That Time the US Military Spent $60 Billion On Something and 1 Day After Completing It Threw It Away
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/ˈnaɪki/ not /ˈnaɪc/, please, like the shoe company, the system was US American.
Nike like high-key, not nike like bike.👍 great video, regardless thanks Simon and crew🤟
Having served in the US military, I can tell you from firsthand experience that the fraud, waste, and abuse is insane. So much money wasted
the end of the fiscal year approaching triggers a default condition of "if we don't spend everything we got this year we won't get as much for next year". Which in reality means wasting billions on new office furniture. 😢
@@jellybean2032 and TVs. And printers, etc. Yeah, it's an insane system
in the USAF in late September, we used to fly 12-14 hour missions doing laps around California just to burn fuel so it wouldn't carry over to the next fiscal year and be deducted from the following year's allotment.
Burn all your ammo on the range, no brass returned to ammo point lol
@@MrNick-og4qm indeed. Though that could be extremely fun.
Sometimes the real missile defense system is the friends we made along the way
Goat comment
Thank you
Indeed. You don't have to outrun the missiles...you just have to outrun your friends... 😈
Simon, as one who was around in the 50s I can tell you categorically that the U.S. surface to air missiles were pronounced with 2 syllables something like ny-(rhymes with "my") key (like the thing that opens a lock). So ny-key. Actually the name comes from Greek mythology. The Greek goddess of victory was named Nike (in Greek nee-kay but in English ny-key). Trust me on this. I was a total geek about anything aerospace.
My dad participated in the last several years of Nike Hercules test launches on the NATO base in Crete. Per his stories, you are definitely correct.
Probably mispronounced it on purpose so the algorithm doesn't think he's talking about shoes
He's talking so quickly i thought he was leaving off the second half of the word to save himself half a second so he can talk faster. I couldn't finish the video.
I served in Nike Ajax and Nike Hercules batteries “protected Chicago-Milwaukee-Gary” in the 60’s and early 70’s (202nd Artillery). Yes, it’s nykee.
@@glenngriffon8032naw, the brits just pronounce it like that for some reason
Small physics correction that most get wrong. Aerodynamic heating is not caused by friction, it is caused by atmospheric compression. Which is why the leading edge where the flow stagnates gets the hottest, not the sides that are sliding through the air with the fastest flow.
See diesel engine compression ignition for a clearer discussion of the thermodynamics of compression heating.
Boyles Law. Charles’ Law. Both made incomprehensible at school but really quite simple. Compress a gas and it gets hot. Expand a gas and it gets cold.
@@davidelliott5843 Yeah. There is a bit more to the complete cycle and the work required or extracted, and quantifying it, but gas gets hot or cold when compressed or expanded is the basic jist.
They test this out in long tunnels with explosives and test targets that are the nose cones or
reentry vehicle. One now at Sandia and a secret one was in the Marin Headlands inside a old bunker they put the explosive tunnel inside.
Been there years ago, after the Great War the place was completely overrun by ghouls, if i remember correctly. You can't even get close without some hefty antiradiation gear.
I see you are man of culture as well
Anyone else suffer a bit from hearing Simon mispronounce Nike a billion times? 😖😂
I swear that he was mispronouncing it just to screw with us. How do you even mispronounce such a common household name as Nike?
Yes you have discovered that Americans pronounce it wrong. To much empathisis on the E.
Nike is an American company. They pronounce the E.
@@Soulja98Nike is also the Greek goddess of victory
@@Soulja98 they are wrong. Just like any American attempting to pronounce aluminum. You prounce it wrong and we correct it. Go figure
And then we have all the ordinary hardware store equipment the US military paid insanely overprices for because the weapons manufacturers told them it was "special equipment".
There’s a video on here of a Sprint test, as Simon says the missile glows within seconds of blast off. When the first stage separates its immediately destroyed by the hypersonic air stream it was exposed to. Apparently the missile was covered in ablative material similar to the heat shield of the Apollo Command Module to protect it from the heat. Whatever the merits of the system it was an incredible piece of engineering!
EDIT Here’s the video! ua-cam.com/video/msXtgTVMcuA/v-deo.html
it's pronounced nī-key. Both the missiles and shoes are named after Niké the greek goddess of victory.
Came here to say that 🙏
The UK pronounces the Nike brand like that which is why he mispronounced it here. If a Brit can mispronounce a foreign word, they will (taco is another egregious one).
@@Virtuous_Rogue What? How do they say taco?
Edit: couldn;t wait and looked it up. Tack-oh 😆
Hahah Americans mis pronounce so many basic words you now know how the rest of the world feels
@@woodchild2093 You mean like aluminum? We pronounce it as it was originally named.
I was at that explosion in Suffield. I was very young and all I really remember is a huge crowd waiting on a hill in expectation, then an explosion, then a shock wave rippling the grass as it came toward us. All these years and I never knew what it was for. Now I know. Thanks, Simon!
FYI Nike is pronounced Ni' Kee - two sylables
nike sounds so much cooler tho. Ni-keyyy always sounds like your goofy 90's sportwear fashion (neon colors, way too big and baggy or something that is basketball related).
i will say nike until i die
Not if you're Glaswegian it's not 😂
Nike missiles and Nike shoes are both named after Nike the goddess of victory.
Take a gander at them moccasins. What kind of skins is them?
What's that writing mean … 'Nee-kay' … what is that, some sort of Injun talk or something?
I pronounce it "shiiit tat"
Notice that the sight was largely underground. Then look at the size of the parking lot, that tells you how big an operation it really was.
Nike..lol...its pronounced NI-KEY
The Nike missiles are pronounced 'nigh-key' (think: shoes)
'Fuck ya' is Australian for 'fuck you'
What you're looking for is 'fuck yeah'
It isn't hard to understand why Congress would allocate the funds for a project, and then cancel it upon completion. One need only reflect that the sole purpose of the Military-Industrial Complex that Eisenhower warned us of, is to further enrich already-wealthy defense contractors and their shareholders. This is the basis for most of the American economy, IMO. We MUST defend ourselves against the wraiths invented by the MIC.
Ugh. They would've been awesome systems and well worth it if they hadn't been rendered obsolete so quickly by the rapid advances in offensive systems. Not everything is a conspiracy.
Thank the gods, I'm not the only person who remembers Ike's warning.
True except it’s not most of the economy, US Defense Budget is approximately 3.5% of GDP to put that in perspective at the end of WW2 US Defense spending was nearly 40% of US GDP, currently healthcare spending far surpasses defense spending, now there is overlap between the military industrial complex and the pharmaceutical industrial complex but they’re 2 separate monsters
This is a worldwide problem. And sadly since we commoners have no power, there's nothing we can do against the industrial money-making machine.
@@aq5426 I remember it well, and I cite it often. Dwight David Eisenhower was the last Republican I had ANY respect for.
I cant watch this, my OCD is pinging off my brain every time he says Nike wrong.
The US will spend a billion dollars putting a laser inside a 747 but they won't spend anything to make a protection program for the people that help us.
They'll spend even more than that to spy on you.
Sad that the Nike Sprint missles aren't mentioned - they were an absolutely insane compilation of engineering feats especially when you consider they started development about 75 YEARS AGO!
10x the speed of sound under 4 seconds with even semi-accurate guidance would still push the highest quality and mozt modern material, chemical, and geolocation/tracking science and technology to the brink.
Nike Sprint deserves its own episode. You gotta look into it!!!!
what? The pentagon wasting and misplacing vast amounts of money, say it aint so.
I not only lived on the base in Nekoma as a child and went to school there due to my father being one of the civilians who worked in the pyramid but, I toured the inside of it several times while it was active and being shut down. My dad coined the phrase "The greatest monument to the stupidity of mankind" when asked about it for an article. :) I believe I still have a picture of myself standing under one of the radar ports from on the inside.
The downside of getting history from a short youtube video. While Simon does a great job, there is even more to this. Politicians negotiated this program away with the Soviets. Rather like the whole Star wars program it served to ratchet down tensions.
Overall, the concept of technology overtaking current planning is not new. When France introduced a small bore smokeless powder rifle in the 1880s it set off a panic in every country, including those who had just adopted a .40- .45 caliber black powder rifle as their primary arm.
And while this is hard to really demonstrate due to secrecy surrounding those projects, those ABM projects actually quite pushed the limits of existing technology, including computing and phased array radars. While the direct results of the project may be small and overtaken by political events, important parts of the underlying technology live on, and are in everyday use, both in the military as for civilian purposes.
It so happens I know one of the people who designed the system which handled the phased array radar, and while many of the details of that are still under wraps, an 'open source' reconstruction of the design has been undertaken, and lets just say it was about 30 years ahead of anything commercially available at the time (eventho it was based on a commercial system from that era)
Those things are never really simple.
Simon, Nike is pronounced like this. Ni Kee.
Thank gods our health care is top notch, our roads and bridges are pristine, and our schools couldn't be better...
@raccattacc247 *that's* socialism?! I thought socialism was only having one brand of mayonnaise!
You should do a video on the SAGE system (Semi Automatic Ground Environment). A system of networked regional air command and control centers for NORAD that brought in radar from 1/4th of the US, digitized and displayed on consoles.
At the time (1950s) it was the most ambitious computer system ever built and they had to figure out how to get a computer to do what they wanted it to do and just how to go about shuttling data over huge distances far in advance of any kind of ethernet networks.
It could be argued that the SAGE system is what ushered in our modern computers. The lessons learned in building SAGE were used to build military and civilian computers for the next two decades or more. It was so heavily classified NOBODY knew it even existed.
As a young airman in the mid 80s I worked in its successor system built next to the original SAGE building at McChord and was one of the ones tasked with ripping out all the old hardware. The computer was HUGE!! floor after floor of magnetic memory, tubes, relays wires and other things I don't even know what they were.
I remember when the US military spent a lot of money studying the Frisbee.
Last week?
The Avrocar? It was a Canadian / U.S. project.
Except, I doubt you actually remember it like the story actually was. They weren't using actual "Frisbees." They were using the term "frisbee" as a generic term to describe the devices and it was a project to find a cheaper alternative to the flares being used at the time. Seeing how this was in the 1960s, I wonder how much of it you actually remember.
@@timothyhouse1622 I was born in 1957.
@@timothyhouse1622 You're gonna need medical attention for that burn.
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Such a massive waste of money
hey look the thing from fallout 4
There was a Nike Missile Base next to my Grandfather's farm in Wisconsin, USA. It closed in 1970. P
That facility in Cavalier County, ND is active. It always was active. The cancelling of the program was just a cover. If you show up at the site. All the facilities and equipment still exist intact. If you snoop around Air Force security will show up and shoo you away. Then black Suburbans will follow your vehicle for miles and miles.
I already designed a better military rifle.
You don't need it.
You already have one that works.
It’s pronounced (nigh-key) lol, great video love it
Like the shoe
Imagine growing up with these crazy threats hanging over your head... wait, I did just that!
Was it just me, or was Simon speaking a lot faster than normal?
Yup
Nike is pronounced "Nigh-key" (it's Greek).
And this particular Nike system is American, where we’ve never rhymed it with Mike. That would be like saying “Sorry Jose. I know you’re Mexican, but I’m gonna keep pronouncing your name as Joe’s because… well, I’m not Mexican!”
love the yanks going on about correct pronunciation of Nike. he's from the UK that's how they say it.
“We don’t have the money for universal healthcare”.
The US spends around 1.77 trillion on the military. Meanwhile, the school lunch debt is 262 million with 30 million kids unable to pay for the lunches.
That's 262,000,000 vs 1,770,000,000,000,000. And that's just one of the many problems the "best country on the earth'" has. The "Home of the Free" has a system where over 30 can't afford their school lunches.
But they need more tax dollars.... Full accounting, and every overpaid member of Congress (ie, ALL of them) gives back everything over 30k annually, including every "donation" from a lobbyist or similar, and THEN we'll talk about tax increases after that's tossed at the national debt for a decade or so.
You are mispronouncing NIKE fact boy
If you are going to mispronounce Nike, then let’s go all out and just call the defensive missile system the Nike-Zee-us! 😅
And if your an American you now know how the rest of the world feels when you lot mis pronounce so many words
@@woodchild2093ha ha ! You must be from (let me make sure I pronounce it correctly) Great (rhymes with sweat) Bri-tane!.😂 Oh and the Greeks pronounced the goddess with a long E on the end. So does the sporting good company! A little research wouldn’t hurt. Makes you look a little smarter anyway.
@woodchild2093 the brits are the absolute worst for butchering foreign words. Jaguar, Porsche, Citroen, Dacia, Taco, Pasta, Bidet, Valet, Garage, etc.
You completely ingore the language of origin and how it was originally produced. Americans also butcher some things. Like for example the name of the Kia Sportage but they certainly make more of an effort to pronounce things like how they originated than the british who appear to make no effort at all
most of the video, you pronounced "Nike" wrong.
Simon I’ve heard you refer to the shoes as Nye-ck too, it’s Nye-key.
Safeguard was a US Army system. Earlier on USAF and Boeing developed the BOMARC SAM system which suffered similar cost overruns, missed deadlines and reduction of scope but was actually deployed in the US and Canada. It was independent of the Army system because - well the Air Force didn't want to be involved with an Army project.
It was eventually cancelled for similar reasons: the threats it was designed to counter had been replaced by different ones.
I used to work for a company that subcontracted computing designs for BOMARC (well before my time) and as far as I could tell, the Air Force money was well spent in advancing computer design and techniques during the 1950's.
I kept going "it's pronounced Nike! Like the shoe!" 😂
Simon I hate to do this to you but the Nike missiles are pronounced just like the shoe brand or the Greek goddess... I swear I'm going to have an aneurysm.
While the memory of ABM and all the discussions around it have faded a lot; seeing a Sprint launch on the CBS Evening News won't. Even in slow motion it was unbelievably quick. I'm not even sure if seen in real life one could believe their eyes as that missile shot up.
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Your videos have changed lately. You speak fast and take no pauses. I’ve been following several of your channels for a decade and they now just seem mass produced. You’re no longer as captivating.
Simon has gills under that beard so he doesn’t have to breathe when talking. That’s why he’s called Whistler.
Please please please! Create/ research a video on the first video game console creator Ralph H. Bear creating the Magnavox Odyssey in 1972 the very first game console pre-cursoring the Atari game console!
Here’s the add for its pre-cursoring pong , duck shooting, pac-man and many more! ua-cam.com/video/jLGBtkKPj2U/v-deo.html
You should not believe everything you hear on the internet.
Great now do the Littoral Combat Ship.
I used to live near Sharpner's Pond in Massachusetts. This was long after the ABM site planned for that location was canceled, and nothing remained of the project except for a road that led to Sharpner's Pond Park and dead-ended there. The road is used by maybe a half-dozen or so park visitors per day. Well worth $60 billion.
Wait i recognise this thing from fallout 4
It's pronounced nik "e" like the shoe.
1:25 The Glowing Sea...
Love it I was thinking Fall Out 4 to
Ny Kee missles please pronounce it like an American!
The pronunciation is actually Greek
American system, named by Americans, who get the privilege of deciding how it’s pronounced. 👍
6:46 wtf was that sound effect for? 👀😨
"They threw it" sez the title...threw it were Simon?
*WE MUST KNOW*
Threw it *where*, you mean??
@@JBrd79yes. But he already edited the title...curses
That Time the US Military Spent $60 Billion On Something and 1 Day After Completing It Threw It Away ......... thats called Tuesday!
I'm only liking this because SQUARESPACE was mentioned
The music is too loud. Hard to concentrate on what you are saying.
I lived somewhat close to that concrete blob. And the countryside around where I lived was dotted with underground ICBM silos. I never worried too much about what I'd do if we went to war with Russia, I'd just a tiny bit of glowing green glass in a large field of glowing green glass ;) All those silos are gone now too, but I wouldn't bet the locations aren't still targeted.
Why waste a 50 million dollar Missile on an abandoned hole in the ground in the middle of nowhere?
Why indeed? Ukraine has shown us that Russia may well just hit every target on their list - regardless of military of strategic value. Bakhmut for example. Then there’s the 10 tanks sent in a line to hit a bunker. They all get destroyed so send 10 more. Ideally at the same time of day. Keep going until you have no more tanks.
@@Matt-yg8ub I think the minuteman missiles were more than $50M, even in those bigger dollar days ;) But they were in the middle of nowhere because from there they could still reach their targets in Russia or wherever, and no large cities would be damaged if the silos were themselves hit by enemy missiles.
Those silos are still in ND. I drive past one every day on my way to work. The 91st Missile Wing out of Minot AFB looks after 150 Minutemen IIIs around here.
@@andrealauer4493 I suppose the number were just reduced. I know the ones around where I used to live, further East in the state, are gone. There used to be a few you could see from the highways and they've been gone for ages. But I'm sure those were under the control of the Grand Forks AFB :)
You Brits OBJECTIVELY pronounce Nike wrong. It is "Ny-key". It is the Greek god of Victory, and the Greeks pronounce it the same way as US English does, like "Ny-key". Please google it for proof. Drives me nuts that Brits refuse to pronounce this right...
Absolute waste
But we cant afford things like school budgets....
I understand they work on different budgets, but maybe some should be lowered and others should be raised...
That or you're really gunna have to dumb down the trigger systems on new weapons 😅
Hey Simon I've got two ideas for this channel that I think would be interesting, cause controversy and would bring many comments. The history and origins of both punk rock and hip-hop. An episode for each I think it would be hilarious you not being a big music guy. Take care and keep up great work!
Ohhhh, you may of heard about stuff left behind after various conflicts, I was in Afghanistan in 21, stuff that was left behind, mind-blowing
LOL wasn't expecting the Langdon pyramid to be discussed in this video 😂
Nodak doesn't have a lot, but what we have is pretty standard 🤣
I would never spend twelve minutes talking about Worcestershire sauce mispronouncing the name - intentionally!! - just because I grew up in the US. So please bear in mind that this Nike (NYE-key) system was not British, and has an American pronunciation. Sorry Simon, I usually love all of your videos, but I couldn’t sit through more than four minutes of you butchering this name repeatedly. Ugh… It’s particularly disappointing because I was really looking forward to seeing your video on this subject.
Lol happens way more than you think. Projects have a high fail rate. Lol sixty billion is lots but I guarantee failed throw it away projects are in trillions over the years
Lol to all complaining about his pronunciation. He don't care and its amazing he even got a degree. Lol he tries saying oh its way us English pronounce it but not once ever when he mispronounces died Oxford dictionary or The Queen's English agree with him. He will also purposely mispronounce things such as Nike. Lol he knows full well how its pronounced. Nike ads galore in EU and its the hottest brand in Czech Rep.
The last point, about ABM research and adoption driving diplomatic solutions is very true.
Likewise, the Reagan era buildup (especially the Strategic Defense Initiative, AKA "Star Wars") fully succeeeded in its purpose - the Soviet Union went broke trying to keep up, which helped drive the collapse of the USSR and reducing the threat to the West without firing a shot.
So called "soft" power is inportant. But to make it work, you need the underlying and *plausible* threat of "hard" power to back it up and encourage your adversaries not to reach for their military as the Easy Button to resolve disputes with you.
I am seeing a lot of comments decrying the waste of money spent on these defensive systems. First of all, realize that a lot of technological development comes out of military spending. The Internet itself is the result of US military research into decentralized communication systems. The video mentions DARPA. The Internet came from technology developed as DARPANet. Secondly, try to imagine what the world would be like if Britain, France, and the USSR had spent enough money to deter Hitler and Mussolini, and the US to deter Tojo. Think about how many millions of lives would have been saved. Would there have been a Cold War requiring the development of the systems discussed in the video? Maybe some historian could it figure out, but such a world is beyond my imagination. Like it or not, and personally I don't like it, we have to maintain adequate military spending to deter aggression.
The TITLE is misleading. You can't use 2023 DOLLAR value to criticize the cost of something decades ago. That fact can be in the body of the video, but to put it into the title is dishonest. We can all criticize boondoggles of the past, but the value calculated for inflation is never the TITLE of the piece.
Your videos are professional and interesting with delightful British dry wit. However, could you please omit background music in your videos? It detracts and interfers with your rather pacy barrage of information. It would be a shame to clutter your impeccable delivery. Thank you.
Ugh, you're story is great but your mispronunciation is driving me insane! Nike is pronounced "Nigh-Key," not the one syllable word that rhymes with "bike" like you keep saying.
“…we nonetheless should proceed with the fallout shelter program.” Seems the Vault-Tec lobbyists were hard at work. 🤓👨🔬
this was a time when congress killed a lot of impressive programs but this one in particular was just too impractical as a shield and they saw that everybody would be fighting to have one, forcing an expensive buildup of missile shields that didn't really work
Yeeeeeaaaa, it hits my ears wrong too but its not the first time we've gone through this. 🤦🏽♂️
Don't like the music in the background - So dramatic - Guess that's for our American brothers and sisters - It seem's all their Docs have Dramatic Music in the back ground, which is odd and annoying at time's.
Using compression with short recovery time can make your many softer syllables more audible. Perhaps slowing down a bit would mitigate the need for this, make your audio editing easier, and increase intelligibility. I hope you decide against adding flicker. It’s distracting and can make visually disabled viewers unable to watch certain parts.
Bruh, but Russia just invented hypersonic missiles!
Noice video Simon!
It's pronounced Nik - eee, like the shoes.
Nicky the Missile ?
Musical background is terribly distracting and does not match the unusual cadence of Simon's speech. I don't recall this so pronounced before. Can't finish
The intermittent flashing, along the left side of the video, is extremely annoying. So much so that I won’t finish this video and I’m unsubscribing.
4:06 - You can hear and see that Whistler has absolutely no idea (or interest in) what he's just said, when he rambles through some of the supposed highlights of the complex, "...incorporating some of the latest large-scale applications of the then-new technologies of transistors and modular architecture".
If this system drove the Soviets to accept the SALT treaty, then it might have been money well spent instead of making more and newer missile defense systems
Have to admit, the title led me to expect the Sgt. York antiaircraft system.
The editor LOVED the background music on this one. I can barely hear Simon.
Hey, can you guys tone down (or better, completely get rid of) the background music? It's distracting as hell and adds no value. It doesn't even seem to go with the content.
In the 60s went on a tour of a Nike-Herc coastal air defense station at Norfolk. Pretty cool, they flubbed the reload though. I was maybe 6.
Look i get having to run adds and having a video sponsorship. It makes sense. But I just had UA-cam feed me 2 unskippable adds before vid, then it was the sponsor section which is fine but as soon as that was over it hit me with 2 more adds I couldn’t skip lol.
Pyramid shaped building in America, what's the bet there are conspiracies out there saying the Egyptians built it lol.
My father was an advisor in Korea and later assigned to a Nike missile unit. I was a young boy then. When Vietnam erupted he transferred to the 1st Air Calvary as an advisor. Unfortunately he died in 1972 as a result of the war so I never knew the details of his career. And it’s Nike like the shoes.
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Hi Simon, everyone has come on the comments to tell you you're pronouncing Nike wrong so I won't. Instead can I ask you to stop using the word advancements when what you mean is advances. Just because a word is longer doesn't mean it makes you sound cleverer.
Reimagine this system without a warhead. Utilizing magnetic hypervelocity weapons or solid state lasers in flight before retrieving the reusable booster and radar housing complex after interception instead
The U.S. military spends nearly 42 million a year on viagra, for some reason.
Insert Illuminati joke here. That radar pyramid looks like the all-seeing eye 😂 Wonder who was behind the design?
Stop with the lense flare. It is annoying. Stopped watchin. Disliked.