The woman who took him in obviously was not a very stable individual herself. Not only did she continue to keep him around when he tried to wreck her car three times but then again she did have 40 cats in her garage and 14 dogs in the house. That's pretty much a tip-off that she wasn't a rocket scientist.
Yes, clearly crazy herself. And also she let him care for the dogs and cats, although he had demonstrated cruelty to animals as a child and adult. She may not have know about that, but surely there were indications that he was not concerned with kind treatment of animals.
If she had 40 cats & 14 dogs, it could be that she was a kind hearted empath who did not believe in cruelty to animals. I have several cats & three dogs. I have neighbors who have 15 or more cats. I meet ppl at the pet food isle who have a large number of cats. All of us pet owners seem to be kind hearted.
@@helenshg4580 A house full of cats stinks terribly. The occupants usually don't notice; cats are not suited to living indoors. It's usually post-menopausal women who amass large numbers of cats. Crazy shit.
I normally agree with your opinions. As an Aussie I find your views odd on gun rights. Also your example is an odd one. For example if I had dementia I would have my car licence taken off me, to protect others. Or if I insisted on drug driving, the same would happen. You need a drivers licence, just like a gun licence. It’s a privilege, not a right. *We can own several guns, just not the type solely made to kill humans.
@@Youdatguy I see photos of American guys in Target, with six automatic rifles strapped to themselves. All I see is a very fearful man, (or occasionally woman).
I'll give an American's perspective: Driving a car is a right. Driving it on public roads is a privilege. You don't need a license to drive or purchase a car (though some dealers and banks may refuse you), you do need one to use the public roads. The only way it'd be comparable is if the government decided to require a license to use public ranges, or require one to carry it on your person in public (which most states do). Buying a gun may not require a license, but generally it does require a background check unless you're buying from a private seller (aka Jim bob who's selling his daddy's old hunting rifle).
I'm an American & you're absolutely right. The misinterpretation of the 2nd Amendement by Supreme Court here has made it impossible for the sweeping gun changes needed here. When our constitution was written 2 factors Dr. Grande totally misses on, 1) the constitution was ratified in the 18th century when technology didn't allow even semi automatic fire nor were revolver style pistols available 2) gun rights activists as well as SCOTUS don't take into effect the right to own guns as part of a well regulated militia as documented in 2nd part of 2nd amendment & we now have state run national guards outside of the normal structure of our regular & reserve military branches to defend against what the 2nd A was written to deter in 1st place, central government tyranny and they are the militias referred to in the constitution not the losers in military garb that stormed US capital on Jan 6 & many state capitals in the turbulent 4 years of our con artist 45th POTUS. As we learned from our disgraceful 45 th president that even an insane conman isn't powerful enough to overturn all our checks & balances & steal an election. Idk much about Aussie gun laws prior but fundamental right & gun ownership shouldn't be accepted in the civilized world but there are simply to many advocates & money in politics to get rid of our terrible gun policy and mass shootings domestic killings gang violence etc will always remain as American as apple pie which is a travesty & misinterprets our own constitution.
I am a typical Australian in this regard. I do not see owning a lethal firearm as a human right and I cannot understand why such a thing would be held in high regard. Americans have clearly been conditioned to overvalue gun rights. Every country does indeed have the right to draw its own line as to how efficient a weapon of murder is allowed to be owned by any citizen. We could all have the right to own sarin gas, but there is no justification. Likewise, high power firearms belong only in the hands of the few with a legitimate occupational reason. It isn't that hard.
ownership of firearms in the USA is enshrined in the constitution because the people for whom it was written used those firearms to gain independence. the 2nd Amendment protects their ability to defend themselves against a tyrannical government, and in my opinion they're long overdue to exercise that rate because a bipartisan political system with the biggest lobbying industry in the world may as well be tyrannical. I don't see how someone can overvalue gun rights in a country with so much violent crime committed with illegally-obtained weapons - stricter gun control won't affect those guns in any meaningful way while also preventing law-abiding citizens from defending themselves. here in Switzerland, firearm ownership is also enshrined in the constitution. there is little to no gun crime, and we had one mass shooting in the 90s perpetrated by a mentally disturbed ex-soldier.
@fag bag Same and actually I'm kind of put off, it's a shame because I watch his videos every single morning and always feel like he talks sense in this crazy world.
@@commander31able60 ok fine - having guns to protect against a tyrannical government is fine, but you don’t need to carry them or take them to school etc. It’s like saying “i need nukes to protect us from Russia and North Korea and then when you nuke California for disagreeing congress you argue that we need nukes to protect against Russia.”. It flat out doesn’t make sense. Also, one of the “funniest” things I can think of is a bunch of Americans with guns rising up against a government that spends billions and trillions on war machines. It would take literally 2 minutes for the government to wipe out the patriots with guns. In fact, give the mob a few minutes and they’ll likely shoot each other just walking to the battle.
@@handsomepetevideos I don’t think it’s very tactically sound to attack the government - the “patriots” would most likely hide, in the woods or among the general population, and cripple the economy that bankrolls the war machine. It’s also against the constitution to deploy the US military against its own population.
The homicide rate might not have changed much in australia, but the evidence that gun regulation prevents individuals from commiting massacres like this is undeniable. Also the right to own guns shouldn't be a thought of as a fundamental right, frankly. Nobody needs guns to live.
@@eadweard. what about the hundreds of people who get lifelong injuries or permanent trauma because of spree shooters, armed criminals, and civilians who dont properly handle guns. Blinding yourself to every effect besides homicides is missing a lot of the harm laissez faire gun policies can allow.
Actually, statistically the homicide rate is falling on average 2% per year Citation. Australian Government. Australian Institute of Health and Welfare. Injury in Australia: Assault and Homicide. 9 Dec 2021.
As an Australian I found this quite disappointing. In particular I didn't understand why Dr Grande spent so much time discussing fundamental gun rites, when that did not and does not apply to Australia. Surely that's a topic for an American gun issue video, rather than on Martin Bryant. I would have much preferred that this discussion remained relevant to the actual situation in Australia.
I thought the same thing. Someone as articulate & well spoken in so many topics applying such a clearly biased point of view rings as very strange. That said the fine Dr is clearly aware of his own bias & is only human so it's to be expected if he feels strongly on the subject we will see some bias injected.
@Amy Weinholtz You had a choice to get what was often well above market value for your gun, after Port Arthur. It had a nearly 90% approval amongst us Aussies. All up 650,000 firearms were handed in. This saw a big decrease in suicides by gun, etc. *The Prime Minister who wanted this at that time, was a very conservative one.
It’s weird but I felt confused…was this a criticism on Australian gun laws or an analysis on Martin Bryant. I mean at what point does America learn something needs to be done about their gun laws? Why is this almost impossible? I’m glad Australia changed our gun laws. This massacre changed our whole country. Politicians on both sides worked together and in a few months it was law. A right to bare arms doesn’t change the record amounts of school shootings….it’s shameful.
Agree absolutely, he does not understand the Australian context at all. Certainly his information is very dated as many who opposed the legislation now support it after recognising the fairly small effect that it had on their lives.
It's very hard for Americans or South Africans or people who live in other violent societies to understand how alien the idea of guns as a fundamental right is to those of us who live in less violent countries. Not a controversial issue, never seen any campaigning to make it easier for people to kill each other. If I went to a local police station and said I need to own a gun to protect myself, they would look at me with curiosity - "Protect yourself from what?" I try not to get involved with debates on guns because if you live in a country where gun ownership and killings are rife, what can you do? Can't go back in time and change things so they can live like the rest of us. Better to say nothing and let them get on with it. I suggest the same approach from people who live in those gun rampant countries trying to advice the rest of us about what is good for us.
@Lisa Nadis, well said. I agree with you 100%. There is no reasoning when the belief is that it is some God given right to own and use a gun. How do you explain the simple concept that violence begets more violence? As you say, you can't turn back time, it will only get worse. No amount of mass shootings will shift their thinking as the view is that guns aren't bad, the owners are!
@@deborahprosper751 Well, yes. For me the idea that you have a fundamental right to own a gun is as strange as the idea that you have a fundamental right to own a landmine. Or a small nuclear weapon. Why not? You never know when you might need to defend yourself or your property. If that sounds ridiculous, that's how ridiculous the right to keep a gun in the house sounds if are fortunate enough not to live in a gun culture.
America is a violent society? Huh. Where I grew up near Boston even grandmothers had guns. Violent crime was COMPLETELY unknown, and not because the grans were waving guns around. I suppose it could have something to do with the total lack of diversity in the local population - nothing but boring ol' white people for thirty miles in any direction. Whatever the reason, it just isn't a violent place. Of course, if all you know about America is what you see on TV, you might think otherwise.
@@cht2162 That is interesting. I don't feel qualified to comment on the use of guns in America. I do feel like commenting when an American tells us that we should be more like them and normalise guns as if they are a natural part of life, whereas I am quite happy seeing them only when I am on holiday in the USA.
I live in a society that's arguably safe, and in fact you can't really get a firearms licence on the basis of self-defense, nor is there a right to own them. But we have a large amount of guns, and they're ownership isn't universally seen as incomprehensible or alien. One major factor in this is a cultural connectedness with nature, and hunting as a part of it. Another is national defense. We have a conscripted military, so the majority of men (and many volunteer women) in any age group are familiar with firearms, and that takes a lot of mystique and fear out of it. The history of fighting for our independence in three large wars, and getting through that in large part by the competence of the infantryman, trained willingly, does contribute to the understanding of the need and importance of firearms and the knowledge to use them.
Fascinating discussion on this case. I can see how important balance is on our societies. Making laws based on “what you do to the least you do to me” versus personal freedoms at any cost. Ethics aside, it seems that Martin was very disturbed from a young age and did not get the help he needed. You explained his childhood wasn’t bad but his mother knew something was seriously wrong with him.
@@AlwaysPossible100 completely agree mate, aussie here. None of the arguments of gun rights mentioned in this video resonated with me at all. We culturally (with exception of a few) don't care about guns, it's not part of our culture the same way it is in America. Gun violence has decreased BECAUSE of the gun laws that followed, thats a fact. I wouldn't make any arguments on what should happen in America though, the issue there is more complex, and the fact they could more easily have guns smuggled in illegally in their country compared to Australia where that really can't happen
When he was pre-teen he would torture animals and once lit a building on fire that had people in it. When he got into trouble and was asked whether he learned his lesson he said no, I’ll probably do it again. He was so low IQ, troubled and cruel that no one knew how to handle his situation.
@@Artybruh . The chances of getting randomly shot by a stranger in Oz are so small that it hardly occurs to most people. Most shootings are targeted organized crime (bikies) related.
Catherine H. I agree with you. I think part of the problem is that what he really needed was social skills. And lessons like this were hard to come buy back in the day. I have seen people with low IQ who have really good social skills, they talk and interact well.
I am Australian too and I definitely agree with the removal of guns. So do the majority of Australians. I definitely don't agree that owning a gun is a basic fundamental human right!! You lost me there! Although I respect your perspective. People who genuinely need them such as farmers are able to obtain them with a gun licence and there are shooting galleries throughout the country where you can go to shoot a gun if you feel the need. There is definitely no need for the average Joe to own a gun. The restrictions placed on gun ownership after Port Arthur has resulted in Australia having an extremely low firearm mortality rate compared to the USA's extremely high firearm mortality rate. I definitely appreciate living in a country where I don't have to fear trigger happy neighbours. Thanks so much for your videos Dr. Grande :) I enjoy watching them. This is the first time I've commented :D
It baffles my mind when people think people having military grade weapons is a "fundamental right" and that mass shootings that terrorize an entire nation is just the tradeoff we must endure so they can enjoy their hobby. I really enjoy Dr Grande's videos and he seems like an otherwise thoughtful person so I'm shocked to hear him express such gun fanatic ideas.
When the Port Arthur incident occurred in the mid-90s there was much talk in the media about AIDS. What if a news story broke about a gay Australian who had infected 35 sex partners with AIDS? If this story made a big splash in the media - what then? Would Parliament in Canberra crack down on homosexuality with more anti-gay restrictions?
You do realise that there is more guns and gun owners around now then there was back in 1996 and that not just farmers can own firearms a lot more people than you realise own firearms most for hunting and recreational
As an Australian I think the big reason we're big on gun control is because, even if homicide rates are comparable, it's easier to avoid becoming part of that statistic if you play your cards right. Getting involved with shady characters will still, as always, provide the chance of being murdered. Similarly, getting in a stranger's car will do the same. But the chances of minding your own business at a cafe, or at work, or at a club and yet still becoming the victim of a murder are drastically lowered. Especially for mass murders, seeing as we haven't had an indiscriminate mass murder since (I think we've had a familicide or two though). I guess it's a lot harder to kill 20 random strangers with a knife, so when these dangerous people make these plans, they usually try to illegally obtain a firearm and are often caught in the process. But yeah, I think the general consensus is that while the murder rates are still comparable, it's much easier to avoid being murdered.
@@RaelThomas Figures don't bare out, dude, the number of deaths by guns in America, with the different populations taken into account, is way off the chart. Y'all got one righteously ugly mess you need to see to before you start explaining the smell away with different population numbers.
This event left a scar on the collective Australian psyche. You didn't even mention that he chased one of those little girls behind a tree. A complete monster. It severely impacted the people that were first responders and innocent bystanders. I know of at least one person that came to the scene to help and ended up committing suicide. I am proud to live in a Country that has decided that we don't need guns in normal day to day life and that we don't have to live with the fear of gun violence.
that is horrendous to hear and imagine! and as a european all i can say - good on australia for reacting swiftly and decisively. americans will bend over backwards to try to justify the fact that year after year they let thousands of people die needlessly all in the name of a """fundamental""" right 🙄
@@小鹿-p8f Someone has to remain free and coherent in order to bail you Europeans out every time one your leaders goes soft in the head and declares himself Supreme Ruler of the Universe. Our guns allow us to stay that way. Just try to think of them as a vaccine against tyranny.
why should owning a gun be a fundamental right? owning a car is a similar thing - but you still need a licence and to test people to make sure they are capable of using a car in order for them to have one. I think guns are the same (if not more so).
@@mediamonster8005 I'm just pointing out why guns, unlike cars, are considered a fundamental right in the US. The political conditions in my own country have no bearing on that fact.
@@eadweard. and even if you did, do you think a few people with some guns could fight back against the whole US military? you're president is also the commander in chief... he can enforce the entire army forces on your population... owning a few guns does nothing but put your immediate family and friends at risk.
Dr. G. By fair comparison, it would be interesting to see, how many school massacres Australia has had in, say, the past 20 years compared to America, don't you think?
And maybe also consider the social aspect that you people so love to ignore. How many decades did people take guns to school and even have classes with them? It's the gradual weakening of society via the education system itself, and now especially social media. The guns have always been there. It's clearly because it's absolute total control from our tyrannical government and not safety, otherwise the primary issue would be dealt with, which is handguns. The cities already have strict laws and highest crime rates though so that would destroy the narrative. Australians are bending over to a corrupt government and expect everyone else to, but we in the US know damn well that the government needs us weak to finalize their globalist plans. If you're unfamiliar with any of that I suggest you do some research and stop choosing to be so blind to the actual nature of things.
@@sallywarren5700 I've seen enough to understand the state of corrupt governments. Australia is tyrannical. Stay asleep if you wish but it doesn't change that undeniable fact.
Being bullied and being a bully can be so disruptive too a young childs social learning and ability. Having been bullied myself i can say that im still every day learn small tricks to try and catch up to others my age when it comes to being socialy adequate.
Yea same here. I didn't experience it so intensely that I was ever beat up, but I did endure bullying to quite a degree. I also experienced at home too. It had a tremendous effect on how I function as an adult that I still deal with everyday.
Same here. I don't really hold any grudge towards society in general, but one day I'll get revenge on the bastard that caused be to be socially stunted to begin with.
They were the ones who were socially inadequate because they bullied you. You’re not ‘socially inadequate’ but learning some tips and tricks is good. No one is perfect in social situations and we all feel awkward at times.
I am an expat, now an Australian citizen, I was an avid shooter and was on the shooting team in high school. However, living in Australia, I feel 100% safer from random gun violence. However, you can still own guns in Australia it is not a 100% ban. There are gun clubs, and you can own and shoot your gun there. Also, if you own a property, outside of the urban areas you can own certain types of guns to protect yourself from dangerous animals and pests. Those guns can also be used for sports shooting on that property. You simply cannot walk around with a gun, buy a gun at the local department store or have one in your house. Also keep in mind Australia is a Federation, not a constitutional republic. Our constitution is for the federation not the people. And we do not have a bill of rights. So, no one here has the right to “bear arms” or “plead the fifth”. We do have laws for freedom of speech, and the right to not incriminate ourselves but they are not part of the constitution and are legislated differently and are not a blank check.
Sounds like you found the right place for you, if you fear gun violence. I have no such fear, and place a high value on freedom. I have visited Australia twice and enjoyed it. However, based on the recent shows of force against its citizens, I could never live there.
@@Relayer56 I'm sorry you have NO idea what you are talking about. Do not conflate American Politics with Australian Politics. On the most part people here are MORE than happy to have had the lockdowns and safety and security. The few who are complaining about it are the outliers not the norm. Everyone I know no matter their political leanings, would rather be safe than believe they are better off with their family and friends dying around them. so they can have "MY FREEDOM" that's just foolhardy, selfish and childish. Go ahead and stay in American.
I rarely disagree with you, however I am so glad we don't have this "fundamental right" here in Australia... Also, I think you'll find it's more like 99% in support of this. The US intentional homicide rate (per capita) is over 5 times (that's 500%) the rate of Australia. You can still buy guns in Australia, but not ones that are completely unnecessary for civilians (read: handguns, or machine guns) and the licensing is rigourous and thorough, as it should be. Since 1991, 3 Australians have died in school shootings. Three.
Australian here too and just so you know, you can buy handguns in Aus, there're just different licences for long arms, handguns and semi autos. Also, just wanted to ask, where did you get the number 3 from for shootings in Aus since '91? That sounds like far too few.
@@commander31able60 weapons serve a purpose. Like... For hunting... So it's very easy to figure out... Does a civilian have any use for an assault rifle? No.
@@colh3127 Since 1991, Australia has experienced six school shootings. Two of these shootings, La Trobe University and Monash University, had one and two deaths respectively. The other four shootings did not have any deaths. The most recent school shooting in Australia was at Modbury High School in Adelaide on May 7, 2012, which resulted in no deaths and no injuries. Australia instituted strict gun control laws after a 1996 mass shooting (but not a school shooting) in which a gunman walked into a cafe in Port Arthur, Tasmania, and murdered 35 people and wounded another 23.
@@RaelThomas does a person have any use for a car when they can ride a bicycle or take a bus? Does a casual gamer need an RTX 3090Ti? Does a person that has less-than-perfect vision without glasses need glasses? The “nobody needs an assault rifle” is retarded and I’m tired of hearing it.
We in fact have more guns now in Australia than before Port Arthur, about 3.6m now vs 3.1m then. The reason, as Dr Grande pointed out, is that the number of private gun owners has reduced, but guns per owner has increased (current average of 3.9 guns per owner). So long as you do not have FPO, pass a background check, and have a “genuine reason” for owning a gun, you can own one. Actually there’s no limit, get 10. But “self-defence” is not a legitimate reason. That may sound unjust to some folk, but self defence is a lame excuse for any nut job (insert any episode of Judge Judy). If you want to own a gun and know how to use it in a private capacity, you become a member of a gun club. In short, guns are owned in Australia by people who have legitimate work requirements, and property or private interests, and demonstrate the level of responsibility and sincerity required to keep them. If you can’t be bothered with all of that but just want to know what it’s like to fire a weapon, you can still go to your local shooting range, pass a quick check and go for gold. You’ll be restricted to rifles but still a lot of fun.
The numbers do not reflect firearms % increase vs. population % increase from '96 to present (more or less.) Firearms: ~16.1% increase. Population: ~45% increase. Close to 95% difference. Cheers!
I'm sorry for the perhaps silly question, but what is FPO? As someone who lives in the States, I'm incredibly torn about the gun issue. In our country, gun violence is so prevalent that there've been times when people who were armed actually saved lives by taking down the mass shooter. one of these happened at a church in Texas, the other was at a mall just last month, but I can't remember where. I struggle with liking the idea of your average person not needing guns, and with the need to defend yourself from gun violence. I'm completely blind, so I have no reason or desire to own a gun, and I never will, it's just something I ponder. I get angry/frustrated when people are so severely pro-gun laws here that they don't look at other countries' perspectives, or when people from other countries don't try to understand where we are right now. Truthfully, we're in an incredibly scary place, and my fiance and I have talked, lightly, about leaving the U.S. someday. I don't know if it'll happen, but who knows. Thank you so much for your insight. It helps to understand and to try to understand another's perspective.
@@AmyAndThePup FPO = Firearm protection order. I understand your conflict with the issue being in the US. The reason “self defence” is not a legitimate reason for gun ownership here is that the question becomes ‘what are you defending yourself from?’ Gun violence is very rare here - A total of 27 homicides from firearms in 2019-2020. While there is violent crime, it’s extremely unlikely you will need to defend yourself against a gun, and therefore can arguably protect yourself by less escalatory means. This is of course attributed to our gun laws and accessibility. So there’s no real argument to be made for the good guy with a gun here. The US on the other hand… I really feel for your position in a nation with such a ridiculous incidence of gun violence. Would more restrictions on gun ownership help prevent attacks, or hinder well intended citizens? It helped us, but how much of that is because of our demographics, personal and national relationship to guns, etc.
They did intervene by denying him access to his money but not his guns, although laws may not have allowed for this at the time, it is not hard to imagine this may have set him off further.
As an Australian I believe we did the right thing for us all. We dont have and never did have a love of guns like an American has,. I will nrver understand an individual who has a right to own a gun. I do however believe that an individual has the right to protect themselves, their family and or property , in a reasonable and humane manner, using whatever they feel is reasonably necessary to do so. That may be by means of a weapon , physical attack or assault , verbal or mental aggression /abuse. So long as the person or persons are given a warning (if practical and can do so), and the person or petsons attemting assault or harm on that said person are made aware of the consequences to themselves if they continue to atack/assult the person . Eg fire a warning shot, say if you step any vloser i will shot you in the leg, foot (whatever) and then it will be a kill shot if you keep going (as a last resort. ) I also believe the person must also attemt to persuade the atackers by other means either verbally or physically ie throw a stuck or stones (?) as long as the defendant can show they made readonable attempts to subdue or persuade the attackers from their course of action as much as possible and by using as much less harmful means as possible, then they can be expected to to defend themselves , family and property without prosecution . And be absolved of guilt according to the law. All the warning sighns were there but as usuall ans what is not unique to Australia , is that mental health is often overlooked , underestimated and not very understood and resources are scarce. When something like this happens then we all cry out for change , theres alot of noise and even more promises by our leaders and then when the sensation is over its sweept under the caroet untill the next sad event. Maybe instead if “jjust gun laws” thatI still believe in by the way, we could have a serious talk and reform on mentsl health and ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Niw that eould be great.! Maybe DR G and other youtubets would need diffetent content to talk about on their channels.
Dr Grande, why didn't you mention the fact that they have had significantly fewer mass shootings than we have in this country? I think that's pretty significant.
We have had 0 mass shooting since this one. And we had a few before this one... the gun buy back is a very clear success. Dr Grande is reckless in his statements here and exercising extreme bias... he talks about homicide rate declining but doesnt put that down to the law changes and doesn't talk about mass shootings because he would then have to admit it's been a huge success... very bias and disappointing. I expected better from him.
@@s13180sxSR20DET I mean no disrespect but here I come. The reason why he's being reckless or kinda pro gun is because Dr. Grande is an American and Americans are infected with a certain mindset. In some ways and to a lesser extent akin to North Korea's brain washing.
@@komoriaimi I mean, I'm an American. I made the original comment here... I'm very much opposed to gun violence, and the rampant availability of firearms, these weapons of mass destruction, in this country. You can't even go to the movies without the threat of being gunned down. Hell. You can't even go to fucking Walmart these days, without potentially getting shot up. Just this last weekend, there was a shooting in a Walmart near my house (Walmart is a large department store, for anyone who doesn't know, the kind that pretty much everyone goes to...) The unwillingness to act and change anything relating to our gun culture is absolutely infuriating in my opinion. This country is in a rapid decline. In many ways. We have this absolutely undeserved American exceptionalism around here, where we seem to think that we are the best, above the rest of the world in so many ways. Except, there's more violence than many places in the world. There is more poverty than a lot of places in the world. We don't have socialized medicine. In fact, if you lose your job, you lose your health insurance. You literally get zero days of paid vacation guaranteed by law. We are dominated by our capital overlords. I fucking hate this place. And everything it stands for.
@@ants_in_my_eyes_Wilson I'd agree with a surprising amount of your comment, perhaps for differing reasons. I will say though, when one strictly looks at a sound comparison between Australian shootings pre and post Bryant incident legislation vs. America...Well, America is America, and not Australia. What works here, doesn't work there and vice versa. We're different from strayans, czecks, nigerians, russians, etc, etc.
@@mahlee18 not necessarily saying that what worked for Australia would work for America, but I am saying that doing absolutely nothing is not helping. Infact, It's getting worse.
@12:46 -- please cite you references. I've found that most countries that don't allow everyone to casually have guns, have fewer gun-rampages, fewer suicides by gun, and fewer gun-related accidents. What are your statistics here?
You've "found" I bet that you're the type of person that can't work a math problem and so you count on a calculator and trust blindly it gives you the right answer.
I am so grateful for the fact that we have strict gun laws here in Australia. If you want them, you can still get them. I believe that people should go through screenings before you can buy one and adhere to safety restrictions when you do have one. The right* to own a gun isn't taken away, there's just a bureaucratic barrier that helps to stop people from lashing out, buying and using one in the heat of the moment. That's not to say that spontaneous shootings don't happen, but I believe that barrier is why the rate of these shootings has stayed down, though it would be interesting to know why it was going down before the laws were introduced. Thanks for your analysis Dr. Grande, I'd love to see more international cases covered on your channel! *Note that we don't actually have fundamental rights that're protected by the govt. in AUS, we just have a few scattered provisions (which I think is an issue, but that's a different discussion).
you do know that same bureaucratic barrier exists in every country with legal firearms ownership? even in the USA there are background checks and you usually have a wait period, depending on the state, before you can get any weapons.
I live in Queensland and own several rifles, I like the licensing system in that it's not too difficult or complicated to get a firearms licence but is enough of a hassle that anyone who isn't going to take owning a firearm seriously isn't going to bother (it takes about 6 weeks after completing the firearms safety course to receive the licence and another 6-8 weeks to receive the first permit to actually purchase a gun).
@@commander31able60 I should have clarified that I like that Australia's gun restrictions are amongst the most strict in the world. What I said in my original comment implies that I thought the US had no restrictions which is not true at all of course.
I am a retired Australian farmer who has owned guns all my life (the new regulations took no 'rights' away from me). People understand that cars (or drones) can be dangerous and accept that they require regulation and registration, licensing and training. But when those rules are applied to guns, some people lose their minds. The Australian regulations do help prevent things like children accidently accessing guns and shooting siblings, school mates, and parents. If that was the only benefit then that alone is enough.
people in Queensland are having their gun licenses stripped for speeding offences, and the QPS have introduced a deliberately vague barrier to ownership that they can use on pretty much anyone "A person of fit and proper character" but they will not under any circumstances define "fit and proper character"...
Interesting analysis. As an Australian, and a partner of a hunter who (legally) owns several firearms though, I have to respectfully disagree with your views on gun "rights". Australians can still acquire guns if they have a demonstrated need and are competent. I have not yet met an Australian who has a problem with our gun laws being the way that they are. We can send our children to school without fearing they will be shot. Every person I have ever discussed the matter with is glad our laws allow for safe gun ownership and largely prevent unstable individuals from acquiring such weapons. But, this is just one of those things where people from one country simply cannot understand others. Us Australians simply cannot understand why the USA clings to their guns while their children are shot at school over and over again.
"I have not yet met an Australian who has a problem with our gun laws being the way that they are." the best argument against democracy is a 15-minute conversation with the average voter. in other words, people don't know or understand anything while pretending they do.
Like many others posting here, I am Australian. This is very much a "Where were you when you heard...?" incident for Australians. I should point out that this incident was preceded (admittedly, by nearly a decade) by two mass shootings in Melbourne: the Hoddle Street massacre and the Queen Street massacre, both of which occurred in 1987 and within four months of each other. These two incidents, like the Port Arthur, involved single male shooters: Julian Knight (Hoddle Street) and Frank Vitkovic (Queen Street). Of these two, one perpetrator survived (Julian Knight) and like Martian Bryant, remain imprisoned. Frank Vitkovic ended his life by smashing the window on the floor of the building on which was disarmed (Level 11), and jumping to his death. Vitokovic's disarming is an astounding story in itself, and I encourage others to seek out records of the bravery of those involved in this action. While there was almost a decade between these incidents and the one in Tasmania, the reaction to Martin Bryant's rampage was 'one-step-too-far' for most Australians. Not only did Bryant kill more people, but the range in ages of his victims was also wider. Some also believe his methodical execution of many of his victims to be even more callous than the murders carried out by Knight and Bryant. In any case, with respect I would say that it was within these *contexts* - not just what occurred in Port Arthur - that more severe restrictions of firearms were put into place. Explorations of Julian Knight and Frank Vitkovic could possibly serve as future uploads.
Thanks. Martin acts that day were horrible as weird and strange was his whole life before the massacre. I followed Port Arthur events since they unfolded long time ago. I am trying to watch Nitram the movie shoted in Cannes two years ago
Dr grande. I normally agree with you, but australia had multiple mass shootings before and not a single one since. So all benefits as far as I’m concerned. And besides, you can still go to a gun range and get a license if you can prove you need it.
it's not about you proving you need it, but about the issuing authority deciding whether you need or not. that's the difference between "may-issue" and "shall-issue".
@@sherrylovegood yes, Wikipedia is a reputable source. we're not 2005 anymore. each line there has sources below, if you want to go to the source. Wikipedia provides a condensed information package.
@@sherrylovegood Wikipedia isn't but a shitty nearly-defunct website from 2005 is. yes I went to high school too - the only reason teachers refuse to accept Wikipedia as a source is that it would be too easy.
I also watched a video about Martin. Truly horrifying! I cannot believe how long he was tormenting people…. He knew exactly what he was doing…. He enjoyed it his entire life. He never should have had the opportunity to kill so many innocent people.
I live in a country where guns are not a fundamental right, and I'm appreciative of someone who talks about guns and gun rights in a rational way. I always listen closely when Dr. Grande talks about guns. It's hard for someone outside of the USA to understand the American passion for arms, especially automatics and semiautomatic weapons. I did grow up in a family of hunters, but there were only hunting guns. Although Tasmania's murder count did not go down as a result of the change in gun laws, I do notice that the US has many more gun deaths than countries that have strong gun control.
It definitely changes things when you're in a country where guns aren't common. Sometimes makes ya feel safer. I remember being in Taiwan (where guns are extremely uncommon) and riding up a mountain and ending up on a narrow road through a residential area, and thinking that if I were in the US I'd have to worry about potentially getting a gun pointed at me by a trigger-happy homeowner who was spooked by the sillhouette of a bicycle riding by his house at oh-dark-stupid.
@@nikkimclay5474 to verify that you'd need to go to a parallel world where these laws were not passed and look at the shooting data. it could just as well be other factors are responsible for a reduction in mass shootings, not just gun control. after all, you can still get guns.
"especially automatics and semiautomatic weapons" because self-loaders are the most fun to shoot. I wouldn't say there's an "American passion for arms", but there are a lot of gun owners in the USA as opposed to other countries. the country as a whole has a love-hate relationship with firearms.
50% topic on Martin Bryant... 50% on Australian gun laws... You bring into discussion gun control... Which is currently an American debate... Not an Australian debate... America has rising gun violence - mass shootings - school shootings... Yes there should be a serious debate... Port Arthur Massacre was the catalyst for the sweeping change to Australian gun laws in 1996.. 85% of Australians agreed with the change to gun laws... The right... or desire... to "bear arms" against each other is even less today... Does that appear this "fundamental right" has been taken away from us... Or has it been a 'majority' consensus and democratic decision by Australians on this topic.. Peace...
Soory. First time I didn't enjoy a video by Dr. Grande. It all has to do with guns, but I am a European, and therefore hold opposite views on the matter.
Gun violence and proliferation is one of the reasons I left the US and I will never go back. What kind of place does nothing about people being mass murdered with powerful firearms in schools, churches, parking lots, grocery stores and on and on? It's insanity.
The history of Europe shows me that those citizens who are unable to arm themselves tend to fall victim to totalitarian regimes. Especially in Slavic countries.
I remember when this happened! My neighbours were in tasmania on holidays I heard later that they had just left the cafe before Bryant went crazy! Truly terrifying watching the news was bad enough! I will never forget it so sad☮️🇦🇺
I can't even imagine he just went around shooting everybody I'm with his IQ who knows what else he could have done but situation had to be terrifying for people there
so somehow, in america, bearing arms is a "fundamental right" (why?) but having medical insurance, unemployment benefits, guarantee that you won't become homeless etc, are not.... you do you i guess...
A little knowledge is dangerous, you need to educate yourself, we have a constitution in the United States and there's a second amendment, why don't you read- up on that, before you post ? we have unemployment as well & medical care, you're just repeating hear-say.
@@frankpaya690 no i am quite familiar with the facts. do you know that in most european countries you don't have to pay for medical insurance? you actually just...have it? everyone does. that is what it means to have universal health as a fundamental right. As for your second amendment, just because it's in the constitution, doesn't mean it makes any sense. in fact ,that is the entire point of my post, you guys have really skewed priorities and the rest of the world keeps looking in horror as people like you try to defend it....
As per your request Dr Grande, I am placing a comment here as I am sure it will generate an "interesting dialogue". Thank you as always for your informative videos, however could not let this one pass without comment as it hit so close to home. Your commentary regarding peoples right to bear arms is fundamentally simplistic. I am Australian and remember the Port Arthur massacre like it was yesterday. The fact that Bryant had access to so many military grade weapons amplified his carnage a thousand fold...at one point killing 12 people in 15secs. So we as Australians said "never again", our government listened and 12 days later we had the largest overhaul of gun control legislation in our country's history. No-one b!tched that they had lost their "fundamental" rights to own a gun (we hadnt by the way...) or that the government was evil and wanted to take all our rights away (they weren't). You saying - in essence - you don't agree that law abiding gun owners should be punished for the actions of a few bad apples is (in my opinion) reflective of the stranglehold gun lobbyists have on the US. How many more mass shootings do you need to make a change?? How many more parents have to bury their children because some kid was having a bad day and decided to bring an assault weapon into a school....?? I'm sorry for the rant but like I said this subject hits close to home...my friends husband was in that café...
I couldn't agree with you more. Americans are so obsessed with guns and I believe they are eventually going to destroy this society. Was it Einstein who said "when America falls it will not be destroyed from the outside. it will be destroyed from the inside . I think I'll move to Australia.. Plus due to the wind currents it's probably the only country that would be safe in a nuclear war. I guess I can raise sheep or at least do something!
@@kkheflin3 You would be more than welcome Down Under my friend...and I'm sure we'll find something for you to do (in case the sheep thing doesn't work out 😊). Totally agree with your comments...absolute shame that not all Americans see what is happening to their lovely country
Really your sceptical of gun restrictions? I find that incredible. Guns do make murder much easier,I’m certain majority of murders are committed in heat of moment, regretted immediately afterwards. So country’s where their freedom to bare arms,murder is always far higher, this is a shame as it means many are incarcerated who may never have killed?
Not really, if you do believe the majority of murders happen in the heat of the moment the most likely method would be a knife or some sort of blunt force trauma i.e. fists. Overall firearms rights are a human right as everyone should have the ability to protect themselves.
Hearing about Martin's enjoyment on the flight just breaks my heart. There's a lot of 'what if's I could lay out, but the bottom line is that none of the better alternatives happened. Ultimately, this is a textbook example of why psychiatrists and psychologists are crucial professions in any developed country.
Exactly! Just as in Columbine, Sandy Hook, Parkland, Uvalde, Highland Park and the list goes on. Every one of these had a mentally diminished loner as the perp! They sent off hints, (not going to use the term red flags!) and they were ignored!
Dr Grande, this is the case that finished gun ownership in Australia 🇦🇺. The government brought back all guns for $1000 no questions. Then introduced strict pre purchasing gun rules. You must also have no mental health history. Thank you for the cool analysis 🧐.
@@The_Crusty_Old_Hag_Next_Door As an Australian firearm owner here we are far from happy with the gun laws and continuous regulation creep on them. They are flawed regulations, john edwards abuse of the system, weapon apperance laws and treatment of outback farming required pistol owners are but a few of the examples we are currently dealing with.
@Randy Savage's Coke Stash an interesting view, but australia has had no mass shootings since that day. well worth the trade off, most australians believe. Just think, we could have had regular school and shoppping centre shootings like the usa, had the decision not been made.
@@balthazzaarmontague8036 we have had several mass shootings since port arthur, Darwin mass shooting, osmongton family massacre, hunt family murders, monis hostage crisis at martin place. hunter valley massacre, hells angels shoot-out in Adelaide. Etc. And that's just with guns. That's not including the mass murders by arson or knives etc.
Why do americans think gun restrictions means banning guns. We still have guns in australia. We just have reasonable responsible restrictions. It’s no different to the restrictions we have on cars. You have to have a licence to drive one. You have to register your vehicle. You have to abey certain laws when you are using your vehicle. You cant just drive where you want, you have to use your vehicle in the designated roads etc. these are no different to the laws on guns. It’s crazy that even a reasonable smart American is still so bias towards guns laws.
I was born in 1976 in Australia. I remember this clearly. Especially the gun buy back scheme. My dad was a Hunter. I remember he sold all of his guns in that scheme.
@@oldsalt8011 It isn't going to happen, but I'll play your game as I know it's a huge fantasy of Americans. So if you somehow see a trained Chinese army platoon coming your way you hide rather than taking pop shots exposing your location. That way you'll survive to get reinforcements rather than being taken prisoner and facing torture or being shot to death. I'd rather be called names (eg coward) than being dead from stupidity.
@@DistinctiveBlend Well yes of course if you can fortify and wait for help you are better off to improve your chances of survival. America will never give up its rites to bare arms. I still think it would be wise for Australia to be ready at let its citizens exercise the option to arm themselves.
It was very interesting to hear Dr Grande’s ideas about gun restriction. We know Dr Grande knows a lot about guns. We heard all about his love of cars- but not yet about how he came to know so much about guns. This is another case I never heard of. The joke about the airplane was golden!🤠💕
@@mads597 If the majority of people that are bullied don't wind up murdering anybody, then "bullying" is not your common denominator, any more than guns are.
For me, I'm not seeing how access to a gun is a fundamental right. It's a piece of technology. "Right to defend yourself" and "Right to arms" are related but different. I believe it's in a countries right to restrict gun ownership through democratic processes to whatever level they see fit.
The right to self defense cannot be separated from the right to possess effective means of self defense. For many people in many situations, a firearm is the only reliable, effective option. A paraplegic can fight off a 200 pound man with a firearm. An 80 year old woman could. There are stories of 10 year old boys and women 8 months pregnant driving off multiple armed home invaders because they had access to a firearm. That's not true of any other type of weapon or means of self defense. So if we agree with the idea that self defense is a fundamental human right we must acknowledge that firearm ownership is a fundamental human right.
As a gun enthusiast who would love to own an assault rifle, I 100% agree with the restrictions placed on gun ownership after Port Arther. The safety of the people supersedes my desire to shoot things fast. Also we have had close to zero mass shootings since, so Grandes argument about the efficacy of the ban is wrong.
Gun ownership is NOT a fundamental human right. That statement is hilarious. Just because a few men decided to stick in the constitution of one country does not make it so. Most people have other things to think about than owning an automatic rifle.
Too bad we in America cannot learn from one shooter who kills many. We will never get all the guns off the street in America. Sad situation all around.
When armed society has a better level of bargaining power against the government and the rich who have weaponised their wealth through lobbying. Stealing peoples guns doesn't treat the cause of why people act out, it's just trying to control them without paying greater costs for a better standard of living with having treatment for mental health.
I’m an Aussie. Here in Australia honestly for most of us (city dwelling urban living) we are more than happy to not be able to own semi automatic rifles in order to restrict individuals from having easy access to mass murder. It wasn’t gun control for gun control’s sake it was mass murder that was unacceptable. The measures have been successful in that regard. For context there is still a strong community of sports shooters, hunters and farmers/ graziers that have and own guns safely here
@@PrimericanIdol do you really think that's reality? It says a lot about you that your fantasy scenario is "shooting them commies" like some sort of action movie hero. It's delusion.
No one here in Australia is worried about guns, or feels stripped of their rights. I came here in 82 when I was 3, I remember the Martin Bryant incident, I presumed it happened in the US when I heard about it, I was shocked when I heard it happened in Australia. I thought it was cool when I saw the footage of everyone handing their guns in when it happened. You can own a gun here if you need one. I believe a lot of Australians are bewildered by Americas need to be armed.
Because when trying to get your kid help therapists ask things like that....not like she was saying it to him, it's on the mental health records as how everyone, her included, described his behaviour and those were released after this mass shooting.
I always think of the person who is delegated with that kind of disposal! Who is the one who will do the deed? This is a human being after all even if a poor one!
She called him annoying because he was ..what bothers me is her not taking it more serious than it was ..she had to have known there was something very wrong with him
@@meebrbey True, I wonder: did they never try to get help by letting treat his obvious problems? Had he been in therapy as a child, his life could have been different. And the lives of the many victims.
Another terrific video and analysis from the Doctor. Your last comments hit hard with being a vet. If you ever want to use their services, the more of yourself you have to give.
Love your videos Dr Grande, maybe first time commenter. Most Australians don't mind these restrictions because they realise they don't need guns. Legitimate gun ownership is easily avalible to legitimate people. Farmers, sport shooters and range enthusiasts. It's really not an issue, unless you have some prior criminal and/or violent history. Simple as that! That's why it works for us. I live in Tasmania and love my country. Thanks so much for all of your fantastic content.
Not quite as simple as that... there was a mass buyback (confiscation). Why is it always a matter of NEED? Maybe you like Corvettes or Maserati's. You don't NEED them, please just get a 1976 Ford Pinto and be happy.
@@billyotoole-o1u like I already said. Australians don't need guns. Those that do can have them with proper licensing. It's no big deal. We already have too many migrants, but they can't have guns either. We just don't have to worry about too many unhinged freaks having unlimited access to guns and ammo for no reason. Simple.
At the time of the massacre I was at Sizzlers celebrating a neighbour’s birthday. Soon after getting home I heard helicopter after helicopter overhead. Realising that something bad must have happened I turned on the radio and heard the news about what had happened. First reports said 7 had been killed but all through the afternoon and into the next day the death toll rose. I had briefly met one of the victims. He had come to Tasmania to do family research and I had helped him locate some sources at the Tasmanian archives. One of my neighbours had gone to school (New Town Primary) with the killer and said he was a bit odd.
Over 25 yr later and in Australia this is still considered a major tragedy. As far as your thoughts go; far from feeling like our rights are restricted, having gun control has given us freedom and peace of mind. Most of us here feel sorrow for countries with limited or no gun controls, whose citizens as a result have to suffer through deeply tragic and unfair situations like this one a lot more regularly
One of the beautiful qualities of the Australian lifestyle and way of being is that people there with guns mostly have a responsible interest for the use to possess them. So many less people feel empowerment from having guns to stand behind. Law enforcement feel like they maintain greater means for control in security to keep the peace. But plastic 3D printer guns or mini harpoons could become a problem. Guns there generally are not common in regard with the psychology or needs concern for youths.
Dr. I really love the fact that you really do read our comments. So many say they do but don't. Another thing we appreciate that about your channel. Thank you.
While I too appreciate his videos I see he is "selective" when it comes to comments of praise versus comments that may question his perception of reality.
Gun ownership is NOT a fundamental right. The fact that the majority of the world's population thinks it is not inherently proves the point. 11:58 "to deny some of the people the right" That's how practically all laws came into being. Why do you say this only about gun laws? 12:07 "I'm willing to give up my right" too right. We have dangerous people all around, and anyone can become dangerous induced by life events (divorce, cheated on, job loss, road rage). This is not about privacy. 12:45 "no statistical impact" ARE YOU KIDDING? The homicide rate fell MUCH FASTER in OZ following the additional restrictions then before. Same for Germany, UK, Finland, NZ, Switzerland, etc 13:26 "bad behaviour of 1 person" No, it is the risk posed by many, not the action of 1. Last but not least: homicides in the US has massively trended upwards in the last 4 years - and only in the US. Do you know what else has surged in the last 4 years in the US? Gun sales, and by the same ratio. There is no good valid argument for private gun ownership.
I don't quite understand the extra 1,652 years of prison, beyond the 35 life sentences without parole. Is that supposed to be some sort of realistic sentence, or just a ridiculous form of theater? Do they think he might be capable of slowing down his aging process, so the extra 1,652 years are there in case he succeeds? Is it supposed to be funny... maybe a form of sarcasm? And why stop at 1,652 years? Why not just round-up to an even 2,000... or a million years, for that matter? So many questions.
Owning firearms isn't a fundamental right in the US either. It's just claimed to be such because of a misinterpreted, often purposely so, part of the constitution. The intent of the lawmakers does matter. Still, one could argue that since the new meaning of the amendment has become fairly widely accepted and established, it is the current legitimate interpretation. Also, to say that the Australian law was changed because of the actions of one individual is wrong. Among other factors, it was changed because of the mostly preventable deaths of 35 people. That's still a minuscule part of the population and many Americans do see things in that light. If, say, ten million people were killed in a massacre committed by a single individual, I think it could be enough to change laws even if the chances of a similar event happening were one in a quadrillion.
As an Australian that section of the video was hard to hear tbh, I really enjoy living in a society where guns are rare and the supposed lack of statistical difference in homicides is of little interest to me when you can live relatively free of fear. A firearm is not a basic necessity like food, water or shelter, it has one purpose and one purpose only and that is to cause physical harm. If you need one for farm work or to cull kangaroos or whatever other apparently legitimate reason, you can get one, so it's not like it's impossible or we all threw our weapons in a fire and are now vulnerable to alien invasion- but if these laws prevent even one senseless act of cruelty and violence, then I support it and wouldn't change a thing.
@@emilyveale2805 if you acknowledge that the ban has made no statistical difference in number of homicides, then your fear or lack thereof is irrational and not based in evidence
@@klown463 That's exactly the kind of misinterpretation I was talking about. Your quote is a small part from the middle of a paragraph that sets the context. It's not a disconnected section or even a sentence, despite often being touted that way.
Thank you for that Doctor. As an Australian I am so glad that we tightened our gun laws to restrict access to automatic weapons. Gun crimes are extremely low compared to USA. You guys have to do something. Mass shootings happen far too often.
You know nothing about gun laws, we never had automatic weapons and the laws now only affect people who obeyed them prior to the shooting, Australia has been made into some nanny state afraid of firearms.
I’m shocked to hear you speak of guns as a fundamental right like the right to privacy. Yes, I’m Australian. Since Pm John Howard banned semiautomatic guns murders still occur, true. However, mass shootings are extremely rare since that time. Our children don’t have “shooter drills” at school and we don’t worry about gun crime. God bless America.
I'm American and yeah, I couldn't believe Sandy Hook wasn't our Port Arthur. The statistics on Australian mass murders after 1996 are extremely significant, I don't see why he said there's no statistical difference.
it's like americans outright refuse to accept the fact that nowhere else in the world is the situation as acute as it is there. they seem so detached from the rest of the world that they can't imagine that some of us don't actually live in constant fear of being shot...
@@小鹿-p8f tbh as an American, I know the feeling. I used to live in Australia and it was nothing like it is here. I live in a conservative and republican state so hearing people talking about how they don’t want their gun rights infringed upon is pretty crazy. It’s one thing to say that you want to be able to own a gun because of our amendment rights but it’s another thing opposing restrictions on how easy it is to get one. At some point it would be nice to have people look around and recognize that too many people have access to the more dangerous guns
@@小鹿-p8f I agree that major restrictions need to be made regarding access to guns. However, I don’t and I don’t believe anyone I know lives in fear of being shot. Sad as it is, things like that just kinda blend into the background and no one ever thinks it’ll happen to them. I think that’s actually a big reason why we fight gun control so fiercely. Because we DONT live in fear when maybe we SHOULD.
So much debate regarding the differences in gun laws between USA and Australia. It’s apples 🍎 and oranges 🍊. The constitution in the USA formed the way it did because it had to. Australia has a very different history. We didn’t need to fight between the British, French, Spanish etc., and we also didn’t have the same alliances and wars against the native people. No cowboy culture - just the British taking what they wanted, and putting down the original Australians with vastly superior firepower. Our modern day lives and attitudes are very different as a result. Our “constitution” is fundamentally British and the needs of the many are prioritised by the government.
Leading up to this massacre there had been a bunch of family murder-suicide incidents in which fathers murdered their whole families and then killed themselves. I know a family that nearly became one of those statistics. There is definitely a cultural difference between the US and Australia over guns. Our population is mostly urban and does not see guns as tools that they need like our country cousins do. Guns have a lot of restrictions on them but it is possible to own and use them so long as ammo is stored securely and seperately from the gun which is also stored securely. It's a lot of hassle and expense but it is do-able. The way a lot of us Aussies see it is that we don't _need_ guns so the vast majority of people did not feel they were giving anything up. Farmers and sport shooters need guns but they're a minority. Farmers can have a licensed gun for culling feral animals or kangaroos and sports shooters have to be members of a recognised club. This removes the temptation of an increadibly dangerous device from a person having a homicidal impulse. The other people who have guns only have them for criminal reasons.
There! You've stated it yourself, "The only other people who have guns only have them for criminal reasons." How could the criminals possibly have guns?! They were all confiscated! How could this be? So I guess, 'When guns are outlawed... only outlaws will have guns?" Congratulations, the effects of the koolaid have done their job.
I understand your analysis on fundamental rights… But what do you do when it’s multiple people i.e. the United States In the mini school shooters or public space shooters… What do you do with that? I mean I’m a gun rights person because I want to be able to own guns myself, but how do you handle a situation like what we have in the United States doctor?
Why do you want to be able to own guns for? Where is this massive indoctrination about having the right to own guns comes from? Should be the the real question here. 🧐
Do you have any actual reason for wanting to own guns, beyond just wanting the option? I’m an american too and frankly the gun culture here is absolutely insane
It's called regulation. Why do you need guns anyway? To fight a dystopian government sometime in the future? There is a name for that, it's called civil war. Are you really going to fight your neighbours with your AR15?
Martin Bryant's case is only important because of it's impact on gun rights. Before I became involved in sport shooting, I had never heard of this incident. Most well-read, sophisticated people outside of Australia have not heard of it.
@@patnolen8072 I understand the impact and importance of discussing gun laws with this case and explaining it to people who never heard of the case. However I feel the Dr shifted to much to this topic. I feel back then and in my day's the help and resources weren't there for kids who had problems however we didn't all turn into killers.
He couldn't have commited the attack after the change in gun laws. That's the point. People like him will always exist, but their ability to do harm is limited by the technology at their disposal. This discussion at the end of the video seemed rather muddled.
@@willnill7946 you mean like a lockdown to prevent a virus from killing millions of vulnerable people? Yeah, I can see how that might be required in some circumstances.
Why was there no physical evidence tying him to the crime why was he under conservator ship but allowed to plead guilty why has every single piece of evidence the Australian government has been sealed
Thank you. These are THE questions everyone should ask. Sources of irrefutable forensic evidence identifying the shooter were available but have never been produced or made public.
Sorry Dr Grande, I love you but you're completely wrong about the homicide rates. And the statistics that are most relevant are homicides using guns and suicides using guns. There is a lot of misinformation in Australia regarding the murder rates by gun nuts who want to bring guns back. I wish you had looked at more resources to find the real stats on this one. Taking away the right to own something that is designed to kill is soooo different than taking away the right to peaceful assembly or something of that nature. I'm so glad I don't live in a country surrounded by guns. The gun laws worked here.
@@Warriorcock6969 cars have a purpose other than killing. We regulate cars. Make sure people driving them have licences and drive them safely. A car can kill, a gun will kill. That's it's primary purpose. It's completely different
Statistically speaking: Since the Port Arthur massacre and its resulting legislation, Australia has never had another spree shooting. Ever. That's a pretty major situation. I'm not saying your thoughts are incorrect I'm just saying that this is a massive piece of information that cannot be ignored outright. The US could never do what Australia did, regardless of "fundamental rights" (which, as a reminder, was built around a well regulated militia NOT a guarantee that everyone should be able to own whatever firearm they so pleased). We simply have too many weapons in the public sphere, with millions more being manufactured. Drones were properly regulated because they were a technology that was new to the scene and could be observed and regulated as we learned more about how people could use them. We do not have this luxury with guns. We do need federal consistency in our gun laws and, in an exception, we need that consistency to override states' sovereignty. Until we have that, the US will remain the lone country in which attacks like this take place with high regularity. When we decided that childrens' lives were worth less than consistent gun regulation, we found out who we were as a society. The rest of the world, however, already knew.
I just watched an documentary about this terrible event.. Yet again I found myself thinking " what would Dr Grande speculate is going on in a case like this?" and here you are. You never fail to deliver 🤗
I am an Australian citizen, born in the US and I emigrated to Australia as an adult over 25 years ago. While this is a good analysis of the mental history of Martin Bryant and the Port Arthur massacre Dr Grande, I think you are looking at the Australian change of gun laws with an Americanised lens. To view guns as aligned with basic “rights” makes the assumption that all societies and cultures should treat guns with the same reverence that the USA does. The USA’s constitutional right to bear arms is an historical artifact law which has no relevance in a civil modern society. Looking back, I am still amazed that a conservative government changed the gun laws in Australia on the basis of one mass shooting, so that it wouldn’t happen again. I feel much safer in Australia than I would in America now. The true measure of the wellbeing of a society is how it treats its most vulnerable members of society. The USA fails this test now on many levels, not least of which is the constant mass shootings in schools. If the USA can’t be persuaded to change the gun laws to protect its most vulnerable and precious children, then as a society it’s pretty fucked. As you said, the homicide rate had been dropping for some time already in Australia. That is not the reason why the gun laws were changed. It was to prevent massacres. I haven’t felt that my rights have been violated, I feel that my government and country did an amazing thing to protect me and my fellow Australian citizens.
I’m an Aussie, so I get to weigh in on this. For the first time I completely disagree with you Dr Grande. We don’t care about your ‘right to bear arms’. You talk about a lot of statistics, but statistics are just that, numbers that can be manipulated to give you any outcome you want. Gun laws across the board were completely tightened up. Automatic weapons were banned. You require a licence for each and every fire arm. Licences are not given without background checks. If you have a legitimate need to own a fire arm then you can obtain one. You just have massive responsibility for that privilege. Hundreds of thousands of weapons were turned in and destroyed, and their owners compensated. Guns must be stored in locked safes and ammunition in seperate locked storage. You don’t get the right to ‘carry’ a gun in Australia. When guns are removed from the picture in the majority of situations, you don’t end up with mass shootings every other day or stories of parents buying their children handguns to subsequently go shoot up their school. I was in Chicago a few years ago on July 5th, and preparing to head to the airport when the morning news came on the TV. The chippy little reporter said “this 4th of July weekend there have been 87 shootings in the city of Chicago, 13 people were killed and 5 of those were on the 4th of July”, like she was reading a weather report. We were horrified and glad to be heading home. I am happy with the lack of what you call a fundamental right but what I call an earned responsibility.
yeah, i agree with you... where i live, even operating a vehicle isn't considered a right, it's a privilege that needs to be earned by proving that you are able to do so responsibly... u.s. gun laws are even more restrictive than where i live, but what use are those laws if they are not enforced because some people are constantly ranting about people infringing on their rights by simply enforcing the law that's actually in place
Thanks for the sermon. As far as I know, we all have the right to "bare" arms. The shootings in Chicago are committed by gang members. I can just see a gang member wanting to get a gun, then realizing "I can't have a gun! I wouldn't want to break the law!"
@@natekeyes2297 thanks for pointing out that the drunk elves of autocorrect couldn’t help themselves. Duly noted and corrected. As for your gang argument - just what? If you eliminate all guns in the community, restrict types available for responsible usage and impose harsh penalties for owning one without appropriate licensing, then these incidents decrease. Yes we have criminal gangs here too. They have managed to amass huge caches of illegal firearms. When they are discovered, they are destroyed. I respect our law enforcement and the work they do to keep us safe. Your argument seems to be that you can’t fix the gangs so just ignore them. Seriously?
It is a very rare occassion when I disagree with your point of view but on this case possibly our culture and background separates our opinion . As an Australian I can confirm that the benefit to gun restrictions is evident in our daily lack of fear of school shootings , drive buys, accidental gun deaths and murder ! Australians generally view the concept of the right to bear arms as bizzare and frightening and even before gun restrictions, gun ownership in Australia was very rare except in the farming community and professions like the Police Force etc This is why the Port Authur Massacre was so shocking. Australians view our right to walk in peace and safety amongst our neighbours and society knowing that that it is very unlikely they will be armed with a gun as far more more valuable than any individuals right to carry or own a gun . The benefits of gun restrictions that you are so doubtful of, is much less gun death and much less gun murder and much less fear and tragedy ! The cost you refer to is meaningless in this context ! However looking at America (and most Australians share my view) , the cost of gun ownership in America is thousands upon thousands of people robbed of their lives at gunpoint every year ; a loss that can't truly be estimated in terms of numbers for who knows what any one of those people who needlessly die in America could contribute to society and perhaps the world ? What of their right to live ?
Trang dai massacre Tacoma Washington in I believe 1998 Interesting case, assailants were children of Cambodian immigrants and gang members. One of the imprisoned has said angry things on Facebook (yes prisoners often have access to a cellphone/internet). The killings didn’t stop after the massacre. The gang members and witnesses took their own lives/were murdered. Would be interesting to learn about the mentality behind this one.
As per an excellent assessment, although I differ from your take on guns i respect your right to own such things. In the UK they are legal if you have a purpose for them that can be demonstrated e.g hunting or farming and I think that is generally prefered here
The need for common people to own guns has been demonstrated time and time again by the tyrannical governments that oppress and murder them, but you keep on believing that your government cares about and protects you lol.
@@Autumn_Forest_ I don't believe that at all. I also don't believe the average citizen can do anything meaningful with firearms when their foe is a well trained and armed professional army.
I agree. Having a gun is not a fundamental right. A fundamental right is the right to have shelter, food, water, to practice your religion, and to go about your everyday life without being abused. Having a gun is not basic to ones survival or ones sense of humanity. In many senses it is actually antithetical to it.
I live in the Aust. outback an hour from nearest neighbour. living on the sparse land guns are a necessary part of life but most of us are still reluctant to use them; for some it's a sport like kangaroo shoots. But most Aussies abhor them and we love the U.S. but cannot understand their love of guns and enormous loss of life there, often accidental. Love your channel but got to disagree with you on your gun rights opinion ... guess just different cultures. thx
Guns are part of a larger belief in personal freedom, self reliance, and anti government sentiment. I’m not trying to be cringe, I’m just trying to explain that he vast majority of Americans aren’t stupid, or irresponsible. It’s a part of our culture and history going back to the American revolution. Many of us just want the government to leave us alone, and we accept the bad with the good.
Dr Grande I have a question for you. How do you account for the 6 hours that elapsed between 1:32pm when Wendy Scurr called the police and the Victorian police SOG actually attending the crime scene @7:30pm? That’s 6 hours after the call… Does that strike you as odd? Would love to hear your thoughts on that one 🤙🏽
Or why it took almost two hours and a half for the first SOG (SWAT) officers to arrive at the Seascape Lodge just before 4.00pm when the two local constables, Whittle and Hyland were trapped in the ditch 150 metres from the lodge. It’s only a 15 minute helicopter ride from Hobart. The Duty Inspector in Hobart, Peter Wild, supposedly did a high speed dash from Hobart to Taranna, a distance of 85 kilometres, arriving at 2.00pm to set up the forward command post. What happened to the two police boats launched from Hobart supposedly to Port Arthur? Who fired the three shots heard by the witnesses hiding in the Old Magistrates house, The Clougha at 6.30pm?
@@pauldevins8262 It is ‘interesting’ that only ‘conspiracy theorists’ can see the obvious, hear the obvious and speak about the obvious. It seems incredibly difficult for persons like Dr Grande to utter the “E” word - Evidence.
He doesn’t read his comments from what I gather. Kinda lost all respect after seeing this video. He lives in US and has probably never been to Australia so it’s not like he’s too scared to look at this critically. Just too lazy.
Terribly disturbing story, but thank you for covering this, Dr. Grande. And I agree with your commentary on the gun issue. I love your videos--always interesting,
My parents sat next to him on a plane, all the way back to Australia, from the USA. He was irritating and said and did things that were definitely off.
I live in Tasmania and was on-call at the medical doctors' service in Hobart when this shooting occurred. Initial reports were that some scuba divers had been shot, but it soon became clear there was a real problem at Port Arthur when we got word not to send anyone to the Royal Hobart Hospital because of some terrible shooting down the South East of Tas. Over the evening and night, the horrors of this shooting unfolded in the news. We frequently drove past the New Town residence, going about our usual business in town. I knew people at Port Arthur during the shooting and I was shown one of the bullet holes in the bonnet of a car...
Thanks Dr. Grande for your analysis! I don't like guns period. I would not allow them in my home. I think they are used for too many wrong reasons. Especially if anyone has any mental health issues they become destructive and a way to lash out with anger. Sad event all around. Too bad Martin didn't get help at an early age, bullying didn't help him in any way. TFS
I don't like Harley Davidsons. They are noisy, annoying and people are getting killed on them all the time. Mostly by non attentive car drivers. So I say let's take away the Harleys and the cars for that matter too. Punish all the law abiding citizens who have desires and likes for those things. I don't suppose you have a butcher knife in your kitchen do you? You are afraid of what you likely know little about. You have been fed this mantra by the liberal leftists and you apparently believe it. SMH!
Dr Grande, I find rather vapid your argument about the government being able to assess anyone's mental health at any time and the related privacy concerns. I am not aware of any country whose gun control legislature authorises such random at-will assessments. Instead, people applying for a gun licence will be assessed specifically for that application. The gun licence's continuation may also be made contingent on additional mental health check-ups every few years. How does this differ in any way for the physical and vision check-ups that are required of driving licence applicants to ensure such a licence is not given to someone who cannot see enough to safely operate a car in public traffic, or has a disorder that could render them unconscious? Yet the law does not prevent or penalise such people from driving altogether, as long as they do so outside of public traffic. The 2nd amendment was created at a time when even the swiftest of shooters could hardly reach a rate of fire of two per minute. Its purpose is to allow citizens to form organised militias in order to protect themselves when the federal military cannot respond quickly enough. Allowing dangerously unhinged people to have firearms is only not useless but directly counter for that purpose. Even more importantly, it poses a direct conflict with the right to life of anyone who may happen across their path on the day they end up with the urge to kill, a far greater conflict than would a mentally stable person having a gun.
Incorrect about the 2nd Amendment's purpose my friend. It literally states this: _A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a FREE state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed._ It's got nothing to do with with taking the place of a the federal military and everything to do with protecting ourselves against an overreaching government. You must remember what these people were dealing with when they wrote the document: Tyrannical overreach into each citizen's life. It wasn't just about 'no taxation without representation". I know, I'm a history professor (with a minor undergrad degree in psychology. Thanks Dr. Grande)
Jefferson said the 2nd amendment is there to prevent a tyrannical government from taking the other amendments away . Except he was much more eloquent .
I would have appreciated if this video was more about the psychology of Martin Bryant (what I come to this channel for) and less about gun rights in Australia (not why I'm on this channel, and as someone living in Australia it wasn't an accurate representation of the situation here - there has never been a "fundamental right" to own guns here, so your argument doesn't hold water).
That's what I was thinking - no right was taken away from Australians for gun ownership because it never existed. Australians seem to take less issue with their gun restrictions than Dr. Grande does. Additionally, I, too, wish this focused more on the case itself. But, this is Dr. Grande's channel, and he has made his interest in guns and gun ownership known previously. However, I don't subscribe to him for his political views and the insertion of his opinion (which I know he has every right to) under the pretense of a professional's psychological speculation leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But I digress.
The Port Arthur Incident is only important because of it's impact on gun politics. I had never heard of this incident until I became interested in sport shooting. Well-read sophisticated people outside of Australia generally haven't heard of it.
@@patnolen8072 that's interesting, as I'd heard about it when it happened as a teenager in NZ who has no particular interest in gun politics 🤷. Perhaps you are referring to "Well read" people in the US only, in which case this just highlights the lack of knowledge about the incident in the US, not exactly a benchmark for knowledge of global issues.
Hello dr grande, could you maybe analyse the german actor klaus kinski? He was disgnosed with psychopathy and is known for his major outbursts and very mean replys in interviews. Thanks for your consideration
Perfectly pivotal. Almost like he was a patsy with a 56 I.Q. who pulled off a perfect black ops mission which caused a huge disarming of the citizenry they would lock down 30 years later.😂
It’s pretty weird watching this in a hotel bed about 150-200 meters away from where it happened the year I was born. Gonna go in the morning and pay tributes to the people who died to a degenerate with a gun. Be careful with the crazy people around you.
The two main problems I have with the Port Arthur Massacre case is firstly that the video footage of Martin Bryant outside the place where he shot people, is too indistinct to enable a positive and conclusive identification of Martin being the shooter, we don't see a clear image of his face in it, all we see is someone who looks vaguely like Martin and for all we know it could actually be someone else wearing a blonde wig, from where the camera was located it would have been difficult to tell if it was real hair or merely a blonde wig, secondly, Martin Bryant's I.Q. was assessed to be 66, that's below average intelligence, and the question is just how much intelligence does it take to be able to effectively operate a military-grade firearm such as an AR-15, I mean soldiers have to train for quite a few months to effectively use a weapon like an AR-15, and the army assesses the intelligence of new recruits.
There were several mass shootings prior to Port Arthur. Tightening our gun laws has contributed to us not going down the same path as the USA. Thank God!
I remember when this happened, such a terrible and senseless crime. Bryant was'nt the brightest bulb in the shed, or stable. For him the combination of easy money and alcohol led to a tragic end for all involved.
Everyone I know is happy we have gun restrictions, I'm in rural Australia and we have a gun range, farmers, the local caravan park owners set off guns to scare off birds. The restrictions are that we can only have ( non semiautomatic)guns if locked in a safe with ammunition in a separate part but they can be used as long as registered and an adult. My brother goes out and shoots rabbits. So it's not really as bad as you make it out.
Dr Grande, I really enjoy your analyses on many cases, particularly these comments on the passengers on the flight shared with Martin (it would have been marginally less worse talking to Martin vs jumping off the plane mid-flight). I remember when this occurred and I live in Melbourne. It’s pretty rare to have a massacre in Australia and society was somewhat divided in their opinions return laws. I really appreciate your analysis on fundamental rights and I agree that just because 1 person does something bad, why should everybody else be punished? (You didn’t say these things exactly - this is my interpretation). I am not a fan of guns but believe in restrictions and I see no reason for an average Australian citizen, and not a soldier, to own or use a semi-automatic rifle. This is where I draw a line in the sand. People were devastated and I don’t think those victims who are still alive or families of their dead, loved ones, will ever get over the trauma. It shocks me and saddens me that there are so many shootings in America. This is rare in Australia. I love Americans but very happy to have less rights, as an Australian, if it means living in a relatively safe and quiet country. Martin Bryant is a cruel man who killed many innocent people. I have no fundamental, constitutional rite to bear arms but I could not care less. I am, however, concerned about a lack of freedom of speech - I feel like Australia is heading that way. Does anybody else feel this way?
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The woman who took him in obviously was not a very stable individual herself. Not only did she continue to keep him around when he tried to wreck her car three times but then again she did have 40 cats in her garage and 14 dogs in the house. That's pretty much a tip-off that she wasn't a rocket scientist.
She had something to do with the Tatts family if I remember.
Yes, clearly crazy herself. And also she let him care for the dogs and cats, although he had demonstrated cruelty to animals as a child and adult. She may not have know about that, but surely there were indications that he was not concerned with kind treatment of animals.
If she had 40 cats & 14 dogs, it could be that she was a kind hearted empath who did not believe in cruelty to animals. I have several cats & three dogs. I have neighbors who have 15 or more cats. I meet ppl at the pet food isle who have a large number of cats. All of us pet owners seem to be kind hearted.
@@helenshg4580 A house full of cats stinks terribly. The occupants usually don't notice; cats are not suited to living indoors. It's usually post-menopausal women who amass large numbers of cats. Crazy shit.
The house must of stank!
I normally agree with your opinions. As an Aussie I find your views odd on gun rights. Also your example is an odd one.
For example if I had dementia I would have my car licence taken off me, to protect others. Or if I insisted on drug driving, the same would happen. You need a drivers licence, just like a gun licence. It’s a privilege, not a right.
*We can own several guns, just not the type solely made to kill humans.
In America you have the right to bear arms lol.
@@Youdatguy I see photos of American guys in Target, with six automatic rifles strapped to themselves. All I see is a very fearful man, (or occasionally woman).
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I'll give an American's perspective: Driving a car is a right. Driving it on public roads is a privilege. You don't need a license to drive or purchase a car (though some dealers and banks may refuse you), you do need one to use the public roads. The only way it'd be comparable is if the government decided to require a license to use public ranges, or require one to carry it on your person in public (which most states do). Buying a gun may not require a license, but generally it does require a background check unless you're buying from a private seller (aka Jim bob who's selling his daddy's old hunting rifle).
I'm an American & you're absolutely right. The misinterpretation of the 2nd Amendement by Supreme Court here has made it impossible for the sweeping gun changes needed here. When our constitution was written 2 factors Dr. Grande totally misses on, 1) the constitution was ratified in the 18th century when technology didn't allow even semi automatic fire nor were revolver style pistols available 2) gun rights activists as well as SCOTUS don't take into effect the right to own guns as part of a well regulated militia as documented in 2nd part of 2nd amendment & we now have state run national guards outside of the normal structure of our regular & reserve military branches to defend against what the 2nd A was written to deter in 1st place, central government tyranny and they are the militias referred to in the constitution not the losers in military garb that stormed US capital on Jan 6 & many state capitals in the turbulent 4 years of our con artist 45th POTUS. As we learned from our disgraceful 45 th president that even an insane conman isn't powerful enough to overturn all our checks & balances & steal an election. Idk much about Aussie gun laws prior but fundamental right & gun ownership shouldn't be accepted in the civilized world but there are simply to many advocates & money in politics to get rid of our terrible gun policy and mass shootings domestic killings gang violence etc will always remain as American as apple pie which is a travesty & misinterprets our own constitution.
I am a typical Australian in this regard. I do not see owning a lethal firearm as a human right and I cannot understand why such a thing would be held in high regard. Americans have clearly been conditioned to overvalue gun rights. Every country does indeed have the right to draw its own line as to how efficient a weapon of murder is allowed to be owned by any citizen. We could all have the right to own sarin gas, but there is no justification. Likewise, high power firearms belong only in the hands of the few with a legitimate occupational reason. It isn't that hard.
100% Agree
ownership of firearms in the USA is enshrined in the constitution because the people for whom it was written used those firearms to gain independence. the 2nd Amendment protects their ability to defend themselves against a tyrannical government, and in my opinion they're long overdue to exercise that rate because a bipartisan political system with the biggest lobbying industry in the world may as well be tyrannical.
I don't see how someone can overvalue gun rights in a country with so much violent crime committed with illegally-obtained weapons - stricter gun control won't affect those guns in any meaningful way while also preventing law-abiding citizens from defending themselves.
here in Switzerland, firearm ownership is also enshrined in the constitution. there is little to no gun crime, and we had one mass shooting in the 90s perpetrated by a mentally disturbed ex-soldier.
@fag bag Same and actually I'm kind of put off, it's a shame because I watch his videos every single morning and always feel like he talks sense in this crazy world.
@@commander31able60 ok fine - having guns to protect against a tyrannical government is fine, but you don’t need to carry them or take them to school etc. It’s like saying “i need nukes to protect us from Russia and North Korea and then when you nuke California for disagreeing congress you argue that we need nukes to protect against Russia.”. It flat out doesn’t make sense. Also, one of the “funniest” things I can think of is a bunch of Americans with guns rising up against a government that spends billions and trillions on war machines. It would take literally 2 minutes for the government to wipe out the patriots with guns. In fact, give the mob a few minutes and they’ll likely shoot each other just walking to the battle.
@@handsomepetevideos I don’t think it’s very tactically sound to attack the government - the “patriots” would most likely hide, in the woods or among the general population, and cripple the economy that bankrolls the war machine. It’s also against the constitution to deploy the US military against its own population.
The homicide rate might not have changed much in australia, but the evidence that gun regulation prevents individuals from commiting massacres like this is undeniable.
Also the right to own guns shouldn't be a thought of as a fundamental right, frankly. Nobody needs guns to live.
What does it matter if overall no lives are saved?
@@eadweard. what about the hundreds of people who get lifelong injuries or permanent trauma because of spree shooters, armed criminals, and civilians who dont properly handle guns. Blinding yourself to every effect besides homicides is missing a lot of the harm laissez faire gun policies can allow.
@@prahanormal If homicides didn't decrease, what reason do we have to think crime-related injuries decreased?
@@eadweard. because they're two different things that can be effected by policy differently
Actually, statistically the homicide rate is falling on average 2% per year
Citation. Australian Government. Australian Institute of Health and Welfare. Injury in Australia: Assault and Homicide. 9 Dec 2021.
As an Australian I found this quite disappointing. In particular I didn't understand why Dr Grande spent so much time discussing fundamental gun rites, when that did not and does not apply to Australia. Surely that's a topic for an American gun issue video, rather than on Martin Bryant. I would have much preferred that this discussion remained relevant to the actual situation in Australia.
I thought the same thing.
Someone as articulate & well spoken in so many topics applying such a clearly biased point of view rings as very strange.
That said the fine Dr is clearly aware of his own bias & is only human so it's to be expected if he feels strongly on the subject we will see some bias injected.
The topic of gun rights in Australia has never been more important... we are now reaping the tyranny that our cowardly parents sowed
@Amy Weinholtz You had a choice to get what was often well above market value for your gun, after Port Arthur. It had a nearly 90% approval amongst us Aussies. All up 650,000 firearms were handed in. This saw a big decrease in suicides by gun, etc. *The Prime Minister who wanted this at that time, was a very conservative one.
It’s weird but I felt confused…was this a criticism on Australian gun laws or an analysis on Martin Bryant. I mean at what point does America learn something needs to be done about their gun laws? Why is this almost impossible? I’m glad Australia changed our gun laws. This massacre changed our whole country. Politicians on both sides worked together and in a few months it was law. A right to bare arms doesn’t change the record amounts of school shootings….it’s shameful.
Agree absolutely, he does not understand the Australian context at all. Certainly his information is very dated as many who opposed the legislation now support it after recognising the fairly small effect that it had on their lives.
It's very hard for Americans or South Africans or people who live in other violent societies to understand how alien the idea of guns as a fundamental right is to those of us who live in less violent countries. Not a controversial issue, never seen any campaigning to make it easier for people to kill each other. If I went to a local police station and said I need to own a gun to protect myself, they would look at me with curiosity - "Protect yourself from what?"
I try not to get involved with debates on guns because if you live in a country where gun ownership and killings are rife, what can you do? Can't go back in time and change things so they can live like the rest of us. Better to say nothing and let them get on with it. I suggest the same approach from people who live in those gun rampant countries trying to advice the rest of us about what is good for us.
@Lisa Nadis, well said. I agree with you 100%. There is no reasoning when the belief is that it is some God given right to own and use a gun. How do you explain the simple concept that violence begets more violence? As you say, you can't turn back time, it will only get worse. No amount of mass shootings will shift their thinking as the view is that guns aren't bad, the owners are!
@@deborahprosper751 Well, yes. For me the idea that you have a fundamental right to own a gun is as strange as the idea that you have a fundamental right to own a landmine. Or a small nuclear weapon. Why not? You never know when you might need to defend yourself or your property. If that sounds ridiculous, that's how ridiculous the right to keep a gun in the house sounds if are fortunate enough not to live in a gun culture.
America is a violent society? Huh. Where I grew up near Boston even grandmothers had guns. Violent crime was COMPLETELY unknown, and not because the grans were waving guns around. I suppose it could have something to do with the total lack of diversity in the local population - nothing but boring ol' white people for thirty miles in any direction. Whatever the reason, it just isn't a violent place. Of course, if all you know about America is what you see on TV, you might think otherwise.
@@cht2162 That is interesting. I don't feel qualified to comment on the use of guns in America. I do feel like commenting when an American tells us that we should be more like them and normalise guns as if they are a natural part of life, whereas I am quite happy seeing them only when I am on holiday in the USA.
I live in a society that's arguably safe, and in fact you can't really get a firearms licence on the basis of self-defense, nor is there a right to own them. But we have a large amount of guns, and they're ownership isn't universally seen as incomprehensible or alien. One major factor in this is a cultural connectedness with nature, and hunting as a part of it. Another is national defense. We have a conscripted military, so the majority of men (and many volunteer women) in any age group are familiar with firearms, and that takes a lot of mystique and fear out of it. The history of fighting for our independence in three large wars, and getting through that in large part by the competence of the infantryman, trained willingly, does contribute to the understanding of the need and importance of firearms and the knowledge to use them.
Fascinating discussion on this case. I can see how important balance is on our societies. Making laws based on “what you do to the least you do to me” versus personal freedoms at any cost. Ethics aside, it seems that Martin was very disturbed from a young age and did not get the help he needed. You explained his childhood wasn’t bad but his mother knew something was seriously wrong with him.
@@AlwaysPossible100 completely agree mate, aussie here. None of the arguments of gun rights mentioned in this video resonated with me at all. We culturally (with exception of a few) don't care about guns, it's not part of our culture the same way it is in America. Gun violence has decreased BECAUSE of the gun laws that followed, thats a fact. I wouldn't make any arguments on what should happen in America though, the issue there is more complex, and the fact they could more easily have guns smuggled in illegally in their country compared to Australia where that really can't happen
When he was pre-teen he would torture animals and once lit a building on fire that had people in it. When he got into trouble and was asked whether he learned his lesson he said no, I’ll probably do it again. He was so low IQ, troubled and cruel that no one knew how to handle his situation.
@@Artybruh . The chances of getting randomly shot by a stranger in Oz are so small that it hardly occurs to most people. Most shootings are targeted organized crime (bikies) related.
Catherine H. I agree with you.
I think part of the problem is that what he really needed was social skills. And lessons like this were hard to come buy back in the day.
I have seen people with low IQ who have really good social skills, they talk and interact well.
His father also knew something was seriously wrong with Martin as he was growing up, no need to put blame just on his mother.
I am Australian too and I definitely agree with the removal of guns. So do the majority of Australians. I definitely don't agree that owning a gun is a basic fundamental human right!! You lost me there! Although I respect your perspective. People who genuinely need them such as farmers are able to obtain them with a gun licence and there are shooting galleries throughout the country where you can go to shoot a gun if you feel the need. There is definitely no need for the average Joe to own a gun. The restrictions placed on gun ownership after Port Arthur has resulted in Australia having an extremely low firearm mortality rate compared to the USA's extremely high firearm mortality rate. I definitely appreciate living in a country where I don't have to fear trigger happy neighbours. Thanks so much for your videos Dr. Grande :) I enjoy watching them. This is the first time I've commented :D
It baffles my mind when people think people having military grade weapons is a "fundamental right" and that mass shootings that terrorize an entire nation is just the tradeoff we must endure so they can enjoy their hobby.
I really enjoy Dr Grande's videos and he seems like an otherwise thoughtful person so I'm shocked to hear him express such gun fanatic ideas.
When the Port Arthur incident occurred in the mid-90s there was much talk in the media about AIDS. What if a news story broke about a gay Australian who had infected 35 sex partners with AIDS? If this story made a big splash in the media - what then? Would Parliament in Canberra crack down on homosexuality with more anti-gay restrictions?
@@patnolen8072 Odd assessment. Seems better to make AIDS tests widely available to limit spread
Aussie and totally agree! Took the words out of my mouth :)
You do realise that there is more guns and gun owners around now then there was back in 1996 and that not just farmers can own firearms a lot more people than you realise own firearms most for hunting and recreational
As an Australian I think the big reason we're big on gun control is because, even if homicide rates are comparable, it's easier to avoid becoming part of that statistic if you play your cards right.
Getting involved with shady characters will still, as always, provide the chance of being murdered. Similarly, getting in a stranger's car will do the same.
But the chances of minding your own business at a cafe, or at work, or at a club and yet still becoming the victim of a murder are drastically lowered. Especially for mass murders, seeing as we haven't had an indiscriminate mass murder since (I think we've had a familicide or two though). I guess it's a lot harder to kill 20 random strangers with a knife, so when these dangerous people make these plans, they usually try to illegally obtain a firearm and are often caught in the process.
But yeah, I think the general consensus is that while the murder rates are still comparable, it's much easier to avoid being murdered.
Agree. But that's not relevant in this case.
It's not comparable though. The US has a rate of 5 per 100,000 people to Australia's 0.9.
100% agree; it's a right I'd have no problem giving up if it meant my kids were not practicing drills to avoid nut cases during school.
@@RaelThomas Figures don't bare out, dude, the number of deaths by guns in America, with the different populations taken into account, is way off the chart. Y'all got one righteously ugly mess you need to see to before you start explaining the smell away with different population numbers.
An Australian also, I feel very safe knowing my chances of being shot are pretty close to zero
This event left a scar on the collective Australian psyche. You didn't even mention that he chased one of those little girls behind a tree. A complete monster. It severely impacted the people that were first responders and innocent bystanders. I know of at least one person that came to the scene to help and ended up committing suicide. I am proud to live in a Country that has decided that we don't need guns in normal day to day life and that we don't have to live with the fear of gun violence.
that is horrendous to hear and imagine! and as a european all i can say - good on australia for reacting swiftly and decisively. americans will bend over backwards to try to justify the fact that year after year they let thousands of people die needlessly all in the name of a """fundamental""" right 🙄
@@小鹿-p8f Someone has to remain free and coherent in order to bail you Europeans out every time one your leaders goes soft in the head and declares himself Supreme Ruler of the Universe. Our guns allow us to stay that way. Just try to think of them as a vaccine against tyranny.
if u dont fear anyone ,u must not lock yur doors at night???
@user-uu5hc7up4i I lock my front door at night when I remember but I'm not worried that someone will come in and shoot me.
If you watch this channel you should know there's all sorts out there. Guns or no guns, I would probably just lock the door anyway
why should owning a gun be a fundamental right?
owning a car is a similar thing - but you still need a licence and to test people to make sure they are capable of using a car in order for them to have one. I think guns are the same (if not more so).
THANK YOU. YES.
Well the idea is that guns are a necessity if you want to resist a tyrannical government. Cars are just for getting around.
@@eadweard. do you live in a tyrannical government?
@@mediamonster8005 I'm just pointing out why guns, unlike cars, are considered a fundamental right in the US. The political conditions in my own country have no bearing on that fact.
@@eadweard. and even if you did, do you think a few people with some guns could fight back against the whole US military? you're president is also the commander in chief... he can enforce the entire army forces on your population... owning a few guns does nothing but put your immediate family and friends at risk.
Dr. G. By fair comparison, it would be interesting to see, how many school massacres Australia has had in, say, the past 20 years compared to America, don't you think?
Zero. We’ve had no school massacres.
And maybe also consider the social aspect that you people so love to ignore. How many decades did people take guns to school and even have classes with them? It's the gradual weakening of society via the education system itself, and now especially social media. The guns have always been there. It's clearly because it's absolute total control from our tyrannical government and not safety, otherwise the primary issue would be dealt with, which is handguns. The cities already have strict laws and highest crime rates though so that would destroy the narrative.
Australians are bending over to a corrupt government and expect everyone else to, but we in the US know damn well that the government needs us weak to finalize their globalist plans. If you're unfamiliar with any of that I suggest you do some research and stop choosing to be so blind to the actual nature of things.
@@headoftaxreformandpercenta4908 sounds like you know nothing about Australia
@@sallywarren5700 I've seen enough to understand the state of corrupt governments. Australia is tyrannical. Stay asleep if you wish but it doesn't change that undeniable fact.
@@headoftaxreformandpercenta4908 visited often?
Wow I didn't expect you to cover this one. Thank you, Dr. Grande! 💖
Dr. Grande is great
Honest and informative
Being bullied and being a bully can be so disruptive too a young childs social learning and ability. Having been bullied myself i can say that im still every day learn small tricks to try and catch up to others my age when it comes to being socialy adequate.
Thank you for not turning into a serial killer.
Yea same here. I didn't experience it so intensely that I was ever beat up, but I did endure bullying to quite a degree. I also experienced at home too. It had a tremendous effect on how I function as an adult that I still deal with everyday.
May you both come to realize you are valuable and worthy of kindness and joy.
Same here. I don't really hold any grudge towards society in general, but one day I'll get revenge on the bastard that caused be to be socially stunted to begin with.
They were the ones who were socially inadequate because they bullied you. You’re not ‘socially inadequate’ but learning some tips and tricks is good. No one is perfect in social situations and we all feel awkward at times.
I am an expat, now an Australian citizen, I was an avid shooter and was on the shooting team in high school. However, living in Australia, I feel 100% safer from random gun violence. However, you can still own guns in Australia it is not a 100% ban. There are gun clubs, and you can own and shoot your gun there. Also, if you own a property, outside of the urban areas you can own certain types of guns to protect yourself from dangerous animals and pests. Those guns can also be used for sports shooting on that property. You simply cannot walk around with a gun, buy a gun at the local department store or have one in your house. Also keep in mind Australia is a Federation, not a constitutional republic. Our constitution is for the federation not the people. And we do not have a bill of rights. So, no one here has the right to “bear arms” or “plead the fifth”. We do have laws for freedom of speech, and the right to not incriminate ourselves but they are not part of the constitution and are legislated differently and are not a blank check.
Australia does not have free speech.
In Australia you can keep firearms & ammunition stored in your home as long as it is stored in a regulatory considered secure safe.
Sounds like you found the right place for you, if you fear gun violence. I have no such fear, and place a high value on freedom. I have visited Australia twice and enjoyed it. However, based on the recent shows of force against its citizens, I could never live there.
@@Relayer56 I'm sorry you have NO idea what you are talking about. Do not conflate American Politics with Australian Politics. On the most part people here are MORE than happy to have had the lockdowns and safety and security. The few who are complaining about it are the outliers not the norm. Everyone I know no matter their political leanings, would rather be safe than believe they are better off with their family and friends dying around them. so they can have "MY FREEDOM" that's just foolhardy, selfish and childish. Go ahead and stay in American.
@@zenadra like I said, you have found the best place for you. Celebrate your lockdowns and lack of freedoms.
My favorite part of the day. Dr Grande's speculation of situations and his dry sense of humor.
Sometimes when it looks crazy, it is freaking crazy.
Right. Also, it’s not always okay to be different.
wAiT aRe yOu jUdGiNg bY aPpEaRaNcEs yOu hUrT mY fEeLiNgS blgOt!!
What is this comment section?
It's always the eyes. They have crazy eyes
Love it. Will now use that line ☺️
I rarely disagree with you, however I am so glad we don't have this "fundamental right" here in Australia... Also, I think you'll find it's more like 99% in support of this.
The US intentional homicide rate (per capita) is over 5 times (that's 500%) the rate of Australia. You can still buy guns in Australia, but not ones that are completely unnecessary for civilians (read: handguns, or machine guns) and the licensing is rigourous and thorough, as it should be.
Since 1991, 3 Australians have died in school shootings. Three.
who decided what is and isn't a necessary weapon for a civilian? you?
Australian here too and just so you know, you can buy handguns in Aus, there're just different licences for long arms, handguns and semi autos.
Also, just wanted to ask, where did you get the number 3 from for shootings in Aus since '91? That sounds like far too few.
@@commander31able60 weapons serve a purpose. Like... For hunting... So it's very easy to figure out... Does a civilian have any use for an assault rifle? No.
@@colh3127
Since 1991, Australia has experienced six school shootings. Two of these shootings, La Trobe University and Monash University, had one and two deaths respectively. The other four shootings did not have any deaths. The most recent school shooting in Australia was at Modbury High School in Adelaide on May 7, 2012, which resulted in no deaths and no injuries. Australia instituted strict gun control laws after a 1996 mass shooting (but not a school shooting) in which a gunman walked into a cafe in Port Arthur, Tasmania, and murdered 35 people and wounded another 23.
@@RaelThomas does a person have any use for a car when they can ride a bicycle or take a bus? Does a casual gamer need an RTX 3090Ti? Does a person that has less-than-perfect vision without glasses need glasses? The “nobody needs an assault rifle” is retarded and I’m tired of hearing it.
We in fact have more guns now in Australia than before Port Arthur, about 3.6m now vs 3.1m then. The reason, as Dr Grande pointed out, is that the number of private gun owners has reduced, but guns per owner has increased (current average of 3.9 guns per owner).
So long as you do not have FPO, pass a background check, and have a “genuine reason” for owning a gun, you can own one. Actually there’s no limit, get 10. But “self-defence” is not a legitimate reason. That may sound unjust to some folk, but self defence is a lame excuse for any nut job (insert any episode of Judge Judy). If you want to own a gun and know how to use it in a private capacity, you become a member of a gun club. In short, guns are owned in Australia by people who have legitimate work requirements, and property or private interests, and demonstrate the level of responsibility and sincerity required to keep them.
If you can’t be bothered with all of that but just want to know what it’s like to fire a weapon, you can still go to your local shooting range, pass a quick check and go for gold. You’ll be restricted to rifles but still a lot of fun.
The numbers do not reflect firearms % increase vs. population % increase from '96 to present (more or less.)
Firearms: ~16.1% increase.
Population: ~45% increase.
Close to 95% difference.
Cheers!
@@nomojo1110 great point, thank you!
How is self defense not a legitimate reason?
I'm sorry for the perhaps silly question, but what is FPO?
As someone who lives in the States, I'm incredibly torn about the gun issue. In our country, gun violence is so prevalent that there've been times when people who were armed actually saved lives by taking down the mass shooter. one of these happened at a church in Texas, the other was at a mall just last month, but I can't remember where.
I struggle with liking the idea of your average person not needing guns, and with the need to defend yourself from gun violence. I'm completely blind, so I have no reason or desire to own a gun, and I never will, it's just something I ponder. I get angry/frustrated when people are so severely pro-gun laws here that they don't look at other countries' perspectives, or when people from other countries don't try to understand where we are right now.
Truthfully, we're in an incredibly scary place, and my fiance and I have talked, lightly, about leaving the U.S. someday. I don't know if it'll happen, but who knows.
Thank you so much for your insight. It helps to understand and to try to understand another's perspective.
@@AmyAndThePup FPO = Firearm protection order.
I understand your conflict with the issue being in the US. The reason “self defence” is not a legitimate reason for gun ownership here is that the question becomes ‘what are you defending yourself from?’ Gun violence is very rare here - A total of 27 homicides from firearms in 2019-2020. While there is violent crime, it’s extremely unlikely you will need to defend yourself against a gun, and therefore can arguably protect yourself by less escalatory means. This is of course attributed to our gun laws and accessibility. So there’s no real argument to be made for the good guy with a gun here. The US on the other hand… I really feel for your position in a nation with such a ridiculous incidence of gun violence. Would more restrictions on gun ownership help prevent attacks, or hinder well intended citizens? It helped us, but how much of that is because of our demographics, personal and national relationship to guns, etc.
This case reminds me of Adam Lanza. Same diagnosis, plenty of warning signs yet no attempt to have an early intervention.
Yes
They did intervene by denying him access to his money but not his guns, although laws may not have allowed for this at the time, it is not hard to imagine this may have set him off further.
As an Australian I believe we did the right thing for us all. We dont have and never did have a love of guns like an American has,. I will nrver understand an individual who has a right to own a gun. I do however believe that an individual has the right to protect themselves, their family and or property , in a reasonable and humane manner, using whatever they feel is reasonably necessary to do so. That may be by means of a weapon , physical attack or assault , verbal or mental aggression /abuse. So long as the person or persons are given a warning (if practical and can do so), and the person or petsons attemting assault or harm on that said person are made aware of the consequences to themselves if they continue to atack/assult the person . Eg fire a warning shot, say if you step any vloser i will shot you in the leg, foot (whatever) and then it will be a kill shot if you keep going (as a last resort. ) I also believe the person must also attemt to persuade the atackers by other means either verbally or physically ie throw a stuck or stones (?) as long as the defendant can show they made readonable attempts to subdue or persuade the attackers from their course of action as much as possible and by using as much less harmful means as possible, then they can be expected to to defend themselves , family and property without prosecution . And be absolved of guilt according to the law. All the warning sighns were there but as usuall ans what is not unique to Australia , is that mental health is often overlooked , underestimated and not very understood and resources are scarce. When something like this happens then we all cry out for change , theres alot of noise and even more promises by our leaders and then when the sensation is over its sweept under the caroet untill the next sad event. Maybe instead if “jjust gun laws” thatI still believe in by the way, we could have a serious talk and reform on mentsl health and ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Niw that eould be great.! Maybe DR G and other youtubets would need diffetent content to talk about on their channels.
Both false flags lol
I thought the same thing. He even looks like Lanza a bit.
Dr Grande, why didn't you mention the fact that they have had significantly fewer mass shootings than we have in this country? I think that's pretty significant.
We have had 0 mass shooting since this one. And we had a few before this one... the gun buy back is a very clear success. Dr Grande is reckless in his statements here and exercising extreme bias... he talks about homicide rate declining but doesnt put that down to the law changes and doesn't talk about mass shootings because he would then have to admit it's been a huge success... very bias and disappointing. I expected better from him.
@@s13180sxSR20DET I mean no disrespect but here I come. The reason why he's being reckless or kinda pro gun is because Dr. Grande is an American and Americans are infected with a certain mindset. In some ways and to a lesser extent akin to North Korea's brain washing.
@@komoriaimi I mean, I'm an American. I made the original comment here... I'm very much opposed to gun violence, and the rampant availability of firearms, these weapons of mass destruction, in this country. You can't even go to the movies without the threat of being gunned down. Hell. You can't even go to fucking Walmart these days, without potentially getting shot up. Just this last weekend, there was a shooting in a Walmart near my house (Walmart is a large department store, for anyone who doesn't know, the kind that pretty much everyone goes to...) The unwillingness to act and change anything relating to our gun culture is absolutely infuriating in my opinion.
This country is in a rapid decline. In many ways. We have this absolutely undeserved American exceptionalism around here, where we seem to think that we are the best, above the rest of the world in so many ways. Except, there's more violence than many places in the world. There is more poverty than a lot of places in the world. We don't have socialized medicine. In fact, if you lose your job, you lose your health insurance. You literally get zero days of paid vacation guaranteed by law. We are dominated by our capital overlords. I fucking hate this place. And everything it stands for.
@@ants_in_my_eyes_Wilson I'd agree with a surprising amount of your comment, perhaps for differing reasons.
I will say though, when one strictly looks at a sound comparison between Australian shootings pre and post Bryant incident legislation vs. America...Well, America is America, and not Australia. What works here, doesn't work there and vice versa. We're different from strayans, czecks, nigerians, russians, etc, etc.
@@mahlee18 not necessarily saying that what worked for Australia would work for America, but I am saying that doing absolutely nothing is not helping. Infact, It's getting worse.
@12:46 -- please cite you references. I've found that most countries that don't allow everyone to casually have guns, have fewer gun-rampages, fewer suicides by gun, and fewer gun-related accidents. What are your statistics here?
As if "statistics" aren't subjective, where certain things are ignored, that don't fit the person with an agendas biases.
Where are YOUR references?
You've "found"
I bet that you're the type of person that can't work a math problem and so you count on a calculator and trust blindly it gives you the right answer.
I am so grateful for the fact that we have strict gun laws here in Australia. If you want them, you can still get them. I believe that people should go through screenings before you can buy one and adhere to safety restrictions when you do have one. The right* to own a gun isn't taken away, there's just a bureaucratic barrier that helps to stop people from lashing out, buying and using one in the heat of the moment. That's not to say that spontaneous shootings don't happen, but I believe that barrier is why the rate of these shootings has stayed down, though it would be interesting to know why it was going down before the laws were introduced. Thanks for your analysis Dr. Grande, I'd love to see more international cases covered on your channel!
*Note that we don't actually have fundamental rights that're protected by the govt. in AUS, we just have a few scattered provisions (which I think is an issue, but that's a different discussion).
you do know that same bureaucratic barrier exists in every country with legal firearms ownership? even in the USA there are background checks and you usually have a wait period, depending on the state, before you can get any weapons.
I live in Queensland and own several rifles, I like the licensing system in that it's not too difficult or complicated to get a firearms licence but is enough of a hassle that anyone who isn't going to take owning a firearm seriously isn't going to bother (it takes about 6 weeks after completing the firearms safety course to receive the licence and another 6-8 weeks to receive the first permit to actually purchase a gun).
@@commander31able60 I should have clarified that I like that Australia's gun restrictions are amongst the most strict in the world. What I said in my original comment implies that I thought the US had no restrictions which is not true at all of course.
@@100deidara001 bureaucracy is an evil that exists as a parasite in any power structure. It’s like the fleas on a wolf.
I am a retired Australian farmer who has owned guns all my life (the new regulations took no 'rights' away from me). People understand that cars (or drones) can be dangerous and accept that they require regulation and registration, licensing and training. But when those rules are applied to guns, some people lose their minds. The Australian regulations do help prevent things like children accidently accessing guns and shooting siblings, school mates, and parents. If that was the only benefit then that alone is enough.
It took no rights away because Australians don’t have any to begin with. I’m not exaggerating.
@@pretzelstick320 Are you Australian?
people in Queensland are having their gun licenses stripped for speeding offences, and the QPS have introduced a deliberately vague barrier to ownership that they can use on pretty much anyone "A person of fit and proper character" but they will not under any circumstances define "fit and proper character"...
@@JReklis Cool. There are a lot of people that really should not own guns.
@@bcsr4ever Cool... So you will be completely cool with it when you get your license stripped for some arbitrary reason
Interesting analysis. As an Australian, and a partner of a hunter who (legally) owns several firearms though, I have to respectfully disagree with your views on gun "rights". Australians can still acquire guns if they have a demonstrated need and are competent.
I have not yet met an Australian who has a problem with our gun laws being the way that they are. We can send our children to school without fearing they will be shot. Every person I have ever discussed the matter with is glad our laws allow for safe gun ownership and largely prevent unstable individuals from acquiring such weapons.
But, this is just one of those things where people from one country simply cannot understand others. Us Australians simply cannot understand why the USA clings to their guns while their children are shot at school over and over again.
great comment ; very thoughtful....I agree with everything you said.
💯 happy my sons have never had to do shooter drills or lost someone in a shooting.
We can get gun if we want a gun. If we are fit and proper.
💯 i was shocked by dr grande’s stance on gun laws and his fairly ignorant understanding of australian gun laws
"I have not yet met an Australian who has a problem with our gun laws being the way that they are." the best argument against democracy is a 15-minute conversation with the average voter. in other words, people don't know or understand anything while pretending they do.
Like many others posting here, I am Australian. This is very much a "Where were you when you heard...?" incident for Australians.
I should point out that this incident was preceded (admittedly, by nearly a decade) by two mass shootings in Melbourne: the Hoddle Street massacre and the Queen Street massacre, both of which occurred in 1987 and within four months of each other.
These two incidents, like the Port Arthur, involved single male shooters: Julian Knight (Hoddle Street) and Frank Vitkovic (Queen Street). Of these two, one perpetrator survived (Julian Knight) and like Martian Bryant, remain imprisoned. Frank Vitkovic ended his life by smashing the window on the floor of the building on which was disarmed (Level 11), and jumping to his death. Vitokovic's disarming is an astounding story in itself, and I encourage others to seek out records of the bravery of those involved in this action.
While there was almost a decade between these incidents and the one in Tasmania, the reaction to Martin Bryant's rampage was 'one-step-too-far' for most Australians. Not only did Bryant kill more people, but the range in ages of his victims was also wider. Some also believe his methodical execution of many of his victims to be even more callous than the murders carried out by Knight and Bryant.
In any case, with respect I would say that it was within these *contexts* - not just what occurred in Port Arthur - that more severe restrictions of firearms were put into place.
Explorations of Julian Knight and Frank Vitkovic could possibly serve as future uploads.
Where were you when Martin Bryant went crazy at Port Arthur?
@@jewdavid5627 Southbank. I saw Billy Connolly walk by. Weird coincidence.
I was driving from Melbourne to country NSW, I remember it so clearly
Thanks. Martin acts that day were horrible as weird and strange was his whole life before the massacre. I followed Port Arthur events since they unfolded long time ago. I am trying to watch Nitram the movie shoted in Cannes two years ago
Dr grande. I normally agree with you, but australia had multiple mass shootings before and not a single one since. So all benefits as far as I’m concerned. And besides, you can still go to a gun range and get a license if you can prove you need it.
it's not about you proving you need it, but about the issuing authority deciding whether you need or not. that's the difference between "may-issue" and "shall-issue".
@@sherrylovegood do you really trust one of the most corrupt governments on earth to make good decisions for you?
@@sherrylovegood I direct you to Wikipedia - list of political controversies in Australia.
@@sherrylovegood yes, Wikipedia is a reputable source. we're not 2005 anymore. each line there has sources below, if you want to go to the source. Wikipedia provides a condensed information package.
@@sherrylovegood Wikipedia isn't but a shitty nearly-defunct website from 2005 is. yes I went to high school too - the only reason teachers refuse to accept Wikipedia as a source is that it would be too easy.
I was literally watching something on this two night ago. Horrific stuff. Thanks Doc for the video 📸
I know who you mean 🙂
I was figuratively watching the same program.
I also watched a video about Martin. Truly horrifying! I cannot believe how long he was tormenting people…. He knew exactly what he was doing…. He enjoyed it his entire life. He never should have had the opportunity to kill so many innocent people.
This Is Monsters??
@@darrellcovello7917 what else could it have been lol
I live in a country where guns are not a fundamental right, and I'm appreciative of someone who talks about guns and gun rights in a rational way. I always listen closely when Dr. Grande talks about guns. It's hard for someone outside of the USA to understand the American passion for arms, especially automatics and semiautomatic weapons. I did grow up in a family of hunters, but there were only hunting guns.
Although Tasmania's murder count did not go down as a result of the change in gun laws, I do notice that the US has many more gun deaths than countries that have strong gun control.
It definitely changes things when you're in a country where guns aren't common. Sometimes makes ya feel safer. I remember being in Taiwan (where guns are extremely uncommon) and riding up a mountain and ending up on a narrow road through a residential area, and thinking that if I were in the US I'd have to worry about potentially getting a gun pointed at me by a trigger-happy homeowner who was spooked by the sillhouette of a bicycle riding by his house at oh-dark-stupid.
I’m Tasmanian. Australia NEVER had a mass shooting since then. Dr grande didn’t mention it.
I do not feel safe in the USA
@@nikkimclay5474 to verify that you'd need to go to a parallel world where these laws were not passed and look at the shooting data. it could just as well be other factors are responsible for a reduction in mass shootings, not just gun control. after all, you can still get guns.
"especially automatics and semiautomatic weapons" because self-loaders are the most fun to shoot. I wouldn't say there's an "American passion for arms", but there are a lot of gun owners in the USA as opposed to other countries. the country as a whole has a love-hate relationship with firearms.
@@Catiecatiecatiecaful Me neither. And we used to enjoy going so much. (Of course, with COVID we can’t go anyway so it’s all good.)
50% topic on Martin Bryant... 50% on Australian gun laws...
You bring into discussion gun control... Which is currently an American debate... Not an Australian debate...
America has rising gun violence - mass shootings - school shootings... Yes there should be a serious debate...
Port Arthur Massacre was the catalyst for the sweeping change to Australian gun laws in 1996..
85% of Australians agreed with the change to gun laws...
The right... or desire... to "bear arms" against each other is even less today...
Does that appear this "fundamental right" has been taken away from us...
Or has it been a 'majority' consensus and democratic decision by Australians on this topic..
Peace...
Soory. First time I didn't enjoy a video by Dr. Grande. It all has to do with guns, but I am a European, and therefore hold opposite views on the matter.
Gun violence and proliferation is one of the reasons I left the US and I will never go back. What kind of place does nothing about people being mass murdered with powerful firearms in schools, churches, parking lots, grocery stores and on and on? It's insanity.
Very unprofessional no one in this field would agree. No longer going to waste time on arm chair pseudo psychology
What do you mean?
The history of Europe shows me that those citizens who are unable to arm themselves tend to fall victim to totalitarian regimes. Especially in Slavic countries.
Absurd.
I remember when this happened! My neighbours were in tasmania on holidays I heard later that they had just left the cafe before Bryant went crazy! Truly terrifying watching the news was bad enough! I will never forget it so sad☮️🇦🇺
Literally dodged bullets! So thankful you didn’t lose your neighbors.
I can't even imagine he just went around shooting everybody I'm with his IQ who knows what else he could have done but situation had to be terrifying for people there
You could have seen the Mossad agent who did it
so somehow, in america, bearing arms is a "fundamental right" (why?) but having medical insurance, unemployment benefits, guarantee that you won't become homeless etc, are not.... you do you i guess...
Because they insist on misinterpreting the Second Amendment. IQ of peanuts. My apologies to peanuts.
A little knowledge is dangerous,
you need to educate yourself, we have a constitution in the United States and there's a second amendment, why don't you read- up on that, before you post ?
we have unemployment as well & medical care, you're just repeating hear-say.
You’re not wrong- cries in american :(
@@mads597 whatever that means?
@@frankpaya690 no i am quite familiar with the facts. do you know that in most european countries you don't have to pay for medical insurance? you actually just...have it? everyone does. that is what it means to have universal health as a fundamental right.
As for your second amendment, just because it's in the constitution, doesn't mean it makes any sense. in fact ,that is the entire point of my post, you guys have really skewed priorities and the rest of the world keeps looking in horror as people like you try to defend it....
As per your request Dr Grande, I am placing a comment here as I am sure it will generate an "interesting dialogue". Thank you as always for your informative videos, however could not let this one pass without comment as it hit so close to home. Your commentary regarding peoples right to bear arms is fundamentally simplistic. I am Australian and remember the Port Arthur massacre like it was yesterday. The fact that Bryant had access to so many military grade weapons amplified his carnage a thousand fold...at one point killing 12 people in 15secs. So we as Australians said "never again", our government listened and 12 days later we had the largest overhaul of gun control legislation in our country's history. No-one b!tched that they had lost their "fundamental" rights to own a gun (we hadnt by the way...) or that the government was evil and wanted to take all our rights away (they weren't). You saying - in essence - you don't agree that law abiding gun owners should be punished for the actions of a few bad apples is (in my opinion) reflective of the stranglehold gun lobbyists have on the US. How many more mass shootings do you need to make a change?? How many more parents have to bury their children because some kid was having a bad day and decided to bring an assault weapon into a school....?? I'm sorry for the rant but like I said this subject hits close to home...my friends husband was in that café...
I couldn't agree with you more. Americans are so obsessed with guns and I believe they are eventually going to destroy this society. Was it Einstein who said "when America falls it will not be destroyed from the outside. it will be destroyed from the inside . I think I'll move to Australia.. Plus due to the wind currents it's probably the only country that would be safe in a nuclear war. I guess I can raise sheep or at least do something!
@@kkheflin3 You would be more than welcome Down Under my friend...and I'm sure we'll find something for you to do (in case the sheep thing doesn't work out 😊). Totally agree with your comments...absolute shame that not all Americans see what is happening to their lovely country
Well said
Really your sceptical of gun restrictions? I find that incredible.
Guns do make murder much easier,I’m certain majority of murders are committed in heat of moment, regretted immediately afterwards.
So country’s where their freedom to bare arms,murder is always far higher, this is a shame as it means many are incarcerated who may never have killed?
Not really, if you do believe the majority of murders happen in the heat of the moment the most likely method would be a knife or some sort of blunt force trauma i.e. fists. Overall firearms rights are a human right as everyone should have the ability to protect themselves.
Hearing about Martin's enjoyment on the flight just breaks my heart. There's a lot of 'what if's I could lay out, but the bottom line is that none of the better alternatives happened. Ultimately, this is a textbook example of why psychiatrists and psychologists are crucial professions in any developed country.
Gotta love when people miss a continuous stream of red flags.
Exactly! Just as in Columbine, Sandy Hook, Parkland, Uvalde, Highland Park and the list goes on. Every one of these had a mentally diminished loner as the perp! They sent off hints, (not going to use the term red flags!) and they were ignored!
Hey man it happens sadly
Dr Grande, this is the case that finished gun ownership in Australia 🇦🇺. The government brought back all guns for $1000 no questions. Then introduced strict pre purchasing gun rules. You must also have no mental health history. Thank you for the cool analysis 🧐.
@Randy Savage's Coke Stash if you don’t live here in Australia you don’t need to worry about our gun laws we are all quiet happy here with the laws.
@@The_Crusty_Old_Hag_Next_Door As an Australian firearm owner here we are far from happy with the gun laws and continuous regulation creep on them.
They are flawed regulations, john edwards abuse of the system, weapon apperance laws and treatment of outback farming required pistol owners are but a few of the examples we are currently dealing with.
Finished gun ownership in australia? Huh? There are more guns owned in australia then there was at the buy back in 1996.
@Randy Savage's Coke Stash an interesting view, but australia has had no mass shootings since that day. well worth the trade off, most australians believe. Just think, we could have had regular school and shoppping centre shootings like the usa, had the decision not been made.
@@balthazzaarmontague8036 we have had several mass shootings since port arthur, Darwin mass shooting, osmongton family massacre, hunt family murders, monis hostage crisis at martin place. hunter valley massacre, hells angels shoot-out in Adelaide. Etc.
And that's just with guns. That's not including the mass murders by arson or knives etc.
Why do americans think gun restrictions means banning guns. We still have guns in australia. We just have reasonable responsible restrictions. It’s no different to the restrictions we have on cars. You have to have a licence to drive one. You have to register your vehicle. You have to abey certain laws when you are using your vehicle. You cant just drive where you want, you have to use your vehicle in the designated roads etc. these are no different to the laws on guns. It’s crazy that even a reasonable smart American is still so bias towards guns laws.
Dr. Grande is really out here making 2022 a better year already 🙌
Looking back, these videos have really enriched a mostly arid and cheerless year! Thank you!
I was born in 1976 in Australia. I remember this clearly. Especially the gun buy back scheme. My dad was a Hunter. I remember he sold all of his guns in that scheme.
Well let's hope China does not try to do something stupid with Australia.
@@oldsalt8011 That's such an old American chestnut, you and your personal firearms won't stop an invading army.
@@DistinctiveBlend So, you would would rather tuck in your tail and run? That would be cowardly.
@@oldsalt8011 It isn't going to happen, but I'll play your game as I know it's a huge fantasy of Americans.
So if you somehow see a trained Chinese army platoon coming your way you hide rather than taking pop shots exposing your location. That way you'll survive to get reinforcements rather than being taken prisoner and facing torture or being shot to death.
I'd rather be called names (eg coward) than being dead from stupidity.
@@DistinctiveBlend Well yes of course if you can fortify and wait for help you are better off to improve your chances of survival. America will never give up its rites to bare arms. I still think it would be wise for Australia to be ready at let its citizens exercise the option to arm themselves.
It was very interesting to hear Dr Grande’s ideas about gun restriction. We know Dr Grande knows a lot about guns. We heard all about his love of cars- but not yet about how he came to know so much about guns. This is another case I never heard of. The joke about the airplane was golden!🤠💕
Is that because America has so many mass shootings. They would hardly notice one in Aus. There were no more after this due to better gun control.
@@nikkimclay5474 How many people that were bullied, grow up to be a mass killer?
@@sherrylovegood rational minded people exist! We just aren’t heard over the sound of incessant gunfire •__•
@@frankpaya690 even if they’re not mass killers they’re traumatized and hurt, and they often go on to hurt other people. There’s no good reason.
@@mads597 If the majority of people that are bullied don't wind up murdering anybody, then "bullying" is not your common denominator, any more than guns are.
For me, I'm not seeing how access to a gun is a fundamental right. It's a piece of technology. "Right to defend yourself" and "Right to arms" are related but different. I believe it's in a countries right to restrict gun ownership through democratic processes to whatever level they see fit.
The right to self defense cannot be separated from the right to possess effective means of self defense. For many people in many situations, a firearm is the only reliable, effective option. A paraplegic can fight off a 200 pound man with a firearm. An 80 year old woman could. There are stories of 10 year old boys and women 8 months pregnant driving off multiple armed home invaders because they had access to a firearm. That's not true of any other type of weapon or means of self defense. So if we agree with the idea that self defense is a fundamental human right we must acknowledge that firearm ownership is a fundamental human right.
As a gun enthusiast who would love to own an assault rifle, I 100% agree with the restrictions placed on gun ownership after Port Arther. The safety of the people supersedes my desire to shoot things fast. Also we have had close to zero mass shootings since, so Grandes argument about the efficacy of the ban is wrong.
So, aside from those committed by this madman, how prevalent were mass shootings BEFORE these draconian laws?
Switzerland has citizens owning machine guns and the like, the rules are over the top.
@@Warriorcock6969 😂yeah sure mate😂
Gun ownership is NOT a fundamental human right.
That statement is hilarious.
Just because a few men decided to stick in the constitution of one country does not make it so.
Most people have other things to think about than owning an automatic rifle.
Too bad we in America cannot learn from one shooter who kills many. We will never get all the guns off the street in America. Sad situation all around.
When armed society has a better level of bargaining power against the government and the rich who have weaponised their wealth through lobbying. Stealing peoples guns doesn't treat the cause of why people act out, it's just trying to control them without paying greater costs for a better standard of living with having treatment for mental health.
Americans... Even someone as educated as Dr. G sounds obviously pro gun. So weird for us Europeans.
I’m an Aussie. Here in Australia honestly for most of us (city dwelling urban living) we are more than happy to not be able to own semi automatic rifles in order to restrict individuals from having easy access to mass murder. It wasn’t gun control for gun control’s sake it was mass murder that was unacceptable. The measures have been successful in that regard. For context there is still a strong community of sports shooters, hunters and farmers/ graziers that have and own guns safely here
Have fun being invaded by China.
Sounds like common sense! I’m in the US and I’m consistently disturbed by the gun culture here, it’s absurd
@@PrimericanIdol do you really think that's reality? It says a lot about you that your fantasy scenario is "shooting them commies" like some sort of action movie hero.
It's delusion.
@dražen g Good luck when you're robbed or assaulted, and you're completely helpless and unable to defend yourself.
@@SusantheNerdy Your government is already treating you like cattle regarding the current pandemic situation.
my own opinion, i feel the fewer guns around and available the safer we might be.
Yes, those damn guns have a mind of They're own.
@@frankpaya690 it’s literally statistically proven the fewer guns around the safer homes are, hun accidents can’t happen with no guns.
@@frankpaya690 No, but it does give mentally scarred people a power they shouldn't have
@@frankpaya690 guns don't kill people, people who says "guns don't kill people" kill people.
@@frankpaya690 right? None of my guns have left my safe and gone to shoot people I’m lucky that way.
No one here in Australia is worried about guns, or feels stripped of their rights. I came here in 82 when I was 3, I remember the Martin Bryant incident, I presumed it happened in the US when I heard about it, I was shocked when I heard it happened in Australia. I thought it was cool when I saw the footage of everyone handing their guns in when it happened. You can own a gun here if you need one. I believe a lot of Australians are bewildered by Americas need to be armed.
Gun restrictions do help eradicate mass shootings though. I hate being afraid in my own country (USA).
Australia hasn’t had a single mass shooting since this
Not defending him but how could a mum call her own child annoying? Things were never going to turn out well we're they?
Because when trying to get your kid help therapists ask things like that....not like she was saying it to him, it's on the mental health records as how everyone, her included, described his behaviour and those were released after this mass shooting.
I always think of the person who is delegated with that kind of disposal! Who is the one who will do the deed? This is a human being after all even if a poor one!
Ever tried to be a parent to an intellectually disabled psychopath?
She called him annoying because he was ..what bothers me is her not taking it more serious than it was ..she had to have known there was something very wrong with him
@@meebrbey True, I wonder: did they never try to get help by letting treat his obvious problems? Had he been in therapy as a child, his life could have been different. And the lives of the many victims.
Another terrific video and analysis from the Doctor. Your last comments hit hard with being a vet. If you ever want to use their services, the more of yourself you have to give.
Love your videos Dr Grande, maybe first time commenter.
Most Australians don't mind these restrictions because they realise they don't need guns.
Legitimate gun ownership is easily avalible to legitimate people. Farmers, sport shooters and range enthusiasts.
It's really not an issue, unless you have some prior criminal and/or violent history. Simple as that!
That's why it works for us. I live in Tasmania and love my country.
Thanks so much for all of your fantastic content.
Not quite as simple as that... there was a mass buyback (confiscation). Why is it always a matter of NEED? Maybe you like Corvettes or Maserati's. You don't NEED them, please just get a 1976 Ford Pinto and be happy.
if migrants overun yur community would u think yu'll say "i wish i had my gun back"?????
@@billyotoole-o1u like I already said. Australians don't need guns. Those that do can have them with proper licensing. It's no big deal.
We already have too many migrants, but they can't have guns either.
We just don't have to worry about too many unhinged freaks having unlimited access to guns and ammo for no reason. Simple.
One could also argue that considering guns a fundamental right is nuts.
At the time of the massacre I was at Sizzlers celebrating a neighbour’s birthday. Soon after getting home I heard helicopter after helicopter overhead. Realising that something bad must have happened I turned on the radio and heard the news about what had happened. First reports said 7 had been killed but all through the afternoon and into the next day the death toll rose.
I had briefly met one of the victims. He had come to Tasmania to do family research and I had helped him locate some sources at the Tasmanian archives.
One of my neighbours had gone to school (New Town Primary) with the killer and said he was a bit odd.
No massacre, only false flag, fake as.
@@leonmacri2910 What gives you that idea?
@@mdaddy775 Research proved 100% false flag, lie.
Over 25 yr later and in Australia this is still considered a major tragedy. As far as your thoughts go; far from feeling like our rights are restricted, having gun control has given us freedom and peace of mind. Most of us here feel sorrow for countries with limited or no gun controls, whose citizens as a result have to suffer through deeply tragic and unfair situations like this one a lot more regularly
One of the beautiful qualities of the Australian lifestyle and way of being is that people there with guns mostly have a responsible interest for the use to possess them.
So many less people feel empowerment from having guns to stand behind.
Law enforcement feel like they maintain greater means for control in security to keep the peace.
But plastic 3D printer guns or mini harpoons could become a problem.
Guns there generally are not common in regard with the psychology or needs concern for youths.
Same in Canada. People with guns don’t see it as their identity.
@dražen g exactly.
Dr. I really love the fact that you really do read our comments. So many say they do but don't. Another thing we appreciate that about your channel. Thank you.
While I too appreciate his videos I see he is "selective" when it comes to comments of praise versus comments that may question his perception of reality.
@@pkgum6910 He's a mouthpiece with an agenda..as he has shown by his opinions regarding this incident
Gun ownership is NOT a fundamental right. The fact that the majority of the world's population thinks it is not inherently proves the point.
11:58 "to deny some of the people the right" That's how practically all laws came into being. Why do you say this only about gun laws?
12:07 "I'm willing to give up my right" too right. We have dangerous people all around, and anyone can become dangerous induced by life events (divorce, cheated on, job loss, road rage). This is not about privacy.
12:45 "no statistical impact" ARE YOU KIDDING? The homicide rate fell MUCH FASTER in OZ following the additional restrictions then before. Same for Germany, UK, Finland, NZ, Switzerland, etc
13:26 "bad behaviour of 1 person" No, it is the risk posed by many, not the action of 1.
Last but not least: homicides in the US has massively trended upwards in the last 4 years - and only in the US. Do you know what else has surged in the last 4 years in the US? Gun sales, and by the same ratio.
There is no good valid argument for private gun ownership.
I don't quite understand the extra 1,652 years of prison, beyond the 35 life sentences without parole. Is that supposed to be some sort of realistic sentence, or just a ridiculous form of theater? Do they think he might be capable of slowing down his aging process, so the extra 1,652 years are there in case he succeeds? Is it supposed to be funny... maybe a form of sarcasm? And why stop at 1,652 years? Why not just round-up to an even 2,000... or a million years, for that matter? So many questions.
1652 bulletts to his body by different individuals including family members of the people he mowed down would be more appropriate and realistic.
This is in case he gets charges dropped later.
Owning firearms isn't a fundamental right in the US either. It's just claimed to be such because of a misinterpreted, often purposely so, part of the constitution. The intent of the lawmakers does matter. Still, one could argue that since the new meaning of the amendment has become fairly widely accepted and established, it is the current legitimate interpretation.
Also, to say that the Australian law was changed because of the actions of one individual is wrong. Among other factors, it was changed because of the mostly preventable deaths of 35 people. That's still a minuscule part of the population and many Americans do see things in that light. If, say, ten million people were killed in a massacre committed by a single individual, I think it could be enough to change laws even if the chances of a similar event happening were one in a quadrillion.
well, the problem isn't that u.s. gun laws aren't restrictive enough..... the problem is, what good are those gun laws if they aren't enforced at all?
As an Australian that section of the video was hard to hear tbh, I really enjoy living in a society where guns are rare and the supposed lack of statistical difference in homicides is of little interest to me when you can live relatively free of fear. A firearm is not a basic necessity like food, water or shelter, it has one purpose and one purpose only and that is to cause physical harm.
If you need one for farm work or to cull kangaroos or whatever other apparently legitimate reason, you can get one, so it's not like it's impossible or we all threw our weapons in a fire and are now vulnerable to alien invasion- but if these laws prevent even one senseless act of cruelty and violence, then I support it and wouldn't change a thing.
“The right to bear arms shall not be infringed”
What about that is unclear to you?
@@emilyveale2805 if you acknowledge that the ban has made no statistical difference in number of homicides, then your fear or lack thereof is irrational and not based in evidence
@@klown463 That's exactly the kind of misinterpretation I was talking about. Your quote is a small part from the middle of a paragraph that sets the context. It's not a disconnected section or even a sentence, despite often being touted that way.
Thank you for that Doctor. As an Australian I am so glad that we tightened our gun laws to restrict access to automatic weapons. Gun crimes are extremely low compared to USA. You guys have to do something. Mass shootings happen far too often.
You never had access to automatic weapons to begin with.
What "automatic weapon" was involved here?
You know nothing about gun laws, we never had automatic weapons and the laws now only affect people who obeyed them prior to the shooting, Australia has been made into some nanny state afraid of firearms.
Martin used colt AR15 and SLR L1A1
I’m shocked to hear you speak of guns as a fundamental right like the right to privacy. Yes, I’m Australian. Since Pm John Howard banned semiautomatic guns murders still occur, true. However, mass shootings are extremely rare since that time. Our children don’t have “shooter drills” at school and we don’t worry about gun crime. God bless America.
Well said - good for you. I'm Irish and we are not allowed to have guns either and we have little, if any, crime involving firearms.
I'm American and yeah, I couldn't believe Sandy Hook wasn't our Port Arthur. The statistics on Australian mass murders after 1996 are extremely significant, I don't see why he said there's no statistical difference.
it's like americans outright refuse to accept the fact that nowhere else in the world is the situation as acute as it is there. they seem so detached from the rest of the world that they can't imagine that some of us don't actually live in constant fear of being shot...
@@小鹿-p8f tbh as an American, I know the feeling. I used to live in Australia and it was nothing like it is here. I live in a conservative and republican state so hearing people talking about how they don’t want their gun rights infringed upon is pretty crazy. It’s one thing to say that you want to be able to own a gun because of our amendment rights but it’s another thing opposing restrictions on how easy it is to get one. At some point it would be nice to have people look around and recognize that too many people have access to the more dangerous guns
@@小鹿-p8f I agree that major restrictions need to be made regarding access to guns. However, I don’t and I don’t believe anyone I know lives in fear of being shot. Sad as it is, things like that just kinda blend into the background and no one ever thinks it’ll happen to them. I think that’s actually a big reason why we fight gun control so fiercely. Because we DONT live in fear when maybe we SHOULD.
So much debate regarding the differences in gun laws between USA and Australia. It’s apples 🍎 and oranges 🍊. The constitution in the USA formed the way it did because it had to. Australia has a very different history. We didn’t need to fight between the British, French, Spanish etc., and we also didn’t have the same alliances and wars against the native people. No cowboy culture - just the British taking what they wanted, and putting down the original Australians with vastly superior firepower. Our modern day lives and attitudes are very different as a result. Our “constitution” is fundamentally British and the needs of the many are prioritised by the government.
Leading up to this massacre there had been a bunch of family murder-suicide incidents in which fathers murdered their whole families and then killed themselves. I know a family that nearly became one of those statistics. There is definitely a cultural difference between the US and Australia over guns. Our population is mostly urban and does not see guns as tools that they need like our country cousins do. Guns have a lot of restrictions on them but it is possible to own and use them so long as ammo is stored securely and seperately from the gun which is also stored securely. It's a lot of hassle and expense but it is do-able.
The way a lot of us Aussies see it is that we don't _need_ guns so the vast majority of people did not feel they were giving anything up. Farmers and sport shooters need guns but they're a minority. Farmers can have a licensed gun for culling feral animals or kangaroos and sports shooters have to be members of a recognised club. This removes the temptation of an increadibly dangerous device from a person having a homicidal impulse. The other people who have guns only have them for criminal reasons.
There! You've stated it yourself, "The only other people who have guns only have them for criminal reasons."
How could the criminals possibly have guns?! They were all confiscated! How could this be? So I guess, 'When guns are outlawed... only outlaws will have guns?" Congratulations, the effects of the koolaid have done their job.
I notice he doesn't mention that mass shootings in Australia went down to zero.
@@megatherion2695 Which shows he has an agenda
I understand your analysis on fundamental rights… But what do you do when it’s multiple people i.e. the United States In the mini school shooters or public space shooters… What do you do with that? I mean I’m a gun rights person because I want to be able to own guns myself, but how do you handle a situation like what we have in the United States doctor?
Why do you want to be able to own guns for? Where is this massive indoctrination about having the right to own guns comes from? Should be the the real question here. 🧐
Do you have any actual reason for wanting to own guns, beyond just wanting the option? I’m an american too and frankly the gun culture here is absolutely insane
It's called regulation. Why do you need guns anyway? To fight a dystopian government sometime in the future? There is a name for that, it's called civil war. Are you really going to fight your neighbours with your AR15?
I thought this was about mental health you focused too much on gun rights.
Martin Bryant's case is only important because of it's impact on gun rights. Before I became involved in sport shooting, I had never heard of this incident. Most well-read, sophisticated people outside of Australia have not heard of it.
@@patnolen8072 I understand the impact and importance of discussing gun laws with this case and explaining it to people who never heard of the case. However I feel the Dr shifted to much to this topic.
I feel back then and in my day's the help and resources weren't there for kids who had problems however we didn't all turn into killers.
He couldn't have commited the attack after the change in gun laws. That's the point. People like him will always exist, but their ability to do harm is limited by the technology at their disposal. This discussion at the end of the video seemed rather muddled.
You can just lock up all society and claim your keeping them safe
@@willnill7946 Fear the government that fears your guns.
@UCLk5AI4xWWOqq_iNQ68if-A speaking as someone who lives in a country with strict gun laws, I can tell you that they work.
@@willnill7946 you mean like a lockdown to prevent a virus from killing millions of vulnerable people? Yeah, I can see how that might be required in some circumstances.
@@GR-wp4wb What good are such restrictions if overall no lives are saved?
Why was there no physical evidence tying him to the crime why was he under conservator ship but allowed to plead guilty why has every single piece of evidence the Australian government has been sealed
Thank you. These are THE questions everyone should ask. Sources of irrefutable forensic evidence identifying the shooter were available but have never been produced or made public.
The information that we in Australia, received on this massacre was extensive. He was horrendously cruel.
That info was pretty much all false. Martin never shot anyone.
Sorry Dr Grande, I love you but you're completely wrong about the homicide rates. And the statistics that are most relevant are homicides using guns and suicides using guns.
There is a lot of misinformation in Australia regarding the murder rates by gun nuts who want to bring guns back. I wish you had looked at more resources to find the real stats on this one.
Taking away the right to own something that is designed to kill is soooo different than taking away the right to peaceful assembly or something of that nature.
I'm so glad I don't live in a country surrounded by guns.
The gun laws worked here.
@@Warriorcock6969 fantastic, how many lives did they take? Also I'm clearly talking about my country, not yours
@@Warriorcock6969 cars have a purpose other than killing. We regulate cars. Make sure people driving them have licences and drive them safely.
A car can kill, a gun will kill. That's it's primary purpose. It's completely different
Statistically speaking: Since the Port Arthur massacre and its resulting legislation, Australia has never had another spree shooting. Ever. That's a pretty major situation. I'm not saying your thoughts are incorrect I'm just saying that this is a massive piece of information that cannot be ignored outright. The US could never do what Australia did, regardless of "fundamental rights" (which, as a reminder, was built around a well regulated militia NOT a guarantee that everyone should be able to own whatever firearm they so pleased). We simply have too many weapons in the public sphere, with millions more being manufactured. Drones were properly regulated because they were a technology that was new to the scene and could be observed and regulated as we learned more about how people could use them. We do not have this luxury with guns. We do need federal consistency in our gun laws and, in an exception, we need that consistency to override states' sovereignty. Until we have that, the US will remain the lone country in which attacks like this take place with high regularity. When we decided that childrens' lives were worth less than consistent gun regulation, we found out who we were as a society. The rest of the world, however, already knew.
I just watched an documentary about this terrible event.. Yet again I found myself thinking " what would Dr Grande speculate is going on in a case like this?" and here you are. You never fail to deliver 🤗
I am an Australian citizen, born in the US and I emigrated to Australia as an adult over 25 years ago. While this is a good analysis of the mental history of Martin Bryant and the Port Arthur massacre Dr Grande, I think you are looking at the Australian change of gun laws with an Americanised lens. To view guns as aligned with basic “rights” makes the assumption that all societies and cultures should treat guns with the same reverence that the USA does. The USA’s constitutional right to bear arms is an historical artifact law which has no relevance in a civil modern society. Looking back, I am still amazed that a conservative government changed the gun laws in Australia on the basis of one mass shooting, so that it wouldn’t happen again. I feel much safer in Australia than I would in America now. The true measure of the wellbeing of a society is how it treats its most vulnerable members of society. The USA fails this test now on many levels, not least of which is the constant mass shootings in schools. If the USA can’t be persuaded to change the gun laws to protect its most vulnerable and precious children, then as a society it’s pretty fucked. As you said, the homicide rate had been dropping for some time already in Australia. That is not the reason why the gun laws were changed. It was to prevent massacres. I haven’t felt that my rights have been violated, I feel that my government and country did an amazing thing to protect me and my fellow Australian citizens.
I’m an Aussie, so I get to weigh in on this. For the first time I completely disagree with you Dr Grande.
We don’t care about your ‘right to bear arms’.
You talk about a lot of statistics, but statistics are just that, numbers that can be manipulated to give you any outcome you want.
Gun laws across the board were completely tightened up. Automatic weapons were banned. You require a licence for each and every fire arm. Licences are not given without background checks. If you have a legitimate need to own a fire arm then you can obtain one. You just have massive responsibility for that privilege. Hundreds of thousands of weapons were turned in and destroyed, and their owners compensated. Guns must be stored in locked safes and ammunition in seperate locked storage. You don’t get the right to ‘carry’ a gun in Australia.
When guns are removed from the picture in the majority of situations, you don’t end up with mass shootings every other day or stories of parents buying their children handguns to subsequently go shoot up their school.
I was in Chicago a few years ago on July 5th, and preparing to head to the airport when the morning news came on the TV. The chippy little reporter said “this 4th of July weekend there have been 87 shootings in the city of Chicago, 13 people were killed and 5 of those were on the 4th of July”, like she was reading a weather report. We were horrified and glad to be heading home.
I am happy with the lack of what you call a fundamental right but what I call an earned responsibility.
As a fellow Aussie, I agree with your well written argument completely. Well said.
@@dali2314 Thank you.
yeah, i agree with you... where i live, even operating a vehicle isn't considered a right, it's a privilege that needs to be earned by proving that you are able to do so responsibly... u.s. gun laws are even more restrictive than where i live, but what use are those laws if they are not enforced because some people are constantly ranting about people infringing on their rights by simply enforcing the law that's actually in place
Thanks for the sermon. As far as I know, we all have the right to "bare" arms. The shootings in Chicago are committed by gang members. I can just see a gang member wanting to get a gun, then realizing "I can't have a gun! I wouldn't want to break the law!"
@@natekeyes2297 thanks for pointing out that the drunk elves of autocorrect couldn’t help themselves. Duly noted and corrected.
As for your gang argument - just what? If you eliminate all guns in the community, restrict types available for responsible usage and impose harsh penalties for owning one without appropriate licensing, then these incidents decrease.
Yes we have criminal gangs here too. They have managed to amass huge caches of illegal firearms. When they are discovered, they are destroyed. I respect our law enforcement and the work they do to keep us safe.
Your argument seems to be that you can’t fix the gangs so just ignore them. Seriously?
It is a very rare occassion when I disagree with your point of view but on this case possibly our culture and background separates our opinion . As an Australian I can confirm that the benefit to gun restrictions is evident in our daily lack of fear of school shootings , drive buys, accidental gun deaths and murder ! Australians generally view the concept of the right to bear arms as bizzare and frightening and even before gun restrictions, gun ownership in Australia was very rare except in the farming community and professions like the Police Force etc This is why the Port Authur Massacre was so shocking. Australians view our right to walk in peace and safety amongst our neighbours and society knowing that that it is very unlikely they will be armed with a gun as far more more valuable than any individuals right to carry or own a gun . The benefits of gun restrictions that you are so doubtful of, is much less gun death and much less gun murder and much less fear and tragedy ! The cost you refer to is meaningless in this context ! However looking at America (and most Australians share my view) , the cost of gun ownership in America is thousands upon thousands of people robbed of their lives at gunpoint every year ; a loss that can't truly be estimated in terms of numbers for who knows what any one of those people who needlessly die in America could contribute to society and perhaps the world ? What of their right to live ?
agreed
Trang dai massacre Tacoma Washington in I believe 1998 Interesting case, assailants were children of Cambodian immigrants and gang members. One of the imprisoned has said angry things on Facebook (yes prisoners often have access to a cellphone/internet). The killings didn’t stop after the massacre. The gang members and witnesses took their own lives/were murdered. Would be interesting to learn about the mentality behind this one.
As per an excellent assessment, although I differ from your take on guns i respect your right to own such things. In the UK they are legal if you have a purpose for them that can be demonstrated e.g hunting or farming and I think that is generally prefered here
The need for common people to own guns has been demonstrated time and time again by the tyrannical governments that oppress and murder them, but you keep on believing that your government cares about and protects you lol.
@@Autumn_Forest_ I don't believe that at all. I also don't believe the average citizen can do anything meaningful with firearms when their foe is a well trained and armed professional army.
@@Ramona_93 Um, try reading some US history and then get back to me.
@@Ramona_93 I guess we could cross your fingers that the military fractures if our governments go tyrannical.
I agree. Having a gun is not a fundamental right. A fundamental right is the right to have shelter, food, water, to practice your religion, and to go about your everyday life without being abused. Having a gun is not basic to ones survival or ones sense of humanity. In many senses it is actually antithetical to it.
I live in the Aust. outback an hour from nearest neighbour. living on the sparse land guns are a necessary part of life but most of us are still reluctant to use them; for some it's a sport like kangaroo shoots. But most Aussies abhor them and we love the U.S. but cannot understand their love of guns and enormous loss of life there, often accidental. Love your channel but got to disagree with you on your gun rights opinion ... guess just different cultures. thx
Accidental loss of life due to guns is very rare in the USA. More accidental deaths with swimming pools occur than with guns.
Guns are part of a larger belief in personal freedom, self reliance, and anti government sentiment.
I’m not trying to be cringe, I’m just trying to explain that he vast majority of Americans aren’t stupid, or irresponsible. It’s a part of our culture and history going back to the American revolution. Many of us just want the government to leave us alone, and we accept the bad with the good.
Dr Grande I have a question for you.
How do you account for the 6 hours that elapsed between 1:32pm when Wendy Scurr called the police and the Victorian police SOG actually attending the crime scene @7:30pm?
That’s 6 hours after the call…
Does that strike you as odd?
Would love to hear your thoughts on that one 🤙🏽
Or why it took almost two hours and a half for the first SOG (SWAT) officers to arrive at the Seascape Lodge just before 4.00pm when the two local constables, Whittle and Hyland were trapped in the ditch 150 metres from the lodge. It’s only a 15 minute helicopter ride from Hobart. The Duty Inspector in Hobart, Peter Wild, supposedly did a high speed dash from Hobart to Taranna, a distance of 85 kilometres, arriving at 2.00pm to set up the forward command post. What happened to the two police boats launched from Hobart supposedly to Port Arthur? Who fired the three shots heard by the witnesses hiding in the Old Magistrates house, The Clougha at 6.30pm?
@@frankwoods4179 none of which was worth a mention in Dr Grandes “deep analysis” of the situation
@@pauldevins8262 It is ‘interesting’ that only ‘conspiracy theorists’ can see the obvious, hear the obvious and speak about the obvious. It seems incredibly difficult for persons like Dr Grande to utter the “E” word - Evidence.
He doesn’t read his comments from what I gather. Kinda lost all respect after seeing this video. He lives in US and has probably never been to Australia so it’s not like he’s too scared to look at this critically. Just too lazy.
@@fab3laundry Sadly it is this type of rubbish that people watch and do not question.
He have to get this man in a cactus costume this Halloween. 🌵
Terribly disturbing story, but thank you for covering this, Dr. Grande. And I agree with your commentary on the gun issue. I love your videos--always interesting,
My parents sat next to him on a plane, all the way back to Australia, from the USA. He was irritating and said and did things that were definitely off.
I live in Tasmania and was on-call at the medical doctors' service in Hobart when this shooting occurred.
Initial reports were that some scuba divers had been shot, but it soon became clear there was a real problem at Port Arthur when we got word not to send anyone to the Royal Hobart Hospital because of some terrible shooting down the South East of Tas.
Over the evening and night, the horrors of this shooting unfolded in the news.
We frequently drove past the New Town residence, going about our usual business in town.
I knew people at Port Arthur during the shooting and I was shown one of the bullet holes in the bonnet of a car...
Thanks Dr. Grande for your analysis! I don't like guns period. I would not allow them in my home. I think they are used for too many wrong reasons. Especially if anyone has any mental health issues they become destructive and a way to lash out with anger. Sad event all around. Too bad Martin didn't get help at an early age, bullying didn't help him in any way. TFS
I don't like Harley Davidsons. They are noisy, annoying and people are getting killed on them all the time. Mostly by non attentive car drivers. So I say let's take away the Harleys and the cars for that matter too. Punish all the law abiding citizens who have desires and likes for those things. I don't suppose you have a butcher knife in your kitchen do you? You are afraid of what you likely know little about. You have been fed this mantra by the liberal leftists and you apparently believe it. SMH!
And it made him worse i could say
Dr Grande, I find rather vapid your argument about the government being able to assess anyone's mental health at any time and the related privacy concerns. I am not aware of any country whose gun control legislature authorises such random at-will assessments. Instead, people applying for a gun licence will be assessed specifically for that application. The gun licence's continuation may also be made contingent on additional mental health check-ups every few years. How does this differ in any way for the physical and vision check-ups that are required of driving licence applicants to ensure such a licence is not given to someone who cannot see enough to safely operate a car in public traffic, or has a disorder that could render them unconscious? Yet the law does not prevent or penalise such people from driving altogether, as long as they do so outside of public traffic.
The 2nd amendment was created at a time when even the swiftest of shooters could hardly reach a rate of fire of two per minute. Its purpose is to allow citizens to form organised militias in order to protect themselves when the federal military cannot respond quickly enough. Allowing dangerously unhinged people to have firearms is only not useless but directly counter for that purpose. Even more importantly, it poses a direct conflict with the right to life of anyone who may happen across their path on the day they end up with the urge to kill, a far greater conflict than would a mentally stable person having a gun.
Incorrect about the 2nd Amendment's purpose my friend. It literally states this:
_A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a FREE state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed._
It's got nothing to do with with taking the place of a the federal military and everything to do with protecting ourselves against an overreaching government. You must remember what these people were dealing with when they wrote the document: Tyrannical overreach into each citizen's life. It wasn't just about 'no taxation without representation". I know, I'm a history professor (with a minor undergrad degree in psychology. Thanks Dr. Grande)
Jefferson said the 2nd amendment is there to prevent a tyrannical government from taking the other amendments away . Except he was much more eloquent .
I would have appreciated if this video was more about the psychology of Martin Bryant (what I come to this channel for) and less about gun rights in Australia (not why I'm on this channel, and as someone living in Australia it wasn't an accurate representation of the situation here - there has never been a "fundamental right" to own guns here, so your argument doesn't hold water).
That's what I was thinking - no right was taken away from Australians for gun ownership because it never existed. Australians seem to take less issue with their gun restrictions than Dr. Grande does.
Additionally, I, too, wish this focused more on the case itself. But, this is Dr. Grande's channel, and he has made his interest in guns and gun ownership known previously. However, I don't subscribe to him for his political views and the insertion of his opinion (which I know he has every right to) under the pretense of a professional's psychological speculation leaves a bad taste in my mouth. But I digress.
The Port Arthur Incident is only important because of it's impact on gun
politics. I had never heard of this incident until I became interested in
sport shooting. Well-read sophisticated people outside of Australia
generally haven't heard of it.
@@patnolen8072 that's interesting, as I'd heard about it when it happened as a teenager in NZ who has no particular interest in gun politics 🤷. Perhaps you are referring to "Well read" people in the US only, in which case this just highlights the lack of knowledge about the incident in the US, not exactly a benchmark for knowledge of global issues.
Hello dr grande, could you maybe analyse the german actor klaus kinski? He was disgnosed with psychopathy and is known for his major outbursts and very mean replys in interviews. Thanks for your consideration
Yes, but his daughter Nastasia was very pretty! ;)
Perfectly pivotal. Almost like he was a patsy with a 56 I.Q. who pulled off a perfect black ops mission which caused a huge disarming of the citizenry they would lock down 30 years later.😂
It’s pretty weird watching this in a hotel bed about 150-200 meters away from where it happened the year I was born. Gonna go in the morning and pay tributes to the people who died to a degenerate with a gun. Be careful with the crazy people around you.
As an Australian, it’s disturbing to me how so many Americans, and even Dr. Grande, consider ownership of a man-made weapon a right.
Australia is largely a gun free society , certainly in comparison to America. Surely that's a good thing????
The two main problems I have with the Port Arthur Massacre case is firstly that the video footage of Martin Bryant outside the place where he shot people, is too indistinct to enable a positive and conclusive identification of Martin being the shooter, we don't see a clear image of his face in it, all we see is someone who looks vaguely like Martin and for all we know it could actually be someone else wearing a blonde wig, from where the camera was located it would have been difficult to tell if it was real hair or merely a blonde wig, secondly, Martin Bryant's I.Q. was assessed to be 66, that's below average intelligence, and the question is just how much intelligence does it take to be able to effectively operate a military-grade firearm such as an AR-15, I mean soldiers have to train for quite a few months to effectively use a weapon like an AR-15, and the army assesses the intelligence of new recruits.
Julian Knight, the Hoddle Street gunman would also be truly fascinating to analyse. Great work on the Martin Bryant case.
There were several mass shootings prior to Port Arthur. Tightening our gun laws has contributed to us not going down the same path as the USA. Thank God!
The Killer Hanson Brother
Thank you Dr Grande for the Martin Bryant case. I still remember the day it flooded the Australian air waves.
I remember when this happened, such a terrible and senseless crime. Bryant was'nt the brightest bulb in the shed, or stable. For him the combination of easy money and alcohol led to a tragic end for all involved.
yur country should demand a tv interview of him,,,,,,,,everone just wants to speculate and put it in the closet,,,,,,,,,,,
Everyone I know is happy we have gun restrictions, I'm in rural Australia and we have a gun range, farmers, the local caravan park owners set off guns to scare off birds.
The restrictions are that we can only have ( non semiautomatic)guns if locked in a safe with ammunition in a separate part but they can be used as long as registered and an adult. My brother goes out and shoots rabbits.
So it's not really as bad as you make it out.
Dr Grande, I really enjoy your analyses on many cases, particularly these comments on the passengers on the flight shared with Martin (it would have been marginally less worse talking to Martin vs jumping off the plane mid-flight). I remember when this occurred and I live in Melbourne. It’s pretty rare to have a massacre in Australia and society was somewhat divided in their opinions return laws. I really appreciate your analysis on fundamental rights and I agree that just because 1 person does something bad, why should everybody else be punished? (You didn’t say these things exactly - this is my interpretation). I am not a fan of guns but believe in restrictions and I see no reason for an average Australian citizen, and not a soldier, to own or use a semi-automatic rifle. This is where I draw a line in the sand. People were devastated and I don’t think those victims who are still alive or families of their dead, loved ones, will ever get over the trauma.
It shocks me and saddens me that there are so many shootings in America. This is rare in Australia. I love Americans but very happy to have less rights, as an Australian, if it means living in a relatively safe and quiet country.
Martin Bryant is a cruel man who killed many innocent people. I have no fundamental, constitutional rite to bear arms but I could not care less.
I am, however, concerned about a lack of freedom of speech - I feel like Australia is heading that way.
Does anybody else feel this way?