IF you looked at all my uploads you'd be busy until next Friday night!!! lol I'm pleased you enjoy them...ps-take notes.....i'll be asking questions later!!! lol.....
I remember going to London Road depot in the 1980's on a 1938 stock tour , the train went into the depot then all doors were open so we could take photos ! I don't think they would do that today .
I'm sure they wouldn't!!! I was also on that tour, it used the 'Starlight' Express' set, the one that was repainted in the old livery with gold LT fleetnames & car numbers which was sponsered by the musical of the same name.
It should be called..."Its a Rats life"...all those dark tunnels lol....fascinating video...seems quite obvious after a while the signals...when you learn mainline...its a good teacher for underground....love to do this job.
On the Bakerloo you do have to learn main line as well as Underground signalling. The line north of Queens Park is National Rail and their signalling & rules apply (as do District drivers with regard to Richmond and Wimbledon). The tube drivers as opposed to sub surface drivers are known as tunnel rats, it's very hot down there in winter and awealtering in summer plus all the tunnel dust you breathe in and that covers all surfaces plus all the wind from the movement of the trains, it's not the nicest place to work (although the pay these days is a lot better than it used to be!).
It doesn't give an idea of the dirt, tunnel dust and if on an older deep tube line the extreme heat especially in summer. But, yes it certainly gives you a flavour of life as a 'tunnel rat' !!!
No it's not. The platform layout is wrong at Waterloo and the entranceto the tunnels at London road is different and the siding at Harrow and wealstone has its third rail on the wrong side. The camera screen thing at harlsden SB clips through the train. TSW2 is plagued with inaccuracies
Termination of a speed restriction. On BR/Network Rail lines you may resume line speed when the rear of your train reaches the T board. On LUL the train lengths are standard for each line so the T board is placed for the driver to see it when the rear of the train is at the end of a speed restriction.
Yes, the MkII's ended at unit xx63. One set xx99 is a mix and match after a MkII had an accident at London Road Depot and several cars were written off. To make up a complete train again they used cars of MkI stock. Plus about 3 complete 7 car trains of MkI stock, OPO converted and re-numbered.
No, that was the shunt tunnel, approx 4 cars long. Stock could be swapped between sets at night, perhaps to get a defective north end unit coupled to a defective south end unit so they could be diagrammed on a working that ended up at Stonebridge Park Depot, for repair.
Interesting footage, thanks for uploading. Imo london road repot looks more like a large set of sidings than an actual depot and its configuration is fairly unusual with only a single track connection to the main line. Out of curiosity is it possible to see trains entering/leaving the track that connects to the depot from the platform of lambeth north station?
You can't see much at Lambeth North due to a curve in the tunnel but you can hear them on the cross-overs. It was the original depot for the line when new, on the right hand side on entering what is now sidings was an actual depot building, scars can be seen on the walls where the main shed and smaller buildings had been..... Neasden took over the main depot role when the line was extended to Stanmore in the 1930s, and Stonebridge Park took over when the Stanmore branch became the Jubilee Line.....
Ahh my old Depot shunters cabin on the right it must have been 1990 I had no movement Baker Street Southbound I was pushed out by the train behind. Old seriphin was the driver behind pushing I was braking from my train. Area manager in attendance Mick Knight good bloke when we arrived at London Underground in what was in effect a 14 car train they couldn’t split the two and the best tradition of Bakerloo line Mick knight and I left them to it. LOL
@@leonardssenkindu5802 Yes, same again just a headshunt. If the depot handn't been so close to the side of Hampstead Heath it would have saved the cost of tunneling!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Oh that's cool, I thought it was just a dead-end overrun. I heard that it was meant to be double-track all the way from the depot to the mainline, but that they had to curtail tunnelling efforts when they discovered there was a plague pit in the area! I can't remember where I got that information from, though...
I don't know for sure but i'm guessing it was as a sourse of spares? Or kept in case of any more accidents writing off some more MkII's so having replacement cars?......
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus it wasn't the closeness that surprised me, but the speed at which he approached the buffer, before slowing down at the last second. It seemed like he wasn't going to stop at all...
@@batlin I have driven trains into London Road in the distant past, you have climbed uphill to get into the depot and want to keep the train just rolling along, you don't really want to apply power getting close to the buffers. So you have to have enough oomp to be sure of rolling right up and braking at the last moment. It doesn't feel so bad when you are actually doing it in a train.
That's a clip i use at the end of my uploads to put the end cards over. The actual vid with this shot in it is here ua-cam.com/video/fsGT0ta30Rc/v-deo.html if you would like to see more 38's in action!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus a few ex Northern line 1972mk1 trains have been converted to driver only operation and combined with some mk2s as one train. The mk1s make up half of the train combination either 3 or four car half of the train.
@@oludotunjohnshowemimo434 Yes, i know some are on the Bakerloo, one unit to replace the one damaged in an accident coming into London Road plus a few for service uplift....
It was the main Bakerloo Line depot when the line opened. There is an entrance in London Road itself although any large spare parts had to come in by train. Once the Bakerloo was extended to Stanmore, Neasden Depot took over the heavy maintainance and London Road only did light, running repairs.
@@forza223bowe5 No, it is later than that. The 72's have all been refurb'd and in the section i uploaded going to Harrow (here-ua-cam.com/video/6947KDKsx-c/v-deo.html) you can see Silverlink Metro 313's at work on the DC Lines. So late 1990s or early 2000s!
After withdrawl from the Northern Line several sets of 72 MkI stock were stored around the system in case of departmental use, spare cars for the MkII fleet or just stripped for spare parts. I asume this is the case here.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I agree. Here in Kansas, transportation is by horse and buggy. We're slowly moving up to local rail. Once we land a person on the Sun, we'll have complete rail. I happen to reside in a very large metro area.
Working on the Bakerloo is like working in a sauna! Extremely hot tunnels and all the tunnel dust you can eat! A trip to Harrow cools the trains down a bit but Queens Park reversers just stay hot!
No I am not the driver. I believe it was filmed over several days/trips and with a special train working at times. I have another vid to upload showing depot moves soon....happy viewing!
Yes, i believe they are, White City was a contender but it has been rebuilt. Back in the day, depot wise, London Road must have been the closest to central London that a fully functioning was located....now it's just a stabling point with only very light maintainence done there but you can see where the depot buildings had been.
The deep tube lines are like this on the below ground sections but two thirds of the Underground is actually above ground! Plus the sub-surface lines are only 6-ft down and in twin track tunnels so the enviroment is totally different.
Ygor Sad. London’s Underground dates from 1863. Tunnelling was done with pick and shovel. The early tunnels were only just beneath the surface and ironically bigger with bigger trains than the later deep tunnels which first opened in 1890. Deep tunnelling was even more difficult and it made sense to keep everything a small as possible. And even in modern times it made sense to keep things simple and continue with the old standards It’s the price for being the first. Others can come later, note the problems and include improvements. Also later Underground railways had the benefit of labour saving mechanical machinery.
GORDON BENNETT. No. You can have big tunnels and little tunnels. Most of the London Underground is comprised of little tunnels. And most trains are therefore small and claustrophobic.
Route two takes you up the right hand tunnel which is about 4 cars long and is used to shunt & reform units, ie-a defective south end unit can be coupled to a defective north end unit and then the whole 7 car set can be sent out on a working that stables at Stonebridhe Park Depot and be repaired.
The railways use the phonetic alphabet like the aviation industry. And there are a lot of rules and regulations to know in order to be a train driver, physically driving the train is the easy bit!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I can totally agree that actually driving electric and diesel trains is the easy part. It's rather more difficult with steam - yes, I have driven steam locos voluntarily but never on BR. When you communicate you should repeat everything back to be sure that you've got the message right. You are examined on your knowledge of the rules regularly. I think that the hardest part is knowing the road. You have to know almost /exactly/ where you are in the pitch black of a cloudy night. I was a Guard on BR and I knew several hundreds of miles. But drivers have to know the train technically as well and be able to make running repairs if they can. It's easier with steam though the driving is more difficult.
Well, this is my Friday night sorted
IF you looked at all my uploads you'd be busy until next Friday night!!! lol I'm pleased you enjoy them...ps-take notes.....i'll be asking questions later!!! lol.....
These drivers have my uttermost respect. Just staring ahead in dark, confined tunnels for hours. I would've gone insane
It can affect your eyes, and the tunnel dust will certainly affect your lungs!......
I remember going to London Road depot in the 1980's on a 1938 stock tour , the train went into the depot then all doors were open so we could take photos ! I don't think they would do that today .
I'm sure they wouldn't!!! I was also on that tour, it used the 'Starlight' Express' set, the one that was repainted in the old livery with gold LT fleetnames & car numbers which was sponsered by the musical of the same name.
I love the sounds of the underground. I fell in love on my first visit last year.
It can get to people like that.....it is a fascinating system that's for sure!
Very interesting and informative unique footage Thanks for sharing
I think it's the commentary about the moves+signalling that makes it so fascinating.
Learning for TSW2
@Eric Cartman we'll just wait and see what happens
@@hbthetrainfan6133 is it gonna be the whole route
It said all the stations will be in the game so yes
@Eric Cartman last weeks pictures proved u wrong
@@envirotrident_yt yes even depots bc from the pictures
Thank you for these videos. I am interested in operations in the London Underground. I don't get to see too much videos about this.
I still have more to come, there is still the route south from Harrow plus the rest of the Depot moves-happy viewing!
what would happen if you did take a route 2 indication on leaving the depot?
You would end up in the shunting tunnel which was only 4 cars long!
It should be called..."Its a Rats life"...all those dark tunnels lol....fascinating video...seems quite obvious after a while the signals...when you learn mainline...its a good teacher for underground....love to do this job.
On the Bakerloo you do have to learn main line as well as Underground signalling. The line north of Queens Park is National Rail and their signalling & rules apply (as do District drivers with regard to Richmond and Wimbledon). The tube drivers as opposed to sub surface drivers are known as tunnel rats, it's very hot down there in winter and awealtering in summer plus all the tunnel dust you breathe in and that covers all surfaces plus all the wind from the movement of the trains, it's not the nicest place to work (although the pay these days is a lot better than it used to be!).
That’s so accurate just like tsw2! :D
You mean TSW2 is accurate, this vid shows the real thing!....lol
Yep! Hahaha
I'm planning on being a driver on the underground so this helps a lot
It doesn't give an idea of the dirt, tunnel dust and if on an older deep tube line the extreme heat especially in summer. But, yes it certainly gives you a flavour of life as a 'tunnel rat' !!!
It's nice to see a drives point of view
And with the added bonus of full in cab sounds as well as an instructional commentary.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus 😊
Train Sim World is really accurate 😳
No it's not. The platform layout is wrong at Waterloo and the entranceto the tunnels at London road is different and the siding at Harrow and wealstone has its third rail on the wrong side. The camera screen thing at harlsden SB clips through the train. TSW2 is plagued with inaccuracies
@@militarybandsOP Everyting is not perfect in the world.
@@militarybandsOP And plus I thought you quitted UA-cam over the interest of making videos.
Watched this and instantly thought …. I’ve played this!!
Not really, number 9 road is long enough in the game to keep exit from number 5 road opened
Love these.
Thanks for sharing ! What are the T boards for ?
Termination of a speed restriction. On BR/Network Rail lines you may resume line speed when the rear of your train reaches the T board. On LUL the train lengths are standard for each line so the T board is placed for the driver to see it when the rear of the train is at the end of a speed restriction.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Thanks !
A few converted ex Northern line mk1s are on the Bakerloo Line as well
Yes, the MkII's ended at unit xx63. One set xx99 is a mix and match after a MkII had an accident at London Road Depot and several cars were written off. To make up a complete train again they used cars of MkI stock. Plus about 3 complete 7 car trains of MkI stock, OPO converted and re-numbered.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus so similar with the 1967 stock. They put cars of Mk1 in the middle as they did not have automatic driving equipment.
@@oludotunjohnshowemimo434 yes no ATO fired cabs but we're good enough for shunting in Northumberland Park depot.
Very cool. Appearance of housing around the yard much like I imagined it to. Where must Route 2 at the portal go to; to shops?
No, that was the shunt tunnel, approx 4 cars long. Stock could be swapped between sets at night, perhaps to get a defective north end unit coupled to a defective south end unit so they could be diagrammed on a working that ended up at Stonebridge Park Depot, for repair.
Diagon Alley
where can i download this game?
This isn't a game, it's an LUL video for drivers
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus r/woooooosh
lol
Interesting footage, thanks for uploading. Imo london road repot looks more like a large set of sidings than an actual depot and its configuration is fairly unusual with only a single track connection to the main line. Out of curiosity is it possible to see trains entering/leaving the track that connects to the depot from the platform of lambeth north station?
You can't see much at Lambeth North due to a curve in the tunnel but you can hear them on the cross-overs. It was the original depot for the line when new, on the right hand side on entering what is now sidings was an actual depot building, scars can be seen on the walls where the main shed and smaller buildings had been..... Neasden took over the main depot role when the line was extended to Stanmore in the 1930s, and Stonebridge Park took over when the Stanmore branch became the Jubilee Line.....
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Thanks for the information, appreciate it 👍
Ahh my old Depot shunters cabin on the right it must have been 1990 I had no movement Baker Street Southbound I was pushed out by the train behind. Old seriphin was the driver behind pushing I was braking from my train. Area manager in attendance Mick Knight good bloke when we arrived at London Underground in what was in effect a 14 car train they couldn’t split the two and the best tradition of Bakerloo line Mick knight and I left them to it. LOL
About bloody time the engineering side had to do some work! We all know what NDF really meant on the Trouble Card (not done f**kall!)
What is that wright tunnel outside??
The right hand tunnel was for shunt moves in the depot and was about 4 cars long.
Ok, thanks for letting me know and is that same on the northern line at Golders Green, because there are three tunnels there too
@@leonardssenkindu5802 Yes, same again just a headshunt. If the depot handn't been so close to the side of Hampstead Heath it would have saved the cost of tunneling!
Soi Buakhao ok, thanks for the information
Where does the right-hand tunnel portal lead to when entering the tunnels at the exit of the depot?
It is a short tunnle, around 4 cars long used for shunt moves when splitting units in the depot.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Oh that's cool, I thought it was just a dead-end overrun. I heard that it was meant to be double-track all the way from the depot to the mainline, but that they had to curtail tunnelling efforts when they discovered there was a plague pit in the area! I can't remember where I got that information from, though...
What's the unfefurb mk1 unit doing there? It has since been scrapped and 1967 in its place.
I don't know for sure but i'm guessing it was as a sourse of spares? Or kept in case of any more accidents writing off some more MkII's so having replacement cars?......
8:40 for a second I thought he was going to crash through that buffer...
As it said on the vid you had to draw right up to clear the pointwork at the other end. London Road is a tight, constrained depot!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus it wasn't the closeness that surprised me, but the speed at which he approached the buffer, before slowing down at the last second. It seemed like he wasn't going to stop at all...
@@batlin I have driven trains into London Road in the distant past, you have climbed uphill to get into the depot and want to keep the train just rolling along, you don't really want to apply power getting close to the buffers. So you have to have enough oomp to be sure of rolling right up and braking at the last moment. It doesn't feel so bad when you are actually doing it in a train.
Nice old video of Queen's Park at the end
That's a clip i use at the end of my uploads to put the end cards over. The actual vid with this shot in it is here ua-cam.com/video/fsGT0ta30Rc/v-deo.html if you would like to see more 38's in action!
Wonder why there's an unrefurbished unit at 7:55. It appears to be a Mark I ifI am right because it lacks the red doors?
It was stored there, maybe as spares for the MkII's? Or awaiting conversion to some departmental use???...
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus a few ex Northern line 1972mk1 trains have been converted to driver only operation and combined with some mk2s as one train.
The mk1s make up half of the train combination either 3 or four car half of the train.
@@oludotunjohnshowemimo434 Yes, i know some are on the Bakerloo, one unit to replace the one damaged in an accident coming into London Road plus a few for service uplift....
Didn’t Know That Theres London Road Depot
It was the main Bakerloo Line depot when the line opened. There is an entrance in London Road itself although any large spare parts had to come in by train. Once the Bakerloo was extended to Stanmore, Neasden Depot took over the heavy maintainance and London Road only did light, running repairs.
Stonebridge Park is now the main depot. London Road is the smaller one.
Another great video! Any idea when it was recorded?
Other already uploaded segments have had suggestions of the early 2000s.....
I would say late 80s or early 90s
@@forza223bowe5 No, it is later than that. The 72's have all been refurb'd and in the section i uploaded going to Harrow (here-ua-cam.com/video/6947KDKsx-c/v-deo.html) you can see Silverlink Metro 313's at work on the DC Lines. So late 1990s or early 2000s!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbusIt's autumn 2004 according to the Bridget Jones: The Edge of Reason film poster on the platform at Waterloo
@@ok2760 Thanks for that. I like the viewers of my channel, they like to get stiuck in and find answers to unanswered questions!
Nice one! Mk1 at 8:07? What’s that doing there?
After withdrawl from the Northern Line several sets of 72 MkI stock were stored around the system in case of departmental use, spare cars for the MkII fleet or just stripped for spare parts. I asume this is the case here.
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus Bit of research shows this is 3215, an engineering train. Scrapped a few years ago and a 67TS put in it's place
@@NC-002 Thanks for your checking, it's nice to know the story on the odd & unusual!
Soi Buakhao You’re welcome! That spot still has a 67TS there as an engineering train. Not sure if it will ever move. I think the motor has seized.
@@NC-002 That will be a 5mph move to Stonebridge on a wheel skate! Great fun--not!!!
Good video
Thank you, LUL made it for staff training.
Does access to or from the Southbound cause delays on the northbound?
Not the booked arrivals and departures as they are outside the rush hours. A defective train going to depot can .
I feel like I've taken this job, and am doing on the job training. And I live in the States.
Lol.....imagine going up & down all day....you could do 6 trips Elephant to Queens Park & return in a shift......brain damage at the end of the week!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I agree. Here in Kansas, transportation is by horse and buggy. We're slowly moving up to local rail. Once we land a person on the Sun, we'll have complete rail. I happen to reside in a very large metro area.
Cool
Which is more than the tunnels are-they're like a sauna!
Judging from the adverts for Franz Ferdinand and "back the bid" I'd say this was early 2005
Yes, consensus is 2004/05, definatly not the 1990s.
You can see a poster of After the Sunset, a movie released mid November of 2004 in the UK.
Wasnt Franz Ferdinand 1914? Okay, bad joke.
@@tonyjones9442 Well, he was "cancelled" in 1914. :)
I'm gonna assume "Do not accept a Route 2" is because Route 2 is where Southbound trains coming from Waterloo would go?
How hot do these tunnels get? Do they always stay hot and how does it affect the inside of the trains for the driver and passengers?
Working on the Bakerloo is like working in a sauna! Extremely hot tunnels and all the tunnel dust you can eat! A trip to Harrow cools the trains down a bit but Queens Park reversers just stay hot!
I miss the 1959 and 1938 stock. Blow down shut down 😉
You can still hear that on the 38's on the Isle of Wight, not too much noise as there is only 4 cars at most rather than the standard 7.
Don't forget to close the DBVIC and get the Control Key out.
@@acleray of course 😁
Hi Soi is this you in the front of the cab or are you just an enthusiast
No I am not the driver. I believe it was filmed over several days/trips and with a special train working at times. I have another vid to upload showing depot moves soon....happy viewing!
I believe that London and Ealing Common are the 2 oldest depots on LUL.
Yes, i believe they are, White City was a contender but it has been rebuilt. Back in the day, depot wise, London Road must have been the closest to central London that a fully functioning was located....now it's just a stabling point with only very light maintainence done there but you can see where the depot buildings had been.
Which station is has tunnels to London Road depot
The junction for the line to London Road depot is just north of Lambeth North station.....
So claustrophobic! London tunnels are way to small and dark...
The deep tube lines are like this on the below ground sections but two thirds of the Underground is actually above ground! Plus the sub-surface lines are only 6-ft down and in twin track tunnels so the enviroment is totally different.
Ygor Sad. “too”.
Ygor Sad. London’s Underground dates from 1863. Tunnelling was done with pick and shovel. The early tunnels were only just beneath the surface and ironically bigger with bigger trains than the later deep tunnels which first opened in 1890.
Deep tunnelling was even more difficult and it made sense to keep everything a small as possible. And even in modern times it made sense to keep things simple and continue with the old standards
It’s the price for being the first. Others can come later, note the problems and include improvements. Also later Underground railways had the benefit of labour saving mechanical machinery.
It is a tunnel. That is what they are supposed to be like.
GORDON BENNETT. No. You can have big tunnels and little tunnels. Most of the London Underground is comprised of little tunnels.
And most trains are therefore small and claustrophobic.
This must be a very hard job...
Lots of rules & regulations you need to know as well as the phisical job in itself, in hot & dirty tunnels.....
I still wonder can you even breathe in these tunnels
You do, but its very hot and there is lots of tunnel dust to breathe in.....
So what happens if you take route 2 from signal BR19? The video says you mustn't, but it doesn't say why.
Route two takes you up the right hand tunnel which is about 4 cars long and is used to shunt & reform units, ie-a defective south end unit can be coupled to a defective north end unit and then the whole 7 car set can be sent out on a working that stables at Stonebridhe Park Depot and be repaired.
Thanks, @@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus .
That rail in the middle. Power rail or balance rail?
Power, middle rail is the current return rail.
@@iman2341 Thank you very much for clearing that up for me!
Power
Negative
@@ghostlylover99123 Aero Buddy is right. Where LT trains run on BR tracks they must take power as BR trains do and they don't use the middle rail.
He stopped way too near those wrong points.
That's where the stopping point is. Plus the camera make it look like yooue are nearer than the train actually is.
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OMG ITS not air line pilots only trains
Screw this, those commands are strange
The railways use the phonetic alphabet like the aviation industry. And there are a lot of rules and regulations to know in order to be a train driver, physically driving the train is the easy bit!
@@SoiBuakhaoRoutemasterbus I can totally agree that actually driving electric and diesel trains is the easy part. It's rather more difficult with steam - yes, I have driven steam locos voluntarily but never on BR.
When you communicate you should repeat everything back to be sure that you've got the message right. You are examined on your knowledge of the rules regularly.
I think that the hardest part is knowing the road. You have to know almost /exactly/ where you are in the pitch black of a cloudy night. I was a Guard on BR and I knew several hundreds of miles.
But drivers have to know the train technically as well and be able to make running repairs if they can. It's easier with steam though the driving is more difficult.