1)Where is the Chinese man's chest voice? 2)Why does he seem to shy away from the high notes? If he had some leggiero in him at least he could easily enter his high range. 3)Why in his timbre do I hear an echo of "Comrades in Shanghai", "Peasants of Honghu Lake", or "United Together on the Long March"? There is no such thing as a "canzone with socialist characteristics." Either you feel the canzone and sing it accurately from your soul, or you don't. Undoubtedly, Jan Peerce has the much better version of this song here. If you want to hear this song done very well, then I suggest listening to Mario Lanza's version. His is simply the best, in my opinion.
Very good question, he won the international championship, probably because of the influence of his teacher, the voice lacks the MDM chest voice, he is like a Russian tenor, very little chest voice, such as the two Russian tenors I have introduced here, it is a singing style, but it has shortcomings, it is not perfect. I see you know China. I'm surprised. You can also hear Shanghai, and so on, of course Jan Peerce is better, Mattinata is not Mario Lanza's strong suit, his vocal, I have studied thoroughly. If you are a tenor, you will understand what I mean. In the later stage, Mario Lanza pressed the vocal cords too much and forced down the larynx, which became more and more unnatural. The sound and breath were very good, but the Italian Bel canto that I pursued was further and further away. However, he is singing English songs, and part of the opera, which is very good. But it's best not to be like him.
@@lisaszxu1961 1)Teacher, I must disagree with you about Mario Lanza. He is a great canzone singer. He sings with power and emotion and clarity and certainty when he sings a canzone, putting his very unique stamp upon it. He is one of my "go to" singers whenever I am learning a new canzone and want to hear different versions by different singers. I don't rate every one of his canzones the very best. But Lanza's "Mattinata" is most excellent in my opinion. Among the best I have heard. I am no pedagogue such as you are. But my ear knows what it is good, knows what people will like. 2)Yes, I am a tenor. My voice is beautiful, and with a full range. I know it is beautiful because other people tell me so. 3)Yes, I lived in China for more than twelve years. I have dabbled with some Chinese songs, including the national anthem and "Honghu Lake". I would say that I am able to proficiently perform "Honghu Lake"--with a little practice, of course!😁 Along the way I have listened to some other revolutionary "gems" as well😆. It is a genre, and as in other genres the songs take on a certain "sameness"after a time. That's why I swear I could hear a little bit of that patriotic fervor when the Chinese singer did "Mattinata". I heard it in his timbre. Such a man like him can never be a great canzone singer. He should be able to alter his timbre according to the necessities of the song. Instead, he is always "towing the Party line," and his timbre reveals that. This man can never be a great singer. Canzones were written for Italian tenors with great voices. They were the pop songs of their day, and with the right voice never completely fall out of fashion. I myself love to sing canzones and love to put my unique stamp on one. Just as other great tenors have done before me. I believe an opera tenor does not have a "complete voice" if he cannot sing the canzones well. There is no guarantee that a competent opera singer can sing a handful of canzones well. It's like apples and oranges. They are different. Jerry Hadley is a wonderful example of this. 4) I think Jan Peerce's version of "Mattinata" is competent, but nothing great. I am not on the edge of my seat listening, like with Lanza. I am also not a big fan of Peerce's voice. But I think he sings competently. 5) I can accept your analysis of Lanza pressing his vocal chords too much and thereby slightly forcing down his larynx. In Lanza's voice I sometimes hear what I refer to as the "leprechaun sound." When he talks on the radio sometimes he almost sounds like the leprechaun in those Lucky Charms childrens' cereal commercials from many years ago (find it on UA-cam). I have also heard a slight "leprechaun sound" in some of Jan Peerce's singing as well. Indeed, this likeness between both him and Lanza may have been what--at least subconsciously--led you to make a musical comparison of the two😁. What do YOU think Professor?
@@mickey1849 We are about the same age, so there's no need to call me "teacher." Just consider me a colleague who also studies tenors. Thank you for your comment. You are a person with a high level of vocal skills and have lived in China for 12 years, so you understand Chinese culture. However, I am surprised that you can feel the singing style of Shi Hong'e, which even a 60-year-old Chinese person might not necessarily perceive. I admire you greatly for your understanding of China as a Westerner. Lanza's "Mattinata" is excellent. I have believed this for 30 years, but now my opinion has changed, inspired by my research on Caruso. You could say that Lanza's performance has its strengths, that he sings this song with great passion. However, you could also see it as a flaw. It is not necessary to infuse every note with such unnatural intensity. To express emotion, there needs to be variation - moments of calm, peaks of passion, and lows. This represents the genuine emotions of a living person and real life. Caruso criticized this excessive breathiness in every moment and every note. I'm sorry, but I am certain you are unaware of this fact. Each note should be given the appropriate amount of breath, rather than using full body strength to forcefully inhale and exhale with every note. This excessive passion is similar to Schipa pressing his lips too much on the sound, or Beniamino Gigli excessively shaping his mouth like a trumpet to produce sound. These are mistakes that go against the art of singing. Who cares who you are? In these aspects, I sing better and perform better than them. Only then do I dare to criticize. It doesn't matter who you are - if it's wrong, it should be criticized! I only answer to Caruso and the Italian bel canto. I don't intend to comment on all your content, just enjoy these tenors. At least for now, I don't want to share all that I know with humanity. Just enjoy!
Jan Peerce!!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
1)Where is the Chinese man's chest voice? 2)Why does he seem to shy away from the high notes? If he had some leggiero in him at least he could easily enter his high range. 3)Why in his timbre do I hear an echo of "Comrades in Shanghai", "Peasants of Honghu Lake", or "United Together on the Long March"? There is no such thing as a "canzone with socialist characteristics." Either you feel the canzone and sing it accurately from your soul, or you don't. Undoubtedly, Jan Peerce has the much better version of this song here. If you want to hear this song done very well, then I suggest listening to Mario Lanza's version. His is simply the best, in my opinion.
Very good question, he won the international championship, probably because of the influence of his teacher, the voice lacks the MDM chest voice, he is like a Russian tenor, very little chest voice, such as the two Russian tenors I have introduced here, it is a singing style, but it has shortcomings, it is not perfect.
I see you know China. I'm surprised. You can also hear Shanghai, and so on, of course Jan Peerce is better, Mattinata is not Mario Lanza's strong suit, his vocal, I have studied thoroughly.
If you are a tenor, you will understand what I mean. In the later stage, Mario Lanza pressed the vocal cords too much and forced down the larynx, which became more and more unnatural. The sound and breath were very good, but the Italian Bel canto that I pursued was further and further away. However, he is singing English songs, and part of the opera, which is very good. But it's best not to be like him.
@@lisaszxu1961 1)Teacher, I must disagree with you about Mario Lanza. He is a great canzone singer. He sings with power and emotion and clarity and certainty when he sings a canzone, putting his very unique stamp upon it. He is one of my "go to" singers whenever I am learning a new canzone and want to hear different versions by different singers. I don't rate every one of his canzones the very best. But Lanza's "Mattinata" is most excellent in my opinion. Among the best I have heard. I am no pedagogue such as you are. But my ear knows what it is good, knows what people will like.
2)Yes, I am a tenor. My voice is beautiful, and with a full range. I know it is beautiful because other people tell me so.
3)Yes, I lived in China for more than twelve years. I have dabbled with some Chinese songs, including the national anthem and "Honghu Lake". I would say that I am able to proficiently perform "Honghu Lake"--with a little practice, of course!😁 Along the way I have listened to some other revolutionary "gems" as well😆. It is a genre, and as in other genres the songs take on a certain "sameness"after a time. That's why I swear I could hear a little bit of that patriotic fervor when the Chinese singer did "Mattinata". I heard it in his timbre. Such a man like him can never be a great canzone singer. He should be able to alter his timbre according to the necessities of the song. Instead, he is always "towing the Party line," and his timbre reveals that. This man can never be a great singer. Canzones were written for Italian tenors with great voices. They were the pop songs of their day, and with the right voice never completely fall out of fashion. I myself love to sing canzones and love to put my unique stamp on one. Just as other great tenors have done before me. I believe an opera tenor does not have a "complete voice" if he cannot sing the canzones well. There is no guarantee that a competent opera singer can sing a handful of canzones well. It's like apples and oranges. They are different. Jerry Hadley is a wonderful example of this. 4) I think Jan Peerce's version of "Mattinata" is competent, but nothing great. I am not on the edge of my seat listening, like with Lanza. I am also not a big fan of Peerce's voice. But I think he sings competently.
5) I can accept your analysis of Lanza pressing his vocal chords too much and thereby slightly forcing down his larynx. In Lanza's voice I sometimes hear what I refer to as the "leprechaun sound." When he talks on the radio sometimes he almost sounds like the leprechaun in those Lucky Charms childrens' cereal commercials from many years ago (find it on UA-cam). I have also heard a slight "leprechaun sound" in some of Jan Peerce's singing as well. Indeed, this likeness between both him and Lanza may have been what--at least subconsciously--led you to make a musical comparison of the two😁. What do YOU think Professor?
@@mickey1849
我跟你差不多年龄，不比叫我老师。把我看做研究男高音的同事就可以了。
谢谢你的评论，你是一个声乐水平很高的人，又在中国住了12年，了解中国文化，但是我对你，能感受到施鸿鄂的那些歌唱风格，而感到惊讶，即便是60岁的中国人，也不一定有这种感觉。我很佩服你。我对一个西方人这么了解中国，很佩服。
Lanza's "Mattinata"是很好，我30年都这么认为，现在，有改变，那是我研究卡鲁索受的启发。
你可以说他有优点，说他这首歌唱得很有激情。
也可以把他作为缺点，每一个音符没有必要这么不自然地用足感情，你要表达感情，要有一个起伏，有平稳，有激情高潮，又有低落的时候
，这才是活生生的人的感情，现实生活。他这种每时每刻，每个音符过多的气息，这是卡鲁索批评的。
对不起，我断定，你肯定不知道这个事实。
要给每个音符恰到好处的气息。而不是每个音符，用足全身力气猛吸气，猛推进。
他的这种过度激情，犹如Schipa嘴唇过度贴上声音，Beniamino Gigli过度把嘴做成喇叭形发声，这都是违背歌唱艺术的错误，我管你谁？这些地方，我比他们做得好，唱得好。我才敢批评，你是谁，不对，都要批评！我只对卡鲁索负责，对意大利美声负责。我不想一一评论你的内容，只是享受这些男高音吧。
至少，我现在不想把我知道的，全部告诉人类。享受吧！
@@mickey1849
We are about the same age, so there's no need to call me "teacher." Just consider me a colleague who also studies tenors.
Thank you for your comment. You are a person with a high level of vocal skills and have lived in China for 12 years, so you understand Chinese culture. However, I am surprised that you can feel the singing style of Shi Hong'e, which even a 60-year-old Chinese person might not necessarily perceive. I admire you greatly for your understanding of China as a Westerner.
Lanza's "Mattinata" is excellent. I have believed this for 30 years, but now my opinion has changed, inspired by my research on Caruso.
You could say that Lanza's performance has its strengths, that he sings this song with great passion.
However, you could also see it as a flaw. It is not necessary to infuse every note with such unnatural intensity. To express emotion, there needs to be variation - moments of calm, peaks of passion, and lows. This represents the genuine emotions of a living person and real life. Caruso criticized this excessive breathiness in every moment and every note.
I'm sorry, but I am certain you are unaware of this fact. Each note should be given the appropriate amount of breath, rather than using full body strength to forcefully inhale and exhale with every note.
This excessive passion is similar to Schipa pressing his lips too much on the sound, or Beniamino Gigli excessively shaping his mouth like a trumpet to produce sound. These are mistakes that go against the art of singing. Who cares who you are? In these aspects, I sing better and perform better than them. Only then do I dare to criticize. It doesn't matter who you are - if it's wrong, it should be criticized! I only answer to Caruso and the Italian bel canto. I don't intend to comment on all your content, just enjoy these tenors.
At least for now, I don't want to share all that I know with humanity. Just enjoy!
@@lisaszxu1961 会写中文你啊！ 我明天读。 这边弗罗里达州快到三点早晨。 我必须睡觉。 晚安！