Ive been thinking what to buy as my first throttle, F16 TQS mission pack, your cm3, Orion 2 or stecs… but this seems to be the best one. Its just so appealing for some reason I cant quite put my hand on it
Will you consider releasing a budget Vmax Prime (or rather intermediate Vmax), with the plastic throttle grips of the Cadet version, but with the button box of the Prime version? I personally do not care for having metal grips, but I do like the buttonbox of the Vmax Prime. However I find that model rather expensive, when compared to the competition. I really like the Vmax Prime’s design, but would actually prefer the plastic grips and grip pads of the budget-minded model.
Funny. I want the exact opposite. I need a fully functional and configurable throttle, but the vmax cadette is not that. It lacks the swappable detent frames, which probably need the finger lift to work properly. I would also gladly take the metal grip, but I have no use at all for the additional buttons on the box.
@VIRPIL Controls Please fix the vmax cadatte throttle so it can at least somewhat simulate an airbus throttle. It need not be a perfect replica, but at least close enough to get the job done. The real throttle has these regions: End TOGA Detent FLX/MCT Detent Climb Axis Detent Idle Detent Reverse Thrust Idle Axis End Reverse Thrust 100% I can't do that with a vmax cadatte. I'm not sure I could even do that with the vmax prime, which I have no interest in as I don't need any of the extra buttons. The vmax cadette has one job and one job only. Be a throttle. Don't cripple it by omitting the detent frames. Also throw in a detent frame that allows me to replicate an airbus throttle. Then you'll have yourself a sale.
+virpilcontrols *Thanks for a preview of the VPC-203 Engine and Armament Panel.* Ideal: Warthog idle, Aerobatic MIL. Six buttons are ideal for a limited stores management system.
I'm sorry, but whoever thought that front-lift detent was a goog idea should go back to the ergonomics school. Even in your promo it's clearly shown that you have to un-ergonomically move your thumb to operate it. Not to mention that you have to move the thumb away from the actual controls.
The VKB STECS has been using front lift detents for some time, now, with plenty of users being perfectly happy. I do find VKB often bring out most of these 'innovations' first... for ages they were considered the budget option of the Big Three, but what's interesting is that now they're stepping up their game with MGC and STECS, Virpil and WinWing are bringing out their own versions of budget kit with the Cadet and Ursa Minor series, respectively...
Common feedback we received over the years is that many pilots had to move their hand "over" the throttle on the CM3 and stretch to reach the finger lifts - even more so when the throttle was past the 50% poin, so we decided to do something about it! After extensive testing with many test pilots, we found these front-lifts not only allowed us to make the general grip of the VMAX Throttle significantly more ergonomic, but operating the detent lifts with the palm (or thumb in select situations) was prefered in back-to-back testing!
@@VIRPILControls I concur, and applaud the move. Despite having large hands, I found the CM3 rather unwieldy. Using it on a desktop made it even harder to reach the lifts, as you had to crank the hand right over and risked accidentally hitting the hats.
Front lifts work best with grips which rotate little between the maximum forward and back movement, such as on real aircraft. The only throttle which can replicate that well is the discontinued Winwing Super Taurus, having (near) life size throttle lever arms. For a desktop throttle form factor, the comparatively short lever arms result in a much more extreme angular change when moving through the full throttle range. Gripping forward placed finger lifts can be difficult when wanting to go into afterburner, or to pull back to mil power. Front and rear detent lifts have their own benefits and drawbacks, however. With one suiting a certain throttle grip layout more than the other. The VMax is a blend of the F-16 grip (and input layout) and the eastern block Su-27 and MiG-29, as well having a few hints of F-15. The F-16 throttle inspired grip shape could well make finger lifts more difficult to implement than the thumb/palm lifts.
@@tver And so you yourself made your own point moot. 1. The proper solution is to make the finger-lifts correct size so they're not difficult to reach (like the mentioned Taurus or any AB equipped fighter) instead of trying to reinvent the wheel. 2. You don't need to reach anything when throttling back from AB to MIL power in a real plane. If you do with any game throttle the designer did a poor job again.
It worked for VKB... just waiting for WinWing to copy it, now. In addition, I believe Virpil based the front-lifts on a real life Russian jet (I forget which one), so there is a precedent for it.
@@Sarrienne the Su-27 family has a throttle like this, makes sense because they just announced a Flanker grip so they go together to make the ultimate Sukhoi mil-sim experience
@@NATO_Believer So it is the Flanker.. I thought it was, but couldn't remember. Thumb-lifts also have the benefit of working better on desktop units, for those who can't/don't want a Monstertech suite of mounts.
@@Sarrienne yeah, I put my HOTAS on top of my desktop, so I use the Virpil Wrbrd base wich is small compared to the other one you have to mount on the floor with screws, and this throttle will be awesome for desktop use. Have a nice day my friend :)
Ive been thinking what to buy as my first throttle, F16 TQS mission pack, your cm3, Orion 2 or stecs… but this seems to be the best one. Its just so appealing for some reason I cant quite put my hand on it
Would glad pay for a retaining mod for my CM3 finger lifts like you have on this!
Will you consider releasing a budget Vmax Prime (or rather intermediate Vmax), with the plastic throttle grips of the Cadet version, but with the button box of the Prime version?
I personally do not care for having metal grips, but I do like the buttonbox of the Vmax Prime. However I find that model rather expensive, when compared to the competition.
I really like the Vmax Prime’s design, but would actually prefer the plastic grips and grip pads of the budget-minded model.
Funny. I want the exact opposite.
I need a fully functional and configurable throttle, but the vmax cadette is not that. It lacks the swappable detent frames, which probably need the finger lift to work properly. I would also gladly take the metal grip, but I have no use at all for the additional buttons on the box.
@VIRPIL Controls
Please fix the vmax cadatte throttle so it can at least somewhat simulate an airbus throttle. It need not be a perfect replica, but at least close enough to get the job done. The real throttle has these regions:
End TOGA
Detent FLX/MCT
Detent Climb
Axis
Detent Idle
Detent Reverse Thrust Idle
Axis
End Reverse Thrust 100%
I can't do that with a vmax cadatte. I'm not sure I could even do that with the vmax prime, which I have no interest in as I don't need any of the extra buttons.
The vmax cadette has one job and one job only. Be a throttle. Don't cripple it by omitting the detent frames. Also throw in a detent frame that allows me to replicate an airbus throttle. Then you'll have yourself a sale.
+virpilcontrols *Thanks for a preview of the VPC-203 Engine and Armament Panel.* Ideal: Warthog idle, Aerobatic MIL. Six buttons are ideal for a limited stores management system.
When my TM Warthog TQ craps out I'll be lookin' at you, kid.
I'm sorry, but whoever thought that front-lift detent was a goog idea should go back to the ergonomics school. Even in your promo it's clearly shown that you have to un-ergonomically move your thumb to operate it. Not to mention that you have to move the thumb away from the actual controls.
The VKB STECS has been using front lift detents for some time, now, with plenty of users being perfectly happy.
I do find VKB often bring out most of these 'innovations' first... for ages they were considered the budget option of the Big Three, but what's interesting is that now they're stepping up their game with MGC and STECS, Virpil and WinWing are bringing out their own versions of budget kit with the Cadet and Ursa Minor series, respectively...
Common feedback we received over the years is that many pilots had to move their hand "over" the throttle on the CM3 and stretch to reach the finger lifts - even more so when the throttle was past the 50% poin, so we decided to do something about it!
After extensive testing with many test pilots, we found these front-lifts not only allowed us to make the general grip of the VMAX Throttle significantly more ergonomic, but operating the detent lifts with the palm (or thumb in select situations) was prefered in back-to-back testing!
@@VIRPILControls I concur, and applaud the move. Despite having large hands, I found the CM3 rather unwieldy. Using it on a desktop made it even harder to reach the lifts, as you had to crank the hand right over and risked accidentally hitting the hats.
Front lifts work best with grips which rotate little between the maximum forward and back movement, such as on real aircraft.
The only throttle which can replicate that well is the discontinued Winwing Super Taurus, having (near) life size throttle lever arms.
For a desktop throttle form factor, the comparatively short lever arms result in a much more extreme angular change when moving through the full throttle range.
Gripping forward placed finger lifts can be difficult when wanting to go into afterburner, or to pull back to mil power.
Front and rear detent lifts have their own benefits and drawbacks, however.
With one suiting a certain throttle grip layout more than the other.
The VMax is a blend of the F-16 grip (and input layout) and the eastern block Su-27 and MiG-29, as well having a few hints of F-15.
The F-16 throttle inspired grip shape could well make finger lifts more difficult to implement than the thumb/palm lifts.
@@tver And so you yourself made your own point moot.
1. The proper solution is to make the finger-lifts correct size so they're not difficult to reach (like the mentioned Taurus or any AB equipped fighter) instead of trying to reinvent the wheel.
2. You don't need to reach anything when throttling back from AB to MIL power in a real plane. If you do with any game throttle the designer did a poor job again.
Agree. Surprisingly coming from Virpil but I predict that this one will be a major failure
It worked for VKB... just waiting for WinWing to copy it, now.
In addition, I believe Virpil based the front-lifts on a real life Russian jet (I forget which one), so there is a precedent for it.
@@Sarrienne the Su-27 family has a throttle like this, makes sense because they just announced a Flanker grip so they go together to make the ultimate Sukhoi mil-sim experience
@@NATO_Believer So it is the Flanker.. I thought it was, but couldn't remember.
Thumb-lifts also have the benefit of working better on desktop units, for those who can't/don't want a Monstertech suite of mounts.
@@Sarrienne yeah, I put my HOTAS on top of my desktop, so I use the Virpil Wrbrd base wich is small compared to the other one you have to mount on the floor with screws, and this throttle will be awesome for desktop use. Have a nice day my friend :)
@@NATO_Believer Fly safe out there!