@@EffortlessSwimming I don't know how I ended up here, but the philosophy of learning seems to apply to sport too. The better you get at a sport, and the more you understand it, the more you realise you need to improve to be at the ultimate peak. I know every time I learn something in engineering it seems to open another ten doors that I need to study on, by virtue, the more I know the more I realise I don't know. I guess it's better to be at that point in sport/education than to be someone who has extremely high confidence but little ability to go with it. Or as the quote goes from Top Gun "your ego is writing cheques your body can't cash" Cheers for the video, very informative. Hopefully your channel grows as you're a good instructor.
I remember when he said we try to muscle through... I come from a running background and when u need to go faster u muscle through... I also learnt that muscling through a stroke is actually making u slow.... u gotta rhythm and glide through... not push the strokes but go further with each stroke
Lionel is great. He is the only one that will get thumbs up before people even start watching the video since he has such a great attitude towards the sport and sharing his training with us watchers. Funny enough quit often people (myself included) have already suggested that he should contact you to improve his technique. I do assume he will now!
@@EffortlessSwimming Of course, he would not work with that coach if he were not good. But what I have seen is that you could complement each other where you could add knowledge by way of detailed analysis of the stroke where I have the idea other coach is making him as strong as a bear. The combi would work. But sure its true what you say. 👍
For a novice like me, this is so insightful and perceptive, even though you’re analyzing a top athlete. I’m learning and applying everything I pick up from your videos. They’re the best. Thank you.
Have done those long doggy paddle drills at masters and never really understood why we do them. That was a big light bulb moment for me when you explained this in the video. Big fan of yourself and Lionel too. Keep up the great analysis.
This is both a great breakdown of Lionels stroke AND a great instructional for coaches. So much of what you say makes 100% sense and only today I was looking for a better way ro explain something similar. Thanks
To have a swim coach is a gift. I'm struggling alone to have some progress on my technique watching your videos and so on, but that shout asking me to put my head a little up or to fix whatever could be THAT difference. Hope he may reconsider his position about having a swim coach after your analysis. Thank you for the videos!
Awesome !!!!! I am an experienced swimmer in triathlon and I just used the tip of not bending your wrist during the catch ....... I swam 4 secs faster per 100 m .... simply great thank you so much guys
Excellent content, agreed with statement below please keep critiquing more tri pros... Makes us likely AGers watching know what we are looking at so much better and hopefully can improve ourselves.
I have to agree with this. Never wanted to "waste" time doing sculling drills etc. After doing the freestyle online clinic have noticed how much more i reach forward and then feel the water in the catch. Am going faster, not quite at effortless yet😅
Umm not sure it’s every effortless as you will just end up going faster and pushing harder. But you will definitely feel more fit and strong which helps you feel on top of it rather than like you’re dying from it.
Thank you so much I'm on my way to do my swimming workout right now and when you said the pressure out the back is for the reach in the front just nailed it for me I'm going to work on it right now
Interesting stuff, especially as tuned into the Super League Arena games from London at the weekend and looks like Beth Potter and Alex Yee, Olympic and European championships level runners respectively, had similarly worked hard on making less hard work of the swim.
Wow! Amazing analysis! So cool to see how much of his power is not used to it’s fullest due to subtle details. I was able to feel his power while watching the video! This swimmer has an extremely strong body and use a very aggressive style, a natural sprinter a born killer , 🤩🤩 he was injuring the water when swimming. Very encouraging to see that you do not need to look like a fish to swim fast. 🤪🤪🤪🤪! He has the potential to keep increasing his speed by a lot. Thank you for sharing.
if he was a "natural sprinter", he would have made it at the world cycling level....he's far from that...😂he's rather a "natural laborer" that thought it would be more pleasant to enrich oneself pedaling and selling stuff on social medias than working at the factory
Here's a question for you, since this guy touches on some observations I've made as a former HS athlete who picked up masters swimming at 30 and has plateaued 3 years in. . . . I have focused on lap swimming and masters meets from the beginning, and have gotten my form to a serviceable state. I'm mostly trying to be a better sprinter as a freestyle swimmer, and my PB is 32" in SCY....Ultimately my goal is to break 30, and eventually hit 25 seconds. I've never had a condescending coach, but my masters coach runs a big program and can be indifferent at best. I've done a lot of stroke work. I went to an intensive SkillsNT clinic. I religiously watch videos. One subject that I find a lot of shrugging/disagreement is the subject of "Should I just jump in and keep brute forcing my way through 2k workouts with the masters team, when my form is pretty much sub-optimal at the muscular endurance level by the time I hit 500?" The bias I see seems to come from coaches/swimmers who've been at it since grade school, when their bodies were elastic and chock full of HGH. My coach claims that good swimmers are made at that level by just getting in the water and being yelled at enough by their coach while working their asses off. There's a part of me that feels like there has to be a balance between consistently building habits with good technique focus, and supplemental dryland to make sure I have the flexibility and strength to execute and *maintain* good form. I've yet to see someone talk about balancing overdoing it and building bad habits vs taking it too easy and never building up endurance. As someone who is really serious about making a plan for exactly this, I'd be really curious to hear your thoughts on the subject
Triathletes tend to thrash about because everything else is really about muscling through it. Pedal faster, move legs faster, move arms faster. Once they figure out its really about pushing water back at least resistance, they be good.
Every time I see Lionel I think you need Effortless Swimming. I’ve benefited and I’m below avg. he would close the gap on packs at Kona and not be fighting to recover so much
Great analysis - in all respects to Lionel! Too much force, no optimal positioning and timing are his main problems. But, so what! We all want to see Lionel further in the front of his races, after the swim!
Hi Brenton, your videos are awasome, congrats! I wonder if you could analyze Adamo Walker technique... his low cadence, big hip rotation are very interesting, aren’t they? Cheers!
56 mistakes, if you try eliminate each of them, ... lot time to spend each week, 5 years more-less. Or new real time analytically developing from scratch, 6-8 weeks maybe. And done. 😁
"Sucking" or to "suck" at something is an expression in American-English which means to be very bad at some activity. Lionel has repeatedly claimed he was a very bad swimmer. Of course, that is an exaggeration. He wishes to be much better, so he is being overly critical of himself, as many athletes tend to be. He routinely finishes the swim in the top 10 percent of the professional field, so while he is not a great swimmer, he is far from being a bad swimmer.
@@jmw2224 Just busting balls! Raced Lionel since 2013 and love the guy. You fanboys that just came on board when the channel blew up would have loved watching the 2017 race live.
One year on from the video. He still sucks. As a former swimmer in my teens and now fat man in my thirties - it obviously is just too late. I am shocked that I am faster than him (wile overweight).
I don't get it. If you're not supposed to muscle your way through the water, just glide through, then what do you put effort into to go faster.... Like, what i'm saying is, more effort = faster, less effort = slower. Not muscling through = less effort, muscling through = more effort. Sorry if i'm confusing.
I think what they mean is catching and pushing with more force = muscling through. In reality doing so might mean you put yourself off balance or slip through the water. If you want to go faster increasing stroke rate, timing kick with catch and becoming more streamline.
Don't take it the wrong way when your sprinting you need to put in a lot of effort but a problem for a LOT of swimmers is that they are sacrificing a lot of technique to just get your arms around faster. You need to practice going slower and gripping the water in order to preserve your technique at race pace. water is about 800 times more dense than air that's why you see these guys going consistent low 20s in the 500y freestyle, they are maintaining perfect technique without forcing it because you will never be more powerful than the water. Zane grothe comes out a 22 in the first 50 of his 500 and the world record 50 sprint is only 5 seconds faster. Another mistake I see a lot of people make is comparing their form to peak male Olympian sprinting form. I think medium-advanced male swimmers should compare themselves to olympic female swimmers because they have similar strength to a decently strong male and their form is generally what non-college level athletes want to practice. The problem with comparing your form to peak male olympian form is the fact that they are so unbelievably strong that their form will not work for most people. These guys lift and swim way more than any highschooler and most college guys.
@@Empridon I see your a pretty new swimmer with a 1:32/100 which is good because you have a lot of things you can work on. One thing a lot of new swimmers do that is hurting them is trying to push down hard in the water as soon as your hand enters the water that raises the front of your body which drops your legs without providing much propulsion forward. Its hard to explain over text but this is a good video to explain the catch. ua-cam.com/video/gYYkXM_G2Xw/v-deo.html
Lionel had a series on his UA-cam channel titled stop sucking at Swimming. No disrespect at all. ua-cam.com/play/PL1S0Kno_x8VihNE0cQ_VQJkKcze43owXX.html&si=dcvj9bkATDvzGAlA
When you see him swim, you can imagine his "swimming coach"....😂 i've seen grannies being given six months of swimming lessons by a competent coach swimming better than him...🤣
The feeling you get when someone you subscribe to, does a video on someone you subscribe to.
Feel you
same here
Totally unexpected and now I need to see a collab
Yup!
you should do more vids critiquing pro triathlete's swimming this was great
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Yea compare to Jan, can't believe his stroke can be improved
... @sshol3 😎
Many don’t realize that his “suck” is still 2x as fast as they swim!
Exactly. He CAN swim!
you can be a great triathlete as long as you don't just have a great swim and suck at the bike and run😂
Professional should tell you that
@@EffortlessSwimming I don't know how I ended up here, but the philosophy of learning seems to apply to sport too. The better you get at a sport, and the more you understand it, the more you realise you need to improve to be at the ultimate peak. I know every time I learn something in engineering it seems to open another ten doors that I need to study on, by virtue, the more I know the more I realise I don't know.
I guess it's better to be at that point in sport/education than to be someone who has extremely high confidence but little ability to go with it. Or as the quote goes from Top Gun "your ego is writing cheques your body can't cash"
Cheers for the video, very informative. Hopefully your channel grows as you're a good instructor.
Sanders is awesome 😎. I hope this dude wins Kona soon
I remember when he said we try to muscle through... I come from a running background and when u need to go faster u muscle through... I also learnt that muscling through a stroke is actually making u slow.... u gotta rhythm and glide through... not push the strokes but go further with each stroke
Ex competitive 800m and 1500m track athlete, swimming now. This is exactly my experience as well.
I just swam at a pace 20 seconds faster compared to my last session through watching this video. You’re amazing man!
Lionel is great. He is the only one that will get thumbs up before people even start watching the video since he has such a great attitude towards the sport and sharing his training with us watchers. Funny enough quit often people (myself included) have already suggested that he should contact you to improve his technique. I do assume he will now!
His new coach is doing a great job, and the face to face coaching he’s getting on a regular basis makes a huge difference
@@EffortlessSwimming Of course, he would not work with that coach if he were not good. But what I have seen is that you could complement each other where you could add knowledge by way of detailed analysis of the stroke where I have the idea other coach is making him as strong as a bear. The combi would work. But sure its true what you say. 👍
For a novice like me, this is so insightful and perceptive, even though you’re analyzing a top athlete. I’m learning and applying everything I pick up from your videos. They’re the best. Thank you.
OMG FINALLY!!! I’ve been wanting this forever!!!
Great video. Best message I've heard and now use as a coach is "Use the water, don't fight the water"
Have done those long doggy paddle drills at masters and never really understood why we do them. That was a big light bulb moment for me when you explained this in the video. Big fan of yourself and Lionel too. Keep up the great analysis.
Awesome insight and reading of limited footage. Delighted that his on the right path - big fan of his and we want good people to do well!
Always love Lionel’s honesty
This is both a great breakdown of Lionels stroke AND a great instructional for coaches. So much of what you say makes 100% sense and only today I was looking for a better way ro explain something similar. Thanks
Great video idea. Hopefully you will get some more footage to work with in the future
To have a swim coach is a gift. I'm struggling alone to have some progress on my technique watching your videos and so on, but that shout asking me to put my head a little up or to fix whatever could be THAT difference. Hope he may reconsider his position about having a swim coach after your analysis. Thank you for the videos!
Awesome !!!!! I am an experienced swimmer in triathlon and I just used the tip of not bending your wrist during the catch ....... I swam 4 secs faster per 100 m .... simply great thank you so much guys
ALREADY WATCHED TWICE!!! Lov it! Great presentation! Two thumps up!
Excellent content, agreed with statement below please keep critiquing more tri pros... Makes us likely AGers watching know what we are looking at so much better and hopefully can improve ourselves.
You are the best person for Lionel. I loved your camp and wish you had another one in Florida
I love his race strats.
Survive the swim
Overbike
Limp to the finish
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yeah, he understood how to get untalented dummies to follow him on social medias....
LS is my idol, great vid
I have to agree with this. Never wanted to "waste" time doing sculling drills etc. After doing the freestyle online clinic have noticed how much more i reach forward and then feel the water in the catch. Am going faster, not quite at effortless yet😅
Umm not sure it’s every effortless as you will just end up going faster and pushing harder. But you will definitely feel more fit and strong which helps you feel on top of it rather than like you’re dying from it.
Great analysis and great way of presenting it. These are small things which makes big difference. 👍
Thank you so much I'm on my way to do my swimming workout right now and when you said the pressure out the back is for the reach in the front just nailed it for me I'm going to work on it right now
This is going to be a great video to watch. Super pumped about this
So much value in this video! Thank you so much for making this!!
I've been following Lionel. Glad to see this analysis. Awesome. Go Lionel !!! :)
I like YOUR approach to coaching!
Analysis is accurate-
If I ever come to Australia I am gonna book a meeting!
Interesting stuff, especially as tuned into the Super League Arena games from London at the weekend and looks like Beth Potter and Alex Yee, Olympic and European championships level runners respectively, had similarly worked hard on making less hard work of the swim.
Excellent as ever.
I follow Lionel and I hope he watches your analysis. Great job. Go Lionel 💯👍look out world!!
He will
Wow! Amazing analysis! So cool to see how much of his power is not used to it’s fullest due to subtle details. I was able to feel his power while watching the video! This swimmer has an extremely strong body and use a very aggressive style, a natural sprinter a born killer , 🤩🤩 he was injuring the water when swimming. Very encouraging to see that you do not need to look like a fish to swim fast. 🤪🤪🤪🤪! He has the potential to keep increasing his speed by a lot. Thank you for sharing.
if he was a "natural sprinter", he would have made it at the world cycling level....he's far from that...😂he's rather a "natural laborer" that thought it would be more pleasant to enrich oneself pedaling and selling stuff on social medias than working at the factory
When I was watching Lionel's swimming videos, I was always thinking about what you might have to say about it. Now I know :-).
Very nice insights! Thanks a lot!!!
Here's a question for you, since this guy touches on some observations I've made as a former HS athlete who picked up masters swimming at 30 and has plateaued 3 years in. . . .
I have focused on lap swimming and masters meets from the beginning, and have gotten my form to a serviceable state. I'm mostly trying to be a better sprinter as a freestyle swimmer, and my PB is 32" in SCY....Ultimately my goal is to break 30, and eventually hit 25 seconds. I've never had a condescending coach, but my masters coach runs a big program and can be indifferent at best. I've done a lot of stroke work. I went to an intensive SkillsNT clinic. I religiously watch videos. One subject that I find a lot of shrugging/disagreement is the subject of "Should I just jump in and keep brute forcing my way through 2k workouts with the masters team, when my form is pretty much sub-optimal at the muscular endurance level by the time I hit 500?"
The bias I see seems to come from coaches/swimmers who've been at it since grade school, when their bodies were elastic and chock full of HGH. My coach claims that good swimmers are made at that level by just getting in the water and being yelled at enough by their coach while working their asses off.
There's a part of me that feels like there has to be a balance between consistently building habits with good technique focus, and supplemental dryland to make sure I have the flexibility and strength to execute and *maintain* good form. I've yet to see someone talk about balancing overdoing it and building bad habits vs taking it too easy and never building up endurance.
As someone who is really serious about making a plan for exactly this, I'd be really curious to hear your thoughts on the subject
Triathletes tend to thrash about because everything else is really about muscling through it. Pedal faster, move legs faster, move arms faster. Once they figure out its really about pushing water back at least resistance, they be good.
Every time I see Lionel I think you need Effortless Swimming.
I’ve benefited and I’m below avg. he would close the gap on packs at Kona and not be fighting to recover so much
I needed to hear this. Thank you
I posted on LS channel along time ago that he should hire you!
Great video more of these if you can
Great video. Thanks!
Great video. Thank you. You should analyze the swimming of Josh Amberger and Lucy Charles-Barclay, this would be nice to watch. Cheers from France.
Great insight. ..again....thanks!!
Great feedback!
Great analyze, I really like to see you analyze the Lucy Charles Barcley of course everyone can improve but looks like she is near to perfect. 😉
Thank you!
Great analysis - in all respects to Lionel! Too much force, no optimal positioning and timing are his main problems. But, so what! We all want to see Lionel further in the front of his races, after the swim!
Hi Brenton, your videos are awasome, congrats! I wonder if you could analyze Adamo Walker technique... his low cadence, big hip rotation are very interesting, aren’t they? Cheers!
Love your vids:)
So fantastic.
Great triathlete and person. Followed him and your videos for some time. Nice to see you discussing his technique.
Super quotes！Good coach.
Do an analysis of Lance Armstrong's stroke. There is a short clip of him swimming ahead of Kona on UA-cam.
my mantra is "enter wide, pull narrow" (just one of many!)
great stuff
Fantastic
With a proper elbow bend, I thought the forearm/hand was supposed to be vertical and point to the bottom of the pool.
Really nice
I wish I could “suck” at swimming as much as Lionel!! I’d be much faster
Can you do a video for me?
of course, just sent you a DM on insta
@@EffortlessSwimming can't wait for this!
What is the drill called that Lionel was doing with the snorkel?
doggy paddle drill
Where are you based? Do you coach all abilities?
In Australia, we run clinics around the country. Check EffortlessSwimming.com
56 mistakes, if you try eliminate each of them, ... lot time to spend each week, 5 years more-less.
Or new real time analytically developing from scratch, 6-8 weeks maybe. And done.
😁
He is being coached by Gerry Rodriguez
Nope, Justin @ Aquabears in Tucson.
Do you think his arched back hinders his potential?
No, but the cameras he puts everywhere so he can be sure people know everything about his" super "life, probably yes...
Anyone else check the comments to see if Lionel commented?
I just saw a short clip of Lionel swimming backstroke... his shoulder mobility isn't great....
I would love helping lionel - he could it, if he really want master it, no big deal ... Already sent a message, no response ... what a pitty. 😏
You were recently suggesting to bend the wrist. And now, don’t bend it?
Never click so fast on a video!
I see Lionel, I click.
funny, I see Lionel, I throw up
@@iiii2903 Classic youtube comment💯
What do you mean by "sucking"? Translation in french is about leaking...
"Sucking" or to "suck" at something is an expression in American-English which means to be very bad at some activity.
Lionel has repeatedly claimed he was a very bad swimmer. Of course, that is an exaggeration. He wishes to be much better, so he is being overly critical of himself, as many athletes tend to be. He routinely finishes the swim in the top 10 percent of the professional field, so while he is not a great swimmer, he is far from being a bad swimmer.
@@alexjohnson6462 Thank you so much.
Never was a guy so hyped that finished 29th and 31st in the past two Kona's ;)
Never was a guy so hyped to troll LS. Get a life Bretzky
You must have missed challenge Miami.
@@jmw2224 Just busting balls! Raced Lionel since 2013 and love the guy. You fanboys that just came on board when the channel blew up would have loved watching the 2017 race live.
@@brettbale9535 your jealousy is obvious and no you never raced Lionel. You’re not even close to being Pro.
@@jmw2224 well, you know, most people are not even close to being plenty of things....
One year on from the video. He still sucks. As a former swimmer in my teens and now fat man in my thirties - it obviously is just too late. I am shocked that I am faster than him (wile overweight).
Why doesn't LS hook up with you?? If he had, maybe he would've cleaned up his stroke by now.
I don't get it. If you're not supposed to muscle your way through the water, just glide through, then what do you put effort into to go faster.... Like, what i'm saying is, more effort = faster, less effort = slower. Not muscling through = less effort, muscling through = more effort. Sorry if i'm confusing.
I think what they mean is catching and pushing with more force = muscling through. In reality doing so might mean you put yourself off balance or slip through the water.
If you want to go faster increasing stroke rate, timing kick with catch and becoming more streamline.
@@MoreBoingPlox ok I see what you mean. But how can you increase stroke rate without pushing the water faster?
@@MoreBoingPlox I'm not that fast of a swimmer yet, best is 1:32/100 when going all out, so I actually want to learn
Don't take it the wrong way when your sprinting you need to put in a lot of effort but a problem for a LOT of swimmers is that they are sacrificing a lot of technique to just get your arms around faster. You need to practice going slower and gripping the water in order to preserve your technique at race pace. water is about 800 times more dense than air that's why you see these guys going consistent low 20s in the 500y freestyle, they are maintaining perfect technique without forcing it because you will never be more powerful than the water. Zane grothe comes out a 22 in the first 50 of his 500 and the world record 50 sprint is only 5 seconds faster. Another mistake I see a lot of people make is comparing their form to peak male Olympian sprinting form. I think medium-advanced male swimmers should compare themselves to olympic female swimmers because they have similar strength to a decently strong male and their form is generally what non-college level athletes want to practice. The problem with comparing your form to peak male olympian form is the fact that they are so unbelievably strong that their form will not work for most people. These guys lift and swim way more than any highschooler and most college guys.
@@Empridon I see your a pretty new swimmer with a 1:32/100 which is good because you have a lot of things you can work on. One thing a lot of new swimmers do that is hurting them is trying to push down hard in the water as soon as your hand enters the water that raises the front of your body which drops your legs without providing much propulsion forward. Its hard to explain over text but this is a good video to explain the catch. ua-cam.com/video/gYYkXM_G2Xw/v-deo.html
He swims not that well...
What a terrible title for a video. How disrespectful.
Lionel had a series on his UA-cam channel titled stop sucking at Swimming. No disrespect at all.
ua-cam.com/play/PL1S0Kno_x8VihNE0cQ_VQJkKcze43owXX.html&si=dcvj9bkATDvzGAlA
When you see him swim, you can imagine his "swimming coach"....😂 i've seen grannies being given six months of swimming lessons by a competent coach swimming better than him...🤣
Great video. Thank you