If the plane hadn’t gone straight instead of turning the outcome would’ve been totally different…. Probably more damaged and more people will die… Watch the video again… the plane went straight to the outside of the runway…
the plane didn't hit the concrete wall. It stopped before that. It hit a concrete pad which supported the localizer antenna array. I would have been better if that concrete pad were not there, but strictly speaking, it was far enough away from the end of the runway according to ICAO rules (requirement is 150 meters and it was 250 meters. 300 meters is recommended but not required and plenty of airports have obstacles closer than that). All runways eventually have some kind of hard structure or dangerous terrain if you go far enough off the end of the runway
@@sbreheny OP is talking about the barrier supporting the ILS array, not the concrete wall surrounding the airport. It's not normal to have it built this way irrespective of ICAO rules, Long Beach airport is older and the closest barrier to the runways, if a plane doesn't stop on time, is about 1 km away, not 1/4 of the distance as in this newer airport. The housing community is far away and the barrier could be placed closer to it without risking their lives, the airport property is also cut by a public road which could be an underpass, giving even more space in case of emergency. Like the Titanic more than a century ago demonstrated, going by the rules isn't enough, airport designers and administrators should be one step ahead as retrofitting such big projects in case they change are costly and met with opposition.
Everybody was alive until they hit that barrier erected at the airport, and there was another wall after that. It's very clear what caused the deaths. Bird strikes or whatever caused the accident but the barrier caused the deaths.
Just like to say to the korean authorities : i) bird strikes do not cause planes to burst into flames, ii) whatever pilot errors committed, the plane landed safely. Please conduct fairest findings and dont blame the innocent and the dead. The pilots lost their lives, its very painful for their families to have the added insult to injury.
Всё подстроено массонами. Азербайджанский самолёт потерпел крушение в Казахстане, хотя его цель была сделать посадку в Грозном. Не дозволили сделать посадку, и указали упасть в Каспийское море, но пилоты не дали такой возможности. Пилотов убили намерено. Где-то 29 пассажиров из 69 выжили.
When will officials blame the concrete wall and not things like bird strikes and landing gear issues? The plane landed safely without landing gear and if there was no wall the outcome would’ve been much different. They just needed more space, the wall was the issue. May they all rest in peace this was so tragic :( ❤
Something caused the belly landing and it is important to figure that out. Even if the concrete pad were not there, the plane probably would not have stopped before going off the grounds of the airport and there still would have been fatalities most likely. The belly landing was nice and level but it was very far down the runway which is why it couldn't stop in time. These kinds of incidents never have just one factor.
It is unusual to do a police raid of the offices of an airport and airline. Also strange that the initial blame was put on the airplane when the emergency landing reported 2 days before the crash was for medical reasons and not aircraft related. It isn't the 737 MAX, I smell a case of corruption and mismanagement, and I think they already know more about the case than is being told to the public.
It's impossible to find words to describe the feeling of knowing that all those people were on the ground and alive and all that had to happen was for the plane to come to rest. No matter the quality of airmanship or decision making that went in to the landing no one can argue that the plane made a nice belly landing on the center line of the runway. For now no one knows what the situation was with the plane, and the crew had to deal with it, possibly surrounded by smoke. Perhaps the cockpit or a crew member was compromised by injury. The decision to construct that obstruction at the end of the runway was probably taken from behind a comfortable desk or at a meeting room with all the time in the world to think about it... the crew may not have had the luxury of time. We shall see...
I don't get this. Let's say there's a pilot error. That plane would have more survivor if not for that reinforced concrete at the end of the runway! The airline had nothing to do with it. They should be questioning whoever controls the airport.
Correct. People are fallible so pilot errors will be made during an emergency situation and there is also deliberate so every runway in the world must have a solution for that so a sufficient overrun off both ends to be enforced on all existing not just new runways. With proven stopping technology.
Fair enough, but when there is a technical failure, the aircraft maker should be questioned, too. Boeing is known for hiding information about safety issues.
@@beot-kkot Obviously. Just because one problem is identified doesn't mean you stop there and exclusively blame it. I'm not blaming the pilot though because even if they made a mistake it would have been a genuine one. You don't fly through storms but birds are somewhat unavoidable and if the plane becomes compromised...they landed it so did a good job. If neither engine was working and they glide landed they deserve medals. It does look that way. They make it look easy landing in high cross winds all the time because they are professionals. Car safety has come a long long way but aircraft is way behind.
Watch the video again…. The wall was on the other side of the runway… the plane was supposed to turn left but instead, the plane went straight to the wall which was outside the runway
@@Horizon-d9g Think they were on both ends though so made no difference. One was one too many so to put them on both ends. If we put this is to perspective ten times this number died in car accidents every year in Korea and every country. Life is dangerous. We need to respect life and don't take for granted every day we have and when others leave make sure we do not have a heavy heart because it is those who survive who suffer the most.
The airport itself was built next to a bird sanctuary so there will always be migratory birds flying around. They should also investigate if the airport has a procedure/process to manage the birds off the runways. What about that concrete structure? It was ultimately the main reason why 179 instantly perished.
This is one good example of 'what were they thinking?' in the safety aspects of that particular airport. Actually - the world is probably to blame here too - because surely world aviation authorities should have called this one out ages ago - and that bollard-equivalent wall would have been gone.
Imagine the initial “relieve” the passengers onboard might have felt when the plane was on level ground ONLY for it to explode on impact from a reinforced CONCRETE wall they didn’t know the aircraft was heading towards… It was an unfortunate chain of events that lead to this tragedy. HOWEVER, the reinforced CONCRETE WALL was the the DEFINING reason why these passengers are dead! Somebody High up there in the management hierarchy was probably trying to scrimp on money instead of evaluting the overall safety of crucial Airport infrastructures.
Fatigue is not only on man, how many trips were done by the'crew? Plane suffered stress too. Same with driving, body is prone to stress. Decision making is affected. Plane descent was too fast, why? What was the wall for?
Plane landed fast because they lost one engine. If both were operating, they could be used to slow the plane down with reverse thrust. Too much fuel on board. Heavier aircraft, harder to slow down. Rushed entry. The one in America that landed safely had time to circle the airport many times to bleed away its speed. Honestly, just go watch some of the expert commentary videos on the crash if you are curious. Instead of dreaming up probable scenarios all on your own.
… likely because someone there probably signed off on a concrete structure at the end of a runway that actually resulted in the fatalities in this case, despite the pilots heroic landing. 🤔 Just guessing.
It's not going to be just for the construction records that a raid would be carried out. That information is aged from year 2007. The government would want to most likely, in this tragic context, get at logs on paper and in data devices, on computer servers, and make sure evidence is not tampered with. Isolation of sir traffic controllers to limit coaching, too, may be needed, since this case is so high profile. Recall the 2013 crash at SFO and cockoit power dynamics. The chaebol daughter nutrage scene. Sewol Ferry disaster. Currently, Gwangju, Muan, and a Jeolla-area airport all for years have been in an on-and-off-again tussle over integration of facilities for the duration of (and maybe beyond) creation of or modification of an area military airfield. From what I read in an online report updated at around 14:00 hours on 29 Dec 2024, Muan appears to be the prime staller refusing to go along with the integration process. It had wanted to be only a commercial, domestic airport, then became international, but steadfastly wanted to keep the military out, reportedly due to noise generated by mil aircraft ops. Given that Korea generally has a top-down militaristic hierarchy and fierce clan (biz, industry, mil, faction, etc) loyalties in many areas, a raid often has to be done so the DA or Supreme Prosecutor can preserve information before it's moved, destroyed, or corrupted. That's just human behavior when the stakes are incredibly high. There's some speculation that given the recent two impeachments, the pilots could have been up watching news instead of sleeping. One B-737 pilot or an industrial engineer on UA-cam pointed that when a person has only 4 hours of sleep, said person is *1600 times* as likely to be involved in/cause a crash. Unfortunately, in Korea, all too many people do NOT get enough sleep. Ppballi-ppballi can kill. It kills domestic and imported labor, in train starions, offices, and elsewhere. Any audio transcripts will shed light on how interactive the tower was with the plane in efforts to coordinate a safe approach, flap configuration, and positioning, as well as proper procedure adherance for Pan Pan and Mayday calls (worldwide, some or many ATCs defer if pilots don't furnish enough information), and whether current runway configuration/obstruction information was relayed, I presume.
The reports said that when the camera captured smoke indicating ingestion in the right engine, the plane was actually climbing to do a go around BEFORE the ingestion...so something else caused the plane to cancel its approach...another thing that I am skeptical is how certain are we of bird strike? Could be drone cos why would the camera focus on it before the smoke came out? We cannot assume from one unknown source as that would be like the telephone party game, to assume every speculation as fact. They should question the cameraman cos he is the key witness to see what actually happened BEFORE the base final landing approach...
There is a serious issue in many Asian countries. "Saving face" culture is rife and it should be widely criticised. Especially when it comes to industries like aviation. I live in asia and it is by far the thing that irritates me the most. Saving face takes precedent over the truth and even safety. It's infuriating tbh
The recent Korean Muan Airport disaster was neither due to the pilot's fault, nor due to Jeju Air's maintenance errors, nor the defects in the Boeing aircraft. The issue began with a former politician from the Korean Democratic Party, who was appointed CEO of the airport by former President Moon Jae-in in what many considered a political favor. Despite having no experience in airport operations, he insisted on installing a wall at the end of the runway, disregarding the opposition to this decision. Secondly, the Democratic Party of Korea, which controls the National Assembly, unconditionally cut all budgets, including those for airport safety, as part of its political strategy. To cover up their mistakes, they use the term 'Jeju Air disaster' instead of 'Muan Airport disaster.' The National Assembly has entirely impeached the South Korean government, and there is no control tower to manage the situation. Thirdly, the conspiracy theories surrounding the Muan Airport incident seem convincing when we look at who stands to gain from this disaster. The Democratic Party of Korea, which controls the National Assembly, is trying to cover up increasing suspicions regarding President Yoon's illegal arrest warrant, Prime Minister Han's illegal impeachment, and electoral fraud.
They had better have some very serious answers, a bird strike is a small thing, one engine shutting down is another small thing, an airplane has many back-ups, they can manually bring down the wheels and flaps, never happened! Was there a fight in the cockpit, has happened before on a Korean flight, the worst of hierarchy in Korea is subordinance!
do u realise, that manual stuff for landing gear is BEHIND the pilot seats??? they obviously have A LOT OF problems to deal with in the cabin, it is not that simple,especially when they only had few seconds to do everything
1:02 I am concerned about Boeing hiding critical information about aircraft accidents. I wonder why should the black box be handled to the U.S. Then, I read that South Korea's deputy minister for civil aviation, Joo Jong-wan, said “the damaged flight data recorder has been deemed unrecoverable for data extraction domestically. It was agreed today to transport it to the United States for analysis in collaboration with the US National Transportation Safety Board." According to Le Monde, «Joo said both of the plane's black boxes were retrieved, and for the cockpit voice recorder, "the initial extraction has already been completed." Based on this preliminary data, "we plan to start converting it into audio format," he said, meaning investigators would be able to hear the pilots' final communications. The second black box, the flight data recorder, "was found with a missing connector," Joo said. "Experts are currently conducting a final review to determine how to extract data from it.» 🤷🏻♀️
I feel sad and I feel the pain to the family and friends that is unbelievable tragedy that happened to their loved ones it's hard to accept it. they don't deserve that. if only life could be restored. It's traumatizing when I watch over and over again. the pilot he should thought immediately what to do and think make a way landing correctly and he make sure the passengers are safe they would still be alive today, there is a possibility that he can save the passengers. Maybe the pilot he just panicked. he was able to landing but it turns out that only a concrete walls will end a person's life. it's not the Jeju Air CEO's fault or the one who built a concrete wall. the pilot made a mistake landing he hit the walls. condolences to the bereaved family.😔
It had nothing to do with a bird strike, landing gear problems or other systems. It had everything to do with an incompetent crew and incompetent transportation ministry that allowed building a reinforced burm at the end of the runway. Never flying to Korea.
@@samanthalee9839 Experts already warned about migratory birds on that area so it's not suitable for airport prior to the building of Muan Airport. Also, in May 2024, there was already a report of that wall that shouldn't be there upon inspection. It was only 21 days after the opening of international flights that this disaster happened. It wasn't recommended to open for international flights after scientific findings. The officials and local govt should be investigated after all its shortcomings or incompetence.
@redgrant4897 You are one of 2 things… 1st possibility is that you are an aircraft manufacturer/aircraft carrier plant who has been tasked with providing disinformation and misdirecting responsibility. True, the explosion was caused by the plane’s impact with the wall. However, had the landing gear as well as the hydraulic brakes been functioning correctly then the wall would still be intact. 2nd possibility is that you are an internet troll 🧌 who’s using the untimely death of 179 people to score some type of internet clout or deal with some type of personal grievance. Either case, you should be ashamed of yourself. Respect the people who lost their lives, respect the families that loved them and if you can’t do that, just shut up!
@@samanthalee9839 The little 🐦 that was sucked in to the engine is also the little 🐦 that caused the massive 737-800 to rocket in to reinforced burm at 150 MPH? No, little bird 🐥 says, "I got cooked but it isn't a, "compressor stall" the engine still working. You also still have hydraulics. Use the small emergency cables to the left of F/O's seat to drop the gear with gravity; so, you can then use the good foot breaks when landing and don't have to skid for 2 miles and crash in to an immovable wall that should no be there." Poor little 🐥. It is so sad.
E muita dor dos que ficaram pra receber a noticia tão funestas por favor de nome pra gente orar para os que estao e os que foram nossas condolencias😢❤🎉🎉🎉🎉
It's not going to be just for the construction records that a raid would be carried out. That information is aged from year 2007. The government would want to most likely, in this tragic context, get at logs on paper and in data devices, on computer servers, and make sure evidence is not tampered with. Isolation of sir traffic controllers to limit coaching, too, may be needed, since this case is so high profile. Recall the 2013 crash at SFO and cockoit power dynamics. The chaebol daughter nutrage scene. Sewol Ferry disaster. Currently, Gwangju, Muan, and a Jeolla-area airport all for years have been in an on-and-off-again tussle over integration of facilities for the duration of (and maybe beyond) creation of or modification of an area military airfield. From what I read in an online report updated at around 14:00 hours on 29 Dec 2024, Muan appears to be the prime staller refusing to go along with the integration process. It had wanted to be only a commercial, domestic airport, then became international, but steadfastly wanted to keep the military out, reportedly due to noise generated by mil aircraft ops. Given that Korea generally has a top-down militaristic hierarchy and fierce clan (biz, industry, mil, faction, etc) loyalties in many areas, a raid often has to be done so the DA or Supreme Prosecutor can preserve information before it's moved, destroyed, or corrupted. That's just human behavior when the stakes are incredibly high. There's some speculation that given the recent two impeachments, the pilots could have been up watching news instead of sleeping. One B-737 pilot or an industrial engineer on UA-cam pointed that when a person has only 4 hours of sleep, said person is *1600 times* as likely to be involved in/cause a crash. Unfortunately, in Korea, all too many people do NOT get enough sleep. Ppballi-ppballi can kill. It kills domestic and imported labor, in train starions, offices, and elsewhere. Any audio transcripts will shed light on how interactive the tower was with the plane in efforts to coordinate a safe approach, flap configuration, and positioning, as well as proper procedure adherance for Pan Pan and Mayday calls (worldwide, some or many ATCs defer if pilots don't furnish enough information), and whether current runway configuration/obstruction information was relayed, I presume.
Whilst passengers will have been scared and hyperandrenalised it was only for 10 minutes and is the body's own defense against things like pain. Panic attacks are not serious injuries and no comparison and neither would a heart attack which would take the attention away from the situation you were in. That is the nicest way to go when your time is over. Nobody suffered to any excess we all will experience one day. The world needs to learn from this so they did not perish in vain. And subsequently save future lives. And suffering.
“Investigation to the cause”? Sure. But “Responsibility” - obviously the concrete structure! Fatalities caused upon impact with it, not a moment before. Utterly tragic outcome and devastating for the families who lost their loved ones.
Without the concrete barrier, the outcome would've been totally different
If the plane hadn’t gone straight instead of turning the outcome would’ve been totally different…. Probably more damaged and more people will die…
Watch the video again… the plane went straight to the outside of the runway…
The barrier is there for a reason. It’s also a barrier to a nearby housing community which prevented more loss of life
the plane didn't hit the concrete wall. It stopped before that. It hit a concrete pad which supported the localizer antenna array. I would have been better if that concrete pad were not there, but strictly speaking, it was far enough away from the end of the runway according to ICAO rules (requirement is 150 meters and it was 250 meters. 300 meters is recommended but not required and plenty of airports have obstacles closer than that). All runways eventually have some kind of hard structure or dangerous terrain if you go far enough off the end of the runway
@@sbreheny OP is talking about the barrier supporting the ILS array, not the concrete wall surrounding the airport. It's not normal to have it built this way irrespective of ICAO rules, Long Beach airport is older and the closest barrier to the runways, if a plane doesn't stop on time, is about 1 km away, not 1/4 of the distance as in this newer airport. The housing community is far away and the barrier could be placed closer to it without risking their lives, the airport property is also cut by a public road which could be an underpass, giving even more space in case of emergency. Like the Titanic more than a century ago demonstrated, going by the rules isn't enough, airport designers and administrators should be one step ahead as retrofitting such big projects in case they change are costly and met with opposition.
@@jeanvillaverde5191 It's a bad design nonetheless
Everybody was alive until they hit that barrier erected at the airport, and there was another wall after that. It's very clear what caused the deaths. Bird strikes or whatever caused the accident but the barrier caused the deaths.
Its either way no chance for plane to stop even if it wasn't that wall
Just like to say to the korean authorities : i) bird strikes do not cause planes to burst into flames, ii) whatever pilot errors committed, the plane landed safely. Please conduct fairest findings and dont blame the innocent and the dead. The pilots lost their lives, its very painful for their families to have the added insult to injury.
The pilots were also over worked which is not safe and can lead to errors. The bosses who over worked them are not innocent nor are they dead.
The stupid concrete wall. That's some outstanding Korean engineering.
Всё подстроено массонами. Азербайджанский самолёт потерпел крушение в Казахстане, хотя его цель была сделать посадку в Грозном. Не дозволили сделать посадку, и указали упасть в Каспийское море, но пилоты не дали такой возможности. Пилотов убили намерено. Где-то 29 пассажиров из 69 выжили.
💯💯💯💯💯 Its really awful how people are talking about the pilots, before they have even been proven to have done anything wrong. 😤
@@H.A.T.E_C.H.I.N.K_Lyncher_SB Your name really says a lot about you... 🙄🤦♀️
When will officials blame the concrete wall and not things like bird strikes and landing gear issues? The plane landed safely without landing gear and if there was no wall the outcome would’ve been much different. They just needed more space, the wall was the issue. May they all rest in peace this was so tragic :( ❤
Something caused the belly landing and it is important to figure that out. Even if the concrete pad were not there, the plane probably would not have stopped before going off the grounds of the airport and there still would have been fatalities most likely. The belly landing was nice and level but it was very far down the runway which is why it couldn't stop in time. These kinds of incidents never have just one factor.
It is unusual to do a police raid of the offices of an airport and airline. Also strange that the initial blame was put on the airplane when the emergency landing reported 2 days before the crash was for medical reasons and not aircraft related. It isn't the 737 MAX, I smell a case of corruption and mismanagement, and I think they already know more about the case than is being told to the public.
It's impossible to find words to describe the feeling of knowing that all those people were on the ground and alive and all that had to happen was for the plane to come to rest. No matter the quality of airmanship or decision making that went in to the landing no one can argue that the plane made a nice belly landing on the center line of the runway. For now no one knows what the situation was with the plane, and the crew had to deal with it, possibly surrounded by smoke. Perhaps the cockpit or a crew member was compromised by injury. The decision to construct that obstruction at the end of the runway was probably taken from behind a comfortable desk or at a meeting room with all the time in the world to think about it... the crew may not have had the luxury of time. We shall see...
I saw people say even if wall wasn't there it would have still crashed into the fence, need to wait for full report to know all the facts
I don't get this. Let's say there's a pilot error. That plane would have more survivor if not for that reinforced concrete at the end of the runway! The airline had nothing to do with it. They should be questioning whoever controls the airport.
This is heartbreaking 💔
The concrete barriers infront of the runway put danger on the plane.should avoid this construction infront of the runway!
Correct. People are fallible so pilot errors will be made during an emergency situation and there is also deliberate so every runway in the world must have a solution for that so a sufficient overrun off both ends to be enforced on all existing not just new runways. With proven stopping technology.
Fair enough, but when there is a technical failure, the aircraft maker should be questioned, too. Boeing is known for hiding information about safety issues.
@@beot-kkot Obviously. Just because one problem is identified doesn't mean you stop there and exclusively blame it. I'm not blaming the pilot though because even if they made a mistake it would have been a genuine one. You don't fly through storms but birds are somewhat unavoidable and if the plane becomes compromised...they landed it so did a good job. If neither engine was working and they glide landed they deserve medals. It does look that way. They make it look easy landing in high cross winds all the time because they are professionals. Car safety has come a long long way but aircraft is way behind.
Watch the video again…. The wall was on the other side of the runway… the plane was supposed to turn left but instead, the plane went straight to the wall which was outside the runway
@@Horizon-d9g Think they were on both ends though so made no difference. One was one too many so to put them on both ends. If we put this is to perspective ten times this number died in car accidents every year in Korea and every country. Life is dangerous. We need to respect life and don't take for granted every day we have and when others leave make sure we do not have a heavy heart because it is those who survive who suffer the most.
The airport itself was built next to a bird sanctuary so there will always be migratory birds flying around. They should also investigate if the airport has a procedure/process to manage the birds off the runways. What about that concrete structure? It was ultimately the main reason why 179 instantly perished.
they have to change the place for the airport.
@@sonyasever7625 Alternatively, the airport authorities need to find a change of bird habitats far from airport location
This is one good example of 'what were they thinking?' in the safety aspects of that particular airport. Actually - the world is probably to blame here too - because surely world aviation authorities should have called this one out ages ago - and that bollard-equivalent wall would have been gone.
Heads are going to roll for this, the govt will want to pin the blame to someone or several ppl for the disaster.
MUAN AIRPORT IS Too Many Problem , concrete walls !?
Sorrry to all the families who lost there loved ones rest in peace and huge respect
So much incompetence in Korea
It's more a case of misplaced hubris mixed with a dose of knee-jerk deflection on the part of the government.
Imagine the initial “relieve” the passengers onboard might have felt when the plane was on level ground ONLY for it to explode on impact from a reinforced CONCRETE wall they didn’t know the aircraft was heading towards…
It was an unfortunate chain of events that lead to this tragedy. HOWEVER, the reinforced CONCRETE WALL was the the DEFINING reason why these passengers are dead! Somebody High up there in the management hierarchy was probably trying to scrimp on money instead of evaluting the overall safety of crucial Airport infrastructures.
Fatigue is not only on man, how many trips were done by the'crew? Plane suffered stress too. Same with driving, body is prone to stress. Decision making is affected. Plane descent was too fast, why? What was the wall for?
Plane landed fast because they lost one engine. If both were operating, they could be used to slow the plane down with reverse thrust.
Too much fuel on board. Heavier aircraft, harder to slow down.
Rushed entry. The one in America that landed safely had time to circle the airport many times to bleed away its speed.
Honestly, just go watch some of the expert commentary videos on the crash if you are curious. Instead of dreaming up probable scenarios all on your own.
Still wonder what is d concrete barrier for n definitely without d concrete things would be difference
Why has the airport to be raid..
… likely because someone there probably signed off on a concrete structure at the end of a runway that actually resulted in the fatalities in this case, despite the pilots heroic landing. 🤔 Just guessing.
It's not going to be just for the construction records that a raid would be carried out. That information is aged from year 2007.
The government would want to most likely, in this tragic context, get at logs on paper and in data devices, on computer servers, and make sure evidence is not tampered with. Isolation of sir traffic controllers to limit coaching, too, may be needed, since this case is so high profile. Recall the 2013 crash at SFO and cockoit power dynamics. The chaebol daughter nutrage scene. Sewol Ferry disaster.
Currently, Gwangju, Muan, and a Jeolla-area airport all for years have been in an on-and-off-again tussle over integration of facilities for the duration of (and maybe beyond) creation of or modification of an area military airfield.
From what I read in an online report updated at around 14:00 hours on 29 Dec 2024, Muan appears to be the prime staller refusing to go along with the integration process. It had wanted to be only a commercial, domestic airport, then became international, but steadfastly wanted to keep the military out, reportedly due to noise generated by mil aircraft ops.
Given that Korea generally has a top-down militaristic hierarchy and fierce clan (biz, industry, mil, faction, etc) loyalties in many areas, a raid often has to be done so the DA or Supreme Prosecutor can preserve information before it's moved, destroyed, or corrupted. That's just human behavior when the stakes are incredibly high.
There's some speculation that given the recent two impeachments, the pilots could have been up watching news instead of sleeping. One B-737 pilot or an industrial engineer on UA-cam pointed that when a person has only 4 hours of sleep, said person is *1600 times* as likely to be involved in/cause a crash. Unfortunately, in Korea, all too many people do NOT get enough sleep. Ppballi-ppballi can kill. It kills domestic and imported labor, in train starions, offices, and elsewhere.
Any audio transcripts will shed light on how interactive the tower was with the plane in efforts to coordinate a safe approach, flap configuration, and positioning, as well as proper procedure adherance for Pan Pan and Mayday calls (worldwide, some or many ATCs defer if pilots don't furnish enough information), and whether current runway configuration/obstruction information was relayed, I presume.
The reports said that when the camera captured smoke indicating ingestion in the right engine, the plane was actually climbing to do a go around BEFORE the ingestion...so something else caused the plane to cancel its approach...another thing that I am skeptical is how certain are we of bird strike? Could be drone cos why would the camera focus on it before the smoke came out? We cannot assume from one unknown source as that would be like the telephone party game, to assume every speculation as fact. They should question the cameraman cos he is the key witness to see what actually happened BEFORE the base final landing approach...
There is a serious issue in many Asian countries. "Saving face" culture is rife and it should be widely criticised. Especially when it comes to industries like aviation. I live in asia and it is by far the thing that irritates me the most. Saving face takes precedent over the truth and even safety. It's infuriating tbh
It's any non Western or non South American country that strongly believes in saving face
“I live in asia” lol
Well I lived in the “west” and I always thought self pride among westerners was always a huge problem.
@@kn2549 well Chinese has lots of self pride too
Thinking of the families and RIP to those who perished!
The KBI, Korean Bureau of Investigation, is also interrogating a few birds that may have been involved with the crash.
they gonna interogatian the wall, because he is the killer of 179
The Korean Transportation Ministry is filled with bird brains.
They build an airport where have alot of bird migration. What a genius.😂😂
Sqwak......
They'll deport the bird...
鳥に罪はありません😂。
The Plane Landed almost halfway down the Runway at high Speed.
The recent Korean Muan Airport disaster was neither due to the pilot's fault, nor due to Jeju Air's maintenance errors, nor the defects in the Boeing aircraft. The issue began with a former politician from the Korean Democratic Party, who was appointed CEO of the airport by former President Moon Jae-in in what many considered a political favor. Despite having no experience in airport operations, he insisted on installing a wall at the end of the runway, disregarding the opposition to this decision. Secondly, the Democratic Party of Korea, which controls the National Assembly, unconditionally cut all budgets, including those for airport safety, as part of its political strategy. To cover up their mistakes, they use the term 'Jeju Air disaster' instead of 'Muan Airport disaster.' The National Assembly has entirely impeached the South Korean government, and there is no control tower to manage the situation. Thirdly, the conspiracy theories surrounding the Muan Airport incident seem convincing when we look at who stands to gain from this disaster. The Democratic Party of Korea, which controls the National Assembly, is trying to cover up increasing suspicions regarding President Yoon's illegal arrest warrant, Prime Minister Han's illegal impeachment, and electoral fraud.
They had better have some very serious answers, a bird strike is a small thing, one engine shutting down is another small thing, an airplane has many back-ups, they can manually bring down the wheels and flaps, never happened! Was there a fight in the cockpit, has happened before on a Korean flight, the worst of hierarchy in Korea is subordinance!
do u realise, that manual stuff for landing gear is BEHIND the pilot seats??? they obviously have A LOT OF problems to deal with in the cabin, it is not that simple,especially when they only had few seconds to do everything
1:02 I am concerned about Boeing hiding critical information about aircraft accidents. I wonder why should the black box be handled to the U.S.
Then, I read that South Korea's deputy minister for civil aviation, Joo Jong-wan, said “the damaged flight data recorder has been deemed unrecoverable for data extraction domestically. It was agreed today to transport it to the United States for analysis in collaboration with the US National Transportation Safety Board."
According to Le Monde, «Joo said both of the plane's black boxes were retrieved, and for the cockpit voice recorder, "the initial extraction has already been completed." Based on this preliminary data, "we plan to start converting it into audio format," he said, meaning investigators would be able to hear the pilots' final communications. The second black box, the flight data recorder, "was found with a missing connector," Joo said. "Experts are currently conducting a final review to determine how to extract data from it.» 🤷🏻♀️
Wonder about timing the police raid, after both boxes left?
Blame Game.
I'm afraid so.
Wow. Do they suspect malfeasance?
Blame it on the concrete barrier
Why is a tiny airport like that handling international sized aircrafts?
I feel sad and I feel the pain to the family and friends that is unbelievable tragedy that happened to their loved ones it's hard to accept it. they don't deserve that. if only life could be restored. It's traumatizing when I watch over and over again. the pilot he should thought immediately what to do and think make a way landing correctly and he make sure the passengers are safe they would still be alive today, there is a possibility that he can save the passengers. Maybe the pilot he just panicked. he was able to landing but it turns out that only a concrete walls will end a person's life. it's not the Jeju Air CEO's fault or the one who built a concrete wall. the pilot made a mistake landing he hit the walls. condolences to the bereaved family.😔
It had nothing to do with a bird strike, landing gear problems or other systems. It had everything to do with an incompetent crew and incompetent transportation ministry that allowed building a reinforced burm at the end of the runway. Never flying to Korea.
If you saw the msg of the victim to the family before she died she said its a bird strike
@@samanthalee9839 Experts already warned about migratory birds on that area so it's not suitable for airport prior to the building of Muan Airport. Also, in May 2024, there was already a report of that wall that shouldn't be there upon inspection. It was only 21 days after the opening of international flights that this disaster happened. It wasn't recommended to open for international flights after scientific findings. The officials and local govt should be investigated after all its shortcomings or incompetence.
@redgrant4897 You are one of 2 things…
1st possibility is that you are an aircraft manufacturer/aircraft carrier plant who has been tasked with providing disinformation and misdirecting responsibility. True, the explosion was caused by the plane’s impact with the wall. However, had the landing gear as well as the hydraulic brakes been functioning correctly then the wall would still be intact.
2nd possibility is that you are an internet troll 🧌 who’s using the untimely death of 179 people to score some type of internet clout or deal with some type of personal grievance. Either case, you should be ashamed of yourself. Respect the people who lost their lives, respect the families that loved them and if you can’t do that, just shut up!
@@samanthalee9839 The little 🐦 that was sucked in to the engine is also the little 🐦 that caused the massive 737-800 to rocket in to reinforced burm at 150 MPH?
No, little bird 🐥 says, "I got cooked but it isn't a, "compressor stall" the engine still working. You also still have hydraulics. Use the small emergency cables to the left of F/O's seat to drop the gear with gravity; so, you can then use the good foot breaks when landing and don't have to skid for 2 miles and crash in to an immovable wall that should no be there." Poor little 🐥. It is so sad.
@@samanthalee9839yes but the bird strike isn’t the main reason for this crash it’s definitely pilot error and that concrete wall at the end
Aviation needs some AI
E muita dor dos que ficaram pra receber a noticia tão funestas por favor de nome pra gente orar para os que estao e os que foram nossas condolencias😢❤🎉🎉🎉🎉
It's not going to be just for the construction records that a raid would be carried out. That information is aged from year 2007.
The government would want to most likely, in this tragic context, get at logs on paper and in data devices, on computer servers, and make sure evidence is not tampered with. Isolation of sir traffic controllers to limit coaching, too, may be needed, since this case is so high profile. Recall the 2013 crash at SFO and cockoit power dynamics. The chaebol daughter nutrage scene. Sewol Ferry disaster.
Currently, Gwangju, Muan, and a Jeolla-area airport all for years have been in an on-and-off-again tussle over integration of facilities for the duration of (and maybe beyond) creation of or modification of an area military airfield.
From what I read in an online report updated at around 14:00 hours on 29 Dec 2024, Muan appears to be the prime staller refusing to go along with the integration process. It had wanted to be only a commercial, domestic airport, then became international, but steadfastly wanted to keep the military out, reportedly due to noise generated by mil aircraft ops.
Given that Korea generally has a top-down militaristic hierarchy and fierce clan (biz, industry, mil, faction, etc) loyalties in many areas, a raid often has to be done so the DA or Supreme Prosecutor can preserve information before it's moved, destroyed, or corrupted. That's just human behavior when the stakes are incredibly high.
There's some speculation that given the recent two impeachments, the pilots could have been up watching news instead of sleeping. One B-737 pilot or an industrial engineer on UA-cam pointed that when a person has only 4 hours of sleep, said person is *1600 times* as likely to be involved in/cause a crash. Unfortunately, in Korea, all too many people do NOT get enough sleep. Ppballi-ppballi can kill. It kills domestic and imported labor, in train starions, offices, and elsewhere.
Any audio transcripts will shed light on how interactive the tower was with the plane in efforts to coordinate a safe approach, flap configuration, and positioning, as well as proper procedure adherance for Pan Pan and Mayday calls (worldwide, some or many ATCs defer if pilots don't furnish enough information), and whether current runway configuration/obstruction information was relayed, I presume.
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Whilst passengers will have been scared and hyperandrenalised it was only for 10 minutes and is the body's own defense against things like pain. Panic attacks are not serious injuries and no comparison and neither would a heart attack which would take the attention away from the situation you were in. That is the nicest way to go when your time is over. Nobody suffered to any excess we all will experience one day. The world needs to learn from this so they did not perish in vain. And subsequently save future lives. And suffering.
“Investigation to the cause”? Sure. But “Responsibility” - obviously the concrete structure! Fatalities caused upon impact with it, not a moment before. Utterly tragic outcome and devastating for the families who lost their loved ones.
The Name Choi is pronounced Tsche, not Tschoi
I noticed that, too.
運命
Someone getting fired 😅