Debbie I am so sad to see that this is still going on. Lisa is a wonderful person and a great nurse, she was wonderful to my dad when he was in the hospital. My thoughts and prayers are with all of you at this time, never give up. You are a great mother Debbie and Lisa also knows that. Your grandchildren will find their way home, God speed to all.
I feel so much for this woman. I and my husband have been estranged from our daughters and grandchildren for 3 years and we have never been told why and our grand children adored us!I can't imagine what she is going through. I'm from B.C. and the law doesn't really prioritize the family unit and a lawyer told us there was not much they could do and that it was a waste of our time. Bad lawyers, in a bad legal system.
I don't think the lawyers are wrong, you would be spending thousands of dollars on lawyer fees and the thing is parents as long as they are not doing anything wrong have rights because they birthed the kids, I think maybe contacting your daughters, checking on them and offering them open arms can help, but adult children go through things, who knows what your daughters are going through or what life is throwing at them, they could be busy, dealing with relationship issues, jobs, etc. Being a parent is a lot, and you also never want to overstep their boundaries as well.
Praying for your grandkids so they can know the truth one day! Your family is so beautiful and you are some of my favorite people in this world who do not deserve this. Love you so much!
My husband and Sean went through flight school together. There’s a group of us who befriended Lisa at that time. She was a beautiful light, so smart and kind and fun. At that time, Max was a young babe. We all knew Sean was an adulterer then. Narcissistic to the core. I lost touch with Lisa after flight school graduation. I am immensely sorry and brokenhearted for Lisa, her children, and your family. This story infuriates me to no end. I will be praying that true justice will be had and that Lisa’s kids will also soon have that lightbulb moment.
Family forwarding was involved Alyson Jones for months and Nancy Rohatinsky. Expert witnesses, they were excellent but judge was retiring could not care less 😢😢😢😢
The true sign of a narcissist is the amount of time they use the court system. What should normally take 6 months to a year, takes 2, 3 or 4 years. The judges know what is going on, but unfortunately they are bound by the law. My divorce cost me $25,000, and he tried to bankrupt me, by racking up credit card charges and stealing from our clients. The Judge was so savvy, I can not believe how smart she was. She called in another judge and had at least 4 accountants go through everything with a fine tooth comb. In the end the judge's ruling was in my favor, however all the damage was done. My X never complied with orders which dragged everything out. I documented everything. He sent me over 700 emails, just the nastiest language. By the time it was all done, I lost my entire savings and my business. My 4 children all adults now, see him for what he is.... but the road is still bumpy. God Bless and good luck to you.
I thought for the first 3 months of alienation, my daughter was just not a nice person. But then 4 months into alienation, she cut my parents off and made crazy allegations about me, I knew then something was off x
I'm so sorry for all of your pain and suffering. Such a horrible loss and so unbelievably cruel to all of you. That judge was right, the kids will hate him, but at what cost? The really sad truth is that this alienation will follow them into adulthood in their own personal relationships. My ex husband took my baby and hid out with him for 5 months before I found him. I had 2 PI's and two State Cops that went into their home, served papers, and brought my baby out to me. They were a family of abusers, almost all of them. That was over 40 years ago. I raised my kids, but as adults they've had other parents get in their heads and 4 of them have stopped coming around. I finally had to tell them to just leave it this way. Without a change of heart in them I could only expect to be treated that way again. I don't think they realize the insecurities of the other parents and even grandparents are causing them to manipulate my adult children. Until they can see it and stop it, nothing will change. Until then it's not ok for them to abuse me. I do miss my grands with all of my heart though.
I had a similar situation where I left my ex due to drop dead drunk behavior, but my family went against me and turned my daughter against me at 5 years old. My ex refused to let her see me or call me until in the end she refused to see me. My mom lied and said I was bipolar when I never was, and that gave him enough doubt for the judge to give him custody and I didn't see her from 10 to 16, when she appeared at my doorstep- and was a drop dead drunk alcoholic, but his family called her bipolar and said it was me genetically, not alcoholism from him. Strangely, my family jumped at the chance to alienate her from me. Trying to understand how people can do such evil to others is impossible. I used to tell him not to say anything bad about me because she identified so closely with me that it would hurt her badly, but he did everything wrong. She is 35 now, and completely brainwashed. Our expert witness found out my ex was a liar, and that I wasn't, after he wrote his report and before he submitted it, but he refused to change his recommendation. She now lies, steals from me, and blocks me out but feels perfectly justified in her actions.
It's so sad your family has been let down by the justice system.I am hopeful that in time, your grand kids will seek you out. Lisa is a dedicated and caring nurse. She goes the extra mile for her patients. It's sad their father is so unseeing.
@@rainkings4862 Good question. Every state has different legislation which often enables this kind of criminality and makes it extremely difficult for the victims to seek recourse.
It's confusing when you mention criminality, because didn't the courts grant him full custody or was their joint custody. I was confused listening to the story.
I just came across this story. I’m so sorry for what you continue to endure. This man, the father, is ill. He is mentally ill. I’m not sure of next steps. I suspect no one escapes his wrath. I pray for your family and him. Hopefully God will touch his heart.
This doesn't add up, women in the US 99.9% of the time get custody, even when they have all kinds of problems themselves. Worst case for the woman most of the time the woman has to "deal with" joint custody.
I don't understand when the grandparents told the daughter they couldn't see the kids after a few weeks, she should have come back, and why sign over the kids to him? Why didn't the parents advise against that if she was such a good mother, the grandparents knew he had another girlfriend pretty soon after she left, just all very confusing sorry
After living with one of these personality types, the spouse can completely lose the ability to make decisions and be in fear for their lives. Usually this personality type chooses someone who has a weaker personality to begin with. Then spends years tearing this person down. There’s no doubt this mother feared for her life and probably feared that he would take the children’s lives if she tried to take them.
@debbiegrande5353 I understand how he could have had her brainwashed, but the people around her should have made contact with the authorities explaining how she'd been brainwashed, and stepped up in some way with authorities of some kind
@@Occupied_South I think what she meant was that as long as the child was under the custody of one parent who is providing care then keeping tabs on what he does as a provider is crossing boundaries, but this whole case seems confusing as from my understanding the father of the children went over state lines and the case seems to be over. The grandmother and daughter seem to have spent thousands and got no results out this case entirely. I am still confused over the father having crossed state lines, what happens to the case when one parent with full custody does that, my guess is to make it difficult for the other party
I’m so proud of you for speaking out, this ordeal has been so hard on your family! This family still has hope and one day I hope there is light.
Debbie I am so sad to see that this is still going on. Lisa is a wonderful person and a great nurse, she was wonderful to my dad when he was in the hospital. My thoughts and prayers are with all of you at this time, never give up. You are a great mother Debbie and Lisa also knows that. Your grandchildren will find their way home, God speed to all.
I feel so much for this woman. I and my husband have been estranged from our daughters and grandchildren for 3 years and we have never been told why and our grand children adored us!I can't imagine what she is going through. I'm from B.C. and the law doesn't really prioritize the family unit and a lawyer told us there was not much they could do and that it was a waste of our time. Bad lawyers, in a bad legal system.
I don't think the lawyers are wrong, you would be spending thousands of dollars on lawyer fees and the thing is parents as long as they are not doing anything wrong have rights because they birthed the kids, I think maybe contacting your daughters, checking on them and offering them open arms can help, but adult children go through things, who knows what your daughters are going through or what life is throwing at them, they could be busy, dealing with relationship issues, jobs, etc. Being a parent is a lot, and you also never want to overstep their boundaries as well.
This is so awful and heartbreaking. I'm so very sorry you have gone through this. Those babies will know the truth someday.
Praying for your grandkids so they can know the truth one day! Your family is so beautiful and you are some of my favorite people in this world who do not deserve this. Love you so much!
My husband and Sean went through flight school together. There’s a group of us who befriended Lisa at that time. She was a beautiful light, so smart and kind and fun. At that time, Max was a young babe. We all knew Sean was an adulterer then. Narcissistic to the core. I lost touch with Lisa after flight school graduation. I am immensely sorry and brokenhearted for Lisa, her children, and your family. This story infuriates me to no end. I will be praying that true justice will be had and that Lisa’s kids will also soon have that lightbulb moment.
Thanks for sharing this, A. Peace from France.
lack of or bad fathering is a MAJOR cause of child estrangement,
Still no contact. So very sad that a man can be so cruel heartbreaking courts don’t help😢
So Lisa knowingly married a known bad guy....hhhmmm
@@callmeishmaelk767no he conned her. He lied about everything to her !
There are professional s that help reunite alienated parents and children.
Family forwarding was involved Alyson Jones for months and Nancy Rohatinsky. Expert witnesses, they were excellent but judge was retiring could not care less 😢😢😢😢
The true sign of a narcissist is the amount of time they use the court system.
What should normally take 6 months to a year, takes 2, 3 or 4 years.
The judges know what is going on, but unfortunately they are bound by the law.
My divorce cost me $25,000, and he tried to bankrupt me, by racking up credit card charges and stealing from our clients.
The Judge was so savvy, I can not believe how smart she was.
She called in another judge and had at least 4 accountants go through everything with a fine tooth comb.
In the end the judge's ruling was in my favor, however all the damage was done.
My X never complied with orders which dragged everything out. I documented everything. He sent me over 700 emails, just the nastiest language.
By the time it was all done, I lost my entire savings and my business.
My 4 children all adults now, see him for what he is.... but the road is still bumpy.
God Bless and good luck to you.
Exactly true. 😢
37 court orders never complied with one. Courts did nothing to him 😢😢😢
This is horrific! Is there an update?
I thought for the first 3 months of alienation, my daughter was just not a nice person. But then 4 months into alienation, she cut my parents off and made crazy allegations about me, I knew then something was off x
I'm so sorry for all of your pain and suffering. Such a horrible loss and so unbelievably cruel to all of you.
That judge was right, the kids will hate him, but at what cost?
The really sad truth is that this alienation will follow them into adulthood in their own personal relationships.
My ex husband took my baby and hid out with him for 5 months before I found him. I had 2 PI's and two State Cops that went into their home, served papers, and brought my baby out to me.
They were a family of abusers, almost all of them. That was over 40 years ago.
I raised my kids, but as adults they've had other parents get in their heads and 4 of them have stopped coming around. I finally had to tell them to just leave it this way.
Without a change of heart in them I could only expect to be treated that way again. I don't think they realize the insecurities of the other parents and even grandparents are causing them to manipulate my adult children. Until they can see it and stop it, nothing will change.
Until then it's not ok for them to abuse me. I do miss my grands with all of my heart though.
Thankyou for your words. Still no contact children have been taught to hate. Loved and missed😢😢😢😢
I had a similar situation where I left my ex due to drop dead drunk behavior, but my family went against me and turned my daughter against me at 5 years old. My ex refused to let her see me or call me until in the end she refused to see me. My mom lied and said I was bipolar when I never was, and that gave him enough doubt for the judge to give him custody and I didn't see her from 10 to 16, when she appeared at my doorstep- and was a drop dead drunk alcoholic, but his family called her bipolar and said it was me genetically, not alcoholism from him. Strangely, my family jumped at the chance to alienate her from me. Trying to understand how people can do such evil to others is impossible. I used to tell him not to say anything bad about me because she identified so closely with me that it would hurt her badly, but he did everything wrong. She is 35 now, and completely brainwashed. Our expert witness found out my ex was a liar, and that I wasn't, after he wrote his report and before he submitted it, but he refused to change his recommendation. She now lies, steals from me, and blocks me out but feels perfectly justified in her actions.
It's so sad your family has been let down by the justice system.I am hopeful that in time, your grand kids will seek you out. Lisa is a dedicated and caring nurse. She goes the extra mile for her patients. It's sad their father is so unseeing.
I don't understand when they went to another state, it was over. Is that all it takes is moving across state lines.
@@rainkings4862 Good question. Every state has different legislation which often enables this kind of criminality and makes it extremely difficult for the victims to seek recourse.
It's confusing when you mention criminality, because didn't the courts grant him full custody or was their joint custody. I was confused listening to the story.
I just came across this story. I’m so sorry for what you continue to endure. This man, the father, is ill. He is mentally ill. I’m not sure of next steps. I suspect no one escapes his wrath. I pray for your family and him. Hopefully God will touch his heart.
We pray for the children everyday oneday they will know the truth 😢😢😢😢
This doesn't add up, women in the US 99.9% of the time get custody, even when they have all kinds of problems themselves. Worst case for the woman most of the time the woman has to "deal with" joint custody.
a curse be upon those who do this.
Amen praying for all alienated children everywhere. No child knows how to hate 😢😢😢😢
I don't understand when the grandparents told the daughter they couldn't see the kids after a few weeks, she should have come back, and why sign over the kids to him? Why didn't the parents advise against that if she was such a good mother, the grandparents knew he had another girlfriend pretty soon after she left, just all very confusing sorry
After living with one of these personality types, the spouse can completely lose the ability to make decisions and be in fear for their lives. Usually this personality type chooses someone who has a weaker personality to begin with. Then spends years tearing this person down. There’s no doubt this mother feared for her life and probably feared that he would take the children’s lives if she tried to take them.
He kept her away brainwashed her like 0:05 stockholm syndrome. We tried everything. 😢😢😢😢
@debbiegrande5353 I understand how he could have had her brainwashed, but the people around her should have made contact with the authorities explaining how she'd been brainwashed, and stepped up in some way with authorities of some kind
Yeah, sounds suspicious to me too.
You need to hear both sides of the story. You're not going to get the story from the husband. These victims are often times the perpetrators. DARVO
Just disgusting!!! 😪😪😪😪😪😪😪😪
Stalking a child is a boundary violation.
Who are you talking for to? No one really stalked anyone. And when it's a child you are deeply concerned about, it's not "stalking." You have issues.
What's wrong with you?
@@Occupied_South I think what she meant was that as long as the child was under the custody of one parent who is providing care then keeping tabs on what he does as a provider is crossing boundaries, but this whole case seems confusing as from my understanding the father of the children went over state lines and the case seems to be over. The grandmother and daughter seem to have spent thousands and got no results out this case entirely. I am still confused over the father having crossed state lines, what happens to the case when one parent with full custody does that, my guess is to make it difficult for the other party
GOD heard the son-in-laws cursing towards you. Pray for him. GOD will attend to it !
Eating disorders have their origins in childhood. She had issues when she married.
Most common: having controlling parents.