That corner was going so smoothly until… Why riders crash in corners.

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  • @MCrider
    @MCrider  Рік тому +8

    Here is an interesting fun fact...the music used in both crash compilations at the start of this video was created by AI specifically for this video.
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    Aside from when I created the video that is the first time the music used in both clips has EVER been heard. In the AI tool you set the mood, tempo, instruments, and length of the song and the AI tool spits out several choices that fit your request.
    ...and now you know.
    Here are the links used in today's video:
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    www.MCrider.com/Corner
    www.MCrider.com/TrailBrake
    www.MCrider.com/Corner-Tips
    www.MCrider.com/Corner-Explained

    • @chris2790
      @chris2790 Рік тому

      As interesting and neat as this is, AI is a race to the bottom for society.

  • @lynnsample4549
    @lynnsample4549 Рік тому +36

    Two items that have worked well for me over the years. Head and eyes up. If you can't see the exit, ensure you're going slow enough to make a forever curve.

  • @torquer9669
    @torquer9669 Рік тому +21

    Good advice. I also like the concept of 'just slow down'. Works for me and keeps me within my skill level. ☮

  • @roberthansen9876
    @roberthansen9876 Рік тому +2

    Whatever you want to call it, you should be comfortable with braking in corners when you need it. It is normal to be afraid of touching the brakes in corners when you first start riding, but if you are riding at normal speeds, you have a lot of brake left even while cornering. For example, even at a lean angle of 30 degrees, which is quite a bit of lean and generally the limit of most bikes other than sport bikes, you still have 80% of your braking force left. What you never want to do is grabbing the brake too fast. That applies whether you are going straight or in a corner.

  • @AnotherBangaTV
    @AnotherBangaTV Рік тому +1

    Facts! Listen to this man. I learned my lesson the hard way.

  • @rogersmith5371
    @rogersmith5371 Рік тому +1

    In my experience (over 250k/kms on a variety of bikes) and from watching other riders there are a couple of factors that stand out as causes of problems when cornering. The most obvious one is failure to ride to the conditions of the road, the weather and the bike you're on. The second is over confidence in one's own ability and the bike's ability. That leads to not understanding some of the physics - you can't properly brake when the bike is already in the corner or curve - braking works best when the bike is going in a straight line so apply the brakes (front and rear) and change gear before you go into the corner or curve. Slow down as you approach not when you're in the curve. It follows from the first two points that this can lead to taking the wrong line in the corner or curve and then applying the wrong response to correct or the correct response but too late. Speed is always an issue - going into the corner too fast because of points I made above.

  • @muhumuzalucky5589
    @muhumuzalucky5589 Рік тому +10

    Representing Riders from Uganda. Thanks for the great knowledge that you are imparting on our safe longevity and pleasure on the two wheel babyz.

  • @josephcoloso2847
    @josephcoloso2847 Рік тому +1

    Hope we in the Philippines can also buy your products especially your amazing Caps.

  • @johnnyboots481
    @johnnyboots481 Рік тому +1

    That bagger in beginning looked good until the engine guards hit the pavement and created a pivot point. One of my fears when I lean,I scraped mine once and lucky it didn't lift wheels off the ground. I've even thought about removing the guard so I can stop mentally worrying about leaning.

  • @cjd954ify
    @cjd954ify Рік тому +1

    I ride my 2016 CVO ultra probably way more aggressive than most and I definitely tend to use trail braking most of the time.... I also use more throttle to push myself to the outside more coming out if I dove in too deep

  • @theprodigalstranger5259
    @theprodigalstranger5259 Рік тому +2

    i feel bad for the guy on the white Harley. He has become the new downhill skier on the wide world of sports intro.

  • @boscodog4358
    @boscodog4358 Рік тому +9

    Excellent video Kevin
    In my elderly years I have become paranoid about cornering. Mainly because of my spine and neck becoming stiff.

  • @topherdalrymple6535
    @topherdalrymple6535 Рік тому

    Another great vidio Kevin. Thank you. See you on the road.

  • @jacksgl777
    @jacksgl777 Рік тому +6

    God has definitely saved me a time or two. I remember early on riding with a group and in keeping up didn’t take a corner well with my Dyna low rider. I swear I was 1/4 inch from going off the road around a curve telling myself you got to go faster (in order to lean enough and lean more than comfortable) in order to get through this curve or you are going to die (or not be feeling good at minimum). Somehow God got me through it.

  • @muriuwangai3617
    @muriuwangai3617 Рік тому +1

    I listen to this content alot from Kenya and has sharpened my skills especially counter stearing. It's soo magical I came to discover.

  • @evanb479
    @evanb479 Рік тому +1

    thanks kev 👍

  • @chrisrestifo7010
    @chrisrestifo7010 Рік тому +1

    I've been watching many of your videos Kevin. As I have some motorcycle experience, but haven't rode one on many years I consider the tips and videos a good start refreshing my knowledge. The local college offers a MSC as well , which I plan on extending. I also drive a heavy truck for a living. What I have noticed is that the proper skills to employ are very close with both bikes and trucks. Braking into the apex and accelerating out, looking into the turn, scanning the road for hazards, conveying your presence, escape routes, being aware of your surroundings etc.. not to mention a healthy dose of common sense! Thank you for what you do!!! Your efforts are much appreciated!

  • @b05296
    @b05296 Рік тому +5

    A million years ago, a road racer friend of mine taught me to brake to compress the front suspension and then lean the bike over maintaining the suspension compression while easing off the brake. Before learning this I was pogoing the front suspension up and down every time I entered a corner, not smooth at all.
    I never knew that this was trail braking. But it felt really smooth and fast.
    Like you said, if you're carrying too much speed into the corner, you can always brake a little harder, brake a little longer, or put a little more countersteering in.

  • @jayjackson597
    @jayjackson597 Рік тому +2

    one thing I learned is , the fork angle has a lot to do with how a bike behaves in a turn, on my old Honda Ascot, it had more angle to the fork legs, like the dirt bike it was based on. so that gave me more room for error, and being mostly a dirt rider at the time it was easier for me to adapt because it had been a long time since I had a street bike. so a while back I decided to get a street bike again after not riding street for a number of years and I got a sport touring bike. the angle on the forks is much more vertical than my Ascot , therefore the steering input happens a lot quicker and I almost stood it up in a corner and ran it off the road. the more vertical the rake of the forks, the closer the front axle is to the pivot of your triple clamps, the faster your input happens, after a while I adapted and used a little more subtle inputs to the bars. you ever hear someone refer to the rake and trail? you ever look at a chopper with the front wheel way out there? it seems like when they move the forks back and forth the wheel looks like it's just laying over rather than turning, then you look at a sport bike the wheel actually looks like it's turning left and right, if you project a line from the end of the forks to the ground, then do a vertical line from the front axle to the ground, the longer that distance is, the slower the steering, this is what they are talking about when they refer to the rake and trail. just a little suggestion for anyone getting a new bike, might be something to look for

  • @tomyoung3087
    @tomyoung3087 Рік тому +1

    Lol. Thanks Kevin, I watched your cornering videos a while ago, and finally understood what Trail braking really is. Before that I had no idea, I had heard of it but for some reason the term Trail braking made me think people were referring to the rear brake , maybe that’s just me but I find the term misleading. Anyway after watching your videos I was educated and began trying it out. It really does work well in certain situations, usually when I mess up in entry speeds in corner, which is not often as I am by no means a speed demon on the road,LoL,but we are all human and make mistakes. It really helped me out then.

  • @murraehaynes3182
    @murraehaynes3182 Рік тому +1

    Search, setup, smooth

  • @judeschexnyder8008
    @judeschexnyder8008 Рік тому +6

    Fear based cornering crash - happened to me. That's how most road speed cornering crashes occur, although many riders fail to admit that fact.

  • @TennRides
    @TennRides Рік тому +1

    Great video, Kevin. One of the most misleading topics I hear when brand new riders ask a "seasoned rider" with 3-5 years of experience, hahaha, is using the front brake in a curve. When they say it is absolutely fine to use the front break in a twisty, with no further clarification, I cringe. I always picture that new rider entering a curve too fast for their skill level and then grabbing the front brake too hard, and go high side into a tree, because that "seasoned rider" said they could use the front brake. Glad you cleared that up for them. Always a thumbs up.

  • @michaellaughery6411
    @michaellaughery6411 Рік тому +2

    Love the content, always good and helpful. I hear your voice when out performing the things you talk about.

  • @Scottie8740
    @Scottie8740 Рік тому +3

    There is a motorcycle training facility near my home. Their course is in a wide open shopping center parking lot and I don’t think they have exclusive rights to the area. I think I’ll stop in and ask if I can stop in and do the box while they aren’t holding classes.
    Think I remember the hard right from a full stop causing me difficulties during the original training course. I don’t think that’ll be difficult for me anymore but it would be interesting to see how I would do now. Unfortunately, I don’t see any advanced training courses in my area.

  • @wadeblake3451
    @wadeblake3451 Рік тому +1

    I must say Kevin this is one of the more informative and comprehensive aka eclectic discussions on cornering I ve come across. Thank you. IMO the key factor in successful cornering is a combination of technique and confidence. Your comments on instructional track riding/practice is right on. It’s hard to gain the necessary confidence without the practice. I try to take at least one high level training program each year in addition to regularly going around cones in parking lots. The two track based instructional programs I highly recommend are California Superbike and Yamaha Championship Riding School.

  • @snatr
    @snatr Рік тому +1

    Thanks!

    • @MCrider
      @MCrider  Рік тому +1

      Wow! Thank you Gary!

    • @snatr
      @snatr Рік тому

      @@MCrider Thank you Kevin 😉

  • @brucesantacory1390
    @brucesantacory1390 Рік тому +2

    i've been riding and racing since i was 5 never understood why people have the issues they do in corners, i watch the video's here on you tube on many of the channels like yours, and a newbe i get, but i have watched some people with 20 years experience run off the edge of the road or lowside like the while streetglide in the beginning of your video, What improved my turning was several MSF classes, but also prospecting and joining a Motorcycle Club you'll learn to ride or Die in a club riding 70MPH handlebar to handlebar for 100 miles at a shot, it's not for the weak at heart, my prospect time i was white knuckle riding more often than not, by the time i was patched it was what it was, but it gave me a hard core lesson in motorcycle control. lol

  • @TheP47thunderbolt
    @TheP47thunderbolt Рік тому +3

    Great video Kevin. Great lesson and given in a very tasteful way.

    • @MCrider
      @MCrider  Рік тому +2

      Thank you kindly!

  • @brettcreech3490
    @brettcreech3490 Рік тому +3

    Thanks Kevin your front wheel is like a gyroscope.😎

  • @jimfarnell5813
    @jimfarnell5813 Рік тому +3

    Great video, Kevin… in a future episode could you talk about choosing proper cornering lines? I know late entry & late apex based on surface conditions are important in better navigating corners… Here in East Tennessee I see riders constantly enter early & therefore apex early, making an otherwise “medium” turn very tight & unnecessarily difficult… another tip I would add is use head & eyes with proper breaking while driving your car/truck… practice ‘til you get it right, keep practicing till you can’t get it wrong…

  • @douglasradowick508
    @douglasradowick508 Рік тому +1

    Kevin, thank-you SO MUCH for the verbal AND visual explanations of SLPR and trail braking. Your visual "display" brings clearity to your verbal explanation!👍🏍️ Great work done( 4:28-5:08 mark)! Now to finish watching the video. Doug🏍️👍🐻🧸🤓😇

  • @eddcurry1245
    @eddcurry1245 Рік тому +3

    Important information.

  • @Apollo949
    @Apollo949 Рік тому +1

    I never realised I did trail braking until I saw your video about it. Only later did I realise that I do use that technique, but I usually use the press and roll method about 90% of the time.

  • @jmead6121
    @jmead6121 Рік тому +1

    awesome MC Rider ....@ 66 yrs ole I still Ride almost daily & never herd about trail breaking & or Counter steering till last few years when I discovered You Tube ....but after i learned the terminology ..Ive been doing both from my natural instinct I guess Trail Breaking & also counter steering but i usually lean into the corner not by pushing but on the bars but i always seem to Pull of the opposite bar ..aks same difference I guess but that just me

  • @algee0218
    @algee0218 Рік тому +1

    That beginning music is the chef's kiss of intros!

  • @berkayguner
    @berkayguner Рік тому +1

    12:17 - 50 pencing 😄👍

  • @pilotdane1
    @pilotdane1 Рік тому +1

    KEVIN - I always watch EVERYTHING you put out. Really nice touch by including some videos of riders dropping their bike, or not making the corner. Perfect !!! - and it does NOT have to be "graphic" - If you know what I mean.
    Cheers !!!

  • @DavidSmith-br4vt
    @DavidSmith-br4vt Рік тому +1

    Happy Friday Kevin thank you so much for the information you give to us and keep reminding us so that we will rideSafer hopefully take care have a blessed weekend

  • @tomrox8921
    @tomrox8921 Рік тому +1

    see you on the road

  • @chonkyb3134
    @chonkyb3134 Рік тому +1

    Great video! Will be ordering soon !

  • @dustinanderson7285
    @dustinanderson7285 Рік тому +2

    East Texas has a whole bunch of corners baaabbbbyyyyyyy!!!!

  • @ddekeno1
    @ddekeno1 Рік тому +1

    Enjoyed this, and thanks for the links

  • @michelelord9438
    @michelelord9438 Рік тому +5

    Thank you again for a good video! I would have like to hear when and where trail-breaking is a poor choice. My experience is when suddenly the tarmac turns to gravel in a corner, or corners are grimey, you would have had a better chance with the first technique explained... When I ride in the countryside and know that there tend to be more dirt on the road, or those roads turn to dirt roads unexpectedly I tend to adhere to the first method. However in town, when traffic is also denser and faster I prefer trail-breaking. Does it make sense?

  • @tokyo_orbit1625
    @tokyo_orbit1625 Рік тому +1

    ... another good video with needed info. Thank you Kevin.

  • @ronladuke7235
    @ronladuke7235 Рік тому +2

    The value of trail braking becomes very evident when mountain riding, especially in downhill corners. Slow look press and roll it is easy to run wide on downhill curves?

  • @chickenfriedrice2932
    @chickenfriedrice2932 Рік тому +1

    Thank you so much Uncle Kevin!

  • @Scottie8740
    @Scottie8740 Рік тому +3

    0:26 towards the house… that is unfortunate. Looks like they could hurt themselves trying to get that back up.

  • @andrespabloviacava7861
    @andrespabloviacava7861 Рік тому +1

    Hi, sometime I used a little pressure on the rear break and at the same time a little more throttle and so we get more traction and make it easy to lean more

  • @thedude2601
    @thedude2601 Рік тому +2

    Tire air pressure has been a concern for me in cornering. I met a Michelin rep when I bought my PR 6's last Fall and she knew all about riders, like me who add a few extra pounds of air if they're not going to be riding for awhile and significant changes in altitude or temperature (90 degrees in Aspen) that increase tire air pressure enough to keep the tires from optimum gripping in the corners. Always interesting and informative, thank you.

  • @glennmiddleton5634
    @glennmiddleton5634 Рік тому

    Counter steering.really Important to understand. Bikes have a big gyroscope that wants to stay put. Pressing on the handlebar causes the front wheel to lean the bike. Try demonstrating a kids toy gyroscope. Thanks, Kevin.

  • @DwnRange
    @DwnRange Рік тому +1

    Question here: I'll be 69 yo in a few days, was a 24/7/365 day a year rider of what dad affectionately called "a leg-breakers" for over 35+ years in Houston, Texas - that said I retired in 2013, moved back to the family farm to care for my parents and other than taking my grand-kids for for rides on country roads my riding days slowly diminished - the last time I rode my old 2005 Kawa 1600cc Nomad 900# cruiser was around 2020 on a quick-trip to town for some parts and I first noticed the actual 900# weight and my lack confidence/upper shoulder strength, (ie... diminished skill level) and it made me very uncomfortable feeling my age. I have not ridden since.
    When do we get too old to ride a big ole leg-breaker?

  • @brianlittell6322
    @brianlittell6322 Рік тому +2

    Love your videos , keep up the good work. Wish you kept your Goldwing..lol
    What ever you ride . Is good with me.
    I love you emblem on your hats. Just not big on the hat...Them big ole plastic adjustment is out dated like us... I'm 57
    Anyway. I would like to have one but on a stretchy band. Small , medium, & Large....much nicer to wear backwards when riding and doesn't blow off like the old school ones....just something to ponder on......I'm sure you sell them the way they are .... EVERYONE CAN WISH

  • @MrkBO8
    @MrkBO8 Рік тому

    What do you think of your xtool?

  • @roystenzel80
    @roystenzel80 Рік тому +1

    How much different is it with linked ABS when using front brake which includes rear brake?
    I set my suspension when I begin to enter curve but I’m off the brake sooner then your description.

  • @barryweaver8833
    @barryweaver8833 Рік тому +1

    No. 1 reason for running off the road is because nobody really knows "COUNTER - STEERING" bottom line. Every time I watch it happen on a video is the rider turning the front wheel the wrong way. Trail braking is also good but mostly when cornering really fast.
    Funny how everyone you talk to about counter steering they will say ah yeah I know, but then run off the road in front of you, so no they didn't.

  • @userXm7-xm7bz8ki4s
    @userXm7-xm7bz8ki4s Рік тому

    Dallas Area, any recommendations on classes or dirt riding training?

  • @aldolajak1267
    @aldolajak1267 Рік тому

    Even before watching the video, I'm going to speculate as to the cause of cornering crashes, and posit on how to avoid them. For me, it comes down to: Stay OFF the front brake, and use the rear brake !!!!!!

  • @jimraley6340
    @jimraley6340 Рік тому

    "Patches?! We don' need no steenkeen patches!" ;)
    For any Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid fans....

  • @milodebruin4821
    @milodebruin4821 Рік тому

    What is the bike in the thumbnail?

  • @beepbop6697
    @beepbop6697 Рік тому +1

    0:46 the most used Harley crash video. That guy is famous for being so smooth during the crash. 😂

  • @allencampbell3195
    @allencampbell3195 Рік тому

    "You can't go into a corner too slow and you can't come out too fast": An old saying that's pretty close to the truth, wouldn't you say?

  • @williampurvis3927
    @williampurvis3927 Рік тому

    What! you got front brakes!? all kidding aside,Sir you are a credit to your gender.i take heed in all of your wisdom. Thank you....

  • @OnenThomas-cw7py
    @OnenThomas-cw7py 7 місяців тому +1

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  • @defenestrationfan
    @defenestrationfan Рік тому

    Gravel is another good reason riders crash in corners!

  • @thereplacementfordisplacement

    Trail braking should be natural not something special. Practice braking, you should be able to use front or rear brake whenever you want, no goofy rules. If you see gravel or something you will have skills to get the most out of braking before letting off to clear gravel or slick spot.

  • @rahowardjr
    @rahowardjr Рік тому +2

    Yep the only time I have to trail break is if I am surprised by the corner! Pay attention out there everyone!