Let me be clear, I'm happy about this cause it's in the right direction but by no means should they stop here. We could still use further rage buffs specifically and some extra utility, but these are significant damage buffs.
shield slam was already stacking up to 30%, its just faster now (3x10% stacks instead of 5x6%), which is not important if you ask me because if you chain pull, you pretty much do not lose that 30% buff ever anyway. Punish 4% DR is questionable too considering we lost cooldown reset of shield slam so keeping punish at 3 stacks is probably very hard in PTR now. 3 stacks of %2 DR is 6% total DR. Let's assume you are now able to keep 2 stacks of Punish, makes it an 8% DR, which is not a huge buff at all. I would say we gained whatever we lost with the rage nerf, minus we won't be able to use our other cool abilities because we have to use IP more. I would say this is still a net negative, just a little bit fixed after the previous rage giganerf.
@@Crabm38 We are not losing the reset of shield slam. Here is a note from the tuning post: [Shield Slam: Devastate, Thunder Clap, Revenge, and Execute have a 30% chance to reset the cooldown of Shield Slam] So we still have that 30% reset chance on those abilities.
@@TopicxWoW I'm still sceptical, the nerf was to Devastator (not Devastate) and this just seems like (from the wording) they are rolling Strategist into SS baseline. IDK, I think its just changes for the sake of changes and the playstyle was fine before. I think most of the excess rage they are seeing is coming from Thane procs in AOE situations - as that was a bit too much. It makes no sense to be slowing warriors down when the class seeing the most play in the higher keys is getting a tier set that just makes it faster
Still feels like blizz doesn't understand the rage problem. It's not our base kit that's the issue (albeit some fluff like booming voice etc) , it's mountain thane. I feel like them buffing thunder strike procs just adds more to the imbalance against colossus again ESPECIALLY with colossus main spam being a rage spender vs thane's generator. They really need to add another source of consistent rage to it or colossus will never be a truely serious option.
@@_E_Dizzle_ Yes, I agree. Hero talents have always been imbalanced since they arrived. It’s unfortunate. It’s not that there is a meta, it’s that some are WAY better than others.
I'm not 100% sure what that avatar change is supposed to be saying. We already get 2 charges of Thunder Blast when we hard cast avatar. Maybe is saying the procs we get from lightning strikes will also give us 2 charges of Thunder Blast now, as I think currently they only give one when it procs automatically.
I'm honestly glad that we're at least getting something. The damage is nice, but my favorite part of playing warrior is the fast gameplay which is what took the hit with the rage Nerf.
@@demontoarch Yes, I wonder if we will just full send haste and ignore every other secondary. Might be more crit and slightly less vers and no mastery.
@@TopicxWoW Yeah I watched enough to hear you call Avatar a tank CD. And that we don't take Punish. Both statements: just wrong. This isn't much to celebrate for people who liked the fast playstyle. And on top of that, we still will have overall less uptime on our cooldowns and we still will have far fewer rage. 5% aura + shield slam + a few seconds of avatar for Thane doesn't make up for the rest of it, which ball park was around a 10% (at least) nerf to our damage. Just think about it: the gutting of rage gen, especially through strategist resets, has a huge direct impact on Avatar + Shield Wall (via Anger Management) and Indomitable. They'll have to do a lot more to save prot from whatever arbitrary bullshit made them decide the spec needed to change. Please don't celebrate this "prot warrior at home" condolence prize.
@@muse-less Saying it was a Tank CD was misspeaking, meant to say offensive CD. You're correct, we do take punish. It's just been such a quiet choice node that you don't think about I couldn't remember off the top of my head. I recorded this vid as soon as I saw the news. Long story short is that I'm still happy we got some buffs. We obviously could still use more.
@@MikeWFX it works out to about 5% is what most content creators are saying. However other things got buffed too especially shield slam and more thunder blasts due to procs. It’s going to turn out to be like a 10% buff ish overall.
This will make us less dependent on spamming IP and then we can select when to use IP instead! I still think Colossus will be rage starved but we shall see...
You can choose to dump more rage into IP and just never weave in damage abilities, which is why I originally thought it would feel more like a damage nerf since we have to prioritize rage into IP even more now. Perhaps thats why they are attempting to buff our damage? I do think these are quite large damage numbers though. 10% on Shield slam, stacking up to 30%, a few extra thunder blasts per minute and some procs. This could perhaps makeup for the less casts of revenge/execute due to little rage. Need to see on PTR later this week.
@@TopicxWoW pooling rage to maintain IP and shield block by ignoring other abilities other than shield slam will cause dead globals is my main concern. Then you could focus more on crit rather than versatility, but I don’t think it’ll make up the rage difference on single target and it will leave you more squishy because rather than gearing for haste/vers you’ll have to gear for haste/crit. So yeah, I’ll be interested to see what other tweaks they make
Yeah, this changes nothing. The rage issues remain, including the 10% nerf to the Proc for shield slam. including the nerf to ignore pain. Nothing has changed. it's still exactly as bad as it was. 8% damage buff does literally nothing.
It's probably more than 8% since shield slam also got buffed + stacks up to 30% and extra thunder blast casts + proc. 4 seconds of avatar proc per minute as well. Also in the changes it says we will still have a 30% chance to proc shield slam off our main offensive abilities. This is definitely not warranting doomer attitude, but we could still use more of course :)
@@KoMag3Ko It can give 2 more now because of the 10% proc they are adding for avatar. So you will press avatar and get 2 stacks and then if you proc avatar you will get 2 more. That’s the change.
@@nitomurray6137 It’s more than that IMO. We got a 7% buff to all damage/healing for every ability basically plus 10% damage buff to shield slam and a variety of others. I would be surprised if this isn’t at least 10%.
What a bullshit clickbait video. The Prot Warr changes are miniscule compared to what would be necessary to get them in a useable spot for high key pushing. Warrior is currently the lowest dps tank. A 5% Buff to their overall dmg won't change that.
@@ragganmore6113 Where are you getting 5% overall from? Also, what is considered usable for high key pushing? Sorry you were let down. I was excited to see changes.
Let me be clear, I'm happy about this cause it's in the right direction but by no means should they stop here. We could still use further rage buffs specifically and some extra utility, but these are significant damage buffs.
shield slam was already stacking up to 30%, its just faster now (3x10% stacks instead of 5x6%), which is not important if you ask me because if you chain pull, you pretty much do not lose that 30% buff ever anyway. Punish 4% DR is questionable too considering we lost cooldown reset of shield slam so keeping punish at 3 stacks is probably very hard in PTR now. 3 stacks of %2 DR is 6% total DR. Let's assume you are now able to keep 2 stacks of Punish, makes it an 8% DR, which is not a huge buff at all. I would say we gained whatever we lost with the rage nerf, minus we won't be able to use our other cool abilities because we have to use IP more. I would say this is still a net negative, just a little bit fixed after the previous rage giganerf.
@@Crabm38 We are not losing the reset of shield slam. Here is a note from the tuning post: [Shield Slam: Devastate, Thunder Clap, Revenge, and Execute have a 30% chance to reset the cooldown of Shield Slam]
So we still have that 30% reset chance on those abilities.
@@TopicxWoW yeah im hoping its not a typo and theyve actually gone back on that change - was the worst offender of the changes for sure imo
Agreed, strategist is huge
@TopicxWoW i assumed it was a typo because it wasn't marked with green i.e. it isn't a change
@@TopicxWoW I'm still sceptical, the nerf was to Devastator (not Devastate) and this just seems like (from the wording) they are rolling Strategist into SS baseline. IDK, I think its just changes for the sake of changes and the playstyle was fine before. I think most of the excess rage they are seeing is coming from Thane procs in AOE situations - as that was a bit too much. It makes no sense to be slowing warriors down when the class seeing the most play in the higher keys is getting a tier set that just makes it faster
Still feels like blizz doesn't understand the rage problem. It's not our base kit that's the issue (albeit some fluff like booming voice etc) , it's mountain thane. I feel like them buffing thunder strike procs just adds more to the imbalance against colossus again ESPECIALLY with colossus main spam being a rage spender vs thane's generator. They really need to add another source of consistent rage to it or colossus will never be a truely serious option.
@@_E_Dizzle_ Yes, I agree. Hero talents have always been imbalanced since they arrived. It’s unfortunate. It’s not that there is a meta, it’s that some are WAY better than others.
Bro you started out like a weatherman on tv 😂
@@americanmambi EMERGENCY UPDATE 🤣
Bro they listened , tell them more feedback in person if you do testing. Give recommendations what to change or improve :3
@@stefanossepsas7985 getting on PTR tomorrow and then giving some feedback
Will be doing the same
I'm not 100% sure what that avatar change is supposed to be saying. We already get 2 charges of Thunder Blast when we hard cast avatar. Maybe is saying the procs we get from lightning strikes will also give us 2 charges of Thunder Blast now, as I think currently they only give one when it procs automatically.
@@dylanlonglands Yes I think so, potentially casting it 4 times in a short period.
Great news!!
I'm super curious if the gameplay actually feels a bit better now. It so slow right now...
It's only getting slower. If you compare retail to ptr, as they are still cutting prots rage generation by a ton.
I'm honestly glad that we're at least getting something. The damage is nice, but my favorite part of playing warrior is the fast gameplay which is what took the hit with the rage Nerf.
@@demontoarch Yes, I wonder if we will just full send haste and ignore every other secondary. Might be more crit and slightly less vers and no mastery.
@TopicxWoW if our damage is as good as with these patch notes say, that might actually be the play.
blizz takes away 5 and gives us back 3 and we celebrate? idk man idgaf about aura buffs. i want the fast playstyle we've enjoyed.
@@muse-less Did you watch the whole video? That’s not accurate.
@@TopicxWoW Yeah I watched enough to hear you call Avatar a tank CD. And that we don't take Punish. Both statements: just wrong.
This isn't much to celebrate for people who liked the fast playstyle. And on top of that, we still will have overall less uptime on our cooldowns and we still will have far fewer rage. 5% aura + shield slam + a few seconds of avatar for Thane doesn't make up for the rest of it, which ball park was around a 10% (at least) nerf to our damage. Just think about it: the gutting of rage gen, especially through strategist resets, has a huge direct impact on Avatar + Shield Wall (via Anger Management) and Indomitable.
They'll have to do a lot more to save prot from whatever arbitrary bullshit made them decide the spec needed to change. Please don't celebrate this "prot warrior at home" condolence prize.
@@muse-less Saying it was a Tank CD was misspeaking, meant to say offensive CD. You're correct, we do take punish. It's just been such a quiet choice node that you don't think about I couldn't remember off the top of my head. I recorded this vid as soon as I saw the news. Long story short is that I'm still happy we got some buffs. We obviously could still use more.
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thanks for this, maybe time to stop preparing prot paladin, war is asi of now so much fun to play
@@hopsicek Warrior > pink class for true chads
Nah this isnt it honestly. With the strategist nerf still baked into the PTR build it still feels terrible to play.
7/36 is 19%, so surely 36->43 is a 19% buff, not a 7% buff?
@@MikeWFX it works out to about 5% is what most content creators are saying. However other things got buffed too especially shield slam and more thunder blasts due to procs. It’s going to turn out to be like a 10% buff ish overall.
these are not HUGE buffs....lol they are being put in line with other tanks as they are falling behind a little on ptr
@@Wudanmaster116 They are huge buffs numerically. I agree they will be more in line now. Keeps the spec viable and not a joke. Very happy about this.
This will make us less dependent on spamming IP and then we can select when to use IP instead!
I still think Colossus will be rage starved but we shall see...
@@americanmambi yep. I’ll hop on PTR this weekend check everything out including in a dungeon
Issue is with the rage nerfs you won’t be able to keep ignore pain up, survivability is going to be the issue on bosses
Ignore pain consume a lot of my warrior rage and transfer to… me.
You can choose to dump more rage into IP and just never weave in damage abilities, which is why I originally thought it would feel more like a damage nerf since we have to prioritize rage into IP even more now. Perhaps thats why they are attempting to buff our damage? I do think these are quite large damage numbers though. 10% on Shield slam, stacking up to 30%, a few extra thunder blasts per minute and some procs. This could perhaps makeup for the less casts of revenge/execute due to little rage. Need to see on PTR later this week.
@@TopicxWoW pooling rage to maintain IP and shield block by ignoring other abilities other than shield slam will cause dead globals is my main concern. Then you could focus more on crit rather than versatility, but I don’t think it’ll make up the rage difference on single target and it will leave you more squishy because rather than gearing for haste/vers you’ll have to gear for haste/crit. So yeah, I’ll be interested to see what other tweaks they make
@@vladtepes490 That’s a good call out, I can see the secondary stats changing slightly forsure. Dead global is my main concern ATM also.
Agreed, dead globals felt TERRIBLE on ptr last week
Yeah, this changes nothing. The rage issues remain, including the 10% nerf to the Proc for shield slam.
including the nerf to ignore pain.
Nothing has changed. it's still exactly as bad as it was.
8% damage buff does literally nothing.
It's probably more than 8% since shield slam also got buffed + stacks up to 30% and extra thunder blast casts + proc. 4 seconds of avatar proc per minute as well. Also in the changes it says we will still have a 30% chance to proc shield slam off our main offensive abilities. This is definitely not warranting doomer attitude, but we could still use more of course :)
Avatar on live already gives 2 stacks of Thunder Blast... bro talking like it's been changed
@@KoMag3Ko It can give 2 more now because of the 10% proc they are adding for avatar. So you will press avatar and get 2 stacks and then if you proc avatar you will get 2 more. That’s the change.
Are wow players mathematically challenged, or has the definition of massive been redefined to "it'll be 5-8% more"?
@@nitomurray6137 It’s more than that IMO. We got a 7% buff to all damage/healing for every ability basically plus 10% damage buff to shield slam and a variety of others. I would be surprised if this isn’t at least 10%.
What a bullshit clickbait video. The Prot Warr changes are miniscule compared to what would be necessary to get them in a useable spot for high key pushing. Warrior is currently the lowest dps tank. A 5% Buff to their overall dmg won't change that.
@@ragganmore6113 Where are you getting 5% overall from? Also, what is considered usable for high key pushing? Sorry you were let down. I was excited to see changes.