Isn’t anyone going to recognize the glorious attention to detail? Such as Chekov and Sulu switching places and positions as the shots change. This is a perfect TAS recreation.
Is this video to alert us to what 2024's "Most Overused Claim of Logical Fallacy" will be, coming on the heels of 2023's "No True Scotsman," 2022's "Strawman," and 2021's "Moving the Goalposts"? I'm just trying to figure out how it is that people who prefer to argue their point by regurgitating "fallacious accusation of the year," rather than - IDK - have a normal human conversation, manage to coordinate their overuse of the same claims of logical fallacies.
I'm not familiar with the canon, but interesting. IRL history I think empires that claimed infallibility we're inherently delusional and reactionary to anything that questioned their omniscience. Like an insecure person lashing out at someone who (happens) to contradict one of their support pillars. I honestly didn't know Star Trek had alt-timelines etc before Next Generation. Pretty ahead of the (mainstream) times for them there dang ol 70s.@@madnessbydesign1415
This technique of using technobable, so that we're forced to ignore the details of what's being said and instead focus on the form of what's being said is brilliant!
That specific method of data gathering is also called cherry-picking or p-hacking, short for probability hacking. This is when you collect data on a wide variety of different possible factors, and then ignore the data collected on any factor that doesn’t provide the results you’re looking for.
Yes, but then again, "Holy shit, someone's shooting at my barn" is a reasonable conclusion as well. Most of the time a hypothesis is created from seeing a trend in the data and THEN further evaluating to determine validity. My problem is when certain facts are pointed out but dismissed out of hand without confirmation or consideration. Especially when there is some political angle. The disease scenario is a good example. When you plot all cases on a map and see clusters around certain geographical features or social gathering places it makes sense to further investigate. But when those social gathering places are where the political figures in charge have influence that investigation is suppressed.
A living thinking person is collecting data all the time (more accurately some do, others not so much). That collected data, or knowledge, is used in thinking, influences thinking, produces certain results from thinking. So any hypothesis produced by thinking is already influence by previously gathered data. Oh oh. Looks like we live in a fallacy, within a fallacy, within a fallacy... Jane, stop this crazy thing.
@@light9999This is why I don't think they will ever succeed in transferring a human consciousness to a computer. The human body is as important to who we are as the brain is. We are so sensitive to our environment.
A hypothesis always follows on from observation. You need to see something in order to ask 'why is that so?'. Are those actual facts or are those opinions that are being dismissed? Are they voiced in good faith or bad? Good evidence is suppressed for various reasons but just as bad is poor hypothesis being pushed because its convenient. Or profitable. I'm getting pseudo-science BS adverts on YT. Because its profitable for YT. Of course the observation is that tthere is a cluster of illness. But as Spock points out, you need to follow good methodology in order to find out why. The answer could be as simple as there being more people living there rather than the shady dumping of toxic waste.
@dougcox835 I agree that the body is as important to human consciousness as the brain is. However it is a logical fallacy to conclude from this that human consciousness will never be transferred to some.k8nd of synthetic "computer" Your observation merely highlights the necessity that a body also be provided to house the transferred consciousness. Now say "Thank You, Mr. Evil Spock", or it's the agony booth for you! 😅
Ironically, there have been some cases where a scenario very similar to this was dismissed as logical fallacy for many years until they realized it was from chemical or nuclear waste. Colonia High School in New Jersey is a recent example and controversially Franklin, IN which was denied to have a correlation but the general public continues to be extremely suspicious since it was all kids from the same school at the same time and there is a hazard waste dump just 5 minutes away. It may be a logical fallacy, but surely one must also include in the analysis, the thoroughness and completeness of the data available.
You're committing the same logical fallacy on a meta level. Given the numerous times that the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy is used, and the resultingly large number of scientifically unsupported conclusions that are reached, it is not surprising that a few of these conclusions would turn out to be true by coincidence. This doesn't prove any value to Texas Sharpshooter fallacy arguments, but the fallacy itself would make it appear to. On the other hand, your argument does show the importance of avoiding another fallacy. I'm not sure what it's official name is, but I have heard the description of "Framing a guilty man". If a prosecutor is caught fabricating evidence, that obviously negates the evidentiary value of the evidence in question as well as proves bad faith on the part of the prosecutor, but it does not actually prove that the accused is innocent. In practice, that point is often irrelevant in courtrooms as the accused are necessarily presumed innocent unless proven otherwise, but we have had cases where fabricated evidence has led to an aquittal of someone who we later found out really was guilty after all. Applying that logic here, we should note that identifying the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy causes us to rightfully dismiss erroneous claims of danger, but does not actually prove safety. We should still be open to subsequent data which validly reaches the same conclusion as something previously erroneously asserted by the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy.
I have usually heard it referred to as the Fallacy Fallacy; i.e. just because an argument was poorly constructed does not invalidate the conclusion reached by the argument. If I argue that the sky is blue because cow + chicken = moon, the sky does not in fact become a different color just because that argument makes no sense.@@jeremykraenzlein5975
@@jeremykraenzlein5975 The problem with the fallacy is that it dismisses real possibilities, even when they are real possibilities, simply because the evidence is unclear. While in the example given in the video, there was no actual connection between the substance in question and the affliction, the appearance of a connection is enough to at least investigate and to perhaps be more cautious where that situation exists. The original data should have been per capita, rather than raw numbers, but that is not really the same fallacy.
In the video, Spock explained that they did follow up with further testing. That's exactly what you should do when this happens; it's not enough to warrant drawing a conclusion, but it _is_ enough to warrant further checking, this time with the hypothesis known beforehand.
Even though this is ultimately parody content meant to educate, the voice work is so well done to the point it almost feels like a real clip from animated TOS.
Under the broader umbrella of 'correlation is not causation'. A good way to be less vulnerable to such a mistake is to ask yourself if any other possible cause exists, and if it does, how you can distinguish between the multiple possible causes. Logically, if you can't distinguish between them you have no way to choose among them. In this case, the disease, perhaps, might have easily spread from a 'patient zero' visiting the recreation facility instead of from the inherent properties of the facility itself.
Nice! In particle physics the multiple comparisons problem also goes by the name of the "look elsewhere effect", since it's often the case that a single dataset is used to search for multiple possible new physics effects simultaneously.
This is similar to the "coincidence theorist fallacy". A fallacy in which there is more than enough solid evidence of something, but the evidence activates an emotional or psychological trigger, resulting in a reflex of dismissing the evidence as a mere coincidence, without even looking at it.
I've no idea how this appeared in my feed, but I'm really glad it did. The point being taught could be the exact failure mode of AI and LLM models in particular. We are right at the point where massive amounts of money is about to be spent, and reorganization of entire workforces is going to start. But the method that builds the capability of an AI model - Backpropogation - is an attempt to invalidate the 'Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy' i.e. the function takes massive amounts of measurements, and attempts to superimpose order on that to reveal relationships. This UA-cam shows that process could be a waste of time. (I realize the chance of a random comment on a random UA-cam being seen by a random person with a focused interest is pretty slim - so yes, this comment is written for any future mass automated trawl of my Social Media by employers or ... The State. Greetings to any actual humans that read this !😃🥰😇)
In that particular case, I wonder if it could also be called the Texas Instruments Sharp Shooter Fallacy? 🤔 Should we subscribe? Spock: That would be *advisable.*
I have to admit that this is totally awesome on so many levels! I certainly ran into this fallacy reviewing some substandard research papers in college. But no one can explain the fallacy or deal with it better than the Evil Spock!
Spock visits Harry and Cyrano in the medical bay. They used one of Spock's taught methods and proved another criminal about to be locked up was to no good. Saved the day and got hurt in the process. It was self interest...the ship would have been destroyed.
Fantastic. Is this also an example of confusing causation with correlation, or is the hypothesis so poorly thought out that correlation doesn't even exist?
2:48 sounds like the alternate Spock. But the rest sounds more like the good Spock we know. Throw in a vulcan neck pinch or an agonizer and this Spock is in character.
Apparently, Mirror Spock has adopted Regular Kirk's suggestion to assume command of the Enterprise from Mirror Kirk. I wonder what Mirror Spock did with Mirror Kirk. Mirror Chekhov is still just a navigator? Didn't he expect to move up in rank with Mirror Kirk out of the way?
Hmm. This seems contrary to Confirmation Bias and the importance of not forming preconceptions before gathering evidence, whether scientific or criminal.
This would have been an impressive series of videos post-story similar to Funimation's other projects in the era such as He-Man and She-Ra. Well done, CHDanhauser.
I love these! Only problem now... I have to actually think and not just absorb the lesson because I'm not sure if what I was told was accurate, or a data manipulation cover up by the empire!!!
In reality they just gather some data, notice a pattern in a tiny part of their data, throw out the rest of the data as irrelevant and write a paper about how their completely random pattern is totally significant, then act all surprised when other scientists can't replicate their results.
Meanwhile in an another Mirror Galaxy FAR FAR AWAY............ Emperor Palpatine to Lord Vader: So my apprentice, how does the technology exchange with the other galaxy commencing? Have we found technology from our new subjects we can utilize yet? Lord Vader: We have my master, the Terran Empire has been quite "generous" with our demands. One such device we have been given access to is called the Agony Booth. I feel it will be quite the motivation for our Stormtroopers and Moffs who feel their goals are above your own, my master. Palpatine: And do you have a demonstration of this technology for us Lord Vader? Lord Vader: Indeed I do master, if you will look upon the holoscreen, you will see we have found our rogue Darth Maul. And as Vader activated the controls, Maul at first seemed mildly irritated and then, as if the Emperor himself launched his force lightning at him, the pain was both intense, and violent. Every neuron in Maul's wrecked body exploded. Only to stop for a brief millisecond as the pain sensors readjusted and more and more Maul seemed to spasm and writhe in agony over and over. Darth Maul: MERCY MY MASTER!! MERCY FROM your enforcer and this wretched machine!! Almost a quivering mound of flesh that barely spoke. Maul's dark eyes, as evil as his Sith soul started rolling upward as if he welcomed the embrace of death with an ecstacy as powerful as the Force itself. Palpatine: Can he hear me? Yes my master replied Vader. I do NOT want him dead said Palpatine. He will live master. Good, said Palpatine. My former apprentice, I see you in agony. An agony you richly deserve after your failure to procure Ezra Bridger!!! Don't worry, I won't let my new apprentice kill you. You have use to me yet. But, only after you have been properly punished for your failure Lord Maul!! Lord Vader? Continue this "Agony" for the time being. But do NOT kill him!! Is that understood Lord Vader?? Lord Vader: Yes my master. And as the transmission ended, Lord Vader contacts his ship and requests for the Imperial Science Officer named Spock.
Whenever the word 'fallacy' is being used, my vision becomes blurred and I can just listen and try to comprehend. When I'm not a logical thinker that much, more of an instinctive person. But I would volunteer that blaming the park for all those issues without further/better research is a nono. For all we know, the park could be built on a chemical waste dump.
I like this one. It feels like it shouldn't be a fallacy, except for failing to do one of two things: 1) Rechecking to see whether the results are consistent or just a statistical anomaly. 2) Forming a strong hypothesis as to what would cause the outcome in question.
It violated logical methodology from the start, therefore every conclusion drawn is inconclusive, suspect or merely random. If you have a vague hypothesis then gathering data only that supports your vague wishes, or gathering specific data that cannot help but support your prediction is a fortune tellers trick. Drawing a bullseye around random information clusters is a typical cheaters trick to fake authority. Both ate common in politics and a well reasoned person should be able to spot this easily. It is....Only Logical.
The only way this works is in forming a new hypothesis to test. If a new well formed approach and subsiquent tests lead to a conclusion that can be replicated, then that conclusion may be a valid conclusion. As far as this, its only worth is to hint at something else to test.
@@wolvenar then the new hypothesis is suspect as the Cat 9 Lives Phenomenon.....falling off the couch clumsy after a leap...standing up looking proud at observers before strutting off. I MEANT TO DO THAT.
@STho205 I find it hilarious that you don't realize that this is the very means that so many major discoveries have been made. It's rarely an "aha" moment but more likely a "that's funny" moment. This goes on to be tested, replicated and ultimately understood.
Much of trial lawyer cases is based on the fallacy of seeing connections only after large amounts of data were gathered for a completely different reason. There are always going to be clusters of rare diseases in certain communities if you look at enough communities and enough rare diseases. Correlation does not necessarily imply causation. Proper analysis of data involves setting up a hypothesis and designing a test with data obtained after the hypothesis was formed, not before.
This is a timely, magnificently done video that peerlessly captures the DELIGHT of logic to light up the truth suddenly; cutting through solidly-held misconceptions like EXCALIBUR; like nothing else. Logic is just distilled reasoning - the best western civilization has that is ALIVE and growing, as reasoning is an organic product and logic is the pusuit of the best reasoning of all. Better yet, Naturalism, not supernaturalism, enshrines reason plus logic, rationality, knowledge and (secular) humanism as it's guiding philosophical principles. I wrote the book on Religious Naturalism, with that title. Because supernaturalism turned out to be entirely wrong, mistaken and more andf more dangerous and fraudulent amoral opportunism, Naturalism is and is the only real, legitimate and true basis for religion, or states of any kind. Thus the first real and just actually true, a naturalist, (not supernaturalist) religion and church can, should and does reasonably exist potentially, the good of which such a religion and church can and will necessarily do and accomplish is the greatest good thing humanity CAN do - waiting to be done for sssooooooo long, ages past - since supernaturalist ideas became credible in the least, imho. Dump all supernaturalism and everything will be all right as fast as can be. ". . . just you wait and see."
The cowboy squinted and chewed some tobaccy. "The folks who made this cartoon are right about the falllacy but saying it has somethin to do with Texas is near the same thing. Sure, it's not a flea on a bull's ass but those fellas found some pattern of rhetoric and after gathering that data put a sign that says 'Texas', that same trick as that bulls-eye. As if some good ol' boy is ever going to waste his time drawing a bunch of circles," explained the cowboy in a slow drawl. He proceeded to spit into the spitoon on the floor. He continued, "Out here we call it 'the modern artist fallacy'.
There are currently 62 uploaded so far. There are ten more complete but not uploaded, and another two dozen or so in the various stages of being written, voiced and animated. Likely the final count will be in excess of 100.
Came for a logical explanation that L H Oswald was not J F K’s assassin, stayed for lesson, found it applied to JFKs subsequent investigation. Too bad TAS didn’t revisit Mirror Mirror, as the revised the Harry Mudd episodes, and The Trouble with Tribbles, it would have been Fascinating.
This is related to what psychiatrists call this “pareidolia” - a symptom of schizophrenia. Apophenia and pareidolia are similar but different. One may be a logical flaw driven by subconscious motivations. The other may be logically flawed, but is driven by noise in perception.
I want to see Alternate Spock take on the political statements from both parties ... lol ... he would be busy showing how screwed up they all are for months!
I mean, 4 times higher average rate within 300 meters, that's can't be a very high number. Are these people stacked on top of each other at this resort near a mine shaft or something?
The lesson is authorized as an "Imperial Indoctrination Directive". Mirror Spock might have adopted Regular Kirk's suggestion to assume command of the Enterprise from Mirror Kirk, but he hasn't yet brought about the end of the Empire as Regular Kirk had hoped. Well, Rome wasn't destroyed in a day. It's gratifying to know anyway that the Empire does provide recreation facilities. All work and no play make a dull Mirror crew.
This seems wrong, as in incomplete. The scientific method starts with making observations and forming a hypothesis based on that information. The issue is the failure to then create and run an experiment (and eventually multiple experiments) capable of falsifying the hypothesis. The problem is stopping at the hypothesis stage, not using observation in order to form a hypothesis. In the "Texas sharpshooter" example. The problem is seeing the bullet holes in the target, and not having the person shoot at a target while being observed to see if they actually are a sharpshooter, or just someone who drew a bullseye over their bullet holes.
Knowing is half the battle. The other half is agony.
The other half is violence…or thats what I always said jokingly after those segments lol
You get an Agonizer! You get an Agonizer! Everyone gets an Agonizer!
In much wisdom, there is much pain.
Isn’t anyone going to recognize the glorious attention to detail? Such as Chekov and Sulu switching places and positions as the shots change. This is a perfect TAS recreation.
I tried to use all of the TAS tropes. Glad you noticed.
Not bad , but not perfect. TAS didn't have Chekov.
@@darrylgonzalez5251But we never saw (until now) Mirror TAS. I doubt the Terran Empire would have much truck with nonhumanoid crew on its ships.
I loved how he doled out the pain after that. Mirror Spock plays no games!
Whereas I appreciate your sentiment, you have made a false statement. I find tridimensional chess to be an excellent game.
@@aquariandawn4750 But how do you fare against your Kirk. Illogical as it may seem, our Spock has trouble with him in this game.
@@gordonherring2055 your Spock is sullied with the milk of human kindness... The Terrans know not of this milk.
@@aquariandawn4750 that milk is probably toxic to the Terrans.
We need more wisdom from the Mirror Universe. Long live the Terran Empire!
I see your lessons in the agonizer have not been wasted.
That would be *bEst.*
The Imperial Indoctrination Directive shall be followed to the letter!
I like how Chekov said "Thank you Mr. Spock," as if he just wanted go back to work.
"Oh darn he's still talking"
Yep...Those shown to be at fault with their epistemology often want the pain to stop sooner rather than later...lol...
Thank you, alternate Spock, for this lesson in logic. Hopefully, the crew will use better judgement in the future.
You are welcome.
I'm not hopeful. The crew already used bad judgement, and they were already in the future as they did so.
Is this video to alert us to what 2024's "Most Overused Claim of Logical Fallacy" will be, coming on the heels of 2023's "No True Scotsman," 2022's "Strawman," and 2021's "Moving the Goalposts"?
I'm just trying to figure out how it is that people who prefer to argue their point by regurgitating "fallacious accusation of the year," rather than - IDK - have a normal human conversation, manage to coordinate their overuse of the same claims of logical fallacies.
They better use better judgement the next time otherwise they may be put in ‘agony booths’ 😢
Because if they don't, he'll feed them to the forge
Evil Spock is the best. It seems like having a discussion anywhere near Evil Spock is an invitation to the Agonizer... :)
It's not about logic, I think.
It's about extinguishing freedom of thought.
@@batbee7427 More like being intolerant of failure. The Mirror Mirror Empire encouraged bold thought and action as long it was successful.
I'm not familiar with the canon, but interesting. IRL history I think empires that claimed infallibility we're inherently delusional and reactionary to anything that questioned their omniscience. Like an insecure person lashing out at someone who (happens) to contradict one of their support pillars. I honestly didn't know Star Trek had alt-timelines etc before Next Generation. Pretty ahead of the (mainstream) times for them there dang ol 70s.@@madnessbydesign1415
This technique of using technobable, so that we're forced to ignore the details of what's being said and instead focus on the form of what's being said is brilliant!
Sulu was lucky to avoid the agony booth himself!
Good thing he isn't in the science division, or else I'm certain he would.
But clearly he suffered already under the crippling logic of mirror spock who punishes all forms of small talk.
That specific method of data gathering is also called cherry-picking or p-hacking, short for probability hacking. This is when you collect data on a wide variety of different possible factors, and then ignore the data collected on any factor that doesn’t provide the results you’re looking for.
Like radiocarbon dating?
Thank you for throwing in the use of the agony booth on the biology department!
Frankly I thought Spock should have used the Agonizer on Sulu for his mistake.
a little more use of the agonizer on people misusing scientific data in our universe seems like it might be a good idea
Yes, but then again, "Holy shit, someone's shooting at my barn" is a reasonable conclusion as well. Most of the time a hypothesis is created from seeing a trend in the data and THEN further evaluating to determine validity. My problem is when certain facts are pointed out but dismissed out of hand without confirmation or consideration. Especially when there is some political angle. The disease scenario is a good example. When you plot all cases on a map and see clusters around certain geographical features or social gathering places it makes sense to further investigate. But when those social gathering places are where the political figures in charge have influence that investigation is suppressed.
A living thinking person is collecting data all the time (more accurately some do, others not so much). That collected data, or knowledge, is used in thinking, influences thinking, produces certain results from thinking. So any hypothesis produced by thinking is already influence by previously gathered data. Oh oh. Looks like we live in a fallacy, within a fallacy, within a fallacy... Jane, stop this crazy thing.
@@light9999This is why I don't think they will ever succeed in transferring a human consciousness to a computer. The human body is as important to who we are as the brain is. We are so sensitive to our environment.
A hypothesis always follows on from observation. You need to see something in order to ask 'why is that so?'.
Are those actual facts or are those opinions that are being dismissed? Are they voiced in good faith or bad? Good evidence is suppressed for various reasons but just as bad is poor hypothesis being pushed because its convenient. Or profitable.
I'm getting pseudo-science BS adverts on YT. Because its profitable for YT.
Of course the observation is that tthere is a cluster of illness. But as Spock points out, you need to follow good methodology in order to find out why. The answer could be as simple as there being more people living there rather than the shady dumping of toxic waste.
So Evil Spock has used a logical means of ignoring a potential criticism of the Empire?
@dougcox835 I agree that the body is as important to human consciousness as the brain is. However it is a logical fallacy to conclude from this that human consciousness will never be transferred to some.k8nd of synthetic "computer" Your observation merely highlights the necessity that a body also be provided to house the transferred consciousness. Now say "Thank You, Mr. Evil Spock", or it's the agony booth for you! 😅
Ironically, there have been some cases where a scenario very similar to this was dismissed as logical fallacy for many years until they realized it was from chemical or nuclear waste. Colonia High School in New Jersey is a recent example and controversially Franklin, IN which was denied to have a correlation but the general public continues to be extremely suspicious since it was all kids from the same school at the same time and there is a hazard waste dump just 5 minutes away. It may be a logical fallacy, but surely one must also include in the analysis, the thoroughness and completeness of the data available.
You're committing the same logical fallacy on a meta level. Given the numerous times that the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy is used, and the resultingly large number of scientifically unsupported conclusions that are reached, it is not surprising that a few of these conclusions would turn out to be true by coincidence. This doesn't prove any value to Texas Sharpshooter fallacy arguments, but the fallacy itself would make it appear to.
On the other hand, your argument does show the importance of avoiding another fallacy. I'm not sure what it's official name is, but I have heard the description of "Framing a guilty man". If a prosecutor is caught fabricating evidence, that obviously negates the evidentiary value of the evidence in question as well as proves bad faith on the part of the prosecutor, but it does not actually prove that the accused is innocent. In practice, that point is often irrelevant in courtrooms as the accused are necessarily presumed innocent unless proven otherwise, but we have had cases where fabricated evidence has led to an aquittal of someone who we later found out really was guilty after all.
Applying that logic here, we should note that identifying the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy causes us to rightfully dismiss erroneous claims of danger, but does not actually prove safety. We should still be open to subsequent data which validly reaches the same conclusion as something previously erroneously asserted by the Texas Sharpshooter fallacy.
I have usually heard it referred to as the Fallacy Fallacy; i.e. just because an argument was poorly constructed does not invalidate the conclusion reached by the argument. If I argue that the sky is blue because cow + chicken = moon, the sky does not in fact become a different color just because that argument makes no sense.@@jeremykraenzlein5975
@@jeremykraenzlein5975 The problem with the fallacy is that it dismisses real possibilities, even when they are real possibilities, simply because the evidence is unclear. While in the example given in the video, there was no actual connection between the substance in question and the affliction, the appearance of a connection is enough to at least investigate and to perhaps be more cautious where that situation exists.
The original data should have been per capita, rather than raw numbers, but that is not really the same fallacy.
In the video, Spock explained that they did follow up with further testing. That's exactly what you should do when this happens; it's not enough to warrant drawing a conclusion, but it _is_ enough to warrant further checking, this time with the hypothesis known beforehand.
@@tobybartels8426 Further testing is wise, however that does not mean potential risks should otherwise be completely ignored in the meanwhile.
I love these “Alternate Spock : the Logical Eavesdropper” videos!👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
There are several more Mirror-Universe Logic Lessons. They are fun to do. Take care!
@@CHDanhauser - subscribed!
Alt Spock correctly determined the lecture on logical fallacies was far more painful to Sulu than the Agonizer
It's Spock with the beard. The mirror universe version awesome.
Thanks!
Personally, I would have demanded Sulu's agonizer for this.
Under normal circumstances you would be correct, but it turns out Sulu enjoys it.
@@aquariandawn4750how is Sulu trained then? By denying him agony? 🤔
@@markvoelker6620 solitary confinement... he is a very social creature.
@@aquariandawn4750 Yesss…
Even though this is ultimately parody content meant to educate, the voice work is so well done to the point it almost feels like a real clip from animated TOS.
This was, without a doubt, the most talkative Logical Thinking video I have seen yet.
There is a longer one. It is the one for Base Rate Neglect.
"Now that we are done with our discussion ........, Mr. Chekov, please report to the agony booth."
Under the broader umbrella of 'correlation is not causation'. A good way to be less vulnerable to such a mistake is to ask yourself if any other possible cause exists, and if it does, how you can distinguish between the multiple possible causes. Logically, if you can't distinguish between them you have no way to choose among them. In this case, the disease, perhaps, might have easily spread from a 'patient zero' visiting the recreation facility instead of from the inherent properties of the facility itself.
That was the best Nimoy vocal approximation I've ever heard. And I've searched UA-cam for them.
Spock: "Please Captain - not in front of the Kilingons." ❤
Nice! In particle physics the multiple comparisons problem also goes by the name of the "look elsewhere effect", since it's often the case that a single dataset is used to search for multiple possible new physics effects simultaneously.
I wanted Spock to ask for Sulu's agonizer! And then ask for Chekov's too for his listening to Sulu.
This is similar to the "coincidence theorist fallacy". A fallacy in which there is more than enough solid evidence of something, but the evidence activates an emotional or psychological trigger, resulting in a reflex of dismissing the evidence as a mere coincidence, without even looking at it.
I used to love watching the animated series as well! Nice shootin’ there Tex!
Spock with a goatee just seems so much cooler, I'm looking forward to seeing more mirror universe logical thinking episodes sometime. 😁
I've no idea how this appeared in my feed, but I'm really glad it did.
The point being taught could be the exact failure mode of AI and LLM models in particular.
We are right at the point where massive amounts of money is about to be spent, and reorganization of entire workforces is going to start.
But the method that builds the capability of an AI model - Backpropogation - is an attempt to invalidate the 'Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy' i.e. the function takes massive amounts of measurements, and attempts to superimpose order on that to reveal relationships.
This UA-cam shows that process could be a waste of time.
(I realize the chance of a random comment on a random UA-cam being seen by a random person with a focused interest is pretty slim - so yes, this comment is written for any future mass automated trawl of my Social Media by employers or ... The State.
Greetings to any actual humans that read this !😃🥰😇)
I'm glad that you stopped by and were intrigued by the video. I hope you subscribe.
In that particular case, I wonder if it could also be called the Texas Instruments Sharp Shooter Fallacy?
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Should we subscribe?
Spock: That would be *advisable.*
I have to admit that this is totally awesome on so many levels! I certainly ran into this fallacy reviewing some substandard research papers in college. But no one can explain the fallacy or deal with it better than the Evil Spock!
The animation is beautiful. ❤
Thank you so much! I try!
This is brilliant...combining two of my favorite (and yes, biased) genres: Animated TOS and Critical Thinking...Keep up the great work...!
Spock visits Harry and Cyrano in the medical bay. They used one of Spock's taught methods and proved another criminal about to be locked up was to no good. Saved the day and got hurt in the process. It was self interest...the ship would have been destroyed.
Spock logically deduced that a goatee would get him more poon.
Brilliantly accomplished. May I suggest improving audio by eliminating any echo or reverb on spoken word recording?
I love this series so much. Its only logical.
Why, thank you!
Nothing like a surprise visit to the agony booth for the biology dept! 😂
Fantastic.
Is this also an example of confusing causation with correlation, or is the hypothesis so poorly thought out that correlation doesn't even exist?
2:48 sounds like the alternate Spock. But the rest sounds more like the good Spock we know. Throw in a vulcan neck pinch or an agonizer and this Spock is in character.
this might be the greatest channel I have found on UA-cam yet.
Mirror Spock has had enough silly!
The "throw something at the wall to see what sticks" fallacy.
This makes an authoritarian, militaristic, empire seem so....logical. I've started work on inventing an agony booth.
A place where people would have to watch reruns of The View…
Indeed!
Apparently, Mirror Spock has adopted Regular Kirk's suggestion to assume command of the Enterprise from Mirror Kirk. I wonder what Mirror Spock did with Mirror Kirk. Mirror Chekhov is still just a navigator? Didn't he expect to move up in rank with Mirror Kirk out of the way?
I love how Spock's beard doesn't match his hair, just like in Mirror, Mirror. Such attention to detail Well done!
Thanks!
"Agony booth". LOL, nice :D
Hmm. This seems contrary to Confirmation Bias and the importance of not forming preconceptions before gathering evidence, whether scientific or criminal.
This would have been an impressive series of videos post-story similar to Funimation's other projects in the era such as He-Man and She-Ra.
Well done, CHDanhauser.
You mean Filmation instead of Funimation.
@@JohnAlbertRigali Right, sorry.
@@TheOneTrueDragonKinghmm maybe time in the agonizer will teach you be more careful with facts….
@@markvoelker6620 For a simple typo? I always thought you Terrans were extreme...
@@TheOneTrueDragonKing 😈
"Forming a hypothesis after data has been collected." Also known as "following the evidence."
Agony Booth? Yes, Agony Booth (formerly known as Twitter).
Don't be too much of a wise ass Spock or you'll be in Picard's Hall of Skulls .... 😂😂😂
Evil cartoon Spock. Holy moly. I’m losing it!!!
I love these! Only problem now... I have to actually think and not just absorb the lesson because I'm not sure if what I was told was accurate, or a data manipulation cover up by the empire!!!
I was expecting Mirror Spock to ask for Sulu's agonizer!
That is how science works.
Collect data
Form a hypothesis that would explain the data
Test the hypothesis
In reality they just gather some data, notice a pattern in a tiny part of their data, throw out the rest of the data as irrelevant and write a paper about how their completely random pattern is totally significant, then act all surprised when other scientists can't replicate their results.
This is a new one on me, Ive never heard of it before...I mean ive seen it in action in 2020, but didn't know it had an actual name.
brilliant, sir, absolutely brilliant!
Thank you! Cheers!
THIS is the reason UA-cam is great.
Why thank you!
2:15 the index finger of reinforcement. No one can argue against that.
Ha, thought at first this was about the Texas Bell Tower Shooter!!!!!
Great video!
Thank you!
Oy. Even mirror Spock eavesdrops on his crewmembers' conversations and corrects their logic. 😛
Logic is the foundation of our civilization.
Meanwhile in an another Mirror Galaxy FAR FAR AWAY............
Emperor Palpatine to Lord Vader: So my apprentice, how does the technology exchange with the other galaxy commencing? Have we found technology from our new subjects we can utilize yet?
Lord Vader: We have my master, the Terran Empire has been quite "generous" with our demands. One such device we have been given access to is called the Agony Booth. I feel it will be quite the motivation for our Stormtroopers and Moffs who feel their goals are above your own, my master.
Palpatine: And do you have a demonstration of this technology for us Lord Vader?
Lord Vader: Indeed I do master, if you will look upon the holoscreen, you will see we have found our rogue Darth Maul. And as Vader activated the controls, Maul at first seemed mildly irritated and then, as if the Emperor himself launched his force lightning at him, the pain was both intense, and violent. Every neuron in Maul's wrecked body exploded. Only to stop for a brief millisecond as the pain sensors readjusted and more and more Maul seemed to spasm and writhe in agony over and over.
Darth Maul: MERCY MY MASTER!! MERCY FROM your enforcer and this wretched machine!! Almost a quivering mound of flesh that barely spoke. Maul's dark eyes, as evil as his Sith soul started rolling upward as if he welcomed the embrace of death with an ecstacy as powerful as the Force itself.
Palpatine: Can he hear me? Yes my master replied Vader. I do NOT want him dead said Palpatine. He will live master. Good, said Palpatine. My former apprentice, I see you in agony. An agony you richly deserve after your failure to procure Ezra Bridger!!! Don't worry, I won't let my new apprentice kill you. You have use to me yet. But, only after you have been properly punished for your failure Lord Maul!! Lord Vader? Continue this "Agony" for the time being. But do NOT kill him!! Is that understood Lord Vader??
Lord Vader: Yes my master. And as the transmission ended, Lord Vader contacts his ship and requests for the Imperial Science Officer named Spock.
Pretty sure this is backing us into worse fallacy.
Evil Spock knows all this because in the mirror universe his mom is a Chilton's Manual and his dad is a Shooters Bible.
Whenever the word 'fallacy' is being used, my vision becomes blurred and I can just listen and try to comprehend.
When I'm not a logical thinker that much, more of an instinctive person.
But I would volunteer that blaming the park for all those issues without further/better research is a nono.
For all we know, the park could be built on a chemical waste dump.
Hello! Are you going to start planning the new episodes of Star Trek Animated Series fan film?
The next full-length episode is scripted and in the process of being storyboarded.
Mr Sulu, I'm afraid you'll need to report to the agony booth for re-education on Empire protocol.
All very logical, but a was really hoping for a good shot of Alternate Uhura.
I like this one. It feels like it shouldn't be a fallacy, except for failing to do one of two things:
1) Rechecking to see whether the results are consistent or just a statistical anomaly.
2) Forming a strong hypothesis as to what would cause the outcome in question.
It violated logical methodology from the start, therefore every conclusion drawn is inconclusive, suspect or merely random.
If you have a vague hypothesis then gathering data only that supports your vague wishes, or gathering specific data that cannot help but support your prediction is a fortune tellers trick.
Drawing a bullseye around random information clusters is a typical cheaters trick to fake authority.
Both ate common in politics and a well reasoned person should be able to spot this easily.
It is....Only Logical.
The only way this works is in forming a new hypothesis to test. If a new well formed approach and subsiquent tests lead to a conclusion that can be replicated, then that conclusion may be a valid conclusion. As far as this, its only worth is to hint at something else to test.
@@wolvenar then the new hypothesis is suspect as the Cat 9 Lives Phenomenon.....falling off the couch clumsy after a leap...standing up looking proud at observers before strutting off.
I MEANT TO DO THAT.
@STho205 I find it hilarious that you don't realize that this is the very means that so many major discoveries have been made. It's rarely an "aha" moment but more likely a "that's funny" moment. This goes on to be tested, replicated and ultimately understood.
@@wolvenar well I'm glad you're happy today.
I meant to do that.
Much of trial lawyer cases is based on the fallacy of seeing connections only after large amounts of data were gathered for a completely different reason. There are always going to be clusters of rare diseases in certain communities if you look at enough communities and enough rare diseases. Correlation does not necessarily imply causation. Proper analysis of data involves setting up a hypothesis and designing a test with data obtained after the hypothesis was formed, not before.
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I will take great care to avoid the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy.
Don't want to burden the agony booths...
Awwww shit! Sulu got a logic beatdown!
This is a timely, magnificently done video that peerlessly captures the DELIGHT of logic to light up the truth suddenly; cutting through solidly-held misconceptions like EXCALIBUR; like nothing else. Logic is just distilled reasoning - the best western civilization has that is ALIVE and growing, as reasoning is an organic product and logic is the pusuit of the best reasoning of all.
Better yet, Naturalism, not supernaturalism, enshrines reason plus logic, rationality, knowledge and (secular) humanism as it's guiding philosophical principles. I wrote the book on Religious Naturalism, with that title. Because supernaturalism turned out to be entirely wrong, mistaken and more andf more dangerous and fraudulent amoral opportunism, Naturalism is and is the only real, legitimate and true basis for religion, or states of any kind. Thus the first real and just actually true, a naturalist, (not supernaturalist) religion and church can, should and does reasonably exist potentially, the good of which such a religion and church can and will necessarily do and accomplish is the greatest good thing humanity CAN do - waiting to be done for sssooooooo long, ages past - since supernaturalist ideas became credible in the least, imho. Dump all supernaturalism and everything will be all right as fast as can be. ". . . just you wait and see."
I don't remember seeing this episode as a kid.
As stated in the video's description, all of these Logic Lessons were created in the last few years by me and did not exist in the 1970s.
Awesome!
Thank you for this.
I'm going to return to my duties now.
Excellent!
Is evil Spock able to discern through logic why he's never invited to any parties?
Nobody likes a smarta**.
This felt personal
Spock, in any other universe, is still Spock!
Indeed!
The agony booth doesn't have jack on the aurora chair.
Please reply if you got the reference.
So what does that say about the entire concept of "data mining" wherein you study existing data to look for things of statistical significance?
Agony booth seems a bit harsh for this one. Must be non stop Taylor Swift music.
Unless it's Christmas. Then it's non-stop Mariah Carey.
@@balrighty3523 Only if it's sung in original Klingon.
Justin Bieber.
The cowboy squinted and chewed some tobaccy. "The folks who made this cartoon are right about the falllacy but saying it has somethin to do with Texas is near the same thing. Sure, it's not a flea on a bull's ass but those fellas found some pattern of rhetoric and after gathering that data put a sign that says 'Texas', that same trick as that bulls-eye. As if some good ol' boy is ever going to waste his time drawing a bunch of circles," explained the cowboy in a slow drawl.
He proceeded to spit into the spitoon on the floor.
He continued, "Out here we call it 'the modern artist fallacy'.
I love these logical fallacies. I just wonder how many there are.
There are currently 62 uploaded so far. There are ten more complete but not uploaded, and another two dozen or so in the various stages of being written, voiced and animated. Likely the final count will be in excess of 100.
@@CHDanhauser 100+ logical fallacies! Are we really that faulty as humans?
Came for a logical explanation that L H Oswald was not J F K’s assassin, stayed for lesson, found it applied to JFKs subsequent investigation. Too bad TAS didn’t revisit Mirror Mirror, as the revised the Harry Mudd episodes, and The Trouble with Tribbles, it would have been Fascinating.
Explain the logic of the agony booth please. Asking for a friend.
nice to know chekov and sulu lifetime friends irl
What this world needs are more Agony Chambers.
Sulu got his department screw-lu'd.
I hope that you're OK after suffering that stroke during the typing of the end of your sentence.
This is related to what psychiatrists call this “pareidolia” - a symptom of schizophrenia. Apophenia and pareidolia are similar but different.
One may be a logical flaw driven by subconscious motivations. The other may be logically flawed, but is driven by noise in perception.
My emotions don't care about your logic. And my feelings don't care about your facts, either come to think of it.
I want to see Alternate Spock take on the political statements from both parties ... lol ... he would be busy showing how screwed up they all are for months!
I mean, 4 times higher average rate within 300 meters, that's can't be a very high number. Are these people stacked on top of each other at this resort near a mine shaft or something?
The lesson is authorized as an "Imperial Indoctrination Directive". Mirror Spock might have adopted Regular Kirk's suggestion to assume command of the Enterprise from Mirror Kirk, but he hasn't yet brought about the end of the Empire as Regular Kirk had hoped. Well, Rome wasn't destroyed in a day. It's gratifying to know anyway that the Empire does provide recreation facilities. All work and no play make a dull Mirror crew.
It also may be that this vignette was from a time before the two universes crossed over.
@@CHDanhauser I don't know. Mirror Kirk should still be in charge then.
This is better than Schoolhouse Rock.
Good one! Thanks! :)
You are very welcome!
This seems wrong, as in incomplete. The scientific method starts with making observations and forming a hypothesis based on that information. The issue is the failure to then create and run an experiment (and eventually multiple experiments) capable of falsifying the hypothesis. The problem is stopping at the hypothesis stage, not using observation in order to form a hypothesis.
In the "Texas sharpshooter" example. The problem is seeing the bullet holes in the target, and not having the person shoot at a target while being observed to see if they actually are a sharpshooter, or just someone who drew a bullseye over their bullet holes.