Wagner's MASTERPIECE: Exceptional Combination Guns
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Here is an exceptional custom combination gun from Trier, Germany. This combination gun is in 8x57r and 16ga. You may know of the Savage Model 24 or Savage Model 42 and other combination guns, but this Wagner Combination gun is in a different league and remains a mystery. Whatever its history, Wagner's combination gun is no doubt extraordinary. Wagner definitely knew what he was doing. Let me know in the comments if you know more about Wagner.
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Many years ago I was in a gun shop that sold all kinds of firearms. There was a Browning combination OU set. One set of barrels was 20 gauge and the other was 30-06. It was well engraved and a work of art. I had a mortgage and three kids, so the $6,000 price tag was out of my range. At that time a 100.00 bill looked as big as a blanket. I love this channel because it is about mostly sporting arms and the art and craft of great firearms. Thx.
With all the videos I am being bombarded with from the SHOT Show...almost all covering tactical rifles, handguns, silencers, "gear", etc., THANK YOU for a video on a truly fine piece of firearms art. 👍
The upper parts of these claw mounts can be found on E-gun in Europe for a reasonable price. Since they are not restricted parts you can get them easily. I grew up close to Trier. Mr. M. Wagner was a local gunsmith in the 1880th. I immigrated to BC Canada and have no idea how long he or his apprentices operated after that time, but I shall ask some old gunsmith friends and hunters of the area about him for you. What is totally unusual is the one sided Kersten (not a Greener lock, Greener locks were used on side by sides in the center, where the rib sits. Kersten is the one used on all better bock, over-under combinations). Most of these combination guns have the French hair trigger on the front trigger. Be careful not to adjust that little screw too much counter-clock. Screwing it clockwise increases the hair trigger pull and vice versa. Also rimmed shells for these guns should generally be loaded 10% lower than the rimless versions for bolt actions, even the .318 IR. Full loads are very hard on these box locks.
I was thinking the lighter load also, as with the drilling.
16 bore and 8mm? Perfect! Incidentally 16 bore is totally underrated. Anything a 12 bore can do,a 16 does,for being lighter, quicker and easy on the shoulder.
Bravo!
Just gorgeous. You mentioned that it would cost $10k now, but it must have been a terribly expensive gun back then too. I mean artisans were more common, but still, you wouldn’t have seen a peasant farmer with something like that. It must have cost a bundle for back then dollars, no?
Not only that but you couldnt exactly research or order them as easily either
What a rare gun and in such rare chamberings. The sweet sixteen is timeless.the 8x57 is really underrated and underloaded here in USA. The longest shot I ever took on a elk was with a 200 grain speer handload 2500+fps Yugoslavian Mauser. 285 paces open sights.she never knew what hit her.im a 3006 man but the 8mm Mauser is a great cartridge. I bought that Yugoslavian Mauser for 150 dollars and I'd go anywhere with her and not be undergunned.keep up the great work
Attention! It is a break down gun , so it surely needs 8x 57R ( R: Rand- rim) and the noted diameter problem between 8x 57 l and 8x57 lS.
What a beautiful piece! This is quickly becoming my favorite gun channel!
A Very pretty gun. I have been fond of combination guns since I was a young lad.
Beautiful gun! Thank you for bringing us all of these beautiful guns! I love the 8x57 cartridge, it is a shame it is not supported by American gun and ammo manufacturers...so many of them around.
Perfect once again.
Best regards from Wales uk
Mike, you always speak with a knowledge and enthusiasm and is very inspiring.
Thank you again.
(Those conditions look like what I call awesome)
That is one of the nicest guns you have shown Mike. Thank you.
Really beautiful 🫶🏽! And I appreciate very much that you took it out in the wet snow and actually shot it! I’ve been very close to purchasing and/or bidding on a Savage 24 of one configuration or another and having run into a few with nice bluing and nearly zero pitting , guns well taken care of , seeing THIS work of art makes them seem fairly rudimentary. But still , that wonderful sound and feel when the two parts come together ..! Another good video 👍🏽👏🏽💚
What a beautiful gun, this is why I love your channel one episode will have an inexpensive working man’s gun, and the next a beautifully built collector piece. And you love them all equally. Great stuff thank you 😊
It's a measure of much Mike loves shooting that he's willing to take such a beautiful combination gun out in a snowfall.
Great to see a shout to Woodleigh Mike. I used to have my triggers on my rifles done by Geoff back in the early "80s on his farm when he was starting out. What a talented individual.
I hunt with combination rifles,my father taught me to love the guns.MyDad a ww2,Korea, Nam,would say (your not going into combat so one shot was ,the Norm.
Wow, Mike!🫨 What an absolutely stunning firearm, I would love to see it up close. This is yet another example of the USOG standard of rifle reviews-which doesn’t do justice for the quality of the videos you post. Thanks for sharing this.
Beautiful gun !
Such a beautiful firearm. Thank you for sharing!
I believe that what you have will shoot. I enjoy your studio work a lot more. You show/teach such good information. Thank you.
Magnificent gun. I really love combinations but have only picked up a Savage 24C. Thanks for posting
Man... that is a WORK of ART!!!!!
Simply beautiful and elegant. Well crafted.
Thank you,
Chris
Another beauty! Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts, and Mike’s videos.
@@frufru0071 Mike has some fantastic content.
Lovely old BBF, looks like it has very long barrels!? The Art Nouveau engraving and architecture is sublime!
I always learn something from your videos. That is a beautiful work of art.
Dentler have some types of claw based mounts also that i think you can fix in the claw feets
McHughcb ,Australian channel have a video about machining a piece of picatinny rail into the claw feets to use with Aimpoint on a drilling.
I love the scope mount too. The cross bolt is similar to A & A 's Augusta . Single sided .
A &A 's is a sidelong.
The shotgun into the snow shows a good pattern for Grouse swatting.
Nice Gun, very nice gun and yes google is lite on info for your combo.
Thank you!
That’s magnificent! Wow! Really appreciate your sharing
I have a box of that remington core loc 8x57. Remington downloaded the round to basically .32special loading. Very fun stuff
What a lovely piece. Great video as always.
I live the idea of combination guns. I want 9000 of them
WOW. Thanks for posting this. Get warm.
Thank U,,,great stories ,,,very Class,,,,show..
Beautiful. Freezing my behind off watching this.
Beautiful firearm, never could afford one though...
Many years ago-the early sixties-I would get down to Pittsburgh and
always stopped into Flaigs Lodge in Millville which is a suburb of
P'burgh.
They had a lot of Ferlach guns but that is so long ago I can't remember
all of them but remember the drillings most.
I didn't have the money to purchase any of them so just walked around
with my tongue scraping the floor.
Later on after I got out of the USMC and had a few bucks I had them build
me a 7mm RM on an FN action and stocked with a beautiful Himalayan
stock. Sold the gun when I needed some $ like the idiot I am.
They're long gone now but I was lucky enough to experience the place.
That's a great slice of life. I've done the same; time and place and details diifer...but the same boat. Life is good. All the best to you.
Wow it is a Beautiful piece
Gorgeous drilling gun.
Great film, Mike! I was nodding in agreement with your juxtaposition of the workmanship of yesteryear and that of today. More than my imagination can portray, just looking at this work of art gives me a sense of vertigo between those two eras. Thank You!
What ua piece of art . Amazes me the vuns u have . Mans true love they protect and provide .
Love combo guns.
What kind of wood was the stock of that Wagner made from? It almost looked like Purpleheart up in the mountains but was much darker in the studio?? A beautiful piece of work.
Thats an exquisite yet useful hunting tool. Ive got an Brno 7x57R x 16ga O/U similar to this but my Brno is heavy and not refined like your Wagner. Bring that thing down to the states and ill put you on some birds.
The set trigger is quite usual on traditional combination guns, I would have been surprised if there isn't one. A nice piece which I have never seen. Your price estimations for a new made were very humble, you can at least double that. I think the time is still good for collectors, to get such pieces "cheap". It's handmade perfection and art, people are recognizing this more and more in times of mass production.
By the way,
shooting (factory) rimless ammo instead of rimmed should be avoided, amlost all rimless calibers use around 20% higher gas pressures than their rimmed counterparts. That was made especially for break actions, the lever forces are a little unfurtunate for high pressure rounds in this kind of actions. Especially on the top barrels, that's why there are allways the weakest calibers chambered.
thank you again for a great video! May I ask what would you use to protect the wood of a new Tikka T3x hunter? 6.5x55 of course!
In german weapons magazines , when describing histoiical weapons made by german gunsmiths/ gunmakers, often a book ( three parts ?) called , Stöckel' is noted. It seems, this book is a list of all known german gunmakers/gunsmiths. You may can also ask german collectors society , Kuratorium zur Förderung historischer Waffensammlungen'. Or german arms magazines , Deutsches Waffenjournal ' or ,Visier'.
Too nice of gun to be out in the snow!!
Nice gun.
is a combination cape gun a double barreled express rifle or a double barreled shotgun? I can't tell
I don't like many guns like that my dad has offered a few to me and I've turned him down but I like that I wouldn't turn that one down nice gun..
Sorry to add a second comment, but what about a horn butt plate? I seen several on older shotguns and they look really good.
American loads for 8x57IS are a little bit weaker (if it says on the box 8mm Mauser that means this ammo is weaker, if it says 8x57IS, that is probably European ammo), because a lot of people have even today those older 318. barrels and if they find a brend new ammo now in 8mm Mauser that ammo can't be dangerous, it has a weaker pressure. But I wouldn't try new S&B 8x57IS in this gun or something from RWS, they make even today 8x57I for the people with older guns, so better is to not mix them like that. Nice video 👍
❤absolutely marvelous ❤
Good video. Nice firearm. I have always wanted a Drilling, but much money is required for those. Almost all of them are made in Europe. (You need some gloves. If you can afford that Combination gun, you can afford a pair of gloves. Frozen fingers - not fun.) Several years ago, Tikka brand (Finland) made a combination gun with many barrel/caliber/gauge options. I have never seen one here in the States.
Hello friend, what are you doing in that weather? You should be in bed drinking wine boiled with raisins. It's what we do in Argentina when it snows.
You have a better way in Argentina. Some friends travel to you for the doves. I like the sounds of the wine. All the best.
@@UnitedStatesOfGuns
They do sound better than the name of Don Quixote's horse: Rosinante.
I think he was a music composer too
One question. The cut on your finger, did that come from the front trigger when shooting the shotgun barrel?
Hmmm...I can't remember - maybe something unrelated to the gun.
It wasn't there at the beginning of the video and it was after firing the rifle barrel. I shot a few double trigger guns where firing the back trigger, the front trigger would bite you.
You shouldn’t have a beautiful gun like that out on such a dirty day. Worth a lot more than my savage 24v 30-30 over 20 ga is let me tell you. lol!
Made in Germany.... Don' t forget😊
First and pumped for this one.