21 - Rail Car Inspection
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- Опубліковано 12 тра 2021
- EDIT-- at 13:44 I misidentify a retaining valve by calling it a bypass valve. It is in fact a Retaining Valve. Thank you to the commenters who pointed this out.
Here I go over the first initial ground level car inspection. I am looking for obvious issues to make sure the car is safe to offload and the reship when empty.
This guy is the definition of "not my job"
Seems like he just changes signs takes pictures and pokes and hits everything with his stick
As a railfan who has filmed and photographed trains for nearly 40 years, I found your video extremely interesting. Not often do we get such an indepth look at a common freight car from a professional in the industry. Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Just picked up a gig for a company that does the maintenance on cars, it's been really cool learning all the in depth details of the cars. I grit blast the interior and exterior of the tank as well as painting and putting the decals, and also reline the interiors. Definitely cool to see what a step up in the process looks like
I’m going to call this “the cover my ass tour “
I enjoyed hearing your thought process and seeing some hobo art
Thank you. Some of the hobo art is very creative.
Propane and propane accessories...
"the truck could have a whole chunk missing. maybe wheel taken off or the cupplers borken off. i'll just make a picture and send it to the railraod"
Thanks for the vital information in this video.
You bet!
This show is well-recorded, well-documented and educational for all railfans and railroad buffs. Your narrations were a little tough, but firm and very informative. I saved this show for more viewing pleasure.
Thank you
@@mypropaneinsights6074 You are welcome. Thank you for tapping or typing to me.
The valve by the triple vakve is the retainer valve.
there have not been triple valves on the railroad for decades...control valves are what they are called.
Also check the bolts and cotter pins on brake rigging is important.
Thank you for sharing.
I love this when he was talking about a bomb...."You can shoot it, kick it "
Hahaha...funny one
Great video. Maybe include the defect card holder on the side of the car as part of the items you look during your ground inspection. Thanks.
Thank you for mentioning the card holder. I did not mention it as in my area it is never used, everyone prefers/insists in using email to notify of any and all defects. I have come across inspection sheets from a couple different refineries, and as part of their pre-fill checklist they do mention checking the defect card holder. Thanks again for bringing it up, someone in a different locale that uses this to communicate issues would benefit from this.
I literally want to jump into this video and walk with him to help him out with a lot of things. If I was a casual fan it would be a great video, but as a Union Pacific Carman who has inspected and repaired cars for 15 years, it was tough to watch.
I bet it was. I'm curious about what was wrong as a railfan.
I have a feeling it will be quite a list.
Please make your own video, to follow up. There’s nothing wrong with constructive criticism. I don’t know anything about the rail road, but I thought the video was informative and appreciate him making it.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s I’d love to. Unfortunately we are not allowed to use cell phones at all while on duty. Only during break in a designated break area.
@@stealthfighter2923 you must use a north or helmet cam, a drone, or set up a tripod, or do a voice over one of his videos.
@@user-ln7of9gs4s they’d fire my butt if I tried any of that.
This guy is awesome!!
Thank you.
Old man like his stick poking and hitting everything
At 13:44 you describe the valve as a by pass, it is a retaining valve. The normal position is down, verticle.
Thank you for the correction.
All the components have names, with lots having wear limit markings. Should have looked behind the coupler to check the draft gear etc, centre plate, side bearings. There are gauges to use for checking wheels in the yard he could use also.
Really he is just making sure the car is carded right.
True. Working for ttx we have to know all of them from air parts to truck parts.
3-4 inch lettering is an issue but a flat spotted while is not...wow.
What type of train whistle is sounding off in the background?
Hank Hill being Caey Jones?
Super great video! I learned a lot. Thank you.
Thanks, glad to hear it was helpful.
I see some shelling on two of the wheels on two tanker car's
Great job !! .....All those Placards, if easily readable & recognizable looked good to me regardless of some nuisance Boss color fade......Did you get the new TPS report "Cover Sheet" memo by the way ?? ..... "That would be Great" !!!
Ah, movie references. Thanks
Thank you! Thank you for this video!
Glad it was helpful!
Good
That’s a striker casting- the head plate is part of the tank.
Thank you for sharing.
Awesome information. Thank you for the video!
Glad it was helpful!
That crossover step is condemnable.
I hate doing crossovers 😭
Is the placard removed when the car is empty? I see tons of cars going by with no placard.
Only cars carrying hazardous materials are required to be placarded. Empty hazmat cars are still considered "Residue" cars and have to stay placarded. Only when a hazmat car is empty and purged of all traces of its former contents is it no longer placarded. Most tank cars are built to handle a variety of commodities and are built with placard holders straight from the factory since it is cheaper to do so in the beginning and no one knows what the car will carry in its life span. In my area I see a lot of food grade oils, syrups, etc. along with Ag supplies roll by with no needed placards, just a commodity/shipping name. Hope this helps, thanks.
When the plastic plaques melt off in a fire it will not matter in a crash if they are slightly faded.
The faded car numbers aren't stenciled they are painted that's why, I work for one of the repair shops. See both all the time.
Thanks for sharing.
@@mypropaneinsights6074 Honestly thank you for sharing! I always wondered what happened to these cars after i parted them, ( i put the Prv, vrv, Bov, thermowell, sample line, ect an all the gaskets back on an pressure test before release. Its neat to see what happens after they leave and i enjoy watching the videos.
@@deamonfox4298 Glad to hear that you enjoy these videos, makes my day.
Imagine,..... Job security by a stack of plastic Placards !!!
where are the frames of those tanker cars? i see only the tanks and bogies but where is the frame?!
The design of these cars utilizes the actual pressure vessel (shell) as the frame. At each end is a bolster assembly that is welded onto the pressure vessel called a Stub Sill, which sits on top of the truck assemblies. So there is no end to end external frame. From what I have read from AAR literature this arrangement has improved car service life and safety. An image search for rail car stub sill should provide you with some good pics. Hope this helps, thanks.
Is this UP (union pacific) or BNSF line?
Norfolk Southern
@@mypropaneinsights6074 ah! Y’all the east coast version of BN/UP
your inspection here is about the same as what a condr would do when performing a brake test
Bullshit. I'm not looking for all that crap when performing an air test. I would be out there all f-ing day. Hell carmen ain't doing this intensive of a car inspection. Also that he pointed out as a "bypass" is not a bypass. It is a retaining valve. And the way he's hanging out between those cars is making my skin crawl. If you don't have a need to be in between those cars WTF? Especially with the handbrakes off.
@@cmoney220 i hired on with the chicago and northwestern in 93... back then a brake test was just that, a brake test... but a few years after the UP took over they changed it all, made us look at pretty much all the stuff this guy is looking at, even had us look at a video about the "new" brake test... the video went so far as to say we should spend at least ONE MINUTE PER CAR... i was like REALLY!?!?!... the "new" things they wanted us to look at are things the carman should be looking for... my opinion it was an attempt to put more responsibility and blame on the crew should something go wrong
I was gonna say, I hope he's not in the way of an oncoming train! Lol Because I heard a train whistle in the background!
Yes, even when you expect it that horn can make you jump.
What is the location of this R.R. siding?
What is the location of this railroad siding?
@@saulduran6567 Indiana
Whereabouts in Indiana?
He's just doing a basic look-see. He's not a Carman!
Thanks for sharing. I never once claimed to be a car-man. I am not aware of any FRA or AAR publication that states that only a car-man can do the 49CFR required field inspection. If you know of any please send a link.
I've been over 35 years in the trade, I understand what you are doing is a basic look see, I'm guessing so that the cars leave in the same condition as they arrived . You can't have too many eye on these things particularly placarded tank cars. Keep up the work, you may save someone's life! @@mypropaneinsights6074
Yeesh! A lot of know-it-alls in this comment section. Guy is just explaining his procedure for an on-site car inspection as it pertains to him and his propane business. When I worked at a wastewater plant we did similar inspections for the tank cars carrying ferric. We weren’t going to fix any of the issues but it’s basic CYA so we weren’t held accountable for any those issues.
Thank you for sharing.
some of us are actual real-life railroad mechanical guys for over 30 years..lol not your average know-it-alls. there is so much wrong info in this video that its painful.
Thanks for sharing. The inspections I do, though they may be imperfect to some, do follow the requirements of 49CFR and all FRA publications I have come across. This particular video has been reviewed by more than one FRA official, and they have all agreed that it is a good and accurate inspection. Sorry to hear that viewing this was "painful" for you. I am not so proud that I can't be taught something new/better, so if you can reply back with some official FRA or AAR publication(s) that would show me where I have erred, please do. In all sincerity I desire to improve my practices. A video from yourself, or someone you know to be accurate, clarifying industry best practices would be even better. My industry can only be bettered by hearing from more people that are willing to share what works. Thanks
I thought your video was very good some people in the comments are saying you did it incorrectly but to me it looks like you looked at things very well in a basic inspection.
Thank you. What might be missed by some is that this is an initial ground inspection only. It is like if you get a delivery from UPS and you inspect it for damage before signing. I am not looking for perfection, just the obvious to prove the car is safe to offload and then reship.
I never heard of companies that get delivery from railroads want rail cars inspected before it's offloaded what company are you working for that wants this done?
@@nightrider6769 I address one reason why we do this in the comment above. A second reason for inspecting cars upon arrival is that we have to comply with security issues as given out by DHS and FRA. Once a car has been dropped off we are held accountable for it and responsible for damages. It is kind of like renting a car and not bothering to fully inspect it before driving off with it, no one wants to be liable for per-existing problems. Thanks
Hitting those springs with hammers or anything isn't very smart.
What causes inclusions anybody out there know???
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I don't remember exactly where in this video, but he does discuss this. I thought this was a very good video. Hope this helps and hope I copied this link correctly.
That guy seems to be an old grouch
Please look at the AAR field manual rule 41 before not condemning wheels like that.
Thank you for the comment. The manual you mentioned is primarily for shop use, though its value goes beyond just that, covers in detail how to measure wear on different aspects of wheels. That is not what I do for a visual inspection, I look for the obvious defects and report any findings to those who will do a more thorough evaluation. This approach has been confirmed to me by the FRA Mechanical Inspector that works my area and my usual FRA Inspector. Thank you again for mentioning this manual, if anyone is interested AAR sells this for $162.
If the shelling is deeper than 1/8 and/or larger than 1" in diameter with no islands.
@@patterguitsit7124 you’re confusing two different codes.
@@patterguitsit7124
Shelled treading (wm75) has no condemnable depth criteria.
@@jaysrailroadcorner5403 True, Shell 1" or more in diameter. No islands. My mistake
Would make my day to talk to an engineer but they don't wave from the trains anymore, not like they did back in 1954.
Of course they do, happens to me all the time.
Sure hope so and not for the cellphones.
Why are you, as the rail car customer, responsible for inspecting, reporting, repairing cars? Shouldn't the railroad be doing this? Is the railroad or rail car owner paying for your time?
In short, I am responsible for inspecting these cars because my company ordered them in to deliver propane, and because the government oversight agencies require me to do so. Irrespective of what condition they are in upon arrival, they have to be "road worthy" when leaving my facility. I fix what few things I can, and notify the appropriate people to about the rest. I also coordinate mobile repair units to come on-site or send cars to shop if needed. The initial upfront costs for these actions are borne by my company, only later do suppliers and sales get involved to back charge these costs to say, the car owner, a refinery, or maybe the another party that they can contractually seek reimbursement from. The railroad will fix, at zero cost to me, anything that has to do with the running, moving parts of a car. Axles, brakes, springs, air lines, etc. While I do not get paid, directly, for any repair work, the biggest benefit to my company lies in regularly finding, documenting and reporting issues as quickly as possible. Doing so protects us from false allegations of damage or neglect, and shows a clear track record of doing things as correctly as possible. In a finger pointing blame game of he said, she said, the one with the best evidence usually wins. This has saved my company tens of thousands of dollars in fines and penalties.
I started this reply with "In short", and turned it into "too long", my apologies. Thanks for sharing.
@mypropaneinsights6074 Thanks for the detailed and thoughtful response. It must be frustrating to have this added burden and responsibility. Is this arrangement because you're dealing with a hazardous material? Would a terminal that offloads say corn syrup have the same responsibilities?
@@johnperrotto64 You are correct that hazmat cars are held to a higher standard. As I understand it, the car in your scenario would require less scrutiny. A shorter visual inspection of the car itself and then, after unloading it, another inspection to make sure it was "safe to travel". Making sure that whatever you opened was properly closed and that no corn syrup was either dripping out or was splashed onto the car. If so a quick rinse with a hose should clean it up.
Thank you for reaching out.
any industry had better have someone looking the cars over. they could be held responsible for damage on the cars, if they accepted it when they were dropped off, its theirs!
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To bad we inspect 200 cars a day and get 2 mins a car and not 30 mins lol
Time is a luxury that I have as most of my cars stay on site for a few days before shipping out. Thanks for sharing.
Get a job grandpa.
This guy literally doesn’t understand what he is talking about lol
Hopefully he’s got blue flag protection and no one is working that train especially if your gonna lean against the knuckles like that. Dude only has a very limited knowledge of what is actually going on with rail cars
Railcar or not if I owned it I wouldn't want someone beating on it with a steel pipe
I agree. If you are referring to the pipe I used to point to things, it is a piece of plastic conduit.
Grow a pair. If only you knew the abuse these things take
Do you think you’re being a little ridiculous? I do.
No different than truck drivers hitting the tires to check pressure.