They already did during the end of the third book of the End & The Death mini series. Then its kinda self explanatory with other information we already know. Everyone was scattered, Purtarburo left mostly intact. Fulgrim ran away after getting his ass handed to him by Rogal and the world was nearly entirely dead in a way unimaginable. There were few survivors left to do a counter attack to pin them between Robute's insanely large retribution fleet and the palace defenders. Then the rest of the surviving primarchs got there late, Vulcan returns to the surface and Jaghatai wakes up. Not saying youre wrong in any way. We just need a big book series covering it in lore oozing detail.
@@TKUltra971 They already leaked a final (at least for HH) anthology book called "Era of Ruin" that appears to cover many interesting things after Horus but before Scouring including what you speak of if the GW confirmed chapter titles suggest.
This is EXACTLY what I've been saying for years now even during the start of the Solar War HH series. We need a Scouring series to show exactly WHAT occurred to the Loyalist and Traitor legions in detail. How each Primarch that remained met their "end" (I LOVE that they are all returning!!) and more importantly narrative how each legion handled the pressure and emotional state of the new era. Then all the politics in the IOM.
I would like to see a lead up to Guilliman meeting Cawl about The Primaris Project. Why Guilliman thought it would be a good idea to improve upon the emperor's work and not just because GW wanted to sell more space marines but an in universe reason to why the primaris should exist.
The primaris being retroactively put into the scouring era is gonna be hard. They existed in a very 40k context of allowing the imperium to have a resurgence in universe and out of universe be a way to sell all new and updated space marine models.
The 13th's late arrival to terra is a repeat of guilliman's return to the capitol city after his first campaign when konor had him pacify raiders.. He was too late then, and he was too late again..
With Sanguinius' loss, Guilliman lost a confidente & friend. With other Loyalist Primarchs disappearing over time, this added to Guilliman's sorrow and burden. Ending up as apparently the only surviving Primarch, before facing Daemon Fulgrim, must have placed a huge challenge for even one of the Emporer's creations.
14:37 Imagine if Rogel was the one who suggested that Vulcan be exempt from the rule. That he agreed to yield to Guilliman's decision, but only if Vulcan was the exception. Maybe even making a case that Vulcan was the one who the Emperor trusted with the hammer that could destroy Holy Terra. If the Emperor would trust him with that, then he should be exempt from the Codex. Having both sides of the argument come to a mutual agreement that Vulcan should be the exception.
Would help with explaining the breaking up of the legions if they have a much longer conversation about the hows and why of doing so with stuff like this.
@@scxizm I do like how he has that older brother moment of "Oh... perhaps I was an idiot..." kind of revelation. Then again I also have the noblebright headcanon where when the Lion returns to The Rock he will go to his most secret quarters and pull out a ancient sheet of instructions from The Emperor which were in fact more like suggestions like "When you think they are ready, assign the wargear and your trusted officers of the Ravenwing to the Vth and XIXth, let them rival over speed so we can expand faster. Do the same with your Deathwing and the Xth and XVIIIth for I trust them near as much as you, and believe they will alloy your abilities with their own. Signed, Emperor" To which Lions goes "ahhhh fug, I shoulda done this a while ago." and opens his vaults and launches his own version of a Indomitus Crusade but instead of glossy new stuff it's ancient weapons and armor. It touches upon the Goodtimes of Imperial Soup, moves plots, gives the Shattered Legions range and justies the White Scars and Raven Guard rivalry as they now have to have races for who gets the relic hover bike or something. TLDR: Forgive me I am drunk
All great moments to see. I'd also want to see his internal pov as he dreads asking where Sanguinius is, learning what he already feared and we get to see the tidal wave of grief both in that moment and seeing his body
I’m very interested to see how they handle him and Dorn. I think we see a completely broken Dorn, who blames Roboute for the Big E and Sanguinius getting killed for not making it on time.
I really hope that the Scouring series (if we get a Scouring series) focuses more on Dorn; he's got the most interesting and compelling story here. But mostly, I just want them to give us a Scouring series, like, at all.
Corvus Corax understandably wanted his Raven Guard split into chapters, not only does such a concept suit him and vindicates many of his own pioneered tactics but Corvus probably _wanted_ to divide up his forces even further. Some were more perfect than his normal children such as the Raptors, The core few were typically of the Deliverance so kept close ties with Deliverance, you had monstrous butchers of the remaining Terran stock that got exiled with the memo "go out into the deepest void, far away from humanity to be the bloodthirsty sharks you are", and then you have the post corruption raptor projects... who are actual monsters.
We know that Guilliman was cool with the Black Templars immediately declaring forever Crusade, and he's no doubt familiar with the War of the Beast and the Last Wall protocol.
My 2 cents Vulcan was let off due to his narure being good natured and protective. Where as Rogal was likely a mess after the seige and he could already see the path rogal would take (litterally took his legion to fight a stupid fight challenge from a traitor brother) that if he at the time was left with them he might get them all killed.
14:40 The only thing I can think of is that Vulcan tells Guilliman about the "doomsday" plan. G-man can already start planning for it and potentially hold enough of Humanity together long enough for the Emperor to fully ascend and save what's left. And Vulcan would simply tell G-man, "It's gotta me and my sons", G-Man would be like, "Oh. Yeah, that makes sense." Lol.
Man, I would love to see Guilliman's thoughts on Kurze's death and the Night Lord's eviction from Tsaguelsa. An expanded book on the Iron Cage incident would be pretty awesome, too.
I want to see Guilliman demolish Lorgar on Colchis, resulting in the latter being given daemonhood by the Chaos Gods to save him. Unfortunately, this will make him overconfident and play into the fateful encounter with Fulgrim later on.
Never heard of that. Add that to the list. In fact, I wanna see that most of all. All the hatred between them unleashed. Lorgar realized that Guilliman actually never did hate him after Calth, but with the betrayal, will he apologize? Realizing that Guilliman was forced to do what he did to Monarchia and the other cities by a God that lied. Lied to his sons, lied to the Imperium, lied and told Lorgar the truth of Chaos was a fantasy. Will Guilliman see Lorgar's point of view or will he not care and commence to ass whooping? Lorgar was right, by all accounts he was right, and it was the Emperor's lies that pushed him away and down the path of darkness. Will they both make please to the other? Will they lament the lies that forced them to be enemies? Will they clash blades in anger or in sorrow?
maybe one of the reasons why Lion was pissed off when he stabbed Russ and went straight for Caliban was that not only that the Emperor is on Golden Throne and Sanguinius is dead, he was also pissed off that Guilliman had become the de facto warmaster, just imagine the dynamic between Lion and Guilliman (there is no one here to calm them down) when Guilliman became Lord Commander, I'm just waiting for the Scouring, Guilliman is one of the best primarch
I do think big E cares about the Primarchs, but as we know now he had to cast that part of himself off before his fight with Horus. It’s because he cares that he had to do that in the first place, however that is unknown to Gman so ofc he thinks that he doesn’t care.
Moments I wanna see: Roboute showing up and saving Rogal at the Iron Cage, no doubt they had a serious heart to heart. 2, him versus "Omegon", if it indeed was him. I hope they shed light in that si we can know for sure if he died, and what possible words and ideas were shared between them.
Gulliman doesn't know that The Emperor separated/allowed his empathy to go into the Warp, prior to him facing off with Horus. Gulliman doesn't know that The Emperor did love his Sons. It will be interesting for Gulliman to find out what The Emperor actually did back in the 30th Millennium prior to facing the arch Traitor above Terra.
The guilliman story arc is well and good. But I think the most popular and anticipated story is going to be the fall of caliban given the lions recent lore. I for one want to know what happened that day in detail. And you know they will litter it with clues and easter eggs.
I would think that Vulkan being the exception is partly due to him being the final failsafe. He is able to destroy terra, and the webway connecting to it. Beyond that I think he's the one the Custodes trust the most, especially with the actions in the End and the Death. That along with them knowing that the emperor trusted his humanity the most might be the turning point, he's proven "incorruptable" to the also incorruptable custodes.
I think Vulkan got that special deal because he saved guillimom from Konrad. Maybe it was a special thing for literally saving his mom, perhaps Vulkan and guillimom met again during this time.
Total honesty, I personally don't care about the scouring now that the End and the Death is finished. We know plenty of what happened and it just seems like HH part 2. I want a break from it. We have so many damn stories in the 41st that need to be addressed that everytime we go backwards it makes me think they either A, don't care about the current setting or B, don't know what they actually want to do with it. The Nids invaded, we got an initial hype, bit then nothing. Gman was gonna go after the Necrons, and that just kinda got shuffled to the background. The Lion is back and came back in one of the best books recently.... then nothing. Splitting focus is doing a disservice to the current setting.
I believe the salamanders were actually more shattered than most, even the damn Iron Hands. I don’t remember those shitty salamander books well but it’s like 15 guys by the end I swear.
What does he mean about the salamanders being a codex exception? From what I know they are a codex compliant chapter in the same way the Ultramarines are. Can someone explain?
Im sorry I want any other Primarch to have some spotlight for a moment… the Guiliman wank is killing me in 40k… Allways him and the ultramarines doing everything
For guilliman it wasn’t 10,000 years. He is of a different era, and that failure still stings fresh.
I wonder how much of that 10,000 years in stasis did he dream about that failure.
Ohhhh that first moment the Ultramarines arrive at Terra NEEDS to be covered. It'll be retribution at it's finest.
They already did during the end of the third book of the End & The Death mini series. Then its kinda self explanatory with other information we already know. Everyone was scattered, Purtarburo left mostly intact. Fulgrim ran away after getting his ass handed to him by Rogal and the world was nearly entirely dead in a way unimaginable. There were few survivors left to do a counter attack to pin them between Robute's insanely large retribution fleet and the palace defenders. Then the rest of the surviving primarchs got there late, Vulcan returns to the surface and Jaghatai wakes up.
Not saying youre wrong in any way. We just need a big book series covering it in lore oozing detail.
@@TKUltra971 They already leaked a final (at least for HH) anthology book called "Era of Ruin" that appears to cover many interesting things after Horus but before Scouring including what you speak of if the GW confirmed chapter titles suggest.
@@attemptedunkindness3632 I saw! They already have a sale from me. Can't wait to get my hands on it and nerd out.
The excerpt saying “the flags of ultramar flew across the throne world” was nowhere near enough. I need to see Guilliman’s vengeance begin.
@@attemptedunkindness3632 Ja, looking forward to it. 😎
This is EXACTLY what I've been saying for years now even during the start of the Solar War HH series. We need a Scouring series to show exactly WHAT occurred to the Loyalist and Traitor legions in detail. How each Primarch that remained met their "end" (I LOVE that they are all returning!!) and more importantly narrative how each legion handled the pressure and emotional state of the new era. Then all the politics in the IOM.
I would like to see a lead up to Guilliman meeting Cawl about The Primaris Project. Why Guilliman thought it would be a good idea to improve upon the emperor's work and not just because GW wanted to sell more space marines but an in universe reason to why the primaris should exist.
Agreed. That bit would definitely be a topic worthy of it's own novel.
They bigger, stronger, faster, smarter, more resilient, no known instabilities etc.
The same reasons why the SMs exists and the Tunder Warriors don't.
The primaris being retroactively put into the scouring era is gonna be hard.
They existed in a very 40k context of allowing the imperium to have a resurgence in universe and out of universe be a way to sell all new and updated space marine models.
Lol someone had to do something.
The 13th's late arrival to terra is a repeat of guilliman's return to the capitol city after his first campaign when konor had him pacify raiders.. He was too late then, and he was too late again..
With Sanguinius' loss, Guilliman lost a confidente & friend. With other Loyalist Primarchs disappearing over time, this added to Guilliman's sorrow and burden. Ending up as apparently the only surviving Primarch, before facing Daemon Fulgrim, must have placed a huge challenge for even one of the Emporer's creations.
He wasn't the only one though, at least Russ and Khan are still around by then.
@@WR288 Who then promptly fuck off to do Emperor know what
14:37 Imagine if Rogel was the one who suggested that Vulcan be exempt from the rule. That he agreed to yield to Guilliman's decision, but only if Vulcan was the exception. Maybe even making a case that Vulcan was the one who the Emperor trusted with the hammer that could destroy Holy Terra. If the Emperor would trust him with that, then he should be exempt from the Codex. Having both sides of the argument come to a mutual agreement that Vulcan should be the exception.
Would help with explaining the breaking up of the legions if they have a much longer conversation about the hows and why of doing so with stuff like this.
Guilliman has become my favourite primarch
He is so beset by idiots right now, he cries himself to sleep each night.
I hope the lion also gets this much development.
But honestly im more excited to see Odin Russ
@@scxizm I do like how he has that older brother moment of "Oh... perhaps I was an idiot..." kind of revelation.
Then again I also have the noblebright headcanon where when the Lion returns to The Rock he will go to his most secret quarters and pull out a ancient sheet of instructions from The Emperor which were in fact more like suggestions like "When you think they are ready, assign the wargear and your trusted officers of the Ravenwing to the Vth and XIXth, let them rival over speed so we can expand faster. Do the same with your Deathwing and the Xth and XVIIIth for I trust them near as much as you, and believe they will alloy your abilities with their own. Signed, Emperor"
To which Lions goes "ahhhh fug, I shoulda done this a while ago." and opens his vaults and launches his own version of a Indomitus Crusade but instead of glossy new stuff it's ancient weapons and armor. It touches upon the Goodtimes of Imperial Soup, moves plots, gives the Shattered Legions range and justies the White Scars and Raven Guard rivalry as they now have to have races for who gets the relic hover bike or something.
TLDR: Forgive me I am drunk
@@attemptedunkindness3632 If this is what you write when you're drunk then I say drink all the time
15:52 Vulkan's legion was the most caring and nurturing of humanity. I think Gilman realized this and decided that was needed more than anything.
Wait the salamanders can be a legion? I didn't know that, than why there numbers always around 700
All great moments to see. I'd also want to see his internal pov as he dreads asking where Sanguinius is, learning what he already feared and we get to see the tidal wave of grief both in that moment and seeing his body
I’m very interested to see how they handle him and Dorn. I think we see a completely broken Dorn, who blames Roboute for the Big E and Sanguinius getting killed for not making it on time.
And Guilliman knows he's right.
You missed one, it’s on a much smaller scale, but I think it would hit Guilliman hard. The passing of Tarasha Euten
I really hope that the Scouring series (if we get a Scouring series) focuses more on Dorn; he's got the most interesting and compelling story here. But mostly, I just want them to give us a Scouring series, like, at all.
Corvus Corax understandably wanted his Raven Guard split into chapters, not only does such a concept suit him and vindicates many of his own pioneered tactics but Corvus probably _wanted_ to divide up his forces even further. Some were more perfect than his normal children such as the Raptors, The core few were typically of the Deliverance so kept close ties with Deliverance, you had monstrous butchers of the remaining Terran stock that got exiled with the memo "go out into the deepest void, far away from humanity to be the bloodthirsty sharks you are", and then you have the post corruption raptor projects... who are actual monsters.
We know that Guilliman was cool with the Black Templars immediately declaring forever Crusade, and he's no doubt familiar with the War of the Beast and the Last Wall protocol.
Can't wait to see what they're going to do with the iron cage!
My 2 cents Vulcan was let off due to his narure being good natured and protective. Where as Rogal was likely a mess after the seige and he could already see the path rogal would take (litterally took his legion to fight a stupid fight challenge from a traitor brother) that if he at the time was left with them he might get them all killed.
14:40
The only thing I can think of is that Vulcan tells Guilliman about the "doomsday" plan. G-man can already start planning for it and potentially hold enough of Humanity together long enough for the Emperor to fully ascend and save what's left.
And Vulcan would simply tell G-man, "It's gotta me and my sons", G-Man would be like, "Oh. Yeah, that makes sense." Lol.
I appreciate that Guilliman knows his greatest failure was letting Fulgrim get in his head and sidelining him.
Man, I would love to see Guilliman's thoughts on Kurze's death and the Night Lord's eviction from Tsaguelsa. An expanded book on the Iron Cage incident would be pretty awesome, too.
I want to see Guilliman demolish Lorgar on Colchis, resulting in the latter being given daemonhood by the Chaos Gods to save him. Unfortunately, this will make him overconfident and play into the fateful encounter with Fulgrim later on.
Never heard of that. Add that to the list. In fact, I wanna see that most of all. All the hatred between them unleashed. Lorgar realized that Guilliman actually never did hate him after Calth, but with the betrayal, will he apologize? Realizing that Guilliman was forced to do what he did to Monarchia and the other cities by a God that lied. Lied to his sons, lied to the Imperium, lied and told Lorgar the truth of Chaos was a fantasy. Will Guilliman see Lorgar's point of view or will he not care and commence to ass whooping? Lorgar was right, by all accounts he was right, and it was the Emperor's lies that pushed him away and down the path of darkness. Will they both make please to the other? Will they lament the lies that forced them to be enemies? Will they clash blades in anger or in sorrow?
Too much and too long. Lorgar is unforgivable@@alastor8091
maybe one of the reasons why Lion was pissed off when he stabbed Russ and went straight for Caliban was that not only that the Emperor is on Golden Throne and Sanguinius is dead, he was also pissed off that Guilliman had become the de facto warmaster, just imagine the dynamic between Lion and Guilliman (there is no one here to calm them down) when Guilliman became Lord Commander, I'm just waiting for the Scouring, Guilliman is one of the best primarch
Vulkan simply looked at Guilliman and said "no" quietly.
I do think big E cares about the Primarchs, but as we know now he had to cast that part of himself off before his fight with Horus. It’s because he cares that he had to do that in the first place, however that is unknown to Gman so ofc he thinks that he doesn’t care.
I want Corvus Corax! With a vengeance! Beaks for life!
I worry for corvus.. I fear we won't see his return anytime soon, brother..
Since he's essentially chasing after Lorgar in the warp it may take for Lorgar to return to real space for us to see Corvus return.
Great stuff Rho!
Iirc, Salamanders have/had a high mutation rate so they couldn’t even significantly contribute to successor chapters if they wanted.
Moments I wanna see: Roboute showing up and saving Rogal at the Iron Cage, no doubt they had a serious heart to heart.
2, him versus "Omegon", if it indeed was him. I hope they shed light in that si we can know for sure if he died, and what possible words and ideas were shared between them.
I didn't even know the salamanders were an exception. Vulcan is a very unique primarch and was in charge of the doomsday plan. Can't wait to know
The conversation with cawl to make the primaris marines.
Gulliman doesn't know that The Emperor separated/allowed his empathy to go into the Warp, prior to him facing off with Horus.
Gulliman doesn't know that The Emperor did love his Sons. It will be interesting for Gulliman to find out what The Emperor actually did back in the 30th Millennium prior to facing the arch Traitor above Terra.
I imagine like a scenario where the Rohirim arrives!
The guilliman story arc is well and good. But I think the most popular and anticipated story is going to be the fall of caliban given the lions recent lore. I for one want to know what happened that day in detail. And you know they will litter it with clues and easter eggs.
Hey @Wolf_Lord_Rho! What do you think a possible future non-Imperial 40k book series could cover? :)
I would think that Vulkan being the exception is partly due to him being the final failsafe. He is able to destroy terra, and the webway connecting to it. Beyond that I think he's the one the Custodes trust the most, especially with the actions in the End and the Death. That along with them knowing that the emperor trusted his humanity the most might be the turning point, he's proven "incorruptable" to the also incorruptable custodes.
Here’s an interesting one. I wanna see him when he gets the Emperor’s sword.
Are you gonna be covering the broken Crusade? Would love your opinion on it
I think Vulkan got that special deal because he saved guillimom from Konrad. Maybe it was a special thing for literally saving his mom, perhaps Vulkan and guillimom met again during this time.
i'll bet that the reason that reason Vulcan was let off has to do with what he installed into the Golden Throne.
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“FOR THE EMPEROR”
Can you do a top 5 predictions to Jagathai in the scouring, please!?
Vulkan know how the Golden Throne works, plus his doomsday device. Full stop. Ain't nobody telling that lad no.
The Vulkan exception is inexplicable at this point in time.
Hopefully the Scouring will remedy that.
Robute Guileman DID steal command from Rogal 😂!!
Listen Dorn, either you accept my decision to split the legions or l will forgive Perturabo.
Total honesty, I personally don't care about the scouring now that the End and the Death is finished. We know plenty of what happened and it just seems like HH part 2. I want a break from it. We have so many damn stories in the 41st that need to be addressed that everytime we go backwards it makes me think they either A, don't care about the current setting or B, don't know what they actually want to do with it. The Nids invaded, we got an initial hype, bit then nothing. Gman was gonna go after the Necrons, and that just kinda got shuffled to the background. The Lion is back and came back in one of the best books recently.... then nothing. Splitting focus is doing a disservice to the current setting.
I believe the salamanders were actually more shattered than most, even the damn Iron Hands. I don’t remember those shitty salamander books well but it’s like 15 guys by the end I swear.
i think the lion wouldve opposed the codex before returning to caliban but i wonder if he still would?
The Salamanders were the second smallest legion after the 1k sons. They had fewer going in to the Dropsite Massacre and fewer going out. Simple.
Was Vulkan given an exception out of gratitude? He did save Tarasha Euten.
Maybe Salamanders were'nt broken into chapters because there only about 1K alive anyway 😅
If going to go there or scouring. Better include the book where Roberta Girlyman choked against Fulgrim
What does he mean about the salamanders being a codex exception? From what I know they are a codex compliant chapter in the same way the Ultramarines are. Can someone explain?
Omegon will live. I will not any other alternative.
rho is such a weird name
Im sorry I want any other Primarch to have some spotlight for a moment… the Guiliman wank is killing me in 40k… Allways him and the ultramarines doing everything