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Abode is REALLY POKING AT THE BEAR, WAVING A RED FLAG AT THE BULL and saying come and get me... Besides the Abode logo looking like the Adobe logo. Abode is the same spelling as Adobe, that is if your were to trade places with the b and d. One does not need to be a legal scholar to know that Abode will be served with a huge copyright civil suit. I'm entertained from Abode for their ballsy behavior in the face of an international corporate giant. However, I for one would not be buying their product. Unfortunately this will be a short lived product before Adobe forces Abode to close down. This is a crazy fight that Abode can't win.
I am an Adobe user of 34 years standing, absolutely hate the company, and hate the software since subscription, however for the first few years my subscriptions were covered by my old agency, I have written complaints and highlighted the fact that they are steadily killing the functionality by making key features "predictive" to align with the kind of idiot apps available for phones and pads, for example, since the bounding box was introduced in Illustrator, I lose hours attempting a simple moves and instead watching the object spin around or stretch rather than simply reposition as my action would suggest, actions i had been practicing for 20+ years at the time (one of my outbursts led to my patronising twat of a studio head informing me a bad workman blames his tools, a somewhat offensive remark given that i handled most of his more sophisticated image work and vector stuff, also having been the only member of staff that has judged D&AD and have numerous awards for my work), I now refuse most work unless the client accepts the vast majority will be hand done. The recent decision not to allow "type1" font's has totally destroyed my font library, collected over 30+ years, while the extra charge for pantone can be dismissed by just making your own colours, removing my ability to use font's i had licences for is nothing but a strong arm tactic, and much like you, I will not acquiesce. I do have the problem that most of my remaining clients are only familiar with adobe, but they have accepted my refusal and allow me to work my way. I am using the Affinity range, which is great but a learning curve regarding the methods to perform tasks that have been branded into my reflexes by time. Even had an "issue" i posted on their community boards "settled" by one of Adobe's own staff, who wrote a patronising reply and then made it impossible for any more comments to be added as my "statement" had garnered quite a bit of support and agreement. Adobe are software mafia, monopolising the design tool market much like Quark attempted in the early days, hopefully adobe will end up on the same pages of the design history books.
I have a 13 year old laptop that still has CS5 installed. I baby it along refusing to switch to the creative cloud. It pisses me off that I bought the suite back in 2011 and Adobe no longer allows me to register the software I bought and payed for to another a computer. This is theft.
Consider saving InDesign to IDMK markup and look at affinity serif publisher 2. They open IDMK files (have a 6 months free trial now) and are as good or better than InDesign (buy the license once like Adobe used to be). We have CS6 but will move to affinity once CS6 stops working.
This “renting in perpetuity” model is something society really needs to wake up to and fight. The WEF talks about it as the way of the future. Their stated goal is by 2030 for us to “Own nothing and be happy”. Not just software. They are talking about automobiles to clothing to homes. Creating a permanent serf class.
I ditched Adobe and switched to Affinity when Adobe went to subscription. I think your Cutting the Cord series gave me the the little push I needed (so many thanks!). No regrets at all.
@@nlight8769 They will be subscription based before too long. That's why they're offering the 6 month trial. Unusually long, and probably long enough to get people "locked" into the system where they will migrate to the paid plans. Skylum sort of did the same thing, in a way.
I'm really happy to see somebody bucking the system. Why a new artist, photographer, or content creator would sign onto Adobe CC at age 18 in college and then pay a monthly fee FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES is criminally insane. The industry needs to stand up and say LOUDLY we hire people who know software other than Adobe.
Unless that person was making a profit, then it does make sense. People need to take the opprtunity cost into account too, or if it's a business, it's a cost of doing business. And frankly $10 a month for say 10 years is about what they are currently paying for phones which if you think about it, you really can only use for a reasonable period of time (maybe 5 years) before it becomes obsolete.
@@HR-wd6cw Who is they and what example of 10bucks for 10 years are you talking about? I do not do that. Everyone is gonna have monthly fee! Now you would have to pay many half a dozen streaming services that amount of money to be able to watch everything you would be interested in. Where does it stop? Somewhere it has to stop! Adobe was a quasi monopolist working for the shareholders, not for their customers.
@@jcristina No doubt. While this corporate bully has deep pockets, they also don't generally go after the average joe for no reason. I guess you can take some consolation knowing that your IP is that good.
I used to be involved in software creation. It is unsustainable to sell a lifetime license for a product that will require maintenance for bug fixes and to support new hardware & OS's and new features to keep on top of the competition. Once such a company has flooded the market, its income will dry up and they won't be able to afford the programmers to fix bugs and support new hardware/OS. Then users will complain "what the hell! I bought this 8 years ago and now it doesn't work with Windows 15. It's a rip off!" Before Adobe (and others) got greedy, the successful sales model was a perpetual license and an annual support fee which guaranteed access to new versions as they are developed.
wait he makes enough on youtube to pay 55 million dollars? they lied to me that youtube pays nothing unless you have millions of subscribers and views omg!!!
Also, I've been paying extra on my kid's college fees for Adobe licenses for Premier. I'm teaching her to use Da Vinci Resolve, GIMP and Inkscape now before she graduates.
@@jcristina oh and yeah, apparently the college has a " creative collaboration" with Adobe. I see "business deal". I should have seen that a mile away.
I remember the old days when photography was photography. Now photography is digital photo editing. Those were the days when you could get pissed off at an art director, throw a Nikon camera at a brick wall, after he ducked, and the 135 mm lens still worked.
The difference being that paint and brushes are expendable and need to constantly be replaced, provided a consistent revenue stream for the manufacturer. Software is different since the user can buy one version of an app and use it for years until they decide that the new features in the latest version make an upgrade worthwhile. I hate subscriptions too and I avoid them like the plague, but I do understand why they are a much more sensible and sustainable business model for developers.
But paint brushes and paint are consumable. You want to talk about consumables.. .let's talk printer ink. That's a real scam and I'd say a bigger theft than what Adobe is doing. At least you're getting $10 worth (maybe more) of value per month for most people with the tools.
Thank you! This is the same analogy I've had over the years and don't forget they are now using the same artist/ their consumer's work to train A.I that may replace the artists in the future. Wow!
If you take care of your painting supplies they can last a lot more than you think. I have brushes that are 20 years old and are perfect. Once you buy all you need you don't really buy new stuff often. I go to buy paint once a year. I buy mostly paper. And my paper is cheaper than the electricity my computer needs to run photoshop.
As long as we keep electing lawyers nothing is going to change when it comes to the legal process. The ratio of lawyers to citizens is too high in the US as compared to other civilized countries.
The problem isn’t lawyers. It’s the system. It does not penalise the loser of a lawsuit and the lawyers involved. In most countries the loser pay the court fees. This stops frivolous lawsuits and whittles down the number of cases. Big cases get taken on when there’s a good chance of success. This removes the number of lawyers in the system and the cost of lawsuits. Thsi needs to happen in the USA.
@@pentachronic It happened to me my own lawyer sold me out to the opposing party so he could make the case x times more complicated for more attorney's fee. Sadly there's no way to prevent such shady business practice. Their income comes from your problems, so if they don't intensify the conflicts they don't make money.
I know a recent student who cut the adobe cord after college (which required it). I also remember when you could buy Adobe without the perpetual rent model. I prefer the buy model, not rent.
I with you on this. I used to pay for the "photography" bundle from Adobe, but dropped it a few years back. I now use several other products in place if it. Looking forward to Abode if they make it!
As someone who subbed to this channel because of the cutting the cord series I'm seriously hopeful for this suite. I have been using a couple of Affinity products, but a while back they introduced the 2.0 versions that had nothing to do with the version I was using. The whole time I was using it I had to deal with problematic and obtuse functions that weren't as useful as a 20 year old Adobe program, so I waited hoping that they'd fix a laundry list of concerns users were posting in the forums. That solution appeared to be dump the current program and ask people to buy another one. While not as serious, Clipstudio seemed to do the _exact_ same thing. Thankfully, I can still photo edit, digitally paint, & draw just fine with their original tool without need for their new upgrades (assuming the old tools continue to function). For my purposes, Affinity's "Indesign clone" still works just fine in fact it's nearly identical to Indesign as far as laying out a book. I suppose I could probably use Scribus if I needed to, go back to Inkscape and hope it eventually runs as smoothly as a 20 year old Illustrator, or I could just wait for yet another free application to come along, but I _paid_ for Affinity's products in the hopes that they'd eventually meet or exceed a level of professional quality without having to nickel and dime me like Adobe. I still use DaVinci Resolve for video editing, but it's growing too robust for my modest old computer, where I fear that if I update to the latest free version I might lose functionality. I agree that "Abode" will see some legal action. Their logos are certainly parody, but the social commentary part of their tools creation will suffer from the obvious intent to spit in Adobe's eye. Change the logos to be less obvious. Make software that works well, even similar to adobe products, but don't use their UI colors, and please don't make obtuse changes like Affinity made to Designer that make it less intuitive or hide new functions behind a 2.0 release. You can make clones that don't get screwed by huge corporations. I've been using the free Libre Office as my word processor for almost a decade, does everything Microsoft Word does just fine, I don't see MS running to shut them down. As more companies fall into the mindset that people have unlimited funds to rent everything from art software to games, we need more people who just want to sell us a good usable product.
I couldn’t agree more. I understand that companies need to make money and that is the reason they are in business. But the likes of Adobe and many others simply are evil IMHO.
because US senators are corrupt and taking bribes from big business. Foreign governments are all corrupt and ONLY serving big business and the wealthy. This will not change unless we force change. A global revolution is nearing and we will need to forcibly overthrow governments. En masse.
Unfortunately, Laws are worthless in a lawless society, perhaps the better option might be to stop giving money to these companies that hate us. vote with your FIAT money that they also own. money=DEBT
It's not illegal because those same corporations pay a portion of their illicit gains to the lawmakers, A.K.A politicians. May I introduce you to lobbying, also known as a legal way to bribe politicians, at least if you're wealthy enough.
United States also has one problem that a lot of other countries don't allow is that you have to pay for your own attorney unless there's a specific law that says they have to reimburse you for that. A lot of these frivolous lawsuits would go away if they have to pay when they lose your attorney fees. Court cost. Anything else associated with their trial? Their so if they bring a suit against you and lose then they have to pay for all of that. I'm glad you won
The problem is that the snowball already started rolling down the hill. If no one bought these monthly subscriptions in the first place, companies would have stopped trying. But enough people bought the subscriptions and now they are making money hand over fist. Consumers are just as complicit.
"...lease or rental model, it is disgusting". Oh man! How I agree with you on this. I am not a pro so, a monthly subscription to use an editing software makes no sense to me at all. In fact, I hate it. Car manufacturers are about to do the same thing with owners who want to use their A/C, heated seats, etc. To me, this business model is so @#$% up. I can only hope customers will rebel.
For stuff like editing software, *absolutely.* There is literally no cost to letting your users have the same, unchanging software on their computers. They just want to sit down and buy yachts while watching stock go up and putting no effort in. They are leeches and nothing more.
@@HR-wd6cw my honest guess is that within the next 5-10 years Affinity will go public and switch to a subscription model. I'd love to be proven wrong, though. They're garnering the people's trust and expanding their market share. Same thing Adobe did all those years ago. The conditions are there, it's all up to the CEO/board of the company to decide if and when to do it.
I have been an Adobe user since I was in college starting in 2006. I Hated. it when they went to the subscription model. I was more of an advanced hobbyist, and creative director for my church. I just assumed it was what you needed to do. I threatened after years to leave Adobe, and the immediately offered me $39.99 a month to stay, but after watching your video, I got to thinking again..."am I just a serf?" That is how it feels...
I'm paying cca 30€ / month for a school licence. I wanted the school to acquire Adobe licence too, but It was/is too expensive. As you can imagine, it is not cheap for me neither, but that's my problem. What bothers me, is that they just don't stop squeezing you. Not the money - the dark patterns they are using, to hide all that squeezing. All that, that people are exposing in the comments and reviews... It shows a different agenda then we are led to believe.
I paid my way out of a photo subscription from Adobe. It’s crazy! Will never have anything with that company ever again. I will run the opposite direction of any Adobe commercial.
God bless anyone who makes a viable alternative to PS. The subscription model is a precursor to the abolition of private property. It must be stopped now.
Few points to make. There's a big flaw to this thinking... you never "owned" Adobe software or any other commercial software. You licensed the software - essentially leased it. The EULA states this, and explains that at any time it can be end of lifed (all these EULA's essentially say the software sucks, will break, and die and they are not responsible). I own a small motion design studio which uses the majority of Adobe's products to get our work done. Prior to Creative Cloud my only option was to buy the Master Collection. For 10 licenses I was paying about $12k/year... even though it was not a yearly subscription I had to keep my files in sync with my clients and they would always upgrade. When they switched to Creative Cloud it dropped my price to about $9k. So for me, CC was a more cost effective solution. I also have a side-hustle selling the tools we develop at the studio which we launched as one-time purchases. Sales spike on launch, then plateau and finally sink after all the core customers own it. The tools are very valuable to the user, and I'm sure we could have done a subscription and had seen at least 50% of users renew. Instead over time it becomes costly to maintain software without new revenue so we have stopped selling them. Of course Adobe is on a different level, but it's still the best model for software products and not changing. Finally, considering my time developing my internal software, working at software companies early in my career, and beta testing a ton of commercial apps, I have seen first hand how much time it takes to build quality products. There is so much core technology shared by Adobe's apps. Color science, type engines, color pickers, UI frameworks, etc. Open source or system calls can not compete. It would take these jokers years to get a type tool that works as well as Adobe's.... it took After Effects 10 years to do pair kerning ;-). And finally, Abode is not parody. He's got both copyright and trademark issues even before they get into the IP issues. This guy is in serious trouble.
I agree there will be litigation. Also, I personally like the purchase once and then force the provider to convince me to purchase and upgrade. Hence forced innovation compared to iteration. Just my thought from a consumer perspective.
@mattsilverman256 - Come on, Matt; you know what users mean when they say they "own" the software. It's not a game of semantics. In this context, "own" means that the user can continue to use it on the platform on which it is installed as long as the hardware and OS remain viable and operational, without having to pay recurring tribute for the "privilege" of using the software. I have no objection to paying for software updates, but if I have an application running in a stable work environment, that is essentially a set of tools that I use to produce my work product. When I buy a set of socket wrenches or any other tools, I do so because I don't want to rent them. Tools wear out, or better technology becomes available. If replacing my existing tools will make me more productive, I usually make that investment. I'm not opposed to providing continuing market support to companies who make valuable tools. But in my view, Adobe's policies are abusive and have resulted in an erosion of customer good will. I don't deny that they have the right to charge whatever they want for their software. But I also have the right to withhold my support of what I believe to be an unconscionable betrayal of good will and trust, as seen in their recent attempt to commandeer the intellectual property of Creative Cloud users via an exploitive TOS agreement. Any way you cut it, that's theft, and it's outright disrespect of the property of their customers. That speaks volumes about Adobe's true intent. I do not trust people who demand that I respect them more than they respect me, and that goes for companies like Adobe.
That's just semantics. Whether it's a lifetime license or ownership doesn't matter, except legally. I won't argue that they can't do what they did. Because they already went and did it for the money. But what I can argue is that their motives behind what they did were disingenuous and greedy. So shut up, shill. We all know what the point of the complaints are. I don't *care* if the law says it's "fine" to do.
Wow, you have my full respect now!! I didn't know this. I made my move off of Microsoft as a former MCSE in 2006 starting with Ubuntu on a Desktop at this time and have never regretted it. It also corresponds more with a freedom and love based mindset than with a fear and control based one. I embrace the Open Source Communities of this World!
Adobe git me completely out of photography. I bought every extension then they locked me out of what I bought. I shoot jpeg now. Minimal adjustments. Retired
J. You Da Man. I've been in 2 law suits. The public has no clue. Motion upon motion to break the bank and get you to quit. Most people don't stand a chance, especially if your lawyers are playing the Stall-Delay motion game. I 've know a guy who had to fight for ten years or more. The only way he won was to become his own lawyer.
Although I’m only a small user of Adobe products, it’s lease-to-use model bothers me from the start. The whole idea that I’ve to pay even after retirement to be able to make small adjustments to MY creative ideas is driving me nuts. So although being a rough road ahead, I’m switching to alternatives as well. Won’t be easy and it won’t be finished soon, but we will get there :) Thanks for the inspiration!
I think rental model is necessary because there is a team actively maintaining and updating it. But it only works if it does significantly lower the initial purchase. For example some software costs over a thousand dollars to buy, and you pay for subsequent updates, making it impossible for many to obtain in the first place. But these days you can start at a much lower fee in a rental model. Next point being the monthly/annual fee needs to be low enough for the model to work. For example I don’t mind paying $10 to $50 a year to rent a really good app that I use everyday, and because there is no initial investment, I can quit/switch software any time I don’t want to use it anymore. Problem with adobe is it being extremely expensive, and it made me feel that I should have owned something with the amount that I’m paying. But of course we’re just paying them so they can go around and sue us back lol that’s a no for me. Seriously the only reason I haven’t given them any money is the fact that I cannot afford it 😂
Glad that found your channel, great videos, you' re very helpful for designers and everybody with common sense. Keep posting. And Abode suite is cherry on top :)
I havent used a single adobe product in well over a decade. Resolve + Krita have served all my needs, and there is plenty of software out there for the few things those 2 programs dont.
They went radio silent on their Kickstarter campaign and have been having order fulfillment issues while launching a ton of new products. I was wondering if they were finally getting sued and trying not to sink… I think your right on point.
You should do a refresher course on cutting the cord. 4 years ago I watched some of the best "programming" on UA-cam. As a proponent of Open Source I cannot believe how willing people are to be forced into a subscription service and pay to own nothing, with the belief that there are no other "alternatives". BTW, Anish Kapoor can no longer claim "the blackest black" there is now another black that is even "blacker" and absorbs even more light😂
I’ve seen these “leaving Adobe” thumbnails for the last few weeks, but only clicked on a few today. We’ll be leaving Adobe very soon as well. Thank you for the info
Wow, what a story that was!! I've used Adobe from first they came out until they started on "borrowed" software situation. I only used for tiny multimedia edits when my graphic artist was not available and those softwares were paid by the company so I never had to pay for them for myself but I know they're pricy. I definitely did not like the fact that their software was located in cloud base.
Despite every photographer on the internet spruiking adobe products I chose affinity because it's a one off payment and it's memory requirements were modest. As an amateur photographer it does way more than I would ever use. The astrophotography stacking replaced two other programs I had been using.
I have paid way too much over the years. I recently signed up for a trial for their stock photo cause I needed one photo, then of course I forgot to cancel, which is why they give a free trial cause they are counting on people to forget, then I tried to cancel and they said the contract says I have to pay over $100 dollars, maybe even over 150 to cancel the year long contract I "agreed" to. I was soooo pissed. I told them I would be suing them and they finally dropped me with no charge. Unreal. They have way to much power.
I actually backed the Kickstarter on this. *thumbs up* EDIT: I'm also an Affinity owner (am using it for my own personal stuff) but still have an Adobe sub (for the time being) for work. Deffo looking forward to the point where I'm to the point I can chuck Adobe. SIDE NOTE: video gaming is going the same direction with Live Service games, subscriptions, and microtransactions. There's a building backlash against the game publishers' overmonetization there as well.
I helped my wife with a lawsuit pro se. We fuled tons of motions until the other side couldn't afford their lawyer anymore. If you can write motions and answer them yourself and then hire a lawyer at the very end you will save a ton of money.
I have been buying Adobe products, first product I purchased was Photoshop 6.0. This was back in 2003. I can't remember the exact amount of money it cost, but it was several hundred dollars and for me, just starting my business that year, it was a LOT of money. When they went to the subscription model, it really pissed me off. However, here I am today, still paying. I do also have the Affinity products which were so affordable. I guess if I were the owner of Adobe and I could get people to pay the subscription while I raked in the money, I would and if most people were honest, they would say they would as well. But when you are the customer and you are basically forced to pay for it or not have it, or not have the most up to date version, then you just keep on keeping on. I've thought about getting rid of it now that I have the Affinity products but I'm kind of like I've had it so long and it's comfortable? Who knows why I punish myself! lol I never heard of you before JCristina, but you showed up on my YT home page, so I was curious about someone being sued for that huge amount of money. I like your style. Now, this video right here is the only one I've ever seen so you may be just the type of person I would get along with, however, I may see another video of yours and you piss me off, who knows? LOL
When I was younger, I played a futuristic game, the game story is, that I was hired by a corporation to fight other corporations. The most powerful entities in this game are corporations, not nations or governments. I just forgot the name of the game.
I use Abode in school but I going to switch to Affinity after finishing my studies considering I can't afford this application with my current financial state. Getting a degree alone is already pricey.
Many many years ago I used a piece of software called System Mechanic to keep my PC clean and maintained. It was a one time purchase with free regular updates. After several years of use they went to the subscription model. No more updates. I don't lease cars and I always hated paying rent on an apartment. I most certainly was not going to lease software. Particularly software that I had already fully paid for. I found alternatives. If I recall correctly, Microsoft Office used to cost about $400, but now it is subscription based. I use to use it at work, but never purchased it for home use. Instead, I use Libre Office. I'm sure you're aware of it. 100% free community-driven and developed open source software, but it's only available on the desktop and doesn't have all the capabilities of Microsoft Office. The products offer different features, but whereas Office has Word and Excel Libre Office has Writer and Calc. Admittedly, Microsoft Office is a superior product so if you're a hard core user then it's probably the way to go, but if you are just a casual user like me then typing up some documents and creating spread sheets then Libre Office more than fits the bill.
I always used Paint Shop Pro before I switched to open source. Never really needed Adobe with my limited creativity. Just a note that Abode is likely to be deemed to similar to Adobe by a court. This happened to Lindows when Microsoft sued them and they became Linspire and eventually faded into obscurity.
Still have CS6 Master Collection. Not using it, because I retired Windows four years ago in favour of fedora KDE Plasma Wayland. It's running on my ASUS EP 121 Wacom Tablet from 2012 !!! like charm. Using Krita, Inkscape, Scribus, Fontforge, darktable and RawTherapee, seldom Gimp, Blender, FreeCAD, for small animations Pencil2D. Will use DaVinci Resolve on a PC Station with my 22" XP-Pen monitor that I've built an adjustable stand for, really fancy looking in metal and bamboo. For smaller projects Kdenlive is best. Illustrator still has some advantages in retro engineering certain corporate pdf templates and acrobat XPro and InDesign still has some advantages against Scribus when it comes to preflight in print production, but there are, less convenient, workarounds. For sound and music there's Audacity, Ardour and LMMS.
I am currently stuck paying Adobe until my contract is up because it is cheaper than buying it out. It is sad because I am not a professional. I was just a long-time Adobe user who went to Creative Cloud at one point, and then eventually switched to alternative tools. If I could get out now, I would...because I do not even use the software at all now.
Even IF the actual word "Adobe" was being used as part of another company name or product, rather than a completely DIFFERENT word such as your case, Adobe CANNOT copyright it, because it's a "common name" already in existence such as "Adobe Houses". The word "Adobe" is used in other respects, thus by law they can't claim copyright over it being used in other contexts. The ONLY claim to copyright they have is just the single word itself by itself. They legally can't claim copyright in any other usage.
@@jcristina ... Of course, that's if we had rational courts anymore. You can't trust the Law anymore, certain parties are abusing it and have bad ideas.
For years a lot of people have become Pirates and don't pay squat for software, music, nor movies. They come up with a radar gun to catch you speeding, some other smart guy comes out with a radar detector. In the end, It's just a cat and mouse game.
when I first used adobe suite, it was when the model was pay for a cd and you got updates from adobe. then the model changed to pay to play but you dont own it. I used it for the first 10 years of my photography career but since moved away from it and saved myself the yearly fee. you cant use your old Adobe Lightroom classic with out having to install the adobe CC.
At the college where I work, we are moving from Media Composer to Adobe CC, no one is willing to listen to me about alternatives. We don't need it. We could learn to use (and teach) Fairlight for audio, and Resolve for video. And we wouldn't even need to buy it! I contacted Black Magic and asked about the legality of using the free version in our classes, and they were more than happy with us doing this. The free version would do 100% of what we teach, and each student could run it at home if they wanted to. Frustrating!
Software Licensing is the only way to ensure good products survive. A one-time fee always results in companies, spinning off updates as new products.. case in point: Microsoft Windows. That said: there should definitely be caps on monthly & annual licensing fees, bc companies always get greedy.
Microsoft Office uses same subscription model with Microsoft 365. I bought MS Office 2013 before the subscription model was initiated. I still get periodic updates to the Office 2013.
I have the same 2013 - but the online version of MS 365 overrides it - so it is "there" on my desktop but I would have to figure out if I shut off 365 how to establish it again.
I could buy MS Office 2021 and not worry about 365 at all. The home version. You have to find it on the MS website. The only catch the buying price is about the same as renting it for 3 years.
I agree with you 100%. I have old Adobe software that I use, plus some basic versions that came preinstalled. I use older versions of Word, PowerPoint and Outlook. I refuse to rent 365. All of our websites were built using software programs we bought (some of it quite old). We maintain the sites ourselves. I have a massive collection of DVDs, plus CDs and records for the same reason. When I buy something, I intend to own it. The latest generation appears to be moving away from this concept of property ownership. They are selling themselves into perpetual slavery and don't seem to know or care.
The connection to schools was a major strategy for Apple. There was a time they were in every school lab and almost nowhere else. I don't recall clearly but I want to say they gave or subsidized the labs. Businesses all used IBM then IBM compatible PCs.
Thanks, I've started to cut the cord in 2019 and full since 2021. Not even the "free" Acrobat reader. I'm a full time graphic designer, live from that and support my family (wife and 4 kids). It's possible, even in Québec, Canada. I do professional video editing, 3d product or packaging mockup, annual report, catalog, branding dev... Real commercial stuff. In 1996 I've been working un a service bureau for printers and graphic designer and we were Adobe service provider. Watch history, their main innovations was to buy competitors. And you touch the main point, It's the only option in schools. Remember supervising an intern and been answered "I did't learn that at school" My answer, WHAT! do you know Google. (He did't get the job). I want to retire one day and be able to continu graphics has hobby or helping friends.
Ive had a computer most of my life, starting way back in 1980, with the zx80, ive spent my life fixing photos, way before its mainly just the click of a button. I read about Adobe a very long time ago and kept well away, so its something ive never missed, from what I am hearing ive been lucky to stay well away, they play a dirty game from what I have seen.
I saw this video late and missed the kickstarter window for abode. I would definitely buy/support abode if it is a comparable product. I don't see a way to buy currently though.
Upon doing some research on abode... It seems like people are generally unhappy with the lack of development and transparency. Just leaving this comment here for people wondering. It seems Affinity is generally well received and has a lot of the same functionality as an alternative.
The ideal scenario would be for them to adhere to the open-source software (OSS) movement, thus avoiding any potential legal complications down the line ... (and to destroy Adobe for good).
A lot of apps are going to the “rental” model. Even in the field of engineering. It sucks. I like the software. Let me buy, and promote the software I use. If I buy it, I will use it. If I have to rent it, I won’t. Currently looking into Affinity’s software now that the software I currently use has shifted to the “rental” model, so I can keep costs down.
Great video, and a sad commentary on the criminal justice system in the USA. It's good to see that you were able to prevail in your legal battle. I'm glad to say that here in Canada we don't have that problem of frivolous law suits. Also, I will NEVER pay a subscription fee for any software. My photo editors are PaintShop Pro and Luminar AI which I own in perpetuity.
These people need to clarify something. A lot on here feel that they own the software now that they've gone away from PS/Adobe and moved to Affinity. Nope. Affinity still owns the program you just bought. You just bought a license. A license that they can technically cancel when they want. Read your EULAs.
I have no Adobe products other than their free PDF reader, but regarding Abode, I don't understand how any company can charge a one-time fee for software and then provide lifetime updates for free (unless I'm misunderstanding what they mean by that). I DO understand how a company could and should charge a one-time fee for a version, and then a discounted upgrade price for newer versions (e.g. Abode v1 is $150 and they continue supporting it, but when a newer, better v2 comes out, the v1 customer gets it for a cheaper upgrade price. IF they want it.) Otherwise, wouldn't any company eventually begin losing revenue once the market is saturated?
Last night I stayed up till midnight trying to get Adobe media encoder to work. 😊 Woke up 2 hours late for my full-time job. Adobe has me pulling my hair out...
@@jcristina I am a photographer and videographer who uses a combination of after effects Photoshop Lightroom and Premiere Pro. Sometimes using Adobe Express. I have been gifted a copy of capture One but never started using it.
It is also sad to see other software vendors doing the same thing. I continue to use the LR/PS subscription, mainly for PS. I have been using Capture One as an alternative to LR, but now that they switched to the subscription model as well, I am probably going to end up with LR as my main photo editing/organization software. For $10 a month, it is cheap enough to stay with, but I get what you are saying.
Today's topic is the Adobe alternative Kickstarter called Abode "A New Home For Your Creativity". We look at the possible legal implication of such parody in inspiration, branding, and product titling: Abode ONdesign, illustrateIT, photoPOP, and Impress.
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Abode is REALLY POKING AT THE BEAR, WAVING A RED FLAG AT THE BULL and saying come and get me...
Besides the Abode logo looking like the Adobe logo. Abode is the same spelling as Adobe, that is if your were to trade places with the b and d. One does not need to be a legal scholar to know that Abode will be served with a huge copyright civil suit.
I'm entertained from Abode for their ballsy behavior in the face of an international corporate giant. However, I for one would not be buying their product. Unfortunately this will be a short lived product before Adobe forces Abode to close down. This is a crazy fight that Abode can't win.
How about Abide? I know, it’s not the same. And then I suppose the Big Lebowski suits would be after you next.
I am an Adobe user of 34 years standing, absolutely hate the company, and hate the software since subscription, however for the first few years my subscriptions were covered by my old agency, I have written complaints and highlighted the fact that they are steadily killing the functionality by making key features "predictive" to align with the kind of idiot apps available for phones and pads, for example, since the bounding box was introduced in Illustrator, I lose hours attempting a simple moves and instead watching the object spin around or stretch rather than simply reposition as my action would suggest, actions i had been practicing for 20+ years at the time (one of my outbursts led to my patronising twat of a studio head informing me a bad workman blames his tools, a somewhat offensive remark given that i handled most of his more sophisticated image work and vector stuff, also having been the only member of staff that has judged D&AD and have numerous awards for my work), I now refuse most work unless the client accepts the vast majority will be hand done.
The recent decision not to allow "type1" font's has totally destroyed my font library, collected over 30+ years, while the extra charge for pantone can be dismissed by just making your own colours, removing my ability to use font's i had licences for is nothing but a strong arm tactic, and much like you, I will not acquiesce. I do have the problem that most of my remaining clients are only familiar with adobe, but they have accepted my refusal and allow me to work my way. I am using the Affinity range, which is great but a learning curve regarding the methods to perform tasks that have been branded into my reflexes by time.
Even had an "issue" i posted on their community boards "settled" by one of Adobe's own staff, who wrote a patronising reply and then made it impossible for any more comments to be added as my "statement" had garnered quite a bit of support and agreement.
Adobe are software mafia, monopolising the design tool market much like Quark attempted in the early days, hopefully adobe will end up on the same pages of the design history books.
@@billfranz1724 The Dude Abides.
How about *_Rightroom_* photo editing software?
I have a 13 year old laptop that still has CS5 installed. I baby it along refusing to switch to the creative cloud. It pisses me off that I bought the suite back in 2011 and Adobe no longer allows me to register the software I bought and payed for to another a computer. This is theft.
Consider saving InDesign to IDMK markup and look at affinity serif publisher 2. They open IDMK files (have a 6 months free trial now) and are as good or better than InDesign (buy the license once like Adobe used to be). We have CS6 but will move to affinity once CS6 stops working.
Create a system image of the hard drive. That way you can just deploy it in a VM and use it forever :)
Argh maty! Sail the high free seas!
Arrrrr me mateys?
@@OhhhhhhhBugger The inference is PIRACY. An eye for an eye, n'est pas? Stealing from the thieves.
If I cannot own it , I do not buy it, period.
facts
How about videogames?
That would pretty much be ANY software. Perpetual or not. you never own software.
@@maxx.mazzeovideo games aren't forcing you to give them your work to create ai.
100% agreed, especially with what happens nowadays and how they seem to expect you to pay forever.
Free speech against corrupt companies. Super job.
This “renting in perpetuity” model is something society really needs to wake up to and fight.
The WEF talks about it as the way of the future.
Their stated goal is by 2030 for us to “Own nothing and be happy”.
Not just software. They are talking about automobiles to clothing to homes. Creating a permanent serf class.
Facts!
How can you own nothing and be happy? That’s gay as fuck 😅
At least in the United States there is no homeownership. You must continue to pay rent to the king.
@@basspig oof
it needs to be outlawed.
The sheer greed of these corporations is frightening, and they need to be brought to book. Well done for your efforts and commitment!
I ditched Adobe and switched to Affinity when Adobe went to subscription. I think your Cutting the Cord series gave me the the little push I needed (so many thanks!). No regrets at all.
Thank you so much for that. So glad the Life After Adobe series was helpful. Many blessings.
right behind you, officially done with them.
Only to see Affinity now went the same way after them being taken over by Canva.
@@gameon2000 how so ? What do you mean, the same way ?
@@nlight8769 They will be subscription based before too long. That's why they're offering the 6 month trial. Unusually long, and probably long enough to get people "locked" into the system where they will migrate to the paid plans. Skylum sort of did the same thing, in a way.
pay the "adobe mafia" so you can keep your own work, they don't mind. "you will own nothing & be happy" - WEF
$50-60 per month is crazy. They have become way too greedy.
I'm really happy to see somebody bucking the system. Why a new artist, photographer, or content creator would sign onto Adobe CC at age 18 in college and then pay a monthly fee FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES is criminally insane. The industry needs to stand up and say LOUDLY we hire people who know software other than Adobe.
Unless that person was making a profit, then it does make sense. People need to take the opprtunity cost into account too, or if it's a business, it's a cost of doing business. And frankly $10 a month for say 10 years is about what they are currently paying for phones which if you think about it, you really can only use for a reasonable period of time (maybe 5 years) before it becomes obsolete.
@@HR-wd6cw Who is they and what example of 10bucks for 10 years are you talking about? I do not do that.
Everyone is gonna have monthly fee! Now you would have to pay many half a dozen streaming services that amount of money to be able to watch everything you would be interested in. Where does it stop?
Somewhere it has to stop! Adobe was a quasi monopolist working for the shareholders, not for their customers.
Kudos to you for your perseverance in fighting a corporate bully.
Not easy and lost at least a year or two on my lifespan due to stress I’m sure.
@@jcristina No doubt. While this corporate bully has deep pockets, they also don't generally go after the average joe for no reason. I guess you can take some consolation knowing that your IP is that good.
I used to be involved in software creation. It is unsustainable to sell a lifetime license for a product that will require maintenance for bug fixes and to support new hardware & OS's and new features to keep on top of the competition. Once such a company has flooded the market, its income will dry up and they won't be able to afford the programmers to fix bugs and support new hardware/OS. Then users will complain "what the hell! I bought this 8 years ago and now it doesn't work with Windows 15. It's a rip off!" Before Adobe (and others) got greedy, the successful sales model was a perpetual license and an annual support fee which guaranteed access to new versions as they are developed.
No question, this is true. Anyway. It's right now simply too much.
underrated comment.
Davinci resolve is still alive.
@@SunriseRCAviator They are a hardware company. They use their (excellent) software to sell their hardware.
FL Studio says hello
Good for sticking up for your rights. It's amazing how civil lawsuits favor the folks with the money.
wait he makes enough on youtube to pay 55 million dollars? they lied to me that youtube pays nothing unless you have millions of subscribers and views omg!!!
It was not easy and certainly took years off my life but was worth it for my legacy.
@@raven4k998 might need to watch again. 😂
@@jcristina no I saw it and was joking silly🤣
How much would you have had to pay to settle?
Also, I've been paying extra on my kid's college fees for Adobe licenses for Premier. I'm teaching her to use Da Vinci Resolve, GIMP and Inkscape now before she graduates.
Sad that you have to do so. The colleges should take up the task of teaching alternatives.
@@jcristina oh and yeah, apparently the college has a " creative collaboration" with Adobe. I see "business deal". I should have seen that a mile away.
There was an Adobe Acrobat Pro ad before this video. 😂😂😂
Affinity Suite since 2020 and couldn't be happier. RIP Adobe. 😂
I remember the old days when photography was photography.
Now photography is digital photo editing. Those were the days when you could get pissed off at an art director, throw a Nikon camera at a brick wall, after he ducked, and the 135 mm lens still worked.
It’s like making an artist rent the brushes and oils they use to make their artwork it’s disgusting and makes zero sense 🙄
The difference being that paint and brushes are expendable and need to constantly be replaced, provided a consistent revenue stream for the manufacturer. Software is different since the user can buy one version of an app and use it for years until they decide that the new features in the latest version make an upgrade worthwhile. I hate subscriptions too and I avoid them like the plague, but I do understand why they are a much more sensible and sustainable business model for developers.
But paint brushes and paint are consumable. You want to talk about consumables.. .let's talk printer ink. That's a real scam and I'd say a bigger theft than what Adobe is doing. At least you're getting $10 worth (maybe more) of value per month for most people with the tools.
Thank you!
This is the same analogy I've had over the years and don't forget they are now using the same artist/ their consumer's work to train A.I that may replace the artists in the future.
Wow!
If you take care of your painting supplies they can last a lot more than you think. I have brushes that are 20 years old and are perfect. Once you buy all you need you don't really buy new stuff often. I go to buy paint once a year. I buy mostly paper. And my paper is cheaper than the electricity my computer needs to run photoshop.
As long as we keep electing lawyers nothing is going to change when it comes to the legal process. The ratio of lawyers to citizens is too high in the US as compared to other civilized countries.
Agree
The problem isn’t lawyers. It’s the system. It does not penalise the loser of a lawsuit and the lawyers involved. In most countries the loser pay the court fees. This stops frivolous lawsuits and whittles down the number of cases. Big cases get taken on when there’s a good chance of success. This removes the number of lawyers in the system and the cost of lawsuits. Thsi needs to happen in the USA.
@@pentachronic It happened to me my own lawyer sold me out to the opposing party so he could make the case x times more complicated for more attorney's fee. Sadly there's no way to prevent such shady business practice. Their income comes from your problems, so if they don't intensify the conflicts they don't make money.
@@fkdump 100% agree. I’m sorry you got involved with lawyers !!
I know a recent student who cut the adobe cord after college (which required it). I also remember when you could buy Adobe without the perpetual rent model. I prefer the buy model, not rent.
I with you on this. I used to pay for the "photography" bundle from Adobe, but dropped it a few years back. I now use several other products in place if it. Looking forward to Abode if they make it!
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As someone who subbed to this channel because of the cutting the cord series I'm seriously hopeful for this suite. I have been using a couple of Affinity products, but a while back they introduced the 2.0 versions that had nothing to do with the version I was using. The whole time I was using it I had to deal with problematic and obtuse functions that weren't as useful as a 20 year old Adobe program, so I waited hoping that they'd fix a laundry list of concerns users were posting in the forums. That solution appeared to be dump the current program and ask people to buy another one. While not as serious, Clipstudio seemed to do the _exact_ same thing. Thankfully, I can still photo edit, digitally paint, & draw just fine with their original tool without need for their new upgrades (assuming the old tools continue to function). For my purposes, Affinity's "Indesign clone" still works just fine in fact it's nearly identical to Indesign as far as laying out a book. I suppose I could probably use Scribus if I needed to, go back to Inkscape and hope it eventually runs as smoothly as a 20 year old Illustrator, or I could just wait for yet another free application to come along, but I _paid_ for Affinity's products in the hopes that they'd eventually meet or exceed a level of professional quality without having to nickel and dime me like Adobe. I still use DaVinci Resolve for video editing, but it's growing too robust for my modest old computer, where I fear that if I update to the latest free version I might lose functionality.
I agree that "Abode" will see some legal action. Their logos are certainly parody, but the social commentary part of their tools creation will suffer from the obvious intent to spit in Adobe's eye. Change the logos to be less obvious. Make software that works well, even similar to adobe products, but don't use their UI colors, and please don't make obtuse changes like Affinity made to Designer that make it less intuitive or hide new functions behind a 2.0 release. You can make clones that don't get screwed by huge corporations. I've been using the free Libre Office as my word processor for almost a decade, does everything Microsoft Word does just fine, I don't see MS running to shut them down. As more companies fall into the mindset that people have unlimited funds to rent everything from art software to games, we need more people who just want to sell us a good usable product.
I couldn’t agree more. I understand that companies need to make money and that is the reason they are in business. But the likes of Adobe and many others simply are evil IMHO.
I feel your pain bro. We need laws against all these annoying corporate spаmmers, racketeers and extortionists. Why isn't it illegal already?
Facts!!
because US senators are corrupt and taking bribes from big business. Foreign governments are all corrupt and ONLY serving big business and the wealthy. This will not change unless we force change. A global revolution is nearing and we will need to forcibly overthrow governments. En masse.
Unfortunately, Laws are worthless in a lawless society, perhaps the better option might be to stop giving money to these companies that hate us. vote with your FIAT money that they also own. money=DEBT
It's not illegal because those same corporations pay a portion of their illicit gains to the lawmakers, A.K.A politicians.
May I introduce you to lobbying, also known as a legal way to bribe politicians, at least if you're wealthy enough.
@@rikuleinonen Which is illegal regardless of how you want to call it.
United States also has one problem that a lot of other countries don't allow is that you have to pay for your own attorney unless there's a specific law that says they have to reimburse you for that. A lot of these frivolous lawsuits would go away if they have to pay when they lose your attorney fees. Court cost. Anything else associated with their trial? Their so if they bring a suit against you and lose then they have to pay for all of that. I'm glad you won
I love Affinity and refuse to rent Adobe ever again. Thanks much
Likewise.
The problem is that the snowball already started rolling down the hill. If no one bought these monthly subscriptions in the first place, companies would have stopped trying.
But enough people bought the subscriptions and now they are making money hand over fist. Consumers are just as complicit.
Yeah. Like nobody likes micro transactions, but almost everybody buys it.
JC what you said about the court system is 100% true! Sorry you had to through this.
you should make a virus that corrupts adobes pay to own systems making it free to use for anyone let loss the viruses of war!!!
Dropped Adobe due to license model. Still haven’t found a solution I really like for catalog management, but I dropped Lightroom anyway
"...lease or rental model, it is disgusting". Oh man! How I agree with you on this. I am not a pro so, a monthly subscription to use an editing software makes no sense to me at all. In fact, I hate it. Car manufacturers are about to do the same thing with owners who want to use their A/C, heated seats, etc. To me, this business model is so @#$% up. I can only hope customers will rebel.
Absolutely. Facts!
For stuff like editing software, *absolutely.*
There is literally no cost to letting your users have the same, unchanging software on their computers.
They just want to sit down and buy yachts while watching stock go up and putting no effort in.
They are leeches and nothing more.
Except that even with Affinity, it's still a lease. You DON'T OWN THE SOFTWARE. IT'S A LICENSE.
@@HR-wd6cw my honest guess is that within the next 5-10 years Affinity will go public and switch to a subscription model. I'd love to be proven wrong, though.
They're garnering the people's trust and expanding their market share. Same thing Adobe did all those years ago. The conditions are there, it's all up to the CEO/board of the company to decide if and when to do it.
I have been an Adobe user since I was in college starting in 2006. I Hated. it when they went to the subscription model. I was more of an advanced hobbyist, and creative director for my church. I just assumed it was what you needed to do. I threatened after years to leave Adobe, and the immediately offered me $39.99 a month to stay, but after watching your video, I got to thinking again..."am I just a serf?" That is how it feels...
I'm paying cca 30€ / month for a school licence. I wanted the school to acquire Adobe licence too, but It was/is too expensive. As you can imagine, it is not cheap for me neither, but that's my problem. What bothers me, is that they just don't stop squeezing you. Not the money - the dark patterns they are using, to hide all that squeezing. All that, that people are exposing in the comments and reviews... It shows a different agenda then we are led to believe.
I paid my way out of a photo subscription from Adobe. It’s crazy! Will never have anything with that company ever again. I will run the opposite direction of any Adobe commercial.
God bless anyone who makes a viable alternative to PS. The subscription model is a precursor to the abolition of private property. It must be stopped now.
Agree.
People really don't understand how software licenses work apparently.
Few points to make. There's a big flaw to this thinking... you never "owned" Adobe software or any other commercial software. You licensed the software - essentially leased it. The EULA states this, and explains that at any time it can be end of lifed (all these EULA's essentially say the software sucks, will break, and die and they are not responsible). I own a small motion design studio which uses the majority of Adobe's products to get our work done. Prior to Creative Cloud my only option was to buy the Master Collection. For 10 licenses I was paying about $12k/year... even though it was not a yearly subscription I had to keep my files in sync with my clients and they would always upgrade. When they switched to Creative Cloud it dropped my price to about $9k. So for me, CC was a more cost effective solution. I also have a side-hustle selling the tools we develop at the studio which we launched as one-time purchases. Sales spike on launch, then plateau and finally sink after all the core customers own it. The tools are very valuable to the user, and I'm sure we could have done a subscription and had seen at least 50% of users renew. Instead over time it becomes costly to maintain software without new revenue so we have stopped selling them. Of course Adobe is on a different level, but it's still the best model for software products and not changing. Finally, considering my time developing my internal software, working at software companies early in my career, and beta testing a ton of commercial apps, I have seen first hand how much time it takes to build quality products. There is so much core technology shared by Adobe's apps. Color science, type engines, color pickers, UI frameworks, etc. Open source or system calls can not compete. It would take these jokers years to get a type tool that works as well as Adobe's.... it took After Effects 10 years to do pair kerning ;-). And finally, Abode is not parody. He's got both copyright and trademark issues even before they get into the IP issues. This guy is in serious trouble.
I agree there will be litigation. Also, I personally like the purchase once and then force the provider to convince me to purchase and upgrade. Hence forced innovation compared to iteration. Just my thought from a consumer perspective.
@mattsilverman256 - Come on, Matt; you know what users mean when they say they "own" the software. It's not a game of semantics. In this context, "own" means that the user can continue to use it on the platform on which it is installed as long as the hardware and OS remain viable and operational, without having to pay recurring tribute for the "privilege" of using the software.
I have no objection to paying for software updates, but if I have an application running in a stable work environment, that is essentially a set of tools that I use to produce my work product. When I buy a set of socket wrenches or any other tools, I do so because I don't want to rent them. Tools wear out, or better technology becomes available. If replacing my existing tools will make me more productive, I usually make that investment.
I'm not opposed to providing continuing market support to companies who make valuable tools. But in my view, Adobe's policies are abusive and have resulted in an erosion of customer good will. I don't deny that they have the right to charge whatever they want for their software. But I also have the right to withhold my support of what I believe to be an unconscionable betrayal of good will and trust, as seen in their recent attempt to commandeer the intellectual property of Creative Cloud users via an exploitive TOS agreement.
Any way you cut it, that's theft, and it's outright disrespect of the property of their customers. That speaks volumes about Adobe's true intent. I do not trust people who demand that I respect them more than they respect me, and that goes for companies like Adobe.
That's just semantics. Whether it's a lifetime license or ownership doesn't matter, except legally.
I won't argue that they can't do what they did. Because they already went and did it for the money.
But what I can argue is that their motives behind what they did were disingenuous and greedy.
So shut up, shill. We all know what the point of the complaints are. I don't *care* if the law says it's "fine" to do.
Right On Joseph! I gladly pay a one time life time license to OWN my software. Great video 👍😎
Thank you Glen.
Great video man. As a long time Open Office user I totally agree with you on this.
Wow, you have my full respect now!! I didn't know this. I made my move off of Microsoft as a former MCSE in 2006 starting with Ubuntu on a Desktop at this time and have never regretted it.
It also corresponds more with a freedom and love based mindset than with a fear and control based one.
I embrace the Open Source Communities of this World!
I really like this guy. True patriot!
😂 thanks for being here my friend. Have a blessed weekend.
Adobe git me completely out of photography. I bought every extension then they locked me out of what I bought. I shoot jpeg now. Minimal adjustments. Retired
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You Da Man. I've been in 2 law suits. The public has no clue. Motion upon motion to break the bank and get you to quit. Most people don't stand a chance, especially if your lawyers are playing the Stall-Delay motion game. I 've know a guy who had to fight for ten years or more. The only way he won was to become his own lawyer.
So sad my friend how thing have gone in this great country.
Although I’m only a small user of Adobe products, it’s lease-to-use model bothers me from the start. The whole idea that I’ve to pay even after retirement to be able to make small adjustments to MY creative ideas is driving me nuts. So although being a rough road ahead, I’m switching to alternatives as well. Won’t be easy and it won’t be finished soon, but we will get there :) Thanks for the inspiration!
I think rental model is necessary because there is a team actively maintaining and updating it. But it only works if it does significantly lower the initial purchase. For example some software costs over a thousand dollars to buy, and you pay for subsequent updates, making it impossible for many to obtain in the first place. But these days you can start at a much lower fee in a rental model. Next point being the monthly/annual fee needs to be low enough for the model to work.
For example I don’t mind paying $10 to $50 a year to rent a really good app that I use everyday, and because there is no initial investment, I can quit/switch software any time I don’t want to use it anymore.
Problem with adobe is it being extremely expensive, and it made me feel that I should have owned something with the amount that I’m paying. But of course we’re just paying them so they can go around and sue us back lol that’s a no for me. Seriously the only reason I haven’t given them any money is the fact that I cannot afford it 😂
I've not used Adobe since they went to the subscription model. There's always a workable alternative.
yes
what are you using
Ahoy matey
Glad that found your channel, great videos, you' re very helpful for designers and everybody with common sense. Keep posting. And Abode suite is cherry on top :)
Life After Adobe Cutting The Cord.
MAN with steel balls, respect my friend
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I am glad that someone is standing up to these greedy giant corporation. 👍
Thank you for your hardwork! Glad to hear you won!
I havent used a single adobe product in well over a decade. Resolve + Krita have served all my needs, and there is plenty of software out there for the few things those 2 programs dont.
Great point
I feel you bro, and to be honest, the only way to stop them, is to everybody stop buying their products.
We need more companies like Abode, to provide a true COMPETITION, and therefore, choice, for consumers, to products like - Adobe.
They went radio silent on their Kickstarter campaign and have been having order fulfillment issues while launching a ton of new products. I was wondering if they were finally getting sued and trying not to sink… I think your right on point.
You’re awesome, informative and useful. Thank you!
You are so welcome! Thanks for being here.
You've got balls mate, i'm glad you did'nt back down from these tyrants
You should do a refresher course on cutting the cord. 4 years ago I watched some of the best "programming" on UA-cam.
As a proponent of Open Source I cannot believe how willing people are to be forced into a subscription service and pay to own nothing, with the belief that there are no other "alternatives".
BTW, Anish Kapoor can no longer claim "the blackest black" there is now another black that is even "blacker" and absorbs even more light😂
I’ve started using Luminar Neo & Final Cut for my photo/video stuffs. Really liking them both so far.
Really interesting. Still looking for a real PS alternative for complex graphic design and not just photo editing.
I’ve seen these “leaving Adobe” thumbnails for the last few weeks, but only clicked on a few today. We’ll be leaving Adobe very soon as well. Thank you for the info
Congrats!!!!
Left Adobe years ago. Now use Affinity, Capture One, and Final Cut for all my editing
There are already apps that compete with Adobe: Gimp, Krita, Inkscape, the list continues
Wow, what a story that was!! I've used Adobe from first they came out until they started on "borrowed" software situation. I only used for tiny multimedia edits when my graphic artist was not available and those softwares were paid by the company so I never had to pay for them for myself but I know they're pricy. I definitely did not like the fact that their software was located in cloud base.
Thank you for that! Glad you’re here.
"You'll own nothing and be happy."
Riiiiiight.
Eat the bugs.
Despite every photographer on the internet spruiking adobe products I chose affinity because it's a one off payment and it's memory requirements were modest. As an amateur photographer it does way more than I would ever use. The astrophotography stacking replaced two other programs I had been using.
Smart.
I have paid way too much over the years. I recently signed up for a trial for their stock photo cause I needed one photo, then of course I forgot to cancel, which is why they give a free trial cause they are counting on people to forget, then I tried to cancel and they said the contract says I have to pay over $100 dollars, maybe even over 150 to cancel the year long contract I "agreed" to. I was soooo pissed. I told them I would be suing them and they finally dropped me with no charge. Unreal. They have way to much power.
I actually backed the Kickstarter on this. *thumbs up*
EDIT: I'm also an Affinity owner (am using it for my own personal stuff) but still have an Adobe sub (for the time being) for work. Deffo looking forward to the point where I'm to the point I can chuck Adobe.
SIDE NOTE: video gaming is going the same direction with Live Service games, subscriptions, and microtransactions. There's a building backlash against the game publishers' overmonetization there as well.
I helped my wife with a lawsuit pro se. We fuled tons of motions until the other side couldn't afford their lawyer anymore. If you can write motions and answer them yourself and then hire a lawyer at the very end you will save a ton of money.
Absolutely. Problem is Intellectual Property law is a bit deep.
I have been buying Adobe products, first product I purchased was Photoshop 6.0. This was back in 2003. I can't remember the exact amount of money it cost, but it was several hundred dollars and for me, just starting my business that year, it was a LOT of money. When they went to the subscription model, it really pissed me off. However, here I am today, still paying. I do also have the Affinity products which were so affordable. I guess if I were the owner of Adobe and I could get people to pay the subscription while I raked in the money, I would and if most people were honest, they would say they would as well. But when you are the customer and you are basically forced to pay for it or not have it, or not have the most up to date version, then you just keep on keeping on. I've thought about getting rid of it now that I have the Affinity products but I'm kind of like I've had it so long and it's comfortable? Who knows why I punish myself! lol I never heard of you before JCristina, but you showed up on my YT home page, so I was curious about someone being sued for that huge amount of money. I like your style. Now, this video right here is the only one I've ever seen so you may be just the type of person I would get along with, however, I may see another video of yours and you piss me off, who knows? LOL
Somebody should organize a class action lawsuit against Adobe.
Good luck to Abode, it will be interesting to see if it is as good if not better than any other of the Adobe alternatives.
I’ll be reporting back.
I really wish the various FOSS design projects would collaborate on a cohesive cross compatible suite
When I was younger, I played a futuristic game, the game story is, that I was hired by a corporation to fight other corporations. The most powerful entities in this game are corporations, not nations or governments. I just forgot the name of the game.
I use Abode in school but I going to switch to Affinity after finishing my studies considering I can't afford this application with my current financial state. Getting a degree alone is already pricey.
Many many years ago I used a piece of software called System Mechanic to keep my PC clean and maintained. It was a one time purchase with free regular updates. After several years of use they went to the subscription model. No more updates. I don't lease cars and I always hated paying rent on an apartment. I most certainly was not going to lease software. Particularly software that I had already fully paid for. I found alternatives.
If I recall correctly, Microsoft Office used to cost about $400, but now it is subscription based. I use to use it at work, but never purchased it for home use. Instead, I use Libre Office. I'm sure you're aware of it. 100% free community-driven and developed open source software, but it's only available on the desktop and doesn't have all the capabilities of Microsoft Office. The products offer different features, but whereas Office has Word and Excel Libre Office has Writer and Calc. Admittedly, Microsoft Office is a superior product so if you're a hard core user then it's probably the way to go, but if you are just a casual user like me then typing up some documents and creating spread sheets then Libre Office more than fits the bill.
”if you're a creative today, you have to use Adobe." Whoever said that isn't very creative. 😂
Sadly. Most corporations and colleges. 😔
ouch, you're right.
All the more reason to abandon Adobe.I remember when you launched your series against Adobe.I had just dumped them.Great work as usual.
I always used Paint Shop Pro before I switched to open source. Never really needed Adobe with my limited creativity. Just a note that Abode is likely to be deemed to similar to Adobe by a court. This happened to Lindows when Microsoft sued them and they became Linspire and eventually faded into obscurity.
Sad. But true. Money wins lawsuits. Not right or wrong.
Still have CS6 Master Collection. Not using it, because I retired Windows four years ago in favour of fedora KDE Plasma Wayland. It's running on my ASUS EP 121 Wacom Tablet from 2012 !!! like charm. Using Krita, Inkscape, Scribus, Fontforge, darktable and RawTherapee, seldom Gimp, Blender, FreeCAD, for small animations Pencil2D. Will use DaVinci Resolve on a PC Station with my 22" XP-Pen monitor that I've built an adjustable stand for, really fancy looking in metal and bamboo. For smaller projects Kdenlive is best. Illustrator still has some advantages in retro engineering certain corporate pdf templates and acrobat XPro and InDesign still has some advantages against Scribus when it comes to preflight in print production, but there are, less convenient, workarounds. For sound and music there's Audacity, Ardour and LMMS.
I am currently stuck paying Adobe until my contract is up because it is cheaper than buying it out. It is sad because I am not a professional. I was just a long-time Adobe user who went to Creative Cloud at one point, and then eventually switched to alternative tools. If I could get out now, I would...because I do not even use the software at all now.
Sadly. That’s why they are getting sued by the DOJ. They make it so difficult to get out of these contracts.
Even IF the actual word "Adobe" was being used as part of another company name or product, rather than a completely DIFFERENT word such as your case, Adobe CANNOT copyright it, because it's a "common name" already in existence such as "Adobe Houses". The word "Adobe" is used in other respects, thus by law they can't claim copyright over it being used in other contexts. The ONLY claim to copyright they have is just the single word itself by itself. They legally can't claim copyright in any other usage.
Thank you!
@@jcristina ... Of course, that's if we had rational courts anymore. You can't trust the Law anymore, certain parties are abusing it and have bad ideas.
For years a lot of people have become Pirates and don't pay squat for software, music, nor movies. They come up with a radar gun to catch you speeding, some other smart guy comes out with a radar detector. In the end, It's just a cat and mouse game.
I agree and we must bring back and enforce antitrust laws.
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Us people from developing countries don't have to worry about that.
There are other worries as we all have them at birth. 😉
when I first used adobe suite, it was when the model was pay for a cd and you got updates from adobe. then the model changed to pay to play but you dont own it. I used it for the first 10 years of my photography career but since moved away from it and saved myself the yearly fee. you cant use your old Adobe Lightroom classic with out having to install the adobe CC.
And that should be illegal because you purchased it at the time and did not rent or lease it.
Affinity 2 has been AWESOME - finally conquered the batch processing after recording an edit macro - works flawlessly!!
Interested, YES.
Using Adobe, minimal, using others. Last Adobe bundle was long before subscription was forced on us. From memory ver 6.
Yep. I remember that version.
At the college where I work, we are moving from Media Composer to Adobe CC, no one is willing to listen to me about alternatives. We don't need it. We could learn to use (and teach) Fairlight for audio, and Resolve for video. And we wouldn't even need to buy it! I contacted Black Magic and asked about the legality of using the free version in our classes, and they were more than happy with us doing this. The free version would do 100% of what we teach, and each student could run it at home if they wanted to. Frustrating!
Absolutely. This is typical to the colleges. Sadly.
Parody movies and songs are pretty much all commercial products.
Software Licensing is the only way to ensure good products survive.
A one-time fee always results in companies, spinning off updates as new products.. case in point: Microsoft Windows.
That said: there should definitely be caps on monthly & annual licensing fees, bc companies always get greedy.
Microsoft Office uses same subscription model with Microsoft 365. I bought MS Office 2013 before the subscription model was initiated. I still get periodic updates to the Office 2013.
I have the same 2013 - but the online version of MS 365 overrides it - so it is "there" on my desktop but I would have to figure out if I shut off 365 how to establish it again.
I could buy MS Office 2021 and not worry about 365 at all. The home version. You have to find it on the MS website. The only catch the buying price is about the same as renting it for 3 years.
I agree with you 100%. I have old Adobe software that I use, plus some basic versions that came preinstalled. I use older versions of Word, PowerPoint and Outlook. I refuse to rent 365. All of our websites were built using software programs we bought (some of it quite old). We maintain the sites ourselves. I have a massive collection of DVDs, plus CDs and records for the same reason. When I buy something, I intend to own it. The latest generation appears to be moving away from this concept of property ownership. They are selling themselves into perpetual slavery and don't seem to know or care.
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The connection to schools was a major strategy for Apple. There was a time they were in every school lab and almost nowhere else. I don't recall clearly but I want to say they gave or subsidized the labs. Businesses all used IBM then IBM compatible PCs.
100%
Thanks, I've started to cut the cord in 2019 and full since 2021. Not even the "free" Acrobat reader. I'm a full time graphic designer, live from that and support my family (wife and 4 kids). It's possible, even in Québec, Canada. I do professional video editing, 3d product or packaging mockup, annual report, catalog, branding dev... Real commercial stuff. In 1996 I've been working un a service bureau for printers and graphic designer and we were Adobe service provider. Watch history, their main innovations was to buy competitors. And you touch the main point, It's the only option in schools. Remember supervising an intern and been answered "I did't learn that at school" My answer, WHAT! do you know Google. (He did't get the job). I want to retire one day and be able to continu graphics has hobby or helping friends.
Thank you! F### Adobe
Ive had a computer most of my life, starting way back in 1980, with the zx80, ive spent my life fixing photos, way before its mainly just the click of a button. I read about Adobe a very long time ago and kept well away, so its something ive never missed, from what I am hearing ive been lucky to stay well away, they play a dirty game from what I have seen.
Yeah, that's why I switched to Linux about 10 years ago.
Sweet!!!!!
I saw this video late and missed the kickstarter window for abode. I would definitely buy/support abode if it is a comparable product. I don't see a way to buy currently though.
I’ll be watching.
Upon doing some research on abode... It seems like people are generally unhappy with the lack of development and transparency. Just leaving this comment here for people wondering. It seems Affinity is generally well received and has a lot of the same functionality as an alternative.
The ideal scenario would be for them to adhere to the open-source software (OSS) movement, thus avoiding any potential legal complications down the line ... (and to destroy Adobe for good).
A lot of apps are going to the “rental” model. Even in the field of engineering. It sucks. I like the software. Let me buy, and promote the software I use. If I buy it, I will use it. If I have to rent it, I won’t. Currently looking into Affinity’s software now that the software I currently use has shifted to the “rental” model, so I can keep costs down.
Great video, and a sad commentary on the criminal justice system in the USA. It's good to see that you were able to prevail in your legal battle.
I'm glad to say that here in Canada we don't have that problem of frivolous law suits. Also, I will NEVER pay a subscription fee for any software. My photo editors are PaintShop Pro and Luminar AI which I own in perpetuity.
These people need to clarify something. A lot on here feel that they own the software now that they've gone away from PS/Adobe and moved to Affinity. Nope. Affinity still owns the program you just bought. You just bought a license. A license that they can technically cancel when they want. Read your EULAs.
I have no Adobe products other than their free PDF reader, but regarding Abode, I don't understand how any company can charge a one-time fee for software and then provide lifetime updates for free (unless I'm misunderstanding what they mean by that). I DO understand how a company could and should charge a one-time fee for a version, and then a discounted upgrade price for newer versions (e.g. Abode v1 is $150 and they continue supporting it, but when a newer, better v2 comes out, the v1 customer gets it for a cheaper upgrade price. IF they want it.) Otherwise, wouldn't any company eventually begin losing revenue once the market is saturated?
Last night I stayed up till midnight trying to get Adobe media encoder to work. 😊 Woke up 2 hours late for my full-time job. Adobe has me pulling my hair out...
Horrible!!!!! Could you use ffmpeg for you task?
@@jcristina I am a photographer and videographer who uses a combination of after effects Photoshop Lightroom and Premiere Pro. Sometimes using Adobe Express. I have been gifted a copy of capture One but never started using it.
It is also sad to see other software vendors doing the same thing. I continue to use the LR/PS subscription, mainly for PS. I have been using Capture One as an alternative to LR, but now that they switched to the subscription model as well, I am probably going to end up with LR as my main photo editing/organization software. For $10 a month, it is cheap enough to stay with, but I get what you are saying.