr. Spokes, I remember when Truman ran against Dewey. I have been in a couple military conflicts. Iv'e been all over the political spectrum. Been riding bikes for sixty three years. I must say for a young fella, you have the correct thoughts in your head. Let us all be kind to each other. Thank you for your young wisdom.
Thank you for the kind words. It would be nice to return to a more polite time when people saw each other’s humanity.
AAAHAHAHHAHAHAH Dude, if you remember when Truman ran against Dewey, you must be in care home. That was 76 years ago( 1948). AAAHAHAHHAHAH The sh*t runs deep in the comments section. Get outta here.
@@SteffiReitsch Well Steffi, I was born in 1941, and I do in fact remember Truman. And the day he fired General MacArthur. I still live in my own home. I just sold my BMW S1000R and bought a Rebel 1100 for automatic transmission (bad arthritis). If you eat all of your vegetables and refrain from calling your superiors'dude', you may also live to tell 'old-timer' stories.
@@richardkrammes2222 Pops, if you were born in 1941 then you were only 7 years old when Truman ran against Dewy in 1948. Most 7 year olds don't pay attention to politics, so I commend you on your memory. Cheers.
@@SteffiReitsch Steffi, In the 1940s our relatives fought and died in the second world war. All children were quite aware of the horrible war and the damage done to people physically and mentally. We were very patriotic. Some of us went on to fight in Vietnam and did our service during the Cuban conflict. We even rode motorcycles. Rather than take me to task about my memory and veracity, may I suggest you listen to Mr. Sprocket again and then go look in a mirror. Richard
It was not an issue until they made it an issue. They made a wind and now are reaping the whirlwind. No company should take such a divisive stand to take it upon themselves to change folks attitudes or beliefs. Harley riders took that as a personal slap in the face.
Not one mentioned that the CEO is going to close the Kansas City plant and start building Harleys in Thailand, then importing them back into the US stealing American jobs. This CEO and the board has to go. I speak as a lifelong Harley Davidson owner and a proud American.
The KC plant closed in 2019. He will though also close the plant in York PA, which currently makes the Sportster line that's moving to Thailand.
It's not over until "we the people " say it is!
Job is only half done the core of the problem is still sitting at in the top chair he and the board have to go
Even if the CEO retires, I won't spend money on their products unless HD keeps it's word and doesn't ship jobs overseas.
DO NOT stop the pressure now. CEO/BOard who want this DEI/WOKE still in power. This temporary change cannot be enough!!!! They need to be replaced with REAL HARLEY people. AND they are still shipping jobs overseas.
As always said. Everyone can do whatever with their business. And you can do whatever you want with your wallet.
Dont like something? Dont support it, Dont buy from them. Is that simple.
Boycott is a right as is spreading the word about ENEMIES using corporate wealth to promote sexism and racism. That's simple too. Everyone defending HD in this is usually utterly ignorant of (real) HD history and doesn't follow the industry.
I'm Gen X and a lifelong, year-round rider who's only mode of transport has been a big twin cruiser for well over 30+ years. The sad truth is that we do live in a deeply divided world. I've never owned a Harley because of the bad taste left from when I started riding street bikes back in the early 90s. HD riders were mostly Boomer assholes who looked down on me for my first bike being an 800cc Intruder, because that's what I could afford. Being alienated simply because the bike I could afford wasn't HD resulted in prolonged bullying and literal abuse. I ride year round, I don't own an F-150, or a trailer, and I don't give a damn what you ride so long as you are poking a hole in the wind with your knees in the breeze.
Regardless of where HD culture may be currently, I was never accepted as a "Real Biker" even though I ride Every Damned Day come rain or shine.
There is a legitimate cultural issue of elitism and bigotry within the biker and hobbyist motorcyclist community that needs to be addressed.
Politics aside, we need to close the divide and bring an end to the classism still prevalent between HD riders and non-HD riders.
Whether you are wearing a three-piece cut, an HOG patch, or just an enthusiast, we are all in this together.
Keep the shiny side up brother
Also, the term "Woke" is fuckin meaningless. Seriously, define "Woke". What does it actually mean? It's nothing more than a tired ass buzzword meant to get folks riled up about a bunch of nothin just to keep us fighting amongst ourselves. Simply acknowledging that non-white, non-straight people deserve the same basic rights as everyone else is now, apparently, "Woke". I thought we had moved on from that ignorant shit. My niece is queer, and has been happily married for ten years. Just like any of you would, and rightly so, if you come for my family you gotta go through me first. It ain't "Woke" to say that everyone ought to have the same basic human rights.
The fact this is now somehow "Political" is just plain sad.
Let people live their lives as they see fit. If ain't got nothing to do with you, and when everyone involved are consenting adults, then it's none of our damned business. It's just sad how obsessed some folks are these days with what other folks get up to and how much they want the government to be involved in their personal lives.
Two words that ought to put that into perspective. D.E.A. and A.T.F. Since when are we all so Pro-Cop? Pro-law enforcement? Pro-Government?
Is that not the whole point of biker culture? Just leave us the hell alone!
Gen Xer here and I’ve been riding something with T wheels and a motor for as long as I can remember. Why do you care about the classism between bike riders. Why do you care what HD riders think of you? Your a real biker because you think your a real biker, who cares. You don’t want people to define you don’t let it. Simple. As far as “woke” as a term it is not simply a buzzword. You are not “Woke” if you believe in equality. Equality of opportunity. It’s the people who want to force Equality of Outcome who are “woke” If you don’t know the difference you are ignorant. I don’t care what you do in your bedroom and if that’s all it was me and most of the “deporlables” wouldn’t care but that’s not what they are forcing.. is laws and policies that force me to accept their reality. You think I won’t affect you till your kid wants to cut off body parts at 12 and can do it without your consent simply by telling a teacher. Or your kid can’t get a job because of hiring quotas. Or you loose your job because of outsourcing to countries that hate us and use the money we give them to attack us or peaceful neighboring countries and then the politicians here want to give more of your money and your kids lives to those countries to defend themselves. These are not trivial issues and putting your live and let live head in the sand won’t help when it gets to the point when it eventually affects you. For me and many it’s not about the politics itself it’s about the results seen in everyday living.
Hello White Wolf , i ride all kinds of bikes including an harley. And let me tell you , you are a real biker. More than i am. it isn't about the bike but about the man. I avoid the water as much as possible and I have a car. You my friend are a rare specie. Wish you the best from Réunion Island.
@@Psycrow11yeah!, what you said 💥
Maybe your whiny @ss attitude is why you didnt feel accepted.. many did have an attitude thats true, i was on Metric bikes also when i started and didnt give an F what they thought. I just kept going and rode what i wanted. Had several Harleys and metric over the years, and didnt blame the Motor Co for snobby pricks that rode em. But i DO blame Harley for THEIR business decisions.
Outsourcing production of revmax bikes is the straw that broke the camel’s back. For me at least. Unless they knock off $10,000 it’s a huge money grab.
I'm from the UK, although I now live in Poland. I used to look down on the changes in political discourse and consider myself above them. Unfortunately while I was doing so, our politics altered to the point where the demographic makeup of the country is being radically changed by mass immigration, equal treatment under law is a thing of the past, Britain now has de facto blasphemy laws, and thousands of people are now in jail for social media posts - and it's all been done by the DEI fellow travellers.
I hate having to care about politics. But if "Freedom, baby" matters to you like it does to me, insoucience isn’t an option anymore.
Different Spokes, this is why politics matters, this comment is exactly why we are fighting and polarized. You have to stand for something, or you will fall for anything, just like JT.
Fact is we didn't have to search for information. Harley executives decided to identify with an ideology that we do not support and doing so , right or wrong, associated Harley riders with that group.
A great balanced view... something quite rare today. Well done 👏
Thanks!
Harley IS DONE, until they show the faithful that THEY will be faithful. If they want to be a builder of cheap ass bikes with stickers on them, like the AMF years, STILL living off the history and mystique of the past, they should continue down this road.
DEI: NO ONE has said, "If you're not like me you can't ride a Harley." In fact riding a Harley will help welcome a minority into a group of riders. Riders want great bikes at good prices. That is all. If Zeitz wants to change the world, he should run for president of a country.
Your take on this is condescending to faithful HD riders. It probably doesn't matter to you what bike you ride. You'll just change to another brand giving no thought to anything other than the price and riding position. HD is important. HD riders are important. Your opinion of them is like paper blowing in the wind.
I’ve owned many bikes including a Harley that I bought new from a dealer. Every major motorcycle manufacturer has these policies and Harley just dropped them. There are bigger fish to fry out there.
@@DifferentSpokesTV The aerospace corporation that I worked for from the 60's through the 90's embraced DEI and de-emphasized "meritocracy" due to pressure from our major customer, the USG. DEI was practiced at the worker bee level, where doable, but not so much at at the VIP level.
This comment hits my position on HD. I can disagree with a utuber on opinion, I can simply unfollow, HD although is going to cost me money. I watch this guy cause he bought his Ole Lady a Roadster, even though they sold it, he at least tried one. I bet he regrets selling it.
I am with you. I really care about affordable products, and Harley has none these days.
I liked Ross Perot's charts..
It's not done until the CEO and the other true believers on the Board have been relieved
Nope, the boycott is not over. I own 5 Harleys and just bought my first Indian. I pulled the Harley emblems off all 5 and am considering mailing them back to Harley Corporate. The Budweiser boycott isn't over and neither will it be over for Harley.
WEAK! I personally recommend the triumph 1200s. Too sweet.
You ripping harley emblems off your bike is so 'transgender bathrooms'
@@alastairtheduke Whatever that means...
@@logangodofcandy I have a 62 Triumph Bonneville that's sweet...
I do think that the ESG and DEI corporate trends are bad, but that’s because they are trends. I think that requiring companies to be more sustainable, efficient and aware of the externalities and consequences of their business, is good, but I also think that just hoping companies will make the correct choices for the greater good, without being required to by law, is a pipe dream. Companies pursue profit, time for the government to start pursuing quality of life improvements.
I don’t know enough about the real implementation and functionality of DEI programs to make a call on it, but saying companies shouldn’t be concerned about ESG (Environmental Social Governance) is the opposite of what we should be doing. We don’t need corporations to care even LESS about the environment, people and our society.
I agree with the sentiments of these ideas but the execution is so poor that I’m glad some of this stuff is being rolled back. When Exxon is more ESG compliant than Tesla, something is amiss.
I am still not buying from HD dealer. Not because of DEI, had enough of that at my own workplace. But mostly because of big shiny dealer experience. Went to my local HD few times. Always same thing. Low-ball on trade and upsell. Thanks , but no thanks.
The Internet can be entertaining, informative, and convenient, but in the wrong hands and ingested by the unsupervised and impressionable can result in disaster.
the internet is a cesspool of drama queens and propagandists
HD managment betraying their base is far from new and those of us who didn't sleep through the last several decades remember when HD killed off small dealers (who are why they had the customer base in the first place) by demanding absurdly expensive Taj Mahal dealerships which of course favored faceless rich franchises while damaging community support. There was really only a brief era under Willie G (who is now 91 and long retired) where HD was responsive to the customer base. DEI is racist and sexist against the core customer base and no amount of deceit or ignorance changes that reality.
A company should not attempt to push their ideas and political views on its customer base.
The letter Harley issued was dripping with passive-aggressive disdain for it's customers. They tried to minimize the incident by referring to it as a "recent online controversy" and how they were "sad" about all the "negativity." They did not specifically mention any of their woke policies or initiatives that they planned to abandon or why. They did promise to focus on motorcycle stuff in the future. But it was hardly a "we read you loud and clear and look forward to earning back your business" type of message. Felt more like the kind of begrudging admission of guilt you would get from a surly teenager after they are caught red-handed doing something wrong.
I think that where the bikes are built is a bigger issue.
@DifferentSpokesTV combined, it's all a issue. You have to admit it was condensing.
@@brucem8129 You condensed the word 'condescending'. 😊
@peterwilson8039 the important thing is you understood what my comment meant.
not over unless CEO goes bye bye and they do not go over sea
This is FAR from over. CEO must resign and BOD replaced. Problem is Wall Street is too progressive and calling the shots.
Excellent video, wish there were more people like you talking about the real dangers of social media manipulation and devious corporate antics. As for HD, I always found it so very ironic and hypocritical when Zeitz, who proclaimed himself a climate activist and anti capitalist, is a bloody CEO and collects a 43 million dollar salary in charge of a company that practically symbolizes internal combustion, non conformism and custom motorcycle culture. I don't think this is over for them just yet. The main thing HD should be focusing on is affordable bikes and a better range of products, not politics.
Check out @riderznation if you like this guy
Thank you for posting this sane take. So many get caught up in all this bullshit and it doesn't matter at all.
I’m too busy for culture wars. Gotta maintain my sanity.
Leopard don’t change its spots Harley why would you even think about doing what you did I’m done with you
Don't buy new Harleys or they're Goods buy used bikes and where Walmart t-shirts no one needs Harley-Davidson's high-priced crap
For me its not over until the ceo and board members are fired or resign. I will support the local family owned dealers but not hd or corporate. I will go to the dealerships and attend open houses and rally stops but ill ride the old bike and buy aftermarket parts. I do that anyway because they wont work on 21 year old harleys. The ceo did this to the company, not the dealerships.
those dealers seem to screw people quite a bit, or quite a few Harley owners are just whiners
Now they still are 30% overpriced. 😅😅😅😅😅
You will sellout before People Who spend our hard earned Money The CEO Must Go or American Patriots will let Harley Go Broke .
Whatever happens to Hardley it doesn't even make my top1000 list of things I need to worry about. When you mentioned being for gay marriages it reminded me of one blokes reason for thinking it was a good idea. He said" why shouldn't they be as miserable as the rest of us".
The Internet is half Treasure Chest, half Toilet. I prefer the former.
what if you're surfing the internet while on the toilet?
Very well said this was an excellent video. Personally, I find these people that boycotted Harley Davidson, a bunch of hypocrites. They wanted their freedom to ride and their freedom to live the way they want, but they don’t want other people to have that if they’re different than them. I don’t understand why people are so hateful about who others choose to love. The worst part is it doesn’t hurt anybody if two guys are in a relationship or if somebody wants to become trans that’s their choice and they’re not making you have to do it. It just shows that the people that were suckered by this whole thing or a bunch of hateful small minded bigots, and people like that I don’t wanna deal with. I don’t wanna ride with. I don’t wanna be around. I don’t care if my writing person is person I ride with is gay straight, trans. Male female doesn’t matter as long as they’re a good person and I enjoy their company. But there’s so much hate these days directed towards everybody who isn’t a white straight evangelical Christian. America is about a mix of different cultures, different people different views and that’s why this is the best country on earth, have the best of everything but there’s people that wanna take that away and make it a fascist country forcing people to believe what they wanna believe those people are garbage. I prefer to see this is a free country so you’re free to be who you want to do what you want, as long as you’re not harming anybody else but hate harms. I’m Puerto Rican. I’ve dealt with racism from people like this all my life 50 years of being called racial slurs and being treated like I’m less than human by a minority mostly straight evangelical hate mongers, and racist. i’m kind of disappointed and Harley for them caving to this, but it’s there right to do that. It’s a shame that these animals win because they scream even if what they say is trash. The sad part is I’m sure a lot of those people are good people too, but they’ve been tricked their gullible and they’ve been manipulated and don’t even know it. It makes no difference to you and your choice of motorcycle if somebody else is different than you and chooses the same brand to anybody, but these racist homophobic bigots. But I don’t hate them. I just feel sorry for them because they’ve been trained and they’re following enroll that they’ve been put into they never understand how good it is to be kind to other people and to let them live their lives the way they want to. Sad place these days.
Money talks and bull 💩 walks. Once their bottom line takes a hit they usually change their tune. It’s good to see that customer still has a say.
No backdown till CEO & the whole board is out in tar and feathers
I'm disappointed that Harley backed down so quickly. I was enjoying this controversy. As I read these comments though, I do wonder how many of the posts are from people who actually ride Harley Davidsons. Harley might be misguided to think that the social media posts that they are upset about, truly reflect the sentiments of the Harley Davidson community.
Well said. Imagine people actually thinking with reason. Thank you. I hope that you, Brooke and your new baby are doing well. Best wishes from Manchester, NJ, USA.
CONTINUE the BOYCOTT! FHD! ✊️
You're right. Corporations have to do what they do. That is so far from the click mongers, it's silly. Some so-called influencer started this, looking for views. These are all so unrelated. Ride what you like, watch what you like. This channel gets my attention.
The influencer that exposed this did a good thing. Taking American jobs is a big deal. DEI, Woke is bad company politics, ask Bud. This ain't over.
Not over yet because they are still shipping manufacturing jobs to Thailand
and their assembling them with foreign parts here so?
@@tenacietripeam-og7vc Job, no Job!🤔
@@brianmorse8811 the shareholders Harley's leadership answers to don't care if you have a job, they care about gains, if they can build the bikes overseas and still sell them they will, why do you think all the stuff Americans spend money on are made in China? There's been a basic disconnect between companies and people for decades, corporations are a vessel to shield sociopaths from personal accountability.
Usually dont like oped peices that arnt in my own echo chamber. But you brought up some good points George Carlen kinda was cheating bcs he hits anything he goes after with precision of Robbin Hood at 25 paces. Thanks for your comments went great w my first cup of coffee this morning!
Nice video!
Trudeau, the senior, said it best in 1969, "the government has no place in the bedrooms of the nation."
I like your balanced approach, and I look forward to getting back to just talking about motorcycles!
Btw I have boycotted Harley Davidson for years. Just because I don't like their bikes and associated culture. Lol.
Take care.
I'm not so sure. The CEO remains and he is a confirmed progressive guy who will interject his ideology into the company. Same goes for the board. Do any of them ride a motorcycle?
you're really not familiar with corporate America and the various boards running the show, even Trump plays the game.
@@tenacietripeam-og7vc Trump is woke? GTFO. But I do know your typical C suite executive is very arrogant and stubborn. They hate when they have to bend the knee to smelly biker types. That's why they need to go.
Communist to the core. Anti American, anti capitalism. The fight has just begun.
I’m pretty confident that most CEOs of a company are not progressive. You don’t become a CEO by being progressive.
If I owned Harley Davidson, I would be making 60 hp air-cooled bikes that weigh 800 pounds, and look like Harleys did fifty years ago. Is that the type of bike that I, as a private person would ride - of course not. But that doesn't mean I don't know what's going to move in the dealerships.
Thanks for your thoughts and i agree so ride on brother
I like motorcycles.. i ride the best bikes i can afford.. that's all that matters to me. 😊
Harley received 89 million $$$ grant from the government to build electric bikes.
I can't believe hd paid that ceo 43 million
I bet they could have found a way cheaper progressive pos.
I live in the UK and watch all the political shenanigans in the US with fascinated interest.
Your video is well thought out...As a motorcyclist (Z900RS by choice) HD should have realized the risk of alienating their loyal core customers with these DEI policies. As a HR Director (one the work hats I wear) trying to prevent discrimination based litigation is usually the driving force behind such policies. A fine line to walk to be sure...but I have no doubt they will survive by either modifying or dropping the policies altogether and ultimately finding a new CEO...
And while they are at it, maybe just release the Bronx as well so we can finally have an upright American made (mostly) street fighter / naked bike???
Enjoy your content...keep them coming
No No No No. As someone who has been in corporate middle-management for long time, this is not middle-management at all, often time it's not the estaff either, it's some activist person who has a board member's ear. Very often times the board will hire their own advisors to influence policy within the company. Do not blame the middle and line management for this shit. We do not want it. We do not want to execute it. Our employees hate it. It's not us.
A wonderful video! Democracies are tearing themselves apart over "them against us" mentalities. The one thing that kills me is the controversy over where a bike is made. I know Harley promised to only sell bikers in America made in America. However, we all know they have been using foreign parts in their bikes for years. I would be much more upset if, after moving the RevMax bikes to Thai production, they do not lower prices for the U.S. customers. I love Harleys...I have been riding for 46 years and have owned a slew of bikes from all manufacturers, from Aprilia to Yamaha and all the makers in between. There are great bikes being made in many different countries. We are all part of humankind. I love motorcycles and the more folks around the world that ride, the better! Now, as for Harley's problems, they went too far and put themselves in the firing line. I do think the CEO needs to go. He has made too many mistakes, and not just things like DEI, etc., etc. He is totally out of touch with the H-D culture. He needs to pay the price.
Was doing some price checking on parts. and they have raised their prices about 20% from the most recent big book within the last month. Really bad timing.
Love your work, always so eloquent
Excellent piece of writing, but haters gonna hate, hate, hate ! There’s money in making aggravation porn and Meta is greedy for their views. Thanks for the update and an adult perspective on our now-normal dysfunctional state of politics and the identity confused H-D Motor Co.
Nice video. Cheers to Brooke and the baby. Brilliant choice will George. The US needs him now, well, so do we. "And get loaded"? , well maybe after you ride your machine,eh. Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
Thanks! Yes, it’s too bad George is no longer with us. He had some great insights including one on Harley themed restaurants.
Thank you very much for bringing a straight-forward, no-nonsense perspective to this subject. For myself, I just want to ride a bike (H-D for me) that works well and consistently, and a dealership with dependable service-people. What they look like or their personal preferences - total irrelevancy. Looking forward to more video essays, and Harley-Davidson continuing to abandon this self-destructive subject in the dust.
It came out on X this week that they (along with JD, and others) haven't backed off these programs at all... they're just quietly rebranding them. I made a commentary on this if anyone wants to check it out. None of this is new. It's been going on for 15+ years at HD.
Businesses need to stay completely out of politics 😡
how would they pander for profit then?
Starting with stopping the lobbying, they could drop their prices by 10 % by not paying ex politricksters billions to lie on Capitol Hill. Boeing, Purdue, Harley - cant say they did good with all the cash they spalshed
I agree.
Wait! HD will hire Dylan Mulvaney as their brand ambassador!
Excellent message
I find you a breath of fresh air.
Thanks!
Woke controversy is Not over until CEO an woke board members replaced. HD kept production in America! Reduce bike costs, then it will start Harley Davidson recovery!
Well put! I've learned a lot about the channels I follow from this nonsense. Good to see you being a voice of reason.
At 1:33, did you really run that STOP sign?
Thank you. The point of the video was less consequential. I also want to know the answer to your question.
After a review, it's quite clear, I was distracted by the narrative. Good catch!
I might have rolled it because there were no cars anywhere near the intersection.
Is that... wrong?
I mean it's an open intersection, and you see very far on both sides. Not sure about US/Canada but where I rode so far this is really not an issue if there are no cars.
Yep, you ran it. I thought that was rebellious and cool, rolling screw you!!!
Business and politics are oil and water. They just don't mix. A company that survived two world wars, the great depression, AMF, turbulent financial markets should know that business and politics is never a winning strategy. The boycott has already hurt Harley Davidson sales and show rooms are filled with gleaming new machines that are not flying out the door as they once did. I still believe Harley Davidson makes a great product. Just wish they had stuck to business and steered clear of politics.
If I had to say just one word about your video it would be Wisdom! 👍
But I have a little more to say.
The Heavenly Blues/Peter Fonda speech on Wild Angels made me remember that in Easy Rider George Hanson (Jack Nicholson's character) explains brillianty to Billy/Dennis Hopper that no one is free if they (their souls) are being bought and sold in the market. And he (Hanson) adds that those who are really free are andangerd by those who aren't.
Didactically, after that "potentially harmful" (to the greedy establishment) explanation the trio (Wyatt/Fonda, Billy/Hopper and Hanson/Nicholson) is attacked by extremists while sleeping near a bonfire on the roadside and the last one ended up beaten to death. Murdered by those extremists.
Regards from Brazil, a country that not in the same level of U.S., I guess, is also having problems related to political radicalism from the right wing and from left wing as well instead of thinking united about how to build a better, sane and balanced place for every citzen.
Maybe the treats to democracy are a symtom of a deeper Western World crisis.
Who knows? Only History will tell.
Meanwhile lets ride until even that little freedom is denied to us.
☮️ 🛣 🏍
The whole world is on the move and changing very very fast .. crazy really 😢
So are you telling me that Harley-Davidson is going to focus on building motorcycles? That sounds just as crazy as two opposing political parties fighting over policy and nothing else.
Nice follow up on a sensitive subject. I love to hear rational thought. I was a little surprised at how quickly Harley readdress the problem. Yes yes on the thought of riding a motorcycle for a good time in a stress release. I'm not typically a stressed person, but riding the riding the motorcycle is a good time. Better off-road, but on the street is fun as well.
Good job on trying to make sense, I loved it
Texas on the prairie
If they have not fired their CEO, then it is not over, just on pause.
Peter Fonda, man we want to be free. Ha ha
You are absolutely right the Internet is full of people wh just want to create controversy or stoke a fire for clicks if it’s not Harley it’s Bud or Disney or Star Wars or trans in sport and next week it will be something else it’s all just content and not to be taken seriously. Be nice and don’t ripple the pond just for the sake of it.
You the 🐐 for featuring Carlin
There was no change of course. There will still be enormous pressure to comply with these policies. Unofficially of course.
You have said a lot and explained. But really it all comes down to whats right and whats wrong. If you have a moral compass you know where you point. Really don't care about HD anymore. Or others that follow this that prey on kids. Hasta luego!
First, I have this thing about not being "tortured" for eternity. I'd like to see everyone saved from that demise. Support gay marriage and you're supporting eternal suffering for those participants. Read Romans, chapter 1. Follow it with a dose of Corinthians.
Secondly, H-D released a "word salad." Anyone who believed there was some sort of "victory" contained therein is easily swayed. Check out the board and CEO. Anyone missing? There's your answer. But if I were you, I'd address that eternal torture thing first. There are no breaks, second chances, or "re-do's" on that one.
Great video and I'd have to agree with pretty well everything you said
I keep seeing comments about Harley moving production overseas. The only news along these line that I have heard is that they are opening a plant for small motorcycles that are being built mostly for the Indian market. None of those motorcycles will be sold in the USA because they don't believe that there is a market for these small motorcycles in the USA. The largest will likely be under 500 cc.
Did I miss some news about this? Could you do a video on what Harley is doing related to overseas production?
You missed Harley's announcement about two weeks ago when they said ALL REOLUTION MAX PRODUCTION IS MOVING TO THAILAND! This includes the Pan America, Sportster and Nightster. The Revmax bikes will be shipped to and sold in the US! The employees at Harley-Davidson's Wisconsin plant know their days are numbered! ☠️
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I did not hear anything about the Revolution Max engines moving. Thank you for updating me.
I've been watching you for years and never commented, but when you put George Carlin on I have to tell you that you rock
Thanks! My favourite comic of all time.
They are lying the darkness is in power
Greed is the flaw that holds us humans back, and may result in yet another civilisation going under. But while the good times last we can ride our bikes, experience the freedom on the roads and enjoy life. For us "boomers" life today is looking like a dumb soap opera, things were propably not better before but at least shameful things were happening hidden from public view. The thing from the past that I miss the most are the good manners that were part of everyday life. They still exist though, in most of the riding community. Let´s continue with that!
Takes a Canadian to speak the American truth. But the ceo has to go period.
That's not always the case, there are a certain type of people I encounter that say, the moment I knew you were Canadian, I'm done and switched off 🤔
@@GManWrites Well a lot of Americans hate the French but simply put we wouldn't be a country without them. Canada is like Le French 2, the sequel. I'm down with anyone that knows what common sense is!
They'll still ride. They tied their entire life to a brand. What would they wear? The own Harley branded everything.
excuse my ignorance but I have no idea what HD did that inflamed people and honestly I didn't understand much about the video. Can someone tell me what exactly HD did? (please explain in easy language ;)
Boycott is not over. The workers are overseas now anyways.
Look at a typical HD dealership , huge building , I counted 11 employees on the floor no telling how many in service area the overhead has to be enormous . Overpriced eye candy that more and more can't afford . Woke owners saying they'll never buy another Harley , good pull that big ole' HD weenie out of your rear end and see how good it feels ! You'll notice 2 things .
.#1You'll find you can buy a better bike for less money.
#2 You'll find you can buy T-shirts ,riding jackets and pants, boots , wallets , belts , hats , bandanas even a cover for your bike for 30% of what you're used to paying but these won't say HD on them anywhere but no one will really care .
Boycott, sure, I'd boycott any motorcycle company that makes overpriced products and actually sells mostly "lifestyle" versus something truly competitively functional. That is, I mostly don't consider buying a Harley regardless of their politics because for my money, there are so many other better choices.
Incidentally, one has to wonder how many marks calling for Harley C-Suite heads have actually considered banding together, buying HOG shares and, voting them. Too busy fanning the culture war flames I guess, to notice that Harley is a public company and a free capitalistic economy gives anyone the right to buy shares and vote with them.
I wanted the Bronx; simple as. I don't have 30k to drop on a Softail/Bagger and although I do love the new Nightster, even the second-hand models are too pricey. The Low Rider line is far and away superior to the Cheif line imo, but with the Harley Tax increasing by the year... I dunno. I'm not at a point where I could drop that much on either brand tbh.
Right. You keep your head in the sand and be happy. How is your grocery bill doing?
In the 1990's and 00's it was considered too progressive to putting fuel injection and ABS on Harleys. Many said that they wouldn't be real Harley and they wouldn't buy them.
How does everyone think following a path of no fuel injection and no ABS would have worked out for Harley?
I had a 98 Electrica Glide Classic with FI.
So I'll offer some hopefully polite thoughts that both align and differ from your perspective:
If this issue is resolved--and it doesn't seem to be from the politically extreme comments and pledges of the CEO--it probably is only so because it was brought to the attention from UA-camrs to the actual grass-roots community and actual Harley riders. I wouldn't blame youtubers too much, even if the rage industry is a real thing. It's a small part of the politicization that was initiated into everyday life, consumerism, and work by the far left.
Ideally there should not be anything political about a motorcycle. I too look forward to a return to this. That might not happen until the EU ceases to disproportionately focus on motorcycle emissions, of all possible tiny things in the midst of behemoth causes of CO2. Unfortunately politics is an adversarial endeavor. One side does not cease it's extremeness until it is just too tired to push for unreasonable compliance.
By the way, the real libertarian position on marriage is why would anyone get government privileges in taxation, criminal due process, or many other areas just because they are recognized in a state sponsored marriage? That goes for anyone of any orientation. Many disadvantaged, disabled, and unfortunate people have never been married through no fault of their own. Saying that one additional group gets those privileges too is a nice gesture, but it has nothing to do with the real libertarian issue.
Good points. I look at marriage as more of a symbolic commitment of love between two people. I don’t ask for extra rights because I’m married.
I do think that incorrect behaviour should be called out, but once corrections are made, there’s no point in going on. These UA-camrs’ content is sensationalistic in a self serving way.
great social comment, keep it up
When I’m riding one of my Not a Real Bikes I meet the nicest H-D riders because the marks leave me alone.
When I buy something it’s because I like the product. I don’t care if it supports this or that or the CEO thinks this is right, that’s my reason for buying something. Long before social media, adverts influenced buyers not politics. Who cares. Just buy something because you like it not because someone else thinks something else.
It is not just about what bathroom you use.
All this is to desensitize the people just to take the next step. Look at what the already trying and also doing at kinder gardens and schools.