Don’t Fall For This Online Vinyl Scam!
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This is more prevalent than I thought! I experienced 90% of the exact scenario. Even contacted PayPal - couldn’t figure the disconnect. Fortunately I never sent the money, and even cancelled the order. If it doesn’t feel right, don’t do it. Dillon is spot on - F&F is like giving money to a stranger. Don’t do it!
Yes! Thanks for watching! 🙏
Absolutely. No legit sales are going to ask for that. It's even in the name of the feature. If they ain't and F&F don't risk it. Its easy to negotiate the etc.. fee lol.
Sorry this happened to you, and as a Ukrainian, when I saw the screenshot I just laughed. I can 100% assure you no ukrainian ever has been named Beatrice, there's no way. Also PayPal wasn't even working fully in Ukraine until this April I guess, so it's highly unlikely any real seller would be happy to use it. It's slightly irritating that these scammers use my country name though
No swede has been named Muhammed or Abdullah or Dimitri either but still there are a fucking lot of people with those names living here, so that argument don't really hold up...
@@hellion9547 well, these names you mentioned are way more common here. It’s quite uncommon for a “Beatrice” to settle in Ukraine, let alone sell records, she has to be a unicorn of sorts. Or there’s a simpler explanation: there never was anyone other than a scammer using Ukraine as some buzzword I dunno
@@hellion9547 Either way, I would not send money to a "Beatrice" from Ukraine or a "Muhammed" from Sweden.
@@thomaskwiatkowskiesq.328
Why?
Are you of aramaic or greek descent?
Do you live in upper galilei?
If not your first name is quite displaced too ...
Not to mention your last name. ;-)
They also tried to get me scammed some days ago and the paypal account was from Beatrice Madede
Never underestimate the power of other people to invent new ways to steal your money. So sad and frustrating.
Yep! Thanks for watching! 🙏
I've always hated vinyl records, even when I was a kid, that is why I tried to make a tape recorder in the fourth grade, I didn't succeed obviously, but at least I tried! The ticks, and pops, plus surface noise, and the eccentricity of vinyl records drove me (when I had enough money), to purchase a used teak A1500U, reel-to-reel tape recorder, but I could easily still hear the difference between "source and tape", the dreaded tape hiss. In 1978 as an engineering consultant for the "Great American Sound Co., I traveled to Japan to visit GAS dealers and the Tokyo Electronics Show. In the Sony booth at that show, I saw for the first time, a model PCM-1, 12-bit digital processor playing music from the video track displaying thousands of black and white, undulating bits on the monitor, from the same SL-8200 Beta max VCR I had at home, I had to own one of these! In 1983 I attended an AES meeting featuring Marshall Buck who was presenting his new "coaxial two-way" loudspeaker he had designed for Cerwin-Vega! In his demonstration he was utilizing a "vocal-only" recording of a female singer that sounded fantastic with an incredible "dynamic range" and no background hiss. Immediately after Marshall's demonstration, I walked up and asked him what equipment was playing back his recording of this singer? He pointed to this diminutive silver box, and said I'm using a Sony PCM-F1, 16-bit Digital Audio Processor and a VCR. I said how much for the PCM-F1. He said $1,500.00, and I said sold! I built a portable recording rig that included the PCM-F1 and other custom-made equipment that I utilized for various musical performance recordings made on location and I won an Emmy for an outdoor performance of the opera Faust! I've been a digital advocate ever since, if you wish to learn more about my current endeavors, search UA-cam with the following: "JBL SYNTHESIS CREATOR", and ALSO: "HOWTOHOMELIFE". If you have questions, feel-free to call me @ 818-314-7275 Pacific time. David Riddle
It’s kind of sickening the way scammers would infiltrate a small (in the grand scheme of things) community like the VC and prey on people in this way. For most it is a hobby, and for most record dealers it’s a hobby and a vocation, so what gets into people’s heads to target something like this? Human nature, eh. I despair sometimes!
What’s even more sickening is that this hacker is taking advantage of an ongoing war to make a dime. There truly isn’t any low that people won’t stoop to
One word " money "
If someone asks me to use F&F, I offer to pay the fee and use G&S. If they still say no, I walk away. Its 3 friggin percent! If you're buying a hundred dollar record, offer $103. If they balk, they are probably scammers
I had a good experience recently with a Friends and Family request, but in the future, if I want to make any. . . atypical purchases, I'll insist on the Goods and Services option, offering to pay the difference.
It's a lot more in some countries. My friend in Brazil was getting reamed with something like 8%. Still, a few percent for peace of mind is worth it!
its crazy, i have not experienced this, but i will say, i sell a lot on discogs, and when i am listing new items and pricing for the shop i sell at, i have noticed a lot of listings that state the location as Ukraine, which struck me as odd, because before the war in Ukraine, i almost never saw listings for items where Ukraine was the country the seller was from. It for sure felt to me when i stated noticing this that some sort of larger scam was going on.
Yeah, those arse-wipe scammers trying to prey on the public's sympathy for Ukraine right now!
They were pulling the same shit during all the Covid lockdowns; using Covid as a reason for their scams...looking for the sympathy vote, or trying to scare people into parting with their cash.... >: (
Same old story; they're constantly looking for new ways to rip-us-all-off!
I sold a couple to Ukraine in 2019/2020 (and Russia) , would not expect as such to buy other than from the odd store there now .
I'm very glad I heard this revealing video lecture. Thank you very much, Dylan. Thumbs up. Now there are scams with vinyl, too. Isn't it logical for a large, reputable web site dealing with selling records not to be aware of these clever, indecent scammers? Anyhow, you have done well to inform us of deception, and scams that are in the record industry.🔉🎵🎶
Important video! Exactly what you described happened to my Discogs account... had 600positive seller feedback, got hacked 2 days ago, scammer changed the email address, password, account name, so locked me out totally and started to upload 4-500$ rarities to the marketplace saying shipping from Ukraine. Its seller profile has been suspended quite soon, but I am still waiting for Discogs reply if I can get back my account somehow someday...
Always trust your gut instincts, especially nowadays. I only trust my local store, Biscuits & VInyl. Even though its a drive, I know I'm getting excellent quality and a fair price. Plus his dog is awesome.
Pretty sad world.... to scam someone out of a few dollars....
Wow, great video, thanks for the information! I didn't know about the friends and family option in PayPal so I could have easily fallen for this scam, thanks man! 🙏
Great advice! I almost got scammed for $1800 on a camera lens. Guy would only accept friends and family. Red flag, I backed out. Sadly others didn't from the FB groupI am part of. They got scammed...costly mistake and hard lesson learned.
Similar to me on a FB group. I did get scammed but luckily I didn’t send more. Even if they do say they sent it. Then they’ll hit you for more
Money for some “problem”
That occurs along the way
The problem im running into with older vinyl is getting a bootleg copy. The jackets feel thinner.
They hacked an Italian too - apparently someone in Brazil.
I've bought a bunch from Poland with really good luck. The seller reviews on discogs appeared legit otherwise I wouldn't have bought.
Friends and family?? Never heard of it. 😊 🙏
I don’t really agree with the people saying that certain countries shouldn’t be bought from. I think it all has to do with the seller. I’ve bought from sellers in the US the UK all over Europe all over and personally have never had a bad experience apart from one seller in the US
Good to know. Thank you.
so many scams these days......
just make sure your heart doesn"t overrule your head !
Ok. I am sick of sellers that post a LP for sale at a higher grade then what it is, just to make a sale. This is how they do this..... if it is a LP that there is several sellers posting at NM or VG+, they post theirs at a lower price. You think it is a better deal, they send it but you get a VG or even less. You let them know so they come back with a partial refund, that makes it a more correct price. But if you take it, the just sold you a LP you did not order and screwed the rest of the sellers out of a legit deal. They just sold you a LP that otherwise would just sit in their inventory........ If you did not figure it out, you leave a good feedback thinking that it was all in the up & up....... Not all sellers are that way, but I know this goes on and I have almost completely stopped buying on Discogs because of the BS like this......
First rule of buying online records. NEVER PAY F&F. Unfortunately I have had to tell way too many ppl this.
Thanks for the heads up. That Weed album is awesome! It's Ken Hensley of Uriah Heep. I have a reissue of it.
I’ve been scammed out of New York as well… there are animals everywhere…
I lost 350 bucks because of the same story. Ukrain seller from
Kiev. A well known record store with best ratings so i send the money with PP F&F, because even from germany i couldn't send him money the normal paypal-way. I bought the Rob Zombie Vinyl-Box but of course never gettin anything. A week later i get a discogs-message from the real account-owner, that he was hacked.. damn, that hurts.
THEY SAYING HAS ALWAYS BEEN
"IF IT'S TO GOOD TO BE TRUE IT PROBABLY IS"
damn, not only scamming but ruining that discogs seller's good reviews.
Always follow your gut feeling.
Thats how a successful scam works. Offer irresistable items and desire overides sense. How many red flags does it take?
Thanks for the warning. I almost fell for a online deal on buying a new technics turntable for about a tenth of what it normally lists for. The first clue I got was several laugh emojis on the website. When I did further research I saw that it was a scam. It reminds me of the old saying "when something sounds too good to be true it usually is".
This is off subject but it looks like you collect similar records as I. I went to Portland, Oregon for about a week at the end of May mostly there for a family purpose. My thought was that Portland would be great place to find psych and prog albums. Portland certainly has a ton of record stores. I probably went to close to 10 stores plus a few in neighboring communities and found one decent prog record which was not really something on my list. All of the stores had a ton and great variety of new pressings but the used inventory was pretty pedestrian. I see more high end record in the few stores we have in Tucson. A disappointment at best. Do you find many higher end pieces where you are located? Bruce Smith/Cassidy Collectibles
There is nothing I must have so badly to take chances with my money.
I have been hearing a lot of people getting ripped off on my Facebook audio groups and other groups for car parts and motorcycle parts. Goods and services only. I was trying to sell a motorcycle and I had about four people trying to pay me through zelle and I just absolutely did not trust it.
PO BOX scam... There's a scam where they buy the record, by signing up with a UK name and address, then request you to send it to a PO BOX in Australia. Once delivered they say it was never delivered to the registered address & get PayPal or the CC charges reversed & keep the records.
Keep up the PSA's 👍
Seriously!!! It's hard enough getting releases here in Australia without
A$$holes giving vinyl collectors down here a bad name, I'd recommend stipulating signature on receipt our postal service is very good.
@@jahfehkah EVERY PO Box can have the correct address of the lessor of that Box requested from the postal service. The Box is a handy means for the owner of the box to collect - or get delivered - mail when they might be out and for no other purpose.
Great info. And what a relief too. I thought this was going to be about those stupid 3" mini records. :))
Hahahaha
Watch out for Steve Hoffman forums. It’s a bunch of old goats who discriminate against others for sharing their opinions on record sound quality. I got banned for posting this:
This seems kind of outlandish and discriminatory to me. My gear isn’t the best, and I’m not planning on listing it to avoid any potential ridicule. Aside from that, it’s kind of my own business.
I don’t think sharing your opinion is the same as scamming someone, which is what we’re treating it like here. If we’re saying that someone can intuit someone else’s opinion by reviewing their gear, then they should be held to the same standard - if someone’s gear is not listed, think twice before buying based on that opinion. Duh?
Stop making your problems mine.
Thanks for sharing.
I’ve seen a couple of grail sneakers on eBay for a steal but the seller was in Russia. That was a big red flag.
i have question for you. do you remember the record sets( like 10albums) of big band, Christmas, Hawaiian music etc are worth?
That’s completely nuts!
Oh well you have to buy records at at record a record store which are not around anymore I will never buy a record on line because it sucks
Thanks for the heads up..
Close call! Glad you didnt click the send miney icon. If its too good to be true....
Even if you do know the person I hate sellers demanding friends and family. The transaction is not a gift its a business transaction and even though it costs money payment should always be sent business so that both buyer and seller have protections. That is why it costs money.
kudos for sharing this
Sadly happend to me... 170 dollars 💸.
Paypal won't help you and they don't take action...
The most unfortunate thing about this apart from people losing their money is that this person is profiting by using Ukraine as a scapegoat, a country suffering a major war crisis and they thought "hey, lets make some money scamming record collectors!" Lame in every way.
what happens when you reverse image search the images from the discogs listing? if it is that rare, there probably isn't a ton of images online of it for the scammer to use
Fheew close call. I have to pay separate my payments on Ebay PayPal because of uk c currency and china but been working ok
Three weeks ago i stumbled over an Discogs-seller located at "neutral zone" in eastern ukraine.
I wondered how the postal service would work there ...
Ukrainian sellers never use Neutral Zone as location. Could be occupied region, yes, but not Ukraine.
@@grigrory88 So you do know each and every Ukrainian?
Respect
Thanks for the warning...I'll cruise locally :is thrift stores / goodwill ect..
👍
Same type of scam is happening with guitars as well
Thanks for the warning. Subscribing just got that!
Time for you Noble , or not , to listen not only to lps records but to start listening to the Scottish owl, that's certainly not a crow, behind his blue gaze ASAP, for that other scam is over mi boy., bearded or not. You better believe it!...Shema!!!
Huh?
Really hope that I didn't already fall into the scam have 2 proper records and single of Pac-Man fever on it's way I hate hearing about this shit thanks for the tip though
When I'm on Discogs, I select United States shipping only because I got burned by overseas people before - it took way too long to ship the inferior version of what I'd ordered. I used to rely on "more images" on Discogs, but no matter what version of a particular LP I was looking at, it had the same photos in "more images". I'm sorry for what you went through with this Ukraine thing, but hopefully your viewers can learn from this.
On discogs that should not happen, always raise a comment on the edit release page to ask to verify, though bear in mind some discs will have same details where there is a SLEEVE variation - read the record notes. Plenty of world wide sellers will sell to the US, just bear in mind it takes 15days to three months to arrive and will cost min USD18 probably , more likely USD40 for one LP, but its not a lot extra for two or three LPs in one bundle - depending on bundle value. I have had discs arrive within a week or so, others seem to want to go for a swim through the great lakes before arriving.
Yeah I would've backed out the second they tried to tell me to send money elsewhere. Like even if it was actually someone in Ukraine I'd tell them they have more pressing matters to worry about right now than selling and shipping out records lol.
Wouldn't want my package getting shot down or some shit trying to leave the country lol
Good to know 🐱 thanks
Thanks for the warning, there are some records I'm looking for, who are actually located in Ukrain, never saw that so often before, so I didn't jump in the train yet...
My email got hacked allowing them to hack my ebay account by changing password. Now my account is restricted until I refund 2 people who bought the same camera (not listed by me)for $4000 and $5000! Ebay customer service in broken English said because listed from my device I'm responsible! Been on ebay 23 years and never tried to scam. So frustrating because I'm disabled and now not making extra money.
If ONLY Americans knew just a little more about this world in the first place. Lol.
its literally called friends and family. your bad for coveting a piece of plastic.
Great recording. Vinyl sucks. Just buy the download.
Nope, never use the friends and family option for a business transaction. That's always a big red flag. Good for you for figuring it out before you got scammed and telling collectors about it.
I'm a totally legit seller on FB marketplace. I refuse to use ebay after several legal issues with them. basically they accused me as a seller of owing them taxes for sales that got canceled, and the ebay seller UI from 1998 was impossible to navigate on purpose.
PayPal is owned by ebay, I will accept it, but I prefer Venmo, which is just as safe, but people get nervous because they dont do their homework.
I think more VC members should call out these scams when they come across them. Thank you Dillon for doing this!!
Any time!
By strange coincidence, I bought a reissue of that record just last week through discogs thanks to your recommendation. Even that is tough to find shipping from the US. Glad you weren't scammed and thanks for the recommendation!
And just to clarify. PayPal transactions to regular Ukrainian accounts on discogs work fine. I just bought vinyl from a legit Kiev record store and the transaction went fine. Ukrainian post works.
I hate to sound like I’m discriminating, but for some reason I never have and just don’t feel comfortable buying from certain countries even under the normal discogs protocols. I stick to the US, UK, Germany, Netherlands, France and Japan mostly. I might be missing out but when it says Russia, China etc, I usually just pass.
thanks for the heads up. love your videos
Why would you hate to sound discriminating?!
China can be alright.
@@arthurpug because I’d hate to think I’m just being ignorant and over paranoid because of old stereotypes …
hmmm, France? I bought a couple of records from a French Discogs seller. They had been in my cart for quite a long time and at some point the seller had added a comment in their description that shipping rates may be more than what she had specified in her account. After the transaction was completed, she hit me up for another 10 Euro
Ever since covid, I haven't bought from international sellers - besides things getting dicey like this video says, even if it was legit, shipping to the US has gotten ridiculous! Like triple the price of what it used to be before covid.
The cost of postage to Canada has been outrageous for a decade.
There is an international price fixing group called the Universal Postal Union and it sets the price that postal companies have to compensate each other for 'last mile' delivery (physical delivery to your door), which is the most expensive part.
The price for at least the last couple decades has been absurdly low for shipping into the US which gives foreign companies an advantage over domestic companies as the usps (and others) loses money on every international delivery it completes and needs to make up those losses by raising prices on domestic shipping which the UPU doesn't control. Which is why shipping cost more from New York City to Boston than Beijing to Boston.
During covid the cost of getting the goods to the 'last mile' shipping company has gone up significantly due to the supply chain being overloaded as shipping ports are at capacity and trucking labor and gas prices have raised considerably.
I have bought records through Discogs for years from a few different countries and never had a problem. I check the buyer’s feedback and if they have a PayPal account, PayPal is the only way I will pay, any hint of trouble with the payment I can it, no matter how badly I want the record. I may have been lucky, you just have to be careful, I dare say there are scammers in every country,
*I’d never consider buying from a country that’s an active war zone. That’s a gamble.*
You've been in the game at a high level for quite some time so ALWAYS trust your gut man! It's knows!!! lol. Glad you caught it.
Hey Dylan, all the best from New Zealand, always enjoy your channel. Great info and sorry to hear about the amount of people getting scammed. I often look at those Discogs sellers claiming to be from Ukraine, Russia, China etc, they always seem to have the most sought after vinyl, mint or near mint, far cheaper than anyone else, first Japanese pressings always with the obi, rare Mofi and Classic Records pressings etc, they always appear to have great feedback, and I think to myself, if it looks too good to be true it probably is. It’s a real shame for the legitimate sellers from these countries, as I’ve no doubt it makes buyers wary and they lose business because of it.
If you use "Friends & Family" and have the funds come from your credit card, you can still dispute the charge with the credit card company. Credit Cards don't care if it's F&F....it's only if you get the merchandise or not!
Paypal might suspend your account if you do this.
@@genuinescorruption nope...and if they did...who cares?
This totally happened to me a few weeks ago. Wanted that Pumpkins "Aeroplane Flies High" Boxset. I'm still trying to get my money back through Paypal. If it seems too good to be true, It most likely IS TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE! Thanks for helping spread the word Dillon.
Crazy how often your instincts are right about this kind of stuff. Once almost bought fake tix to a rugby match, but as soon as I touched them I knew they were phony.
Gotta trust your gut!
Wow - I found some clips of that record, that is truly face melting stuff. I hope you get a chance to score a legit copy soon!
I hope so!
Just stumbled across this video. It’s amazing how in depth and creative scammers can get. Why can’t they apply this level of thought and creativity into something positive?
The same kind of PayPal-scam happened to me when i was about to buy a Sennheiser MD-441 Microphone.
Have lost 285€ that way ;(
what i`m seeing a few do of late is placing an order for a stack of records and already paying for it as a joblot. Then after the transaction they are asking for another one to be added to the parcel . Normally they have picked some cheap dollar 2 dollar record with the hope that the seller will throw it in for free Instead of mucking about deleting postage on the new wanted record and being added to the existing parcel
I was expecting it would be about european grey market labels,can you do a video on that,and are those bootlegs,countefits,or grey markets?
Online buying scam?
I thought that was seeing VG+ plays excellent in the description 🤣
Great video Dillon. Thanks for the heads up.
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Awful experience. Careful out there everyone! I need to check that LP now as I've not heard before... Krautrock - a cool start!
The biggest scam on ebay has to be their 100% money back guarantee to buyers who claim 'Item not as described'..Scamming buyers just return a different item to the seller as the one that was sent...As soon as the scammed seller signs for it,bingo money back for the thieving buyer and keeps the sellers item...
I’ve never paid via F&F and I don’t know why this option even exists. If I have to pay a friend or family money owed, I literally hand them the cash.
I would never send through PayPal friends and family. For anything not just discogs
Oh good, I collect vinyl from the USSR, and was faced with a similar situation. The record was very pricey, and the seller also gave me the 'friends and family' payment option. But it's a common scamming tactic, so I declined the offer. Has this been reported to Discgos?
I Would Never Buy & Album Online 😐😐
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This isn't the same, but I wanted Faith No More AngelDust on vinyl. Found a special edition with extra 7 inch (I think, maybe it was a 12 inch too) on Amazon. Waaayyy cheaper than anywhere else (about 45 euro). Paid for it. Got a message from Amazon, no tracking available. There and then I presumed I'd never see this album. Never got it. Got a refund. Does this seem fishy to any of you? Seems to me like a scam, "send it" no tracking (keep for yourself) and I get a refund, you get a free vinyl. Could be done within the company by a worker. Or even anyone working in any post office/package handling "oh no tracking, you're coming with me". Cannot understand why there would be no tracking on a vinyl that cost me 55 euro including postage
"Trust your gut." Or in other words, based on how these things lean toward urgency and building excitement for something that promises to be really special, DON'T trust your gut. Think it through! If you get ANY whiff of incongruity, rethink it. Dillon can trust HIS gut because he knows what's up. A lot of the rest of us need to go a little deeper to avoid problems. Thanks Noble Records.
Ukraine? Uh.... have you watched the news recently? Don't suppose you've received any letters from Nigerian princes, have you? 🤨
Heh, I have seen today someone selling a record for 39USD and shipping for 3032USD. :))) so pay attention when you hit the buy button, guys!
Ive only ever payed by PayPal using friends and family twice but i knew the guy personally. Dont think I'd use for someone i didn't actually know.
Ohhh my gosh sounds like what happened to me! Tried to use gift card wouldnt accept! & I used my reg credit card n it went thru- But how u know a real to fake music promo CD ?
IF you want to send money to Ukraine, contact The Big Guy on Pennsylvania Ave, Washington, DC. He gets 10%. #scam
someone just got me about a week and a half ago, the error message on discogs was different, instead it said "There was a problem processing your order. The transaction could not be completed. If this problem persists, please contact PayPal support." and welp I sent the money to their paypal address, F&F cause I wasn't thinking about it, and still haven't heard from them and they suddenly don't have any items listed for sale. I'm only out like $26 but hey, just like you said, if it looks too good to be true, it probably is.
Hi buddy good thinking! Did ya see the new b m g scam out there also ! There advertising grails for lottery half price! Buyer beware!
Similar scams for vacuum tubes right now with people freaked out about Russian vacuum tube shortages looking for matched quads and pairs seeing some silly high prices domestically even from a favorite tube amp hifi UA-camr. Sigh. Gouging is gouging, there is no tube shortage. The domestic gouging is leading to what looks like really good deals on the internet, but they’re just scammers. be careful out there, the market is bonkers on so many things. If it looks to good to be true….
When people start asking me for a "like" to the video before even seeing the video I always give "deslike". It is just so rude to ask for something in return before the video even starts.