Chaos Corona 10 for 3ds Max and Cinema 4D - New features
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
- A quick overview of some of the new features in Chaos Corona 10 for 3ds Max and Cinema 4D.
Read more and download now: corona-renderer.com/features/...
00:00 - Intro
00:10 - Artistically adjust cloud lighting using Direct Color in a Corona Sun
00:18 - Manage complex scenes with Listers, accessing Cameras, Proxies, Scatters, Displacement, and Lights (Lights, Light Materials, Corona Suns, and Corona Skies)
00:24 - New Depth of Field Highlights solver for better quality blurred highlights in DOF
00:36 - Faster Material Editor in 3ds Max
00:48 - Cameras can now be inside, fly through, or be partially submerged in a volume (Volume Material, OpenVDB, or Phoenix Simulation)
01:08 - Affect only particular channels using Corona Decals, e.g. affect displacement only
01:15 - Try Corona - Наука та технологія
This update has a lot I’ve been missing, camera through volume, shared color correction or triplanar, colored clouds, thank you!
You are most welcome and thank you too for the kind comment! Nejc (in the name of the entire team)
Please make "move up / move down" function in render elements list to organize massive projects!!!
Howdy! For feature requests we'd really recommend posting them over on our forums in the appropriate section as it makes it easier for us to track things there as well as the opportunity to ask you for more details if needed :) It sounds like a useful request indeed! Nejc
the single triplanar / randomizer is big thank you!
that's..... more like a minor bug fix than a new version
Yep, they have been doing it since 6-7, total joke now
I totally agree
I've started to think that Corona being behind V-Ray in terms of features is just part of Chaos plan. Why would you have your main products competing against each other anyway? We expected more from a new release to be honest.
We respectfully disagree with your assessment and see a world where both renderers live in harmony whilst catering to their own crowds :) Nejc
@@ChaosCorona When the truth is so blatantly obvious your choice to "Disagree" becomes disingenuous, Smoke and mirrors all the the name of milking the consumer
Gorgeous!!!
To be honest this is not I expected from major update. For example, you can add aerial perspective like in vray, because corona fog is VERY catastrophic slow. And current simple aerial perspective works differently (you can't even change a color of this fog, lol). This is a very important feature in archviz compared to other changes. And this is just one example
Yep ... just try to do foggy volume lights with high directionality ... might as well buy a supercomputer. I wish they would at least implement reasonable controllable fake for this if they can't improve perf. ...
Well, we really are sorry to hear you feel like that. Unfortunately it is hard to always hit the nail on the head for every single user because everyone has different priorities. We do try though and in this release we did checked quite a few of the things you, the users, have requested.
If you do have feature requests please do think about posting them over on our forums (forum.corona-renderer.com/) where we can keep an easier track of them and also get in a discussion about the whys and the hows. Nejc
For things like volumetric light and fog I wish Corona would allow for GPU rendering of those elements. I get the whole "CPU render is more accurate" but for such cases accuracy is not the problem. Absurd render times are the problem. I know a ton of people will be switching to other engines like UE5 if things stay stale with Corona. A hybrid render solution is absolutely adamant in my opinion.
@@Real_MisterSiryes I really think so
Another release with minor upgrades, just like 3dsmax itself. At this rate, we will be at corona 19 in a few years and still be using forest pack instead of regular scatter, the pattern modifier still won't display geometry in viewport and corona material library will take forever to load. Guys really... There's so much low hanging fruit you could focus on and get fixed in no time... Instead we get cameras flying through volumetrics... Have you heard of post? It's quite a something in terms of rendering time.
No hard feelings tho. Just a bit of disappointment 😢
wWith the advances that unreal engine and blender make... i think that somehow these renderers become less relevant with every update...
@@danny3man GPUs are getting bigger upgrades every year compared to CPUs. same goes for the render softwares. GPU renderers are moving ahead to the future while CPU renderers are at their max potential already. soon we will all be rendering with IAs anyway.
@@audioLME Yup pretty much. I'm using a 13900K with Corona and it feels great, but then I open up Unreal Engine 5 on my 4080 and Corona just feels like a complete joke in terms of pure workflow productivity. When I am sitting making adjustments to lighting, materials, assets - it feels so bad having to sit and wait for minutes to get a good representation of the final outcome, while in Unreal it is literally being done in real time without having to render anything.
Corona really needs to integrate hybrid rendering where GPU is also being utilized. Volumetric calculations is a big thing.
I was expecting more for a major release.
Finally proper night lighting
I'm not digging your solution for the triplanar and uvw randomizer maps. Wouldn't it have been easier to connect the uvw or triplanar BEFORE the bitmaps? This way you continue connecting the map directly to the main material and it is not so complicated to know which node corresponds to which. The materials in slate mode looks massive due to so many connections...
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And Chaos Vantage??
Thank you, Please add some sort of RTX boost to speed up render ..
A very silly suggestion.
@@huseyinesratahtac2350 yeah but you got the point. some others liked it and got the point too
Development will took years to have good results for Gpu, but we expect for these years more important improvments with CPU
@@Sergij_Vari And we HAVE been asking them for years to develop GPU support, yet they constantly refuse. Look at the industry now, everyone switching to Unreal and other engines that actually care about what people need.
Being CPU exclusive is utterly outdated by today's standards, and if Chaos had listened years ago, we would not be in this position today. The more they wait, the worse it becomes for them.
@@huseyinesratahtac2350 Why is it silly? It's a very valid suggestion that has been proposed literally for years.
I think, with all due respect, that it's about time that Corona allows for hybrid rendering that utilizes both CPU and GPU in the render pipeline. For things like volumetric calculation, light scattering, etc, making use of GPU would be incredible. I know it is a big shift, but in light of where the industry is pushing, I really don't see how render engines can exist by only using one type of hardware for rendering., especially when it's the slower variant (CPU) and real-time (or near real-time) rendering is achievable with near identical quality to CPU render.
I love Corona in general, but one of the main reasons I often consider switching is due to how little of my PC's total performance is being utilized, and how much productivity I am missing out on. My 4080 is just sitting at idle, at most it can be used for elementary denoising, but knowing all that computational power is simply sitting unused, hurts. Especially when many other engines allow for GPU utilization, and when I compare to productivity in an engine like Unreal 5 for example, it's getting harder and harder to justify paying for- and using Corona in the future.
I love the intuitive nature of Corona and how it integrates directly into Cinema 4D, but when the alternative is both free to use, and also has a superior asset library and much better performance workflow, I can't see myself sticking with Corona if things don't change soon.
Yes, I agree. GPUs are the future of computing.
DOF looks good. Somehow overall render feeling is now more like V-ray..? Maybe these products merge together someday and we have Chaos Render.
Very very good suggestion.
I guess it's just 'cause that's an animation.
If they do merge, it will be less 'Chaos Render' & more like a 'Chaotic Renderer'! 🤣
@@wetiot Exactly, leave Corona alone, Vray! 😂 I went through Hell with Vray for so many years till Corona Saved me and brought me to Heaven! 😂
@@brixcosmo6849 ... Precisely. Vray Hell! 🤣
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Hello! This time around the focus was more on workflow improvements but that said the new DOF improvements do speed up those close up renders where you've got a lot of bokeh happening. The speed ups we measured were quite noticeable so be sure to give it a spin :) Nejc
What was the reason to call this new version? I expected much more updates
Money
This is not a major update, couple of bug fixes and then they audacity to literally double the subscription.
Oh you guys only got that now? I got the subscription doubling about half a year ago or so.. Shit's wild. No actual benefit, just a straight up higher cost. It's like they actively want people to leave Corona behind.
We need render history like that one in the v ray frame window
Howdy! We'd really like to encourage you to post feature requests over on our forums (forum.corona-renderer.com/) as it is easier to keep track of things there plus it also makes it easier to discuss these things. Appreciate the response! Nejc
Toon shader like vray and having the ability to make an object not reflective in a specific object like v-ray. Been asking for about 5 versions and still have no idea why it's not a really simple addition that will make life so much easier for everyone. There's no downstide to having either and they're both desperately needed in product visualisation and arc viz
Sorry, when I say toon shader I mean the toon render element that adds a pencil line around the edge of each object, not an actual material.
Some things are not as simple as they seem, but also we have always aimed for Corona to be about photorealism, and we have to balance many requests - we have a blog post on the art of balancing what to work on next blog.corona-renderer.com/behind-the-scenes-the-corona-renderer-development-process/ . All requests are considered, weighed up, but it does remain an art and not a science! Thanks, Tom
@@ChaosCorona having these options doesn't take away "photorealism", it just adds additional tools for certain technical challenges we face.
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long time octane user here, what's the speed of corona like in comparison? Haven't found anything able to beat octane and it's denoiser
Hello there! We'd suggest downloading Corona and running it in trial mode (corona-renderer.com/download) which can be active for 30 days and without any limitations. This way you can test drive it as you see fit. Render speed comparisons between different render engines aren't trivial to get right but it should still give you a good idea of how things work on this side :) Nejc
cameras flying through volumetrics :D yeee
If you're working with volumetrics a lot this can indeed save you a lot of time. We are definitely happy to see the excitement about this one :) Nejc
Great ,, just need more love for C4D ..
Corona for C4D is tracking Max very well! Honestly, C4D doesn't need to have exactly the same things as 3Ds Max has! Corona has a bigger job with Max because the program is very old and it has a very patched code, the interface sucks! C4D is more modern and doesn't need, for example, a list of corona lights like MAX has, you organize everything in the C4D objects panel, something that Max doesn't have! C4D didn't even need a Corona Scatter, you could use Cloner or Matrix to solve that!
good
aaaaah camera through volume, thank you, no more link a box with slice material to the camera. Love the decals too.
Can we get Layerd materials in Multi Sub please!
Thank you! Glad you find them useful, we look forward to seeing what you create using them :) Tom
@@ChaosCorona you guys have any plan for layered material inside multi sub material?
How to make "night sky"?
Could someone explain, in which case more better to use 4k solver? Probably could you share the link for Help, because I tried to find out, but have no success
By and large you can use 4k cache as your default. It generally has faster precalc times and might be even more precise in certain scenes.
That said, there are a few corner cases where it might produce some slight artefacting or be a bit slower. Because of that we still have it labeled as "experimental".
If it helps knowing though there are a lot of people in Chaos that always default to using 4k cache these days :)
Hope that helps! Nejc
@@ChaosCorona Thanks for reply! I'll try to use it.
I had made a maxscript to add multiple Triplanar or Uwv to a material with bezier control, it would still be released, now part of my maxscript is obsolete because of this update hahaha. Well, I'm going to modify it to make it easier to add new maps and improve the workflow.
Could you share your script after?
@@Sergij_Vari Yes! I'm formulating a package of scripts that I'm going to release soon, there's a lot more, they're going to be free. Wait, keep an eye on scriptspot and other places I'll post.
Thanks to the Corona for many happy years, but perhaps Unreal is waiting for me
i'm struggling with this questions also but in terms of realistic render for now, it has to be Corona.
@@pondeify
Realistic - yes, right now - is also possible, but the near future belongs to interactive visualization and here the Corona has problems
@@pondeify Realistic, yes. But you can get within 90% in Unreal and your workflow is 10x better because you can actually monitor your adjustments in near real time, rather than having to wait for minutes for the Corona active-render to do the most basic task possible. Also forget about anything volumetric, that'll toast any CPU lol.
Any updates on rendering speed and RAM consumption issues?
This release was a bit more workflow focused but that said there are notable speed improvements to rendering out DOF highlights (bokeh) we would encourage you to check out.
Memory wise we did introduce out-of-core textures in v9 that help further improve the way we utilize system memory. This functionality is now on by default in v10.
Other than that, if you have any other suggestions or issues with memory management we would kindly like to ask you to post about it on our forums (forum.corona-renderer.com/).
Thank you! Nejc
Still love corona render however to be honest promotion video quality look like high-school student grade
corona improving so quickly
Please make corona compatible with TurbulenceFD :c
Now it look like cg, not photo-realistic, using from the first versions and this looks like some game. Is it influence by vray ?
lumion qualityish
It would be great to have Corona for Blender
Sorry, there are no plans to develop Corona for Blender. Tom
How to use new Intel Image denser? 2.0 or 2.1?
The new denoiser is not incorporated in Corona 10, but is planned (if all goes to plan, that is) for Corona 11. Thanks! Tom
@@ChaosCorona Thanks for reply, want to believe, it is not hard to incorporate, so we will have it in next version, or probably hotfix. Thank you!
The Material editor fast feature listed but wasn't added? why? It's still refreshing UI of every material each time.
You promised.
Vray materials works perfectly.
It was added (in 3ds Max that is) - if you are experiencing some problem, such as unexpected refreshes, please post that as a bug (it's a separate thing from the improvements made to the material editor) by opening a ticket support.chaos.com/requests/new or posting on the forums in the Max or C4D bug reports threads forum.corona-renderer.com/ and then the support team can take a look into what is happening for you. Thanks! Tom
@@ChaosCorona Sry, but too many bugs that should be reported which ain't my concern. I had moved from Corona 5-7 years ago and just wanted to try it out in 2023. Here is an independent opinion of an archvisor artist with over 12 years of experience: Corona render is getting bad, guys, very bad. You better change something or lots of people will move to Vray or Fstorm or Redshift etc.
Good luck!
@@sacifair Unfortunately general statements like "getting bad" do not give us any guidance on what to improve, and a for a bug that is not affecting all users, unless we hear from users who it is affecting we are once again limited in what can be done. We understand if you are not a current Corona user and don't have time to report things, but reports are the lifeblood of how any software improves (also, things on UA-cam just get lost, as it is not an official way to report items and they don't get added into our trackers, which is why a ticket or forum post is the way to go if you only have time to post in one place). Thank you for your feedback though! Tom
V-ray is absolutely better at render times, volume, reaydepth. Everything ...
Also another renderers is growing so fast and Corona now is becomming slowest renderers.
Corona was seen as having potential 2 years ago. Now it seems to be not.
They are like : " Oh, well, not many people use volume so, we don't improve it ". Then customers left Corona !
Exactly. Not many people use it because it is so piss poor, that people either just accepted its inexistence, or moved to other engines that work better.
Corona really needs a full overhaul, with hybrid gpu/cpu render utilization, and better pricing. They could get 100x more users by simply doing this, if they opened it to other software too like Blender (not that I use Blender myself, C4D is king).
DO SOMETHING REALLY WORTH IT
Please i suggest get Corona and Vray for blender, Choas shares will go Booming
There are no plans to develop Corona for Blender (mostly in part due to full integration requiring it to become open source due to the licensing). There is a third party implementation where it can be exported for the Corona standalone, though: forum.corona-renderer.com/index.php?topic=34625.0 - thanks! Tom
Is this faster than v-ray in rendering?
Depends on so many parameters....
Almost much slower than V-ray .
on GPU?
There are no plans to develop Corona for GPU - however, we have Vantage 2, V-Ray GPU, and Enscape for real-time GPU uses as alternatives :) Thanks! Tom
@@ChaosCorona You need to develop GPU support for Corona, or it will become obsolete very soon. I'm swapping away from Corona for that reason, and I know a ton of my colleagues have already done that for the same reason. Corona refuses to keep up with progress, even though we pay for it. Not a good sign. I'm the last one of us left still using Corona, and I speculate each month when I will make my eventual swap.
Расходимся, как обычно ничего нового! Арнольд наше все!
Once again another corona "update" that doesn't warrant a full version update.... Come on guys, the innovation is dying and its clear
We need rtx render...
We need gpu render.....
Even you guys have noise in this render, i can't belive it.
When is it going to be fixed?
и это все?
Very underwhelming feature list and animation quality. Expected better. . .
Yea it looks like a joke to be honest. Not what I expected from a pricey render engine that used to have a good reputation. It's been stagnant for years now.
Cool, thanks for the team work! Don't care about complaints, they are ungrateful. They should just make it easier by opening a page for user ideas with developer responses. I myself have several where I could improve.
Good news, we have such pages - forum.corona-renderer.com/index.php?board=5.0 for 3ds Max, and forum.corona-renderer.com/index.php?board=38.0 for C4D, where we welcome ideas large and small. Thanks! Tom
Saying "complaints are ungrateful" is a dodgy phrasing when we are literally paying for the product - while competition is offering more for free. Keep in mind there are reasons people complain, and if a lot of people are complaining then it's a clear indication that major things are being overlooked. General performance and gpu utilization is a big issue as the whole industry is shifting towards optimized real-time rendering for high workflow productivity. Here Chaos is stuck in the past by only using CPU and not investing into GPU hybrid rendering.
We need GPU render asap
We not. There are so many GPU outthere for you. GPU need core-changing, which take many years to build from beginning. And if they're not good like other renderers, so they would be wasting time. And you still move to other GPU renderers
@@SupSupa10 "There are so many gpu renders out there" and so what? That is literally because it is better. Corona has a good interface, integrates directly into C4D (and Max) and has a good base template for how it operates. That's why people are sticking with it. But there is absolutely no reason for not implementing hybrid render with gpu. We have been telling them for years to adopt this change, and they have ignored it. If they worked on it when it was first suggested, it would already be a core feature in Corona now, and the software would be 10x better for it and actually worth its price. Remember, Corona is not free. In fact, they recently upped their prices. Where is that money going? Why is it not actually being improved beyond simplistic changes such as "camera can now go through volumes"?? Wow, what an incredible feat. Not.
MUsic please...
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шляпа..
It seems to me that at some points they went too far with AI. Glass vase 0:59. Curvature of the space in front of the car 0:51.
Guys, you are a pro, let's do cool :)
PLZ WE NEED GPU RENDER JUST DO IT
Sad...
More and more I realize than after this "merger" Corona gradually and deliberately has becoming less and less stable, slower and worst with each new release. Now Vray is more like Corona at its peak.
Corona remains unstable, laggy and so terribly slow.
ps. I'm user of 3ds max 2024, and material editor there became faster for all engines, not only for Corona :D
Sorry you feel that way :( I am not sure why you think we would deliberately sabotage our software; any bugs you find are exactly that, bugs, that are not planned to be there. You can see in the release blogs just how many bugs and issues we fix with each release. For remaining issues you are experiencing, please report the specific problems to us and we will look into them, forum.corona-renderer.com/index.php?board=2.0 for 3ds Max or forum.corona-renderer.com/index.php?board=36.0 for Cinema 4D. All the best, Tom
The only thing that matters to me. Corona being a processor-based engine forever.
I didn't like the new vantage that Chaos released. Making everything easier will reduce the market and cause children to enter this business...
There are already gpu-powered render engines that produce enough ridiculous renders!!!!
You'll be happy to know that Corona will remain CPU based :) Thanks! Tom
@@ChaosCorona Thank you. I knew it wouldn't upset us CPU investors. We will continue to stay in Corona.
What is that mentality??? "More kids will enter" and so what? Are you afraid they will do a better job than you? Having gpu hybrid render is literally only a benefit. Ignoring it and staying CPU based will be Corona's downfall eventually.. Sad to see some people actively oppose progress like this.
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We'll let Tom know that :) He's currently at EUE mingling with fellow 3D artists :) Nejc
When gpu?
Мне одному показалось что качество виза тут было дно? и физика тоже
Ну я бы сказал что анимация подкачала, виз +-
Не одному. Не без минусов в презентации.
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