Hi everyone and thank you for your feedback on on our explainer video for the WHS 2024 changes. As a software provider licenced to the England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland Golf Unions we must abide by the World Handicap System updates. This year, the unions felt that the introduction of course rating minus par and machine precision rounding, would provide more accurate handicaps and level the playing field across golfers of all abilities and at different golf courses. Therefore we are continuing to work alongside the national governing bodies to send, receive and display competition results and handicap indexes on HowDidiDo. To conclude, we as a software provider, are not in control of your handicap calculations, we simply record and send your competition scores to the World Handicap System of your governing body where they are processed.
WHS is a pile of shite. Dumbing down the game. What was wrong with folk having to work to achieve at least a 28 handicap? Now, someone who never works on their game and is satisfied just to hack it around is given as many shots as they want in order to 'compete' with someone who tries and works hard to achieve a decent handicap. Cant be arsed? We'll just give you as many shots as you need to beat lower handicap players. 3 shots on a hole FFS.😮 What was up with the old system? Basically you've fucked the game up and are now trying to patch the holes.
Well said - including the wholly appropriate swearing. On a few occasions I have asked the question of a group of very experienced club golfers sat round having a drink after a competition round: "Now, who can clearly explain the WHS system"? The usual response is complete and utter silence .... followed a few seconds later by many expletives. This surely cannot be good for golf. Its actually very similar to what has happened with the new(ish) universal ratings system for tennis players, which is not surprising as it is based on the same misguided premise.
Thanks to HDIDO for attempting to explain this ridiculous system. I would close England Golf tomorrow for allowing this in. It’s completely smashed many golfers interest in competitive golf. I would prefer to see HDIDIDO take over as they have a closer relationship with golf.
Been single figures for last 20+ years and now find this system makes it impossible to compete in competition and social golf against high hcp players. Going to see this year out having just paid green fees and will then hang up clubs and find something new to do!
Worst thing that happened in modern golf is the WHS punishment for low handicappers reward for high handicappers and cheats using casual rounds. Nothing should count for your handicap unless a full 18 hole competition round. Bring back Congu why must everything be so complicated
Totally agree. I play regularly with a higher handicapper. Under the new system he has lost 9% of his course handicap whereas I have lost 38% of mine. Guess where the pound goes every week!
Couldnt agree more .guy at my club has cap of 54 .normaly goes xround in an incredible 150.last week he played half decent for him. came in with 43 points and won monthly medal...totaly ridiculous
Like the vast majority of guys I golf with I feel this system is far more complicated than it needs to be. It seems to be set up for anyone who wants to play competitions around the globe when in fact most of us just want to play a couple of times a week at our local club. If we do play abroad it would just be a friendly game with friends. 99.9% of golfers are pulling their hair out trying to understand a system designed for a select few!
I feel like I'm in a minority of about 1 in saying I like the new system. Now that I've got my head around the maths I can see that it makes sense to adjust the playing handicap depending on the tees being used. There is a small problem in that the course ratings aren't always 'right' but since everyone's handicap is affected by the same relative amount, that makes little real difference. Well done to HowDidI Do for explaining it so well. Thank you.
19.00 this is insane. Just makes things more complicated than they were before & we're no wiser. Besides what's the use of having a calculation to come up with a handicap then reduce it by 5%?
How about the fact you put your cards in For your home course, get a WHI then need to check the chart to see how many shots you get on your home course which you played to get your index?
@@guyr7351I only play competitions at my home course, therefore my handicap has been based off playing off the competition tees. I've got my handicap down to 10, yet when I play in a competition at my home course, i play off 8. Why bother having a handicap if you just change it every time I play. Am I off 8 or 10? Who knows
Been play golf 40 years never really understood any handicap system I just play and put in my score ( my handicap is 16 switching off the video half way through…. Don’t understand it….peace to the world from Scotland
EVEN OUR PRO AT THE CLUB HAS GIVEN UP TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF IT, we have reverted back to the old system & called it a day on this lot, we wont bother playing at any other course anymore. None of us join in the club comps anymore, so we just play social golf between ourselves like we used to do & it's so simple.
Golf is a game mainly played against yourself and the course. Before WHS came in, if we weren't quite on our game we always knew roughly the score needed to be in the buffer zone, and maintain our handicap. That has been taken from us. I haven't spoken to anyone who likes or understands it.
Majority of members at my club struggle like hell with the new system because you have to enter the name of the card then the attester and then your card again it’s just ludicrous that you have to put the name in twice
this new system is briliant for new golfers they will win way more comps when i started i got a handicap of 26 as i improved i got cut 8 shots on general play as i improved quickly and a further cut later of 5 shots imagine how many comps i could have won ? i probably would have started with a 36 handicap.
In the example shown to illustrate the new rounding calculation, please clarify how can anyone have a course handicap of 9.8??? Surely your 'Course Handicap' is always a whole number.. Are you sure you didn't mean to say 'Handicap Index' of 9.8??
This is absolutely rubbish, you have no chance of winning any competitions at our club with all the high handicap players, you have a decent round and come in with 42 points thinking your in with a shout then find some high handicap has come in with 48
It really is pathetic!! Please go back to the old system!! The people who have developed this should be ashamed of themselves. Ruining amateur golf!!! No effort now required to succeed!!!
As a golfer of some 54 years and single figures for over 50 years, unfortunately this is not golf as we knew it!! I urge the home unions to grow a pair and throw this unless system out!! Let's get back to a simple uncomplicated system!! The growth in golf will soon go into reverse and competition participation of single figure handicaps will reduce!
How did they do, not very well judging by the overall majority of negative comments. Politicians couldnt have screwed this up any better . Well done.....
As I see it, the 95% process is an attempt to level the playing field for lower handicappers. When we compete we all lose 5% of h/cap. So a 3-hcap loses nothing, a 36 loses 2. Judging by the scores and comments, it seems like 75% would be more appropriate. 4 handicap loses 1. 24 handicap loses 6. 36 handicap loses 9. We should all want to get a lower handicap, have to play really well to get 36 points or win, and should all be able to compete fairly.
Just played in the Bideford bay pairs. The winning pair shot 53 points one day!!!!!! dress it up as much as you like and divide it by whatever it doesn’t work.
I’m more annoyed that when we add comp scores onto the howdidido system you know have to state your name, who marked your card and who’s card you marked. What a joke
I long for the good old days when your handicap was based on a good score against par and standard scratch. Par 71 std scr 71 and a score of 68 dropped your handicap by 3 shots. This meant nearly everyone had lower handicaps across the board and all they had to do to keep their handicap was play to it once in the season. If you didn't then the match and handicap committee increased your handicap by a 'fair' number of shots. To get from 5 to 4 handicap required 3 scores at or below 4 over par (std scr) and its was the same for 4 to 3 and 3 to 2 etc. A simple system that everybody liked - then came the Australian system - think it was something about too many bogus scratch handicaps (never understood that though). Golf is hard enough without this ridiculous handicap system that makes it far too serious and takes the fun out of the game.
In Australia all competitions are stableford. The handicap system is perfect for golfers who play lots of different courses. At one course i play i am off 9 at another longer difficult course my daily hcap is 14. Also you can now play a comp round from forward tees as your daily handicap is adjusted. That is the real advantage.
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A solution looking for a problem to solve. Allegedly WHS was supposed to make things more simple. We now have some swanky (interpret that as you will!) machine learning tools and a load of word soup trying to justify it. A thought...is WHS related to public sector organisations in the UK?!
The principle of reflecting the difficulty of a course and its individual tees in a player’s handicap when playing a that specific course is, I feel, sound. That’s particularly so for club competitions. I think many golfers would agree with that. However, by creating such a dregree of complexity which many cannot fathom (or don’t want what they see as the hassle of getting to grips with the calculations, which in truth doesn’t take that much effort imho), the golfing associations have simply lost the interest and support of the vast majority of club golfers. I’d also strongly support the points others make that 1) Completion of a full round should be a requirement to have any impact on handicap/HCI and 2) Whilst I initially welcomed the introduction of General Play rounds for handicap (not every golfer can regularly make medals or indeed wish to play in them but do want a handicap which reflects their ability to let them play social golf), I agree that it is probably being abused by some. On balance, not worth having the GP element and it should be abandoned.
That's ok but I can't make medals. I'm not a member of a local course and only play social golf. If we get rid of the GP element then I will retain a high handicap forever. Suits me though, as I've more chance, as I get better. 😀
The R&A have well and truly lost the plot.. how is this ever going to encourage people to play the game. I've been a keen amateur for 30 years and this is just utter nonsense.. and as a low handicapper, winning a club competition has never felt so far out of my grasp since the changes were implemented..
Still anomalies.. as this new system supposedly reflects your handicap more accurately why is there still a need to reduce it to 95% or in some comps 85%. .your handicap is your handicap not 95% of it! Slope previously determined playing handicap that day on that course. .we as players didn't round up or down.. Plus very senior golfers are not I.T trained
Personally love the new system. No more chasing 36 points to go down, just need to know what the worst of your eight counting scores is (likely closer to 33-34 points). Sometimes you have a buffer of X rounds before your hcp can go up, so can play more relaxed, sometime you have a great score about to drop out. Now takes account of course length (ie course rating). The 95% adjustment for medals is a UK thing.. everywhere else your course hcp is your medal hcp
Bring the old system back,where the h/cap committee set the handicaps .when I joined our club I put in three cards and was given a handicap up to a maximum of eighteen and was told from there I will either go up or down due to my scores.This new system is a load shit ,proved today by a 27 handicapper winning a board job .This happened all through last year with high handicappers cleaning up the honours.
Not had a single figure handicapper winning a board comp at my club since WHS introduced, 36 handicapper now on our board! Golf has been dumbed down to encourage mediocre/ poor golfers. No incentive to improve.
@@emilyadlem8517 second board job of the year,two days stableford.27 h/cap golfer 40 points both days ,no one even close.We need to bring in that new members can't win a board job until they have entered 20 rounds for h/cap analysis.
I don’t go out to play serious golf I want to enjoy myself when I am not playing competitions. How can the powers that be expect a card to be submitted each time we play! How about when you’re working on your game or if there is a blockage on the course or the weather changes so random holes are skipped. It’s got too complicated, if the course is Par 71 then that should be what you are playing against why this CSS doesn’t make sense imho.
Competitions should have maximum handicap allowances and i would think that no one should get more than 1 shot per hole. We have division 1 and division 2 sections in my club so division 1 is players competing against others with handicaps 12 and less and division 2 handicaps higher than this. This is only the weekly medals though.
This is the second time in recent days I have felt compelled to make comments. On Sat morning 4th May I had a playing hip of 5 but when I booked on the system I was showing a 10 handicap because for the first time this year we we playing off the very back tees. Surely this should not double my handicap? When after finishing my game I went to book on the system to find that whilst I was on the course my handicap had changed to 8!!!! How can this be so? I have no idea what my handicap will be the next time I play. I hope that the golfing authorities are taking all this in and realise that things need to change and quickly cos a lot of golfers are now not entertaining club competitions, they don’t want the stress.
I understand it all just fine. What i dont understand is how ive supposedly gotten 3 shots better overnight. Now ill have to potentially wait another 17 or so rounds before my handicap reflects where im actually at. I have a rating currently of 10.3 was playing off 12 from the yellows. Overnight im now apparently off 9 and struggling .. it was bad enough before but now its just ridiculous. Our 1st hole is a very long par 4 probability is its the hardest on the course for most people. Yet its stroke undex 10 and no longer get a shot there. Thanks england golf. I guess i need to hit it further you know like they are moaning about people doing. Once the ball gets rolled back. Im screwed
The problem is, the WHS doesn’t work because not everyone puts their score in for every single round they play, which is what England golf want you to do to get your “real” handicap. Until every player adopts this it will never work and you will never have your true handicap. Question is, how do you police this? You can’t….
I miss when someone asks whats your handicap and you knew what to say based on your index. 6.5-7.4=7. Now you have to take out your card an say I'm off 6 or 8 today or what ever the f..k the system has done to your index on the day. I miss playing and knowing when i beat my handicap, i will get cut .2 for ever stroke i beat it by and if higher hadicappers they get cut .3 or .4 or .5 for every stroke they beat their handicap by. I miss having a buffer target and then if its a tough day on the course you know the css might change. I miss getting only .1 for everytime i don't beat my handicap or get in the buffer. But most of all I miss that feeling that if i play really well today, i could win this competition. Its very say really. Golfers will start determining what handicap they need to compete as opposed to a handicap that reflects their ability because their ability will never be able to complete, but their handicap might if it allows their ability to get 48 Stableford points. I remember geting 39 points and was excited to await to see if i won later that evening. Now i dont even look if i have 39 points, and if I do, its generally just to see what I've been beaten by. I like playing my best golf and think i play the game well for my time playing and my age so cant ever see myself doing what I'm about to say, but who knows things and attitude change. I believe that the WHS will have less and less single figure golfers as years go by as the bench mark for a potential win will be 46-48 points and that is a score that is not achievable for most single figure handicap players, so golfers will start deciding themselves what handicap is required for them to get 48 points every once in a while. Just to say the target of golf is 36 points and if you get that you have beaten 70-80% of the field, and if you do better than 36 points, you should be in with a shout of a will. This system is absolute BS and the sooner golfers and clubs start to push back with the view of abolishing it the better. Keep Congru on standby.🤞🏻🤞🏻
Last week I was 8.3, so 8.3 x (122/113) + 69.7 - 69 = 9.66 (10) so why did the system give me 9? This week I am 8.5, so 8.5 x (122/113) + 69.7 - 69) = 9.87 (10) which the system gave me. We also have incidences of a 9.9 handicap getting more shots than a 10.1!! Trust the system they say and I'm our comps and handicaps chairman!
I think he made a mistake he said the new course handicap in the explanation was 9.8 for starting the calculation should this not have been the world index handicap is calculated at a fraction and course is calculated at whole number he needs to clarify this as it adds more confusion
I'm not even troubling my brain on this ! One thing I still want is if you have a bad round or N/R your handicap goes up ! I can't believe it when I sit in my club with 2500 members and they gloat about there handicap not going up and yet shot net 87,s etc in there last 6 or 7 games. What a joke! System is rubbish. How can you be proud of that !
Wow, reading the comments on here is like any clubhouse on a Saturday afternoon after the comp! Everyone is moaning. What most of you are not realising is that all you need to know is your handicap index. You then take your index to the nice colourful board hanging up somewhere near the locker room, choose the tee you’re gonna use and the nice colourful board shows you how many shots you get. Then you only need to make an adjustment to that figure depending on which type of competition you’re playing in. Simples! Btw it appears that most of you still haven’t got your head round the fact that we no longer have a handicap, we have a handicap index!
Its a ridiculous system and a complete waste of money. Surely my handicap is my handicap why reduced to 95% in comps. I used to play in comps but not anymore will put in the minimum to keep my handicap active and thats that.
I agree with most of the comments why complicate something which should be simple, common sense is disappearing in our society. Why oh why do we have to copy those silly Americans cos if we copied their ridiculous gun legislation some of us wouldn’t be here to make comments!
Yes as I thought this new amendment to the WHS system has turned a difficult system to comprehend to an impossible one. The person or persons who are proudly (no doubt) pleased with themselves for this revision should be made to play the rest of their golf life as a single player following a fourball of 85 year olds who are in no rush to finish. They will then appreciate what it’s like in the real world!
I’ve been playing this game for 50 years and I find all this new system very confusing much rather play like the pros against par that’s what the course is all designed for
Every time I play a round I now have to check my handicap, then convert this to the course handicap, this has to be done by all four players in my group. Handicap fluctuates almost every round. This is causing arguments between players and making the whole game more fractious. This system was introduced to satisfy the USGA and no one else. Seeing that we in the UK introduced the game and the handicap system that worked for more than 100 years their was no need to change the system. Handicaps of 54 or absolutely stupid !!!
I have sat in my office with a calculator trying to work it all out, i have given up, i only want to play golf, some one has sat in an office coming up with what appears to be utter Gobbledygook, i suspect they had never played golf or filled in a card, they must have made it all up from the Asylum.
The replies on here show that this system is very unpopular. If those who brought it in really have the interest of golfers at heart, they will scrap the idea and return to the old ways. Unfortunately, I feel that is most unlikely. Saving face would be deemed more essential than admitting the new `system` is a failure.
All this does is explain that scratch players get more or fewer strokes depending on how hard the course is. The vast majority of golfers aren't scratch. Wasn't the slope supposed to adjust for difficulty. Now club golfers are seeing a constant adjustment regardless of handicap level. I honestly thought this video might tell me some subtle reason for the change that I hadn't understood. I'm afraid it has just confirmed that this is complexity for its own sake.
If you are worse than scratch you get you index x slope/113 so shots for difficulty. Then eveyone gets an adjustment for relative length off given tees (ie par vs course rating). It's not complicated.
This is way to complicated for the average UK golfer. Why do they think we all want to be pro golfers. They must come into the real world if they want to keep us golfing.!!! Crazy.
Trust the system, total shambles, I just don't get the 95%, I start the round off 16 and get carded for a handicap of 15, why not just start at 15? Why so much complication? Plus the new updated sysytem cut me two shots, I feel like jacking golf in and playing tennis where there is no handicaps!
I can follow it but seriously it is far more complicated now than it has been been.The 4BBB calculation would test the best of machinations-need to stop making things more difficult than need to be or people will stop playing the game and/or competitions.
No help whatsoever. I have a handicap between 7.9 and 8.2. The last 6 rounds I have played say I should be playing off 8 When I enter my score it says I am off 7. All the 6 rounds were played after 1st April 2024!! Go back to 75% etc. Live with the bandits or just exclude them from your club competitions!!
Why then do the signs at golf clubs and the myeg app give me a course handicap of 10 and a playing handicap of 10 but when I put my score into V1 my handicap is 9. Luckily I didn't get disqualified for claiming an incorrect handicap. Total joke
So many negative comments is everybody wrong ? I think not .... system is too easy to manipulate. Bring back congu I say. I've had a purple patch won 4 comps in a row off starting at 11.2 and only now reduced by 0.5 to 10.7 ...a couple of higher rounds in next 5 and I'll be back to where I was... ridiculous
The more technology we get, the harder it seems to be to get things moving along. Remember the good old days when we could do it ourselves without A.I? Everything worked well, because we done it with logic,not complication. Go figure..... if you can?
Trust the system. What a load of tosh. On our winter course everyone has lost between 3 and 4 shots. We have had 5 comps and every winner bar one in every category has won the comp on 3 less than their last handicap. Over 150 players cant be wrong. The games just not enjoyable anymore and a load of our senior golfers are being forced out. The old system was far simpler and didnt have scores from two seasons ago counting. 🤬
Golf has become an overpriced, ridiculously complicated game. No wonder clubs are struggling to attract people into the game. You need thousands of pounds and a mathematical mind to play a game that once was accessible to all.
I had one glorious round and four chopped to 18hc 3 shots for a one of round playing winter rules wtf meanwhile the old boys at the club are smashing every competition playing off 28 and never getting docked, they are much better golfer's all i can do is out drive them but they get 10 shots on me, it's bollix
I thought when it first went to WHS it brought us in line with the rest of the worlds system. Now we just get used to it, you change it and tell us its to bring us in line with the rest of the world. Did you not do that ( which you said you did!!) the first time??. I agree with the idea of adjusting handicaps to suit course difficulty, but you have made this far too complicated. Its putting people off entering competitions. The whole system is open to abuse. I can see competition boards in clubs being full of names of people who get 24 shots but having the ability of a 15 handicap golfer and single figure golfers names never getting on boards for winning competitions
This is madness. It's like the offside and handball laws in football, which have got ridiculously complicated. Instead of going back to basics they put tweak on top of tweak on top of more tweaks, and end up with a dogs dinner of unintelligible nonsense. There's some good things in WHS (course ratings, average of 8 scores) but it's credibility is virtually zero because its not easily understood, and changes every few weeks.
WHS is a cheats dream, putting cards in from clubs other than your own club in particular, WHS should ban any cards other than home club, (if you are Club member.)
Hi everyone and thank you for your feedback on on our explainer video for the WHS 2024 changes. As a software provider licenced to the England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland Golf Unions we must abide by the World Handicap System updates. This year, the unions felt that the introduction of course rating minus par and machine precision rounding, would provide more accurate handicaps and level the playing field across golfers of all abilities and at different golf courses. Therefore we are continuing to work alongside the national governing bodies to send, receive and display competition results and handicap indexes on HowDidiDo. To conclude, we as a software provider, are not in control of your handicap calculations, we simply record and send your competition scores to the World Handicap System of your governing body where they are processed.
April the 1st introduction! Seems SO appropriate!
WHS is a pile of shite.
Dumbing down the game. What was wrong with folk having to work to achieve at least a 28 handicap?
Now, someone who never works on their game and is satisfied just to hack it around is given as many shots as they want in order to 'compete' with someone who tries and works hard to achieve a decent handicap.
Cant be arsed? We'll just give you as many shots as you need to beat lower handicap players.
3 shots on a hole FFS.😮
What was up with the old system?
Basically you've fucked the game up and are now trying to patch the holes.
Well said indeed👍
Pretty much perfect summary!!👌
Well said - apart from the swearing…
Well said - including the wholly appropriate swearing. On a few occasions I have asked the question of a group of very experienced club golfers sat round having a drink after a competition round: "Now, who can clearly explain the WHS system"? The usual response is complete and utter silence .... followed a few seconds later by many expletives. This surely cannot be good for golf. Its actually very similar to what has happened with the new(ish) universal ratings system for tennis players, which is not surprising as it is based on the same misguided premise.
utterly ridiculous....they couldn't create a more complicated system if they tried 🙄
Thanks to HDIDO for attempting to explain this ridiculous system.
I would close England Golf tomorrow for allowing this in.
It’s completely smashed many golfers interest in competitive golf. I would prefer to see HDIDIDO take over as they have a closer relationship with golf.
Been single figures for last 20+ years and now find this system makes it impossible to compete in competition and social golf against high hcp players. Going to see this year out having just paid green fees and will then hang up clubs and find something new to do!
I don't have a clue what that was about.
Worst thing that happened in modern golf is the WHS punishment for low handicappers reward for high handicappers and cheats using casual rounds. Nothing should count for your handicap unless a full 18 hole competition round. Bring back Congu why must everything be so complicated
Totally agree. I play regularly with a higher handicapper. Under the new system he has lost 9% of his course handicap whereas I have lost 38% of mine. Guess where the pound goes every week!
Utter nonsense
Worse than VAR
@@pmcm1951and that is extremely difficult to achieve
Couldnt agree more .guy at my club has cap of 54 .normaly goes xround in an incredible 150.last week he played half decent for him. came in with 43 points and won monthly medal...totaly ridiculous
Like the vast majority of guys I golf with I feel this system is far more complicated than it needs to be. It seems to be set up for anyone who wants to play competitions around the globe when in fact most of us just want to play a couple of times a week at our local club. If we do play abroad it would just be a friendly game with friends. 99.9% of golfers are pulling their hair out trying to understand a system designed for a select few!
What a load of bollocks!
I feel like I'm in a minority of about 1 in saying I like the new system. Now that I've got my head around the maths I can see that it makes sense to adjust the playing handicap depending on the tees being used. There is a small problem in that the course ratings aren't always 'right' but since everyone's handicap is affected by the same relative amount, that makes little real difference. Well done to HowDidI Do for explaining it so well. Thank you.
Thanks clear as mud
WOW! Just when you thought it couldn't get anymore complicated
Oh for the old system!
19.00 this is insane. Just makes things more complicated than they were before & we're no wiser. Besides what's the use of having a calculation to come up with a handicap then reduce it by 5%?
How about the fact you put your cards in For your home course, get a WHI then need to check the chart to see how many shots you get on your home course which you played to get your index?
@@guyr7351I only play competitions at my home course, therefore my handicap has been based off playing off the competition tees. I've got my handicap down to 10, yet when I play in a competition at my home course, i play off 8. Why bother having a handicap if you just change it every time I play. Am I off 8 or 10? Who knows
Been play golf 40 years never really understood any handicap system I just play and put in my score ( my handicap is 16 switching off the video half way through…. Don’t understand it….peace to the world from Scotland
EVEN OUR PRO AT THE CLUB HAS GIVEN UP TRYING TO MAKE SENSE OF IT, we have reverted back to the old system & called it a day on this lot, we wont bother playing at any other course anymore. None of us join in the club comps anymore, so we just play social golf between ourselves like we used to do & it's so simple.
Golf is a game mainly played against yourself and the course. Before WHS came in, if we weren't quite on our game we always knew roughly the score needed to be in the buffer zone, and maintain our handicap. That has been taken from us.
I haven't spoken to anyone who likes or understands it.
Why is he wearing a disguise 😁
😂
This was actually filmed in 1976
@@mickritchie1815The real Mammoth
I switched off after 1:40. Load of confusing bollocks.
Majority of members at my club struggle like hell with the new system because you have to enter the name of the card then the attester and then your card again it’s just ludicrous that you have to put the name in twice
this new system is briliant for new golfers they will win way more comps when i started i got a handicap of 26 as i improved i got cut 8 shots on general play as i improved quickly and a further cut later of 5 shots imagine how many comps i could have won ? i probably would have started with a 36 handicap.
In the example shown to illustrate the new rounding calculation, please clarify how can anyone have a course handicap of 9.8??? Surely your 'Course Handicap' is always a whole number.. Are you sure you didn't mean to say 'Handicap Index' of 9.8??
We have to play off all of the above and then at 95% so what’s the point of that? Is that the same at all the other clubs?
This is absolutely rubbish, you have no chance of winning any competitions at our club with all the high handicap players, you have a decent round and come in with 42 points thinking your in with a shout then find some high handicap has come in with 48
It really is pathetic!! Please go back to the old system!! The people who have developed this should be ashamed of themselves. Ruining amateur golf!!! No effort now required to succeed!!!
As a golfer of some 54 years and single figures for over 50 years, unfortunately this is not golf as we knew it!! I urge the home unions to grow a pair and throw this unless system out!! Let's get back to a simple uncomplicated system!! The growth in golf will soon go into reverse and competition participation of single figure handicaps will reduce!
How did they do, not very well judging by the overall majority of negative comments. Politicians couldnt have screwed this up any better . Well done.....
Thanks for this. Slightly clearer 😵💫but my oh my, haven't they made it complicated!!
Thought I was clever memorising pi to six decimal places, now I have to memorise my handicap index to 32 decimal points😳
OMG no wonder nobody wants to get into golf - you need an algebra degree 🤣
I love the bit where he says ‘Trust the system’, who ever trusts any system?
As I see it, the 95% process is an attempt to level the playing field for lower handicappers. When we compete we all lose 5% of h/cap. So a 3-hcap loses nothing, a 36 loses 2. Judging by the scores and comments, it seems like 75% would be more appropriate. 4 handicap loses 1. 24 handicap loses 6. 36 handicap loses 9. We should all want to get a lower handicap, have to play really well to get 36 points or win, and should all be able to compete fairly.
Just played in the Bideford bay pairs. The winning pair shot 53 points one day!!!!!! dress it up as much as you like and divide it by whatever it doesn’t work.
I’m more annoyed that when we add comp scores onto the howdidido system you know have to state your name, who marked your card and who’s card you marked. What a joke
💯 well annoying 😤
You ain't seen nothing yet when Ai gets going.
This is not required by Golf Ireland . Get onto your ClubNet provider and turn it off .
What happens in a 3 ball and one player goes off ill so cards are exchanged again? Computer say no?😂😂😂😂
I'm up for opting out. Scottish golf can shove it.
Interesting but can you extend to calculation of strokes in matchplay?
I long for the good old days when your handicap was based on a good score against par and standard scratch. Par 71 std scr 71 and a score of 68 dropped your handicap by 3 shots. This meant nearly everyone had lower handicaps across the board and all they had to do to keep their handicap was play to it once in the season. If you didn't then the match and handicap committee increased your handicap by a 'fair' number of shots. To get from 5 to 4 handicap required 3 scores at or below 4 over par (std scr) and its was the same for 4 to 3 and 3 to 2 etc. A simple system that everybody liked - then came the Australian system - think it was something about too many bogus scratch handicaps (never understood that though). Golf is hard enough without this ridiculous handicap system that makes it far too serious and takes the fun out of the game.
+3 or -3?
In Australia all competitions are stableford.
The handicap system is perfect for golfers who play lots of different courses.
At one course i play i am off 9 at another longer difficult course my daily hcap is 14.
Also you can now play a comp round from forward tees as your daily handicap is adjusted.
That is the real advantage.
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A solution looking for a problem to solve. Allegedly WHS was supposed to make things more simple. We now have some swanky (interpret that as you will!) machine learning tools and a load of word soup trying to justify it. A thought...is WHS related to public sector organisations in the UK?!
The principle of reflecting the difficulty of a course and its individual tees in a player’s handicap when playing a that specific course is, I feel, sound. That’s particularly so for club competitions. I think many golfers would agree with that. However, by creating such a dregree of complexity which many cannot fathom (or don’t want what they see as the hassle of getting to grips with the calculations, which in truth doesn’t take that much effort imho), the golfing associations have simply lost the interest and support of the vast majority of club golfers. I’d also strongly support the points others make that 1) Completion of a full round should be a requirement to have any impact on handicap/HCI and 2) Whilst I initially welcomed the introduction of General Play rounds for handicap (not every golfer can regularly make medals or indeed wish to play in them but do want a handicap which reflects their ability to let them play social golf), I agree that it is probably being abused by some. On balance, not worth having the GP element and it should be abandoned.
That's ok but I can't make medals. I'm not a member of a local course and only play social golf. If we get rid of the GP element then I will retain a high handicap forever. Suits me though, as I've more chance, as I get better. 😀
The R&A have well and truly lost the plot.. how is this ever going to encourage people to play the game. I've been a keen amateur for 30 years and this is just utter nonsense.. and as a low handicapper, winning a club competition has never felt so far out of my grasp since the changes were implemented..
Fine words, isn't it a sad decline of golf. Hope you play more scratch events, and good luck🏌️
Love it, playing at Stockport with a Bradford City driver headcover 😂
I miss the you are off 4 you get 4 shots system.
I have manipulated my handicap from 5 to 14 and still struggling to be competitive.
How can you use machine calculated handicaps when playing knockout comps to determine the shots given? Whole thing has been over complicated
Still anomalies.. as this new system supposedly reflects your handicap more accurately why is there still a need to reduce it to 95% or in some comps 85%. .your handicap is your handicap not 95% of it!
Slope previously determined playing handicap that day on that course. .we as players didn't round up or down..
Plus very senior golfers are not I.T trained
Personally love the new system. No more chasing 36 points to go down, just need to know what the worst of your eight counting scores is (likely closer to 33-34 points). Sometimes you have a buffer of X rounds before your hcp can go up, so can play more relaxed, sometime you have a great score about to drop out. Now takes account of course length (ie course rating). The 95% adjustment for medals is a UK thing.. everywhere else your course hcp is your medal hcp
No surprise it came out April 1st
I agree this is not fair as you don't need to put a card in for your handicap it certainly suits the high handicappers
Bring the old system back,where the h/cap committee set the handicaps .when I joined our club I put in three cards and was given a handicap up to a maximum of eighteen and was told from there I will either go up or down due to my scores.This new system is a load shit ,proved today by a 27 handicapper winning a board job .This happened all through last year with high handicappers cleaning up the honours.
Not had a single figure handicapper winning a board comp at my club since WHS introduced, 36 handicapper now on our board!
Golf has been dumbed down to encourage mediocre/ poor golfers.
No incentive to improve.
@@emilyadlem8517 second board job of the year,two days stableford.27 h/cap golfer 40 points both days ,no one even close.We need to bring in that new members can't win a board job until they have entered 20 rounds for h/cap analysis.
I don’t go out to play serious golf I want to enjoy myself when I am not playing competitions. How can the powers that be expect a card to be submitted each time we play! How about when you’re working on your game or if there is a blockage on the course or the weather changes so random holes are skipped. It’s got too complicated, if the course is Par 71 then that should be what you are playing against why this CSS doesn’t make sense imho.
Competitions should have maximum handicap allowances and i would think that no one should get more than 1 shot per hole. We have division 1 and division 2 sections in my club so division 1 is players competing against others with handicaps 12 and less and division 2 handicaps higher than this. This is only the weekly medals though.
This is the second time in recent days I have felt compelled to make comments. On Sat morning 4th May I had a playing hip of 5 but when I booked on the system I was showing a 10 handicap because for the first time this year we we playing off the very back tees. Surely this should not double my handicap? When after finishing my game I went to book on the system to find that whilst I was on the course my handicap had changed to 8!!!! How can this be so? I have no idea what my handicap will be the next time I play. I hope that the golfing authorities are taking all this in and realise that things need to change and quickly cos a lot of golfers are now not entertaining club competitions, they don’t want the stress.
Just hit the ball into the hole. Put down your gross score and leave the rest to the machine
I understand it all just fine. What i dont understand is how ive supposedly gotten 3 shots better overnight. Now ill have to potentially wait another 17 or so rounds before my handicap reflects where im actually at. I have a rating currently of 10.3 was playing off 12 from the yellows. Overnight im now apparently off 9 and struggling .. it was bad enough before but now its just ridiculous. Our 1st hole is a very long par 4 probability is its the hardest on the course for most people. Yet its stroke undex 10 and no longer get a shot there. Thanks england golf. I guess i need to hit it further you know like they are moaning about people doing. Once the ball gets rolled back. Im screwed
The problem is, the WHS doesn’t work because not everyone puts their score in for every single round they play, which is what England golf want you to do to get your “real” handicap. Until every player adopts this it will never work and you will never have your true handicap. Question is, how do you police this? You can’t….
I miss when someone asks whats your handicap and you knew what to say based on your index. 6.5-7.4=7. Now you have to take out your card an say I'm off 6 or 8 today or what ever the f..k the system has done to your index on the day.
I miss playing and knowing when i beat my handicap, i will get cut .2 for ever stroke i beat it by and if higher hadicappers they get cut .3 or .4 or .5 for every stroke they beat their handicap by.
I miss having a buffer target and then if its a tough day on the course you know the css might change.
I miss getting only .1 for everytime i don't beat my handicap or get in the buffer.
But most of all I miss that feeling that if i play really well today, i could win this competition.
Its very say really. Golfers will start determining what handicap they need to compete as opposed to a handicap that reflects their ability because their ability will never be able to complete, but their handicap might if it allows their ability to get 48 Stableford points. I remember geting 39 points and was excited to await to see if i won later that evening. Now i dont even look if i have 39 points, and if I do, its generally just to see what I've been beaten by.
I like playing my best golf and think i play the game well for my time playing and my age so cant ever see myself doing what I'm about to say, but who knows things and attitude change. I believe that the WHS will have less and less single figure golfers as years go by as the bench mark for a potential win will be 46-48 points and that is a score that is not achievable for most single figure handicap players, so golfers will start deciding themselves what handicap is required for them to get 48 points every once in a while. Just to say the target of golf is 36 points and if you get that you have beaten 70-80% of the field, and if you do better than 36 points, you should be in with a shout of a will.
This system is absolute BS and the sooner golfers and clubs start to push back with the view of abolishing it the better. Keep Congru on standby.🤞🏻🤞🏻
Last week I was 8.3, so 8.3 x (122/113) + 69.7 - 69 = 9.66 (10) so why did the system give me 9? This week I am 8.5, so 8.5 x (122/113) + 69.7 - 69) = 9.87 (10) which the system gave me. We also have incidences of a 9.9 handicap getting more shots than a 10.1!! Trust the system they say and I'm our comps and handicaps chairman!
I think he made a mistake he said the new course handicap in the explanation was 9.8 for starting the calculation should this not have been the world index handicap is calculated at a fraction and course is calculated at whole number he needs to clarify this as it adds more confusion
From 70/80comps a year to zero this year...had enough of all this twiddle before you even tee off
How does the system deal with a round where illness means a change of marker mid round?
@@barryjohnson2293assume it’s whoever signs the card.
I'm not even troubling my brain on this ! One thing I still want is if you have a bad round or N/R your handicap goes up ! I can't believe it when I sit in my club with 2500 members and they gloat about there handicap not going up and yet shot net 87,s etc in there last 6 or 7 games. What a joke! System is rubbish. How can you be proud of that !
I know that if every 5 handicapper I know played from the back tees at 6800-7500 yds, they would be lucky to be at best a 10 h p.
Golf used to be simple, this just creates uncertainty the old sss was easy to understand
Wow, reading the comments on here is like any clubhouse on a Saturday afternoon after the comp! Everyone is moaning. What most of you are not realising is that all you need to know is your handicap index. You then take your index to the nice colourful board hanging up somewhere near the locker room, choose the tee you’re gonna use and the nice colourful board shows you how many shots you get. Then you only need to make an adjustment to that figure depending on which type of competition you’re playing in. Simples! Btw it appears that most of you still haven’t got your head round the fact that we no longer have a handicap, we have a handicap index!
Its a ridiculous system and a complete waste of money. Surely my handicap is my handicap why reduced to 95% in comps. I used to play in comps but not anymore will put in the minimum to keep my handicap active and thats that.
I agree with most of the comments why complicate something which should be simple, common sense is disappearing in our society. Why oh why do we have to copy those silly Americans cos if we copied their ridiculous gun legislation some of us wouldn’t be here to make comments!
Yes as I thought this new amendment to the WHS system has turned a difficult system to comprehend to an impossible one. The person or persons who are proudly (no doubt) pleased with themselves for this revision should be made to play the rest of their golf life as a single player following a fourball of 85 year olds who are in no rush to finish. They will then appreciate what it’s like in the real world!
Just mark down your score at each hole put it in the computer and its all done for you players don’t have to know how it works it’s simple
I’ve been playing this game for 50 years and I find all this new system very confusing much rather play like the pros against par that’s what the course is all designed for
Every time I play a round I now have to check my handicap, then convert this to the course handicap, this has to be done by all four players in my group. Handicap fluctuates almost every round. This is causing arguments between players and making the whole game more fractious. This system was introduced to satisfy the USGA and no one else. Seeing that we in the UK introduced the game and the handicap system that worked for more than 100 years their was no need to change the system. Handicaps of 54 or absolutely stupid !!!
I'm struggling to get past the fact that you are wearing denim jeans at Stockport Golf Club
I have sat in my office with a calculator trying to work it all out, i have given up, i only want to play golf, some one has sat in an office coming up with what appears to be utter Gobbledygook, i suspect they had never played golf or filled in a card, they must have made it all up from the Asylum.
The replies on here show that this system is very unpopular. If those who brought it in really have the interest of golfers at heart, they will scrap the idea and return to the old ways. Unfortunately, I feel that is most unlikely. Saving face would be deemed more essential than admitting the new `system` is a failure.
My course is a 69 handicap.. whatever you go round in another 5(!) shots are added. Ridiculous
All this does is explain that scratch players get more or fewer strokes depending on how hard the course is. The vast majority of golfers aren't scratch. Wasn't the slope supposed to adjust for difficulty. Now club golfers are seeing a constant adjustment regardless of handicap level. I honestly thought this video might tell me some subtle reason for the change that I hadn't understood. I'm afraid it has just confirmed that this is complexity for its own sake.
If you are worse than scratch you get you index x slope/113 so shots for difficulty. Then eveyone gets an adjustment for relative length off given tees (ie par vs course rating). It's not complicated.
Surreal
And they complain about slow play takes longer to input scores thus losing clubhouse money for one less pint
This is way to complicated for the average UK golfer. Why do they think we all want to be pro golfers. They must come into the real world if they want to keep us golfing.!!! Crazy.
Trust the system, total shambles, I just don't get the 95%, I start the round off 16 and get carded for a handicap of 15, why not just start at 15? Why so much complication? Plus the new updated sysytem cut me two shots, I feel like jacking golf in and playing tennis where there is no handicaps!
I can follow it but seriously it is far more complicated now than it has been been.The 4BBB calculation would test the best of machinations-need to stop making things more difficult than need to be or people will stop playing the game and/or competitions.
No help whatsoever. I have a handicap between 7.9 and 8.2. The last 6 rounds I have played say I should be playing off 8
When I enter my score it says I am off 7. All the 6 rounds were played after 1st April 2024!! Go back to 75% etc. Live with the bandits or just exclude them from your club competitions!!
There's just one thing that confuses me.... everything 🤷♂️
Why then do the signs at golf clubs and the myeg app give me a course handicap of 10 and a playing handicap of 10 but when I put my score into V1 my handicap is 9.
Luckily I didn't get disqualified for claiming an incorrect handicap. Total joke
By now it must be clear that the new handicap system has become nothing more than a demotivating lottery.
Why oh why, Things used to be so simple.
So many negative comments is everybody wrong ? I think not .... system is too easy to manipulate. Bring back congu I say.
I've had a purple patch won 4 comps in a row off starting at 11.2 and only now reduced by 0.5 to 10.7 ...a couple of higher rounds in next 5 and I'll be back to where I was... ridiculous
Just what is the point of it all? Let's have a single handicap and do your best to play to it!
The more technology we get, the harder it seems to be to get things moving along. Remember the good old days when we could do it ourselves without A.I? Everything worked well, because we done it with logic,not complication. Go figure..... if you can?
Trust the system. What a load of tosh. On our winter course everyone has lost between 3 and 4 shots. We have had 5 comps and every winner bar one in every category has won the comp on 3 less than their last handicap. Over 150 players cant be wrong. The games just not enjoyable anymore and a load of our senior golfers are being forced out. The old system was far simpler and didnt have scores from two seasons ago counting. 🤬
Golf has become an overpriced, ridiculously complicated game. No wonder clubs are struggling to attract people into the game. You need thousands of pounds and a mathematical mind to play a game that once was accessible to all.
Games more popular now more than ever especially regarding younger people!
Accessible to all? It was way more elitist when I was younger. It's always been too expensive.
I had one glorious round and four chopped to 18hc 3 shots for a one of round playing winter rules wtf meanwhile the old boys at the club are smashing every competition playing off 28 and never getting docked, they are much better golfer's all i can do is out drive them but they get 10 shots on me, it's bollix
Man straight out the 80s
I thought when it first went to WHS it brought us in line with the rest of the worlds system. Now we just get used to it, you change it and tell us its to bring us in line with the rest of the world. Did you not do that ( which you said you did!!) the first time??.
I agree with the idea of adjusting handicaps to suit course difficulty, but you have made this far too complicated.
Its putting people off entering competitions.
The whole system is open to abuse. I can see competition boards in clubs being full of names of people who get 24 shots but having the ability of a 15 handicap golfer and single figure golfers names never getting on boards for winning competitions
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This is madness. It's like the offside and handball laws in football, which have got ridiculously complicated. Instead of going back to basics they put tweak on top of tweak on top of more tweaks, and end up with a dogs dinner of unintelligible nonsense. There's some good things in WHS (course ratings, average of 8 scores) but it's credibility is virtually zero because its not easily understood, and changes every few weeks.
I'm even more confused
WHS is a cheats dream, putting cards in from clubs other than your own club in particular, WHS should ban any cards other than home club, (if you are Club member.)
Listen to the people who play the game and not some prick in an office who thinks they know better man up and admit they got it wrong