Thing is this was always Amys character to an extent. He compassion, her love for others, these were a part of her, it's just that her whole thing with Sonic was so overpowering that it greatly distracted from who she was outside of that. Most notably we see this in SA1 and 2, specifically her interactions with birdy and Gamma as well as her conversation with Shadow. After SA2 those elements were kind of lost. Frontiers has brought back those aspects of her character, but instead of feeling like a footnote crushed under the weight of her fan-girlish obsession with Sonic it's instead central to who she is and her world view. You can tell she still has feelings about Sonic, but it's subtle. This is a matured Amy Rose, more grown up. And her relationship with Sonic is matured as well. This is the best direction they could have taken her.
They weren't lost. People just meme'd on her so hard they pretend they weren't there. She did the same kind of thing wirh Cream, Big, Emerl, Blaze, and even Elise.
She was quite like this up until 06 bombed, then they completely bastardized EVERYONE not just Amy. Tails became pathetic and codependent, knuckles became a meathead, rouge was just seduction and shadow became an edgelord. People would just target amy because she's the love interest. The games people often like to site for where amy is "obsessive" are games that flanderize EVERYONE. Free Riders, X, and Battle for example are games where EVERYONE is bastardized. Not just Amy. Frontiers is great because it's establishing new roles for how the main 3 fit into sonic's life, but also re-establish their personas from the adventure era. This is a beacon of hope for tails amy and knuckles collectively.
@@emotion_deluxe I was actually going to write something to that effect. Amy's writing is inconsistent because that's how Sonic games have been. Now that the story's actually good, and the cast has matured, we get whole characters this time.
I always like that with characters who have high and happy energy, have a down moment is so different because their voice is no longer height pitched and happy it's low and sad
Everybody's talking about how Amy's personality is being shifted back to how it should've been since the beginning, which is all well and good, I absolutely adore it too, but can we talk about Sonic's responses to some of the things she says? Honestly, Sonic has also grown a lot for this game as well. The dialouge is just so convincing. Like, Sonic actually feels like he has a soft spot for Amy that shines through, but he has to balance it with his overall personality. And that line of "I'm sure you'll do great. I wanna hear all about it when you get back," in response to her goal... I wasn't a SonAmy shipper before, but this game has convinced me. Lol
9:43 is still one of my favorite moments in the game. Theres lots of awesome dramatic action but this is a great quiet, introspective scene with a gorgeously bittersweet soundtrack.
Amy having a personnality outside of being obsessed with Sonic? And having goals that don't revolve around him? They told me the new writer for this game would shake things up, but I had no idea.
In fairness to Amy, she had these elements to her character before, SA1 and 2 do TRY to emphasize her compassion and love of others, but the whole obsession with Sonic was rather overpowering and made it hard to focus on other aspects of who she was. Frontiers has kind of rebalanced the character, where her kindness and desire to help others above all else are front and center where her love of Sonic more flavours her interactions with him rather than being the single driving force.
@@vocalcalibration8033 They reverted her back to her original character position. She always wanted to be a hero and now good writers (The comic writers are great too) are fixing the horrible mess made. Tails and Knuckles also got their charm back thankful for these changes
10:21 Man, I can tell they wanted to develop a romantic relationship here so badly, they had to push it by making Amy say she wants to share that love with the world.
@BreakTheUniverse⚡️ I mean, I can see what they did, and it's not bad since their interaction has been almost the same for so many years and has grown a bit, probably since Lost World or Generations. But with all the imagery and some of their dialogues, I can see how it could've evolved from just being a fan girl interaction to developing a relationship in order to give continuation to their story together, however it just feels like they wanted to go with that and suddenly dropped it due to their strict guidelines and decided to say just whatever sounded good, and just imply something more was going on. Of course, this is just a stretch of the imagination, and what they said in the game is what it is, but it just feels that way.
Something shippers will never understand is these scenes are a take it for what u will rather than a true indication Unless sonic says “I love you” it isn’t canon. It will never be canon due to segas rules It’s stupid but u can leave it at 2 friends with mutual feelings that won’t do nothing about them because I doubt they will expand on any of this in frontiers
@Jayy-ux9fu I mean, that idea applies to pretty much everything on the series. If it's not stated in there, then it's not official. Then again, Amy did say multiple times back then she wanted to marry Sonic. But anyway, at least this way of handling things will ensure to keep the series going for years to come. They do wanna expand a lot and explain multiple things in the games, but they won't do it any time soon. They barely explained the origin of the Chaos Emeralds.
@@ChSjRi thanks for the reply. Yes this idea goes for most parts of the series but if u do this. It ruins Amy’s character. The way I think it’s suppose and should be is Amy and sonic do have mutual feelings but rather act in a comrade/great friends kinda relationship. The idea they had in adventure 1 was to have other aspects of the character rather than make her love for sonic her entire dynamic. Maybe for a series final I’d like to see that. But in my personal opinion sonic just isn’t the kind of franchise for couples. It would be cool at first and if anything was to be canon it would be sonamy, but I don’t see how u could further develop it. Also just a random question. No disrespect but what exactly was developed in generations? It was sonic just being a jerk to Amy lmao.
@@ammittens He still tried making Sakura a good and relatable character and most complaints about Sakura were things that made her interesting(short temper and obsession with love) which can also be said about Amy. Sakura is still the best girl of all anime to me. She went from nothing to one of the best ninja ever and wasn't even born with any type of abilities like most everyone else in the series. Most powerful women in other anime seem less girly and have some type of gifted power they rely on. I really think Naruto and Sakura are also just fun to watch interact together, I like how he does childish stuff and then she gets mad at him, it's very funny to me lol. I just think it's neat how polarizing Sakura is, there are fans obsessed with her and ppl who hate her so much, but I really think the hate is an exaggerated trend that Kishimoto just had to accept to make Sakura haters feel better.
Is it just me or Ancient's Koco on 8:46 has 😠 face, impression closer to someone like Shadow than Metaphor to Sonic? 10:20 makes me feel strange like this is some kind of foreshadowing to something in future games
Up until now, I never liked Amy. Mainly 'cause Sonic was literally the only thing on her mind. But now, after this, we're better able to understand her, when it's NOT related to just Sonic.
In fairness to Amy, she had these elements to her character before, SA1 and 2 do TRY to emphasize her compassion and love of others, but the whole obsession with Sonic was rather overpowering and made it hard to focus on other aspects of who she was. Frontiers has kind of rebalanced the character, where her kindness and desire to help others above all else are front and center where her love of Sonic more flavours her interactions with him rather than being the single driving force.
By IDW post-Forces, she still has her crush on Sonic and isn't afraid to show it, but has learned to completely dial back the obsessiveness to not make him feel uncomfortable and not afraid to switch her priorities to help out him or anyone else in need. Having been affected by the harrowing sights of the Koco's origins whilst sharing somewhat of an admiration of a love that transcended time to its end, Amy decides on a new goal to share those experiences the Koco went through with the world.
@@Signerdragon123 The issue with this is that the games don't follow up this newfound character well, Amy has been this way since Lost World, they just explained in Forces. And while it is believable that Amy would have to mature eventually how the games do it comes off as a retcon than actual development. I DO think having her own goal to forward to after experiencing what the Koco went through is good, but modern Amy has no character. She's basically just Boom Amy now only more passive. If fans want to use "being normal" as defense for why she has character, then name a single personality trait she's expressed since she's been "normal" that isn't just passive, girl or motherly. Even her scenes where she shows emotion don't showcase a strong range. At least when Amy was the fangirl she had strong emotional range when she expressed anger. She brought out her hammer or when she didn't her facial expressions showcased the anger she was feeling, in Frontiers when Amy is mad her voice doesn't do a good job at that because of the passive range Cindy gives her because she has to be "mature" to objectively be good. Amy could've been her older self but expressed maturity in a way that still made her in character, rather than just strip away her previous character traits and act like being passive or the girl is a version of being normal. When I see Cindy play Amy in Frontiers (or any meta era game) I don't see Amy, I see her imitating Boom Amy with less character, because the voice she tries to give Amy is clearly just her Boom performance. Amy should be allowed to flirt with Sonic in a way that's mature, a little wink or flirty line, but still acknowledge or be involved in the bigger picture (like in Frontiers), instead she's just the girl of Sonic's friends who expresses motherly traits that just happens to be in the adventure. This isn't downplaying the fact Amy has her own moments in Frontiers she does. I loved that scene with her and the Kocos as well as her in the ending. It's pretty much the best thing these characters have done in the past decade, but as far as character, who is she? Because she isn't Sonic's love interest or a fangirl with a temper, she's just the girl of Sonic's friends. She doesn't even have a character flaw anymore. I literally had a friend who never played Sonic get introduced to Amy in Frontiers and meta era games, and she didn't even know Amy liked Sonic, just that she was a girl Sonic hung around. Don't get me wrong, I LIKE Amy being mature as a character evolution thing for her, as I think it shows how far she's grown and how Sonic has her as part of the team more often, it's just the games went so poorly about doing it that all we get out of her development is reading the comics. Hell, if I were new to the series and the newer games were my introduction to Amy, I wouldn't even know who she was besides being the girl of Sonic's friends. The fact she never shows signs of liking him means her main characteristic is stripped away, it's like Knuckles never mentioning the Master Emerald or Tails forgetting he could do techno stuff.
I’m so glad Amy isn’t that big sonic simp. The writer literally decided to calm down with that Amy-enthusiastic thing. I am so glad that Amy decided to focus on her own goals. Not revolved around sonic. She’s quite normal now, I’m glad. The writer should continue to make Amy someone who isn’t really obsessed with sonic. I like this new amy. The sonic boom Amy was good too, she wasn’t obsessed over him. I just don’t want Amy to become a background character really, maybe she should have her own game or more focus on her. It’s cool to see her now. She should begin her own adventures. Only if the writers really payed attention to her timeline. If there was an Amy based game, it should be her goals such as sharing love with the world. I just hope she doesn’t go crazy again. I feel like frontiers is an okay game I guess. The writers really don’t need to make empty, boring games. More adventure and action would be better. Maybe team dark should interfere with this, that would be better. Now sonic is really detailed, maybe not too many gloomy things. This is my opinion. If you don’t agree, that’s fine. Reply to me with your opinion if you’d like.
I love Amy like this! Amy mature and amazing! She’s way better than before!! Hope in Sonic frontiers 2, Sonic and Amy kiss and become an official couple!! I will scream at the top of my lungs very happy!! Sonamy Forever!!💙💙🩷🩷
@@justynhill4814 this is a horrible excuse. if this franchise had a consistent team of writers, and voice actors, none of them would change at all. they were already fine as is.
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Thing is this was always Amys character to an extent. He compassion, her love for others, these were a part of her, it's just that her whole thing with Sonic was so overpowering that it greatly distracted from who she was outside of that. Most notably we see this in SA1 and 2, specifically her interactions with birdy and Gamma as well as her conversation with Shadow.
After SA2 those elements were kind of lost. Frontiers has brought back those aspects of her character, but instead of feeling like a footnote crushed under the weight of her fan-girlish obsession with Sonic it's instead central to who she is and her world view. You can tell she still has feelings about Sonic, but it's subtle.
This is a matured Amy Rose, more grown up. And her relationship with Sonic is matured as well. This is the best direction they could have taken her.
They weren't lost. People just meme'd on her so hard they pretend they weren't there. She did the same kind of thing wirh Cream, Big, Emerl, Blaze, and even Elise.
She was quite like this up until 06 bombed, then they completely bastardized EVERYONE not just Amy. Tails became pathetic and codependent, knuckles became a meathead, rouge was just seduction and shadow became an edgelord. People would just target amy because she's the love interest.
The games people often like to site for where amy is "obsessive" are games that flanderize EVERYONE. Free Riders, X, and Battle for example are games where EVERYONE is bastardized. Not just Amy. Frontiers is great because it's establishing new roles for how the main 3 fit into sonic's life, but also re-establish their personas from the adventure era. This is a beacon of hope for tails amy and knuckles collectively.
@@emotion_deluxe I was actually going to write something to that effect. Amy's writing is inconsistent because that's how Sonic games have been. Now that the story's actually good, and the cast has matured, we get whole characters this time.
I know everyone's obsessed with Sonic's new voice direction, but Amy's is so good it feels like a completely new character.
She’s been like this since sonic lost world
So.... you just hated Amy?
Uhhh Meow
@@chiarin3461 she has been like this since sa1
She sounds so boring and lifeless now.
9:27 That sudden change of voice... Holy shit, that sounded more mature than any of the other characters...
I always like that with characters who have high and happy energy, have a down moment is so different because their voice is no longer height pitched and happy it's low and sad
@@captainsimp8864 I really agree with you, it just feels so uncomfortable and sad nowdays to see characters mentally hurt.
Everybody's talking about how Amy's personality is being shifted back to how it should've been since the beginning, which is all well and good, I absolutely adore it too, but can we talk about Sonic's responses to some of the things she says? Honestly, Sonic has also grown a lot for this game as well. The dialouge is just so convincing. Like, Sonic actually feels like he has a soft spot for Amy that shines through, but he has to balance it with his overall personality. And that line of "I'm sure you'll do great. I wanna hear all about it when you get back," in response to her goal... I wasn't a SonAmy shipper before, but this game has convinced me. Lol
Do you even know how she was in the beggining?
@@NicheXCC In all honesty, no. I didn't start playing Sonic until after Heroes came out, so Amy to me was a bit unlikable from the beginning.
@@Silverflame316 Yeah... sure.
9:43 is still one of my favorite moments in the game. Theres lots of awesome dramatic action but this is a great quiet, introspective scene with a gorgeously bittersweet soundtrack.
Amy having a personnality outside of being obsessed with Sonic? And having goals that don't revolve around him? They told me the new writer for this game would shake things up, but I had no idea.
In fairness to Amy, she had these elements to her character before, SA1 and 2 do TRY to emphasize her compassion and love of others, but the whole obsession with Sonic was rather overpowering and made it hard to focus on other aspects of who she was. Frontiers has kind of rebalanced the character, where her kindness and desire to help others above all else are front and center where her love of Sonic more flavours her interactions with him rather than being the single driving force.
@@vocalcalibration8033 They reverted her back to her original character position. She always wanted to be a hero and now good writers (The comic writers are great too) are fixing the horrible mess made. Tails and Knuckles also got their charm back thankful for these changes
@@rejuno1991 True. Much simpler way of putting it.
I could actually see this Amy and Sonic having a relationship because shes actually an emotionally stable person.
She’s always been like this though.
2:17 love the sa2 reference
10:21 Man, I can tell they wanted to develop a romantic relationship here so badly, they had to push it by making Amy say she wants to share that love with the world.
How is that stretching it? All they did was set up a goal and a different focus from Sonic lol.
@BreakTheUniverse⚡️ I mean, I can see what they did, and it's not bad since their interaction has been almost the same for so many years and has grown a bit, probably since Lost World or Generations. But with all the imagery and some of their dialogues, I can see how it could've evolved from just being a fan girl interaction to developing a relationship in order to give continuation to their story together, however it just feels like they wanted to go with that and suddenly dropped it due to their strict guidelines and decided to say just whatever sounded good, and just imply something more was going on. Of course, this is just a stretch of the imagination, and what they said in the game is what it is, but it just feels that way.
Something shippers will never understand is these scenes are a take it for what u will rather than a true indication
Unless sonic says “I love you” it isn’t canon. It will never be canon due to segas rules
It’s stupid but u can leave it at 2 friends with mutual feelings that won’t do nothing about them because I doubt they will expand on any of this in frontiers
@Jayy-ux9fu I mean, that idea applies to pretty much everything on the series. If it's not stated in there, then it's not official.
Then again, Amy did say multiple times back then she wanted to marry Sonic.
But anyway, at least this way of handling things will ensure to keep the series going for years to come. They do wanna expand a lot and explain multiple things in the games, but they won't do it any time soon. They barely explained the origin of the Chaos Emeralds.
@@ChSjRi thanks for the reply.
Yes this idea goes for most parts of the series but if u do this. It ruins Amy’s character.
The way I think it’s suppose and should be is Amy and sonic do have mutual feelings but rather act in a comrade/great friends kinda relationship. The idea they had in adventure 1 was to have other aspects of the character rather than make her love for sonic her entire dynamic.
Maybe for a series final I’d like to see that. But in my personal opinion sonic just isn’t the kind of franchise for couples. It would be cool at first and if anything was to be canon it would be sonamy, but I don’t see how u could further develop it.
Also just a random question. No disrespect but what exactly was developed in generations? It was sonic just being a jerk to Amy lmao.
This comment section made me realize that Amy is by far the most misunderstood Sonic character
She is! Lol same with Sakura Haruno
@@dankdilly even kishimoto said he can’t write women, what makes you think he could write sakura lol
The hate for those two pink gals is really getting old.
@@ammittens He still tried making Sakura a good and relatable character and most complaints about Sakura were things that made her interesting(short temper and obsession with love) which can also be said about Amy. Sakura is still the best girl of all anime to me. She went from nothing to one of the best ninja ever and wasn't even born with any type of abilities like most everyone else in the series. Most powerful women in other anime seem less girly and have some type of gifted power they rely on. I really think Naruto and Sakura are also just fun to watch interact together, I like how he does childish stuff and then she gets mad at him, it's very funny to me lol. I just think it's neat how polarizing Sakura is, there are fans obsessed with her and ppl who hate her so much, but I really think the hate is an exaggerated trend that Kishimoto just had to accept to make Sakura haters feel better.
THEY DID EM GOOD
Is it the first time Sonic accepts Amy's hug in a main game?
I think so.
14:39 among us
😭bro
15:33 What was that running animation? lol
So extra lmao
Goofy ahh run
Me in gym class
That’s how she ran in Heroes.
Budget sega
Good God! Did Cindy Robinson knock it out of the park or WHAT?!
I hope she continues with this in future Sonic games.
I never heard Amy speak like that!
She has grown up.
15:33 - 15:36 Look at that girly walk Amy’s doing.
someone fix that rubbing pose 😂
Sonic unleashed
Is it just me or Ancient's Koco on 8:46 has 😠 face, impression closer to someone like Shadow than Metaphor to Sonic?
10:20 makes me feel strange like this is some kind of foreshadowing to something in future games
I believe they look like the chaos from sonic adventure 1
Amy look beautiful.💙💙💙💙💙
Up until now, I never liked Amy. Mainly 'cause Sonic was literally the only thing on her mind.
But now, after this, we're better able to understand her, when it's NOT related to just Sonic.
In fairness to Amy, she had these elements to her character before, SA1 and 2 do TRY to emphasize her compassion and love of others, but the whole obsession with Sonic was rather overpowering and made it hard to focus on other aspects of who she was. Frontiers has kind of rebalanced the character, where her kindness and desire to help others above all else are front and center where her love of Sonic more flavours her interactions with him rather than being the single driving force.
Sonic wasn't the only thing that revolved around her character. She was much more than that. SA1, 2, Heroes, Boom, and IDW is proof of that.
@blueblurboy9841 yes SA1 Amy was best in my opinion.
Amy seems different.
She was so addicted to Sonic in the past.
Does she decided to be less addicted to him and think of Sonic as a friend?
By IDW post-Forces, she still has her crush on Sonic and isn't afraid to show it, but has learned to completely dial back the obsessiveness to not make him feel uncomfortable and not afraid to switch her priorities to help out him or anyone else in need.
Having been affected by the harrowing sights of the Koco's origins whilst sharing somewhat of an admiration of a love that transcended time to its end, Amy decides on a new goal to share those experiences the Koco went through with the world.
No.
@@Signerdragon123 Amy was never obsessive.
@@bakedbeans5494 *SA1, 2, Heroes, etc.*
@@Signerdragon123 The issue with this is that the games don't follow up this newfound character well, Amy has been this way since Lost World, they just explained in Forces. And while it is believable that Amy would have to mature eventually how the games do it comes off as a retcon than actual development. I DO think having her own goal to forward to after experiencing what the Koco went through is good, but modern Amy has no character.
She's basically just Boom Amy now only more passive. If fans want to use "being normal" as defense for why she has character, then name a single personality trait she's expressed since she's been "normal" that isn't just passive, girl or motherly. Even her scenes where she shows emotion don't showcase a strong range. At least when Amy was the fangirl she had strong emotional range when she expressed anger. She brought out her hammer or when she didn't her facial expressions showcased the anger she was feeling, in Frontiers when Amy is mad her voice doesn't do a good job at that because of the passive range Cindy gives her because she has to be "mature" to objectively be good.
Amy could've been her older self but expressed maturity in a way that still made her in character, rather than just strip away her previous character traits and act like being passive or the girl is a version of being normal. When I see Cindy play Amy in Frontiers (or any meta era game) I don't see Amy, I see her imitating Boom Amy with less character, because the voice she tries to give Amy is clearly just her Boom performance. Amy should be allowed to flirt with Sonic in a way that's mature, a little wink or flirty line, but still acknowledge or be involved in the bigger picture (like in Frontiers), instead she's just the girl of Sonic's friends who expresses motherly traits that just happens to be in the adventure.
This isn't downplaying the fact Amy has her own moments in Frontiers she does. I loved that scene with her and the Kocos as well as her in the ending. It's pretty much the best thing these characters have done in the past decade, but as far as character, who is she? Because she isn't Sonic's love interest or a fangirl with a temper, she's just the girl of Sonic's friends. She doesn't even have a character flaw anymore. I literally had a friend who never played Sonic get introduced to Amy in Frontiers and meta era games, and she didn't even know Amy liked Sonic, just that she was a girl Sonic hung around.
Don't get me wrong, I LIKE Amy being mature as a character evolution thing for her, as I think it shows how far she's grown and how Sonic has her as part of the team more often, it's just the games went so poorly about doing it that all we get out of her development is reading the comics. Hell, if I were new to the series and the newer games were my introduction to Amy, I wouldn't even know who she was besides being the girl of Sonic's friends. The fact she never shows signs of liking him means her main characteristic is stripped away, it's like Knuckles never mentioning the Master Emerald or Tails forgetting he could do techno stuff.
I’m so glad Amy isn’t that big sonic simp. The writer literally decided to calm down with that Amy-enthusiastic thing. I am so glad that Amy decided to focus on her own goals. Not revolved around sonic. She’s quite normal now, I’m glad. The writer should continue to make Amy someone who isn’t really obsessed with sonic. I like this new amy. The sonic boom Amy was good too, she wasn’t obsessed over him. I just don’t want Amy to become a background character really, maybe she should have her own game or more focus on her. It’s cool to see her now. She should begin her own adventures. Only if the writers really payed attention to her timeline. If there was an Amy based game, it should be her goals such as sharing love with the world. I just hope she doesn’t go crazy again. I feel like frontiers is an okay game I guess. The writers really don’t need to make empty, boring games. More adventure and action would be better. Maybe team dark should interfere with this, that would be better. Now sonic is really detailed, maybe not too many gloomy things. This is my opinion. If you don’t agree, that’s fine. Reply to me with your opinion if you’d like.
She still is but it’s more control now over the years
El Sonamy es canon gente.....
Anyone know the name of the theme that plays at 9:46?
9:28
God bless Ian Flynn
9:28 Look, I get this is supposed to be a sad and serious scene, and... Well, it IS, but what the *hyuck* happened to Amy's voice here?
She's mentally hurt
I love Amy like this! Amy mature and amazing! She’s way better than before!! Hope in Sonic frontiers 2, Sonic and Amy kiss and become an official couple!! I will scream at the top of my lungs very happy!! Sonamy Forever!!💙💙🩷🩷
15:33 what is that running
I would unironically prefer the 4kids era amy VA over this
what in the world is this voice
lmao what an awful take
It really doesn’t fit the design. It’s too deep
Expect Amy is both of these and it’s called growing up.
@@justynhill4814 this is a horrible excuse. if this franchise had a consistent team of writers, and voice actors, none of them would change at all. they were already fine as is.
@@salmonhead1650- they are same voice actors they just sound more mature along with the fact they just witnessed 2 lovers dying in each other’s arms.
I’m sorry…but I’m not really a fan of this new voice direction. It just doesn’t work…it just makes them sound way too old
Eh I liked it.. though sure may not be your cup of tea but I think it fits perfectly..plus it was just for this game