Eurovision 2018 Grand Final Split Results: Who did the juries help or hurt?
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- Опубліковано 24 тра 2018
- We break down the jury and televoting split result from the Grand Final of Eurovision 2018.
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Deban Aderemi - / debanaderemi and / debandeban
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lilbean reb Stay strong! ❤️
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To me most upsetting are sweden and ukraine because it just shows how much power the juries have. televoters didnt like sweden - it's still seventh. televoters DID like ukraine, its seventeenth. why????
Olena - were is it?
Never agreed to something more than to this comment. It's just not fair.
Well Ukraine got 9th in televote and last in juries but Sweden got 2nd with juries and 21st with televote Sweden placed higher than Ukraine in there best and sweden placed higher than Ukraine in its worst
This year Ukraine was extremely underrated and I love you guys cause you love him 😅❤
For me the act that was hurt the most by the juries was Ukraine. I really don't understand it. If they placed Sweden at No2...I can not understand Melovin was placed last. His song was modern, great production, his vocals were on point, his perfermance was on point. All like Sweden still the one song/act was placed 2nd and the other last. I am baffled.
melovin was not my fave, but he was def better then Sweden. My country Denmark was also brutally slaughtered by the jury. I thought I was unique and different. But I think one of the reasons is that melovin was the first country on stage. So people kind of forgot it through the night
Mélovin ❤️❤️❤️
Let me say something: This duo is the spark of the Eurovision press. :)
Btw: Thank you for mentioning my winner Melovin.
Mese Igot7Glambert You are everywhere. 😂
OMG, someone noticed it. Actually, I'm a big Eurovision trash, so yeah, my comments are everywhere. 😂
Mese Igot7Glambert Same.
People are tired of the juries overrating Sweden and Australia every single year. I love Australia's song this year but still. Denmark, Ukraine, Italy and even Czech Republic were criminally under-estimated by the juries
Italy was my 1st, denmark my 2nd and ukraine my 3rd but apparently the jury does not agree with my choices
《 marije 》
You have good taste :) That's what matters.
Juries just like boring things xD
Yusuf more than the jury tho, they ended up much higher with the televoters
Yusuf can you just stop reacting to everybody
"Pass me the CD!!!"
-Deban, 25 May 2018
I can’t understand why France was so low with the public. I thought that from two songs with message (France and Italy), Madame Monsieur would be preferred by the audience, so imagine my shock during the reveal of the votes. Ukraine was absolutely robbed by the jury, Melovin deserved so much more.
Italy had a powerful performance compared to France. Also MetaMoro are stronger performers live. We already knew that since National Finals. It wasn't a surprise to me.
Super agree about Melovin :D
I think people didn't understand well the message of Mercy (and even that the title is the name of a baby girl)
This should be the role of commentators, to explain the lyrics and the story behind the song, and maybe that's not always the case, or people aren't listenning to them...
Maybe with LED screens, it would have been clearer (but I loved the staging of the song)
Alex Bag
You may not get the lyrics or message, yet you can feel something watching and listening a song.
Their performance lacked feeling live. That was the problem for viewers I think
Yeah you're right, it didn't leave it's mark on viewers as Italy's did with text on screen.
That's a recurrent issue for France at Eurovision, unfortunately
I loved both but in the final night Ermal and Fabrizio gave me goosebumps which sadly France couldn't. They sang with so muvh passion being anxious and all before. but I think Madam Monsieur had already perfoed so much they couldn't create that spark on the night it mattered
Deban is the reason I'm subscribed to this channel. Seriously. I can listen to him talk for ages. Marry me Deban.
As a German, it felt so good to get points :D Thanks to everybody who voted :)
And special thanks to Emmelie de Forest (winner Denmark), Niamh Kavanagh (winner Ireland), Nathan Trent (Austria 2017) and Sharon den Adel (lead singer of Within Temptation) for putting Michael Schulte on number 1 ♥️ Those people know what's good :D
Still don't understand the jury voting for Ukraine...
Justice for Mélovin!!!!!!
The role of the jury should be to provide some support through votes for entries that:
- Have bad placing in the running order
- Are from countries that don't traditionally have a friendly neighbours
- Have artistic integrity that the public may not recognise
- Represent genres that may not be the traditional pop that the public likes to vote for
But fundamentally their voting should be unbiased and based on some minimal understanding of what the public actually likes. Why is it then that they continuously vote too generously for Sweden and Australia whilst ignoring countries like Spain, Portugal, Ukraine, Denmark, Finland etc that either had bad placing or don't have that many neighbours??
Having said this, I do think that this year, despite the Jury and Televote being so different in parts, the overall voting results seemed somewhat fair judging by the success of countries like Albania, Lithuania, Ireland, Austria who I thought may be super underrated. I'm just still really sad about Portugal tbh. I also don't think Italy coming 17th with the Jury is a bad thing, they're supposed to equalise entries that do too well from the running order, and I'm sorry but i think France had a similar style of song but did it better and if the Jury kept it so that both entries got a respectable and deserving place then I'm happy.
YepItsThatGuy i was rly happy abt Albania - wldve loved top ten for that monster vocal
Jo Nyu honestly same, I don't what it is about Eugent and his song but it's somehow been my favourite song since it was the first to come out back in December.
YepItsThatGuy This is not what jury is for. They are to choose best songs, that have chance to hit charts. They are not looking for songs that need help.
YepItsThatGuy I am still happy for Albania in semi 1 and for Slovenia in semi 2, both songs deserved. Great songs and underrated countries that made it to the finals.
What do you think the reasons were? I would never believe Melovin didn't impress the juries... Like in semi-final some of them put him on 1-3 positions, in final 24-26. Is it a joke or what? What do you guys think? Politics? Ear problems? I do not get it(
thepacificocean He doesn't know to sing in English?!!! I haven't understood his single word of the song, so maybe jurors felt exactly the same. I don't blame them at all, if you don't know how to pronounce foreign language, then better sing in your native languge.
lovemusicmusa maybe, but this wouldn't have any influence on Slavic and Baltic countries like Belarus, Russia , Poland, Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Croatia and so so so on. It cannot influence the marks THAT much.
Is not about the pronunciation. Its about the performance and his voice.
I don't understand how Austria did so well and Ukraine and Italy did so poorly!
Just listen to Cesar's voice
Cesar has a great voice. Melovin sounded like garbage.
Clearly majority of the people disagreed with you, because Melovin came 7th in the televote and Cesar, 13th.
you are wrong. MELOVIN is a wonderful singer with nice voice
SherlockH85 Search for his X Factor performances. Then you'll talk about Melovin's voice.
Albania’s Eugent Bushpepa was definitely the best male vocalist of the entire competition! He deserved more. Good result, anyway. Good on Albania!
It's obvious isn't it?
The reason Austria and Sweden was first in jury is that those are SAFE songs. The jury loves safe, trendy and radio-friendly. Ironically this is also the reason why Sweden and Austria did not do well with the televoters.
Televoters love fun and risk-taking (Denmark, Ukraine, Moldova, Czech Republic, Israel) but they also love deep and raw emotion (Italy, Germany, Lithuania).
Cyprus is neither fun, risk-taking nor emotional, but they rode on a wave of hype before the show, being marketed as a potential winner and benefited from it tremendously - the almost tie between them and Italy proves it.
France scoring low in televotes... well, it wasn't a big surprise. It was too cold and dark on stage, too militaristic outfits, they looked like they were going to a funeral - most of their potential voters called for Italy (warmer, more emotional, normal outfits, better running order).
The fact that France and Italy didn't get more jury points is the biggest red sign in many years: Yes, the jury is useless and needs to go. We have had enough of entitled friends of the producers deciding who has the most marketable song. Now let Eurovision be democratic again!
Bernhardina Hörnstein Well said!
Preach!
Great analysis! Thanks!
This is the kind of analysis I was hoping to see in this video. Thank God you did not me wast my time. Bravo!
Jury is also professional but dont forget that Televoters vote for mediocre songs too. Remember Finland in 2015 the Televoters placed them in Top 10 in semifinal. Televoters can be biased sometimes
For me this year it didn't bother me where what country was placed at the end because this year there were so many good songs. after the show, me and some other german fans cheered for Michael Schulte by the green room for how well we did and then we saw Claudia Pascoal crying and us and some other eurovision fans sang O Jardim for her. It was such a magical moment.
I have no problem with Nobody But You, the problem I had was with the staging!!!!!!!!! But I love the song!!! I LOVE IT, THE SONG!!
Italy was robbed!!! While most of you guys trashed Italy's staging and yet you guys also think it's because of it going after Fuego?!!!
Ukraine was robbed as well!!!! Really robbed!! Totally robbed!!!! WTF?! Melovin deserved more!!
Ruby Chiang yesss I agree so much. I like Austria’s song but the performance? In my opinion the most disappointing from the whole final. It was boring and unmemorable. Still can’t wrap my head around the jury result.
yesss soo true
I don't think that jury needs to go, but either the ratio of jury/televote should change to the viewers' favor, or the judges must be picked much carefully (maybe followed by EBU approval or something like that). 'Cause, for instance, in Ukraine some of the "experts" have been doing show business for like less than 5 years. And I believe that Ukrainian jury is not the only case. Still thank you for your support for Ukraine! Love y'all guys!!!
I agree with the more strict selection process for the juries. I'm from Spain and our jury members were so random, to me only 2 of the 5 are ok for the task. Honestly, we had 2 members that have been in music industry for HALF A YEAR. That shouldn't be allowed
Maybe the juries should consist of more members. As I understand it, there are currently only 5 members in each jury.
When I saw Italy in third place in the televote I shed a little tear not gonna lie
I was expecting France in the third position, but because Italy was my second favourite, it was a nice surprise! :)
mishinha I thought that they were going to do better with the jury than with the televote, so when I saw them so low in the scoreboard after the juries voted I expected the absolute worst 😭😭 so happy it went all good
I am so tired of juries rating high songs which are radio-friendly and synthetic (like Sweden or Australia). They can appreciate something different but only if it fits some conservative standards (like Portugal last year). They don't appreciate extreme music genres in ESC and they don't appreciate what is new and pushes the boundaries in the Contest.
This year's jury winner was the most regular and anonymous I could imagine this year in the line-up.
In the end of the day somebody has to be first and somebody has to be last. But it’s much easier for me to accept the choice of millions of viewers than a couple of “professional” juries
i need to print this statement on a t- shirt or something!
TBH i dont agree. Watching the eurovision throughout the 80's and especially the 90's is was almost a barroom joke when it came to the televoting. Every year regardless of how bad a song was, neighboring countries would vote for each other. It was making a mockery of the competition. The jury may not get it right either but the combined votes make a far more fair result then just the televote.
Jury is required. But they need to fix some issues. While televoting uses the neighbour and pop/dance factor, the jury is using radio friendly/sales factor. Both are neglecting the quality of the songs.
It's probably just me, but I feel like the audio quality during Melovin's performance is what made it slightly offputting for me. It felt like the background music was much too soft for a track that's supposed to blow you away. However, that's DEFINATELY not a reason to put Ukraine last.
Thank you very much but you forgot the Czech Republic and Bulgaria ❤
Are we seriously not gonna mention the Czech republic? That gap was also huge, 15th/4th.
My Top Was:
1 - UKRAINE 💙😭
2- BULGARIA 💛😭
3- ISRAEL ♥️👏
Melovin Was robbed 😠
Dalyssa Sali15 Thank you❤️❤️❤️
he should of got top 5 i LOVEE him ❤️😭😭🥺
Just a video idea - go through each country from Iceland (43) to Israel (1) and talk about all of the good and bad things about there performances, where you think they should've finished etc. Could give you 43 days worth of videos!
Nathan Constable
That's a great idea. What do you say wiwibloggs?
Portugal last place.... I can’t with that
*PASS ME THE CD*
Eurovision wont be the same if it starts to take itself too seriously. Really dont get the judges' hate of costume entries. Vikings did bad, vampire did bad. Everybody at my party voted for Denmark, it came top 3 in the Ukrainian audience vote.
Thanks from Denmark
Jo Nyu thank you for the votes ❤
I enjoyed Mélovin's song, and it's very catchy and original as well. 😄 However, I couldn't understand what he was saying some of the time, but I have to admit his English improved a lot over these past few months. 👍👍👏👏 Biggest robberies for me were Finland and Bulgaria. If Finland had gotten in the top 15, I would have been okay, but second to last? Seriously? It has a stronger message than several songs that placed above it. Also, everyone was talking about how Bulgaria would be screwed over by the juries, but no. It was the PUBLIC that screwed them over. The very same people that said the juries would ruin Bulgaria's chances. It definitely deserved top 5 or 10. Still angry.
Italy was robbed(and btw yes I’m Italian and I’m tired that every year the jury doesn’t even care about Italy, while thanks to the public we ended up in the top5, being the third most voted county)
Marty -
You have people's love :D
That's what trully matters :)
Juries are just biased so next xD
nil erra yes I think that people’s love is what matters most after all, and I’m really happy that Europe showed Ermal and Fab all this love
Marty - totally agreed - i don't get why 200 jury members have the same power as potentially 200 mill. viewers - It's music not ice-scating or something - my taste is just as good or bad as any of those jurymembers.
broendbykim well said👏🏼
But now 3 years later, you won. 2021 was the year for italy. eurovision and the euro football cup. truely amazing. Great work Italy love from Denmark
I think we need both jury and televote
I do think the Jury could be helpful but only if they dropped the "radio friendly" reason out of their votes and focus more on the quality of the song/staging/voice performance. Why should a Eurovision song be radio friendly? It is not a radio contest, and the songs should not be made with only the pre-parties at mind or the possible future monetary drain from radio broadcasters.
And it wasn't even my favourite song (far from it), but what surprised me the most was the low position of Finland on the Jury vote. When I was watching the performance I felt like many things the singer did were to scratch points from the music experts (singing upside down, crouching down...) buuut nope.
Megumi014 Nowadays the “radio hit” element is defunct as hell, it’s likely that they actually focus more on songs that they think will make digital sales and/or can be used in advertising.
Yeah that is what I meant with future monetary drain XD My English is weird.
oh a robbery was CERTAINLY committed and melovin is the victim here
mimi I couldn't agree more...
I do feel that Norway and especially Ukraine was underrated by the jury. Almost riddicilous..
Finland wasn't given enough love by either jury or televote
I was so happy about Albania
I'm not going to take up a lot of your time!
I don't want to analyze televoting score and jury score. I just want to express my opinion about the main points of the contest.
Israel is marvelous. Song is really catchy, and negative reactions to its "chicken features" confirm it. I can't stand when someone writes about Netta's lack of talent/voice. Okay, you don't like her song, performance or appearance but you have to respect her and admit that she is a great vocalist. Watch her a capella of "Toy" at the press conference to make sure.
Cyprus. No comments. It's one of the most overrated participant ever. Yes, dancing is stunning but that's all. Song is more than ordinary IT'S JUST LIKE ALL POP SONGS WHICH ARE PRODUCED NOWADAYS. Moreover, at the beginning it sounds like Bulgaria in 2016 (song "If Love Was a Crime").
Austria. I've got such an uncertain impression about it. One of the strongest voice of this year, even though song reminds me of another song - Marlon Roudette "New Age", especially chorus. So it isn't a particularly good one in MY top, but deserves to be in top-5.
Sweden caused my resentment. I totally agree with televoting. Benjamin has a unique high voice and his choreography is perfect but SONG is my nighthmare. I cringe when I hear it.
Ukraine was totally underrated. The results of juryvoting made me feel like WHAT'S THE HELL WAS GOING ON. Melovin wasn't my favorite however I had noticed him, his song and perfomance. Yes, his English was a little bit confusing but I compared his perfomance at the National Selection with perfomance on Eurovision stage and found that so much work had been done in terms of improvement of Melovin's pronunciation. So it's still obscure to me.
And the last one is Portugal. I fell in love with this amazing song. I have been listening to it every single day. And I prefer live version much more than studio. It sounds so authentic with these cute imperfections like quavering voice. Although I accept the fact that the song is not "eurovisionable", so the result was clear and expected for me.
Thank you for reading it :)
GoodDary - Даша Васильева 💯%
omg I've been waiting for this video, i love you guys
I’ve been waiting for this video for ages!
Do you really think that Italy was put aside by the juries because of the subtitles??? That's English-speaking privilege! Many casual viewers do not speak English or Italian so maybe them having subtitles in German, Russian, Spanish, Portuguese among others DID help viewers to understand the song and maybe that is why it did better than France. Juries on the other hand have something against Italy and that's a fact.
I don't think the problem with Sweden was the ultra polished video clip but the song itself. Sweden keeps on sending the same formula of white young boy with radio friendly pop and we're tired of it.
Australia's song wasn't bad but the staging was all over the place so it was a well deserved place by the televote.
And to finish: Ukraine and Portugal were robbed too which basically tell us that the juries ARE NOT SO PROFESSIONAL so what's the point? They saved Albania but how many other did they hurt? I don't think we need to erase the jury vote but they need to reduce its influence or make the process more transparent because clearly they need help.
Can't wait for eurovision 2019!
YOU GUYS JUST MADE MY DAY WITH THIS VIDEO THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU FINALLY💗💗💗💗
I love this video, so honest and entertaining... and miss you already ❤️
You are the best both of you! Thank you for continuing giving us vids post ESC guys
I love watching just Will & Deban :) Just always so fun and warm to watch, as you can tell their friendship and charmarderie is not forced.
I think the juries score with what they think will be popular with the televoters! I expected Ingrosso of Sweden to finish in the top five with the televoters, and not Rasmussen of Denmark, whom I much preferred.
Ingrosso did as well as he did in Melodifestivalen because of his looks and charm, but his performance was smug and if you don't have likability to compensate for weak vocals, you're not going to score which the public.
I'm glad Austria got the recognition he deserved. I'm more with the jury than the public on this one.
Can't wait to see your other videos :D
I LOVED IT WAITING FOR THE SEMIFINAL VIDEOS ♥♥♥
I'm so happy that Austria came third. Good job Cesar! You really deserved it!!
You guys are so lovely, OMG.
I miss Eurovision. Using your videos and the CD’s and DVD’s to fill the Eurovision void in my heart
Bulgaria, France and Ukraine deserved to be in top 10!
porcelain vampire Mélovin was robbed the most ....poor guy...what a shame ...:(((
You Can Mostly Thank The televiters
Omg i was waiting for this !!!!! Love this
I think the split results are interesting and natural, because at the end of the day the jury may vote for what they consider quality, but it’s somehow difficult to set personal taste aside. And if it’s about taste, it’s normal that we have such differences. But I like this system of 50/50. It’s quite fair for me. Anyway, my final result would be a lot different from the jury’s and televote’s. Many that didn’t even qualified would be at my top 10.
im still crying for greece and armenia
Cassandra Mcbride exactly!
Thank you for changing your minds on Rasmussen! I loved the song, but him as a person is just amazing. Very humble and down to earth 👍
The jury's should have less power - Jury's 30% Public 70%
So instead of 1 to 2 troll songs each year, you want like 9?
No cuz then Bulgaria would be even more underrated.
Ukraine underrated by jury(((((
So, Wiwibloggs was very often told by other artists, delegations or producers that Austria had an excellent song but you never explicitly drew your viewers' attention to this fact? Hm.
I am currently waiting for your Eurovision 2018 recap video
The best part is always: "LET'S DO THIS!!!!!" 😂😂😂💜💜💜
I'm SOOOOOOOO happy Albania did so well! It's been safe in my top 5 since FiK
How on the earth the swedish and the australian were infinitely better than Italy or Czech Republic?! C'mon. What a shame
And Saara was robbed - deserved so much better and the position in the running order didn't help (people probably missed it as it was after a break). Juries almost screwed her over in the semi.
What happened with Mélovin was so unfair, he was so sad when he received the televote
he was you could tell he was so upset
Can't wait for the personal video - Im dying here with my PED
Tomas Patrick Davitt same sameee
When Israel won a man from the Israeli team put his hand on Cesar's face, as if saying get out of the way. He just wanted to congratulate netta. Poor Cesar
The rude guy was Doron Medalie, one of the song writers of "Toy". Perhaps wiwibloggs could get hold of him and asked him why he behaved like that.
I'm from Israel and I can say he's kind of a douche. Sadly, some people are thinking Netta did it and not him - she's not that kind of person at all.
SunoftheCakes Thinking Netta did it would be stupid. Everyone can clearly see on the clip that she just wasn't noticing that Cesar was trying to congratulated her, because she was caught up in the moment of winning, and because this Moron-Doron guy was clinging on her kissing her face and hands. If she had noticed Cesar, she would probably have been very happy being congratulated by Cesar, or any other of the contestants. She seems like a very sweet and loving person.
+Asa S: From what I've heard, many of the contestants liked each other and really hit it off.
France! Deserved! Better! But I’m so grateful to Eurovision regardless for introducing me to Madame Monsieur, I’m now a fan for life❤️
Tbh the huge differences (sometimes unjustified) speak volumes about the disconnect between juries and voters. Prior to this year, I was a strong proponent of the juries, but now, I'm not sure.
Great video as always!
Czech Republic, Italy, Portugal and Ukraine were robbed by juries! :(
Greetings from Croatia :)
I haven't read the comments yet, but I'm 100% sure that 99% of them are about Melovin get ripped off by the juries
Will you make a video where you will review the top crimes of the season. I am really looking forward to it!!!
Finally guys!!!
The juries are not always unbiased and fair with the voting. But looking back at the voting in the televote only era is easy to see why they came back and hopefully they are in to stay (ideally with some improvements). I was surprised and very happy with support for Austria & Albania, they deserved their result much more than the televoting only result.
vania costa
Agreee about Austria and Albania. They were amazing and deserved all the points from the juries.
O jardim is not a difficult title to pronounce, once you hear it!!!! Oh my goodness!!!! AND IT WAS ROBBED!!!! JUSTICE FOR CLAUDIA AND ISAURA!!!!!
I guess Europe got tired of Sweden and their pop songs. LOL
Denmark grew on me!!! But it was still not as epic as I would've wanted it to be!! But I love the part when the guys sang the Icelandic lines!! THAT WAS EPIC!!!
Since I speak Portuguese I can say that O jardim is a very beautiful song, with very touching lyrics. I just don't understand why it's got the last place.
Michele I dont speak Portuguese and I could only hear "Pshvshvsvh" but I found the song beautiful and very heart touching! Didn't deserve last place for sure
Nah. Portugal was rightly ranked last!! It’s just boring lounge music.
You certainly have VERY different taste in music than me.
it wasnt a eurofan type of song. For them it lack of the predictable marks, like climax and contrast between slow peace and fast rhythm... And since most of them dont bother themselves to understand the concept of the songs, it comes with one definition for them "boring". This was why jury was introduce to try to point it out the quality, but now it proves that even the jury falls. Im not against the jury, but like televote, it have its own thing, instead of been fair. Im happy that this year, we had so many different songs, that sadly in a few years, it will be like 2017. All the same...
Great video! Will you be doing these for the semi finals?
Czech should of been scored higher by the jury!!! their most ambitious performance and its radio friendly... I really thought they would respond better to it then they did
I also really think the televote jury point split shouldn't be 50 / 50... that needs to be reworked.
michael55671
And it was slick. It should have appeal to juries. Also radiofriendly yes.
I still don' get it xD
We can compare it to Sweden 2017 for example.. that came 3rd with juries and it wasn't as good as Czech Rep 2018. I don't get juries xD
michael55671 For me Sweden is better, so classy performance, Czech Republic is to childish and amateurish, even though I like the both songs.
Can you please do the semis too? Love you guys 😍
I actually asked Cláudia the same question during her press conference earlier that day. She was so cute, trying to make a tulip with her hand. :D
What about BULGARIA???
I genuinely hated Sweden due to its plastic levels of perfection even for how objectively "good" it was.
I don’t get the jurors’ votes. They ranked Denmark in such a low placing because it was too theatrical, but that’s kind of what Israel and Cyprus also did. And still, they were on the top of the jury ranking this year.
I thought that the entries weren’t bad but i would have been happier with France, Italy, Estonia etc placing higher in jury votes. Actually, I’m quite pissed off... 😄 I don’t mind Austria scoring first in jury votes, I have grown to like that song even more.
Glad that Germany did so well after all.
Overall I think that the jury system needs to be fixed in some way bc imo they were consistently overrating ordinary pop songs like Cyprus and Sweden and kind of robbing the chances from others.
Melovin my winner 😍
Jurors should rank countries based on songs and interpretation, not staging or props tbh. That's why they came back after all the televote years.
Guys, thank you for this video.
William, what is happening though, weren't you really loving the Italian entry?
Did the staging really make you forget about great things you acknowledged about the song, before?
Idk, they are the same powerful performers who wrote this song, and whose only purpose was to come to and deliver the message. They found the way which worked (apparently) excellently.
On the other side, about the juries, generally, if we criticize the juries, should we not be thinking a bit about the overall standing of the songs in relation
to one another?
We cannot look at it based on its individual ranking but it seems more critical to look at it in a relation to other songs and ask
"How did Italy (following the example) got ranked lower than - Norway, Australia, Chech Republic, Moldova, Sweden, Lithuania, The Netherlands by the juries?". I repeat, by the juries.
I understand their professionalism and me being biased, but in the end of putting rationally things on the paper (2+2=4) I still cannot understand on
which terms evidently great voices, melody, lyrics and powerful performance were not enough to place IT in top 10, juries? I cannot say it is political because
I do not know.. but Houston, we do have a problem because it was not just IT.
Oh, and something else is wrong... On the final evening of the Eurovision there was another attack in France, and few days ago another ten
people died in a school shooting in the US. Let "Non mi avete fatto niente" be your reminder of our need to stand up for
these people. Always. Thanks Italy.
I am not Italian but indeed a human being.
Greets from Croatia
Thank you so much for this video! 🤩 And that's how you cure PED 🎶
For entries with large jury/televote discrepancies, you forgot one camel in the room: Czech Republic
The cd of Italy must have been green bc it took over the image of the green screen which is the stage
I think Australia and Swedens televote results were deserved for me personally. Jessica is so so talented but I think the stage performance was empty. If I'm honest I actually thought she looked a state. The issue was more staging and styling here and that made it all very basic and forgettable.
Sweden again nothing wrong with the song and all that let's be real I'm not slating that. I'll be honest the song and performance came across as cold. He came across as quite obnoxious it was really off-putting through the performance. Sweden was the one performance whilst I was in the arena I couldn't focus on and just went on my phone. There is the problem with Sweden the inability to connect past 30 seconds
I was too happy for Cesar...I was crying....
Eurovision went from a year when jury/televote/awards were in sync to a year of complete caos during the votes! even in the semi finals... The televoting is more open to different music styles. That's my take on this. Sweden and Australia, even with me having no doubts about the quality of the artists, I am forced to listen to this type of music everyday. I don't want to but I just need to turn the tv or the radio on. It's the background music of every shop. If I don't like it then why would I like it now? Austria, Germany and Bulgaria fall on this category aswell.
Portugal was robbed but host's curse.... Ukraine and Hungary was jury robbed. Albania was televote robbed.
The mystery grows with Norway thou... How can the winner of a semi final score so low in the final???
I miss you both together, William, Deban, afte the busy Lisbon event. Italia was my most fave and I felt they were vindicated after the televoting result came out. I felt the jurors were very subjective in their judgment and must have considered these artists as competitors.
I have always said that EBU saved eurovision by introducing the 2 semifinals-format and for returning the juries after the disaster contest of 2007 - Ever since the contest have gained more popularity, we have seen a significant reduction of joke-entries/protestsongs, the overall quality of the music in the contest has never been better than it is now and this year was a final prove of that NO country is safe anymore, so if you're going to succeed in the contest you have to send a good song and you can no longer just rely on your neighbour countries, but have to appeal to the whole continent to get a good result.
- So NO we shall never have a contest again without the juries, because that will just be a major stepback to a time where eurovision was dominated by loud, aggressive songs and was ruined by a completely predictable voting pattern.. It has sure changed for the better and eurovision is actually exciting to watch nowadays..
So stop all the nonense about dismissing the juries, because you don't even realize what the consequences will be. Fx the fact that the public voted Finland through to the final in 2015, Armenia in 2011, Bulgaria in 2013 and Macedonia in 2016 are great examples of how dahm important the influence of the juries actually are..
And sure neither the juries or the public are perfect - but we need them both to balance each other out to create an entertaining contest where good music are in focus!
Preach !!!
Agree!
100% with your opinion.
RE: the UK, yeah. That sounds about right. I hope she returns next year with a better song. I personally love the song but clearly it just wasn’t as well loved in Europe. By the way, she’s released a new single called Taking It Over and it is a bop. Go listen to it
What's the logic to keep both jury votes and televote if there are no discrepancies? I am surprised to hear from the juries that in some parts the Vikings were off-key and that's the reason they were placed lower in the rankings. I did like their performance and I voted for them as well.
Bulgaria placing 14th? Ouh, God, that hurts! 😪 But I cannot pick a song and place it behind our place.
As for Portugal, I don't get how Europe voted for Salvador and disregarded this beautiful song with a nice meaning. Portugals must be proud this year, it was a winning performance. I voted for Portugal as well.
I just saw the first semifinal with a guest one more time and I have to say, there is one blockbuster performance after another. Austria would have done way more better with the televotes in the grand final if Mr. Boerkman didn't had killed the performance with the running order just as last year Nathan Trent. In the semifinal the televoters gave one point more than the juries did (116 to 115) due to the more favourable running order. The point gap in the grand final can only be explained by the influence of the running order on televoters, which doesn't play any role with the juries. I don't think the final outcome would have been different, but the gap wouldn't be as big.
Agree with you! :)
You should do a video, of who you think should have been higher.
Estonia
Moldova
Etc.
The juries have a purpose. I think it's better to have both because the worst impulses of each are balanced out. You could kinda see the quality of songs overall slowly going further and further down from 1996 (last year of just juries) to 1999 (first year of all televote) and then spiraling more and more until 2008, one of the worst years I can think of. Then juries came back in, and it started to even out a bit.
SuperJNG18 Exactly! 👏
The jury is not bad thing. But it seems that jury have its own agenda. Forgetting specific contries and pushing a specific group of countries. Its like televoting and their popish souless songs... both are not fair...