As an old Ori otp who switched to Gwen your words opened my eyes. I was feeling so off when I tried her recently but she just wasn't feeling the same. But you explaining the agency and reliance of her made me realize that after having a champ that can be flexible with wincons (both having good side and teamfights) is so much better when playing alone. I'm still having a blast with her when I play with friends but if I'm alone I feel so powerless a lot of the time.
Nice to see you playing Orianna and how you described the agency part was spot on! I think the nerfs aimed at Ori after 23' worlds were undeserved and not needed and made her almost a non factor in pro play for a whole year, cause people really wanted to tune in to Corki vs Trist 24/7. I love this champ, always will, but if you have a team getting diffed you can come out of lane completely dominating the guy but feel rather helpless when your teammates aren't doing what they're supposed to resulting in your limited impact, despite being "fed". At least I got rid of the syndrome where you think you have to hit a 3k elo SW when it's usually just better to nuke down the target available to you. Hope to see more Ori games from you and at worlds
I got to 400lp Master playing Anivia & a bit of Orianna - I agree, most of the game is just spamming E W on your fighter/tank ie Rengar/Renekton or your ADC like Lucian/Kaisa
Yeah...like 4-1. Rene got bot and push it out, everyone else mid. If fight break out, Rene can tp. No reason why jhin should be bot when he can't regroup and rengar have to babysit him
I mean its not really about the play itself. Its about bad players cant admitting theyre wrong. Everything is good as long as you acknowledge your own fault and say "mb". But jhin is doing the wrong plays and even flames and blames his mates. Everybody does mistakes. In the end it matters if you are brave enough to see you may be in the wrong and not typing 24/7 in chat
I dont presume to be an expert and I get the gist of the statment "cc is just there" but in general cc does scale with levels (e.g. Morgana q increases time of root woth level of q - granted it is not a huge difference if you get caught at high level gameplay)
Riot should make it so champs get Tenacity per level by default I get it that the runes were boilerplate which doesn't mean that the reason why they were wasn't valid
Q is the meta levelling path still cause W doesn't get less cd, but like ginova said, w is better wave clear. Edit: also I think q just got buffed so depending on when the vid was streamed it might not have been live yet.
You can also see that the ally assistance factor is way stronger. 6:44 You can see just how bs it is. He gave Renekton like 4 speed boosts in 15 seconds, give or take. You might as well get similar combat stats on top of utility stats at the same time if you can.
After getting mountain drake, Nemesis pings mid wave, bot wave go go go. He is alone mid, Jhon goes to push bot, Karma is getting vision(?), and Rengar gets crab I think. Nemesis gets ulted by Skarner into enemy team and dies. "WhERe iS mY tEaM!?"
One person pushes the wave bot to get it into tower, then they all move mid to get tier 2 with baron, it's basic macro. His team should move to get turrets while they have baron
@@andrescallejas5138 I agree, but I think Jhin went bot shortly after he pinged, and then ori got collapsed on by enemy team. Even if they immediately rotated, he's still getting Skarner ulted there and dying
What is the idea behind maxing w first on ori since I would’ve assumed that the lower q cd was more valuable than w damage but I also don’t really play ori.
W got giga buffed last year or something so people started maxing it bc it made your trades stronger and it helps waveclear. I personally haven't tried it, feels so bad to play ori without cd on Q
@@shadenym5094 It does sound fine either ability maxed but idk I still think q max is better just because of the last buff it got pretty recently and I need the cd on q for ball management I think just a skill issue though
1:14 but this isn't true? just look at any support like Bard, Braum, Thresh, Morgana, Zyra etc etc their cc scales with levels and skill points But lets assume it didn't. Let's assume Morgana lvl3 could root you for 3+ seconds already. lvl18 morgana would have more mana and more cd so she could essentially also root more (+ she could also R now...)
yeah, it's more of a gold thing, cause they don't really need items to be useful, obviously it helps, but it's not as much of a difference like with mages or assasins or any other role for that matter.
Tbf he was prob talking about champs with multiple CC in their kits like Leo - Ali - Naut - Rell. Whereas most of the the champs you mentioned have 1 hard cc before 6 and have supporting spells like black shield, braum barrier and jump, zyra plants giving vision, thresh lantern.
How often are you getting games with a level 18 morgana support or jungle? The fact is level 18 is a myth for 99 percent of the player base. Games end too fast for level 18 scalings to matter or even come into effect.
I played against a kata really recently and when im like 8 or even 10 hrs in on my session i tend to get more unconcentrated (i know, me problem, i shouldnt play when its like that but well) and my midlaner pinged on my champ when kata was roaming bot. insane. i did not die 1 time that match due to a kata coming bot. they wasted alot of time that way. when ur bot is not responding to a kata gank maybe try it out :) your eye-less soloq mates will thank you (or flame you probably)
@@ImaskarDono Old pipes were found on Shakespeare’s property with marijuana residue. Carl Sagan openly endorsed smoking weed and was an avid weed smoker. It’s the synthetic shit that will ruin your brain
I hate versing Katarina. It's a pretty easy lane most of the time, but 80% of the time it ends with her getting bunch of random kills after going 0/3 and 4 cs/minute and carrying the game. No matter how much I will ping bot she is coming, they always int to her, it's a cursed champ...
It doesn’t happen in flex when everyone is in voice comm, champ is only good in solo queue against egoistic botlane, quite coin flip tbh Plus most Kat players are otp, so they do have experience in making a come back
Hey Neme, can you play gragas mid with the jack of all trades build? Its so fucking fun to play and I was wondering if it works in higher elo. Bomba guy plays it on Master and GM but I wanna see an elite player like yourself (and not a gragas otp) playing it to see if it really is that good. luv your videos ❤
9:38 that one guy in the chat who said neme should drop minions and fly into the ''nonesense'' fight is the ones in my games that ping me out of nowhere with a similar situation that guy was prob jhin anyways lol
15:00 I hate this because obviously youre right its the correct play, but you have perma vision on all of your teammates. You know where they are so you know what you cant do. If you ping it and they do nothing then you just cant walk up there. Its their fault for being wrong and stupid, but you dying there is legit 100% your fault, you should literally never be there if your team is brain damaged and not following. Its an awareness check brother.
Streamers also have this habit of talking to their teammates... via the camera. Like he'll say "get out of there" and not ping it or say anything in game chat and then after his teammate dies "oh my god why are you there".
No shot he got upset with the chatter over saying Jhin wasnt a champion just to then ask if Katarina was a champion. Neme with the hypocrite arc it seems
Wrong. He said to not blame bad plays on the champion. He than asked if Katarina was a champion at that moment which is a question about the strength of her at the very moment and now about blaming the champ for your own shit.
Skarner ganks are hard for mid laners. (Picks champ who has almost no movement to escape the gank.) -Is getting pinged that Skarner is moving in from top, is still playing past the midpoint of the lane ("Yeah it's just hard to avoid, even if you're playing safe.") Mid lane is free guys, don't listen to him. -Paid for by the ADC foundation
feels like the reason kata is so strong is because there are so many dumb ppl in this game who make bad decisions and therefore she gets a lot of kills very easily
CC is soooo much stronger than damage, Nidalee does a lot of damage but it doesn’t matter if she can’t land a spear or if she gets CC’d, all the best champs have some form of CC If you main a support with high CC, you are probably inflated even more than the average support player
what tools more does he want on orianna? she has movement speed, shield, stupid damage, gets to build tanky, supportive capabilities and malphite ult which is on click ranged spell. what am i missing
These video titles are getting out of hand
Clickbait title again smh
Did he change the title? What was the old one?
@@justsaita Sarcasm
Smh my head
@@roeeshteingart1257smh while I shake your head while you syh
@@justsaitaold title was: Orianna has nip slip on the rift
As an old Ori otp who switched to Gwen your words opened my eyes. I was feeling so off when I tried her recently but she just wasn't feeling the same. But you explaining the agency and reliance of her made me realize that after having a champ that can be flexible with wincons (both having good side and teamfights) is so much better when playing alone. I'm still having a blast with her when I play with friends but if I'm alone I feel so powerless a lot of the time.
That’s why it’s soloq, u play team rely champ, u boom.
Leag is just not like before…
@@jerryten6170 Indeed.
Nice to see you playing Orianna and how you described the agency part was spot on! I think the nerfs aimed at Ori after 23' worlds were undeserved and not needed and made her almost a non factor in pro play for a whole year, cause people really wanted to tune in to Corki vs Trist 24/7. I love this champ, always will, but if you have a team getting diffed you can come out of lane completely dominating the guy but feel rather helpless when your teammates aren't doing what they're supposed to resulting in your limited impact, despite being "fed". At least I got rid of the syndrome where you think you have to hit a 3k elo SW when it's usually just better to nuke down the target available to you. Hope to see more Ori games from you and at worlds
I got to 400lp Master playing Anivia & a bit of Orianna - I agree, most of the game is just spamming E W on your fighter/tank ie Rengar/Renekton or your ADC like Lucian/Kaisa
15:00 Nemesis at min 24: "go bot, go mid"
Nemesis dies mid 17 seconds later:"where is my team?!"
L moment xd
Yeah...like 4-1. Rene got bot and push it out, everyone else mid. If fight break out, Rene can tp. No reason why jhin should be bot when he can't regroup and rengar have to babysit him
She ori on my anna till I nemesis 😩
Who up Annaing they Ori rn
Ok but renekton and Rengar were popping off crazy in that one toplane tribush fight. :0
that chat exchange was very helpful because I'am clueless about a macro
maybe I do the same mistakes as jhin sometimes hard to tell
I mean its not really about the play itself. Its about bad players cant admitting theyre wrong. Everything is good as long as you acknowledge your own fault and say "mb". But jhin is doing the wrong plays and even flames and blames his mates. Everybody does mistakes. In the end it matters if you are brave enough to see you may be in the wrong and not typing 24/7 in chat
the hardest part for me is recognizing that Maokai is dead so you can push mid without that much fear of cc
I dont presume to be an expert and I get the gist of the statment "cc is just there" but in general cc does scale with levels (e.g. Morgana q increases time of root woth level of q - granted it is not a huge difference if you get caught at high level gameplay)
I watch nemesis because I think he's good no reason for clickbait
If you wanna cancel out the Skarner ganks just play your Veigar. The cage always cancels his tackle-state which makes him completely useless.
18 minutes of malding literally
That is why you subscribe here 🤭😅
Riot should make it so champs get Tenacity per level by default
I get it that the runes were boilerplate which doesn't mean that the reason why they were wasn't valid
I'd love to watch some Zoe gameplay, how you play her and how is she in the meta
Nice video
Nemesis.
Orianna feels amazing right now, she feels like a threat and people in my elo dont understand that 80% wr with her right now haha
Is W max the default on Ori or it's match up specific? Haven't played Ori in a while but I used to max q.
I think its for better wave clear
Q is the meta levelling path still cause W doesn't get less cd, but like ginova said, w is better wave clear.
Edit: also I think q just got buffed so depending on when the vid was streamed it might not have been live yet.
I think thats because of the better clear wave, and the damage is really high
You can also see that the ally assistance factor is way stronger. 6:44 You can see just how bs it is. He gave Renekton like 4 speed boosts in 15 seconds, give or take. You might as well get similar combat stats on top of utility stats at the same time if you can.
Nemesis actually is the GOAT
Imagine arguing with Nemesis lmao, that boosted Jhin is so funny
After getting mountain drake, Nemesis pings mid wave, bot wave go go go.
He is alone mid, Jhon goes to push bot, Karma is getting vision(?), and Rengar gets crab I think.
Nemesis gets ulted by Skarner into enemy team and dies.
"WhERe iS mY tEaM!?"
Was thinking the exact same thing, came to comments to write this.
One person pushes the wave bot to get it into tower, then they all move mid to get tier 2 with baron, it's basic macro. His team should move to get turrets while they have baron
@@andrescallejas5138 I agree, but I think Jhin went bot shortly after he pinged, and then ori got collapsed on by enemy team. Even if they immediately rotated, he's still getting Skarner ulted there and dying
Well, as a chall Nemesis should have seen that the team didn't come with him.
Nemesis, 3 points in W and then max Q is not better? Using triple potion as Well to have a free skill lvl up
My guy was so tilted at the end lol. I would be as well tbh
10:35 wouldnt it be worth if you 2 stayed and kept pushing? They would be forced to back and maybe youd get the next turret in the meantime
They were all in the jungle and mid and gnar dead, i think u or rengar or both could quickly get inhi turret
its ok for ori to be op because shes cute
What about lvl scaling cc timers, feel like this would also help keep champs made for top and jg out of botlane
I guess this game is a coin toss even in challenger lmao
This was mercs game for sure
This mage comment about relying on team is so real; this issue is so common
What is the idea behind maxing w first on ori since I would’ve assumed that the lower q cd was more valuable than w damage but I also don’t really play ori.
W got giga buffed last year or something so people started maxing it bc it made your trades stronger and it helps waveclear. I personally haven't tried it, feels so bad to play ori without cd on Q
@@shadenym5094 It does sound fine either ability maxed but idk I still think q max is better just because of the last buff it got pretty recently and I need the cd on q for ball management I think just a skill issue though
1:14 but this isn't true?
just look at any support like Bard, Braum, Thresh, Morgana, Zyra etc etc
their cc scales with levels and skill points
But lets assume it didn't. Let's assume Morgana lvl3 could root you for 3+ seconds already.
lvl18 morgana would have more mana and more cd so she could essentially also root more (+ she could also R now...)
yeah, it's more of a gold thing, cause they don't really need items to be useful, obviously it helps, but it's not as much of a difference like with mages or assasins or any other role for that matter.
Tbf he was prob talking about champs with multiple CC in their kits like Leo - Ali - Naut - Rell. Whereas most of the the champs you mentioned have 1 hard cc before 6 and have supporting spells like black shield, braum barrier and jump, zyra plants giving vision, thresh lantern.
How often are you getting games with a level 18 morgana support or jungle? The fact is level 18 is a myth for 99 percent of the player base. Games end too fast for level 18 scalings to matter or even come into effect.
Do you think CC is so much stronger now because cooldowns are lower no more than ever.
I played against a kata really recently and when im like 8 or even 10 hrs in on my session i tend to get more unconcentrated (i know, me problem, i shouldnt play when its like that but well) and my midlaner pinged on my champ when kata was roaming bot. insane. i did not die 1 time that match due to a kata coming bot. they wasted alot of time that way. when ur bot is not responding to a kata gank maybe try it out :) your eye-less soloq mates will thank you (or flame you probably)
Is ti me or nemesis looks like the genius kid who smokes weed 24/7 and nasa wants him to work for them?
neme does not smoke weed bro 😭😭😭
Oh my god he does
Genius and smokes weed is incompatible. Smokes weed = fried brain.
@@ImaskarDono
Old pipes were found on Shakespeare’s property with marijuana residue. Carl Sagan openly endorsed smoking weed and was an avid weed smoker. It’s the synthetic shit that will ruin your brain
btw nemmy boy they buffed per lvl dmg on q, try maxing it first it feels good
Botlanes will play like this and will still blame Mid/Jungle for not roaming/ganking ☠
I hate versing Katarina. It's a pretty easy lane most of the time, but 80% of the time it ends with her getting bunch of random kills after going 0/3 and 4 cs/minute and carrying the game. No matter how much I will ping bot she is coming, they always int to her, it's a cursed champ...
It doesn’t happen in flex when everyone is in voice comm, champ is only good in solo queue against egoistic botlane, quite coin flip tbh
Plus most Kat players are otp, so they do have experience in making a come back
Funny to see flaming/toxicity even at this elo - soloQ be soloQ!
play with em nemmy
so i get it my champ katarina is just hated for no reason i guess 😭😭
where is the editor
title should be Jhin. or Botlane.
Hey Neme, can you play gragas mid with the jack of all trades build? Its so fucking fun to play and I was wondering if it works in higher elo. Bomba guy plays it on Master and GM but I wanna see an elite player like yourself (and not a gragas otp) playing it to see if it really is that good.
luv your videos ❤
im not sure which champ he played in this vid
thanks for showing me i dont want to try this game again and why.
Video title as tilted as Nemesis in this game 😂
9:38 that one guy in the chat who said neme should drop minions and fly into the ''nonesense'' fight is the ones in my games that ping me out of nowhere with a similar situation
that guy was prob jhin anyways lol
11:43
15:00 I hate this because obviously youre right its the correct play, but you have perma vision on all of your teammates. You know where they are so you know what you cant do. If you ping it and they do nothing then you just cant walk up there. Its their fault for being wrong and stupid, but you dying there is legit 100% your fault, you should literally never be there if your team is brain damaged and not following. Its an awareness check brother.
Streamers also have this habit of talking to their teammates... via the camera. Like he'll say "get out of there" and not ping it or say anything in game chat and then after his teammate dies "oh my god why are you there".
Karma flamin the Jhin when she was inting too is gotta be the most support main thing ever
sometimes you do lose your mind playing with a bad ad xD
@@SouravRaihan I dont mind that but fuckin hell you gotta be entitled to int the game then flame the adc. Both laners were runnin it.
No shot he got upset with the chatter over saying Jhin wasnt a champion just to then ask if Katarina was a champion. Neme with the hypocrite arc it seems
Wrong. He said to not blame bad plays on the champion. He than asked if Katarina was a champion at that moment which is a question about the strength of her at the very moment and now about blaming the champ for your own shit.
@@Maximum7077 Wrong+L+Didn't ask
@@Sin-Chiggity-Chao I don't care if you ask. Maybe be less idiotic if you don't want people to correct you.
Removed Legende tenacity and tenacity Boots nervs, there’s jus too much cc
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Skarner ganks are hard for mid laners. (Picks champ who has almost no movement to escape the gank.)
-Is getting pinged that Skarner is moving in from top, is still playing past the midpoint of the lane ("Yeah it's just hard to avoid, even if you're playing safe.")
Mid lane is free guys, don't listen to him. -Paid for by the ADC foundation
"Give cannon cause skarner might be there" How about no? go for cannon and if he there he there
He has ori speed, and is playing on the opposite side of lane. that gap close shouldn't be real. if you're stupid just say that little bro?
You stupid or something? Watch it again.
feels like the reason kata is so strong is because there are so many dumb ppl in this game who make bad decisions and therefore she gets a lot of kills very easily
report this vid for Clickbait title, there was no Oriana steel thigh pics smh clicked this vid for nothing
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609 views im 10 minutes nemesis fell off hes not scaling anymore
ratio -editor
Homie complains about every champion that’s an assassin but plays champs that counter assassins if ur good and do 1k damage while being 50 feet away
Bruh crying about supports having cc, as if its not fair. Like bro they dont grt to do damage
i mean cc is a very big problem and there isnt a lot of iteams that counter it
@timotejjanzekovic4601 it's not a problem, getting oneshot by a fed enemy later always fun as a support. Point and click cc is annoying tho
CC is soooo much stronger than damage, Nidalee does a lot of damage but it doesn’t matter if she can’t land a spear or if she gets CC’d, all the best champs have some form of CC
If you main a support with high CC, you are probably inflated even more than the average support player
what tools more does he want on orianna? she has movement speed, shield, stupid damage, gets to build tanky, supportive capabilities and malphite ult which is on click ranged spell. what am i missing
Aoe slow
editor went a bit lazy here i think. Feels like a video from "Nemesis 2" channel. still love the content tho
lmao people either complain about too much editing or not enough
Some games do not need that much editing
misleading title
Such a whiner
bro whines too much
"scared of a skarner gank" youre littrally perma pushing, auto attacking the kat under her turret, like wtf? any jg will gank you
Nemesis.