Monarch Airbus A320 A321 wind shear double go-around crosswind landing attempt Birmingham airport
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- Опубліковано 15 січ 2010
- Monarch a321 doing a very late go around from about 1 metre above the runway. On second attempt wind-shear was encountered and it went around again and diverted to East Midlands. The winds that day were gusting to over 25 knots.
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WOW! That really was quite a crosswind. Good footage and good pilotage!
That's at the eastern end of the field, Steve; at the western edge the main Birmingham/Coventry road (A4500) forms the boundary.
The yellow flash you see early on looks like a concrete lorry going towards Cov.
As they teach you in flight training: If you have any hint of doubt in the landing, go around. Good on these pilots.
Awesome bit of footage. I have seen some wild crosswinds at Launceston airport where I live and have seen a video of a DH-114 Heron taking off from there and being blown sideways to the paralell runway. I will try and find it and upload it.
Guys; you need to realise that 3-3/1-5 at BHX was a compromise; the 'field opened in 1939 when 06/24 was the main runway and 33 was little more than a taxiway to the old terminal.
When jets came on the scene in the '50's, 06 wasn't long enough, and there wasn't enough room to extend between the A45 and the railway; the only option therefore was to extend 33 to the line of the A45, which is now under review for extending still further. That's why it goes up/downhill; 06 is fairly flat.
Very cool video. I love the Dash-8 crosswind landing. I hope to one day fly one of those.
Well captured! Great video
When you're talking about a low-cost carrier, Museman, every single penny counts. You may well be right about the weather NOTAMs - I know my uncle always looked for alternatives beforehand, but that might have been because petrol was in such short supply right after the war.
I flew for Brymon for the last 3 years of my flying days, and we had to keep to a strict regime where alternatives were concerned; there were only three airports where we could refuel - that sort of focusses your attention!
Great footage man!
0:19 WOW ... B737 hadnt problems :DDD Great video
Great video, really nice quality...what camera were you using?????
thanks for sharing this man, im student pilot and footage like this one teach me that we have to go around as many time as we need, specially crosswind landing.
Did you get your Pilot's Licence?
@@TRPGpilot yes sir currently CFII & MEI
Great video!
Nice work!
Nice video... I heard a A320 family pilot say that the 321 is a really hard plane to land in crosswind beacuse of the fuselage length, and that the a319 is very nice in this conditions
always great to see pilots putting safety first and going around. if i ran an airline, one company policy would be 100 € to the pilots for every go-around, no questions asked.
@trpgpilot
you did good, safesty first, theres no room for mistakes in aviation!
awesome vid!
Did he land the aircraft in the end??? great footage, not often you see go-arounds at birmingham Thumbs up!!!
OK, read all the previous posts from pilots and Pillocks, but are props or jets easier to land in severe crosswinds from a control point of view ?
I haven't flown a Turbo Prop so I've not experienced this first hand but friends who are Dash-8 Drivers claim it to be rather unnerving and definitely not something to be taken lightly (effects of prop disc) . The extra momentum however in a jet is something I have found helps over lighter aircraft. Dash8's and similar sized turbo props must definitely be a fun ride in nippy cross winds!
@rarabb Thanks for the suggestion of getting to know some professional pilots. I know a few already and hold an ATPL myself so I am not completely oblivious to what goes on out there. Whilst the vast majority of professional pilots might not abuse this system, I am sure a handful might. It's just like pilots know the '8 hour bottle to throttle' rule, yet you still occasionally hear of some being arrested at the controls of their aircraft - confirming that not everybody works by the book!
While everyone seems to be shocked, you seem to be having a nice time! xD
I wouldn't do it specifically with a Dash 8. Those have had a bad track record with landing gear malfunctions as it is.
With most airliner models you are right. They usually can take a certain level of landing gear punishment. There's plenty of youtube videos around that are a visual testament to that.
first dash pilot very skilled
He did indeed, Steve - in much the same way that I suspect you too have local knowlege of the Elmdon/Bickenhill area. So where did you come from before you became an afficionado of the land of plastic and chrome?
that gust of wind at 1:06 made the A321 sink very badly
The strength of the wind is making the plane fly sideways, they still fly in a straight line just at that weird angle due the the crosswind.At the last moment before touchdown the pilot hit the rudder and the plane a lines with the runway.
OHHHHH :O the 3th airplane!!!
cool video !!
That dash 8 landing is the most ridiculous landing I've ever seen. Hats off to the pilots skill but crazy for a pilot to attempt a landing like that..
I have flew from Birmingham many of times, and look at the runway it's rough, lets hope they re do it all when they extend it
Jonny96, this is very true! Totally different responce from Boeing 737 NG for e.g.
Okay, all things relative, but I'd say that a jet has the edge in these conditions; quite apart from the "density" (for want of a better term) of a jet vis-a-vi a turboprop, you also have the effect of the prop disc to contend with when the wind stops being your friend. When the wind starts gusting from variable quarters, the autopitch senses the changes and alters the pitch with surprising speed; this can be enough to cause VERY unstable flight. Jets don't have that problem!
is it the strength of the wind that's making the plane look sideways
Amazing video! Huge like!
Thanks!
I need to upload some more like this.
What airline was the 737NG?
where were you parked?? never knew u could get so close to runway there.. what road is it ?
good stuff!
On that day the one that diverted was G-OJEG, A321-200. Capt Mervin Evans
The A45 (Coventry Road) runs past the other end of the runway, so probably just a truck something like that going down the road.
beautiful video 💗💞❤️💜
Thanks for watching!
Very nice indeed :) What ehere the winds that day.? Attached a couple of cokpit videos I think you would like into the Faroe Islands :)
Thanks, your videos are also quite interesting.
Wow! I love to fly and never once have I been scared on an airplane, but this would scare me to death!
It's actually quite the contrary! The lighter you are, i.e. small planes, the more you bounce around in gusts... The heavier the airplane is, the more stable it will behave in gust. Compare the C152 and the C172... Not much of a weight difference, but the C172 is much less succeptible to gusty winds than is the C152...
@Goair18 he did the 2 missed approaches as seen in this video then diverted to Nottingham East Midlands Airport.
@fmjsk8er
yes you got that right. I once did a go around at about 10 to 15 feet in a 152 with flap 30 from a short field landing practice. My instructor thought I was ok but it started to wobble a bit and I thought no lets do this again! cost me an extra 1/10 on the hobbs though :-)
Crazy vids. I was on a candair regional jet and we pulled out of our approach pretty close to the ground. But nothing like these planes. I've been on some pretty wild landings. This can't be a very common occurance. If I was on one of those flights id be asking the airlines and airport wtf happend
You can certainly tell who the the real stick and rudder pilots are here.
I would guess its Ryanair since that mostly is the only airline operating 738 out of Birmingham... bmibaby use 733.. Only exception is KLM that use the 737 and 738 to birmingham,but the body on this 737NG looks white,and seems like a dark colored tail :D
I would imagine the passengers in these planes, they must have shit in their pants.
great video, thanks for sharing!
It's a little bit harder when you have a 440 ton aircraft with 200+ lives in your hand, Not only that but a small plane is alot more maneuverable in windy conditions, And alot slower, and you have alot more runway in comparison to a 737 / a320 to play with, So, I think you'll find it's alot harder to land a big aircraft in these conditions than you may think
@FelipeBR777 they're both pilots of reasonably sized aircraft. no 'manufacturer' is any better in pilot terms then the other one. *(period)*
where is this place????
1:06 dangerous windshear!
Can you still view the runway easily ? Cos if you park at the side of Cardiff Airport you are moved on all the time. No filming there now.
@oktal3700 yeah, but that runway has a hill in the middle.
Windshear from 1:08 to 1:11. It just drops out of the sky; bet there were some queasy stomachs on board!
in this video the 737 pilot nails it in 1 touch rather than those from monarch!
Um, aren't runways supposed to be FLAT?!? I know it's the visual compression caused by a long telephoto lens, but it's still not flat! Crazy.
why on earth is the runway so uneven?
Doesn't look like a calm breeze, though. Look at the crab angle, man...
gr8 pilot
Let's face it. Most of these pilots are very skilled.
Indeed they are, especially in those challenging conditions. Thanks for watching.
@@TRPGpilot I love to watch the video of how they bring the aircraft into the turbulent winds, and make wonderful, almost surgical adjustments with air speed, power, rudder, flaps, ailerons as they descend onto the landing area. At times, the fuselage has as an almost excessively oblique side angle in relation to the landing strip, then when all three landing gear points make contact with the ground, the plane straightens out, and the rudder moves back and forth to counter the wind forces as the plane slows down safely.
@@lorenzoparedes2306 You should try recreational flying one day, you wont look back!
@@TRPGpilot Thanks. That is one of my dreams, though I do suffer from acrophobia (?). During the Viet Nam War years, I wanted to become a Navy pilot, but according to their paper and pencil exam, I didn't have enough mathematical skills, though I was informed I had better than average flight aptitude. Ces't la vie. I have visited the National Air and Space Museum in Washington D.C., and I am awed by the aircraft there, particularly a twin engine propeller driven, double tail, 5 or 6 seater model that I would guess is from the 1950s, parts of its fuselage gleaming aluminum, and parts a beautiful bright yellow. It looks like you could lower it to the ground, lubricate all its joints, charge the batteries, put oil in the sumps, fuel it up, and take off down that wide parkway along the Smithsonian Institution.
awesome
Gusty crosswind landings are hard no matter what aircraft it is. The engines are completely irrelevant. The Dash 8 got a decent break in between gusts.
@rachelshappyendings.... I find that difficult to believe, surely if you are going to build a runway, the contractors job is to flatten it out first, not just slap down a bit of tarmac.
Dam! the winds don't like the Dash 8
is it just me or can you see something wizzing off in the background exactly at 0:19 ?
i've seen that vid too. you're right :)
It looked like windshear at 01:09, he aborted the third attempt because he fell to fast.
Most airlines divert at the first attempt, though. Or they have such good weather information that they divert before even trying...
Could be a charter - Pegasus?
Safety comes before penny!
the pilot could have landed a bumbpy landing, or even worse tragedy..but giving safety the first priority is of prime importance
I'd blame the stick control. The boeing and the dash did a good job while the airbus struggled. Well thats my view any way.
Airbus + crosswind = bad day! So many of my mates love flying the airbus, but as soon as you get a crosswind above 15-20kts it becomes a dog! Absolutely no feedback through the side stick!
Plane drifting, i like it.
anyone know the reg of that Monarch?
When it started to Go Around the second time thats when I would of said to the pilot " OK, you can let me out here"
Flybe Dash 8 easiest to land because of the high wing layout just like a cessna caravan
Pretty sure its got a red tail. Could be a charter.
Yes, you're right...but as you can see airbus' fly-by-wire didn't help very much this time :-)
nice..
Passenger safety is paramount.
The moviemaker can laugh,but i bet he wouldnt laugh when the plane he is on overrun the runway because the pilots have the attitude: We are are putting this bird to the ground no matter what...
wtf is with the runway??
You don't see the flaw in that system?
some´s wrong with the runway orientation.
@ 15 - 22.
Thats as long as you would want to spend in Birmingham.
He ended up landing at east midlands instead!
I know the larger plane will be more stable, What i meant was if you're in a light aircraft, the plane in general is more Maneuverable, and responsive, easier to get out of a sticky situation, Plus the fact you don't have the pressure of having 200+ lives in your hands :P
@rarabb I don't think your airline would last very long. You would offer €100 to your staff for each of their go-arounds without asking questions? With this in mind, do you not think that some staff might abuse this system, just to get a nice bonus? And where a go-around is necessary, it could be a while before the aircraft gets another opportunity to land. Money wasted on paying pilots for go-arounds as well as the countless number of delays are sure to run your company into the ground.
The planes seem to be floating around and being chucked around like balloons
@stu130576
Sheldon country park just off Mackdown lane
@mikey0118 OK sorry for being a bit cocky. it may not be the smartest idea after all. but i still think most pilots would regard it as an expression of corporate culture, and it may make the difference between an unsafe landing and a goaround one day.
another aircraft touchdown to hard too, so that's must be a difficult day to land
QUE VIDEO IRADO, =) VAI PARA OS MEUS FAVORITOS
fico imaginando os passageiros dentro do avião kkkkkk
Virgin Train??
... dangerous x wind... scary!
How can a pilot does not land the AC in just 25 knots gusting i did circuits in 25 - 27 knots gusting conditions in da-40 and the landing was excellent according CFI
Do please upload your videos of you landing your DA-40 in 25 knots. Your channel has no videos . . .