The Fate Fandom vs. The JoJo Fandom
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"because they want you to spend money so they feel less shamed"
Most FGO players: 10/10 would not recommend
also FGO fans: *you get a nuke code, you get a nuke code, everyone gets nuke codes*
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That's hell you're walking into
Great characters, best plot/stories you'll probably ever read from a mobile game, and the voice acting for each and almost every character in the game is just on a whole nother level. 10/10 would not recommend.
FGO players: Thats hell you're walking into
@@jomybaby22-gaming This I could get behind. Thanks for the gold kind stranger
The FGO fandom is the best Fate fandom out there. We literally ask people to get away from the game, can't get more wholesome than that.
FGO vet has high saline tolerance
much higher salinity than the Dead Sea
Also They'll giv u free n codes
Yep. It's weird, the Nasuverse fandom is a giant cesspool of toxicity but somehow FGO fandom has almost none of that. Sometimes I wonder if it's even the same people in these fandoms since the atmosphere is so different.
@@bobjones2959 You should take a gander at Beast Lair. The amount of butthurt, elitist old school type moon fans that just have complete, UTTER contempt at Fate GO and its fans is ridiculous.
As someone who has been in the fate fandom for years let me say one thing, the people who actually scare newcomers into getting into fate the most are usually the hardcore fans that want other people to start in the most perfect place possible (aka the way they want), so they end up fighting in the comments about the watch order scaring newcomers (when just taking the first step and starting at the place they preferred would probably be way more effective into getting them into the series).
this is true, to be honest i just watched whatever was released first which was fate/stay night 2006
The only right way to start a discussion about the watch order is saying there's no correct watch order and then leave.
Yup, this is 100% true. I got into Fate last year and it was Garnt's short version which helped me with the "watch order". The Fate/SN subreddit made everything confusing as fuck.
Yeah i remember there's a fate fan trying getting me into fate as the conversation goes on things is getting more complicated and i become more confuse while he's trying to explain fate
Start with the Fate VN or perish
Fate fans: There are too many sabers
Jojo fans: there are too many stands
Hxh fans: TOGASHI PLEASE
togashi : i can't i'm playing dragon quest.
He got lost in gacha hell
I’ve never heard a jojo fan complain about too many stands. It’s more about stands not really being fleshed out or just being completely irrelevant.
"There are too many sabers" is such a dumb statement (in general not in this comment though, I found this comment hilarious)
It's as corny as saying there is too many doctors in the world
People need to understand that saber isn't a character's name but it's the class any sword wielding hero falls into
@@mohamedelhediissa289 I think they are talking about the saberfaces. You know, Artoria Pendragon twenty something versions ?
Garnt: "JoJo is weird."
I guess you could say JoJo is quite a *"Bizzare Adventure"*
Drum roll....
@@justsomeguyontheinternet.4398 Ba dum Tusssh
With time, the Joestars sealed their *FATE*
@@bestpriest2224 Yes, the arcana is the means by which all is revealed
Part 6 is just weird
Especially the first episode
"It's done in secret.."
" I was staring at the bars, so.."
Like wth is that?
Fate Fans: No! Don't you see this contradicts with my intricate meta-narrative I've been constructing since Notes?!
FGO Fans: Lol, jokes are the deepest lore.
For some reason i like FGO's lore than Fate
@@smugofbishamonten1447 because FGO acknowledges that it’s batshit insane so they’re free to do whatever they want
@@ghostshrimp5006 ah yes funni events gib free lores
@@sherrypineda2080 the best lore
I love this so much
The FGO fandom is genuinely one of the best and most wholesome fandoms out there. A far cry from the Type Moon Fandom
Yeah say whatever about the shit gameplay but FGO community is fucking wholesome. We don't take things too seriously and just enjoy whatever Nasu and pals shove into us.
@@sirawichsiri601 We're literally telling people to get away from that game, can't be more wholesome than that.
FGO is just self insert shippers. They’re far from wholesome considering how dedicated they are to their degeneracy but they aren’t toxic
Yes. "10/10 would never recommend" is the most wholesome line I've heard there
@@deletedaccount6388 am I the only person who’s a fan of the story and not the creepy JPEG art? I mean, admittedly as a history & myth buff I go nuts over half the characters, but mostly because of the novelty of a game where they are all characters! It’s the ultimate crossover!
Favorite type moon fanbase is the Melty Blood players. Dedicated to their game to where they host tournaments in bathrooms
FGC is on another level, not smash player tho
*Majin Obama has arrived*
MB players don't play to read, they play to fight.
It's actually funny how he mentioned how hype jojo fans are, because when I started it yesterday and told my friend who is a massive jojo fan, he proceeded to talk about jojo with me for an hour or so, it was cool seeing him so happy
Part 1 wasn't bad by any means, but I feel like most of the people that start the anime are expecting stands and crazy powers but instead we get Hamon and Vampires. Part 2 was the same as part 1, but I feel that Joseph made it even more entertaining with his attitude. Part 3 is long and has a very plain protagonist. But it compensates with the return of Dio, side characters and the introduction of stands. Part 4 and 5 have a really good plot with the adventure of finding out the identities of their antagonists Kira and Diavolo. Part 6 has an amazing cast with completely new characters. And finally both part 7 and 8 are intriguing and fascinating because of the new world that is presented and I feel is the 2 parts that have the most of that "Aralia style" that we all love.
No. I'm sorry. How does part 3 compensate with the return of DIO? He's barely on screen, when he is he's just there in the darkness, being a drama queen, spewing cryptic sh*t or just messing with the people he's talking to. And when he does finally properly return, it's just another stand battle (stand user gets introduced, they struggle against him, Jotaro pulls a previously unseen ability of star platinum and then he wins), only slightly longer. It's about as compelling as my pfp
I think that for a lot of people Part 1 just felt generic in the middle and kinda melodramatic throughout. I find curious that people think that Jotaro is plain when he is basically written to be a guy trying to act though when he is in reality he is quite the Jonathan. He is a Teenager/Adult passing through an edgelord phase, which makes him intrinsically funny (to me at least).
I don't think that JoJo has any actually bad parts by any means, it just that in parts 1 and (maybe) 2 Araki didn't fully find what JoJo should be about yet. Because of that, i don't understand why the JoJo fandom is so against the idea of skiping parts. Maybe someone who skiped parts might be more inclined to comeback to those skiped part because he simply grew to apreciate the great work that is JoJo, meanwhile someone who was not feeling it in part 1 just might never comeback. Anyway, it is just weird that there is such a pushback against that.
@@floricel_112 Dio is always a drama queen who spews cryptic shit and messes with people
And also while it’s a very good comparison, Dio vs Jotaro is a more compelling then you’re profile pic
Also you didn’t mention that the battle is absolutely awesome (I suppose like you’re profile pic)
@@oimate6357 don't really see the "compelling part" of the fight. Neither of them met each other up until that point, so it's not like they that any history. Jotaro thought of him the same way he thought of all his previous opponents: that he was scum. And Dio didn't see him as a genuine rival, even though he was wary of him as a Joestar. And Dio and Jotaro didn't really have any *personal* beef with each other. Sure, Jotaro's mom got sick because of him, but it's not like Dio did it on purpose to screw with Jotaro, nor was she the only Joestar affected. She was just collateral damage. It's not like with Dio and Jonathan, were the two grew up together, saw each other as rivals and clashed several times throughout part 1. Not to mention Dio attempting to ruin Jonathan's life throughout the years
Heck, Polnaref or Kakyoin vs Dio would be more compelling, because they DO have personal with Dio: they were both brainwashed by him and Polnaref even lost his sister because of one of his cronies
@@DarkHunter047 ahh you see those who part skip simply don't return to previous parts then get confused and then complain when they don't understand. Also I don't have anything against part skippers it is just what I have seen from part skippers.
I think it shows that I've got most of my friends into JoJo very easily, but they were adamant to start on part 3 for some reason. But I've only managed to get one friend into fate. However that one friend has also read the VN, watched Apocrypha and prillya, and played FGO, melty blood and extra like me. Jojo is easier to sorta fall into I guess. But the natsuverse is more of a dedication.
@@ZuuZuu2 i feel like the main appeal of JoJo is the memes. Fate has memes but you have to understand the series to get it. But with JoJo you can at least pretend to get it without having seen the anime.
@@ZuuZuu2 part 3 was literally made so you can enjoy it even if you missed some episodes lol
In other words, Fate is for nerds. And I’m a nerd.
if people can get into the MCU despite marvel in general having a more labyrinthine lore with even more parallel universes/timelines/continuities, people can totally get into any subset of the fate franchise
Exactly
I mean, there's A LOT less MCU content than Fate content. Remember, Fate has the games and the VNs, as well as the various spinoff novels.
well the marvel stuff is easy, there is a specified order and some tv shows (also with a specified order), there aren't games or other things that are considered canon that you need to go to a different place to get it, it's all on disney+ available right from the start.
I don't understand how people find a series with 2 animes that have 24 eps each and 3 movies to be hard to get into. The main timeline is literally all you need to know if you enjoy it then you can drift off to the other stuff like fgo, apocrypha, prisma illya etc.
You don't even need main timeline. I started with Apo instead. So is more you choose what you think is interesting. (Just ignoring the Fate Extra anime...and Grand Order). There rest are good starting points,Redline Fate/Strange Fake, Requiem (also sounds like this but i don't read it)
yeah but to a random person getting in to fate it looks really complicated and kinda kills your motivation to watch it, when I was planning to watch fate for the first time I was confused as hell because I kept looking for a "proper" way to watch it and I was completely new to the series, I got lots of images of the timelines of the series with words I haven't even seen until then, like heaven's feel ritual and fate/stay night visual novel, I was like "there's a visual novel? I thought it was an anime??", then after much time and research I just said fuck it and watched fate/zero then the stay night adaptation by studio deen then UBW, I started to understand stuff as continued to watch the series and since I did some research before watching it I didn't go in completely blind, then after reading a few stuff on the wiki and after finishing multiple animes I understood what the hell was going on, it's not super complicated however you have to know and understand stuff essential to the series, so to a newcomer who doesn't wanna put in the amount of effort I put in when I started watching the series, they would be put-off by the series and not watch it cuz' to them it's too complicated and not worth the effort, I was genuinely interested in the fate series and later on the nasuverse(tsukihime and kara no kyokai) so that helped in watching the series, also because I was just enjoying the plot, the lore, everything, all of it in my eyes was just so cool and interesting watching for the first time, so it was really fun watching.
Seriously, JoJo is far harder to get into as far as I'm concerned from sheer episode and series count given they're all main timeline compared to Fate's.
Well the problem is that it's not possible to find a watch order without spoiling other series, therefore everyone recommends a different watch order, and don't forget the 06 adaptation, it's also part of the main timeline
@@_rebix_7887 the problem with deen's adaptation is that it tried to mish mash all the other routes into 1 while focusing more on fate route, so it ends up kinda spoiling some stuff about heavens feel and ubw.
Connor: “Watch it in order”
Also Connor: “Fate is so hard to get into, I have to read/watch it in order”
It's so frustrating to hear them making the same points over and over again about Fate. Just pick a series and then watch whatever you want afterward, it's really that simple. People that make that it more complicated than that hurt the community.
We (fate fans) don't want people to spend money.... We just want someone to geek out with
I mean connors take is kinda weird because the anime was made to appeal to the visual novel fans so the visual novel is part of the story.Like i read the visual novel and then watched it in chronological order.Thats all you have to do.It is self contained.
so because it was made to appeal the VN fans then nobody gets to enjoy it? the experiences of all those who enjoyed fate without the novels are invalid? if you answer yes to any of those two questions then you can keep your fandom, because i dont want anything to do with it.
@@BioMatic2 im not saying you cant enjoy it just saying dont be confused why it seems complicated without reading the source material.
I'm a visual novel fan and can say without a doubt I wasn't appealed to.
Evangelion is defintely one of those shows for me where it makes more sense if you read external stuff that actually describes what happened because the series itself rarely does. Still love the series tho but the way the story is told really makes it hard to understand the first time you watch it.
Can confirm, Parts 1 and 2 had me on the edge of my seat.
Three episodes into part 3 with over 40 episodes left looming over my head and I busted out the Joestar Secret Technique and _Nigerundayo'd the fuck out of there._
I'll give part 6 a shot though, Jolyne seems cool.
I enjoyed Jojo part 3 beginning.
Well yeah part 3 has the worst pacing, worst protagonist Jotaro and the only redeeming quality is Dio
What I tell is just skim through 3, enjoy the final fight and continue normally from 4 because it's amazing from there.
Aye, me too my man. I'm thinking of maybe giving Part 5 a go, since it's so disconnected, but I just could not get past the beginning of part 3.
@@gunnarschlichting9886 Part 5 has some connections to part 3 and 4.
Just watch Carnival Phantasm, the true Fate experience
2:28 "Look at this Fate Graph" ~ Garnt
The Fate fandom definitely seems both toxic and just a slight bit dumb, or at least the loud part everyone is familiar with. To new folks, don't stress watch order too much, most of the franchise is self-contained stories. That said, if you want a starting point, watch anything with Stay Night or Zero in the title. Aside from watching Heaven's Feel last, order doesn't matter, just watch whichever you find yourself enjoying. All you really need to get going in is that Stay Night '06, UBW, and Heaven's Feel follow the same basic story with different endings for each. Any thing else will be explained when it is really needed; if you are looking something that's actually important to understanding the story, you either have to be a bit more patient or have to make sure you didn't miss something because it either was or will be explained. If it actually wasn't explained, it doesn't have any major bearing on what you watched. The only exception I can think of might be the second half of Heaven's Feel, it gets really weird after a certain point, but even then everything actually NEEDED to understand the story will be explained.
Fate is really complicated, specially when you get into the whole nasuverse and Fate GO.
But I feel empathy to Fate fans saying read the visual novel, since I am an index fan and the anime adaptation screwed the LN over a lot
I was looking to get into index at one point, heard the adaptations where worse than fates and just decided to wait until I can be bothered to read the novels.
I feel like I really hampered my own experience with fate by watching the anime’s first, so I didn’t really wanna make that mistake again, especially considering from what I’ve heard the anime’s butcher toumas character worse than the fate ones do for Shirou.
I didn't really have a hard time understanding most aspects of the Type-Moon multiverse, though i attribute that to my time in the Transformers fandom and exploring that multiverse. So stuff like The Moon and TYPE Ultimates are as easy to process to me as Kiss Players and Multiversal Singularities are.
I know this video is just them poking fun at the fanbase and that they don't even read comments so i'm yelling at a wall here but, honestly the hypocrisy of Connor saying that Fate fans must've went wrong somewhere in their lives because they choose to invest time and read the source material of the franchise they like really bothers me. This is, after all, the guy who not only watched but also read the entirety of JoJo, in the time it would take someone to do that you could finish all routes of FSN and at LEAST get near the end of Hollow Ataraxia if you are a very slow reader.
I guess what i'm trying to say is: At the very least try to come up with a creative way to insult the Type Moon fanbase, saying we're losers and time-wasters is the most basic bitch thing you can do and it 90% of the time also makes you a hypocrite.
Edit: To further elaborate in the hypocrisy of his comments I could also point out how in the "Why Does Gatekeeping Still Exist??" Video at the 01:56 mark he talks about trying to "not discredit people for liking shows" and "tying their self worth to it" while he's doing exactly that here to what i would consider a mean and hurtful degree, saying that people went *wrong somewhere in life*, but we could probably just own that up to the fact that Connor is trying to provoke the TM fanbase here while also being upset at the criticism Gigguk's video received upon release.
Me playing fgo: spend time doing research of 7749 character's historical lores and fate lores and the symbol of their clothes.
I just want to have an official translation of the original visual novel. I'm too much of a boomer(and paranoid) to get it by....other means.
mirror moon is probably the best way to get an official translation, they "require" you have a legit copy but there are ways around it seeing as a 2003 game is hard to come by. The same applies for Hollow Ataraxia and Tsukihime
google is your friend
YOROKOBE SHONEN
I might be the 1% of Fate fans who actually really enjoys researching things related to fate and Type moon as a whole. There's a whole wiki website dedicated to unravelling the mysteries and confusions and lore about the nasuverse, and I see myself spending hours on that site, indulging every bit of information which will not benefit me in the course of my life.
I recommend Otakudai-kun and Tsiah IV if you want some TM lores.
I learned that HGW Master is a SPECIES thanks to that wiki
@@miteigi8334 Otakudai-kun is how I understood all the lore in fgo lmao, I already watch him, I haven't watched Tsiah IV tho
@@miteigi8334 Aninews is good aswell
The wiki sucks
This is such a big brain fight
I watched all of part 3, then I realized I could’ve skipped most of it.
I’m an fgo fan who takes ever opportunity they can to tell people about each of the character lores and noble phantasms :) I have a friend who every now and then would tell them stories about the characters or story and they always tell me they enjoy it
I think the usual problem with Fate Fans is that they are really passionate about what they Love, and they want everyone to have the "optimal" experience so they can share their Passion. So thats why people get upset when someone says to start with anything that isn't the VN because I would agree that it's suboptimal, but even then it's not worth it to just hinder everyone from starting it in the way thats best suited to what they want.
I also think that they don’t want to creat Fate/Zero fanboys, because they are the worst.
"Gacha bad civilization."
Fate Forever !!!! Long Live Fate!!! Long Life FGO !!! Long Life Nasuverse !!!! 😂💪
I never found Fate confusing, people just make it seem confusing because of how many side stories, movies, sequels and prequels there are, which is honestly not that hard to keep track of when you try
I never found JoJo toxic, people just make them seem toxic because of the JoJo memes, which is immature but not toxic (Btw disagreeing with opinions is literally a thing in every fandom, idk why people make a big deal about it)
Honestly for anime part, the only confusing one probably comes from FGO because that one come from Fans for Fans.
And lets not talk about Extra Encore
@@every8160 FGO anime adaptations is easy and linear enough to understand tho (just skipped 5 story chapters). Actually, the "confusing" part was the main timeline (FSN) because people are arguing which is the best watch order.
Yeah, I'm diving in Fate a year ago and was like "People confused by this? But why? Can't they just watch them by the release date?"
But yeah, "something" that scares newcomers into the Fate fandom is because when someone ask about it they, accidentally or not, reveals the "lore" in the middle of the conversation.
@@every8160 I still don't understand why Extra Encore is happening. I got two big question mark about that "What and Why?"
@@nitomae It's Nasu's failed attempt to make an Extra adaptation more "newbie friendly", making a storyline based on Bad End of the PSP Fate/Extra game, instead of adapting the original game plot.
1:55 Amen brother. hahahaha
If you cannot handle DEEN stay night, don't try getting into Gundam, One Piece, Naruto, Yugioh, or any long running shonen.
I'm one of those few people who like Deen/Stay Night tbh. Will never get tired rewatching it.
@@miteigi8334 deen stay night isn't even too outdated in visuals tbh. It actually matches the vn more closely than ufotable
wtf is that comparison. Naruto and Once piece are completely different type of story. And honestly I don't give a fuck about any eroge games or shit. Ufotable's fate is a good anime , Deen's is not that's it
@@freddiem6805 have you seen a ton if naruto and one piece? Tons of filler, flashbacks extreme length unwatchable. Have you seen the older anime from the 70s, 80s? Those haven't aged well.
@@501clonetrooper I am caught up to the One Piece manga chapter 1024 . And I will still say it is very different from 2006 fsn. Like just compare the high points of those series if you want.
I got into Fate in the most bizarre way, I watched Apocrypha first. I mean at it most basic level its two teams of seven with specific classes, the summoned servants are all heroic figures of legend such as in this case Jenna D'arch, Vlad the III and Achilles (and many, many more).
Masters who control the servants who are mages with unique abilities such as shotgun necromancy, mechanical spider machinery ect all vying to control the holy grail. It all was delivered in a way that it made sense, a little rushed here and there but I got the general premise.
I actually enjoyed it, I guess cause I wasn't spoiled by the far superior Fate Zero that I didn't have a 'well that was a let down', reaction. The fights were good, the characters solid and if that was the worst the franchise had to offer according to some then this was going to be an awesome series to get into.
Yeah, it’s tough saying, “I’m a Fate fan,” because it’s a huge mythos and I have so many qualifiers. I really prefer things closer to the original visual novels, and don’t care for the stuff that’s gotten farther away from them (i.e. I love the Fate, Unlimited Blade Works, Heavens Feel, Zero, and even Today’s Menu series, but I didn’t really care for the rest very much. Aside from a teeny little bit of Babylonia, GO and Apocrypha and Extella just didn’t do anything for me).
I wonder what level of fate fan I am when I haven't watched all the anime, never read and played the VN and FGO, but I think I have $1000 worth of Fate figures at this point. Apocrypha and Babylonia are such a fcking tease to figures I've never simped so hard for Ushiwakamaru, Ereshkigal, Jeanne, and Astolfo (yes I know he's a guy. I'm still simping)
Fate fan: "What the fuck why did you start with that one you idiot"
JoJo fan: "C'mon, say Ora once, you know you want to"
trueee
Man thank god that I love both fate and Jojo‘s
Fate is the best visual novel in my opinion
The more vns I read the more I am to agree.
@@tsurugi5I've been meaning to get back into fate again; I quit FGO for about a year ago and the latest anime I watched of it was the HF movies. Would you say the VN still holds up?
@@varrentnathanielwoodrow8291 the vn more than aged very well, the production values is extremely underrated imo. much more than it’s predecessor tsukihime which was also charming in its dated presentation.
@@tsurugi5 Awesome. I'll see if I can get my hands on it, then. Thanks
Fate franchise is just like mcu, there are the main one and there are side stories. Just treat it like that
Finally someone who thinks like I do, idk why people makes it so complicated for themselves
Monogatari Series anyone? That shit is more complicated than Fate
nah not really, Monogatari is a single series of LNs with an anime adaptation that was only slightly released in the wrong order (mostly due to production issues and shit). Fate on the surface looks more complicated if you aren't used to the idea of multiple routes, and the anime adaptation is still incomplete (and that's ignoring the spinoffs).
I don't care about anything in the Nasuverse outside of the visual novels because it's borderline fan-fiction.
I tried to get into Fate but I just didn't feel it, but I do like Rin's thighs.
Understandable
Man of culture i,see
If you want more, just search for Ereshkigal or Ishtar
TLDR; try JoJo and watch fate in whatever order you want. and FGO are very welcoming and broke
jojo doesn't have watch order problem. Its release order is it cronological order. What's so confusing?
The fate and jojo series are opposite, in fate its hard to start and you can't just start anywhere, but in jojo's you can start anywhere
Doesn't mean you should
Dont do that though or else the wrath of the world will get you
@@Fixin_good indeed,it would be a bad choice!
@@velgard. you shouldn't yet you can if you real want to
@@jaysolo8256 the only person who would do that while knowing the consequences must be a masochist
In reality it's actually not complicated at all, it was just the people making it confusing lmao
true this. fate stay night and zero are the only ones that matter. the rest can be classified as spinoffs
It's not complicated, but from the perspective of someone who knows literally nothing about the franchise and they see so many similar titles with no idea how they're all related, it definitely *looks* complicated and that's the point.
It definitely........ how deep is it ? Depends on how you look at it
That's why alot of typemoon fan doesn't like grant video because it's kinda still using that stereotype instead of breaking it
I see Ichika. My day just instantly got better.
I was always annoyed of the JoJo fandom as well but after completing part 2 and rating it as 10 *ok it that make sense*
This is why I could never get into western comics. There’s so many universes and timelines that it’s almost impossible to figure out where to start
Anywhere really, like I only read 1 or 2 titles here and there and still got a basic of who are those and what they gonna do. Also, don't worry about being unfamiliar with a character if you see they act differently from one title to another, it's either they're being mind-controlled, or someone pretending to be them. Comic characters don't change, they got all the growth from flashbacks and origin stories.
You don't really need a starting point. Western comics gets rebooted every couple of year.
Then there is me who started with Carnival Phantasm
Fate fans: *Arguing among themselves*
Me who just asked for the watch order: *Visible confusion*
UBW or Zero to start, since they give the most solid foundation. After that, you are good for literally anything else.
I know it's a joke, but just use google and decide on you own
Just follow Garnt's advice -> ua-cam.com/video/UzNSWmokCdU/v-deo.html
Or start with Deen's Fate if you are brave enough
As someone who's been in the Fate fandom since reading shitty fansubs of the original VN and an FGO player since the game came out in the US, I pretty much don't bother getting new people into the series fandom unless they're actually interested in doing the lore dive. I'be watched all the anime and movies up to this point (with the exception of everything in the Prillya-verse because I'd rather not be on the P'do list)
People who get into it from the tired-as-fuck meme dead horses I usually steer away since I pretty much know they're not going to be able to take in Nasu's brand of craziness that comes with his stories.
Only reason i managed to watch all part 3 of Jojo was that years before i saw the OVA series of part 3 and i really wanted to see how they adapted the final battle with Dio.
Without that i would have been defeated.
In all honesty I kept telling this too people and even garnt brought it up and explain it to compile the clusterfuck community making it hard to get into.. as garnt said in his vid the canon series are Zero,Ubw,HF and ataraxia(light novel so this is also optional) and the rest was just extra and optional.. most were literally adapt from LN and games that the fans scream to be animated.. take babylonia series and camelot movie.. both were animated without the massive prequel road gap before it that nobody outside playing the game would know about. Thats is why the better term is watch the canons and thats it.. if u got the kind of thinking to go into everything to understand literally everything, just forget about getting into it.. you'll break ur brain for nothing.. point is just enjoy the canon.. if u got time and want more fun and action go ahead and enjoy the spinoffs and play the game cause its hell of a fun ride, just dont do thinking everything in too specific detail cuz thats where you'll utterly fail
8:20 Do you mean JoJo gets better after part 2?
Regarding Fate, took me like a week to figure out the watch order of the seasons haha
"People giving him shit because he watched fate zero before reading the visual novel". That's the craziest thing i have ever heard.
Fate zero is more enjoyable than the Visual Novel
@@freddiem6805 fate/zero is kinda meh.
Zero is okay, it's not what zero shills constantly hype it up to be but as a chuuni side story it's alright. The big gripe I have is that Zero spoils FSN, so if you start with zero like a lot of people here say to you're killing off a lot of the mystery and tension before you start, which is really important for a vn like fate(the primary work )
The virgin strider simp vs The Chad reference enjoyer
There’s people who are exempt from part skipping rules and that’s those who started with the Battle of Egypt arc in Part 3 because that’s where the JoJo 90’s OVA’s started at the N’Doul encounter. You literally can’t blame those JoJo anime fans. (Especially since the manga had yet to be brought over to English-speaking regions)
They’re primordial western JoJo fans, meaning they’re word is more law than David Pro fans. (As a David Pro viewer 🫡)
Being a fate fan is like being in a religion
More like a cult
Let’s be honest the fate franchise is hentai with more steps!
Jojo will always rain superior
@@rudysmith1552 i mean most people start fate from astolfo and hentao anyways
Being deep in any fandom is like being in a religion and/or cult, with all of the good and bad they bring to the "faithful." Media fandom and investment is essentially what fills the hole for modern secular people that religious faith once did for so many people before the post-boomer generations started to widely associate religiousness and faith (mostly of the Christian varieties, although a little bit with other belief systems as well) with institutional oppression.
If i wanted to get someone into JoJo i would just have them watch the "Let's go eat italian food!" episode from part four. Because that perfectly explains what JoJo is about wile being completely servicable as a stand alone short too.
Ngl one of the greatest fights in the animated series..I will also mybe put part 5 train battel
Perhaps also an episode from stardust crusaders? Or janken boy vs rohan?
“Let’s Go Eat Italian Food” and “The Sun” are great intro episodes to JoJo, as is “Dio the Invader”
Make them read the first rohan spin-off instead. It has pretty much everything; beautiful art, standalone story, an amazing ''fight'' scene, a good twist at the end...
@@faustsies1366 well, that could work, but I think it’s much easier to watch a 20 minute, self contained episode instead of reading an entire book. Though I think it could work for manga fans maybe.
FGO players suffer together and encourage each other. We swim in salt and we do it together as brothers and sisters in degeneracy and gacha hell.
Still, Fate and the Nasuverse is a commitment. Once you get in, it’s a lot of fun, getting in deeper and seeing just how much there is to explore from EXTRA to Grand Order, to Nasu’s other works like Tsukihime and Kara no Kyoukai
Hell even a lot of Melty Blood fans aren’t even TYPE MOON fans
Yet there are still the „Got her in 1 ticket" (or 1 SQ in jp rn) a**holes.
@@vojtaniedelsky8011 “ftp btw”
I got gilgamesh 1 hour into the game and my friends were having a mental breakdown
@@velgard. I'm having a mental breakdown rn and I don't even know you.
I remember getting "whittled down" when I first wanted to get into Nasu stuff, At first I was just gonna watch UBW, Then I read about the -Fate- route so after like 2eps I told myself I'd read at least that then watch the anime. TL;DR I am now on the cusp of reading heaven's feel and probably gonna dive into the greater Nasuverse in due time. It's honestly super fun.
It's kinda hurt to see Connor saying that Fate aren't self contained stories, because almost all of them are. They weren't connected at all by anything except some concept and cameos
Even prequel is basically it's own timeline (because of some inconsistencies regarding characterization of few characters and some minor details, but still)
@@vladprus4019 I still don't get how so many people (even the ones that have read the visual novel) overlook that Kirei's development on Zero should have already happen by that point on the story, they even used the same concept of his wife's suicide with his father's death.
@@camiloprovoste7288 I'm guessing because that makes Kirei dynamic and not static character so he is more interesting to watch than most of other characters.
But yeah... if you think about his backstory that was already established at this point, his character development feels redundant.
Connor is an awesome guy but just don’t take everything to heart. You enjoy this cuz you like it. And he doesn’t. And it’s ok. You gotta understand from his perspective, he has his own things he want from a series or not. Plus he still thinks Fate and type moon as anime. Let him think what he wants.
Imo you can easily enjoy Zero and UBW without reading the wiki or anything, it's explained in details and all one needs to do is pay attention.
Heaven's Feel might require some digging as the ending isn't explained well enough.
Also as a person who's been playing FGO for 5 years, will not recommend
They better just watch it on youtube. FGO I mean
wiki's not very reliable tho, since people enjoy editing in their own interpretations of statements instead of just putting words in verbatim. I think there was a fan-made snow globe analogy at some point for Reality Marbles replacing the already existing canon Analogy.
Funnily enough Garnt’s video on Fate from a few years ago was one of the reasons I chose to start watching Fate
Another big one was Astolfo lol
Saaaaameee!!! If it wasn't for that video I probably wouldn't have watched any of the Fate series or play Fate GO so yeah I should have listened to the video 😂
@@YoshiiHime I’d play GO but I can’t find it on the App Store, though that might just be because I’m only on a 6s atm
@@lonewolf9578 weird you should try searching with a VPN I'm from Latinoamérica so I can only download it through a VPN
@@lonewolf9578 you can download it with an APK installer if you have an android phone
@@lonewolf9578 which AppStore? Because an update about a week ago updated the device requirements on Apple platforms, I can’t recall if a 6s still makes the cut. My iPad Air 2 has been struggling a little bit since that update (may or may not be connected to new Gilgamesh animations having an insane number of particles)…so I can’t imagine the issues a 6s would have
Maybe I'm weird in this regard, but I've never really had trouble following Fate as I watch it. I just accept that like the animes and games and stuff are more or less their own universe. If one is linked, it'll usually be mentioned during a subsequent series' run. It seems to get complicated when you MAKE it complicated.
You're not alone. I did my research and learnt of the three story branches of the visual novel before they got adapted to anime, and got a general idea of where each entry of the series stood ("Apocrypha" is self-explanitory, if you look up the word's definition).
I kinda disagree, like fate on its own is like any other series, it's had it easy points and hard points but overall it's not to difficult to get into. What makes Fate and by extension the nasuverse confusing is how everything comes together. For example and this is a spoiler for fate grand order, Fou in fate is a beast and a threat to humanity but comes to understand humanity alittle. However in Tsukihime he is primate murder which is connected to alot of other things like dead apostles. That what makes Fate and by extension nasuverse confusing is things like this or things that aren't mentioned too much in the more popular parts of the series.
@@trinity5502 yea then there’s Solomon arcuied apostle yumei rin and gigguck isn’t even mentioning lord el-meloi case files or the games besides visual novel but it’s interesting getting it from gigguck perspective
nah man, I too am on the same page as you. I started with fate zero, watched two episodes and already knew i was gonna like it. so i kept watching it. I found connections and references and accepted it while enjoying the series as well. And that's all there is to it.
Same tbh, I don't know what people are talking about when they mention wikis and all that. I just watched UBW first and brnached off to everything else and didn't feel like I missed a lot. I'm sure there's lore here and there about past events or characters but I've never felt the story come to a stop because of my lack of certain knowledge regarding those aspects.
As a fate fan I literally spend weekends picking a random obscure anime and just binging it to burn out the idea of arguing with other nasuverse fans online. That's how bad it is XD
Bruh hit me up with that list need me something new
@@Mm-vr9mt I don't have a list I just go to my anime streaming site, pick one at random and watch it.
@@yammoto148 noice wish I could still do that but I've seen too much XD
@Just an idiot lurking the internet So true. I once had an online argument around a year ago with a few fate fans about how Gil vs Shirou in UBW was full of plot armor and it went on for days. There are still people who reply to my comment which was just a reply to another comment. It's a good thing that starting to play FGO separated me from all that toxicity and replaced it with salt.
Oh, ever seen serial experiment lain?
Imagine fighting over how to start Fate when the right way is obviously through the doujinshis
Based
The FGO fandom got me an A on my history class. As a newcomer, I'm so proud to be a part of this welcoming fandom.
Welcome to the fandom newcomer!
Same. Even tho I’m not studying history, i feel like engaging in Fgo fan base really helps with my stress.
One thing I kinda disagree is that most (that I know of) FGO players don't necessarily want you to spend money on the game. Most would just give tips on how to play and adjust your strategy depending on what you got.
Because, believe it or not, you can complete FGO without relying on rare servants. The so-called "meta" is just there to make it easier/simpler for farming/gathering materials. The reason why people spend is mostly for waifu/husbando reasons.
Clearly the way to win this game is to waifu/husbando the top tier supports…like everyone after LB6
@@HelplessFangirl God, the LB6 Servants are insane in how all of them are good, like B+ to A tier. Then they dropped Koyanskya and Oberon back to back afterwards, both S tier supports, with a Castoria banner rerun in the middle now that people have grown to love her character on top of her busted support skills?
They were taking no survivors whatsoever.
Thank god for Clairvoyance EX, so now I know to save for Castoria not just for gameplay but to save hard for character reasons. (Looking at you Melt.)
@@gunnarschlichting9886 bro I know the feeling. Cry for my sanity, I want Oberon, Koyanskaya, and Morgan. Not to mention Castoria
@@HelplessFangirl Currently, I am saving for Castoria's banner next year, and I'll go from there. I'll probably roll for Fairy Lancelot because having both a ST NP and an AoE NP is really cool, but Oberon also seems awesome especially because of *spoilers.*
If I don't get Castoria though, I'll save for her post LB6 banner as well. I've got no idea how well I'll hold out, but that's the plan at least. Being F2P is hard.
Exactly, never spent a penny on this game. But just saving and rolling strategically and being pretty lucky myself, I have most servants I want. I even have okita at np2.
Then there's me who is a fgo player for more than 3 years and I have never touched the money option nor will I ever do so. 100% f2p from day 1.
Same
GSSR only guy here
Still staying FTP deserves respect in such an unforgiving system
@@water_color yeah this is me im f2p untill gssr i do those its hard to pass up
@@water_color gssr is such a good deal, it's not too hard to justify the money when you are very invested in the game already
Damn that's great, I am f2p on my jp account as well, but spent 800+ sq on Morgan
I remember when discussing the Tsukihime remake on Reddit, some people said that they hope it won’t get an English release because they don’t like casuals in their communities. WTF man…
Wtf? Bro that's bullshit what we actually want is no anime adaptation because I don't want casuals.
No way ☠☠
And i assume these people got downvoted into oblivion because i know what the reddit fate community looks like and they are literally dying to get a translation, just look at mahoyo which just got a movie while the english translation isn't complete after 10 fucking years.
What you saw on reddit that day was one boomer i've got literally 100s of counter example
Gatekeepers is a lot more popular these days.
"Secondary" has historically always been the go to insult for the Type-Moon fanbase. It was used in 2011 to deride F/Z anime-only watchers, and since then, it's has been used to pretty much exclude anybody who hasn't read the VNs from discussion.
The interesting about FGO though, is that it's also divided the Type-Moon fanbase into people who only like "classic" Type-Moon stuff like Tsukihime, KnK, and F/sn and the people who are just pretty open to FGO and new stuff coming out.
F/Z anime-only people are some of the most annoying things to happen though.
If you ever call someone a secondary I immediately lose all respect for you as a human being
I'm not sure how it's used now but I do remember that the term "secondary" was coined in response to certain Fate/Zero anime-only watchers being incredibly toxic and running around proclaiming Fate/Zero was gods gift to anime and the rest of Type-Moons work was trash and how both the UBW anime and the original VN were inferior in every single way... despite having never read the VN.
@@im_sorry_i_forgot_my_username It was in response to F/Z fans calling series like F/SN trash because it didn't pander to their taste. They would often use excuses such as Shirou being naive unlike Kiritsugu or that F/SN was just a fanservice lighthearted work. Words that wouldn't come to mind if you actually watched or read it.
TL;DR secondaries is a term that is rather similar to Flat-Earthers, It's often applied to people who want to argue about something but refuse to read anything about it.
@@davedavedave0118 Maybe that was its original use, but nowadays I see it get thrown around at anyone who prefers F/Z and hasn't read the visual novel, even if they haven't done anything wrong or disrespectful to the VN fans, aside from just stating their opinion
As a fate fan I think there are 3 points that absolutely need to be made:
1. We get you into Fate Go to get you to fund the next anime, we're conniving bastards.
2. Don't engage with the beast's lair fandom just enjoy the show.
3. As someone who understood 90% of Fate I'm still scared and confused with Evangelion. Try telling me thats not complicated
ua-cam.com/video/Ho07Ag6lV9g/v-deo.html here's a good video that explains evangelion in 7 minutes, you could also read the wiki too to understand it but the video pretty much covers everything that's in the wiki. A lot of the explanations comes from the PS2 game too lol
we dont even get you _directly_ into Fate Go
1. we always tell others *_Thats hell you're walking into_* .. thats not endorsing the game, thats keeping people away from the pain and salt
2. we provide high-quality fan-arts and *NUKE CODES* .. now thats how we *_convince you_* that the game is good
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True i understood most of the lore of fate and I'm still confused about evangelion
@@jomybaby22-gaming jalter nukes are one of the best fgo "manga" that's just facts
or just read the manga (turas realta) game only get's better after camelot but this manga makes the erlier ones so enjoyable and the MC has an actual character development/personality, he's not just a way to insert you way into the game anymore. I 100% recommend checking it out even if you have played the game (I've only read the prologue and orleans and it was really good orleans was EPIC, it made me cry at the end lol)
You legit never have to read or watch any other Fate series to understand any standalone series or game. Each one explains the important concepts within itself. The stupid ass gatekeepers who insist you read the Vn or watch in a specific order are the only people who make Fate seem super complicated.
Pretty much. Only time a specific order is necessary is for Stay Night and Zero, after that you can basically do whatever the fuck you want.
@@asshatt6908 that’s also untrue. You can watch stay night and Zero in whatever order you want. If you watch Zero first, you are going in chronological order so most people do it that way. But if u watch fsn first, you will have a lot of lightbulb moments about why things are the way they are in FSN, and you can see foreshadowing that you will connects to events you saw in fsn.
Also I just like Zero better than any FSN route. I think it’s more satisfying. So watching that AFTER FSN just feels more cathartic. (Though brave shine and last stardust are better songs)
Either way, just watch them in whatever order you want. You could literally start with FSN, go to Apoc, go to Babylonia, and end with Zero. And it would still be 100% acceptable.
Just don’t watch Last Encore. That shit was trash. Sure it’s beautiful, but you’ll come out of it understanding LESS about Fate Extra when you’re done than you did going in. It’s a HORRIBLE standalone series.
No we insist you read the VN because UBW and HF are horrid adaptations. Do whatever you want after that.
Basically my college friend and I when we try to understand each fandom, only to get my girlfriend interested in both to where she has watched other Nasu works and read to the current part of Jojo (including purple haze feedback).
*i see this as an absolute win*
Lucky you...
She's a keeper, ney, a God
Lucky you my guy
I feel like this could be a doujinshi NTR plot.
Entering FGO for the first time is like entering a bar for the first time.
Everyone is chill and relaxed while falling to existential crisis. Best part is that they accept that fact and tell people to fuck off before its too late like a failed drunk father.
For an FGO fan myself, there has not been a single day of peace and solace especially in the JP server.
To be honest I love Fate more than JoJo since there are so many contents of with tragic.
Don't get me wrong I am a hard-core JoJo fan too but I love tragedy more than bizarre.
A lot of fate is pretty mediocre though
How tf is fate tragic? The most generic shit out there. Jojo more than bizarre, p6, 7 and 8 are story-heavy and have more tragedy.
@@erickramirez6772 its funny if you not denial the only good jojo is part 7, and the other is just shounen generic with super plot armor lol
@@punani_slayer4209 and from 8 part of jojo the only good one is part 7 lmao, the other is just shounen generic
The problem is that others like Kaleid and Grand Order are very mid from the start. Then the latest chapters of both goes explaining the multiverse to the point everything is just insane and I can't wait to see more.
You guys might think Jojo fans thinking that everything is a jojo reference is annoying but last month for me was just people being like "YO IS THAT A LOSTBELT 6 SPOILER???"
🤣🤣
That's because how the LB6 is laid out.. some people want to read the translated story as a whole.. so for them seeing someone summarizing the story or even theory crafting is considered as a spoiler..
@@SuperDio58 They only just saw a picture of Howl from Howl's moving castle
Still you can't compare how annoying JoJo fans
Someone will be running and then JoJo fans will say "IS THAT A JOJO REFERENCE!?!?"
@@guycrimson6885 At least JoJo fans are just joking around.
Someone running would somehow not only spoil the entirety of lostbelt 7.5 for Fate fans but they also are actually complaining to people about getting spoiled.
Let it be known, basically every FGO player warns against starting FGO.
After all,
*That's hell you're walking into*
I like both, both is good.
treat everything (outside Zero, UBW, Fate and Heavens Feel) like you would the Final Fantasy universe. Most of em are based in separate universe but share aspects and world-building. I.E things like magic circuits, magic crests, origins, ley lines and heroic spirits all transfer to other works as well. Pretty much once you watch one of the main shows you're set.
Or forget everything and fuck lore all together. One of the great things about fate is that you can really just forget about most of the lore other than " People with magic fight other people with magic, sometimes with heroes from the past which may or may not be gender bent but hey who cares its anime"
You can definitely get into the nitty gritty of the Nasuverse, but you really dont have to. Grants video really showcased the bliss of understanding the Nasuverse but honestly its optional
Remember, older stuff is better and more powerful because it has more Mystery and will always beat newer stuff. Except for when it doesn't. *Cough* Gilgamesh vs Shirou, Kiritsuga's Origin bullets, f*cking D'EON HAVING A RANKED STR WTF, Black Barrel, Drake/Da Vinci/Tesla/Any Servant with Pioneer of the Stars, just Chaldea as a whole, etc *Cough*
@@gunnarschlichting9886 Old beats new isn't an actual ironclad rule, Napoleon is predated by Mandricardo but Mandricardo winning would require plot armor for example.
Also, G vs S was a matter of affinity, Kerry's OBs specifically fucks up Magic circuits due to how they work but is basically just a bullet that causes necrosis, D'eon is weird and self-hypnosis is weird, Black Barrel is Black Barrel, Honestly everything after that point is explained by "Old beat new" being fanon.
I like how Garnts example of fate toxicity was people giving shit because some watch the show out of order, only for Connor to essentially do the same for skipping parts in JoJo.
And his "they are already losers, because they are Fate fans"
@@vladprus4019 lol. As a Fate watcher , I can say that is accurate
Exactly so hypocritical
Of course, people are fine if it’s only an anime.
JoJo fans will fight anyone outside their fandom for disagreeing with their opinions.
Fate fans will fight everyone in their fandom for agreeing with their opinions.
Zero exaggerations included in this comment.
May Akasha protect us from beginners who discovered Fate Zero and decided to insult everyone liking other type moon stories because "lol fate zero is the best too mature for you fsn is a hentai you degenerate what a shitty spin off of F/Z rofl" because they deserve an enuma elish right to their faces.
@@crash-testproductions9341 Starting with Zero isn’t wrong per se
But those particular people are very annoying and narrow minded to dismiss the rest of TYPE MOON
@@water_color One of the main reason to that is Fate Zero was written by Gen Urobochi and his style is predominant in the show so Fate Zero fans are often less fans of FS/N and more fan of Urobuchi style, which is why they demean other type moon media who don't have the style they wanted from F/Z. For example, if you watch the ending of F/Z and Psycho Pass season 1, you simply can't miss they have been written by the same author. So, instead of going to Fate medias after watching F/Z, most of them should try Urobochi written animated series instead.
@@crash-testproductions9341 if we are being honest fate stay/night fans are just as rude to fate zero fans as fate zero fans are to fate stay/night
(and so the cycle of hatred continues)
@@yurineri2227 Ironic considering Nasu and Urobuchi are friends. This is Naruto vs One Piece all over again.
As someone who has gotten into Fate somewhat recently I don't really get why everyone else says its so complicated. You have a visual with three different endings, Fate/Zero is a prequel, and literally everything else is alternate timelines/universes. That's it. It's not really that hard.
I hate to be that guy, but Fate/Zero is also an alternate timeline to FSN
Yeah, I know we're gonna get attacked here, but Zero is a non-canon prequel to Stay Night. So it's also an alternate timeline.
@@miteigi8334 I'm like 90% convinced that it wasn't supposed to be an alternate timeline but they say it is because Urobuchi contradicted the writing of the existing characters in several places. So because it's Fate and they make up lore to justify everything, they can just go "fuck you, it's an alternate timeline, now there's no contradiction, 10/10 masterclass writing."
"You have a visual with three different endings"
And here's the thing:
people just ignore Visual Novel, mainly due to 3 reasons:
1. Less mainstream medium, so people don't know if they would like it
2. Long, so it can scare away because of commitment
3. Due to way Type-Moon is publishing stuff... let's just say if you are not in Japan, this particular VN is not the easiest in terms of accessibility
Which is a sad thing, because reading VN is the simplest way to get into Fate (if you don't see problem with any of the 3 points). You don't need to think about orders and stuff, you just read. This isn't adaptation, this wasn't written as spin-off or prequel.
But due to those 3 reasons... yeah... you have this weird thing of people arguing about orders.
@@bobjones2959 Iirc, I think it's also because Nasu didn't properly supervised it. So both of them are to blame.
Garnt: "The FGO community is just wholesome"
Me: SASUGA G-
Shiva sama?
Greg sama
@@berington123 what's the story about Greg-sama again?
@@razzildarkbrew1952 mod in fgo fb group who look like adult waver
Jojo: Manga that got an Anime Adaption and goes from Part 1 onward.
Fate: A Visual Novel that got anime adaptations, that have Highlights of something 3 times the size of Lord of Rings Trilogy.
They are very different kinds of Adaptations.
I like both Type-Moon and JoJo, but there's an extreme difference between the two. It's comparing Apples to Oranges. You don't HAVE to read JoJo since there's really no inner monologuing going on, but you really do need to read Fate/Stay Night to really appreciate it.
2:30 that chart is nothing compared to all the fate novels that haven't been adapted yet
that chart is nothing to all the type moon works that haven't been made yet :(
@@hesklairvoyant exactly bro, all the wonderful stories that are sitting still getting dusty
@@DouglasAlexanderRivas yes hopefully a tsukihime anime :)
@@hesklairvoyant wasn't there a really old tsukihime anime?
@@SirWheaty it does not exist.
Man, toxicity of the Fate fans can be infuriating. Even as a Fate fan myself. Especially on watch orders... I rarely touch that subject...
FGO's fans are pretty decent. We're even persuading people to not play the game for their own sake.
Fate Go fans are so welcoming NGL. I asked why I should start the game and they said that I shouldn't. They are trying to save me from the hell. But jokes on them I'm a masochist so I the play the game. Still playing it and I need help please
You new? If so good luck on your journey and always spam heracles it works most of the time
I'm not here to get hyperbolic about what level fan you are or how you got into Fate, yadda yadda. I'm just more peeved at the notion that the visual novel isn't worth your time simply because it is long. Not to be rude, but it does come off mildly hypocritical to criticize Type-Moon elitists for being so dissmisive of new fans yet so many people are dismissive of the visual novel. I'm just saying, maybe don't disregard an entire medium. There is a reason people want you to read it so badly, because it's very much worth your time. Especially if you like the anime. I'm not saying you HAVE to read it. No, do what you want. Just maybe have more of an open mind, the same way you want the toxic fans to.
There's a difference between not wanting to spend 50 hours of your *own* time reading a visual novel, and getting triggered when *someone else* starts watching a media franchise the "wrong" way.
@@bobjones2959 Sure, but it's not like there's a time limit on reading said 50 hours. Read one hour a day and that will take you roughly a month and a half to read. Again, I'm not demanding you read it. I genuinely couldn't care less. But again, refusing to try something simply because it's long just bothers me. I understand not everyone has all the free time in the word, but if, for example, you want to watch all of the mainline Fate anime (SN & Zero) it translates to roughly 34.5 hours, give or take. Including 06 but none of the spinoffs. I know 15 hours is a decent enough difference, but I doubt your entire media consumption ends there. It seems far more likely that it's not about the time commitment, but what you're putting that time into.
Overall, I have the feeling this thing goes both ways:
Situation A:
"Okay, how I get into Fate"
"Just read the Visual Novel. It is so good."
"Unfortunately, I am not good with reading and I don't know much about technical stuff as it is not officially released. Is there another way? I know it may not be "optimal", but I still want it"
"WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU DON'T WANT TO READ IT? YOU ARE PROBABLY JUST NORMIE SECONDARY"
Situation B:
"Okay, what is the best way to get into Fate?"
"Just read the Visual Novel. It is not adaptation, it is self-contained and you don't need to think about any order while reading that. Afterwards you can just go whenever"
"I don't want read anything, I want anime!"
"Okay, but it is more complicated, you see...."
"Why this is so messed up? Is there are no simple way to get into fate"
"Well, there is, but you just rejected it."
"WHY YOU KEEP PUSHING THIS ON ME YOU ELITIST PRICK"
@@vladprus4019 Yeah, no side is perfect. What it comes down to, is if you ask me, I say "The visual novel is the best way. I love it, and if you're at all interested in the series, it's worth your time. If you don't want to read, then anime wise, I recommend F/SN 2006, F/ZERO, UBW 2014 and HF Trilogy. Do whatever you want afterwards."
That's my recommendation anyway. I know including 06 is a point of contention for most, but I think it's overhated and has some merit. I've introduced quite a few people into the series at this point, have had zero people want to read the vn, but the people who follow my anime recommendation order enjoy it. I don't care how you do it ultimately, but I do give my suggestion if asked. To me if you're asked, be polite but give your opinion. If they follow, cool. If not, cool. It's of no concern to me. I do think if more people gave the vn a shot they'd enjoy it more than they think, but I'm not going to force anybody.
@@KingOfHart34 Personally, those things are one of the reason why I prefer Tsukihme as sub-franchise over Fate (I still prefer Fate/Stay Night over Tsukihime as singular work though). There are no numerous adaptations done with varying quality and out of order. There is really no "watch order" debate or anything like that.
Than again, there is some... dissatisfaction towards Grand Order with Tsukihime fans because:
1. It made Tsukihime Remake released way later (and overall took attention of the Type-Moon)
2. It "retconned" Tsukihime as being in slightly different setting than Fate (very small minority though)
3. Fear that Tsukihime later will be just like FGO (I am now reading Remake and it is still Tsukihime imo, just slightly different)
Getting in to Fate is not complicated. Do you wanna play the VN? Do that first. If not, just watch UBW, Heaven's feel, and Zero. After that do literally whatever the fuck you want.
It's not complicated.
I mean..... Mostly all animes are ALREADY in a order when they come out, so if you have to just pick anyone at random and watch that already makes it complicated 'by anime standards' where mostly everything is in a set order.
@@justsomeguyontheinternet.4398 i mean I don't really see how it's an issue. It was adapted separately because it was originally a VN. If you don't wanna do that all you have to do it watch the Heavens feel movies after UBW. You only switch 2 things in the release order.
@@justsomeguyontheinternet.4398 I just suggest my friends to watch Ufotable's adaptation in release order first . i.e. Zero>ubw > heaven's feels. Then do whatever the fuck you want
eh, JoJo started in the 90s with an OVA for part 3 when they got to Egypt making it confusing for newcomers, but no one every says they get confused on the order of JoJo
@@thomasffrench3639 because no one watches a 90s show when there are clear better options, same reason why the deen adaption of fate never gets recommended
Here’s the thing with fate
Most of the series currently adapted are (usually) self contained in their own timeline separate from the others
The only time that certain things cross paths is in fgo
For example
In apocrypha
There are next to no references to fate zero or stay night besides the flashbacks to Mordred’s past cause ya know
Son of King Arthur and all that
Fgo (and technically carnival phantasm and grand carnival) are the only times that stuff crosses over
I’m probably wrong so let’s see how this goes
You're right tho
Zero, UBW and HF are the main titles. The rest, you can watch if you want, it doesn't matter. As a FGO player though, I still am waiting for other Singularities/LBs to be animated too...
You can always recommend Babylonia for the NPs and cool fight scenes.
@@AzureDragon100 its also a great recommendation to destroy speakers
@@Silver-Arrow hey, dubstep Enuma Elish is best Enuma Elish
don't forget Fate route, that one's actually pretty important too (though it doesn't have a super faithful adaptation yet unfortunately)
@@asshatt6908 fate route is the regular battle royale the holy grail war was always meant to be. Other than establishing the mystery of archer and why shirou is so good at projection, /Zero is "better" at delivering that experience
The fate series is only as complicated as you want it to be. Its because people seem to consider everything at once even though almost all of it except Fate Zero and FSN can be ignored at first. The only question that needs to be considered is do i want to take the ideal route with the FSN VN or do i want something quick with the FSN anime? That's all
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Fate isn’t that complicated do you want Shirou to F Saber, Rin, or Sakura. The other fates don’t matter watch them after you watch Shirou F one of the 3. Garnt makes it complicated because he tries to explain how they fit in chronologicaly, but that doesn’t really matter.