about ten years ago, my wife and i went to Pall Mall TN, which is on the Wolf River, driving down the road we saw a sign that said " this way to the home of Sgt. Alvin York" so i said we have to go. sure enough we get to a large house with property on both sides of the wolf river and read a sign that said the governor of TN had given the house to the York family upon Alvin's return from WW1. ihad to go to the front door, i had to knock, a gentlemen answered the door and invited us in! It was Alvin's son, Woodrow Wilson York. he gave us a tour of there house, then invited us to go "visit" his father in the family plot out back. it was amazing to just be there, in the home of a true American hero.
I worked at a Harley dealership for a while and got to serve York's great nephew. I jokingly asked if he was related to Sgt York because of his last name and he just nonchalantly was like "yep, my great uncle" xD I was like "oh shit dude, i was joking" hahaha
This must be one of the most accurate milsurps you ever shot at this distance. Beautiful rifle BTW. They are popular here in Holland. The Dutch Airforce used them right after WW2 so we have a lot of them. All in .30-06.
Don't get me wrong. I love all you guys, but it's really great to see Kevin opening this video. I can also almost hear Chad foaming from the mouth wanting to shoot that beautiful Enfield.
I have a M1917 Enfield ( P17) made by Eddystone 6-1918 with tailored ammo it will consistently print 1 inch groups at 100 yards. It is all military and still sports the original WWI bluing , most were reworked and parkerized for WWII service. These rifles are extremely accurate and well built they were a great rifle and served our military well.
IV8888...I've been subbed to your channel for quite some time now. I would like to see more of Kevin in the video's. I think he changes things up a bit, which is a nice change. Kevin, is knowledgeable about firearms, as well as he comes off as being very humble. I thought it was funny when Kevin said, the Enfield kicked like a mule, due to the chambering being 30-06 with a metal butt plate. Then he shoots the Enfield and you hardly see any recoil affect in his shoulder/body. Again, Kevin is a new face that fits in with the channel quite well. Aiding and contributing to the chemistry of the channel. Just my opinion, however I bet other viewers would agree with my assessment.
I totally agree with Rick S you should have Kevin on the show more often. Like when one of you is out of town, then the other and Kevin can keep the episodes coming even if it is just a history of a type of gun or a certain designers story.
Michael Harmon in the video when they do an overview of the rifle the barrel is marked 9-18 with the flaming bomb logo. That barrel is from September of 1918.
ahh hadn't watched it yet so I was mostly talking out my ass. my computer was updating and I didn't want to watch it on my phone so I went to the comment section while I waited for the computer to come back online.
In a recent trade I acquired a P14 with a rusted out barrel, It was a sporter made by BSA (it has their logo engraved on the action) and it had no rear sight 'ears' as the rear sight was on the barrel, which I had not seen before. Having been gifted a .308W barrel some 20-odd years ago, I did a bit of measuring and realised that I could machine it to fit the P14 action, with which I was familiar having owned p14s before. It only required a small alteration to the extractor to handle the rimless round.The most difficult bit to get right was putting a spacer in the magazine, altering the platform, feed ramp and receiver rails to get the .308 rounds to feed. I had to machine up a set of scope bases and fit them as well... not too hard. Got it all sorted out now so waiting for a fine day to take it to the range. 🙂
Now this is the sort of shooting I like to see. Six-hundred yards is where things start to get interesting. And I'm so glad to see that gopher finally get what he deserved.
I picked up one of these at an auction about a year ago and it has the smoothest action of any bolt action in my collection. Whoever had it before me took good care of it.
dbmail545 that's quite possible. it may have a tighter twist rate if it used 03 barrels reamed out for 30-06. Idk much about milsurp but generally 5r rifling and a tight twist work wonders
I have posted a couple times and came back to this video this morning after spending a week with mine...wish I could post pics, at 100 yards I was shooting through the same ragged hole many times, less than an inch with most shots. These rifles have been the most impressive I have seen them shoot really. Kevin didn't have the experience at 600 that Eric and Chad, but he probably did better than I would have at that distance on camera lol.
Amy J. Delevingne and with milsurp rifles, there's been many years and many wars fought with these guns...lots of variance in round count and maintenance of each gun. Like I have said in earlier comments, my 1903 is just pitiful and gives me a negative view of the rifle that so many claim to be the most accurate of US bolt guns (and rifles in general). I have an M39, 91/30s, a K98, K31, Garand, 30-40 Krag....and many others. And after all these years, my m1917 simply takes the cake when it comes to shooting for accuracy and distance in my own experiences. I don't have a Hakim or Ljungman rifle, but I have shot, owned or currently own many of the rifles that Chad and Eric shoot. In 30 years, none of them perform to the level the m1917 does for me. Could be also the gun "just fits" my body, who knows.
Kevin great gun, I own one. I'll give you some unsolicited advice as a firearms trainer for the last 3 years. The reason that you were all over the place is that you didn't follow the last marksmanship fundamental, follow through. You would pull the trigger and immediately drop your hand from the rifle and raise your head off of the stock. You end up moving the rifle the round leaves the barrel. Practice maintaining your cheek weld, pull your trigger straight to the rear and hold it there until the round has hit the berm and you will see improved accuracy. Good luck.
nit picky detail: this isn't a P17, it's a model 1917 "P" stands for "pattern" and is a British designation the P14 was the British rifle in 303 the P13 was the original version in 280 British/Enfield, that was supposed to replace the 303 it was a large, powerful cartridge, which explains the large magazine & sturdy action
These were heavily used in WWII for basic marksmanship training. My father who was in the USAAF Never qualified with a Garand. I have a pic of his Basic training CO with Enfield's. If I can find it I'll copy it and send it to the Boss. Best note ..Sgt York had one when he did his action to be awarded the MOH. He did not use a Springfield.
I have an M17 similar to Kevins rifle. While mine has good rifling but a dark bore, it shoots like yours , to the mark! I put the "cock on opening" striker in it awhile back, and I like it even more. Someone replaced the stock and refinished the metal years ago so she looks as pretty as she shoots. Good video!
My granddaddy gave me his Eddystone M-1917 in November 1971. It remains my favorite rifle to this day. He preferred his M-1903, but I love the balance (feels perfect for shooting offhand), sight picture, trigger pull and overall beauty of this fine weapon. It is a beast when the bayonet is attached.
YESSSSS!!! I friggin LOVE the M1917! One of my favorite milsurp rifles. The damn thing feels like a war club compared to other milsurp rifles. This was a cool video, thank you for posting it.
I have a .303 British Enfield and really enjoyed your video. My Dad bought the Enfield back around 1960 from WT Grant Dept store about 1960 in a surplus bin. He checked the bore, looked good to him. $15 bucks and out the door. I got 2 deer with that old rifle when I was a young man. Love the way it shoots!
This firearm has a strong action. I have a friend who has an old sporterized version built on an M1917 action chambered in 300 H&H. I have heard you can build a 505 Gibbs using this action.
Great video for a often overlooked war horse. I've got a sporterized 17 with a original barrel cut down to 22" and recessed target crown my grandfather and myself did with a dill and basic lapping tools in the basement. With choice hand loaded 170grn Sierra hp boat tails it will easily make contact @ 700yds(furthest I've shot this rifle) on 16" steel. The cool thing is inside the 600yd line it's capable of 1"moa and will consistently hold 5" groups or a little under at 500yds with the 100 year old original #'s matching barrel. To me that's the crazy yet fascinating thing about these rifles, everyone you hear talk about them hold them in high regards for accuracy and dependability along with being robust battle rifles. This is my first 17 but not my last. Thanks guy's for all you do and the clean family channel you keep.
I also have one in Remington. It's my second favorite millsurp I own, behind my 1893 30-40 Krag. My grandfather served in France with one and two 1911 Colts. I enjoy shooting the model of US 1917.
I have an Eddystone M1917, in excellent condition, better than this one. I hand load with Hornady ELD-X 200gr bullets. It is so accurate and reliably hit anything within 30/06 ranges. My most favorite rifle in my collection, partly due to it's reliability and accuracy.
The 'Murican Enfield. That action is amazing for speed. My Grandpa was issued his Enfield when he joined the Royal Canadian Engineers. Oh, you just blew my mind loading 7 into that thing. What!?
I love old Mil. bolt actions. I have an Enfield No. 4 Mk 3, .303 Brit, and I just love it. These old rifles were built tough and made to shoot forever and they do. I just found this channel, great stuff. Cold War Vet.
Ya know, when we see WWI movies, we always see our US troops with Springfields. The truth is that less than 1/4 of our troops ever got issued 1903's. Virtually all our armed forces in WWI were issued M17. Springfields, great rifles, were ripoffs of the Mauser. To the point that Springfield, even during the war, had to pay Mauser. Springfield were essentially sued by Mauser, and lost.
My former pastor at the time (about 1992 and he has since passed) had been friends with Alvin York. Alvin would actually stop in and stay at his home in Ironton Ohio. He left his slippers behind accidentally, and allowed the pastor to keep them. I remember as a kid looking at those slippers. They were like a red velvet type you would slip your foot in. They were pretty large lol. It was surreal as a kid to see those slippers and hear the stories about the man who had worn them. To my knowledge, my pastor gave them to a small museum in Ironton Oh which had a couple of other artifacts from Alvin on display. I don't know if that museum is still there or not. Anyway, just my little tidbit to pass along.
This is the first milsurp I bought after getting discharged in the early 90's. My best friend and I used it to shoot at a Garand Clinic/High Power Rifle Match in Ramseur NC so I could qualify and buy an M1 Garand from the old DCM. Everyone else had a semi. The P17 is a much better built rifle than the '03 and the '03A3. It is my favorite bolt action to shoot. The actions is smooth as any custom and the battle sights are amazing. And Eric, good job with the Sgt York history and getting it correct. Milsurps rule... Also, you guys impress me with the 600yd shots.
Great video. I'm not impartial. I have my Dad's two Eddystones and a Win. P14. One '17 has been Deer hunting with me since this yrs opening day. I love the American Enfields! Thanks!
I have pictures of my father undergoing basic training at Aberdeen Proving Grounds in the spring of 1942 and he was armed with the 1917 Enfield. I was able to handle one when in high school since our American Legion Post had some with which the fired the three volleys ate funerals. My first year in college ROTC we were taught drill and ceremonies with the M-1 and I was struck at how much its stock profile was so similar to the 1917 Enfield with that little bulge underneath the bolt. I always wondered if the design was influenced by the Enfield so that it could use an eight round clip rather than loading with the five round strippers. Keep up the good work
Eric said two shots to rule them all leading me to believe he likes LOTR I was just having a conversation with a buddy about fighting the battle of Helms Deeps with WW2 German hardware it was great fun and that reminded me of a good time when I really needed a happy thought thank you guys it's really appreciated
I love mine. Great sights, high quality manufacturing. It is a tad heavy, but that helps with stability. Mine is a Remington with a low 3-digit serial #☺. Very likely it never went overseas- in great condition. . Often on military contracts, the first few hundred are kept for awhile for reference and to verify spec, then used for stateside base or munitions plant guarding. I would love to try mine at 300 yds and farther. My club only goes to maybe 120. My No.4 Mk1 SMLE is very nice too, but i think i prefer this one. I need to give it some exercise. Great video. Looked like the breeze was causing some issues.
I love mine! Scrubbed ears and sporterized with a scope and an intricately carved stock, its a great shooter. Best of all it came from my Grandparents. One of my favorites in the collection.
These are great rifles, I really like my own (a Winchester variant), As you say, very accurate. An after market firing pin assembly called a speed lock is available for these. It converts the gun to cock on open and decreases firing time.
600 yards with open sites. Keven, you did fine. Anywhere near that gong is good shooting. Chad and Eric have been at it for a while. They have good days and bad days like everyone else. And i watch them all.
I own a P17 the only problem is after ten rounds the barrel heats up and then it won't hold centre, as Keven found out as he shoot last. The P17 in 30.6 is the first centre fire rifle I bought over 20 years ago and would not sale her for all the tea in China. Guy's love the channel and the work you do
The account of Sgt York picking off Germans that were advancing across no man's land wasn't done with his rifle but his M1911. By the point the final German Officer reached York, he demanded York to surrender, to which York asked who to surrender to. The Officer surrendered when he realized he was the last man standing of the party.
I was a very skinny 12 year old the first time I shot a 1917 Enfield. My first CF rifle. It was brutal, and I loved it. There is a way to rapid fire those. I've not tried it yet, but hold the bolt with your thumb and forefinger and pull the trigger with your middle finger. My g'father told me about that, and I have seen people doing it with the SMLE. The cock on closing allows you to do it. It is my favorite bolt action rifle.
I've had a Remington 1917 same rifle for about 17 years love it it has a weird two and a half power Leupold straight tube the adjustments are on the front and back mounts the scope is hooked on with a weird clip spring have no idea what it was been trying to find out for years no one knows but easily my favorite rifle that I have way underrated
I just acquired a model 1917 Winchester Carbine manufactured in January 1919 still in the cosmoline. I'm not finding anything on the carbine other than they made them. It has a 21 inch barrel and a Springfield 03 front sight. Iam in the process of "digging" the cosmoline off the receiver and out of the barrel the Serial number is among the last seven thousand Winchester 1917 manufactured. I am enjoying the many videos suddenly appearing on the Enfield model of 1917.
Someone may have already mentioned this but, in Kevins defense, I did see the rear sight elevation ramp moving under recoil. Nice shooting non the less.
My great uncle served in WWII and I remember maybe I was about 5 years old he showed me his enfield rifle that he took home with him. This gun basically sparked my interest in firearms and advocacy for the second amendment in the state I live in, which hates guns. Massachusetts.
one of these rifles my grandpa had sporterized in the 50s ended up being my first deer rifle, no scope just a Lyman peep sight! not a chance I'd ever part with it!!!
My grandfather gave me a 1917 sporter in .303. I love the sights and found it to be a fantastic rifle. A bit on the heavy side, but I would always take this rifle over my dad's 7600 in 30-06. He would try and convince me to take the 30-06 because it had an optic, but I would say, "no thanks dad, I got the best rifle around because pop-pop gave it to me"
Fun video guys... a few additions: a.) most viewers should realize that the lineage of this rifle was in fact German 'MAUSER' influenced w/ modifications vs. Brit. Enfield. b.) The reasoning on that extra round capacity in p17 .30-'06 in the magazine is NOT due to Brit. .303!!! it is because the pattern '13' was intended to use a .276 rimLESS cartridge having bigger in diameter case dimensions. Finally... good reasonings to have one for harsh Alaska cold or wet/dirty/muddy conditions is the cocking on close feature can 'spring-assist' so to speak with positive cartridge feed plus extraction... or firing under stress hot and fast.
My g'father was one of the original Belleau Wood Marines. I have verified this anecdote of his. Apparently a day or two before the battle started, there was a group of German officers watching them from about 1000 yards away. Bored Marines being bored Marines, started shooting at them. I do not believe anyone was hit, but they got close enough to make them scatter.
as us 1917 lovers say. in WW1 the 1903 Springfield got all the glory while the 1917 did all the fighting. the 1917 was so close to being the standard infantry rifle for the us but lost out because it was a British design. despite being far superior to the 1903
Probably the most underrated milsurp rifle. From a cost/performance AND history standpoint.... Contrary to popular belief these were more commonly issued than 1903s to US troops. Same thing with the 1917 revolver vs the Colt 1911. The stop gaps were used more than the 'real guns'! Anyway I think Lee Enfield fanboys would get an aneurysm if they found out the British were planning to replace it with a Mauser style rifle pre-WWI. Shhh dont tell them lol.
My Grandfather fought in WWI in the Army. He won a Silver Star and Purple Heart. When I was young whenever anybody mentioned Sergeant York, Grand Dad would fume! He told us that those Germans had already surrendered to Army units in front of York and that the Army had disarmed the Germans and sent them back to our lines. Grand Dad insisted that York simply killed a whole lot of unarmed German soldiers. The Marines gave York a medal to cover up the atrocity. That's easier to believe that all that Kentucky marksmanship. Oh well, history is history.
I was shooting my 1943 Mosin nagant yesterday and I actually had a casing split on me after firing it. I was surprised it didn't explode the chamber or anything.
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about ten years ago, my wife and i went to Pall Mall TN, which is on the Wolf River, driving down the road we saw a sign that said " this way to the home of Sgt. Alvin York" so i said we have to go. sure enough we get to a large house with property on both sides of the wolf river and read a sign that said the governor of TN had given the house to the York family upon Alvin's return from WW1. ihad to go to the front door, i had to knock, a gentlemen answered the door and invited us in! It was Alvin's son, Woodrow Wilson York. he gave us a tour of there house, then invited us to go "visit" his father in the family plot out back. it was amazing to just be there, in the home of a true American hero.
daniel boyd cooper Awesome!
I worked at a Harley dealership for a while and got to serve York's great nephew. I jokingly asked if he was related to Sgt York because of his last name and he just nonchalantly was like "yep, my great uncle" xD I was like "oh shit dude, i was joking" hahaha
Awesome story!
@Oskar Dirlewanger Be quiet.
The wind really picked up at the end that's why .
This must be one of the most accurate milsurps you ever shot at this distance. Beautiful rifle BTW. They are popular here in Holland. The Dutch Airforce used them right after WW2 so we have a lot of them. All in .30-06.
don't stress it kevin. somebody has to provide suppression fire.
Don't get me wrong. I love all you guys, but it's really great to see Kevin opening this video. I can also almost hear Chad foaming from the mouth wanting to shoot that beautiful Enfield.
I have a M1917 Enfield ( P17) made by Eddystone 6-1918 with tailored ammo it will consistently print 1 inch groups at 100 yards. It is all military and still sports the original WWI bluing , most were reworked and parkerized for WWII service. These rifles are extremely accurate and well built they were a great rifle and served our military well.
IV8888...I've been subbed to your channel for quite some time now. I would like to see more of Kevin in the video's. I think he changes things up a bit, which is a nice change. Kevin, is knowledgeable about firearms, as well as he comes off as being very humble. I thought it was funny when Kevin said, the Enfield kicked like a mule, due to the chambering being 30-06 with a metal butt plate. Then he shoots the Enfield and you hardly see any recoil affect in his shoulder/body. Again, Kevin is a new face that fits in with the channel quite well. Aiding and contributing to the chemistry of the channel. Just my opinion, however I bet other viewers would agree with my assessment.
Rick S or girls in bikinis
I totally agree with Rick S you should have Kevin on the show more often. Like when one of you is out of town, then the other and Kevin can keep the episodes coming even if it is just a history of a type of gun or a certain designers story.
I love the history Kevin brings to the table. great addition to the iraqveteran8888 team
Geez based on chads 600 yard group that rifle is shooting 1 MOA with a 99 year old barrel. Truth to the saying they don't make them like they used to.
Soylent Green unless the barrel was swapped in ww2 as many were.
Michael Harmon in the video when they do an overview of the rifle the barrel is marked 9-18 with the flaming bomb logo. That barrel is from September of 1918.
ahh hadn't watched it yet so I was mostly talking out my ass. my computer was updating and I didn't want to watch it on my phone so I went to the comment section while I waited for the computer to come back online.
Any Mosin can put every bullet in the same hole at any distance
+Joseph Stalin
I can miss any target with any gun at any distance every time - takes focused determination though.
In a recent trade I acquired a P14 with a rusted out barrel, It was a sporter made by BSA (it has their logo engraved on the action) and it had no rear sight 'ears' as the rear sight was on the barrel, which I had not seen before.
Having been gifted a .308W barrel some 20-odd years ago, I did a bit of measuring and realised that I could machine it to fit the P14 action, with which I was familiar having owned p14s before. It only required a small alteration to the extractor to handle the rimless round.The most difficult bit to get right was putting a spacer in the magazine, altering the platform, feed ramp and receiver rails to get the .308 rounds to feed. I had to machine up a set of scope bases and fit them as well... not too hard. Got it all sorted out now so waiting for a fine day to take it to the range. 🙂
Thanks for bringing in Kevin for this vid. He seems like a cool dude.
netflix netflix I don't know. He seems kinda shady to me.
Now this is the sort of shooting I like to see. Six-hundred yards is where things start to get interesting. And I'm so glad to see that gopher finally get what he deserved.
I been waiting for this video. This gun is underrated as fuck.
I picked up one of these at an auction about a year ago and it has the smoothest action of any bolt action in my collection. Whoever had it before me took good care of it.
Julian Hatcher always swore the M1917 was more accurate than the 1903 because of its 5-groove Enfield rifling.
dbmail545 that's quite possible. it may have a tighter twist rate if it used 03 barrels reamed out for 30-06. Idk much about milsurp
but generally 5r rifling and a tight twist work wonders
dbmail545 they changed the rifling in many of these guns. They still outperformed the 1903.
I have posted a couple times and came back to this video this morning after spending a week with mine...wish I could post pics, at 100 yards I was shooting through the same ragged hole many times, less than an inch with most shots. These rifles have been the most impressive I have seen them shoot really. Kevin didn't have the experience at 600 that Eric and Chad, but he probably did better than I would have at that distance on camera lol.
Amy J. Delevingne and with milsurp rifles, there's been many years and many wars fought with these guns...lots of variance in round count and maintenance of each gun. Like I have said in earlier comments, my 1903 is just pitiful and gives me a negative view of the rifle that so many claim to be the most accurate of US bolt guns (and rifles in general). I have an M39, 91/30s, a K98, K31, Garand, 30-40 Krag....and many others. And after all these years, my m1917 simply takes the cake when it comes to shooting for accuracy and distance in my own experiences. I don't have a Hakim or Ljungman rifle, but I have shot, owned or currently own many of the rifles that Chad and Eric shoot. In 30 years, none of them perform to the level the m1917 does for me. Could be also the gun "just fits" my body, who knows.
Amy J. Delevingne paid about $300 for my m1917 about 10 years ago. It's barrel is marked 9-18, two months before WW1 ended.
82nd airborne vet also an Iraqi freedom vet, I enjoyed your guys history with York, enjoy the videos guys.
What a beautiful rifle, great vid
One of WW1’s most underrated rifles.
Moar Kevin! Humorous, meek, and knowledgeable, he's a great addition to the videos.
Kevin great gun, I own one. I'll give you some unsolicited advice as a firearms trainer for the last 3 years. The reason that you were all over the place is that you didn't follow the last marksmanship fundamental, follow through. You would pull the trigger and immediately drop your hand from the rifle and raise your head off of the stock. You end up moving the rifle the round leaves the barrel. Practice maintaining your cheek weld, pull your trigger straight to the rear and hold it there until the round has hit the berm and you will see improved accuracy. Good luck.
For being a 2 year old comment, i must thank you. It has helped me be more consistent at longer ranges, best of wishes my friend
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I love Kevin's perspective on the history. It goes well with knowledge base.
nit picky detail: this isn't a P17, it's a model 1917
"P" stands for "pattern" and is a British designation
the P14 was the British rifle in 303
the P13 was the original version in 280 British/Enfield, that was supposed to replace the 303
it was a large, powerful cartridge, which explains the large magazine & sturdy action
actually 276 Padersen cartridge not 280
@@jurajokasa834 the 276 was intended for the P13.
These were heavily used in WWII for basic marksmanship training. My father who was in the USAAF Never qualified with a Garand. I have a pic of his Basic training CO with Enfield's. If I can find it I'll copy it and send it to the Boss. Best note ..Sgt York had one when he did his action to be awarded the MOH. He did not use a Springfield.
Good to see Kevin out there. Been too long.
Backwoodsboy405 Don't put Chad down. He's an excellent marksman.
A boy and his rifle. Feel the same way! Great way to mix things up.
I don't mind who's shooting, just as long as they are shooting guns and that they aren't useless.
I have an M17 similar to Kevins rifle. While mine has good rifling but a dark bore, it shoots like yours , to the mark! I put the "cock on opening" striker in it awhile back, and I like it even more. Someone replaced the stock and refinished the metal years ago so she looks as pretty as she shoots. Good video!
that's a shoulder bruiser for sure.
Not as bad as the 03, though. The added weight makes a difference.
Agreed, I have both and the 1917 is softer shooting. More accurate in my hands as well. The old girl turns 100 next year haha.
Mrgunsngear Channel my 1917 is actually one of the pussycats of my arsenal when it comes to felt recoil. Mostly due to its weight.
Mrgunsngear Channel cathal like you girl :)
Indubitably.
A trivial note on Enfield 1917 - the Remington company used the Enfield bolt action assembly for their civilian models after WWI.
My granddaddy gave me his Eddystone M-1917 in November 1971. It remains my favorite rifle to this day. He preferred his M-1903, but I love the balance (feels perfect for shooting offhand), sight picture, trigger pull and overall beauty of this fine weapon. It is a beast when the bayonet is attached.
Kevin's a natural good job 👍👏🇺🇸
YESSSSS!!! I friggin LOVE the M1917! One of my favorite milsurp rifles. The damn thing feels like a war club compared to other milsurp rifles. This was a cool video, thank you for posting it.
I have a .303 British Enfield and really enjoyed your video. My Dad bought the Enfield back around 1960 from WT Grant Dept store about 1960 in a surplus bin. He checked the bore, looked good to him. $15 bucks and out the door. I got 2 deer with that old rifle when I was a young man. Love the way it shoots!
I got my first deer with my 303 mo3
This firearm has a strong action. I have a friend who has an old sporterized version built on an M1917 action chambered in 300 H&H. I have heard you can build a 505 Gibbs using this action.
Great video for a often overlooked war horse. I've got a sporterized 17 with a original barrel cut down to 22" and recessed target crown my grandfather and myself did with a dill and basic lapping tools in the basement. With choice hand loaded 170grn Sierra hp boat tails it will easily make contact @ 700yds(furthest I've shot this rifle) on 16" steel. The cool thing is inside the 600yd line it's capable of 1"moa and will consistently hold 5" groups or a little under at 500yds with the 100 year old original #'s matching barrel. To me that's the crazy yet fascinating thing about these rifles, everyone you hear talk about them hold them in high regards for accuracy and dependability along with being robust battle rifles. This is my first 17 but not my last. Thanks guy's for all you do and the clean family channel you keep.
I also have one in Remington. It's my second favorite millsurp I own, behind my 1893 30-40 Krag. My grandfather served in France with one and two 1911 Colts. I enjoy shooting the model of US 1917.
I have an Eddystone M1917, in excellent condition, better than this one. I hand load with Hornady ELD-X 200gr bullets. It is so accurate and reliably hit anything within 30/06 ranges. My most favorite rifle in my collection, partly due to it's reliability and accuracy.
What is one like yours worth if you don't mind me asking?
@@sk8official around 1500-2000$ today.
The Audio sounds better than usual in this video hands down. Make all your videos like this from now on I love it!
The 'Murican Enfield. That action is amazing for speed. My Grandpa was issued his Enfield when he joined the Royal Canadian Engineers. Oh, you just blew my mind loading 7 into that thing. What!?
They finally did my gun! The one under my dads bed my whole life that he finally gave me as an adult. I love shooting it it's just so much fun!
I love old Mil. bolt actions. I have an Enfield No. 4 Mk 3, .303 Brit, and I just love it. These old rifles were built tough and made to shoot forever and they do. I just found this channel, great stuff. Cold War Vet.
Yes I like the long branch 303
Ya know, when we see WWI movies, we always see our US troops with Springfields. The truth is that less than 1/4 of our troops ever got issued 1903's. Virtually all our armed forces in WWI were issued M17. Springfields, great rifles, were ripoffs of the Mauser. To the point that Springfield, even during the war, had to pay Mauser. Springfield were essentially sued by Mauser, and lost.
I just bought one of these today!
Brings back some memories. my first non-22 rifle was a sportorized '17.
wish i still had it.
My former pastor at the time (about 1992 and he has since passed) had been friends with Alvin York. Alvin would actually stop in and stay at his home in Ironton Ohio. He left his slippers behind accidentally, and allowed the pastor to keep them. I remember as a kid looking at those slippers. They were like a red velvet type you would slip your foot in. They were pretty large lol. It was surreal as a kid to see those slippers and hear the stories about the man who had worn them. To my knowledge, my pastor gave them to a small museum in Ironton Oh which had a couple of other artifacts from Alvin on display. I don't know if that museum is still there or not. Anyway, just my little tidbit to pass along.
One of my all time favorite (if not favorite) bolt rifles of all time! Nice video. Please put Kevin in front of the camera more often!
Picked a Winchester one of those up 12 years back and never regretted it.
I was wondering if Kevin was ever going to make an appearance again after the cap and ball revolver video. Welcome back Kevin.
This is the first milsurp I bought after getting discharged in the early 90's. My best friend and I used it to shoot at a Garand Clinic/High Power Rifle Match in Ramseur NC so I could qualify and buy an M1 Garand from the old DCM. Everyone else had a semi.
The P17 is a much better built rifle than the '03 and the '03A3. It is my favorite bolt action to shoot. The actions is smooth as any custom and the battle sights are amazing. And Eric, good job with the Sgt York history and getting it correct. Milsurps rule... Also, you guys impress me with the 600yd shots.
Great video. I'm not impartial. I have my Dad's two Eddystones and a Win. P14. One '17 has been Deer hunting with me since this yrs opening day. I love the American Enfields!
Thanks!
I have pictures of my father undergoing basic training at Aberdeen Proving Grounds in the spring of 1942 and he was armed with the 1917 Enfield. I was able to handle one when in high school since our American Legion Post had some with which the fired the three volleys ate funerals. My first year in college ROTC we were taught drill and ceremonies with the M-1 and I was struck at how much its stock profile was so similar to the 1917 Enfield with that little bulge underneath the bolt. I always wondered if the design was influenced by the Enfield so that it could use an eight round clip rather than loading with the five round strippers. Keep up the good work
Eric said two shots to rule them all leading me to believe he likes LOTR I was just having a conversation with a buddy about fighting the battle of Helms Deeps with WW2 German hardware it was great fun and that reminded me of a good time when I really needed a happy thought thank you guys it's really appreciated
I like Kevin, seems like a down to earth guy. I think Eric and Chad need to do another video on the 1903a3 and take it out to 600 yards.
I love mine. Great sights, high quality manufacturing. It is a tad heavy, but that helps with stability. Mine is a Remington with a low 3-digit serial #☺. Very likely it never went overseas- in great condition. . Often on military contracts, the first few hundred are kept for awhile for reference and to verify spec, then used for stateside base or munitions plant guarding. I would love to try mine at 300 yds and farther. My club only goes to maybe 120. My No.4 Mk1 SMLE is very nice too, but i think i prefer this one. I need to give it some exercise. Great video. Looked like the breeze was causing some issues.
Do a 5 guns video about hunting rifles
Also good to see more Kevin on the Channel =]
I love mine! Scrubbed ears and sporterized with a scope and an intricately carved stock, its a great shooter. Best of all it came from my Grandparents. One of my favorites in the collection.
These are great rifles, I really like my own (a Winchester variant), As you say, very accurate. An after market firing pin assembly called a speed lock is available for these. It converts the gun to cock on open and decreases firing time.
Two thumbs up for Kevin, really liked his commentary!
600 yards with open sites. Keven, you did fine. Anywhere near that gong is good shooting. Chad and Eric have been at it for a while. They have good days and bad days like everyone else. And i watch them all.
kevin is a great addition to the channel. good work!
I own a P17 the only problem is after ten rounds the barrel heats up and then it won't hold centre, as Keven found out as he shoot last. The P17 in 30.6 is the first centre fire rifle I bought over 20 years ago and would not sale her for all the tea in China. Guy's love the channel and the work you do
I like the fact that your videos don't edit out the misses
Kevin did a great job introducing the video, would be great to see him in more videos.
The account of Sgt York picking off Germans that were advancing across no man's land wasn't done with his rifle but his M1911. By the point the final German Officer reached York, he demanded York to surrender, to which York asked who to surrender to. The Officer surrendered when he realized he was the last man standing of the party.
wow Kevin did a really nice intro on the rifle I really enjoyed it. Eric usually does them so it was fun to have him follow up for Kevin
30-06 hitting that gong from 600 makes a reeeallly nice report.
I was a very skinny 12 year old the first time I shot a 1917 Enfield. My first CF rifle. It was brutal, and I loved it.
There is a way to rapid fire those. I've not tried it yet, but hold the bolt with your thumb and forefinger and pull the trigger with your middle finger. My g'father told me about that, and I have seen people doing it with the SMLE. The cock on closing allows you to do it.
It is my favorite bolt action rifle.
11:39 u guys respect each other in a respectable way. Buddys for life. something people envy. Keep it up
My dad just gave me his for my birthday. I grew up shooting it. Love this gun.
I've had a Remington 1917 same rifle for about 17 years love it it has a weird two and a half power Leupold straight tube the adjustments are on the front and back mounts the scope is hooked on with a weird clip spring have no idea what it was been trying to find out for years no one knows but easily my favorite rifle that I have way underrated
That's it.
The Model 1917's coming out of the safe for my next trip to the range.
Great vid.
Mind also where it has been hiding for over twenty-five years because I have been playing with the 1903A3 Springfield...next range session.
Hey Kevin I enjoyed watching you in this video its not all about bullseyes I appreciate your love of the history.
I just acquired a model 1917 Winchester Carbine manufactured in January 1919 still in the cosmoline. I'm not finding anything on the carbine other than they made them. It has a 21 inch barrel and a Springfield 03 front sight. Iam in the process of "digging" the cosmoline off the receiver and out of the barrel the Serial number is among the last seven thousand Winchester 1917 manufactured. I am enjoying the many videos suddenly appearing on the Enfield model of 1917.
Someone may have already mentioned this but, in Kevins defense, I did see the rear sight elevation ramp moving under recoil. Nice shooting non the less.
My great uncle served in WWII and I remember maybe I was about 5 years old he showed me his enfield rifle that he took home with him. This gun basically sparked my interest in firearms and advocacy for the second amendment in the state I live in, which hates guns. Massachusetts.
Kevin seems pretty chill haven't seen him in any other video
So excited you guys got around to doing this video. Picked one of these up a few gun shows ago. Haven't had a chance to shoot it yet though.
one of these rifles my grandpa had sporterized in the 50s ended up being my first deer rifle, no scope just a Lyman peep sight! not a chance I'd ever part with it!!!
I wonder how many have actually looked at a target like that, through iron sights, at 600 yards. That's some fine shooting.
More Kevin. More Chad. More Eric. More IV8888.
Great video, lads.
NEVER FORGOTTEN, beautiful rifle, 30.06 unforgiving round, hard to believe in WW1 they use rounds like that but thanks for sharing!!
My grandfather gave me a 1917 sporter in .303. I love the sights and found it to be a fantastic rifle. A bit on the heavy side, but I would always take this rifle over my dad's 7600 in 30-06. He would try and convince me to take the 30-06 because it had an optic, but I would say, "no thanks dad, I got the best rifle around because pop-pop gave it to me"
Love watching you guys push the old bolt action milserps out to 600
Fun video guys... a few additions: a.) most viewers should realize that the lineage of this rifle was in fact German 'MAUSER' influenced w/ modifications vs. Brit. Enfield. b.) The reasoning on that extra round capacity in p17 .30-'06 in the magazine is NOT due to Brit. .303!!! it is because the pattern '13' was intended to use a .276 rimLESS cartridge having bigger in diameter case dimensions. Finally... good reasonings to have one for harsh Alaska cold or wet/dirty/muddy conditions is the cocking on close feature can 'spring-assist' so to speak with positive cartridge feed plus extraction... or firing under stress hot and fast.
My g'father was one of the original Belleau Wood Marines. I have verified this anecdote of his. Apparently a day or two before the battle started, there was a group of German officers watching them from about 1000 yards away. Bored Marines being bored Marines, started shooting at them. I do not believe anyone was hit, but they got close enough to make them scatter.
That old war horse still has a lot of life in it still, love it.
as us 1917 lovers say. in WW1 the 1903 Springfield got all the glory while the 1917 did all the fighting.
the 1917 was so close to being the standard infantry rifle for the us but lost out because it was a British design. despite being far superior to the 1903
Probably the most underrated milsurp rifle. From a cost/performance AND history standpoint.... Contrary to popular belief these were more commonly issued than 1903s to US troops. Same thing with the 1917 revolver vs the Colt 1911. The stop gaps were used more than the 'real guns'! Anyway I think Lee Enfield fanboys would get an aneurysm if they found out the British were planning to replace it with a Mauser style rifle pre-WWI. Shhh dont tell them lol.
Great job Kevin, like your style. Mighty fine shootin' Eric.
That thing hits like a hammer, gorgeous tool.
I'm in awe of all your shooting and this beautiful rifle
This rifle was actually more regularly issued than the 03, but the 03 got to be the poster-child.
You guys should do a video at 600 yards with a Mauser k98 that would fun as hell
Nice video! I am not surprised at what that rifle can do - built like a light tank.
Thanks for sharing!
My Grandfather fought in WWI in the Army. He won a Silver Star and Purple Heart. When I was young whenever anybody mentioned Sergeant York, Grand Dad would fume! He told us that those Germans had already surrendered to Army units in front of York and that the Army had disarmed the Germans and sent them back to our lines. Grand Dad insisted that York simply killed a whole lot of unarmed German soldiers. The Marines gave York a medal to cover up the atrocity. That's easier to believe that all that Kentucky marksmanship. Oh well, history is history.
I was shooting my 1943 Mosin nagant yesterday and I actually had a casing split on me after firing it. I was surprised it didn't explode the chamber or anything.
I absolutely love my M1917. Silkiest action I've ever had the pleasure to shoot, and an absolute pleasure to send rounds through.
I like Kevin. Would not mind to see more of him!
Thank for the Candrsenal shoutout love that channel
The look on Eric's face when he kept on stacking them in there at 600 :D
A real look of "what in the blazes is happening here..."
Love the 1917! In my opinion it's one of best looking milsurp rifles. Mine shoots just as good and has a 10/17 barrel
ERIC, amazing and surprising accuracy at 600 yds. IMPRESSIVE !! You can't do better with any weapon & iron sights.