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The physical expression and the intonation with which he says "Lead them to paradise" (meaning, go fight our enemy to the last) implies utter defeat. This is no victory to him. Maybe, in this brief moment in time, it seems as though he has gotten his revenge, has freed Arrakis, liberated the Fremen and ensured their protection by becoming Emperor, but it's profoundly heavy with consequences. He knows he has subjugated an entire people to his will, made them forever prisoner of their own religious fervor and fanatism, beliefs he knows were based off of Bene Gesserit manufactured lies, he knows he has effectively made himself a tyrant to the rest of the imperium, he knows he has failed to prevent the holy war that will take billions of lives... "To know the future is to be trapped by it." What alternative was there? None that wouldn't have been as equally disastrous. It was an impossible situation with no good way out. Paul knows every consequence to every choice, and in the end, he still needed to make a terrible choice leading to terrible outcomes, and while this may be the "lesser" evil, Paul still has to live with knowing what will come of it. He is a tragic character who never got to be who he wanted to be, and was forced into roles he didn't wish for himself (the Kwisatz Haderach, the messianic Lisan al-Gaib, the leader of the Fremen, etc.). One might see him as the villain by the end of Dune, but certainly not by choice or intent. His character is infinitely more complicated than the traditional villain in that sense.
There are 2 things missing from this amazing movie: (1) Paul was trained from birth not only as a Bene Gesserit but also as a Mentat by Thufir Hawat. This makes him not only able to control the inconscious (bodily metabolism, biochemistry, heartrate, muscles, etc.) and subconscious. As a Mentat, he's a unconscious and conscious strategist and processor of surrounding data, especially after taking the water of life. (2) Baron Harkonnen was Lady Jessica's father but the books reveal that Gaius Helen Mohiam is her mother. This gives you more depth in understanding the story of how the Bene Gesserit truly manipulated the bloodlines. Neither of these points were crucial in this movie's storytelling but shows the 'plans within plans' of this world. Nothing is as it seems. You're right, he is no hero but Paul had few choices based on how he was set up before he was born and even in his training.
“I wrote the Dune series because I had this idea that charismatic leaders ought to come with a warning label on their forehead: "May be dangerous to your health." One of the most dangerous presidents we had in this century was John Kennedy because people said "Yes Sir Mr. Charismatic Leader what do we do next?” -Frank Herbert.
Hmm, interesting realization because now that I’m thinking about it, yes, since JFK was the youngest president in the nation’s history, he had more support than most presidents combine and as a result, the people tend to follow those who believes their worthy because of their influence over them.
At the same time, JFK was one of the only US presidents ever that was actually against the war-mongering, world-domination-obsessed, blood-lusting elites.
@@Arrynek01 Yeah, his apprehension of JFK was pretty misplaced I'd say, but Herbert was Republican, so not really surprising. Any leader needs a certain degree of charisma in order to be an engaging speaker, inspiring people, calling people to action, etc., so JFK was never remotely the menace he imagined, he just did his job well. The true danger only really arises when people completely loses their sense of discernement, rationality and critical thinking in favor of cult-like thinking and elevating a person to "divine" status, creating a cult of personality. FANATISM is the real thing to be wary of, and that fanatism being weaponized.
I read the first book back when I was (I think) 13 and very much swallowed the Paul’s heroic revenge interpretation. On re-reading though, there is one line in particular that stuck with me, in which Paul considers that Stilgar was once a friend but has now become a “creature of Muad’dib”. That’s the line that caused my reassessment of Paul’s journey based on how he used the Fremen.
58:19 the point isn't to be a hero. The point is doing what needs to be done. Leaders have to make hard decisions that cost lives. People were going to die no matter what. The power didn't corrupt Paul, it gave him the ability to see the future and take the path that costs the least amount of lives (which is still going to be a lot lol). Paul didn't lose site of himself. He accepted what he had to do. Albeit reluctantly. 3rd movie is already in development 👍
The Fremen don’t use shields because it draws the worms - it was mentioned in the first film but not reiterated in this one. It’s only the Harkonnen ‘thopters using them habitually in the desert - in the first scene on Arrakis the leader of the Harkonnen troops specifically orders “No shields.”
Allways the same with reactionists. They ask questions to obvious things ( why no fremen's using shields etc ). If they only watch the movie and listen instead to babble and mumble all the time!
I didn’t notice it at first but when someone pointed it out I couldn’t stop thinking about it. Austin butler as Feyd literally sounds like a young Stellan Skarsgård. He said that he got the voice by watching his films
They don't have shields on the ground because it draws the worms. The omnicopter is not on the ground so they can have shields. Some areas do not have sand worms nearby so in there they can use shields
This movie really focuses on the topic about religious aspects combining with political standpoints are very tricky and touchy subjects because it has so much grasp over the people who have those beliefs ingrained in their DNA before they could even walk. For the believers, they’re the perfect choice to lead them anywhere since they’ll do just about anything; the atheists, not so much because to them, seeing is believing. With Paul embracing his role as the Savior of the Fremen, he understood what was at stake when he truly understood that this wasn’t about him or the rest of his family but also the natives since he knows that they conquered their lands for their resources, just like the rest of the Great Houses. From there, he had great concern for them when he had those premonitions of what’s to come. However, whether he chooses this or not, they’re bound to be casualties of war eventually and that… is inevitable. When he made the Emperor kiss the family ring, I was like “Respect” because they wanted to extinguish his entire bloodline due to the fear of their dangerous potential and it failed spectacularly that now, the war that will determine the fate the planet and its people had begun. Once again, Hans Zimmer did the heavy lifting of storytelling through his music.
HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU BOTH READ THE BOOK! Paul's Priorities: 1 Protect His Loved ones and Himself - this includes Jessica, Alia, Gurney, Stilgar, Chani and other Fremen friends 2 Revenge against the Harkonnens and Shaddam Corrino IV 3 Try and make sure the coming Jihad doesn't happen 4 After surviving the Water of Life, he realizes that by helping the Fremen and getting revenge on Houses Harkonnen and Corrino can only lead to galactic war no matter if he takes control of the Fremen or not. His best bet was to make sure he could at least be there to steer the wrath of the Fremen, and if he did not do this, there would be an even greater destruction awaiting humanity. He wasn't good nor evil. After seeing the future that awaited humanity, he was the only person who could make the hard choice and help ensure the human race's survival. Even if that meant unleashing a war that kills 60+Billion lives. He was a man who could see the future and was himself trapped by it.
BTW the Kwizatz Haderach is a eugenics experiment based on thousands of years of planning. The Lisan Al Gaib is a generic prophecy to assist wayward Bene Gesserit and just in casevthe Kwizatz Haderach was there. Every planet has thier own version of this prophecy. Its simply a matter of converging all these things at once through him at this point in thier history that makes him unique.
Yes, and something not mentioned in the movies is the Fremen's resentment for the rest of the universe that has persecuted them their entire history before exiling themselves to Dune. "Never forget, never forgive" is a motto repeated by Fremen in the book concerning their past. When the holy war begins, it's not only to spread the only "true" religion, the religion of Muad'Dib, but it's also an opportunity for retribution. Had Paul not been there holding their leash somewhat (his control being very limited once fanatism takes a life of its own), they could've been even more destructive.
'May thy knife chip and shatter' So many amazing quotes in this film. I also saw it in IMAX and it felt like I was on spice, an incredibly beautiful film with outstanding sound, music, and actors.
36:14, in the books not only does Gurney survive Thufir Hawat also survives. A couple of big changes from the books. Three character rich conversations from the book are missing from the showdown scene with the Emperor. 1) Thufir Hawat (the older chubby man from the first movie) Duke Leto’s Mentat advisor actually survived the Fall of House Atreides. The Harkonnens captured him and forced him to work for them. In secret despite being brutalized constantly, Thufir was still loyal to House Atreides. So when he found out that Gurney was still alive, he started feeding Gurney information to hurt the Harkonnen's spice trade. In this final scene, Thufir is given a poison needle to jab Paul with. Instead of betraying Paul he stabs his own hand with it. Thufir lives long enough to stand in front of Paul and address him as “My Duke”. It is a bittersweet moment for both of them as Thufir was like a grandfather to Paul. Thufir died happy to see Paul live to avenge his father and reestablish House Atreides. He had served Paul's grandfather Paulus Atreides and then his father Leto Atreides. So with his last breath Thufir let Paul know "I'm still your loyal man now and for always". As soon as Thufir dies, Paul stands up, wipes away his tears and calls out Feyd Rautha. He wanted to make sure everyone responsible for the death of his father and teachers would get it. Denis Villanueve did film this final scene but left it on the cutting room floor. Steven M. McKinley who played Thufir Hawat gave an interview about being disappointed that his work was left out of the second movie. 2) After Paul defeats Feyd, the Emperor Shaddam asks his best friend Count Hasimir Fenring to challenge Paul. Fenring is the husband of Margot Fenring the Bene Gesserit who got impregnated by Feyd. Fenring despite his mild manner appearance is the Emperor's personal hitman. Fenring is almost a Kwitzach Haderach like Paul and has been trained by his wife Margot in Bene Gesserit ways. So with all of those skills Fenring could potentially defeat Paul in single combat But when Fenring and Paul looked at one another across the throne room, they experienced a shared moment of kinship. Fenring sees in Paul all he could have become had he not been born a genetic eunuch. Because of this birth defect Fenring can't father children with his beautiful wife or any woman. Paul also sees what Fenring is seeing in that moment and conveys back to the Count not pity but brotherhood. After that shared moment, Fenring turns to his best friend Emperor Shaddam and says "No". This was the first time that Shaddam was ever turned down by Fenring and he is shook to his core. Denis Villanueve also filmed this final scene but left it on the cutting room floor. Actor Tim Blake Nelson who played Count Fenring has also given interviews about his heartbreak with being left out. 3) Paul and Jessica letting Chani know that the marriage to Princess Irulan is merely political. They explain that Paul will never spend time with Irulan, show her any passion or sire children with her. The Imperial marriage is all for show. Paul basically marries Irulan then goes home to Chani. They never mistreat the Princess but everyone knows that she is Empress in name only. David Lynch the director of the 1984 version of Dune actually filmed both the Thufir and Chani scenes and they can be found on UA-cam.
What you don’t realize is that Paul has no option. He’s not a hero, but he’s not a villain either. He’s a man who’s following the only path that leads to the survival of his people.
The vital part that you miss is that he didn't have much choices here. Or any at all, as far as we know. He saw the future, the paths to victory were very narrow. His power was very real, he didn't just pretend like any other religious leader would. The fight was not over, the other great houses would want to kill them for it anyway. The Fremen would have probably died because they disrupted the spice production. And as a wise man once said, "rather than my mother crying, it's better for theirs to cry". If I knew that I don't have a chance otherwise, I would have done the same.
In the book Chani knows early on that Paul is going to marry the Emperor's daughter, accepts and agrees with it. She knows the only way for the Fremen to be free is to have one of their own (Paul) be Emperor, and the only way for that to happen is if Paul marries the Emperor's daughter. She understands this, knows she will be like Paul's mother (unmarried but her mate's true love) and goes along with it. Much less bitter angst.
The script for DUNE Messiah is being written as we speak but for everybody who’s read the books they know what’s coming and it’s truly horrifying what we’re going to see in the third movie and the dune trilogy will be a trilogy that does not have a happy ending most trilogies have either a happy ending or a somewhat bitter sweet ending the dune trilogy is not going to get a happy ending just based on the source material because the Director has said once he makes the next movie that is it
This IP sure is beating the brakes off Disney Star Wars. Its what happens when you combine a director with a true vision, a plan to put it in motion, no president of company hamstringing their every decision, great writing, great actors, and mind blowing visuals. All the other studios, IPs, etc. should pay attention.
If Jessica had a daughter like she was supposed to, she would've been a concubine to Feyd Rautha. And she would have never known her family, just as Jessica never knew hers. Jessica also knew that Leto really wanted a son. He never told her that, never asked for a son, never influenced her on this, but she decided, screw them all, I love this man, I'll give him a son. And as another screw you - I'll teach him the Bene Gesserit skills, and he will grow as Leto's legacy, brilliant intellect as a result of multiple cross-breedings, and never influenced by this legion of witches. That choice is what makes her terrified - she ruined all of their plans, and Paul is forever in danger. That's why she would do anything to keep him safe (just as Leto asked, will you protect him as Bene Gesserit, not just a mother?). Drink poison - sure, become Reverend Mother - sure, pain of thousand of generations -absolutely, just to keep him safe.
38:59, Use of atomic weapons is prohibited against population centers. If Paul had used those bombs against a city of people then all of the Great Houses of the Landsraad would attack him and the Fremen with their nukes. However, Paul used the bombs to destroy a piece of desert landscape so he gets a pass.
Hi Tim It's great to see your reaction to dune 2 with Clariss I even saw your reaction on her channel to this movie. :) And I also love your reactions together at twister🌪🌪🌪
13:33 there is not witchcraft or magic in dune. Think of it more like DID or “multiple personalities” where because Alia isn’t trained mentally, all those memories and emotions are imprinted on the baby, but she does not have the mental or emotional training to hold those personalities at bay. Even when Jessica says “all of us” she succumbs and lets it out sometimes, but I will completely control Alia after awhile
47:33, You got it. Paul is looking into his very near future and repeating back to the crowd what he saw himself saying. He was able to do this to a certain extent in the first movie like when he spoke to Dr. Kynes. Now that he is mainlining the spice he can do this in real time. Paul is straight up gaslighting the Fremen.
nuclear weapons are only outlawed to be used on other humans.... in this case Paul uses loop hole and only used them Shield wall to open the way for the worms
Not agree with the title. Those two films are differents. For instance in the first one you have more different universes and more colors.. and when it was released/showned (2021) it was a shock to the eyes at the cinema. IN the second one the story and the characters are more developed and allow incredible feats of actors: Timothy Chalamey, Zendaya, Rebecca Fergusson, Javier Bardem, etc..😃😀
There's a big subplot that was cut from the film, involving Gurney and Jessica. He suspected she was the traitor and planned to kill her as revenge. The timeline of the story is also vastly accelerated. Paul and Chani had a son, who was killed in the attack on the Sietch's. And Aliya is a girl of 5 at the battle of Arrakeen, It is she who kills the Baron, not Paul. They also cut the fact that, as the one who killed Jamis; Paul "inherited" his widow and kids. It is hinted in the film, but in the book the Baron is openly gay, and he has an incestuous relationship with Feyd.
@@jackg.1683 I would say it is heavily implied that the Baron is being inappropriate with Feyd just like he is with his slave boys. There is even another subplot in which Feyd has poison quills put in one of the boys in a spot he knows the Baron would touch. This makes me believe, Feyd knows this information from personal experience.
Very good reaction. BTW, you should also react to the Dune miniseries, which you can find it easily and freely on UA-cam, since it's the most faithful adaptation of the book. And if you want to know more about what happened to the characters after that first story, you can also react to "Children of Dune (2003)" miniseries, which is also free on UA-cam.
You can't blame his followers for believing. It is a manipulated prophecy and religion, but it is based in the real prophecy of the Kwisatz Haderach. He is actually the chosen one with power that nobody else had and the Bene Gesserit use that to pave a way for him. Hard to not follow someone who can see all possible futures and the past
hitting on the part regarding the use of atomic weapons: yeah, since the formation of the Empire of a million worlds and the Landsraad, the use of atomic weapons was meant to be only used against an alien race if it proved to be harmful, never to be used against humans because of the previous war against thinking machines (A.I.). Earth had been reduced to a burned up cinder because of atomics during that war. so Paul, using his family's atomic weapons was a major taboo, even to threaten using them against humanity was considered a crime against humanity.
I personally dislike how in the movie, it seems somewhat one-dimensionally clear that Paul is not "really" the Chosen One. The Stilgar faction is portrayed as kind of goofy, while Chani and her ilk totally don't believe in any of the things their highly reclusive and traditionalist people have been brought up with for thousands of years, because... reasons. In the books, the whole theme is that Paul, well... kind of IS the One. But that, at the same time, there are different ideas about what exactly he is, what it means, etc. - the Fremen view him as their Messiah, but the Kwisatz Haderach is actually something much grander in scale than the savior of one singular people / religious group (which also doesn't totally come across in the movies, in my opinion). While the beliefs the Fremen hold have been put in place to be utilised by Bene Gesserit, Paul is also viewed as a kind of ultimate human by the Bene Gesserit themselves. Even if they are much more pragmatic about it... his powers are pretty real. In my opinion, that's what made the books so fascinating, not that Paul fakes his way through by pretending to be the Messiah in a particularly proactive fashion... but that he really IS the Messiah (kind of), yet also knows in which ways his former friends have been culturally indoctrinated to deify him, and that he can not escape a terrible future.
Loved your reaction as always. You should watch society of the snow. It's a great movie and I would love to hear what you have to say about that one. If you do watch it I recommend the original language with subtitles, the acting was amazing.
This IP sure is beating the brakes off Disney Star Wars. Its what happens when you combine a director with a true vision, a plan to put it in motion, no president of company hamstringing their every decision, great writing, great actors, and mind blowing visuals. All the other studios, IPs, etc. should pay attention.
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"Lead them to paradise." goes hard ngl, also power didn't corrupt him. He simply became a slave to the future that only he can see.
the golden path
The physical expression and the intonation with which he says "Lead them to paradise" (meaning, go fight our enemy to the last) implies utter defeat. This is no victory to him. Maybe, in this brief moment in time, it seems as though he has gotten his revenge, has freed Arrakis, liberated the Fremen and ensured their protection by becoming Emperor, but it's profoundly heavy with consequences. He knows he has subjugated an entire people to his will, made them forever prisoner of their own religious fervor and fanatism, beliefs he knows were based off of Bene Gesserit manufactured lies, he knows he has effectively made himself a tyrant to the rest of the imperium, he knows he has failed to prevent the holy war that will take billions of lives... "To know the future is to be trapped by it." What alternative was there? None that wouldn't have been as equally disastrous. It was an impossible situation with no good way out. Paul knows every consequence to every choice, and in the end, he still needed to make a terrible choice leading to terrible outcomes, and while this may be the "lesser" evil, Paul still has to live with knowing what will come of it. He is a tragic character who never got to be who he wanted to be, and was forced into roles he didn't wish for himself (the Kwisatz Haderach, the messianic Lisan al-Gaib, the leader of the Fremen, etc.). One might see him as the villain by the end of Dune, but certainly not by choice or intent. His character is infinitely more complicated than the traditional villain in that sense.
@@xen0bia You nailed it.
It's not that he lost himself or is corrupted by power. He knows how this story plays out already, and what happens if he doesn't choose this path.
There are far worse fates for the human race out there.
There are 2 things missing from this amazing movie: (1) Paul was trained from birth not only as a Bene Gesserit but also as a Mentat by Thufir Hawat. This makes him not only able to control the inconscious (bodily metabolism, biochemistry, heartrate, muscles, etc.) and subconscious. As a Mentat, he's a unconscious and conscious strategist and processor of surrounding data, especially after taking the water of life. (2) Baron Harkonnen was Lady Jessica's father but the books reveal that Gaius Helen Mohiam is her mother. This gives you more depth in understanding the story of how the Bene Gesserit truly manipulated the bloodlines. Neither of these points were crucial in this movie's storytelling but shows the 'plans within plans' of this world. Nothing is as it seems. You're right, he is no hero but Paul had few choices based on how he was set up before he was born and even in his training.
My favorite part of Part Two was pretty much the Hans Zimmer score. I’m not even kidding, this has to be one of his best music score for movies.
Dune part 2 and Pirates of the Caribbean are my favorite of his work.
“I wrote the Dune series because I had this idea that charismatic leaders ought to come with a warning label on their forehead: "May be dangerous to your health." One of the most dangerous presidents we had in this century was John Kennedy because people said "Yes Sir Mr. Charismatic Leader what do we do next?” -Frank Herbert.
Hmm, interesting realization because now that I’m thinking about it, yes, since JFK was the youngest president in the nation’s history, he had more support than most presidents combine and as a result, the people tend to follow those who believes their worthy because of their influence over them.
At the same time, JFK was one of the only US presidents ever that was actually against the war-mongering, world-domination-obsessed, blood-lusting elites.
I got the theme way back when... But I assumed it was about Hitler, or Napoleon.
I still remember finding out he meant Kennedy. That blew my mind.
@@Arrynek01 Yeah, his apprehension of JFK was pretty misplaced I'd say, but Herbert was Republican, so not really surprising. Any leader needs a certain degree of charisma in order to be an engaging speaker, inspiring people, calling people to action, etc., so JFK was never remotely the menace he imagined, he just did his job well. The true danger only really arises when people completely loses their sense of discernement, rationality and critical thinking in favor of cult-like thinking and elevating a person to "divine" status, creating a cult of personality. FANATISM is the real thing to be wary of, and that fanatism being weaponized.
I read the first book back when I was (I think) 13 and very much swallowed the Paul’s heroic revenge interpretation. On re-reading though, there is one line in particular that stuck with me, in which Paul considers that Stilgar was once a friend but has now become a “creature of Muad’dib”. That’s the line that caused my reassessment of Paul’s journey based on how he used the Fremen.
Remember how he started as a wise leader/mentor figure? All that he was is gone, only blind worship remains.
58:19 the point isn't to be a hero. The point is doing what needs to be done. Leaders have to make hard decisions that cost lives. People were going to die no matter what. The power didn't corrupt Paul, it gave him the ability to see the future and take the path that costs the least amount of lives (which is still going to be a lot lol).
Paul didn't lose site of himself. He accepted what he had to do. Albeit reluctantly.
3rd movie is already in development 👍
The Fremen don’t use shields because it draws the worms - it was mentioned in the first film but not reiterated in this one. It’s only the Harkonnen ‘thopters using them habitually in the desert - in the first scene on Arrakis the leader of the Harkonnen troops specifically orders “No shields.”
Allways the same with reactionists. They ask questions to obvious things ( why no fremen's using shields etc ). If they only watch the movie and listen instead to babble and mumble all the time!
I didn’t notice it at first but when someone pointed it out I couldn’t stop thinking about it. Austin butler as Feyd literally sounds like a young Stellan Skarsgård. He said that he got the voice by watching his films
The greatest epic in science fiction of recent memory.
They don't have shields on the ground because it draws the worms. The omnicopter is not on the ground so they can have shields. Some areas do not have sand worms nearby so in there they can use shields
This movie really focuses on the topic about religious aspects combining with political standpoints are very tricky and touchy subjects because it has so much grasp over the people who have those beliefs ingrained in their DNA before they could even walk. For the believers, they’re the perfect choice to lead them anywhere since they’ll do just about anything; the atheists, not so much because to them, seeing is believing. With Paul embracing his role as the Savior of the Fremen, he understood what was at stake when he truly understood that this wasn’t about him or the rest of his family but also the natives since he knows that they conquered their lands for their resources, just like the rest of the Great Houses. From there, he had great concern for them when he had those premonitions of what’s to come. However, whether he chooses this or not, they’re bound to be casualties of war eventually and that… is inevitable. When he made the Emperor kiss the family ring, I was like “Respect” because they wanted to extinguish his entire bloodline due to the fear of their dangerous potential and it failed spectacularly that now, the war that will determine the fate the planet and its people had begun. Once again, Hans Zimmer did the heavy lifting of storytelling through his music.
Talking over the worm riding sequence. Brilliant.
HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU BOTH READ THE BOOK!
Paul's Priorities:
1 Protect His Loved ones and Himself - this includes Jessica, Alia, Gurney, Stilgar, Chani and other Fremen friends
2 Revenge against the Harkonnens and Shaddam Corrino IV
3 Try and make sure the coming Jihad doesn't happen
4 After surviving the Water of Life, he realizes that by helping the Fremen and getting revenge on Houses Harkonnen and Corrino can only lead to galactic war no matter if he takes control of the Fremen or not. His best bet was to make sure he could at least be there to steer the wrath of the Fremen, and if he did not do this, there would be an even greater destruction awaiting humanity.
He wasn't good nor evil. After seeing the future that awaited humanity, he was the only person who could make the hard choice and help ensure the human race's survival. Even if that meant unleashing a war that kills 60+Billion lives.
He was a man who could see the future and was himself trapped by it.
BTW the Kwizatz Haderach is a eugenics experiment based on thousands of years of planning. The Lisan Al Gaib is a generic prophecy to assist wayward Bene Gesserit and just in casevthe Kwizatz Haderach was there. Every planet has thier own version of this prophecy. Its simply a matter of converging all these things at once through him at this point in thier history that makes him unique.
Yes, and something not mentioned in the movies is the Fremen's resentment for the rest of the universe that has persecuted them their entire history before exiling themselves to Dune. "Never forget, never forgive" is a motto repeated by Fremen in the book concerning their past. When the holy war begins, it's not only to spread the only "true" religion, the religion of Muad'Dib, but it's also an opportunity for retribution. Had Paul not been there holding their leash somewhat (his control being very limited once fanatism takes a life of its own), they could've been even more destructive.
Charlotte Rampling's performance in this movie was incredible
May thy knife Chip. And Shatter
This is The best IMAX experience I’ve ever had In my life
'May thy knife chip and shatter'
So many amazing quotes in this film. I also saw it in IMAX and it felt like I was on spice, an incredibly beautiful film with outstanding sound, music, and actors.
In defense of the first film, it was setting it all up for this film, fruition ;)
36:14, in the books not only does Gurney survive Thufir Hawat also survives.
A couple of big changes from the books. Three character rich conversations from the book are missing from the showdown scene with the Emperor.
1) Thufir Hawat (the older chubby man from the first movie) Duke Leto’s Mentat advisor actually survived the Fall of House Atreides. The Harkonnens captured him and forced him to work for them. In secret despite being brutalized constantly, Thufir was still loyal to House Atreides. So when he found out that Gurney was still alive, he started feeding Gurney information to hurt the Harkonnen's spice trade.
In this final scene, Thufir is given a poison needle to jab Paul with. Instead of betraying Paul he stabs his own hand with it. Thufir lives long enough to stand in front of Paul and address him as “My Duke”. It is a bittersweet moment for both of them as Thufir was like a grandfather to Paul. Thufir died happy to see Paul live to avenge his father and reestablish House Atreides. He had served Paul's grandfather Paulus Atreides and then his father Leto Atreides. So with his last breath Thufir let Paul know "I'm still your loyal man now and for always".
As soon as Thufir dies, Paul stands up, wipes away his tears and calls out Feyd Rautha. He wanted to make sure everyone responsible for the death of his father and teachers would get it.
Denis Villanueve did film this final scene but left it on the cutting room floor. Steven M. McKinley who played Thufir Hawat gave an interview about being disappointed that his work was left out of the second movie.
2) After Paul defeats Feyd, the Emperor Shaddam asks his best friend Count Hasimir Fenring to challenge Paul. Fenring is the husband of Margot Fenring the Bene Gesserit who got impregnated by Feyd. Fenring despite his mild manner appearance is the Emperor's personal hitman. Fenring is almost a Kwitzach Haderach like Paul and has been trained by his wife Margot in Bene Gesserit ways. So with all of those skills Fenring could potentially defeat Paul in single combat
But when Fenring and Paul looked at one another across the throne room, they experienced a shared moment of kinship. Fenring sees in Paul all he could have become had he not been born a genetic eunuch. Because of this birth defect Fenring can't father children with his beautiful wife or any woman. Paul also sees what Fenring is seeing in that moment and conveys back to the Count not pity but brotherhood. After that shared moment, Fenring turns to his best friend Emperor Shaddam and says "No". This was the first time that Shaddam was ever turned down by Fenring and he is shook to his core.
Denis Villanueve also filmed this final scene but left it on the cutting room floor. Actor Tim Blake Nelson who played Count Fenring has also given interviews about his heartbreak with being left out.
3) Paul and Jessica letting Chani know that the marriage to Princess Irulan is merely political. They explain that Paul will never spend time with Irulan, show her any passion or sire children with her. The Imperial marriage is all for show. Paul basically marries Irulan then goes home to Chani. They never mistreat the Princess but everyone knows that she is Empress in name only.
David Lynch the director of the 1984 version of Dune actually filmed both the Thufir and Chani scenes and they can be found on UA-cam.
Watched this film on IMAX after a tiring work day. 😩
The film EXCEEDED my expectations. 😁 👏
What you don’t realize is that Paul has no option. He’s not a hero, but he’s not a villain either. He’s a man who’s following the only path that leads to the survival of his people.
The sleeper has awakened !
The popcorn buckets based on this movie will never be forgotten. LOL
The vital part that you miss is that he didn't have much choices here. Or any at all, as far as we know. He saw the future, the paths to victory were very narrow. His power was very real, he didn't just pretend like any other religious leader would.
The fight was not over, the other great houses would want to kill them for it anyway. The Fremen would have probably died because they disrupted the spice production. And as a wise man once said, "rather than my mother crying, it's better for theirs to cry". If I knew that I don't have a chance otherwise, I would have done the same.
In the book Chani knows early on that Paul is going to marry the Emperor's daughter, accepts and agrees with it. She knows the only way for the Fremen to be free is to have one of their own (Paul) be Emperor, and the only way for that to happen is if Paul marries the Emperor's daughter. She understands this, knows she will be like Paul's mother (unmarried but her mate's true love) and goes along with it. Much less bitter angst.
The script for DUNE Messiah is being written as we speak but for everybody who’s read the books they know what’s coming and it’s truly horrifying what we’re going to see in the third movie and the dune trilogy will be a trilogy that does not have a happy ending most trilogies have either a happy ending or a somewhat bitter sweet ending the dune trilogy is not going to get a happy ending just based on the source material because the Director has said once he makes the next movie that is it
Awesome reaction of my favorite Dune movie!!!!!!😊😊😊😊😊😊
This IP sure is beating the brakes off Disney Star Wars. Its what happens when you combine a director with a true vision, a plan to put it in motion, no president of company hamstringing their every decision, great writing, great actors, and mind blowing visuals. All the other studios, IPs, etc. should pay attention.
If Jessica had a daughter like she was supposed to, she would've been a concubine to Feyd Rautha. And she would have never known her family, just as Jessica never knew hers.
Jessica also knew that Leto really wanted a son. He never told her that, never asked for a son, never influenced her on this, but she decided, screw them all, I love this man, I'll give him a son. And as another screw you - I'll teach him the Bene Gesserit skills, and he will grow as Leto's legacy, brilliant intellect as a result of multiple cross-breedings, and never influenced by this legion of witches.
That choice is what makes her terrified - she ruined all of their plans, and Paul is forever in danger. That's why she would do anything to keep him safe (just as Leto asked, will you protect him as Bene Gesserit, not just a mother?). Drink poison - sure, become Reverend Mother - sure, pain of thousand of generations -absolutely, just to keep him safe.
The biggest difference between the book, and the movies is the Fremen, and especially Chani, they are all believers, there is no divide.
When I first read the book and got to the part where Paul found out he was the grandson of Baron Vladimir Harkonnen, I was really upset.
Thanos: reality is often disappointing
38:59, Use of atomic weapons is prohibited against population centers. If Paul had used those bombs against a city of people then all of the Great Houses of the Landsraad would attack him and the Fremen with their nukes. However, Paul used the bombs to destroy a piece of desert landscape so he gets a pass.
Hi Tim It's great to see your reaction to dune 2 with Clariss I even saw your reaction on her channel to this movie. :)
And I also love your reactions together at twister🌪🌪🌪
21:36 Paul got that rizz. Chani is gonna show him the way to a lot of things. 😂🤣
LOL at cutting out the Feyd scene because it was too violent.
Which is odd because the movie is only PG-13.
@@RYMAN1321 Well, not only that, but that particular scene doesn't show any graphic violence, its only sounds. Horrifying sounds but its only sounds.
13:33 there is not witchcraft or magic in dune. Think of it more like DID or “multiple personalities” where because Alia isn’t trained mentally, all those memories and emotions are imprinted on the baby, but she does not have the mental or emotional training to hold those personalities at bay. Even when Jessica says “all of us” she succumbs and lets it out sometimes, but I will completely control Alia after awhile
Saw in theaters was amazing, I loved the score from Han Zimmer.
Fantastic ❤❤
It's s story... a collection of books the story is told so far over 2 movies . One is as important as the other. Wait for the third.
Also this is just the story from the first book. There are another 2, 3 if your being serious. That's lord of the rings times 2
47:33, You got it. Paul is looking into his very near future and repeating back to the crowd what he saw himself saying. He was able to do this to a certain extent in the first movie like when he spoke to Dr. Kynes. Now that he is mainlining the spice he can do this in real time. Paul is straight up gaslighting the Fremen.
12:09 makes the baby self-aware too soon.
He never loses Chani. The movie Chani is a plot device created by Denis. Its not who she is in the books. Nor what she will be in the next movie.
When he made the spice to money comparison 🤯 😳 sooo deep
Is it just me or has the soundtrack become more epic in the sequel?
nuclear weapons are only outlawed to be used on other humans.... in this case Paul uses loop hole and only used them Shield wall to open the way for the worms
47:27 Jesus that chick does like to talk (and hear herself talk?) like she's a commentator on ESPN.
Technically Paul is A kwizatz haderach, but he is not THE kwizatz haderach. There ends up being a few after him in his family line.
Not agree with the title.
Those two films are differents.
For instance in the first one you have more different universes and more colors..
and when it was released/showned (2021) it was a shock to the eyes at the cinema.
IN the second one the story and the characters are more developed and allow incredible feats of actors: Timothy Chalamey, Zendaya, Rebecca Fergusson, Javier Bardem, etc..😃😀
better than empire strikes back as well
Have you watched inside out 2
There's a big subplot that was cut from the film, involving Gurney and Jessica. He suspected she was the traitor and planned to kill her as revenge. The timeline of the story is also vastly accelerated. Paul and Chani had a son, who was killed in the attack on the Sietch's. And Aliya is a girl of 5 at the battle of Arrakeen, It is she who kills the Baron, not Paul. They also cut the fact that, as the one who killed Jamis; Paul "inherited" his widow and kids. It is hinted in the film, but in the book the Baron is openly gay, and he has an incestuous relationship with Feyd.
Aliya was 4. Baron H did not have an incestuous relationship with Feyd in the book, that is a headcanon.
@@jackg.1683 I would say it is heavily implied that the Baron is being inappropriate with Feyd just like he is with his slave boys. There is even another subplot in which Feyd has poison quills put in one of the boys in a spot he knows the Baron would touch. This makes me believe, Feyd knows this information from personal experience.
Paul is the Main Chararcter - not the Hero! #brilliant
Very good reaction. BTW, you should also react to the Dune miniseries, which you can find it easily and freely on UA-cam, since it's the most faithful adaptation of the book. And if you want to know more about what happened to the characters after that first story, you can also react to "Children of Dune (2003)" miniseries, which is also free on UA-cam.
"He's NOT the messiah! He's a VERY NAUGHTY BOY!"
She is very perspective man.
You can't blame his followers for believing. It is a manipulated prophecy and religion, but it is based in the real prophecy of the
Kwisatz Haderach. He is actually the chosen one with power that nobody else had and the Bene Gesserit use that to pave a way for him. Hard to not follow someone who can see all possible futures and the past
LOL 22:38 "poor little scared white Jesus"
Paul is more of an Anti-Christ figure to be honest.
hitting on the part regarding the use of atomic weapons: yeah, since the formation of the Empire of a million worlds and the Landsraad, the use of atomic weapons was meant to be only used against an alien race if it proved to be harmful, never to be used against humans because of the previous war against thinking machines (A.I.). Earth had been reduced to a burned up cinder because of atomics during that war.
so Paul, using his family's atomic weapons was a major taboo, even to threaten using them against humanity was considered a crime against humanity.
In the books the Holy War is called Jihad....might have thrown some Americans
Not really a lot of Americans like myself have read the Dune books. Also we have heard that world used against our country for the last 40+ years. 😉
Referring to royalty as "nepotism" is pretty cringe, like applying 21st century HR talk to a monarchist fantasy world.
Somehow I keep getting first
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Very fantastic movie.
Great 0:08
Wonder if they'll show the galaxy-wide Jihad in the sequel.
That would be interesting as the books jump forward in time a decade after these events.
Stilgar is my guy.
I personally dislike how in the movie, it seems somewhat one-dimensionally clear that Paul is not "really" the Chosen One. The Stilgar faction is portrayed as kind of goofy, while Chani and her ilk totally don't believe in any of the things their highly reclusive and traditionalist people have been brought up with for thousands of years, because... reasons.
In the books, the whole theme is that Paul, well... kind of IS the One. But that, at the same time, there are different ideas about what exactly he is, what it means, etc. - the Fremen view him as their Messiah, but the Kwisatz Haderach is actually something much grander in scale than the savior of one singular people / religious group (which also doesn't totally come across in the movies, in my opinion). While the beliefs the Fremen hold have been put in place to be utilised by Bene Gesserit, Paul is also viewed as a kind of ultimate human by the Bene Gesserit themselves. Even if they are much more pragmatic about it... his powers are pretty real. In my opinion, that's what made the books so fascinating, not that Paul fakes his way through by pretending to be the Messiah in a particularly proactive fashion... but that he really IS the Messiah (kind of), yet also knows in which ways his former friends have been culturally indoctrinated to deify him, and that he can not escape a terrible future.
LISAN AL-GAIB!!!!!
61 billion dead...in his name
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Loved your reaction as always. You should watch society of the snow. It's a great movie and I would love to hear what you have to say about that one. If you do watch it I recommend the original language with subtitles, the acting was amazing.
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This IP sure is beating the brakes off Disney Star Wars. Its what happens when you combine a director with a true vision, a plan to put it in motion, no president of company hamstringing their every decision, great writing, great actors, and mind blowing visuals. All the other studios, IPs, etc. should pay attention.