Great video! I'm finding similar: Cline "dives into wasting tokens" and sometimes goes on loops fixing one thing, breaking another, then in fixing the another it breaks the first thing again, ... Getting it straight before writing code is important. Really loving Roo Cline's "Architect Mode", too! Also one thing that's really helped me is getting over the aversion to "throwing away v1 or even v2" -- because what used to take me months to create, now takes a day.
Thanks for the tips about discussing first, undoing and discussing the problem you ran into. I’m currently using RooCline with Deepseek V3 as Api. I noticed you used deepseek for analysis, what Api do you use for coding, Claude/sonnet?
@GosuCoder random question; Are you for hire? Developing a project with an investor, small app, Big clients. I’ve tried myself, i simply don’t have the knowledge or skillset. Money isnt an issue, would you be opposed to have a conversation? Im working with automation for businesses alongside my job as an insurance agent. Ai is blowing up and we’re creating a team. Deepseek created simpler codes btw. Sonnet / Claude seems to plan for the future and is alot more conplex. Tip; let the LLM’s analyze eachothers code!
Create small chats. Claude sends all messages every time you prompt it. If you're using pdf files, then try to convert all to text (there is a script on github which automate it).
I need to do a follow up on Windsurf. TLDR is I like it a lot, but I burn through the credits so quickly, i've found it more efficient for me to mainly use DeepSeek v3 with RooCoder to save cost. Then I can switch to Claude for things when it makes sense.
I don't code but I use cursor to help me with my coding. Should I switch to Cline to save on cost or stay with cursor and benefiting the unlimited slow request for 20/month? I have a 3090 vram gpu.
Hi GousCoder, I just had a question which I felt I needed to ask (I've also used Cline and Roo-Cline btw so I'm aware of it's capabilities and strong-suits): Since Roo and Cline use a tree-sitter variation which uses a tokens to represent the key aspects of the codebase instead of one of Cursor's strong-suits where they use a vector database of the codebase to pull relevant embeddings based on the user's request, don't you run into the same issue that I think 99% of all Cline and Roo users run into?: Getting half you codebase being wiped out because of a lack of context and or not being aware of where certain things are in the codebase? Windsurf and Cursor handle this extremely well, making them reliable but a pricey option for some. I'm pretty sure that all Cline and Roo users run into the code-wipeout issue in some way shape or form, and I want to ask how and what your way of dealing with it is. Thanks btw, and I like your view on Roo-Cline :)
Can you please help me with Cline/ Roo. In Windows VS code the models I use always want to use && and that always fails, then the model says it will try executing steps one by one and by the next time it reaches a point where it has to make a decision it still uses && and the executions fails. I tried ordering it not to use && and even placed that in the special instructions but it gets ignored every time. It wastes a lot of time and computations in doing things over and over and it fails to understand that && just isnt recognized.
@GosuCoder nevermind I figured it out. It was because of Powershell5.1 && was added for ver.7 I had to add powershell7 extension to VScode and it fixed the problem.
I need to commit to using that for a week to give a fair comparison. Part of my problem is I’m so use to VSCode that even though I have cursor I just out of habit go to VSCode.
Great video! I'm finding similar: Cline "dives into wasting tokens" and sometimes goes on loops fixing one thing, breaking another, then in fixing the another it breaks the first thing again, ... Getting it straight before writing code is important. Really loving Roo Cline's "Architect Mode", too!
Also one thing that's really helped me is getting over the aversion to "throwing away v1 or even v2" -- because what used to take me months to create, now takes a day.
Thanks, great video. I'm trying to understand how these tools can help my dev team and this was very helpful. I sent it to them to watch.
Amazing I hope it’s helpful!
My dev team has fully started using it now.
I want to truly say thank you, i just hope its a way to build apps & hopefully you go live one day
I will definitely test Roo Cline (of course, as a fan of the original Cline).
I like your t-shirt!
Thanks for the tips about discussing first, undoing and discussing the problem you ran into.
I’m currently using RooCline with Deepseek V3 as Api.
I noticed you used deepseek for analysis, what Api do you use for coding, Claude/sonnet?
Yes Claude/Sonnet. I’m thinking this coming week I might attempt DeepSeek only for a few days with RooCline just to see how it compares.
@GosuCoder random question; Are you for hire?
Developing a project with an investor, small app, Big clients. I’ve tried myself, i simply don’t have the knowledge or skillset.
Money isnt an issue, would you be opposed to have a conversation?
Im working with automation for businesses alongside my job as an insurance agent. Ai is blowing up and we’re creating a team.
Deepseek created simpler codes btw. Sonnet / Claude seems to plan for the future and is alot more conplex. Tip; let the LLM’s analyze eachothers code!
Can you bing all these concepts as a video with an example. may be build a full stack!
with anthropic i hit the 40k token per minute right away and the 1 mill tokens per day. do you have a magic way of getting around that?
OpenRouter is what I use to unlock limits
Create small chats. Claude sends all messages every time you prompt it. If you're using pdf files, then try to convert all to text (there is a script on github which automate it).
how does roo-cline compare to aider?
Those ask and architect features seem to have been aider imspired
where do you fall on cursor, windsurf or codellm?
I need to do a follow up on Windsurf. TLDR is I like it a lot, but I burn through the credits so quickly, i've found it more efficient for me to mainly use DeepSeek v3 with RooCoder to save cost. Then I can switch to Claude for things when it makes sense.
So the roo cline is using concepts from aider for /ask /code while cline does not (yet perhaps)? Which versions did you compare ?
I keep seeing aider come up I plan to use that this coming week. I compared Roo-Cline to Cline mostly
I don't code but I use cursor to help me with my coding. Should I switch to Cline to save on cost or stay with cursor and benefiting the unlimited slow request for 20/month? I have a 3090 vram gpu.
Hi GousCoder, I just had a question which I felt I needed to ask (I've also used Cline and Roo-Cline btw so I'm aware of it's capabilities and strong-suits): Since Roo and Cline use a tree-sitter variation which uses a tokens to represent the key aspects of the codebase instead of one of Cursor's strong-suits where they use a vector database of the codebase to pull relevant embeddings based on the user's request, don't you run into the same issue that I think 99% of all Cline and Roo users run into?: Getting half you codebase being wiped out because of a lack of context and or not being aware of where certain things are in the codebase?
Windsurf and Cursor handle this extremely well, making them reliable but a pricey option for some. I'm pretty sure that all Cline and Roo users run into the code-wipeout issue in some way shape or form, and I want to ask how and what your way of dealing with it is.
Thanks btw, and I like your view on Roo-Cline :)
Can you please help me with Cline/ Roo. In Windows VS code the models I use always want to use && and that always fails, then the model says it will try executing steps one by one and by the next time it reaches a point where it has to make a decision it still uses && and the executions fails. I tried ordering it not to use && and even placed that in the special instructions but it gets ignored every time. It wastes a lot of time and computations in doing things over and over and it fails to understand that && just isnt recognized.
Curious which model are you running?
@GosuCoder nevermind I figured it out. It was because of Powershell5.1 && was added for ver.7 I had to add powershell7 extension to VScode and it fixed the problem.
@GosuCoder sometimes I will bang my head around a problem untill I write down as a question to someone and then the answer will become easier to see.
You now you will get new terminal errors you were not getting on PS 5.1 😁 @@id104335409
@@geek2geeks oh great. I can't wait.
Did you know who is behind Roo fork? Also interesting if you try Aider, all this features (architect, chat) looks like inspired or come from Aider.
I really need to try Aider!
@ ha, will be amazing to hear your opinion, it a bit more “hack” looking and kinda vim style tool, but gives you lots of freedom🙌
Any thoughts Cline/Roo-Cline compares to OpenHands?
I've only briefly played with OpenHands, added to my list to spend more time with.
How does roocline compare with cursor and windsurf?
I need to commit to using that for a week to give a fair comparison. Part of my problem is I’m so use to VSCode that even though I have cursor I just out of habit go to VSCode.
Cursor is better from a purely financial standpoint.
@@aaagaming2023 no, cursor is 20$, and copilot is only 10$ which you can use with Roo Cline
I use cline and eats up tokens like scared teen eats popcorn at a scary movie. I work the same way you do, so I will give Roo a try later.
No more limits with open router right?
Right! I haven’t hit a single api limit issue all week using it.
Roo cline works with new Codestral?
[3.1.6]
Add Mistral (thanks Cline!) from the RooCline subreddit
How can we this too cline with Mistral it's refusing nobody is giving any tutorial on how to add with Mistral
Let me give that a try
How much credits do you fill up Adam on open router. I’m about to fill up with &100 🤣 I usually fill 50
Wow you answered my question at @5:55
Jeez, that actually sounds dirt cheap(!) $15 for four days of straight work, and that was with admittedly inefficient usage. Unbelievable!
all yap, no demo.
I can definitely show a pure demo based one, just a lot harder to do with private code. I’d need to use it on side projects or open source projects.
He’s giving gold