Brooke seems to have forgotten that it was HER lie that caused Ridge to leave her, not that she was talking to Deacon. And Hope with her self pity party and her remarks to guilt trip Liam; he begged her to come back to him several times and she refused every time but that didn't prevent her from trying to make Liam feel guilty and feel sorry for her.
Brooke: "Bill, stop rationalizing! You did something awful to my daughter - what was it?!!" 5 minutes later and Brooke is in Bill's bed. 🤣 Hope: "Liam, it's over.... " but always running to him, telling him she's going to be fine, telling him she knows he's moving on with Steffy.... then reaffirming it's over between them. Then gets in his face to make sure he's thinking about her, but again affirming that it's over between them. It's like Hope likes twisting that knife
Hahaha Hope is so funny telling Liam that he should take his time marrying Steffy so he can be single for a while while she pushed Liam to be married to her RIGHT NOW... LIKE NOW, NOW, NOW!!! 😂
I noticed that, too! Hope is such a hypocrite and a baby. All she does is cry like Brooke...and now she wants to talk to Liam, again. Who cares Hope! You broke up with Liam, he's single. WTF? Is she f/r??
Stephanie is such a powerhouse, of a lady. She's facing the end with Grace & dignity & a selfless concern for her family. Just as my own dear grandmother did, whilst dying of pancreatic cancer, 2 yrs ago. Stephanie may have been a character, on a TV show, but, my grandmother , was the real thing. 😢
@@avataz when she was a kid she said. Like her hideout when she stayed with Brooke. I think this was the time Taylor was assumed dead…..idk I’m with you on these writers
Claire Lally Hope is also to blame. Hope is passive aggressive. Hope also is a “do what O say and not as I do” person. She is quick to point out and judge others but does not take responsibility for her actions or her role in the collapse of her relationship with Liam.
@@catherinenieves5106 Nothing Hope ever did could possibly compare to the things that Bill and Steffy did to her! She has admitted her mistakes with Liam (I. E. Moving and moving out, and expecting too much from him), but she doesn't hold anyone to a higher standard than she holds herself! That is why she had such a difficult time dealing with the fact that she compromised her own principles by moving in with Liam before they were married. However, she admitted that when she got back from Aspen. She even apologised to Steffy for it and insisted that her mother not discuss the upcoming wedding in front of her in order to spare her feelings.
@@clairelally3644 You make Hope sound like a saint. She got pregnant with Beth while liam was still married to Steffy, while Steffy was pregnant. And let's not forget the make out session between hope and liam in the dressing room, again while he was married. And let's not forget how hope pushed Liam to leave Steffy the day after Steffy lost her baby. Steffy may have sabotaged hope's relationship with liam while they were younger, she's been much more supportive of Hope than Hope has been of steffy as adults. Neither one is perfect; they're both to blame, and liam is also to blame.
Liam wasn't tricked. He could have said no to getting married. No gun to his head. He put the ring on her finger. She said let's do this and he said ok.
Am I the only one that doesn't understand why what Bill did is the worst thing in the world? I'm not saying it was a good thing and yes it was illegal and yes manipulating is wrong, however the situation wasn't ALL bad. Hope wanted to see Deacon, her father, and Bill gave that to her. Deacon isn't any more worse then Bill or any other "villain" like character on the show so the amount of disgust from Brooke doesn't seem relevant, she didn't think he was disgusting when she had an affair with him while married to her daughter, which resulted in another daughter . Also, the whole thing with Italy and then what happened at the re-do wedding showed just the amount of lack of trust and faith Hope and Liam had in each other. The lack of communication and maturity of them both and proved they were too young to be married. If their relationship was strong and had good communication and trust, no manipulation or lie would have kept them apart, they would have worked it out together. It also showed exactly how dovided his feelings were when it came to Steffy. Who wants to be committed to someone completely who can't be 100% committed back?
Well said. Hope and Liam were always the biggest threat to Hope and Liam. With the Italy thing, I was thinking, "Dang, Liam doesn't even know his own fiancee's handwriting." Plus Liam then went on a rant to Steffy about all the things he was fed up with about Hope.
- he bribed a therapist to make Hope open up to her - he listened in on a confidential conversation between Hope and her therapist - he bribed prison officials to release Deacon He broke three laws with his actions. Of course Katie has a right to be upset.
Hope has these beautiful moments of clarity. Again and again her logic wins out and she tells all these deepntruths about her and liam. And then something haopens to her brain and she goes chassing after him again. I just don't get it.
Hope has no experience. Something bad happens. She thinks it's the end of the world& runs away! The girl is childish. We all were like that more or less. That's why some of us shouldn't marry as soon as possible. Hope doesn't get that! HER mother is all about destiny. Deacon isn't there & Ridge has to much problems with Brooke + 2. families!
That's why I will never understand why Hope was so upset when Liam went back to Steffy and everyone likes to claim Liam is the waffler but Hope is just as much a waffler as he is. One minute she says she doesn't wanna be with Liam and he's this and that. He's disrespectful to her. He doesn't deserve her but then he tries to move on with Steffy and she's upset. Like seriously what are you doing. You're sending a lot of mixed signals. What do you want? Its either you wanna be with Liam or you don't, which is it? If you say you don't wanna be with Liam and he doesn't deserve you, then stick to it. Be the strong woman you oh so wanna be and stay away from him. Move on with your life. Find a man that does deserve you and let Liam be happy with Steffy.
Looking back, never truly realised what an abuser of women Liam was. The writers created this triangle purely because Hope and Liam couldn’t survive as a storyline because they were so numbingly boring, Steffy brought life and chemistry into the 3 way mix. JMW, SC and KM worked brilliantly off each other, especially JMW and KM... their scenes were always enormously entertaining.
@Sankento By expecting perfection and complete honesty of them and not holding himself to the same standards. Both steffy and Hope knew if they even slightly disappointed Liam, he'd run to the other woman. He told them both they were the one and he let them cut each other down and turn against each other to "win" him.
Katie the cabin and the property belongs to the Forrester's not Brooke; and the cabin always been Steffy's hiding place, but you and Ridge built your house on the cabin side of the property!
I confess i don't know a damn thing about PPD, but the way Katie is acting it's as if she wants everyone to know what Bill did so someone would run tell Liam and Hope so Bill would finally get punished. Every time she mentions jail i hear a guilt trip being laid on Bill. smh
She had a high risk pregnancy She basically died giving birth and they had ro bring her back. She found out bill did this horrible illegal thing All that added to ppd and made it much worse for her. Besides ppd she was horrigied bill qould be in jail and there might might be no pne to raise will if she passed.
@@songriver1232, so women who have normal births and whose husbands didn't do something illegal but still suffer from PPD, what's going on with them? Because it seems like Katie's PPD was brought on by external forces and i don't think that's how the condition works.
Oh my God, have you forgotten that Bill made Steffy and everybody believe she's got this head thing and she could die of a stroke any minute? Have you forgotten that Bill wanted to kill Amber? Have you forgotten that Bill wanted to leave Katie for Steffy? Maybe you think getting Deacon out of gaol is just a little bit wrong, but Bill has given Katie a lot of trouble and stress.
its like depression, people can have the perfect birth etc and still be just so mentally overwhelmed and down, extreme circumstances just exasperate the situation 💔
Liam and hope never had a real chance everyone Steffy bill deacon Rick Katie Brooke all of them concealed a secret and let Hope be alone and Steffy and Liam be together this whole storyline was sickening to me😮🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Omg Brooke! Bill is not the reason Hope and Liam aren’t together. Hope and Liam don’t belong together! Liam doesn’t deserve or love her the way he says he does. His actions far outweigh his words. Your so blind by your own history with Ridge that you can’t see this isn’t a healthy situation for your daughter
Even now its 2020 she is married to liam all she can think about is what steffy is doing why not ask your husband why he spends so much time with steffy oh yeah i forgot you did tell him once you wish she can believe he can let steffy go apparently not he has married her 3 times and they do share a child now for sure she will always be in her life
Hope has every right to be upset and angry with Liam but she's stupidly listen to her brother that's her bad judgment😮 Liam and hope every time they get together it just makes me feel bad for them Brooke should have told her daughter the truth so should her aunt Katie and Aunt Donna all of her family members lied to her
Bill Spencer was so damn obsessed with Steffy Forrester he didn't even have her yet at this time but he wanted her close😮 so he was so obsessed with keeping hope away if I was Brooke Forrester I would have told my daughter everything
Huuuuuh how much Brooke now relates Katie's upset to Bill's action with Deacon and how much she can understand Katie being upset. Wait a few weeks dear Brooke and you will disappoint and upset Katie a lot more.
Evry bady is blameming hope that it is her fault that they are not to gether enimore but its Liam the probleem cose he ,s the one Who always trying to go see hope Evry chance he gets. The probleem insint hope hope is trying to move on but Liam is the one who is going to see hope Evry chance he gests . So probleem is Liam
Is such a manipulation liam and hope over and over bill and steffy he love steffy for liam and liam love hope very much hae bill specer puppet muster money make trouble make
Brooke seems to have forgotten that it was HER lie that caused Ridge to leave her, not that she was talking to Deacon.
And Hope with her self pity party and her remarks to guilt trip Liam; he begged her to come back to him several times and she refused every time but that didn't prevent her from trying to make Liam feel guilty and feel sorry for her.
Brooke: "Bill, stop rationalizing! You did something awful to my daughter - what was it?!!" 5 minutes later and Brooke is in Bill's bed. 🤣
Hope: "Liam, it's over.... " but always running to him, telling him she's going to be fine, telling him she knows he's moving on with Steffy.... then reaffirming it's over between them. Then gets in his face to make sure he's thinking about her, but again affirming that it's over between them. It's like Hope likes twisting that knife
Absolutely!!
I didn’t see Brooke end up with Bill in bed????
@@rosamariann you will in the next few episodes
Hahaha Hope is so funny telling Liam that he should take his time marrying Steffy so he can be single for a while while she pushed Liam to be married to her RIGHT NOW... LIKE NOW, NOW, NOW!!! 😂
I noticed that, too! Hope is such a hypocrite and a baby. All she does is cry like Brooke...and now she wants to talk to Liam, again. Who cares Hope! You broke up with Liam, he's single. WTF? Is she f/r??
😂😂😂
Here comes Hopeless just because she knows Liam and Steffy are together like smother like daughter
"Have you set a wedding date?" Lol Hope thinks everyone is obsessed with weddings like she is
Stephanie is such a powerhouse, of a lady. She's facing the end with Grace & dignity & a selfless concern for her family. Just as my own dear grandmother did, whilst dying of pancreatic cancer, 2 yrs ago. Stephanie may have been a character, on a TV show, but, my grandmother , was the real thing. 😢
God bless your grandma 🙏
R.i.h to your 👵🏾 sorry for your lost baby girl she’s in your ❤️ ♾ Rachel Kristine 😞😓
God bless u and your family
Damn, Liam brought her stuff to her house. Funny how that house never became her home, and the cabin which did, was where Liam and Steffy reconnected.
Right? The cabin was a special place for Steffy and she was the first person to share it with him.
I never understood, how was a cabin on Brooke's property special for steffy? The writers on this show are the worst
@@avataz when she was a kid she said. Like her hideout when she stayed with Brooke. I think this was the time Taylor was assumed dead…..idk I’m with you on these writers
@@quietnerdgirl when steffy lived with Brooke it was at Taylor's house. The writers are so inconsistent
Hope blames everyone and everything except for herself. These things that happened, happened to her instead of because of her...
That part 💯💯💯
Well, it isn't exactly her fault that Rick lied to Bill manipulated her and Steffy pursued Liam even though he was involved with her!
Claire Lally Hope is also to blame. Hope is passive aggressive. Hope also is a “do what O say and not as I do” person. She is quick to point out and judge others but does not take responsibility for her actions or her role in the collapse of her relationship with Liam.
@@catherinenieves5106 Nothing Hope ever did could possibly compare to the things that Bill and Steffy did to her! She has admitted her mistakes with Liam (I. E. Moving and moving out, and expecting too much from him), but she doesn't hold anyone to a higher standard than she holds herself! That is why she had such a difficult time dealing with the fact that she compromised her own principles by moving in with Liam before they were married. However, she admitted that when she got back from Aspen. She even apologised to Steffy for it and insisted that her mother not discuss the upcoming wedding in front of her in order to spare her feelings.
@@clairelally3644 You make Hope sound like a saint. She got pregnant with Beth while liam was still married to Steffy, while Steffy was pregnant. And let's not forget the make out session between hope and liam in the dressing room, again while he was married. And let's not forget how hope pushed Liam to leave Steffy the day after Steffy lost her baby. Steffy may have sabotaged hope's relationship with liam while they were younger, she's been much more supportive of Hope than Hope has been of steffy as adults. Neither one is perfect; they're both to blame, and liam is also to blame.
IF LIAM & DON DIAMONT EVER HAVE A DISPUTE , THEY CAN JUST SWORDFIGHT🤺WITH THEIR LITTLE SWORDS ON THEIR TWEED NECKLACES🤘😆 .
LOL!
Liam is so dam weak,he never knew who he wanted.
Hope your the only one that rushes weddings.
Lol right
I was thinking the same thing, her and her mom.
I honestly think that's half of her problem in these episodes, she just wants the wedding not the marriage.
Actually, Steffy is ALWAYS the one tricking and scheming weddings to Liam, from the beginning. That's why she always loses!
Liam wasn't tricked. He could have said no to getting married. No gun to his head. He put the ring on her finger. She said let's do this and he said ok.
Am I the only one that doesn't understand why what Bill did is the worst thing in the world? I'm not saying it was a good thing and yes it was illegal and yes manipulating is wrong, however the situation wasn't ALL bad.
Hope wanted to see Deacon, her father, and Bill gave that to her. Deacon isn't any more worse then Bill or any other "villain" like character on the show so the amount of disgust from Brooke doesn't seem relevant, she didn't think he was disgusting when she had an affair with him while married to her daughter, which resulted in another daughter . Also, the whole thing with Italy and then what happened at the re-do wedding showed just the amount of lack of trust and faith Hope and Liam had in each other. The lack of communication and maturity of them both and proved they were too young to be married. If their relationship was strong and had good communication and trust, no manipulation or lie would have kept them apart, they would have worked it out together. It also showed exactly how dovided his feelings were when it came to Steffy. Who wants to be committed to someone completely who can't be 100% committed back?
Yeah to me Italy wasn't that bad either. Hell, him trying to kill Amber was worse than this.
Well said. Hope and Liam were always the biggest threat to Hope and Liam. With the Italy thing, I was thinking, "Dang, Liam doesn't even know his own fiancee's handwriting." Plus Liam then went on a rant to Steffy about all the things he was fed up with about Hope.
No kidding, the lying Rick and Othello did was worse. But nah, all good, sweep that under the carpet.
- he bribed a therapist to make Hope open up to her
- he listened in on a confidential conversation between Hope and her therapist
- he bribed prison officials to release Deacon
He broke three laws with his actions. Of course Katie has a right to be upset.
@@yao052 Bill does some jacked up stuff. But how many of the things in your list did Katie know? Did Katie know about the first two?
Hope has these beautiful moments of clarity. Again and again her logic wins out and she tells all these deepntruths about her and liam. And then something haopens to her brain and she goes chassing after him again. I just don't get it.
Hope has no experience. Something bad happens. She thinks it's the end of the world& runs away! The girl is childish. We all were like that more or less. That's why some of us shouldn't marry as soon as possible. Hope doesn't get that! HER mother is all about destiny. Deacon isn't there & Ridge has to much problems with Brooke + 2. families!
sorry but this is the writer this story is stupid two hot woman riche make never this in reality he has more man better and amazing than liam
That's why I will never understand why Hope was so upset when Liam went back to Steffy and everyone likes to claim Liam is the waffler but Hope is just as much a waffler as he is. One minute she says she doesn't wanna be with Liam and he's this and that. He's disrespectful to her. He doesn't deserve her but then he tries to move on with Steffy and she's upset. Like seriously what are you doing. You're sending a lot of mixed signals. What do you want? Its either you wanna be with Liam or you don't, which is it? If you say you don't wanna be with Liam and he doesn't deserve you, then stick to it. Be the strong woman you oh so wanna be and stay away from him. Move on with your life. Find a man that does deserve you and let Liam be happy with Steffy.
@@dr.x121 .
Yeah I'm starting to give up on her.....
Brooke lashing out at Bill about Deacon yet later has no problem hooking up with him and ruining her sister's marriage.
I am very happy that laim is finally with steffy were he belongs and hope is finally happy with someone else
I wish it could stay that way
Never lame team hope team liam forever
Well 2022 he's married to Hope and they have a child.
Looking back, never truly realised what an abuser of women Liam was. The writers created this triangle purely because Hope and Liam couldn’t survive as a storyline because they were so numbingly boring, Steffy brought life and chemistry into the 3 way mix. JMW, SC and KM worked brilliantly off each other, especially JMW and KM... their scenes were always enormously entertaining.
What a ridiculous comment. How is Liam abusing women? Stringing women along is unacceptable but to claim that its abuse is a joke
@@yao052… it’s a form of mental abuse and the 2 women are fools for allowing it… but the writers needed the drama.
@Sankento By expecting perfection and complete honesty of them and not holding himself to the same standards. Both steffy and Hope knew if they even slightly disappointed Liam, he'd run to the other woman. He told them both they were the one and he let them cut each other down and turn against each other to "win" him.
liam don't sell Steffy short to Hope
coming to the end of an era Steph so sad
Katie the cabin and the property belongs to the Forrester's not Brooke; and the cabin always been Steffy's hiding place, but you and Ridge built your house on the cabin side of the property!
You Logan’s only know how to cry and destroy other people’s feelings and you Liam stop hugging her you never defend Stefy 😡😡😡😡👎👎👎👎
Oh oh…the glaring stares they’re starting to give each other…this is where it all begins. Brooke & Bill
I confess i don't know a damn thing about PPD, but the way Katie is acting it's as if she wants everyone to know what Bill did so someone would run tell Liam and Hope so Bill would finally get punished. Every time she mentions jail i hear a guilt trip being laid on Bill. smh
She had a high risk pregnancy
She basically died giving birth and they had ro bring her back.
She found out bill did this horrible illegal thing
All that added to ppd and made it much worse for her.
Besides ppd she was horrigied bill qould be in jail and there might might be no pne to raise will if she passed.
@@songriver1232, so women who have normal births and whose husbands didn't do something illegal but still suffer from PPD, what's going on with them? Because it seems like Katie's PPD was brought on by external forces and i don't think that's how the condition works.
I agree she is acting like Hope and Liam getting back will help her out of her funk. SMDH
Oh my God, have you forgotten that Bill made Steffy and everybody believe she's got this head thing and she could die of a stroke any minute? Have you forgotten that Bill wanted to kill Amber? Have you forgotten that Bill wanted to leave Katie for Steffy? Maybe you think getting Deacon out of gaol is just a little bit wrong, but Bill has given Katie a lot of trouble and stress.
its like depression, people can have the perfect birth etc and still be just so mentally overwhelmed and down, extreme circumstances just exasperate the situation 💔
Brooke: "Im going to be angry at Bill for a very long time"
Lol BS. A few months from this point she's going to be riding him
This might be the only time I like Brooke!! How sweet what she said to her sister
Liam and hope never had a real chance everyone Steffy bill deacon Rick Katie Brooke all of them concealed a secret and let Hope be alone and Steffy and Liam be together this whole storyline was sickening to me😮🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
At least Bill save Deacon from a couple of Cougars . Nikki Reed & Ashley Abbot
she wants Liam pining for her all the time that's a logan
Yep 😂😂😂
Brooker gave Katie best advise regarding Will and how important he is. However, where is RJ?? Do we ever know where he is and who is raising him?
RJ was already on the show
Where’s Jack Marone??? Brooke fought tooth & nail to be part of that little boy and Brooke hasn’t mentioned his name at all.
I think in this episode Stephanie and Eric found it out that she have cancer
I’m going to be angry with Bill for a long time. Lmao! 30 seconds then you hop into bed with home🤣😂🤣
They make really hate Liam. What a waste of man.
aww this sucks..first we have to say "goodbye" to Ronn Moss and now Stephanie.
she has always been the same want what Steffy has
Neesha Anthony
Is that really how you express yourself with that Ghetto trash talk?
🤦🏾♀️ stop trash talking hope
Omg Brooke! Bill is not the reason Hope and Liam aren’t together. Hope and Liam don’t belong together! Liam doesn’t deserve or love her the way he says he does. His actions far outweigh his words. Your so blind by your own history with Ridge that you can’t see this isn’t a healthy situation for your daughter
Even to this day
Even now its 2020 she is married to liam all she can think about is what steffy is doing why not ask your husband why he spends so much time with steffy oh yeah i forgot you did tell him once you wish she can believe he can let steffy go apparently not he has married her 3 times and they do share a child now for sure she will always be in her life
Hope should have gave the true love of her life Liam Spencer and she should have had more faith in Liam and their relationship😮🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Hope has every right to be upset and angry with Liam but she's stupidly listen to her brother that's her bad judgment😮 Liam and hope every time they get together it just makes me feel bad for them Brooke should have told her daughter the truth so should her aunt Katie and Aunt Donna all of her family members lied to her
I don't understand how Brooke could marry Bill after the what he did to his son hope
His son is called Liam, not Hope
🤣 rite he said hope when he meant to say son liam
@@QueenBoss_UA-cam or possibly he meant to say his son and Hope
Brooke can't be without a man, regardless of who the man is married too.
Hope you have to stop messing with Liam and Stefy 👎👎👎👎😡😡😡😡
Bill Spencer was so damn obsessed with Steffy Forrester he didn't even have her yet at this time but he wanted her close😮 so he was so obsessed with keeping hope away if I was Brooke Forrester I would have told my daughter everything
I agree with you girl 100%🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
It's amazing you call that protection for Hope when they're only protecting themselves instead I would've walked away from all of them because of it
Liam is Not Single anymore He is Steffys Boyfriend now !!!
oh katie my heart breaks for you 💔 you need support and love so much right now
Huuuuuh how much Brooke now relates Katie's upset to Bill's action with Deacon and how much she can understand Katie being upset. Wait a few weeks dear Brooke and you will disappoint and upset Katie a lot more.
liam is and was a asole waffle he loves only himself
Truth and the two idiot girls are too blind to see it.
What is asole waffle lol?
Waffling WilLiam!
HELL YES! He really is a scumbag. That's why he will always be known to me, as, LAMEASS! 🧐🤨🤣🤣🤣🤣
I wish that Liam could come back and hug Hope while she's in tears
Ikr that’s his girlfriend
After all these years,the actress that plays Brooke,still can’t act.
😆😆😆👍👍👍
Brooke is a wonderful actress, sometimes I can't stand her character.
The ripple effects of deceit. Good job Bill.
Evry bady is blameming hope that it is her fault that they are not to gether enimore but its Liam the probleem cose he ,s the one Who always trying to go see hope Evry chance he gets. The probleem insint hope hope is trying to move on but Liam is the one who is going to see hope Evry chance he gests . So probleem is Liam
Is such a manipulation liam and hope over and over bill and steffy he love steffy for liam and liam love hope very much hae bill specer puppet muster money make trouble make
Bill ♥️ needs to stay out of his sons relationship s 💯 mind his own business for once 💯💚💕♥️💜💛💚💕♥️💜💛💛