To understand more on the great tribulation in Matthew 24, see www.equip.org/articles/apocalypse-when/ and www.equip.org/article/left-behind-from-root-to-ripened-fruit/
Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 discuss the 6th Seal of Revelation, but NOT the 7th Seal. Prove me wrong! I think we need to DITCH the term, "GREAT TRIBULATION", because we all go through the 6th Seal, BUT NOT THE 7TH.
Dec 5th, 1995 was the day I got saved, almost 26 years ago now. The biggest mistake I made as a new believer, was to listen to ministry and teachings of the word of God.From people like Hank, reading commentaries, teachings from the Church fellowship I went to and so on. My error was this, I failed to search the scriptures for myself to see if what I was being taught was true. I was led away by many false teachings. I ignorantly trusted what I was being taught. My advice to new believers and old alike is this, be a Berean. A believer has the gift of the Holy Spirit to teach them. We have the promise that if we abide in Jesus, we will be a desciple, which is a student, one who is taught. John 15:7-8 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. ----------- I am not saying not to listen to or read teachings and such, just to be diligent, and study the word of God for the truth.
And an even purer motive for Bible study is to get to know Him and His heart of love for you. As your understanding of His love for you grows, your heart will open towards Him, more and more and will find ourselves trusting Him more and submitting more and more of our lives under His Lordship. That takes Bible study to a much higher realm than just the acquisition of knowledge. But that is a starting place that can/will evolve into something much, much more!
Thanks for the advice I've listened to Revelation 120 times The only Christians that get raptured Are the Christians that overcome the Mark of the beast
All answers are found in the Bible . Before I read my Bible, I pray and ask God to give me wisdom to understand what I read. Because I don’t always understand His word and when u go to different pastors and Bible teachers for the answers, you will get various answers . So ask God, if you are abiding in Jesus and truly delight in Him, He will give u your hearts desires .
“Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the falling away comes first and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction,” 2 Thessalonians 2:3
I just discovered that my thoughts on this verse had been completely wrong. Was a post trib guy, but now am a pre trib guy. The term falling away is the word apostasia. This same word is used in acts 21:21 for forsaken. Now look at what is right after forsaken, what is it? Moses is after it. What is after the words falling away? First is the word right. Yet how many believe this is a falling away of the church from christ even though christ nor the church is even mentioned in this verse. Now the word apostasia has another meaning departure or depart from. Now go back and re read Acts 21:21 and 2 Thessalonians 2:3 with depart from and departure in mind. And there you go, it was right in front of us all along, yet we believed other things over this. Another example is in Luke 21:32-36. Why would jesus say escape these things if we are to go through them? I know some would point me to matthew 24:15-31 and say well jesus says that after tribulation is when his elect are gathered. Who are the elect in this? They are the 144000 who are sealed by the angel in Rev 7. Jesus is referring here, Matthew 24:30-31, to his return to earth not the rapture of the church, which comes before as we meet him in the clouds, 1 Thessalonians 4:17, and not when he returns to earth, Rev 19:11-16 and Zechariah 14:1-4. The elect, Rev 7, who are on the earth at that time will then be gathered to him. While the great tribulation is taking place we, the church, will be in heaven at the marriage supper of the lamb, Rev 19:1-10. So the church will be taken up before the great tribulation and will return after with christ.
@@mahoneychris17 That is a really interesting observation. Another key word is “Tribulation”, THLIPSIS in Greek, which can also be translated affliction, anguish, pressure and PERSECUTION. It is the cause for seed sown on stony soil to wither. Many will fall away because of “the great persecution” Jesus foretold in Matthew 24. If we weren’t so caught up on equating “the tribulation” to Daniel’s 70th week and Jacob’s trouble and trying to make sense of the sequence of the end time events, we could recognize that the church will be, as she has always been, persecuted by the world as Jesus had taught the disciples. IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE PERSECUTION OF THOSE DAYS, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS’ LIGHT… the 5th seal in Revelation reveals persecution, the 6th seal reveals signs in the sun, moon and the stars that precede His coming and our gathering to Him then the 7th seal opens the scroll, the trumpets begin God’s wrath that concludes with the pouring out of the bowls. The elect will be caught up on The Day of The Lord before Judgement the same way God shut Noah in the ark the day the flood began and the same way Lot was taken out of Sodom by the angels the day fire rained down. If we read The Bible in context along with related passages and wait on The Holy Spirit to guide us, we will know the truth and not be in darkness. We all need to be ready with “loins girded” ready to stand when we face persecution.
@@Joel-dl1mx yes but the church has always faced persecution. In fact all but one of the apostles was martyred for the faith, which to them is that not great persecution/tribulation to those? What about those today who are dying for the faith are they not facing this persecution and tribulation of which you speak? The issue is when we look in luke jesus states that he provides the church an escape from those times that have yet to pass 21:36, he is speaking of the end times so why would he say be worthy of the escape if he intends us to go through it and not escape it?
@@mahoneychris17 I agree with you about past and present persecution of the church. My opinion is that Jesus was speaking about the period of God’s wrath (the seven trumpets and seven bowls that are revealed by the unsealing of the scroll) as in the days of Noah and Lot, that the church is not appointed to. Revelation 7:9-14 identifies an enumerable group before the throne and the Lamb from every nation, tribe and tongue praising God for their salvation. The angel tells John that they are those coming out of THLIPSIS MEGA that can be rendered “great persecution” as described by the opening of the 5th seal in Rev 6:9-11. Jesus said, “Immediately after the THLIPSIS of those days, the sun would be darkened, the moon would not give its’ light…” which is described in Rev 6:12 the 6th seal. In my opinion, there is perfect alignment between Jesus’ Olivet Discourse, Jesus’ Revelation given to John and Paul’s teaching to the Thessalonians.
PRE-TRIB RAPTURE is the most Unbiblical and the most Problematic Doctrine/Teaching of Rapture than the Mid Trib, Pre-Wrath, and Post Trib Rapture Doctrines/teachings... as I studied them all.
We should all be preparing for the 7 year tribulation. The Antichrist, willie reveled, as a hologram in the sky. As if he was Jesus. That is apparently what NASA and the government have been planning since 1983. Also the pre Rapture theory, is a false doctrine. I've talked to everyone I know, and showed them scripture, and proof. You can look it up, youtube it, research yourselves people. What we were taught, was false and made up in the 1800's. A lady had a dream, but even before that, someone else made that theory up. And here everyone is waiting to be Raptured up, they need to be preparing their minds, and life right with God now. It's almost too late. We're not even in that last hour anymore. We're in the final minutes... Get your supplies right, stock up on everything. The government had the capability, of projecting a false Jesus in the sky, to look like the dead will rise ect. Its "project blue beam" 2 men wrote a book on it, they both died. One of the man's daughters were kidnapped. Isn't it odd, both men who wrote that book, describing everything that will happen, with the false Messiah. How else will the Antichrist fool anyone or everyone. Especially if Jesus supposedly raptured everyone up. Does not make a lick of sense, does it. Do the research yourself people. And ask your pastors and preacher's to research, when was the rapture theory made up. Yes, there will be a rapture or we meet Jesus in the clouds, when he comes back, if we survive the 7 year tribulation. If we don't, we will be part of the dead who rise. Those who are here for the 7year tribulation, will wish they were dead. Cause they will be tourchered, and made to bow down to the false Messiah, the Antichrist. Well, look for his revealing. Because to many people are finding out about what I said,but no one knows about it, unless you read that book The blue beam project, and you definitely have to have read and studied the bible, for yourself, not just what you heard from pastors or ministers and preachers or priests. Do your own bible studies and research. God will make us All, fishers of men. It is up to everyone, who believes in him, to preach to everyone, and try and save as many people as we can. Don't leave it up to the church. Heck, some states, like California, we we're not able to go to church. Now we're starting to go back. I hope people read what I said, and do thier own research. Start your own bible studies. The government, military, FEMA camps, Yeah, we will eventually all have to take this vaccine, that supposed to track us for 2 years. And they are rushing everyone to get it, by May 1st, and July 4th. Why, think about it. Also, the Rfid microchip, is here. Everyone like the younger generation Millenials, will think it is so cool, to have a chip in the hand. To pay for everything. Not knowing, that is the mark of the beast, the man who invented it, became a preacher. His story is on UA-cam. He passed away not too long ago. Anyhow, I hope someone, even it just one person, reads what i have wrote, and does their research. It is so Interesting. There is no pre tribulation rapture. And I will challenge that theory, with scripture, and proof, if anyone is willing to learn the truth. Also, only certain Christians believe in that theory. No one else on the planet does. That would be waiting on "The easy way out, to escape the tribulation ", and that is sad, because we who are all alive right now, are gonna find out everything, eventually everyone will know, that was a sadly mistaken false doctrine, to be teaching everyone. We should have been waiting for the evil false Messiah/Antichrist instead. And how to deal with that aspect of the story. We will all have to choose to die for christ, and our salvation. The government has purchased 30,000 guillotines, in 2013, and is storing them in Georgia and Montana, why is that? That is not a conspiracy theory either. So we should all be prepared for what is really going on. If we survive, when Jesus comes back, we will be raptured up, after all that evil stuff happens, but sadly he won't be coming before that. It does not tell us that in the bible. Do not take scripture and change or misinterpret it. God bless everyone!
This will answer the question. Did Noe enter the ark the day of the flood, or before the day of the flood? The selfsame day Noe entered the ark. If Noe entered the ark seven days prior as people teach, then the world stopped drinking, eating, marrying, and taken wives etc for seven days.
What matters today is only to know and love Jesus; so your last breath here on earth is greeted by your first breath in heaven and the outstretched arms of Jesus.
Whether you are a pre or post trib believer, the most important thing is to be ready/prepared the moment it comes. You must be prepared always to die for your faith. The bible, I believe, did not give specific time of the rapture. Get excited to meet Jesus our King.
That's the problem, if your mindset is to be gone as soon as the trouble starts, your heart will not be committed for the long run, til the end, and they will fall away and be lost.
It states Jesus' return as "labor pains". Matt. 24 gives the signs leading up to His return. Just as a lady begins contractions, we know delivery is emminant, likewis Christ return. the exact "literal" day or hour is not know but the season is definately described, and we go thru the tribulation.
@@melbrew7 if u look at Matthew 24 as u read it Jesus is asked what will be the sign of his coming, he begins to tell the signs of the beginning of the great tribulation period in verse 15. but the actual sign of his coming is given in verse 30. But by the time the verse 30 sign is given the seven year period is over. Verse 29 events happen immediately after the tribulation of those days. What was the tribulation of those days? Verse 21 identifies "the tribulation of those days" As the time of great tribulation, which is the last three and a half years of the seven year period. So by the time the sign of his coming is given in verse 30-31 the seven year period is over, so there will be no pre trib, or mid trib rapture of the church we going through. If u want to see the full layout of Revelation, and see all the things we are not being told I have 5 videos on UA-cam under the title. Pt1 the pre wrath rapture and the third coming of Jesus. To find the next video just type in what part your looking for like pt2 pt3 ECT and then type in the rest of the title. U can understand what very few people in the world understand about Revelation.
@@melbrew7 Yep, we will go through the tribulation; and there are so many examples in the bible of times where God miraculously kept people safe, or provided for them to fulfill his will and purpose. God is fully capable of providing for his own, and keeping us safe during the tribulation, if that is his will and purpose. Some will be called to be a part of the living remnant. Some will be called to be a martyr for their faith. That last bit, that is what most professing Christians today absolutely refuse to believe! That many believe that all Christians will be "raptured" out of here before this time of great testing and trouble happens is going to lead many of them astray when the time comes! Interesting that in the three gospels that tell the story of Christ's return, Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13 - In all three it starts the same way, with Jesus telling the disciples "Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many." It's like he knew that this issue was going to be part of an end time deception. Also interesting that the story is repeated three times in the Gospels; look up all of the examples where two or three witnesses are needed for a matter to be established. Very interesting indeed.
@@Mike.D.843 THANK YOU for the information. I never knew the correlation between the three gospels, concerning "not being deceived". Jesus really loves His own. His sheep hear His voice and follow Him, a stranger will they not hear! Hallelujah 🖐️🖐️
Brothers and sisters be ye ready ,the church Will have to endure till the end THERE'S NOT PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE,it will happen in one single final day AFTER the tribulation ,again be ye ready
Brother roman you're so wrong! Jesus said that the day is coming when he'll take/rapture the righteous away before his wrath is poured out on the earth just as he did the day the flood came. Mathew 24. Luke 17. And it will all happen before the tribulation when the people will still be able to eat and drink, and do all the stuff the people did in the days leading up to the flood, which will be impossible to do after the tribulation.
@@garvinsmith4555 brother,the point is that pre-trib believers think that the wrath of God is the great TRIBULATION, and that's actually wrong,the great TRIBULATION is one thing and the wrath of God is the final destruction of all things
@@BlessedMe023 sister,of course not,the church is not appointed to God's wrath,the mistake pre-tribs make is that they believe the great TRIBULATION is the wrath of God and that's a wrong interpretation of the scriptures,the wrath of God is IMMEDIATELLY AFTER the TRIBULATION Mattew 24:29
I am with you and I believe Hank is as well. So what Hank said about the elect, (you and me) is correct. We will be with Christ as his chosen people. The Bible even talks about us helping him reign during the 1000 year period. The million dollar question to me, who are, where did they come from, the people we are going to care for during that time? Not Sure, Honest.
Mathew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Hi, all. My understanding is towards post tribulation rapture. The six seals of the book (Revelation) are the stages of the great tribulation. The sun being darkened and the moon refusing to shine/blood moon occur after the sixth seal has been opened. This ties Revelation 6 in with Matthew 24. Before the 7th seal is opened the 144000 of Israel are sealed on Earth. After this John sees a great multitude from all nations appear before the throne of God. One of the elders' tells him that they came out of great tribulation.
Absolutely - If you study the ancient Jewish wedding traditions (that's why Jesus said "I go to prepare a place for you" The Bride is different, unique and separate from others who are also elect. At the moment we are betrothed, and in Revelation 19 (as Jesus prepares for the 2nd Coming) we are called the Lamb's wife.
Mathew 24 is about what will happen to Israel in 70 A.D. and during the second half of the Tribulation. It's not about what will happen to the church. Notice all the specifically Jewish references ..."the abomination that causes desolation"..."the temple"..." the sabbath"..."the rooftops"..."the Judean wilderness"..."the elect"..."the fig tree". Although people do accept Jesus Christ during the Tribulation, there is no church present...the Bible says that they hear the gospel from an angel (Rev 14:6) .The Bible also says that they all pay with their lives and none of them live through the Tribulation.
@@markanthony3275 How are rooftops Jewish? I think you're a little too focused on the earthly Jews. Btw modern day Jews aren't the same people as ancient Israel. First, they're only even claiming to be Jew/Jude/Judah, not all Israel, and also they are heavily watered down and changed genetically. The modern day Jews are neither Abraham's spiritual children nor are they even national Israel from the Bible. They're just modern secular Jews. I would think about recalibrating your focus on them. God Bless Abraham's Children!!!!!! God save the Jews. May we all become as one flesh in Christ.
@@coryc1904 Oh I see...so God got it wrong when he said he would seal 12,000 from every tribe in Israel...(except Dan and Ephraim because they lead ancient Israel into idolatry after Judah and Benjamin went separate ways). Btw if you think that the Church has replaced Israel then you are indulging in heresy. The Bible clearly says in many places that God will use the Tribulation to refine his backslidden people Israel so that they "know him"...and in this process two thirds of them will die. But...you don't seem to have read the Bible...or if you have, you certainly don't believe it.
The church has suffered persecution since our Savior’s ascension. Considering the profound number of verses admonishing us to endure, why would the Lord begin selectively choosing who is (& isn’t) to endure in the generation of Christ’s return?
Hmmm.... this man gives practically no bible references to support his statements, so it's impossible for us to follow him checking his conclusions with the bible. So I would put this very low down on the list of helpful talks on the subject.
The Truth is MORE important than life. This man reveals himself from the second the video rolls. There are many wolves in sheep's clothing brothers and sisters.
Truth does matter. First off, the rapture is only for 144,000 people, so its almost not worth talking about, but for the sake of understanding, here is the truth. First is the tribulation, which includes the first and second woe. Then is the return of Jesus. When Jesus returns, 3 things happen: the resurrection of the dead in Christ, the rapture of the living 144,000, and then the Wrath of God (the 3rd woe). If you reject this, you will be cut off and cast into the fires. Remember, the truth matters, and now you know why. Repent if you haven't yet.
@@henrymiranda1440 backwards actually, and those that refuse to repent will be cut off. Now though, you cant use as a defense that nobody ever told you, and you can be held accountable for your arrogance.
@@henrymiranda1440 you didn't actually expect your arrogance to go unchecked did you? I mean, you knew you would have to repent of false doctrine, right?
@Sote Kapmini See this video on being saved > ua-cam.com/video/-TB_c9x8di4/v-deo.html The great tribulation that Jesus taught about came to pass within the lifetime, i.e., generation, of those who heard the Lord predict the coming great tribulation. See this article www.equip.org/articles/apocalypse-when/ Of course, after the great tribulation that came to pass, many, many sinners were saved, are being saved, and will be saved. All this will go on until Christ appears again to judge the living and the dead.
In the end part of Zechariah 14:5 the prophecy says the LORD shall return with all His saints, they gotta be raptured first for that to happen, for it to be (all) saints. Leans toward pre-trib.
Post-Trib! So I think the confusion comes with the following There is a difference between tribulation & wrath There is a difference between "The day of Christ" & "The day of the Lord" The day of Christ = The Rapture The day of the Lord = Jesus touches down and the 1000 years begin (After Tribulation) The key verse is 1 Thessalonians @-17, but we need to read at least the verses before and after this verse to help get the correct context of the verse. As you know, the bible explains itself Look what it says in (2 / 9) 2 = It says "Day of the Lord", not "Day of Christ" So it is referring to the rapture, but it is before the "Day of the Lord" as referred to in the below scripture So the rapture will be After tribulation (Based on the context of "Day of the Lord" ) but right before the wrath of God ( 9 - We are not appointed unto wrath, it does not say tribulation) 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words. 5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. 2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. 3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. 5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. 7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. 8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 Timothy @ KJV 12 Yea and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. This clearly says we will be persecuted, if we get raptured out, we will "avoid" this, hence contradicting scripture, which we know is not true! The bible does not lie! What makes us more special than Jesus himself? The apostles? What about all the Christians under Nero....? They all went threw tribulation...Paul was not raptured out, he was beheaded... The Christians who were burned alive under Nero, they weren't raptured out What makes us more special that we will avoid it? That to me is a form of "Pride", the downfall of Satan. We must be very careful about this... John @ KJV 33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. Matthew 24 KJV -The verse before 29, it talks about the tribulation period... The when verse 29 starts, it clearly says AFTER - Also, it contains trumpet & clouds, matching 1 Thessalonians @-17 - What did the angels tell the apostles when he went up that how will he come back? On a CLOUD - The four winds refers to North, East, Weast & South - From one end of heaven to the other (Earth/Sky is the first heaven, space is the second heaven & the third heaven is where the Throne is) - Based on scripture evidence This clearly refers to the rapture - Please don't be deceived and have an open heart and be cognizant and aware! Jesus said deception will be our biggest downfall 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other
These are your words ---> The day of Christ = The Rapture The day of the Lord = Jesus touches down and the 1000 years begin (After Tribulation) DECEPTION.
@@LastDaySaintJames-fe4if Irrespective of your response, I believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross and shed his blood for us, hence I am saved. Your comment is useless and does not change my salvation status
@@armandkruger911 You can say you are saved all you want. But unless you have the spirit of truth in you....you are just lip service. and by your comment, there is no truth in you.
@@LastDaySaintJames-fe4if God is truth, the Word is Truth. Believing in a specific event (Pre / Post-Trib) does not get you to heaven nor gives you salvation. Read your Bible and pray
@@armandkruger911 2 THES 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come. except there be a falling away first, and that man of sin revealed. When there is no pre-tribulation rapture will you be part of the falling away? Apostasia? Because you keep waiting for Jesus before the tribulation, will you take the mark of the beast?
To all the mid and post trib believers, how do you explain babies and children taking the mark if there’s no pre-trib rapture?? Please explain I’m all ears.
The pretribulation, midtribulation, and postribulation rapture views all presume the great tribulation spoken about by Jesus is still forthcoming, and that we who are living in the twenty-first century are closer to that period of unparalleled suffering than ever before. But, this presumes too much. Christ taught the great tribulation would occur within the lifetimes of His first century audience. The Lord even laments the dread that would come upon pregnant women and mothers nursing babes during the great tribulation (Matt. 24:19). No mention of a snatching away. Please see the following article… www.equip.org/articles/apocalypse-when/
Your reference to Matthew 26:14 presumes too much. Are you saying Jesus already reigned with his holy kingdom here on earth already? If what your insinuating is true then Satan would have already been cast down into the lake of fire. That contradicts your point of the world already enduring the great tribulation. Also, Israel has just became a nation for the first time. They didn’t have the technology to implement and “enforce” the beast system either.
I listened to the entire debate with Hank H. and Mark Hitchcock last week on the "Date of Revelation". Other than a few moments now/then, that's all I had heard from Hanegraaff up till then. While I totally disagree with the position he takes on end times, he's a GREAT debater! I u/stand that just a few years ago, he had joined the Eastern Orthodox Church which came as a surprise to me.
@@PoesieUndGlaube You mean the holy spirit? There is already a biblical word for that in the old testament. From my research, "Shekinah" is nowhere to be found other than in post New-Testament Rabbinical writings. Oddly enough, it's a feminine word.
You are right, this idiom emerged later. They excerpt it from places like 1Kings 6:13 the word for "dwelling among" and had all the images of the cloud and fire and pillar of smoke in mind. Why do you find the feminine odd? Jesus describes himself as a hen in Mt 23,37. And God describes himself as compassionate in Exodus 34,6, which has the same root with the word for a woman's womb, see isaiah 49,15.
@@PoesieUndGlaube Those are good analogies, and biblical ones, to boot! But they are symbolic, they do not describe God himself, his utter being - they describe his qualities. Here's a summary on the feminine aspect, just taken straight off of Wikipedia: "In the imagery of the Kabbalah the shekhinah is the most overtly female sefirah, the last of the ten sefirot referred to imaginatively as 'the daughter of God'. ... The harmonious relationship between the female shekhinah and the six sefirot which precede her causes the world itself to be sustained by the flow of divine energy. She is like the moon reflecting the divine light into the world"
I do not believe in pre trib, but this is Hank’s worst theological view. He skated most of the time around it, but never says he’s believes Christ came already, he would have to conclude that if he was going to call Matthew 24 a completely past event.
Sir gd am, please read carefully the gospel MATTHEW 24 whole chapter , understand it, that chapter support the RAPTURE and the SECOND COMING of the SON Of THE LIVING GOD, Thats two event so that believer will not be confuse. Amen.
If someone wrote a book on the end times about Matthew 24 and 2 Thess 2 and the book of Revelation in order for it to be correct in the future, what would be the correct study. The problem is the correct interpretation takes study. The following studies explain those passages of scripture. MATTHEW 24 Many people have the context of Matthew 24 wrong. Many people don't know what happened on that day. This is what happened: 1. Matthew 24 1-2 was asked about the 2nd temple. This was done in the day time in public. Luke 21 37. 2. At that time Jesus gave Luke 21. Luke 21 had some parts about 2000 years future also. 3. So after hearing Luke 21, Jesus and the disciples walked to the Mount of Olives. On the Mount of Olives at night time, the disciples asked Matthew 24 3 about the ending of Luke 21. 4. These is a gap in time between Matthew 24 1-2 and Matthew 24 3. That makes all the difference in the world. 5. Let me rephrase Matthew 24 3 so people can understand. When will these things you talked about in Luke 21 earlier this day occur? And what will be the sign of your coming in Luke 21 24-28 and Luke 21 29-36 be? 6. Jesus was talking about the ending of 2 different ages in the end times in Matthew 24. Matthew 24 4-31 is in Daniels 70th week. There is no rapture in the 2nd half with Matthew 24 15-31. And Matthew 24 32-51 is the Pretrib rapture and has warnings for believers in this generation. 2 THESS 2 Many people are not understanding 1 Thess 5. That passage only has 2 events unlike 2 Thess 2 which has events in between. 1 Thess 5 has the rapture since we are of the day. We are sober. We are not appointed to wrath. And 1 Thess 5 has the day of the Lord at the 6th seal that starts as birth pangs on the wicked. 1 Thess 5 does not have the apostasy that will start after the pretrib rapture and 1 Thess 5 does not have the man of sin revealed at the 5th seal. Let me rephrase 2 Thess 2 so people can understand: Thessalonians do not be alarmed with a letter saying the day of the Lord at at the 6th seal has already started. That day will not start until the apostasy in the first half starts and the man of sin is revealed at the 5th seal midtrib. Now you know what is holding our gathering and all this evil to come. You are holding all this evil back. You are righteous and of the day. You are restraining all this back. There is no rapture in the 2nd half of Daniels 70th week after the antichrist is revealed midtrib. THE BOOK OF REVELATION How could everyone's interpretation of the end times be wrong? Could the literal interpretation of just three verses in the bible prove everyone wrong. These are the verses: Zech 14 and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. 6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: 7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light. 8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. 9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one. In Rev 1:7 it says every eye will see Him referring to the 2nd coming. Meaning in Russia and America and Africa and China and Europe and every place on earth. This will be a supernatural event. Will that event literally happen at evening time in Israel? Are we limiting God with our understanding of Armageddon and battles? Can God gather armies supernaturally? Can God destroy all the wicked in the entire world in just one day? I have been saying on the very last day of Daniel's 70th week immediately after the tribulation, Zech 14:6-9 will literally be fulfilled. On that day many interpretations will be proven wrong. Zech 14 6-9 is the day in Matthew 24 29-31 and in the book of Revelation it is the day of the 7th trumpet and all 7 bowl judgments. In the book of Revelation that day is Rev 10 7 and Rev 11 15 and Rev 14 14 and Rev 19 11. With the pretrib rapture in the Fig Tree passages and the parable of the 10 virgins, what are the differences between that event and known passages of the 2nd coming? In the pretrib rapture, no man knows the day or the hour. No man knows the watch. No man will know if it will be in the evening time or the midnight watch or when the rooster crows or at dawn. These are the watches for the Feast of Trumpets. At the shout at midnight the righteous are taken and the unrighteous are left behind. The ones left behind later ask for the door to be opened for them also. There is no eternal judgment at the pretrib rapture. The ones left behind are only told to depart from the Lord. The bridegroom is going to the wedding. When He appears, we become like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. The separation does not mention what time of day it is. The judgment on that day is the ones left behind are with the hypocrites. On the day of the 2nd coming the day will be known. It will be the last day of Daniels 70th week. The watch will be evening time in Israel. Only the hour will not be known but it will be sudden. The correct translation is I am coming suddenly. On that day the wicked are taken and the righteous are gathered on earth. There is eternal judgment on that day. Many are told to depart into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels. The bridegroom is coming from the wedding. At His appearing the entire world mourns. The separation is in that night after the sun and moon are darkened. The judgment on that day is with unbelievers.
Mathew 24 is clearly the coming of the Lord for His elect. The same elect as Paul uses for the church, exact same word. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His[d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
@E RH Hello E, my new brother/sister in Christ! Yes I believe you are correct in thinking, seals then trumpets. You are not appointed to suffer Gods wrath, (7 bowls) and YES we will be here through the trumpets. Just remember that God will never leave you, never forsake you! And if you do get taken out somewhere along the way, just remember to be absent from the body is to be with Christ, (WINNING)! Smile. Just don't buy into a PRE-tribulation rapture! That was manufactured in 1830 by John Darby. It's my belief that once Jesus died, came back to life and ascended into heaven the tribulation began. After he conquered death, it started slow and easy and has been building up over time. That is why using a pregnant woman is a good example. Smile. With Love, Honest.
Truth does matter. First off, the rapture is only for 144,000 people, so its almost not worth talking about, but for the sake of understanding, here is the truth. First is the tribulation, which includes the first and second woe. Then is the return of Jesus. When Jesus returns, 3 things happen: the resurrection of the dead in Christ, the rapture of the living 144,000, and then the Wrath of God (the 3rd woe). If you reject this, you will be cut off and cast into the fires. Remember, the truth matters, and now you know why. Repent if you haven't yet.
Hank addresses the AD 70 dating of Revelation along with the rest of the NT in this article > www.equip.org/bible_answers/was-revelation-written-before-or-after-the-destruction-of-the-temple-in-ad-70-/ See also… Hank Hanegraaff, The Apocalypse Code: Find Out What the Bible Really Says About the End Times and Why it Matters Today > www.equip.org/product/the-apocalypse-code-paperback/ John A.T. Robinson Redating the New Testament > www.equip.org/product/redating-the-new-testament/
@@BibleAnswerMan ok, so he says that it is weird if you write a history book and fail to mention a significant event. Then he says that john couldnt have been after ad 70 because he doesnt mention ad 70. The argument is weirdly circular. Revelation is NOT a history book. It is a prophetic book. If it was written after ad 70, and is foretelling FUTURE events, it does not follow that he should mention past events.
So if there is no salvation after the second coming of Jesus, what's the point of sending the two witnesses for? What about Matthew 24:29-31, it says after the tribulation (post-trib), the angels shall gather the elect? Aren't those proof of post- trib rapture?
I would suggest that passage you talked about where you said that which now restrains is the Holy Spirit in the context of that passage the holy spirit is not mentioned so that's just injecting the Holy Spirit into that. Read Daniel chapter 1 where it says Michael stood up look in the Hebrew at what it means when it says he stood up
There is no rapture EVERYONE will have to endure the 7 year tribulation period until his second coming and then you’ll get to see it, if your even alive after all the natural disasters plague, famine, war, persecution, mark of the beast, and a cashless society
Please don’t imply that people who *have* read the entire Bible, but don’t remember everything they’ve read, of having never read the whole Bible. I’ve read through the whole Bible, but I don’t claim to be a Biblical expert because of that-not even close. ❤️ When it comes to Biblical prophecy, I honestly feel pretty lost. My pre-trib rapture viewpoint has been recently shaken. I’m trying to reevaluate, but it’s not easy. 🙂
The sacrifice of Christ benefits all truly repentant sinners who have sincere faith and trust in Christ, but this benefit is conferred as God automatically baptizes all true believers in the Holy Spirit, which places them "into" the Body of Christ (1Cor.12:13) --and that "Body" is the Church (Eph.--1:22--,23), with the result that all believers are "IN Christ" (2Cor.5:17). Being "in Christ" is the place of justification (Gal.--2:17--), redemption and forgiveness of sins (Eph.1:7). What's more, Paul teaches that a person who is in the body of Christ, has died to the requirements and condemnation of the OT law (Rom. 7:4,6) ---and thus, anyone who is not in the body of Christ remains condemned by the law (Rom.--2:12-- ; Gal.--3:10---11 ; Jas.--2:10--). There is no other place, than in Christ's body, for those spiritual transactions in the NT. It will only be people "in Christ" (and in his body), who have been crucified with him, who have died and been burried with him, and are made alive with him (read Rom.6:1-10). For anyone to be saved, God places Jews or Gentiles "in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross" (Eph.--2:16--)... and that one body of reconciliation is the Church (Eph.--1:22---23). There will never be any other way to justification, reconciliation to God, redemption, resurrection and eternal life, than by being "IN Christ," which is in his body --the Church-- ...and anything else is another way of salvation (and really, another gospel) than is found in the Bible. --It would take some major explaining to tell how a person could be "in Christ" but not in his body (the Church). If the tribulation saints are not in Christ's body, then how are they saved? --Consider especially verses like Romans 12:5, which says, "so in Christ we who are many form one body." Paul says explicitly there that being "in" Christ means being in his "body", and he uses those two ideas as being inseparable. ---Biblical Christianity can never advance any other way of justification and redemption, other than being "IN Christ." So, the pre-trib notion of a group of "tribulation saints" who are saved and redeemed during the tribulation, but yet are not part of the body of Christ (the Church), is actually a contradiction in terms, which rests on very shabby theology that undermines the biblical doctrine of salvation. ---The true situation during the tribulation will be: there will be Spirit-baptized saints who are "washed ...in the blood of the Lamb" (Rev.7:14), so, they are blood-bought and justified saints; they will be born-again Christians "who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus" (Rev.12:17), and who "remain faithful to Jesus" (Rev.14:12). --And very crucial for this discussion: note those saints who "die IN the Lord" during the Great Tribulation (see Rev.14:12-13 with 6:9-11) ...remembering from our previous discussion, that being "in the Lord," or "in Christ," is precisely the NT description of a believer who is part of the Church, the body of Christ! Thus, there is no possible way that these tribulation "saints" can not part of the Church. --They must be. The corporate body of Christ first came into being when believers were first baptized in the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost (Acts 1:5 & 2:1-4). Since then, every true believer is automatically placed into the body of Christ by the Baptism in the Holy Spirit (1Cor.12:13), so that all believers are "in Christ" (and this must --since the Acts 2 day of Pentecost-- include all Old Testament saints, as well as tribulation saints). Redemptive union with Christ, in his body (the Church), has always been God's plan for all believers of all ages. Paul says that Jesus is the Savior of "his body" (Eph.5:23), and it would take some major explaining to show that he is the Savior of anybody else. Anybody who is not part of the body of Christ, therefore, will not be saved. Jew or Gentile, there is no other provision in all of eternity for the salvation of sinners other than by being in the body of Christ. --So, unavoidably, since there are saved people on earth during the tribulation, the body of Christ, the Church, must be present on earth at that time. Since the "Church" is clearly on earth during the Tribulation, there is no reason to say that the Church is evacuated just before the Tribulation begins. Obviously, those who "die in the Lord" during the tribulation will be part of Christ's body, the Church, and they too (like all who are in Christ) will rise at the first resurrection and be raptured (1 Thess.4:16-18). Thus, the rapture must follow the tribulation, during which those tribulation saints "die IN the Lord."
I have that saved in my files on my computer, its simple, pre trib gives a separate gospel. There is no longer jew or gentile, those in rev 12 v 17 are part of the church, the church are in the one body of Christ. we are part of the two witnesses hence the two olive trees and lampstands that make the one body the church. God choose us to be part of that last generation, we will bring many to Christ in the last days.
@@issuesthatmatter2825 Thank you for all of this, but I don’t see being in Christ as an issue? Unbelievers will be saved during the tribulation and will then be in Christ. Perhaps you meant that the church needs to be here in order to share the gospel? That’s definitely a great point, but, there will also be lots of material left behind, and many unbelievers will have already been exposed to the gospel, so these people could definitely change their minds and then spread the gospel to others. That being said, I’m not convinced we’ll be raptured, and nobody can say for sure, as the Bible is not entirely clear about it, which is why there is so much controversy on this topic among biblical scholars. I actually think that the first seal has possibly been opened, so there goes a pre-tribulation rapture theory, Ha! However, it does seem to me that believers possibly get raptured after the fifth seal is opened, but not before experiencing great hardship. God bless everyone, and no matter what, endure until the end and stay faithful to Jesus, brothers and sisters! 🙏🏻 Hebrews 10:32-39. 6:1-2 🏵 1st Seal * WHITE Horse * The rider had a BOW (**no arrows) 🏹 **Bow is from the Greek word toxon, which the word toxin came from. Arrows were often poisoned, and bow also meant “poison.” This may represent the vaccine? * He was given a CROWN **Corona 🦠 means crown. 👑 Crown can also symbolize POLITICAL POWER. We don’t yet have a one world government, but there IS a great power “conquering” the world. 👑 🌎 * He went out “CONQUERING.” 6:3-4 🏵 2nd Seal * RED Horse (red for WARFARE and bloodshed?) 🩸 * He was given a great SWORD 🗡 * Takes away PEACE on earth. 🖤🌍 * PEOPLE will KILL each other. **This could refer to the people administering the vaccine (not that all are aware it’s harmful). Or, will the vaccinated become violent?-possibly due to the nanotechnology, graphene, spike proteins entering the brain, etc? 6:5-6 🏵 3rd Seal * BLACK Horse (represents FAMINE) * Had a pair of SCALES ⚖️ in his hand. **Scales could also mean “yoke” (a heavy burden). The yoke could be the vaccine passport? * A LOAF of wheat 🌾 bread 🍞 or 3 loaves of barley will cost a DAY’S PAY. * DO NOT HARM the OIL and WINE. 🍷 **Oil & wine may represent those filled with the Holy Spirit? 🕊 Oil fills the lamps 🪔(churches), and we are part of the vine 🍇 (where wine comes from)? 6:7-8 🏵 4th Seal * PALE (green) 🤢 horse. **May indicate plagues. * The rider was named DEATH, and HADES (**where the spirit goes upon death) followed with him. * They were given power over a FOURTH of the earth-to KILL with SWORD, 🗡 HUNGER, and by WILD ANIMALS. 🦁
@@PeaceIsYeshua Hi friend, so Jesus says in John 4 times He will raise ALL who belong to Him on the last day, all means all and last means last, this includes those in rev 12 v17. We the church are part of the two witnesses, hence the two lampstands and olive trees that form one body in Christ. Jesus doesnt come for His arms then yrs later His legs lol, He is clear He does it all at the same time on the last day. Another very interesting thing I have learned, the book of rev was not written normal, it was written in exploded view map style, seals, trumps, vials take place at the same time, the 7th is the last day which is the one day of Gods wrath, just as the 7th sounds, we meet Jesus in the clouds )not heaven because the dead raise until the heavens be of no more per Job), we then go with Jesus to Armageddon as His army.
@@PeaceIsYeshua have you heard of AOC network? that pastor does some real amazing work on his videos. Watch the two witnesses movie, part 1 and 2. He goes over all theories on the two witnesses and compares it to scripture from both old and new testament , scripture is very solid who the two witnesses are. exciting times we are in friend!
Glory to God for the story of Noah getting into the ark BEFORE the flood, not after. Just make sure you're in the True Ark, Jesus Christ/ Yeshua Ha'Mashiach. God has warned us it'll be fire next time.
Matthew 24:29-31 is Ressurection/Rapture/Parousia unto Eschaton here..its just that plain and simple and Jesus himself told us this! Why do we have so many disagreements here?
@MarkCurtis-eh3ue Well, if resurrection and rapture and parousia are simultaneous, good point, and Amen!!!. See www.equip.org/article/left-behind-from-root-to-ripened-fruit/
I beg you believer search the scripture, don't believe some preacher you like. The rapture and the second coming are the same thing.matthew 24:29-31, 1 thessalonians 4:13-17 , 2thessalonians 2, 1 Corinthians 15-50-52 revelation 7 . Please ask God for wisdom in faith believing
Pre-Trib Rapture Proof.... 1 Thes 5:9... 1 Thes 1:10... Mark 13:32... Rev 3:10... John 14:1-4 Mid-Tribers try to answer this one: See 1 Thes @ and Mark 13:32... Does the 'wrath to come' have anything to do with the 'hour of temptation' (testing) that will try them that dwell on earth?
@@dobysmith744 ..."Keep from" means keep from.... not keep 'through'..... believers have nothing more to prove to their Bridegroom and the Bride doesn't want to go thru the hell of the Tribulation for her honeymoon......
@@janechristian9130 Hi Jane. Shalom. Pre-Trib rapture is correct based on Jewish Marriage customs where the bride has to fulfil her week i.e. to consummate the marriage in the bridal chamber. Genesis 29:27. This represents the church being raptured to heaven to be judged for rewards according to our works while the trib. is taking place on earth to cleanse it from sin and made ready for our Lord Jesus to come and rule for 1000yres. with his church.before the 7 yr. Also in Revelation 6: 12-17 it says clearly that it is the wrath of Jesus . Do you think that Jesus will batter his bride before taking her to be with him? Also read Ephesians 5:25-33. it is about love in marriage union and not violence,This is a great mystery as it is about Christ and the church. Greater love hath no man than this, that Jesus laid down his life for us. You could view my messages on You Tube :: Scriptural Evidence For A Pre-tribulation Rapture and Jewish Marriage Customs Analogous To Jesus And The Church. Hope this would clear it up. Let's keep looking for our Saviour's glorious appearing when he will change our vile bodies and fashion it like unto his glorious body. Phillipians 3:20-21.God bless and take heed that no man dece
@@dobysmith744 Revelation 3:10 King James Version 10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 King James Version 9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
@@CoolMia-5772 keep is to continue in a course, not remove. Other scripture records THROUGH the temptations he [God] will provide a away of escape. Going through is not removing..
@@CoolMia-5772 provide a scripture where wrath is used interchangeably to define tribulation. The day of the Lord is wrath and anger Isiaiah 13:9. Tribulation is defined as sorrows, persecutions, trouble ,affliction etc
@@dobysmith744 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition. 4 Which is an adversary, and exalteth himself against all that is called God, or that is worshipped: so that he doth sit as God in the Temple of God, showing himself I’m not talking about your daily trials and tribulations. I’m talking about THE GREAT TRIBULATION. Give me one verse that says saints of God will be going through THE TIME OF JACOB’S TROUBLE (ISRAEL) as believers of Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour.
Matthew 24:29-31 [29]Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: [30]And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [31]And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Are we left to assume , that if there would be no pre or post trib rapture , that Christ is not coming back for his church (ecclesia)? 1 COR 15:52...It should at least be expounded as to what is our hope!
Do you believe all of the pre trib believers are afraid or unwilling to suffer for Jesus? How many of us Christians have suffered and died for Jesus in the last 2000 years? Did they not go through tribulation? Do not reject the Blessed Hope, the glorious appearing of our Lord and Saviour: Christ Jesus, as we look forward to being united with Jesus for our marraige to Jesus in Heaven, then we return with Jesus to Earth to live in the New Jerusalem, where there will be no more pain and suffering. Do not steal the joy of all of us believers in Christ Jesus, as we look forward to His return for us at any moment, without any prophetic sign or event to take place. Come Lord Jesus, may today be the day You return for Your Bride, the Body of Christ, the Church. Peace and Maranatha.
The term "rapture" is overthrowing many people's understanding. It disconnects people from the biblical idea of the resurrection that both testaments mention. There are 2 resurrections, only 2. The resurrection of the just and the resurrection of unjust Dan 12:1-2, John 5:28-29, Acts 24:14-15. Both resurrections occur on the last day as alluded to by Christ John 6:38-54. The last day is also called the Day of the Lord, the Day of Christ, the millennial reign and the two resurrections are separated by the span of 1000yrs Rev 20. The last day is after Daniel's 70th week Dan 12:1-2, Matt 24:15-31, 2 Thess 2, Rev 20. The 1st resurrection will include those that have received HIS Spirit after Pentecost and all the old testament righteous Christ preached to in the lower part of the earth from Adam to the thief on the Cross 1 Peter 3:19-20. Pray about it but definitely be ready 1 Pet 4:1.
My brother, maybe you're the one to help me to understand something. Jesus said that the things that were done by the people living in the days leading up to the first judgment will be repeated by the people living in the days leading up to the second judgment. My question to you is this. If the second judgment is going to occur after the tribulation just as you think, won't it be impossible for the people living in the days leading up to the second judgment to be marrying and giving in marriage, to be buying and selling, planting and building when the sun has been darkened, and the moon no longer gives her light, when the stars have fallen from heaven and the powers of heaven have been shaken? I mean, that's what the days would be like after the tribulation. After all, it was the lord who said it. And we both know what He says always comes to pass. But, If you think that it will be possible for people to do those things during those days, please tell me how. It'll be very much appreciated.
@@garvinsmith4555 i think elitists will have bunkers so they can still do those things. Notice the tribulation is for the most part caused by exposure. Hail/darkness/scorching heat won't effect those under ground as much as those on the surface. Bear in mind when Satan kills the 2 witnesses, the entire world celebrates. Perhaps that's part of why the third seal says not to damage the oil or the wine... Revelations 6.6.
I have read the biblical text on this topic, in deep study fashion, and the truth is, The "Pre" and "Post" Rapture views are simply not Biblical. The clear Biblical Rapture view is the Middle of the 70th week. Some People call that "Mid-Trib" with is really not a correct way to lablel it either. It is in the Middle of the 70th week just before The Day of The Lord starts, but after the birth-pangs which includes great distress and persecution on earth. These Prophecies were NOT referring to AD 70 and the destruction of the Temple. The Day of The Lord all throughout Scripture is a Global catastrophe, Not a localized one as in AD 70.
I would like to ask a question? According to this take on the rapture et cetera are you have just shared, do you believe that Jesus can still return now at any time in that case?
@Mark Saunders Gospel Truth ~ Yes. When Jesus Christ appears again, the dead shall be raised from the graves. The saints shall be resurrected to eternal life in a new heaven and new hearth and the sinners to eternal condemnation in the lake of fire (Acts 1: 9-11; John 5:28-29; 1 Cor. 15:1-58; 2 Cor. 5:9-10; Heb. 9:27-28; Dan. 12:2; Rev. 20:11-12). Nothing in the Bible ever tells us that the Church will be removed from the earth seven years before the Second Coming of Jesus. Nobody knows the day or hour when the Son of Man returns. Christ can come at any moment. This is explained in the following articles… www.equip.org/articles/apocalypse-when/ www.equip.org/article/left-behind-from-root-to-ripened-fruit/ www.equip.org/bible_answers/when-do-we-receive-our-resurrected-bodies/
@@BibleAnswerMan thank you for taking the time to reply it is appreciated. I know you are busy. is there a way I could email you? Im on a journey I think you could identify with. Im willing to share my email here if that helps?
You can message the CRI using the online form at www.equip.org/contact/ Hank Hanegraaff is unfortunately unable to personally respond to the hundreds of letters and emails he receives, which is why he depends on the CRI team for responses.
@@BibleAnswerMan Jesus said 4 times in John He will raise ALL who belong to Him on the LAST day. Last means last, all means all unless you want to add or take away from the word. Rev 12 v 17 belong to Christ. Jesus doesnt come back for us until the last day which is the day of Gods wrath, we meet Jesus in the clouds right before God pours His wrath that day. Rev 16.
@@BibleAnswerMan My brother you said nothing in the Bible ever tells us that the Church will be removed seven years before the second coming of Christ. No, not in those words. But according to the words of Lord Jesus, the things that were done by the people living in the days leading up to the first judgment will be repeated by the people living in the days leading up to the second judgment. And if the second judgment is going to occur after the tribulation as you have suggested, won't it be impossible for the people living in the days leading up to the second judgment to be marrying and giving in marriage, to be buying and selling, planting and building and doing all of the stuff the lord said they'll be doing when the sun has been darkened, and the moon no longer gives her light when the stars have fallen from Heaven, and the powers of heaven have been shaken? These things must come to pass before the final judgment. And these things can only come to pass before the tribulation when it is still possible. This is the reason why pre-tribbers believe that the tribulation Marks the beginning of the destruction of humanity which will happen seven years before the second coming of Christ.
The seventeenth week of Daniel is a real thing. The problem is people mix up the great tribulation, which is basically when the anti Christ's reign starts to fall apart and the world wars and the universe starts to deteriote, with the day of the Lord. They are two separate things. First the resurrection then the day of the Lord and the end of the anti Christ's reign of seven years.
"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down." Hmmmm. Who was Jesus talking to?
My brothers and sisters, Here are some biblical topics that you should know to understand the minds of Jesus, His prophets and His disciples. If your pastors never talked about those topics, you are still a baby in Christ, you have not matured and you’re way behind, and you need to catch up. When you read the texts about these topics, do not just stay on the surface of the waters, go deeper! 1. 7 days of creation; 2. Prophecies of Noah to his 3 sons; 3. Promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; 4. Prophecies of Jacob to Joseph’s 2 sons; 5. Blessings of Jacob upon his 12 sons (tribes); 6. The song of Moses; 7. Tabernacle of witness; 8. 7 feasts of God; 9. 2 houses of Israel; 10. 2 witnesses in Revelation; 11. The statue of Nebuchadnezzar; 12. 4 animals in Daniel; 13. Ram and goat in Daniel; 14. 70 weeks in Daniel; 15. 2 beasts in Revelation; 16. Great Babylon in Revelation; 17. 4 horses in Zachariah; 18. 4 horsemen in Revelation; 19. 7 churches; 20. 7 seals; 21. 7 trumpets; 22. 7 bowls; 23. 1st resurrection; 24. Millennium of Jesus Christ on Earth; 25. The temple of Ezekiel; 26. 2nd resurrection; 27. Final judgment; 28. New Jerusalem.
A person can’t read Matthew 24 and ever come up with a pre tribulation rapture. Jesus himself tells us when it would be in verse 29. “Immediately after the tribulation” What is it about “after” that so many Christians just don’t understand. It doesn’t mean before and it doesn’t mean in the middle it simply means after. Jesus was talking to four of his disciples and was answering their question of what will be the sign and when will it happen. Did they understand what Jesus was saying, go and check with marks account and lukes account and read what they said. They have no doubt as to what Jesus had said so here we have two witnesses testifying of what was said. I believed in a pre trib rapture for over 70 years until I thought I would do my own research as to whether it was pre trib or post trib. It finally hit me as though it was hidden there all the time in plain sight. I still wonder to this day how on earth did I not see this earlier on.
Jesus also said that tribulation in Matthew 24 would have within a generation. The tribulation of course refers to the events surrounding the fall of Jerusalem and destruction of the temple in AD 70. See www.equip.org/articles/apocalypse-when/ and www.equip.org/article/left-behind-from-root-to-ripened-fruit/
You make a lot of assertions by simply saying "there is no Biblical basis." The problem is you fail to address much of the scripture that in fact absolutely does address the rapture, the dead raising. While you correctly stated there is no basis for a pretribulation rapture, let me give you a few scriptures to support a post tribulation rapture. Concerning the timing of the rapture read Rev 6:12-17, Rev. 11:15-19, Rev. 16:16-21. The three passages describe the culmination of the vials, trumpets, seals. As you read these passages you will see that they all end by describing the exact same event. Also look at 1 Corinthians 15: 51-53. Note that Paul states that the dead in Christ rise first and we are changed, taking off corruption and putting on immortality. And when does this occur? At the last trump. I have a ton of more scripture that proves the post tribulation, but I won't make this too long. Finally, you stated that there is no 7 years of tribulation. That is absolutely correct. This idea is taken from Daniels 70 week vision found in chapter 9. The Bible tells us exactly how long the "great tribulation will be. Rev.12 tell us that the great tribulation is Satan's wrath no God's. I also states that the antichrist would rule for 1260 days (3.5 years) this time frames is mentioned again towards the end of chapter when woman was protected for time, times, and half a times. (3.5 years Revelation 13:5 states that the beast would have power for 42 months (3.5 years) Also note that both Revelation 12 and 13 state that the beast is persecuting saints of God (also referred to as the elect).
I believe the primary purpose of the Rapture is to spare God’s children from the horrors of the seven-year Tribulation. In Revelation 3:10, Christ told the church at Philadelphia, “Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.” Consistent with that promise, John’s vision of the Tribulation never mentions the Church’s presence on earth. God’s promise that the dead in Christ and those alive at the time of the Rapture will be “caught up together… to meet the Lord in the air” comforted readers of that day, and it comforts us as well. Indeed, “There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1). For believers, judgment day already happened at the cross of Calvary (John 16:11). According to the apostle Paul, the Rapture will set in motion a series of events that will lead up to Christ’s Second Coming. “He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming” (2 Thessalonians 2:7-8). This Restrainer is the Holy Spirit who indwells the Church. Presently, the Spirit’s righteous presence on earth, working through the Church, holds back the flood of evil. Removing the Church will also remove the Holy Spirit’s restraining influence from the land and usher in the Antichrist’s reign. The Church will remain in heaven until Christ comes back to earth to receive the Kingdom prepared by His Father. Then, we will return with Him and share in His inheritance (Matthew 25:34). In Revelation, John sees God’s people as the Bride of Christ, “arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints” (Revelation 19:7-8). Six verses later, John envisions Christ accompanied by “the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean” (Revelation 19:14). This glorious occasion will outshine anything in the history of the world. May the Lord find us ready and waiting! Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. 1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
There are several raptures and resurrections mentioned in the bible - these are the most important ones and they obviously do not happen at the same time A. Enoch is caught up / taken / raptured [Genesis 5v24 + Hebrews 11v5-6] - A type for the church (faith) B. Elijah is caught up [2 Kings 2v11] - A type for Israel C. The resurrection & rapture/ascension of Jesus (First) [Matthew 27v52-54 + Acts 1v9-11] D. The resurrection & rapture of many of the saints (directly after His resurrection) [Hosea 6v2 + Matthew 27v52-54] E. The resurrection & rapture of the church [1 Thessalonians 4v16-17 & Rev 4v1] (Pre-trib) F. The resurrection & rapture of the two witnesses [Rev 11v11-12] after 1260 days (Mid-trib) G. The rapture of the 144000 [Rev 14v3] (most certainly before the second coming, probably mid-trib/pre-wrath) H. The resurrection of those who were beheaded [Rev 20v4] and the ingathering of the elect to Jerusalem from the four corners of the earth and heaven [Mark 13v26-27; Matthew 24v29-31 & Jude 1v14] (The ingathering of the elect on earth is a type of rapture - like Philip in Acts 8) (at the second coming) I. The resurrection of those who are to be thrown into the Lake of Fire [Rev 20v12-15] The End of days ~ KJV [When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.] Colossians 3v4
Enoch was never raptured to heaven. Jesus said no man has EVER ascended to heaven, but he who came from heaven.. Enoch was mentioned among all those in Hebrews 11:13 who died. His days being numbered supports he died.
@@dobysmith744 There is the 3rd heaven where Paul went and there is the abode of God where no natural man has ever been - if they did they would die instantly
none are true about a rapture, this is a recent theory from darby were he got mixed up about the first resurrection of the saints in revelation shortly before jesus comes. everyone will go through the tribuation unless you die before it starts.
The tribulation in the New Testament was referring to apostate Jerusalem and the temple being destroyed in 70 AD, which the book of Hebrews describes as an "earth shaking event".
That's not correct. Ireneaus, Victorinus, Cyprian and other early church fathers wrote about rapture. It was not initiated by Darby. “Those nations however, who did not of themselves raise up their eyes unto heaven, nor returned thanks to their Maker, nor wished to behold the light of truth, but who were like blind mice concealed in the depths of ignorance, the word justly reckons “as waste water from a sink, and as the turning-weight of a balance - in fact, as nothing;”….And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, “There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be.”(2) For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption.” - Against Heresies 5.29 Irenaus I will submit the timing Rapture its not in the Bible explicitly but implicitly. Otherwise, you have to look at 70A.D. and really ask questions from a historical perspective. Did the Roman general Titus walk into the temple and declare himself to be God? Did Emporer Vespasian require all in the Roman empire to receive a mark on the right hand or forehead? Did Jesus visibly set up his kingdom on earth and is He visibly sitting on his throne in Jerusalem? No. If you take the view that the tribulation was 70 A.D. then you have to allegorize the scriptures to fit that narrative. Truth is these prophecies are yet future.
@@brettsartain6889 as i stated earlier the bible does speak of the elite/chosen ones/first fruits/144000, these are all one group, they get aresurrection just before jesus comes back to rule and they come with him to rule as kings and priests, they all come from the twelve tribes of israel. Rapture is not mentioned in bible but resurrection is. but the recent rapture theory from the dispensatinal movement in the 1830s changed the resurrection of the saints to then mean all christions would go up to heaven which is wrong
@@brettsartain6889 The truth is Revelation was fulfilled in the 1st century. The Caesars used believe they were gods. The "mark of the beast" was Caesar worship in 1st century Asia minor and the Christians had to swear their allegiance to the Caesars, otherwise they could not buy or sell. The "beast" were the Romans, more specifically it was Caesar Nero. In Hebraic gematria, Caesar Nero adds up to 666. Jesus' kingdom is spiritual in nature and His New Covenant Kingdom arrived in its fullness in 70 AD after the Old Covenant age came to an end. Apostate Old Covenant Jerusalem came under divine judgement from the "wrath of the Lamb" in Revelation in 70 AD. There's nothing about a physical geopolitical kingdom in the Scriptures. That's exactly what Jesus was trying to avoid! The kingdom is a heavenly/spiritual Jerusalem. The biblical end times were fulfilled at the end of the Old Covenant age, not the end of time and not the end of the world. It's no good appealing to the Hellenised church fathers either. They never understood the Hebraic apocalyptic language of the Scriptures. Your view was invented by Darby.
I appreciate a clarification on the rapture theories. I would like to suggest that biblically speaking, the term rapture and the second coming are one and the same. The Apostle Paul when instructing the Thessalonians in regard to the day of the Lord and the man of sin, had an understanding of Daniels prophecies which foretold the rise of the little horn ( man of sin). Paul was discreetly telling them that until the final overthrow of the Roman Empire ( in 476A.D.) neither the man of sin or the day of Lord would be fulfilled, the pagan Roman Empire being the “restrainer”. So in 538 A.D. the “man of sin” did receive His “power, seat, and authority” Rev 13:2. The mark of this beast is a religious mark and will take the majority of the Christian world by surprise and they will readily accept it as coming from God. This pre-trib rapture theory is a big smoke screen to prevent people from coming to a knowledge of what the “mark of the beast” is. While the mark of the beast is not enforced at present, it does already exist and God wants us to know what it is to avoid it.
you gave the answer in the midst of your rather long-winded discourse when you said neither theory is true - the truth is that we will only be 'caught up with Christ' when he comes again at the very end of time
So only this paster knows this? you think God woldent let many other Christians know the truth? most thing in a pre-rapture. Read it literally to avoid confusion. Bible is for no mans individual interpretation
Luk 17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven. 1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other. Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, Mar 13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken. Mar 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. Mar 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven. Mar 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven. Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen. Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Rev 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle. Rev 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe. when you compare scripture with scripture you can look for common elements that are found in them.
All this leads to post rapture, at the end, before the final destruction , key word in the scripture, every eye will be able to see him, if it were a pre rapture, the unbelievers wouldn't see him, because , then they would know who he is, and all would receive salvation, literally, who would see Jesus in the sky, and turn away from him, and go through a great tribulation , to then either take the mark and worship or, die to be with Jesus, when they already has a chance to do it..People don't receive Jesus , because they don't believe in him, but if he is in the clouds and everyone can see him, they will believe ..post rapture , the saints will not have to endure the wrath, but will be around to see it
@@NitaRidout When Jesus comes and every ryr shall see Him it is then and there to late to accept Jesus. When He comes as a thief in the night, only those who are His and looking for His coming in the clouds will go with Him Luk 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares. Luk 21:35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man. Those who are ready and watching for Jesus will go to be with Him those who see Him when He comes and are not ready, I.E the foolish virgins will be forever doomed and rejected There is no salvation from Jesus coming in the clouds and afterwards. Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory Rev 16:10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, Rev 16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds. These saw Jesus come in the clouds, and they know who the one true God is and blaspheme His name because of the plagues Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? This is the Rapture, every eye sees Jesus when He Comes and they also know that at His coming for His bride that the day of His wrath is come I have no desire to add to or take away from God's Word, I love the Lord and have no desire to alter His word with my own imaginations out of my own heart. Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. There you have two curses placed on those who add to the prophecy of this book or take away from the prophecy of this book. if I claim anything that is not true concerning the Book of Revelation then I place myself under those two curses, no matter how sincere I was in doing so. Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. because I have the availability of the Holy Ghost to guide me into all truth, then if I hold and trach false doctrine I am guilty because Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. if I fail to take heed to the Holy Ghost concerning the Word of God teaching things I ought not to, then that is on me and I will bear that sin, and myself be rejected because I resisted the Holy Ghost.
@@dennishagans6339 The sacrifice of Christ benefits all truly repentant sinners who have sincere faith and trust in Christ, but this benefit is conferred as God automatically baptizes all true believers in the Holy Spirit, which places them "into" the Body of Christ (1Cor.12:13) --and that "Body" is the Church (Eph.--1:22--,23), with the result that all believers are "IN Christ" (2Cor.5:17). Being "in Christ" is the place of justification (Gal.--2:17--), redemption and forgiveness of sins (Eph.1:7). What's more, Paul teaches that a person who is in the body of Christ, has died to the requirements and condemnation of the OT law (Rom. 7:4,6) ---and thus, anyone who is not in the body of Christ remains condemned by the law (Rom.--2:12-- ; Gal.--3:10---11 ; Jas.--2:10--). There is no other place, than in Christ's body, for those spiritual transactions in the NT. It will only be people "in Christ" (and in his body), who have been crucified with him, who have died and been burried with him, and are made alive with him (read Rom.6:1-10). For anyone to be saved, God places Jews or Gentiles "in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross" (Eph.--2:16--)... and that one body of reconciliation is the Church (Eph.--1:22---23). There will never be any other way to justification, reconciliation to God, redemption, resurrection and eternal life, than by being "IN Christ," which is in his body --the Church-- ...and anything else is another way of salvation (and really, another gospel) than is found in the Bible. --It would take some major explaining to tell how a person could be "in Christ" but not in his body (the Church). If the tribulation saints are not in Christ's body, then how are they saved? --Consider especially verses like Romans 12:5, which says, "so in Christ we who are many form one body." Paul says explicitly there that being "in" Christ means being in his "body", and he uses those two ideas as being inseparable. ---Biblical Christianity can never advance any other way of justification and redemption, other than being "IN Christ." So, the pre-trib notion of a group of "tribulation saints" who are saved and redeemed during the tribulation, but yet are not part of the body of Christ (the Church), is actually a contradiction in terms, which rests on very shabby theology that undermines the biblical doctrine of salvation. ---The true situation during the tribulation will be: there will be Spirit-baptized saints who are "washed ...in the blood of the Lamb" (Rev.7:14), so, they are blood-bought and justified saints; they will be born-again Christians "who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus" (Rev.12:17), and who "remain faithful to Jesus" (Rev.14:12). --And very crucial for this discussion: note those saints who "die IN the Lord" during the Great Tribulation (see Rev.14:12-13 with 6:9-11) ...remembering from our previous discussion, that being "in the Lord," or "in Christ," is precisely the NT description of a believer who is part of the Church, the body of Christ! Thus, there is no possible way that these tribulation "saints" can not part of the Church. --They must be. The corporate body of Christ first came into being when believers were first baptized in the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost (Acts 1:5 & 2:1-4). Since then, every true believer is automatically placed into the body of Christ by the Baptism in the Holy Spirit (1Cor.12:13), so that all believers are "in Christ" (and this must --since the Acts 2 day of Pentecost-- include all Old Testament saints, as well as tribulation saints). Redemptive union with Christ, in his body (the Church), has always been God's plan for all believers of all ages. Paul says that Jesus is the Savior of "his body" (Eph.5:23), and it would take some major explaining to show that he is the Savior of anybody else. Anybody who is not part of the body of Christ, therefore, will not be saved. Jew or Gentile, there is no other provision in all of eternity for the salvation of sinners other than by being in the body of Christ. --So, unavoidably, since there are saved people on earth during the tribulation, the body of Christ, the Church, must be present on earth at that time. Since the "Church" is clearly on earth during the Tribulation, there is no reason to say that the Church is evacuated just before the Tribulation begins. Obviously, those who "die in the Lord" during the tribulation will be part of Christ's body, the Church, and they too (like all who are in Christ) will rise at the first resurrection and be raptured (1 Thess.4:16-18). Thus, the rapture must follow the tribulation, during which those tribulation saints "die IN the Lord."
@@dennishagans6339 sorry I dont know why it comes up with words crossed over, I have this saved in my files on my computer and it doesnt show as this way. Point is in order to believe in pre trib you must go against the salvation gospel and create an entire new one. Jesus said 4 times in John He will raise ALL who believe in Him on the last day. last means last, all means all. We the church are part of the two witnesses hence the two lampstands and olive trees that form ONE body in Christ, the church. I dont know about you, but when scripture tells us if anyone even an angel comes to us with a different gospel other than given, we are not to listen and they are cursed, per scripture. I wish people would understand how dangerous pre trib teaching really is.
@@issuesthatmatter2825 No Worries on the crossed out words, I have actually seen that one time before. 2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. 2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; 2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. The teaching that Christ had already come in Paul's day was having the effect of overthrowing the faith of some. The serpent's first attack was against God's word in the Garden, and that attack caused the fall of man, so since that attack was so successful back then he has used it ever since with great effect. I have heard the pre-trib being taught as a secret rapture by misusing Jesus coming as a thief in the night. How many people are going to believe they missed the secret rapture and take the mark of the beast so they can buy and sell? That is the serpents goal, to deceive Christians into believing they missed the rapture and have no hope so they might as well take the mark. Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. As we get closerto that day the deception is going to become stronger, and stronger so that wannabe Christians are gonna be sifted out or make the total commitment to Christ. The Lord showed me this. we can know that it has not happened because when Jesus does come He will take unborn babies, new-borns and children under the age of accountability, as long as those children are still here, the rapture has not taken place. That is for the pre-tribbers who think it is a secret rapture.
So say if your a father and your kids was playing outside with you and one of your kid are in the street and a car is coming at them, what will you do ? A. Get them off the street before the car hit them. B. Get them off the street when the car come at them. C. Wait tell the car hit them and go save them 😒. If you answer a then congratulations, you are a pre tribulation believer and you save your kid. If you answer b then congratulations, you are a mid tribulation and you and your kid are dead.😑 If you answer c then congratulations, your a post tribulation and your kid is dead. Your a bad farther.
Taken and left behind is dealt with in this video > ua-cam.com/video/m61pLIkAz74/v-deo.html Also see the article > www.equip.org/article/whos-been-left-behind/#christian-books-3
The one left behind always goes into the Kingdom. You don't want to be taken away first. Matthew 13:30 KJV Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, *Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them:* but gather the wheat into my barn.
@@DontYouWantToLiveForever The English taken can mean the Rapture or be taken for the judgement. The Greek G 3880 is taken to oneself=Rapture, the other left, Luke 17:37 where the dead bodies are refers to the other left, that happens at His 2.coming (Armageddon).
Didn't Jesus tell Christians to pray for God's Kingdom to come and for His will to be done on earth as it is in heaven? God's Kingdom is a heavenly government ruled by Jesus Christ as King. Soon Jesus will bring beautiful changes to the earth. There will be no more death, pain or sorrow on earth, Revelation 21:4,5! No more wickedness on earth, Psalms 37:9-11! After Armageddon the meek will inherit the earth and live forever on it, Psalms 37:29; Matthew 5:5; Proverbs 2:21,22! The earth will be cultivated into a Paradise like God intended in the beginning, Genesis 1:28; Isaiah 55:11! Jesus will do on a grand scale what he did when he walked the earth including raising those who are asleep in death, John 5:28,29! There will only be one government over the entire earth forever, Daniel 2:44! Jesus will do on a grand scale what he did when he walked the earth including raising those who are asleep in death, John 5:28,29! Jesus said that this good news of the Kingdom would be preached about in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come, Matthew 24:14! Soon Jesus will make sure that God's Will is done on earth as it is in heaven, Matthew 6:9,10! Will you be there to see it? John 4:22-24; John 17:3; Isaiah 42:8!
AT THE RAPTURE; the instant removal of the bride to meet our Lord above earth we will receive an imperishable sinless body like that of Jesus Christ.1 Cor. 15:51-57. First church believers who died and then those alive following them up (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18). The Lord calls us from above Earth. I believe the Holy Spirit in us HEARS and actually removes us to His side! Our sin nature, Romans 3:23, is supernaturally removed and our sanctification (being holy) is completed as is our salvation so we can go to Heaven. Timing?We are NOT appointed to God's wrath! 1 Thessalonians 1:10; 5:9; Romans 5:8-9. The bride of Christ will not go through "Tribulation" when God judges the lost world left behind. No longer will evil be restrained as one of the ministries of the Holy Spirit. The bride is complete & home. That opens the door for the appearance of anti-Christ; Satan in human form! TIMING OF RAPTURE? See John 14:3; Titus chapter 2:verses 11-14; Revelation 3:10 It is "IMMINENT"! "Maranatha" ("He comes") was the greeting to one another in the just formed church. They looked for Jesus to come in their time! WE TOO! Only God knows the time the last Christian is saved! This channel is a blessing known to God before the world was made. Ephesians 1:1-14 2 Samuel chapter 22:verse 50 "Therefore I will praise you, O Lord, out of the countries, and I will praise your name." There is a CROWN in Heaven awaiting all who share the Gospel of Jesus Christ and a soul is saved. See 1 Thessalonians 2:19-20; Philippians 4:1. " For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even you in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming? 20 For you are our glory and joy." THE GOSPEL SAVES Mark 16: verse 15: And He said unto them, Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. How can anyone hear the "good" news? Romans 10:17 Then faith comes from hearing and hearing by the word of God. The Birth Of Jesus Christ Isaiah 7:14: "Therefore the LORD shall give you a sign; behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and call His name Immanuel." Hebrew: עִמָּנוּאֵל, "God with us" in human flesh but without sin. The Savior of the world was born to die for our sins! He did so 33 years later. His terrible ordeal, the body was mutilated, the blood was poured out, but the bones were not broken, buried in a Tomb and risen on the 3rd day. Isaiah 53: "5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23 "I am the way, the truth and the life: no one comes to the Father except through me." John 14.6 "1 Corinthians 15: 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: "In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;." Ephesians 1:7 Matthew 26:28 "For this is my blood of the New Testament, which is shed for many for the redemption of sins." Ephesians 2:8 "Because you have been saved through faith, and this is not from you. This is the gift of God. Jesus died to pay the penalty for our sins and rescue us from eternal death. Because of Jesus' death on our behalf, all we have to do is believe in Him, trusting in His death and in the shedding of His blood as payment for our sins, as well as in His burial and resurrection from the dead the third day, and we will be saved! John 20:24-31; See 1 Corinthians 15: 1-4. Romans 10: 9 If you confess the Lord Jesus with your mouth and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart man believes in righteousness; And a confession by mouth is given to salvation. 13 For the one who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. Salvation and forgiveness of sins is a blessing of all who believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. We receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit immediately which seals us in Christ Ephesians 1:13-14. Those who reject salvation, "perish"(John 3:16) which means their sins are judged and suffer separation from God forever called the second death. Rev.21:8
Post trib-prewrath. I found that not long after I was saved that Rev ch 6 proves pretribe rapture is false teahing and people don't want to here it which is bad. 1st thess 1:10 and 5:9 and Romans 5:9 say we are not appointed the wrath but the wrath doesn't happen until after the tribulations have come. Rev ch 6 is the tribulation and it has begun and the saints are there in Rev 6:9-11,still there. But in Rev 6:16-17 we see the Wrath has come. What worries me is that a lot of believers will believe that there belief was in vain and lose faith. We will suffer the Tribulation but not wrath. I believe Rev 6:12-17 descibes a nuclear war,ever watch videos of nuclear bombs rolling the clouds like a scroll. Thats the only way John could describe what he saw. You see in Rev ch 7:9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11 All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying: “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom, Thanksgiving and honor and power and might, Be to our God forever and ever. Amen.” 13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?” 14 And I said to him, [a]“Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to [b]living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”
Not everyone goes at the same time. There are two more raptures. One second coming. During the next rapture, Jesus does not come to earth.The saints will meet Him in the air. Only the truly repentant will go in this rapture.God knows your hearts.These will be invited to the Wedding of the Lamb. The parable of the 10 virgins explains this. All 10 were virgins(saved) and all 10 called Him Lord but only 5 got to go. Five were left. In the parable, the oil in the wise virgins' lamps represents their righteous living and obedience. 10 “But while they (lukewarm foolish)were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut. The lukewarm Christian’s who indulged in this world will be counted in the second rapture during the tribulation. These will become the Tribulation Saints described in Revelation 7. And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb The mass confusion of pretrib or post trib comes about because people do not realize that all do not go at the same time. Repentance is the key as to which rapture you will be going in. Pray it is the first.
@michaellau2544 Good question. The idea of a 7 year long future great tribulation is just not in the Bible. See www.equip.org/article/daniel-prophesy-seven-year-great-tribulation/ and www.equip.org/articles/apocalypse-when/
When Jesus comes the SECOND time He will appear to those who look for Him and love Him. Hebr 9:28. This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.( Second time.Acts 1:11.) Immediately after the tribulation Jesus shall appear from Heaven. (SECOND TIME) Matt. 24:29-30. When Jesus comes the second time He will descent from Heaven and we will meet Him in the air.( 1Thes 4:16). When Jesus comes the second time we will be gathering together unto Him.(2 Thes 2:1). When Jesus comes the second time He will come in flaming fire and vengeance to those unbelievers who had fallen away from the truth and then Jesus will be glorified in his saints in that day.(2Thes 1:8,10). Before Jesus comes the second time a falling away from the truth must take place for the antichrist to be revealed.(2Thes 2:3) When Jesus comes the second time He will destroy the antichrist with the brightness of His coming and those who had fallen away from the truth..(2Thes 2:8,10). Nobody is going to disappear (raptured) before Jesus comes the second time.
I am mid-trib at Paul’s ‘last trump’ but at least all pre/mid/pre-wrath and post trib views are in the same camp of pre-millenniumism and not way off in left field of Post-millenniumism or A-millenniumism which take all prophecy as allegorical and do not believe in a future 1000 year of Christ on earth. Blessings.
There is no rapture with Matthew 24 29-31 which is Zech 14 6-9 and Luke 17 22-37. The wicked are taken and the righteous are gathered on the last day immediately after the tribulation. What day is immediately after the tribulation in Daniels 70th week. Immediately after the tribulation is day 2520 of a 7 year covenant. The date will be known 7 biblical years before the event.
@@Gods-Word-with-CherieJay The prophecy in Daniel chapter 9 used the Hebrew Word shabua for week meaning a group of 7 biblical years. In that prophecy a biblical year was exactly 360 days. And a week was 2520 days. Clearly in the future time changes back to biblical years. Rev 12 6 and Rev 12 14 are the same event in the future. In the future, 1260 days will be exactly 3.5 years. And all the prophecies of Daniel 9 24 will be fulfilled on the last day of the 7 year tribulation. The date will be known years before the event. The Fig Tree passages and the parable of the 10 virgins are talking about the end of a different age.
@@Gods-Word-with-CherieJay If someone wrote a book on the end times about Matthew 24 and 2 Thess 2 and the book of Revelation in order for it to be correct in the future, what would be the correct study. The problem is the correct interpretation takes study. The following studies explain those passages of scripture. MATTHEW 24 Many people have the context of Matthew 24 wrong. Many people don't know what happened on that day. This is what happened: 1. Matthew 24 1-2 was asked about the 2nd temple. This was done in the day time in public. Luke 21 37. 2. At that time Jesus gave Luke 21. Luke 21 had some parts about 2000 years future also. 3. So after hearing Luke 21, Jesus and the disciples walked to the Mount of Olives. On the Mount of Olives at night time, the disciples asked Matthew 24 3 about the ending of Luke 21. 4. These is a gap in time between Matthew 24 1-2 and Matthew 24 3. That makes all the difference in the world. 5. Let me rephrase Matthew 24 3 so people can understand. When will these things you talked about in Luke 21 earlier this day occur? And what will be the sign of your coming in Luke 21 24-28 and Luke 21 29-36 be? 6. Jesus was talking about the ending of 2 different ages in the end times in Matthew 24. Matthew 24 4-31 is in Daniels 70th week. There is no rapture in the 2nd half with Matthew 24 15-31. And Matthew 24 32-51 is the Pretrib rapture and has warnings for believers in this generation. 2 THESS 2 Many people are not understanding 1 Thess 5. That passage only has 2 events unlike 2 Thess 2 which has events in between. 1 Thess 5 has the rapture since we are of the day. We are sober. We are not appointed to wrath. And 1 Thess 5 has the day of the Lord at the 6th seal that starts as birth pangs on the wicked. 1 Thess 5 does not have the apostasy that will start after the pretrib rapture and 1 Thess 5 does not have the man of sin revealed at the 5th seal. Let me rephrase 2 Thess 2 so people can understand: Thessalonians do not be alarmed with a letter saying the day of the Lord at at the 6th seal has already started. That day will not start until the apostasy in the first half starts and the man of sin is revealed at the 5th seal midtrib. Now you know what is holding our gathering and all this evil to come. You are holding all this evil back. You are righteous and of the day. You are restraining all this back. There is no rapture in the 2nd half of Daniels 70th week after the antichrist is revealed midtrib. THE BOOK OF REVELATION How could everyone's interpretation of the end times be wrong? Could the literal interpretation of just three verses in the bible prove everyone wrong. These are the verses: Zech 14 and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. 6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: 7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light. 8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. 9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one. In Rev 1:7 it says every eye will see Him referring to the 2nd coming. Meaning in Russia and America and Africa and China and Europe and every place on earth. This will be a supernatural event. Will that event literally happen at evening time in Israel? Are we limiting God with our understanding of Armageddon and battles? Can God gather armies supernaturally? Can God destroy all the wicked in the entire world in just one day? I have been saying on the very last day of Daniel's 70th week immediately after the tribulation, Zech 14:6-9 will literally be fulfilled. On that day many interpretations will be proven wrong. Zech 14 6-9 is the day in Matthew 24 29-31 and in the book of Revelation it is the day of the 7th trumpet and all 7 bowl judgments. In the book of Revelation that day is Rev 10 7 and Rev 11 15 and Rev 14 14 and Rev 19 11. With the pretrib rapture in the Fig Tree passages and the parable of the 10 virgins, what are the differences between that event and known passages of the 2nd coming? In the pretrib rapture, no man knows the day or the hour. No man knows the watch. No man will know if it will be in the evening time or the midnight watch or when the rooster crows or at dawn. These are the watches for the Feast of Trumpets. At the shout at midnight the righteous are taken and the unrighteous are left behind. The ones left behind later ask for the door to be opened for them also. There is no eternal judgment at the pretrib rapture. The ones left behind are only told to depart from the Lord. The bridegroom is going to the wedding. When He appears, we become like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. The separation does not mention what time of day it is. The judgment on that day is the ones left behind are with the hypocrites. On the day of the 2nd coming the day will be known. It will be the last day of Daniels 70th week. The watch will be evening time in Israel. Only the hour will not be known but it will be sudden. The correct translation is I am coming suddenly. On that day the wicked are taken and the righteous are gathered on earth. There is eternal judgment on that day. Many are told to depart into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels. The bridegroom is coming from the wedding. At His appearing the entire world mourns. The separation is in that night after the sun and moon are darkened. The judgment on that day is with unbelievers.
Fearfull will never enter into the kingdom of God Revelation 21:8. Unbelievers in Christ Jesus cling to rapure and try to save them from tribulations and they will be lost.
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The following is an except of Chuck Smith in the Blue Letter Bible and it is what I've always believed. Now immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened (Mat @); This will be the final aspect of the tribulation, the great cataclysmic signs in the heavens. The son darkened, the moon will not give her light, the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall appear (Mat @-30) When? Immediately after the tribulations of those days, then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory (Mat @). It says, "and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory." All of the tribes of the earth. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other (Mat @). Now those who take the post-tribulation theory, that Jesus is not going to take the church out until after the Great Tribulation, use this as one of their chief verses to defend their position. For He shall then, after He returns, after the Great Tribulation, He will then send His angels with the sound of a trumpet. The trumpet of God shall sound, "and they shall gather together, His elect from the four winds from one end of the heavens to the other." Now one thing that they always disregard is that the Bible speaks of that trump by which the church will be caught up to glory, as the trump of God always shall sound; whereas, they confuse that with the seventh trumpet of the book of Revelation, because the trump of God is called the last trump. And so they say, the seventh trump is the last trumpet in the book of Revelation. But again in the book of Revelation there, the trumpets of the seven angels, and the seven angels prepared to sound their seven trumpets. And there is a vast difference between the seventh trumpet (the trumpet of an angel), which is declared to be a woe, and that trump of God whereby the church should be called to her reward. Now this particular verse is one of those compilations where Jesus put together three verses out of the Old Testament; whereby, God has promised that when the return of Christ takes place, and the kingdom is established, that God is again going to take back the Jews as His people, as a nation, and He is going to bring them back in the land, and honor them once more. And in Deuteronomy chapter thirty, three and four, in that particular promise as the Lord is talking about returning them from their captivity, He said, "and if any of you are driven out to the uttermost parts of heaven, from there will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from there He will fetch you. Notice He will gather together from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other, but that heaven if you be scattered, He will gather you from there. Deuteronomy thirty-four. In Isaiah @-13, there the Lord said, again as He is predicting the regathering of the people "oh ye children of Israel", the end of verse twelve, "it shall come to pass in that day that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish, in the land of Assyria, the outcast from the land of Egypt, and they shall worship the Lord in the holy mount at Jerusalem." And so the trumpet, the great trumpet sounding, Jesus makes reference to that. And then once more in Isaiah @. Here they are told to be gathered from the four corners of the earth, or from the four winds, as Jesus makes reference here. "An ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth." So it is not at all damaging to the scripture, but only in harmony with the other prophecies, that this be understood to be the ELECT JEWS, NOT THE CHURCH.
You err. 1.Cor 15:51+52 speaks of a mystery, when we ALL shall be changed.This mystery is fulfilled in Rev 10:7 at the 7th trump, the last one in revelation. the 7th trump does not rise the dead, scripture does not say that. It says, when the 7th angel sounds, the resurrection/Rapture happens, that means at the time of the 7th trumpet, the last one, Jesus will blow the trump of God, 1.Cor 15:52 says the same, at the last trump; the trump (of God) will sound. There are two trumpets blowing. At His 2. coming the Jews are called back to their land. But the gathering in the air is the Rapture and not the gathering of the surviving Jews., because they are brought by the Gentiles to Jerusalem in the beginning of the Millennium (Isa 66:20). the elect in Mat 24:31 are HIS blood bought elect (1.Peter 1:2)=NT Saints, Jews and Gentiles.
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape (all these things that shall come to pass), and to stand before the Son of man. There are more than 1 Rapture. Enoch, Elijah, Daniel and his two friends, Jesus, Church Age Saint, and also a 2nd Coming Rapture for those within the Tribulation Period. There are more than 1 Rapture. Keep that in mind!
@@gossman75 hi friend, I would have to disagree with you as scripture does not support your claim. There is 1 rapture of the church that takes place after the tribulation before the day of God's wrath which is the last day in which Jesus stated 4 times He will raise all who belong to Him on the last day. We the church are rev12v17 per sound scripture. Men of God have been killed since the start of the church, people today are beheaded for faith in Christ. The flesh is not the bride, the flesh gets beat up.
I'm leaning more and more toward a mid-trib pre-wrath view just after the sixth seal and before God's wrath the day of the Lord. Well before the God's wrath in the 7 bowl, cup, vial judgments. Seems to align with both Joel, Matthew 24 and Revelation. I haven't been able to see how full preterism or partial preterism could explain all the things written in Revelation very well e.g. 100 pound hailstones, wormwood, third of the earth dying, third of the trees and grass etc..
The apostle Paul said we leave by rank and order. We will leave in companies like a military procession out of here, in an orderly fashion through the open door. God sees his children as crops that need to be harvested. He also sees us as lights for his glory. There are 3 major crops: Barley, wheat, and grapes. Barley and wheat crops are the church. They are both planted at the same time, in the autumn. The barley matures faster than the wheat. The barley bride is harvested (departs) at pretrib at springtime. God has set times for these harvests. You can not be harvested until your ready! Barley is winnowed by the wind. Have you ever heard of pearl barley? That pearl of great price! She leaves in Rev 4 when she hears the voice as of a trumpet that says, "COME UP HERE!" SHE IS CAUGHT UP DIRECTLY TO THRONE ROOM! This is where she will be jointly ruling and reigning with her bridegroom. If there is a last trump, there is a first trump! As written in Songs of Solomon you will see what the other daughters are saying when they see the bride leave. These daughters are virgins...meaning they are saved believers. These daughters will cry aloud, "Return, Return oh Shulamite so we may look upon thee!" Why did they yearn to look at her? Christ was fully manifested in her and it was like seeing Christ shining from her face....that shekinah glory! The wheat is harvested on the threshing floor by a heavy wooden board with pegs called a tribullum. Tribullum is derived from the word tribulation. Wheat is sifted not winnowed. This is the great multitude that we will see in heaven in Rev 7. Christ was seen wiping the tears from their faces.They aren't given crowns and not seated in the midst of the throne. They are holding palm branches and are standing before the throne. The grapes are the 144,000 full overcomers of Israel caught up at midtrib, then The Time of Jacob's Trouble begins. There are 3 light companies: Sun glory saints, moon glory saints, and star glory saints.These companies coincide with the crops. Meditate on these things! Sun glory saints are still present while it is daytime and those saints are removed right before the night season of tribulation begins. Then the darkness of Tribulation is upon this world but, we have 2 other light companies that rule the night. The moon and the stars!!!! These lights hold back the forces of evil on this earth till they are caught up out of here by rank and order as the apostle Paul told us. When those lights leave God's wrath is poured out on this earth and gross darkness is here.
There's no rapture. Not one as presumed by evangelicals today. That concept began in the 1830s. If true, that means God left His followers blind to it for 1800 years. There will be a gathering of Christians at the time of his 2nd coming. Matthew says, "I will gather my people from the four corners of the earth." But it doesn't say he'll do it twice.
The irony of the Bride going through God's Judgement. I kind of picture this as God slapping the wife before getting married. LOL Pretribulation make more sense.
that's a bad argument! let me ask you this. you are simply looking at this from your time perspective the hear and now. are all of the Saints going back to the cross not the church? Saints? they are right? so what about John he was beheaded and all the Apostles? most were martyred. what about all the Christians that died at the stake burnt alive. what about all the Christians in china North Korea the middle East that die for their Faith. what did Jesus say. Luk 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake. Luk 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death. so now look at your statement and tell me what you think? By your statement the Bride has beaten for the last 2 thousand years, why would you think where any different? we will go thru tribulation refined as gold and Silver. 1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ the Rapture happens before the 7th seal. when the 7th Seal opens this begins Gods Wrath.
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@@BibleAnswerMan People seem to be confused about the end of the World... while in Matthew 24, Jesus is talking about the end of the Age... the Jewish age, (see R.C. Sproul, "The Last Days According to Jesus." I agree, all of it (besides resurrection of the dead) did take place before 70AD, and I have a dating of Revelation as being written before 70 AD.. Are you in agreement with this?
@Sam Samurai You obviously haven't read Ken Gentry's "Before Jerusalem Fell" nor RC Sproul "The Last Days According to Jesus" If Revelation was written in the 90's, why was John told to measure the temple, which was still standing? Which temple was that ??? Waiting for your dispensational, pre millenial, Darby and Scofield answer .
@Sam Samurai It's too bad you forgot the context. You'd do well to begin with chapter 1 verses 1-3 where he is addressing the 7 churches about things "which must shortly take place," and "for the time is near." 2000 plus years the time is near... or were these things about to happen. You cannot even get out of chapter 1 with your dispensational view. I stick with Chrysostom and Athanasius, all partial preterists,, not the new dispensational teaching that was 1800 years absent from the Church. It's always wonderful to talk to someone who knows more than the Church fathers. What an honor.
@Sam Samurai it was partial preterism, which all Church fathers agree upon. Not John Hagee's church, not Scofields. Yes, when Jesus said "this generation would not pass away," He was correct. 70 AD, temple was razed. Or does "this generation" mean something else?
Hank and CRI stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Christians of all stripes, the essential truth of Christ second appearance, the bodily return of the Lord, as the Nicene Creed puts it…. “…[Christ] was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried; and He rose on the third day, according to the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father, and He will come again with glory to judge the living and the dead. His kingdom shall have no end...” So, yes, of course.
@@BibleAnswerMan I understand that, but while not believing in "the rapture", I know many faith traditions still teach that a final horrific persecution/tribulation is yet to come, along with the grand poobah "Anti-Christ."
You talk in circles and theories. (KJV) Matthew:24, Jesus state's plain the prelude to the "END OF THE WORLD". And yes the "man of sin" will stand in a rebuilt temple, as spoken by Daniel the prophet. At least this is what Jesus state's plainly.
THE PRE TRIBULATION RAPTURE IS THE TRUTH!!! Never in the Bible has god brought his wrath without sparing his people not in Solomon Gomorrah not in Moses day and the plagues. Think on the time line the two witnesses with all gods power and miracles will come and preach for 3.5 years! Which means somewhere between the beginning and mid point of the 7 year tribulation we will be raptured 🤷🏾♂️
Before the rapture can happen. The gospel of Jesus Christ has to be preached to every ethno linguistic people group. Almost half have not been reached.
Depends on if you understand different dispensations or not. What was Paul's dispensation of Grace? Who was it written for? Who did Jesus Christ say He came to be a minister? All writings that pertains to Israel or the Jewish people covers the tribulation to the NEW KINGDOM. Paul's teaching to "Christians", that was what gentiles were called, covers Grace from Paul's ministry to the Antichrist taking power. The "rapture" Paul speaks of is before the antichrist taking power.
@@jthomas5226 Yea, i already called you out. You don't speak the truth. These are your words ---> The "rapture" Paul speaks of is before the antichrist taking power. This is what the BIBLE says ---> 1 Thessalonians 4: 15-17 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up (the rapture) together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. the dead in Christ shall rise first
@@LastDaySaintJames-fe4if You haven't "called" anyone out. All you have managed to do was to show your ignorance and the twisting of scripture. 1) Was Jesus Speaking spiritually or physically? 2) Have you eaten the flesh of Jesus Christ? 3) Were those "Believers" Jesus was speaking with? 66 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. You really need to pay attention to who Christ is speaking to at the time and what was the real question. You also need to study words: Lord's Wrath. God's Wrath. Who these are poured out on? Then ask yourself if "All" means "All" and does "everyone" mean "everyone"? What has to happen before the "rapture" Paul is speaking about? 1) Temple destroyed 2) Dispersion 3) Coming back to the land 4) Temple rebuilt None of that has occurred during Paul's letters. He was writing to those who thought the Lord had already come again. 5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Who is the restrainer? Satan or Demons? 🤔 The Church?🤔 Or the one who is Sovereign over "ALL"? 15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy.
@@jthomas5226 The restrainer is Michael, revealed in the book of Daniel. But why do you care who the restrainer is? You don't care about truth. 2 Timothy 3: 16-17 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
@@LastDaySaintJames-fe4if An angel has the power to restrain sin? 🤣😂😂 Better go read about the SOVEREIGNTY of God but you will never find the word in the Bible. It's implied all throughout. Hopefully other people will not be deceived by you.
Proof of A Pre trib Rapture. Pay Attention to the cloud and Cloud's Jesus appears in and With. Acts chapter 1 verses 9 10 11 Cloud. In Red Luke chapter 21 verses 27 and 28 Jesus is coming in A Cloud the Rapture. In Revelation chapter 1 verse 7 Jesus is coming With the Clouds when he comes back to the MT of Olives the second coming
Its called double aplication. Even if it happen before it can happen again. Biblical history is very cyclical . 2021 sounds like a very possible rapture. Daniel read it. 144,000 will be marked by Gods power salvation for jews in the wrath or Great Trib
To understand more on the great tribulation in Matthew 24, see www.equip.org/articles/apocalypse-when/ and www.equip.org/article/left-behind-from-root-to-ripened-fruit/
Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21 discuss the 6th Seal of Revelation, but NOT the 7th Seal. Prove me wrong! I think we need to DITCH the term, "GREAT TRIBULATION", because we all go through the 6th Seal, BUT NOT THE 7TH.
Dec 5th, 1995 was the day I got saved, almost 26 years ago now.
The biggest mistake I made as a new believer, was to listen to ministry and teachings of the word of God.From people like Hank, reading commentaries, teachings from the Church fellowship I went to and so on. My error was this, I failed to search the scriptures for myself to see if what I was being taught was true.
I was led away by many false teachings. I ignorantly trusted what I was being taught.
My advice to new believers and old alike is this, be a Berean.
A believer has the gift of the Holy Spirit to teach them. We have the promise that if we abide in Jesus, we will be a desciple, which is a student, one who is taught.
John 15:7-8
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
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I am not saying not to listen to or read teachings and such, just to be diligent, and study the word of God for the truth.
Amen🌼
@@strongroots2345 Thank you.
And an even purer motive for Bible study is to get to know Him and His heart of love for you. As your understanding of His love for you grows, your heart will open towards Him, more and more and will find ourselves trusting Him more and submitting more and more of our lives under His Lordship. That takes Bible study to a much higher realm than just the acquisition of knowledge. But that is a starting place that can/will evolve into something much, much more!
Thanks for the advice
I've listened to Revelation 120 times
The only Christians that get raptured
Are the Christians that overcome the Mark of the beast
All answers are found in the Bible . Before I read my Bible, I pray and ask God to give me wisdom to understand what I read. Because I don’t always understand His word and when u go to different pastors and Bible teachers for the answers, you will get various answers . So ask God, if you are abiding in Jesus and truly delight in Him, He will give u your hearts desires .
“Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come unless the falling away comes first and the man of sin is revealed, the son of destruction,” 2 Thessalonians 2:3
EXACTLY!🙏🏻🙏🏻
I just discovered that my thoughts on this verse had been completely wrong. Was a post trib guy, but now am a pre trib guy. The term falling away is the word apostasia. This same word is used in acts 21:21 for forsaken. Now look at what is right after forsaken, what is it? Moses is after it. What is after the words falling away? First is the word right. Yet how many believe this is a falling away of the church from christ even though christ nor the church is even mentioned in this verse. Now the word apostasia has another meaning departure or depart from. Now go back and re read Acts 21:21 and 2 Thessalonians 2:3 with depart from and departure in mind. And there you go, it was right in front of us all along, yet we believed other things over this.
Another example is in Luke 21:32-36. Why would jesus say escape these things if we are to go through them?
I know some would point me to matthew 24:15-31 and say well jesus says that after tribulation is when his elect are gathered. Who are the elect in this? They are the 144000 who are sealed by the angel in Rev 7. Jesus is referring here, Matthew 24:30-31, to his return to earth not the rapture of the church, which comes before as we meet him in the clouds, 1 Thessalonians 4:17, and not when he returns to earth, Rev 19:11-16 and Zechariah 14:1-4. The elect, Rev 7, who are on the earth at that time will then be gathered to him. While the great tribulation is taking place we, the church, will be in heaven at the marriage supper of the lamb, Rev 19:1-10. So the church will be taken up before the great tribulation and will return after with christ.
@@mahoneychris17 That is a really interesting observation. Another key word is “Tribulation”, THLIPSIS in Greek, which can also be translated affliction, anguish, pressure and PERSECUTION. It is the cause for seed sown on stony soil to wither. Many will fall away because of “the great persecution” Jesus foretold in Matthew 24. If we weren’t so caught up on equating “the tribulation” to Daniel’s 70th week and Jacob’s trouble and trying to make sense of the sequence of the end time events, we could recognize that the church will be, as she has always been, persecuted by the world as Jesus had taught the disciples. IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE PERSECUTION OF THOSE DAYS, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS’ LIGHT… the 5th seal in Revelation reveals persecution, the 6th seal reveals signs in the sun, moon and the stars that precede His coming and our gathering to Him then the 7th seal opens the scroll, the trumpets begin God’s wrath that concludes with the pouring out of the bowls. The elect will be caught up on The Day of The Lord before Judgement the same way God shut Noah in the ark the day the flood began and the same way Lot was taken out of Sodom by the angels the day fire rained down. If we read The Bible in context along with related passages and wait on The Holy Spirit to guide us, we will know the truth and not be in darkness. We all need to be ready with “loins girded” ready to stand when we face persecution.
@@Joel-dl1mx yes but the church has always faced persecution. In fact all but one of the apostles was martyred for the faith, which to them is that not great persecution/tribulation to those? What about those today who are dying for the faith are they not facing this persecution and tribulation of which you speak? The issue is when we look in luke jesus states that he provides the church an escape from those times that have yet to pass 21:36, he is speaking of the end times so why would he say be worthy of the escape if he intends us to go through it and not escape it?
@@mahoneychris17 I agree with you about past and present persecution of the church. My opinion is that Jesus was speaking about the period of God’s wrath (the seven trumpets and seven bowls that are revealed by the unsealing of the scroll) as in the days of Noah and Lot, that the church is not appointed to. Revelation 7:9-14 identifies an enumerable group before the throne and the Lamb from every nation, tribe and tongue praising God for their salvation. The angel tells John that they are those coming out of THLIPSIS MEGA that can be rendered “great persecution” as described by the opening of the 5th seal in Rev 6:9-11. Jesus said, “Immediately after the THLIPSIS of those days, the sun would be darkened, the moon would not give its’ light…” which is described in Rev 6:12 the 6th seal. In my opinion, there is perfect alignment between Jesus’ Olivet Discourse, Jesus’ Revelation given to John and Paul’s teaching to the Thessalonians.
PRE-TRIB RAPTURE is the most Unbiblical and the most Problematic Doctrine/Teaching of Rapture than the Mid Trib, Pre-Wrath, and Post Trib Rapture Doctrines/teachings... as I studied them all.
I have been a Christian for a long time and this is one of the most confusing topics. No one can agree on this issue
Well, it’s like this because God won’t allow us to know the day or hour, we just need to be ready
@@ItsInMyShortsvids But did He say no man will know the year or month? Either way yes let us be prepared.
We should all be preparing for the 7 year tribulation. The Antichrist, willie reveled, as a hologram in the sky. As if he was Jesus.
That is apparently what NASA and the government have been planning since 1983.
Also the pre Rapture theory, is a false doctrine. I've talked to everyone I know, and showed them scripture, and proof. You can look it up, youtube it, research yourselves people. What we were taught, was false and made up in the 1800's.
A lady had a dream, but even before that, someone else made that theory up. And here everyone is waiting to be Raptured up, they need to be preparing their minds, and life right with God now. It's almost too late. We're not even in that last hour anymore. We're in the final minutes...
Get your supplies right, stock up on everything.
The government had the capability, of projecting a false Jesus in the sky, to look like the dead will rise ect.
Its "project blue beam" 2 men wrote a book on it, they both died. One of the man's daughters were kidnapped.
Isn't it odd, both men who wrote that book, describing everything that will happen, with the false Messiah.
How else will the Antichrist fool anyone or everyone. Especially if Jesus supposedly raptured everyone up.
Does not make a lick of sense, does it.
Do the research yourself people. And ask your pastors and preacher's to research, when was the rapture theory made up.
Yes, there will be a rapture or we meet Jesus in the clouds, when he comes back, if we survive the 7 year tribulation. If we don't, we will be part of the dead who rise.
Those who are here for the 7year tribulation, will wish they were dead. Cause they will be tourchered, and made to bow down to the false Messiah, the Antichrist.
Well, look for his revealing. Because to many people are finding out about what I said,but no one knows about it, unless you read that book The blue beam project, and you definitely have to have read and studied the bible, for yourself, not just what you heard from pastors or ministers and preachers or priests.
Do your own bible studies and research.
God will make us All, fishers of men. It is up to everyone, who believes in him, to preach to everyone, and try and save as many people as we can.
Don't leave it up to the church. Heck, some states, like California, we we're not able to go to church. Now we're starting to go back.
I hope people read what I said, and do thier own research. Start your own bible studies.
The government, military, FEMA camps,
Yeah, we will eventually all have to take this vaccine, that supposed to track us for 2 years. And they are rushing everyone to get it, by May 1st, and July 4th. Why, think about it.
Also, the Rfid microchip, is here. Everyone like the younger generation Millenials, will think it is so cool, to have a chip in the hand. To pay for everything. Not knowing, that is the mark of the beast, the man who invented it, became a preacher. His story is on UA-cam. He passed away not too long ago.
Anyhow, I hope someone, even it just one person, reads what i have wrote, and does their research. It is so Interesting.
There is no pre tribulation rapture. And I will challenge that theory, with scripture, and proof, if anyone is willing to learn the truth.
Also, only certain Christians believe in that theory. No one else on the planet does.
That would be waiting on "The easy way out, to escape the tribulation ", and that is sad, because we who are all alive right now, are gonna find out everything, eventually everyone will know, that was a sadly mistaken false doctrine, to be teaching everyone. We should have been waiting for the evil false Messiah/Antichrist instead. And how to deal with that aspect of the story.
We will all have to choose to die for christ, and our salvation.
The government has purchased 30,000 guillotines, in 2013, and is storing them in Georgia and Montana, why is that?
That is not a conspiracy theory either.
So we should all be prepared for what is really going on. If we survive, when Jesus comes back, we will be raptured up, after all that evil stuff happens, but sadly he won't be coming before that.
It does not tell us that in the bible. Do not take scripture and change or misinterpret it.
God bless everyone!
This will answer the question. Did Noe enter the ark the day of the flood, or before the day of the flood? The selfsame day Noe entered the ark. If Noe entered the ark seven days prior as people teach, then the world stopped drinking, eating, marrying, and taken wives etc for seven days.
@@kendo64 The timing is known 1 Thessalonians 5:1,2
What matters today is only to know and love Jesus; so your last breath here on earth is greeted by your first breath in heaven and the outstretched arms of Jesus.
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Whether you are a pre or post trib believer, the most important thing is to be ready/prepared the moment it comes. You must be prepared always to die for your faith. The bible, I believe, did not give specific time of the rapture. Get excited to meet Jesus our King.
That's the problem, if your mindset is to be gone as soon as the trouble starts, your heart will not be committed for the long run, til the end, and they will fall away and be lost.
It states Jesus' return as "labor pains". Matt. 24 gives the signs leading up to His return. Just as a lady begins contractions, we know delivery is emminant, likewis Christ return. the exact "literal" day or hour is not know but the season is definately described, and we go thru the tribulation.
@@melbrew7 if u look at Matthew 24 as u read it Jesus is asked what will be the sign of his coming, he begins to tell the signs of the beginning of the great tribulation period in verse 15.
but the actual sign of his coming is given in verse 30.
But by the time the verse 30 sign is given the seven year period is over.
Verse 29 events happen immediately after the tribulation of those days.
What was the tribulation of those days?
Verse 21 identifies
"the tribulation of those days"
As the time of great tribulation, which is the last three and a half years of the seven year period.
So by the time the sign of his coming is given in verse 30-31 the seven year period is over, so there will be no pre trib, or mid trib rapture of the church we going through.
If u want to see the full layout of Revelation, and see all the things we are not being told I have 5 videos on UA-cam under the title.
Pt1 the pre wrath rapture and the third coming of Jesus.
To find the next video just type in what part your looking for like pt2 pt3 ECT and then type in the rest of the title.
U can understand what very few people in the world understand about Revelation.
@@melbrew7 Yep, we will go through the tribulation; and there are so many examples in the bible of times where God miraculously kept people safe, or provided for them to fulfill his will and purpose. God is fully capable of providing for his own, and keeping us safe during the tribulation, if that is his will and purpose. Some will be called to be a part of the living remnant. Some will be called to be a martyr for their faith. That last bit, that is what most professing Christians today absolutely refuse to believe! That many believe that all Christians will be "raptured" out of here before this time of great testing and trouble happens is going to lead many of them astray when the time comes! Interesting that in the three gospels that tell the story of Christ's return, Matthew 24, Luke 21, Mark 13 - In all three it starts the same way, with Jesus telling the disciples "Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many." It's like he knew that this issue was going to be part of an end time deception. Also interesting that the story is repeated three times in the Gospels; look up all of the examples where two or three witnesses are needed for a matter to be established. Very interesting indeed.
@@Mike.D.843 THANK YOU for the information. I never knew the correlation between the three gospels, concerning "not being deceived". Jesus really loves His own. His sheep hear His voice and follow Him, a stranger will they not hear! Hallelujah 🖐️🖐️
Brothers and sisters be ye ready ,the church Will have to endure till the end THERE'S NOT PRE-TRIBULATION RAPTURE,it will happen in one single final day AFTER the tribulation ,again be ye ready
Amen Roman, I do Videos on my You Tube Channel on this very Truth, you are welcome to watch!
Brother roman you're so wrong!
Jesus said that the day is coming when he'll take/rapture the righteous away before his wrath is poured out on the earth just as he did the day the flood came. Mathew 24. Luke 17.
And it will all happen before the tribulation when the people will still be able to eat and drink, and do all the stuff the people did in the days leading up to the flood, which will be impossible to do after the tribulation.
@@garvinsmith4555 brother,the point is that pre-trib believers think that the wrath of God is the great TRIBULATION, and that's actually wrong,the great TRIBULATION is one thing and the wrath of God is the final destruction of all things
The church is not appointed to wrath… period
@@BlessedMe023 sister,of course not,the church is not appointed to God's wrath,the mistake pre-tribs make is that they believe the great TRIBULATION is the wrath of God and that's a wrong interpretation of the scriptures,the wrath of God is IMMEDIATELLY AFTER the TRIBULATION Mattew 24:29
If you are supposing that there will not be a millennial reign of Christ on earth, you have not rightly divided The Word of Truth
I am with you and I believe Hank is as well. So what Hank said about the elect, (you and me) is correct. We will be with Christ as his chosen people. The Bible even talks about us helping him reign during the 1000 year period. The million dollar question to me, who are, where did they come from, the people we are going to care for during that time? Not Sure, Honest.
Yep, this guy is a preterist which is absolutely ridiculous and easily debunked with no problem
@@honestarizona4301 helping him reign as in physical form?
Mathew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Hi, all. My understanding is towards post tribulation rapture. The six seals of the book (Revelation) are the stages of the great tribulation. The sun being darkened and the moon refusing to shine/blood moon occur after the sixth seal has been opened. This ties Revelation 6 in with Matthew 24. Before the 7th seal is opened the 144000 of Israel are sealed on Earth. After this John sees a great multitude from all nations appear before the throne of God. One of the elders' tells him that they came out of great tribulation.
Absolutely - If you study the ancient Jewish wedding traditions (that's why Jesus said "I go to prepare a place for you"
The Bride is different, unique and separate from others who are also elect. At the moment we are betrothed, and in Revelation 19 (as Jesus prepares for the 2nd Coming) we are called the Lamb's wife.
Mathew 24 is about what will happen to Israel in 70 A.D. and during the second half of the Tribulation. It's not about what will happen to the church. Notice all the specifically Jewish references ..."the abomination that causes desolation"..."the temple"..." the sabbath"..."the rooftops"..."the Judean wilderness"..."the elect"..."the fig tree". Although people do accept Jesus Christ during the Tribulation, there is no church present...the Bible says that they hear the gospel from an angel (Rev 14:6) .The Bible also says that they all pay with their lives and none of them live through the Tribulation.
@@markanthony3275 How are rooftops Jewish? I think you're a little too focused on the earthly Jews. Btw modern day Jews aren't the same people as ancient Israel. First, they're only even claiming to be Jew/Jude/Judah, not all Israel, and also they are heavily watered down and changed genetically. The modern day Jews are neither Abraham's spiritual children nor are they even national Israel from the Bible. They're just modern secular Jews. I would think about recalibrating your focus on them.
God Bless Abraham's Children!!!!!!
God save the Jews.
May we all become as one flesh in Christ.
@@coryc1904 Oh I see...so God got it wrong when he said he would seal 12,000 from every tribe in Israel...(except Dan and Ephraim because they lead ancient Israel into idolatry after Judah and Benjamin went separate ways). Btw if you think that the Church has replaced Israel then you are indulging in heresy. The Bible clearly says in many places that God will use the Tribulation to refine his backslidden people Israel so that they "know him"...and in this process two thirds of them will die. But...you don't seem to have read the Bible...or if you have, you certainly don't believe it.
When the 2 witnesses are called up that's the 1st resurrection or rapture of the dead in Christ 1st then we who are alive and remain
The church has suffered persecution since our Savior’s ascension. Considering the profound number of verses admonishing us to endure, why would the Lord begin selectively choosing who is (& isn’t) to endure in the generation of Christ’s return?
Hmmm.... this man gives practically no bible references to support his statements, so it's impossible for us to follow him checking his conclusions with the bible. So I would put this very low down on the list of helpful talks on the subject.
Exactly my view
Absolutely right, we do not follow opinions but the truth of Gods word.
Hahaha I thought the same. There is more scripture quoted in the comments 😅
I thought the same thing too! He just says "nowhere does it say that".
The Truth is MORE important than life. This man reveals himself from the second the video rolls. There are many wolves in sheep's clothing brothers and sisters.
Good hunting David. I believe you sir.
My exact thoughts. It was as clear as day for me as well
Truth does matter. First off, the rapture is only for 144,000 people, so its almost not worth talking about, but for the sake of understanding, here is the truth.
First is the tribulation, which includes the first and second woe. Then is the return of Jesus.
When Jesus returns, 3 things happen: the resurrection of the dead in Christ, the rapture of the living 144,000, and then the Wrath of God (the 3rd woe).
If you reject this, you will be cut off and cast into the fires. Remember, the truth matters, and now you know why.
Repent if you haven't yet.
@@henrymiranda1440 backwards actually, and those that refuse to repent will be cut off. Now though, you cant use as a defense that nobody ever told you, and you can be held accountable for your arrogance.
@@henrymiranda1440 you didn't actually expect your arrogance to go unchecked did you? I mean, you knew you would have to repent of false doctrine, right?
Read the bible and make up your own mind. Don’t listen to babblers on UA-cam!
Or in pulpits as well?
@@seasidelife9742 - Sure. Pastors aren't infallible.
Ego, that is expressed through so called knowledge, is revolting to God!
A humble and a contrite heart the Lord will not despise!!
Random comment that is off topic, but good to read anyhow
You must use scripture to back your statements. Your lack of scriptural support here leaves me with mainly just your own interpretation.
Glad for your comment. I will not waste my time hearing people's theories without scripture
Will I be saved in the kingdom of God? if I misses the rapture and I go through the Tribulation and die .
@Sote Kapmini See this video on being saved > ua-cam.com/video/-TB_c9x8di4/v-deo.html
The great tribulation that Jesus taught about came to pass within the lifetime, i.e., generation, of those who heard the Lord predict the coming great tribulation. See this article www.equip.org/articles/apocalypse-when/
Of course, after the great tribulation that came to pass, many, many sinners were saved, are being saved, and will be saved. All this will go on until Christ appears again to judge the living and the dead.
In the end part of Zechariah 14:5 the prophecy says the LORD shall return with all His saints, they gotta be raptured first for that to happen, for it to be (all) saints. Leans toward pre-trib.
Post-Trib!
So I think the confusion comes with the following
There is a difference between tribulation & wrath
There is a difference between "The day of Christ" & "The day of the Lord"
The day of Christ = The Rapture
The day of the Lord = Jesus touches down and the 1000 years begin (After Tribulation)
The key verse is 1 Thessalonians @-17, but we need to read at least the verses before and after this verse to help get the correct context of the verse. As you know, the bible explains itself
Look what it says in (2 / 9)
2 = It says "Day of the Lord", not "Day of Christ" So it is referring to the rapture, but it is before the "Day of the Lord" as referred to in the below scripture
So the rapture will be After tribulation (Based on the context of "Day of the Lord" ) but right before the wrath of God ( 9 - We are not appointed unto wrath, it does not say tribulation)
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.
5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
2 Timothy @ KJV
12 Yea and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
This clearly says we will be persecuted, if we get raptured out, we will "avoid" this, hence contradicting scripture, which we know is not true! The bible does not lie!
What makes us more special than Jesus himself? The apostles? What about all the Christians under Nero....? They all went threw tribulation...Paul was not raptured out, he was beheaded... The Christians who were burned alive under Nero, they weren't raptured out What makes us more special that we will avoid it? That to me is a form of "Pride", the downfall of Satan. We must be very careful about this...
John @ KJV
33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
Matthew 24 KJV
-The verse before 29, it talks about the tribulation period... The when verse 29 starts, it clearly says AFTER
- Also, it contains trumpet & clouds, matching 1 Thessalonians @-17
- What did the angels tell the apostles when he went up that how will he come back? On a CLOUD
- The four winds refers to North, East, Weast & South
- From one end of heaven to the other (Earth/Sky is the first heaven, space is the second heaven & the third heaven is where the Throne is) - Based on scripture evidence
This clearly refers to the rapture - Please don't be deceived and have an open heart and be cognizant and aware! Jesus said deception will be our biggest downfall
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other
These are your words ---> The day of Christ = The Rapture
The day of the Lord = Jesus touches down and the 1000 years begin (After Tribulation)
DECEPTION.
@@LastDaySaintJames-fe4if Irrespective of your response, I believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross and shed his blood for us, hence I am saved. Your comment is useless and does not change my salvation status
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You can say you are saved all you want. But unless you have the spirit of truth in you....you are just lip service.
and by your comment, there is no truth in you.
@@LastDaySaintJames-fe4if God is truth, the Word is Truth. Believing in a specific event (Pre / Post-Trib) does not get you to heaven nor gives you salvation. Read your Bible and pray
@@armandkruger911 2 THES 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come. except there be a falling away first, and that man of sin revealed.
When there is no pre-tribulation rapture will you be part of the falling away? Apostasia? Because you keep waiting for Jesus before the tribulation, will you take the mark of the beast?
To all the mid and post trib believers, how do you explain babies and children taking the mark if there’s no pre-trib rapture?? Please explain I’m all ears.
The pretribulation, midtribulation, and postribulation rapture views all presume the great tribulation spoken about by Jesus is still forthcoming, and that we who are living in the twenty-first century are closer to that period of unparalleled suffering than ever before. But, this presumes too much.
Christ taught the great tribulation would occur within the lifetimes of His first century audience. The Lord even laments the dread that would come upon pregnant women and mothers nursing babes during the great tribulation (Matt. 24:19). No mention of a snatching away.
Please see the following article… www.equip.org/articles/apocalypse-when/
Your reference to Matthew 26:14 presumes too much. Are you saying Jesus already reigned with his holy kingdom here on earth already? If what your insinuating is true then Satan would have already been cast down into the lake of fire. That contradicts your point of the world already enduring the great tribulation. Also, Israel has just became a nation for the first time. They didn’t have the technology to implement and “enforce” the beast system either.
I listened to the entire debate with Hank H. and Mark Hitchcock last week on the "Date of Revelation". Other than a few moments now/then, that's all I had heard from Hanegraaff up till then. While I totally disagree with the position he takes on end times, he's a GREAT debater! I u/stand that just a few years ago, he had joined the Eastern Orthodox Church which came as a surprise to me.
You cannot have life with out truth and can’t have truth without life that first statement when it says truth matters life matters more...
Hard to know, what to believe. Each teacher is so adamant...its impossible to make personal conclusions.
Pray for discernment
The second chance for salvation after the “rapture” is one of the reasons I think pre-tribulation theory is errant.
I disagree with your interpretation
@@raedradha6403 Elaborate
@Behizy regurgitated
@@amyv. one sec are you pre or postrib
The pretrib is nonsense
"Shekinah Glory"? Can't find that word in my Bible. I think it is in the Talmud, however.
It's the cloud of glory you find in the old testament manifesting gods presence in the tent and later in the temple
@@PoesieUndGlaube You mean the holy spirit? There is already a biblical word for that in the old testament. From my research, "Shekinah" is nowhere to be found other than in post New-Testament Rabbinical writings. Oddly enough, it's a feminine word.
You are right, this idiom emerged later. They excerpt it from places like 1Kings 6:13 the word for "dwelling among" and had all the images of the cloud and fire and pillar of smoke in mind. Why do you find the feminine odd? Jesus describes himself as a hen in Mt 23,37. And God describes himself as compassionate in Exodus 34,6, which has the same root with the word for a woman's womb, see isaiah 49,15.
@@PoesieUndGlaube Those are good analogies, and biblical ones, to boot! But they are symbolic, they do not describe God himself, his utter being - they describe his qualities.
Here's a summary on the feminine aspect, just taken straight off of Wikipedia:
"In the imagery of the Kabbalah the shekhinah is the most overtly female sefirah, the last of the ten sefirot referred to imaginatively as 'the daughter of God'. ... The harmonious relationship between the female shekhinah and the six sefirot which precede her causes the world itself to be sustained by the flow of divine energy. She is like the moon reflecting the divine light into the world"
@@PoesieUndGlaube I have seen it with my own eyes. one time.
I do not believe in pre trib, but this is Hank’s worst theological view. He skated most of the time around it, but never says he’s believes Christ came already, he would have to conclude that if he was going to call Matthew 24 a completely past event.
Sir gd am, please read carefully the gospel MATTHEW 24 whole chapter , understand it, that chapter support the RAPTURE and the SECOND COMING of the SON Of THE LIVING GOD, Thats two event so that believer will not be confuse. Amen.
The Bible says they will lean on their own understanding.
If someone wrote a book on the end times about Matthew 24 and 2 Thess 2 and the book of Revelation in order for it to be correct in the future, what would be the correct study. The problem is the correct interpretation takes study. The following studies explain those passages of scripture.
MATTHEW 24
Many people have the context of Matthew 24 wrong. Many people don't know what happened on that day. This is what happened:
1. Matthew 24 1-2 was asked about the 2nd temple. This was done in the day time in public. Luke 21 37.
2. At that time Jesus gave Luke 21. Luke 21 had some parts about 2000 years future also.
3. So after hearing Luke 21, Jesus and the disciples walked to the Mount of Olives. On the Mount of Olives at night time, the disciples asked Matthew 24 3 about the ending of Luke 21.
4. These is a gap in time between Matthew 24 1-2 and Matthew 24 3. That makes all the difference in the world.
5. Let me rephrase Matthew 24 3 so people can understand. When will these things you talked about in Luke 21 earlier this day occur? And what will be the sign of your coming in Luke 21 24-28 and Luke 21 29-36 be?
6. Jesus was talking about the ending of 2 different ages in the end times in Matthew 24. Matthew 24 4-31 is in Daniels 70th week. There is no rapture in the 2nd half with Matthew 24 15-31. And Matthew 24 32-51 is the Pretrib rapture and has warnings for believers in this generation.
2 THESS 2
Many people are not understanding 1 Thess 5. That passage only has 2 events unlike 2 Thess 2 which has events in between. 1 Thess 5 has the rapture since we are of the day. We are sober. We are not appointed to wrath. And 1 Thess 5 has the day of the Lord at the 6th seal that starts as birth pangs on the wicked. 1 Thess 5 does not have the apostasy that will start after the pretrib rapture and 1 Thess 5 does not have the man of sin revealed at the 5th seal. Let me rephrase 2 Thess 2 so people can understand: Thessalonians do not be alarmed with a letter saying the day of the Lord at at the 6th seal has already started. That day will not start until the apostasy in the first half starts and the man of sin is revealed at the 5th seal midtrib. Now you know what is holding our gathering and all this evil to come. You are holding all this evil back. You are righteous and of the day. You are restraining all this back. There is no rapture in the 2nd half of Daniels 70th week after the antichrist is revealed midtrib.
THE BOOK OF REVELATION
How could everyone's interpretation of the end times be wrong? Could the literal interpretation of just three verses in the bible prove everyone wrong. These are the verses:
Zech 14 and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. 6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: 7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light. 8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. 9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
In Rev 1:7 it says every eye will see Him referring to the 2nd coming. Meaning in Russia and America and Africa and China and Europe and every place on earth. This will be a supernatural event. Will that event literally happen at evening time in Israel? Are we limiting God with our understanding of Armageddon and battles? Can God gather armies supernaturally? Can God destroy all the wicked in the entire world in just one day? I have been saying on the very last day of Daniel's 70th week immediately after the tribulation, Zech 14:6-9 will literally be fulfilled. On that day many interpretations will be proven wrong. Zech 14 6-9 is the day in Matthew 24 29-31 and in the book of Revelation it is the day of the 7th trumpet and all 7 bowl judgments. In the book of Revelation that day is Rev 10 7 and Rev 11 15 and Rev 14 14 and Rev 19 11.
With the pretrib rapture in the Fig Tree passages and the parable of the 10 virgins, what are the differences between that event and known passages of the 2nd coming?
In the pretrib rapture, no man knows the day or the hour. No man knows the watch. No man will know if it will be in the evening time or the midnight watch or when the rooster crows or at dawn. These are the watches for the Feast of Trumpets. At the shout at midnight the righteous are taken and the unrighteous are left behind. The ones left behind later ask for the door to be opened for them also. There is no eternal judgment at the pretrib rapture. The ones left behind are only told to depart from the Lord. The bridegroom is going to the wedding. When He appears, we become like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. The separation does not mention what time of day it is. The judgment on that day is the ones left behind are with the hypocrites.
On the day of the 2nd coming the day will be known. It will be the last day of Daniels 70th week. The watch will be evening time in Israel. Only the hour will not be known but it will be sudden. The correct translation is I am coming suddenly. On that day the wicked are taken and the righteous are gathered on earth. There is eternal judgment on that day. Many are told to depart into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels. The bridegroom is coming from the wedding. At His appearing the entire world mourns. The separation is in that night after the sun and moon are darkened. The judgment on that day is with unbelievers.
Mathew 24 is clearly the coming of the Lord for His elect. The same elect as Paul uses for the church, exact same word.
Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His[d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Exactly
You forgot the verse before when Jesus literally states, “immediately after the tribulation....”
@E RH Hello E, my new brother/sister in Christ! Yes I believe you are correct in thinking, seals then trumpets. You are not appointed to suffer Gods wrath, (7 bowls) and YES we will be here through the trumpets. Just remember that God will never leave you, never forsake you! And if you do get taken out somewhere along the way, just remember to be absent from the body is to be with Christ, (WINNING)! Smile. Just don't buy into a PRE-tribulation rapture! That was manufactured in 1830 by John Darby. It's my belief that once Jesus died, came back to life and ascended into heaven the tribulation began. After he conquered death, it started slow and easy and has been building up over time. That is why using a pregnant woman is a good example. Smile. With Love, Honest.
If you read Matt 24 that way you should be Pre Wrath rapture believer.
@E RH I don't believe you'll find the seals referred to as judgements or Gods wrath. Rather the seals are the wrath of antichrist.
Truth does matter. First off, the rapture is only for 144,000 people, so its almost not worth talking about, but for the sake of understanding, here is the truth.
First is the tribulation, which includes the first and second woe. Then is the return of Jesus.
When Jesus returns, 3 things happen: the resurrection of the dead in Christ, the rapture of the living 144,000, and then the Wrath of God (the 3rd woe).
If you reject this, you will be cut off and cast into the fires. Remember, the truth matters, and now you know why.
Repent if you haven't yet.
What evidence do you have that Revelation was written prior to 70 AD?
Hank addresses the AD 70 dating of Revelation along with the rest of the NT in this article > www.equip.org/bible_answers/was-revelation-written-before-or-after-the-destruction-of-the-temple-in-ad-70-/
See also…
Hank Hanegraaff, The Apocalypse Code: Find Out What the Bible Really Says About the End Times and Why it Matters Today > www.equip.org/product/the-apocalypse-code-paperback/
John A.T. Robinson Redating the New Testament > www.equip.org/product/redating-the-new-testament/
@@BibleAnswerMan ok, so he says that it is weird if you write a history book and fail to mention a significant event. Then he says that john couldnt have been after ad 70 because he doesnt mention ad 70.
The argument is weirdly circular. Revelation is NOT a history book. It is a prophetic book. If it was written after ad 70, and is foretelling FUTURE events, it does not follow that he should mention past events.
The King said to talk to Him about this matter in Luke 21:36. There is some kind of escape. Pray, pray, pray
So if there is no salvation after the second coming of Jesus, what's the point of sending the two witnesses for?
What about Matthew 24:29-31, it says after the tribulation (post-trib), the angels shall gather the elect? Aren't those proof of post- trib rapture?
@@seasquawker Could you please answer directly, is there salvation after the Rapture, the second coming of Christ, and on the judgment seat of Christ?
I would suggest that passage you talked about where you said that which now restrains is the Holy Spirit in the context of that passage the holy spirit is not mentioned so that's just injecting the Holy Spirit into that. Read Daniel chapter 1 where it says Michael stood up look in the Hebrew at what it means when it says he stood up
There is no rapture EVERYONE will have to endure the 7 year tribulation period until his second coming and then you’ll get to see it, if your even alive after all the natural disasters plague, famine, war, persecution, mark of the beast, and a cashless society
Are we in that era.
Please don’t imply that people who *have* read the entire Bible, but don’t remember everything they’ve read, of having never read the whole Bible. I’ve read through the whole Bible, but I don’t claim to be a Biblical expert because of that-not even close. ❤️ When it comes to Biblical prophecy, I honestly feel pretty lost. My pre-trib rapture viewpoint has been recently shaken. I’m trying to reevaluate, but it’s not easy. 🙂
The sacrifice of Christ benefits all truly repentant sinners who have sincere faith and trust in Christ, but this benefit is conferred as God automatically baptizes all true believers in the Holy Spirit, which places them "into" the Body of Christ (1Cor.12:13) --and that "Body" is the Church (Eph.--1:22--,23), with the result that all believers are "IN Christ" (2Cor.5:17). Being "in Christ" is the place of justification (Gal.--2:17--), redemption and forgiveness of sins (Eph.1:7). What's more, Paul teaches that a person who is in the body of Christ, has died to the requirements and condemnation of the OT law (Rom. 7:4,6) ---and thus, anyone who is not in the body of Christ remains condemned by the law (Rom.--2:12-- ; Gal.--3:10---11 ; Jas.--2:10--). There is no other place, than in Christ's body, for those spiritual transactions in the NT. It will only be people "in Christ" (and in his body), who have been crucified with him, who have died and been burried with him, and are made alive with him (read Rom.6:1-10). For anyone to be saved, God places Jews or Gentiles "in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross" (Eph.--2:16--)... and that one body of reconciliation is the Church (Eph.--1:22---23). There will never be any other way to justification, reconciliation to God, redemption, resurrection and eternal life, than by being "IN Christ," which is in his body --the Church-- ...and anything else is another way of salvation (and really, another gospel) than is found in the Bible. --It would take some major explaining to tell how a person could be "in Christ" but not in his body (the Church). If the tribulation saints are not in Christ's body, then how are they saved? --Consider especially verses like Romans 12:5, which says, "so in Christ we who are many form one body." Paul says explicitly there that being "in" Christ means being in his "body", and he uses those two ideas as being inseparable. ---Biblical Christianity can never advance any other way of justification and redemption, other than being "IN Christ."
So, the pre-trib notion of a group of "tribulation saints" who are saved and redeemed during the tribulation, but yet are not part of the body of Christ (the Church), is actually a contradiction in terms, which rests on very shabby theology that undermines the biblical doctrine of salvation. ---The true situation during the tribulation will be: there will be Spirit-baptized saints who are "washed ...in the blood of the Lamb" (Rev.7:14), so, they are blood-bought and justified saints; they will be born-again Christians "who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus" (Rev.12:17), and who "remain faithful to Jesus" (Rev.14:12).
--And very crucial for this discussion: note those saints who "die IN the Lord" during the Great Tribulation (see Rev.14:12-13 with 6:9-11) ...remembering from our previous discussion, that being "in the Lord," or "in Christ," is precisely the NT description of a believer who is part of the Church, the body of Christ!
Thus, there is no possible way that these tribulation "saints" can not part of the Church. --They must be.
The corporate body of Christ first came into being when believers were first baptized in the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost (Acts 1:5 & 2:1-4). Since then, every true believer is automatically placed into the body of Christ by the Baptism in the Holy Spirit (1Cor.12:13), so that all believers are "in Christ" (and this must --since the Acts 2 day of Pentecost-- include all Old Testament saints, as well as tribulation saints). Redemptive union with Christ, in his body (the Church), has always been God's plan for all believers of all ages. Paul says that Jesus is the Savior of "his body" (Eph.5:23), and it would take some major explaining to show that he is the Savior of anybody else. Anybody who is not part of the body of Christ, therefore, will not be saved. Jew or Gentile, there is no other provision in all of eternity for the salvation of sinners other than by being in the body of Christ. --So, unavoidably, since there are saved people on earth during the tribulation, the body of Christ, the Church, must be present on earth at that time.
Since the "Church" is clearly on earth during the Tribulation, there is no reason to say that the Church is evacuated just before the Tribulation begins.
Obviously, those who "die in the Lord" during the tribulation will be part of Christ's body, the Church, and they too (like all who are in Christ) will rise at the first resurrection and be raptured (1 Thess.4:16-18). Thus, the rapture must follow the tribulation, during which those tribulation saints "die IN the Lord."
I have that saved in my files on my computer, its simple, pre trib gives a separate gospel. There is no longer jew or gentile, those in rev 12 v 17 are part of the church, the church are in the one body of Christ. we are part of the two witnesses hence the two olive trees and lampstands that make the one body the church. God choose us to be part of that last generation, we will bring many to Christ in the last days.
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Thank you for all of this, but I don’t see being in Christ as an issue? Unbelievers will be saved during the tribulation and will then be in Christ.
Perhaps you meant that the church needs to be here in order to share the gospel? That’s definitely a great point, but, there will also be lots of material left behind, and many unbelievers will have already been exposed to the gospel, so these people could definitely change their minds and then spread the gospel to others.
That being said, I’m not convinced we’ll be raptured, and nobody can say for sure, as the Bible is not entirely clear about it, which is why there is so much controversy on this topic among biblical scholars.
I actually think that the first seal has possibly been opened, so there goes a pre-tribulation rapture theory, Ha! However, it does seem to me that believers possibly get raptured after the fifth seal is opened, but not before experiencing great hardship.
God bless everyone, and no matter what, endure until the end and stay faithful to Jesus, brothers and sisters! 🙏🏻 Hebrews 10:32-39.
6:1-2 🏵 1st Seal
* WHITE Horse
* The rider had a BOW (**no arrows) 🏹 **Bow is from the Greek word toxon, which the word toxin came from. Arrows were often poisoned, and bow also meant “poison.” This may represent the vaccine?
* He was given a CROWN **Corona 🦠 means crown. 👑 Crown can also symbolize POLITICAL POWER. We don’t yet have a one world government, but there IS a great power “conquering” the world. 👑 🌎
* He went out “CONQUERING.”
6:3-4 🏵 2nd Seal
* RED Horse (red for WARFARE and bloodshed?) 🩸
* He was given a great SWORD 🗡
* Takes away PEACE on earth. 🖤🌍
* PEOPLE will KILL each other. **This could refer to the people administering the vaccine (not that all are aware it’s harmful). Or, will the vaccinated become violent?-possibly due to the nanotechnology, graphene, spike proteins entering the brain, etc?
6:5-6 🏵 3rd Seal
* BLACK Horse (represents FAMINE)
* Had a pair of SCALES ⚖️ in his hand. **Scales could also mean “yoke” (a heavy burden). The yoke could be the vaccine passport?
* A LOAF of wheat 🌾 bread 🍞 or 3 loaves of barley will cost a DAY’S PAY.
* DO NOT HARM the OIL and WINE. 🍷 **Oil & wine may represent those filled with the Holy Spirit? 🕊 Oil fills the lamps 🪔(churches), and we are part of the vine 🍇 (where wine comes from)?
6:7-8 🏵 4th Seal
* PALE (green) 🤢 horse. **May indicate plagues.
* The rider was named DEATH, and HADES (**where the spirit goes upon death) followed with him.
* They were given power over a FOURTH of the earth-to KILL with SWORD, 🗡 HUNGER, and by WILD ANIMALS. 🦁
@@PeaceIsYeshua Hi friend, so Jesus says in John 4 times He will raise ALL who belong to Him on the last day, all means all and last means last, this includes those in rev 12 v17. We the church are part of the two witnesses, hence the two lampstands and olive trees that form one body in Christ. Jesus doesnt come for His arms then yrs later His legs lol, He is clear He does it all at the same time on the last day. Another very interesting thing I have learned, the book of rev was not written normal, it was written in exploded view map style, seals, trumps, vials take place at the same time, the 7th is the last day which is the one day of Gods wrath, just as the 7th sounds, we meet Jesus in the clouds )not heaven because the dead raise until the heavens be of no more per Job), we then go with Jesus to Armageddon as His army.
@@PeaceIsYeshua have you heard of AOC network? that pastor does some real amazing work on his videos. Watch the two witnesses movie, part 1 and 2. He goes over all theories on the two witnesses and compares it to scripture from both old and new testament , scripture is very solid who the two witnesses are. exciting times we are in friend!
Glory to God for the story of Noah getting into the ark BEFORE the flood, not after. Just make sure you're in the True Ark, Jesus Christ/ Yeshua Ha'Mashiach. God has warned us it'll be fire next time.
Well said, my brother.
Matthew 24:29-31 is Ressurection/Rapture/Parousia unto Eschaton here..its just that plain and simple and Jesus himself told us this! Why do we have so many disagreements here?
@MarkCurtis-eh3ue Well, if resurrection and rapture and parousia are simultaneous, good point, and Amen!!!. See www.equip.org/article/left-behind-from-root-to-ripened-fruit/
I beg you believer search the scripture, don't believe some preacher you like. The rapture and the second coming are the same thing.matthew 24:29-31, 1 thessalonians 4:13-17 , 2thessalonians 2, 1 Corinthians 15-50-52 revelation 7 . Please ask God for wisdom in faith believing
Pre-Trib Rapture Proof.... 1 Thes 5:9... 1 Thes 1:10... Mark 13:32... Rev 3:10... John 14:1-4
Mid-Tribers try to answer this one: See 1 Thes @ and Mark 13:32... Does the 'wrath to come' have anything to do with the 'hour of temptation' (testing) that will try them that dwell on earth?
Keep means to continue through , not remove. Rev 3:10 is not a rapture passage
Correct. Revelation 6: 15-17.
@@dobysmith744 ..."Keep from" means keep from.... not keep 'through'..... believers have nothing more to prove to their Bridegroom and the Bride doesn't want to go thru the hell of the Tribulation for her honeymoon......
@@afzalali9531 .....who are you saying is correct?
@@janechristian9130 Hi Jane. Shalom. Pre-Trib rapture is correct based on Jewish Marriage customs where the bride has to fulfil her week i.e. to consummate the marriage in the bridal chamber. Genesis 29:27. This represents the church being raptured to heaven to be judged for rewards according to our works while the trib. is taking place on earth to cleanse it from sin and made ready for our Lord Jesus to come and rule for 1000yres. with his church.before the 7 yr. Also in Revelation 6: 12-17 it says clearly that it is the wrath of Jesus . Do you think that Jesus will batter his bride before taking her to be with him? Also read Ephesians 5:25-33. it is about love in marriage union and not violence,This is a great mystery as it is about Christ and the church. Greater love hath no man than this, that Jesus laid down his life for us. You could view my messages on You Tube :: Scriptural Evidence For A Pre-tribulation Rapture and Jewish Marriage Customs Analogous To Jesus And The Church. Hope this would clear it up. Let's keep looking for our Saviour's glorious appearing when he will change our vile bodies and fashion it like unto his glorious body. Phillipians 3:20-21.God bless and take heed that no man dece
You’re interpreting scriptures wrong, we’re not appointed to wrath.
The Bible never uses the word wrath interchangeably, or as an alternative to define tribulation.
@@dobysmith744 Revelation 3:10
King James Version
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
1 Thessalonians 5:9
King James Version
9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
@@CoolMia-5772 keep is to continue in a course, not remove. Other scripture records THROUGH the temptations he [God] will provide a away of escape. Going through is not removing..
@@CoolMia-5772 provide a scripture where wrath is used interchangeably to define tribulation. The day of the Lord is wrath and anger Isiaiah 13:9.
Tribulation is defined as sorrows, persecutions, trouble ,affliction etc
@@dobysmith744 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.
4 Which is an adversary, and exalteth himself against all that is called God, or that is worshipped: so that he doth sit as God in the Temple of God, showing himself
I’m not talking about your daily trials and tribulations. I’m talking about THE GREAT TRIBULATION. Give me one verse that says saints of God will be going through THE TIME OF JACOB’S TROUBLE (ISRAEL) as believers of Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour.
Matthew 24:29-31
[29]Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
[30]And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[31]And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Are we left to assume , that if there would be no pre or post trib rapture , that Christ is not coming back for his church (ecclesia)? 1 COR 15:52...It should at least be expounded as to what is our hope!
Do you believe all of the pre trib believers are afraid or unwilling to suffer for Jesus? How many of us Christians have suffered and died for Jesus in the last 2000 years? Did they not go through tribulation? Do not reject the Blessed Hope, the glorious appearing of our Lord and Saviour: Christ Jesus, as we look forward to being united with Jesus for our marraige to Jesus in Heaven, then we return with Jesus to Earth to live in the New Jerusalem, where there will be no more pain and suffering. Do not steal the joy of all of us believers in Christ Jesus, as we look forward to His return for us at any moment, without any prophetic sign or event to take place. Come Lord Jesus, may today be the day You return for Your Bride, the Body of Christ, the Church. Peace and Maranatha.
when covid19 came to many said no pre trib rapture, only post or mid trib, you must read the whole bible both old and new testament
The term "rapture" is overthrowing many people's understanding. It disconnects people from the biblical idea of the resurrection that both testaments mention. There are 2 resurrections, only 2. The resurrection of the just and the resurrection of unjust Dan 12:1-2, John 5:28-29, Acts 24:14-15. Both resurrections occur on the last day as alluded to by Christ John 6:38-54. The last day is also called the Day of the Lord, the Day of Christ, the millennial reign and the two resurrections are separated by the span of 1000yrs Rev 20. The last day is after Daniel's 70th week Dan 12:1-2, Matt 24:15-31, 2 Thess 2, Rev 20. The 1st resurrection will include those that have received HIS Spirit after Pentecost and all the old testament righteous Christ preached to in the lower part of the earth from Adam to the thief on the Cross 1 Peter 3:19-20. Pray about it but definitely be ready 1 Pet 4:1.
Matthew 24. Immediately after the tribulation
My brother, maybe you're the one to help me to understand something. Jesus said that the things that were done by the people living in the days leading up to the first judgment will be repeated by the people living in the days leading up to the second judgment. My question to you is this. If the second judgment is going to occur after the tribulation just as you think, won't it be impossible for the people living in the days leading up to the second judgment to be marrying and giving in marriage, to be buying and selling, planting and building when the sun has been darkened, and the moon no longer gives her light, when the stars have fallen from heaven and the powers of heaven have been shaken? I mean, that's what the days would be like after the tribulation. After all, it was the lord who said it. And we both know what He says always comes to pass. But, If you think that it will be possible for people to do those things during those days, please tell me how. It'll be very much appreciated.
@@garvinsmith4555 i think elitists will have bunkers so they can still do those things. Notice the tribulation is for the most part caused by exposure. Hail/darkness/scorching heat won't effect those under ground as much as those on the surface. Bear in mind when Satan kills the 2 witnesses, the entire world celebrates. Perhaps that's part of why the third seal says not to damage the oil or the wine... Revelations 6.6.
I have read the biblical text on this topic, in deep study fashion, and the truth is, The "Pre" and "Post" Rapture views are simply not Biblical. The clear Biblical Rapture view is the Middle of the 70th week. Some People call that "Mid-Trib" with is really not a correct way to lablel it either. It is in the Middle of the 70th week just before The Day of The Lord starts, but after the birth-pangs which includes great distress and persecution on earth. These Prophecies were NOT referring to AD 70 and the destruction of the Temple. The Day of The Lord all throughout Scripture is a Global catastrophe, Not a localized one as in AD 70.
The PRE-WRATH rapture makes Biblical sense.
I would like to ask a question? According to this take on the rapture et cetera are you have just shared, do you believe that Jesus can still return now at any time in that case?
@Mark Saunders Gospel Truth ~ Yes. When Jesus Christ appears again, the dead shall be raised from the graves. The saints shall be resurrected to eternal life in a new heaven and new hearth and the sinners to eternal condemnation in the lake of fire (Acts 1: 9-11; John 5:28-29; 1 Cor. 15:1-58; 2 Cor. 5:9-10; Heb. 9:27-28; Dan. 12:2; Rev. 20:11-12).
Nothing in the Bible ever tells us that the Church will be removed from the earth seven years before the Second Coming of Jesus.
Nobody knows the day or hour when the Son of Man returns. Christ can come at any moment.
This is explained in the following articles…
www.equip.org/articles/apocalypse-when/
www.equip.org/article/left-behind-from-root-to-ripened-fruit/
www.equip.org/bible_answers/when-do-we-receive-our-resurrected-bodies/
@@BibleAnswerMan thank you for taking the time to reply it is appreciated. I know you are busy. is there a way I could email you? Im on a journey I think you could identify with. Im willing to share my email here if that helps?
You can message the CRI using the online form at www.equip.org/contact/
Hank Hanegraaff is unfortunately unable to personally respond to the hundreds of letters and emails he receives, which is why he depends on the CRI team for responses.
@@BibleAnswerMan Jesus said 4 times in John He will raise ALL who belong to Him on the LAST day. Last means last, all means all unless you want to add or take away from the word. Rev 12 v 17 belong to Christ. Jesus doesnt come back for us until the last day which is the day of Gods wrath, we meet Jesus in the clouds right before God pours His wrath that day. Rev 16.
@@BibleAnswerMan My brother you said nothing in the Bible ever tells us that the Church will be removed seven years before the second coming of Christ. No, not in those words. But according to the words of Lord Jesus, the things that were done by the people living in the days leading up to the first judgment will be repeated by the people living in the days leading up to the second judgment. And if the second judgment is going to occur after the tribulation as you have suggested, won't it be impossible for the people living in the days leading up to the second judgment to be marrying and giving in marriage, to be buying and selling, planting and building and doing all of the stuff the lord said they'll be doing when the sun has been darkened, and the moon no longer gives her light when the stars have fallen from Heaven, and the powers of heaven have been shaken? These things must come to pass before the final judgment. And these things can only come to pass before the tribulation when it is still possible. This is the reason why pre-tribbers believe that the tribulation Marks the beginning of the destruction of humanity which will happen seven years before the second coming of Christ.
The seventeenth week of Daniel is a real thing. The problem is people mix up the great tribulation, which is basically when the anti Christ's reign starts to fall apart and the world wars and the universe starts to deteriote, with the day of the Lord. They are two separate things. First the resurrection then the day of the Lord and the end of the anti Christ's reign of seven years.
How do you know do you have proof of this ?
"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down." Hmmmm. Who was Jesus talking to?
the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be?
@@jamescole3152 That's it.
The destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.
My brothers and sisters,
Here are some biblical topics that you should know to understand the minds of Jesus, His prophets and His disciples.
If your pastors never talked about those topics, you are still a baby in Christ, you have not matured and you’re way behind, and you need to catch up. When you read the texts about these topics, do not just stay on the surface of the waters, go deeper!
1. 7 days of creation;
2. Prophecies of Noah to his 3 sons;
3. Promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob;
4. Prophecies of Jacob to Joseph’s 2 sons;
5. Blessings of Jacob upon his 12 sons (tribes);
6. The song of Moses;
7. Tabernacle of witness;
8. 7 feasts of God;
9. 2 houses of Israel;
10. 2 witnesses in Revelation;
11. The statue of Nebuchadnezzar;
12. 4 animals in Daniel;
13. Ram and goat in Daniel;
14. 70 weeks in Daniel;
15. 2 beasts in Revelation;
16. Great Babylon in Revelation;
17. 4 horses in Zachariah;
18. 4 horsemen in Revelation;
19. 7 churches;
20. 7 seals;
21. 7 trumpets;
22. 7 bowls;
23. 1st resurrection;
24. Millennium of Jesus Christ on Earth;
25. The temple of Ezekiel;
26. 2nd resurrection;
27. Final judgment;
28. New Jerusalem.
Amen brother Hank 🙏
Mattew 24 verse 29,30&31 signs of coming of Christ.But we don't know the day and the hour.
A person can’t read Matthew 24 and ever come up with a pre tribulation rapture. Jesus himself tells us when it would be in verse 29. “Immediately after the tribulation” What is it about “after” that so many Christians just don’t understand. It doesn’t mean before and it doesn’t mean in the middle it simply means after.
Jesus was talking to four of his disciples and was answering their question of what will be the sign and when will it happen.
Did they understand what Jesus was saying, go and check with marks account and lukes account and read what they said. They have no doubt as to what Jesus had said so here we have two witnesses testifying of what was said.
I believed in a pre trib rapture for over 70 years until I thought I would do my own research as to whether it was pre trib or post trib. It finally hit me as though it was hidden there all the time in plain sight. I still wonder to this day how on earth did I not see this earlier on.
Jesus also said that tribulation in Matthew 24 would have within a generation. The tribulation of course refers to the events surrounding the fall of Jerusalem and destruction of the temple in AD 70. See www.equip.org/articles/apocalypse-when/ and www.equip.org/article/left-behind-from-root-to-ripened-fruit/
You make a lot of assertions by simply saying "there is no Biblical basis." The problem is you fail to address much of the scripture that in fact absolutely does address the rapture, the dead raising. While you correctly stated there is no basis for a pretribulation rapture, let me give you a few scriptures to support a post tribulation rapture.
Concerning the timing of the rapture read Rev 6:12-17, Rev. 11:15-19, Rev. 16:16-21. The three passages describe the culmination of the vials, trumpets, seals. As you read these passages you will see that they all end by describing the exact same event.
Also look at 1 Corinthians 15: 51-53. Note that Paul states that the dead in Christ rise first and we are changed, taking off corruption and putting on immortality. And when does this occur? At the last trump. I have a ton of more scripture that proves the post tribulation, but I won't make this too long.
Finally, you stated that there is no 7 years of tribulation. That is absolutely correct. This idea is taken from Daniels 70 week vision found in chapter 9. The Bible tells us exactly how long the "great tribulation will be. Rev.12 tell us that the great tribulation is Satan's wrath no God's. I also states that the antichrist would rule for 1260 days (3.5 years) this time frames is mentioned again towards the end of chapter when woman was protected for time, times, and half a times. (3.5 years
Revelation 13:5 states that the beast would have power for 42 months (3.5 years) Also note that both Revelation 12 and 13 state that the beast is persecuting saints of God (also referred to as the elect).
I believe the primary purpose of the Rapture is to spare God’s children from the horrors of the seven-year Tribulation. In Revelation 3:10, Christ told the church at Philadelphia, “Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.” Consistent with that promise, John’s vision of the Tribulation never mentions the Church’s presence on earth.
God’s promise that the dead in Christ and those alive at the time of the Rapture will be “caught up together… to meet the Lord in the air” comforted readers of that day, and it comforts us as well. Indeed, “There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus” (Romans 8:1). For believers, judgment day already happened at the cross of Calvary (John 16:11).
According to the apostle Paul, the Rapture will set in motion a series of events that will lead up to Christ’s Second Coming. “He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming” (2 Thessalonians 2:7-8). This Restrainer is the Holy Spirit who indwells the Church. Presently, the Spirit’s righteous presence on earth, working through the Church, holds back the flood of evil. Removing the Church will also remove the Holy Spirit’s restraining influence from the land and usher in the Antichrist’s reign.
The Church will remain in heaven until Christ comes back to earth to receive the Kingdom prepared by His Father. Then, we will return with Him and share in His inheritance (Matthew 25:34). In Revelation, John sees God’s people as the Bride of Christ, “arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints” (Revelation 19:7-8). Six verses later, John envisions Christ accompanied by “the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean” (Revelation 19:14). This glorious occasion will outshine anything in the history of the world. May the Lord find us ready and waiting!
Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
There are several raptures and resurrections mentioned in the bible - these are the most important ones and they obviously do not happen at the same time
A. Enoch is caught up / taken / raptured [Genesis 5v24 + Hebrews 11v5-6] - A type for the church (faith)
B. Elijah is caught up [2 Kings 2v11] - A type for Israel
C. The resurrection & rapture/ascension of Jesus (First) [Matthew 27v52-54 + Acts 1v9-11]
D. The resurrection & rapture of many of the saints (directly after His resurrection) [Hosea 6v2 + Matthew 27v52-54]
E. The resurrection & rapture of the church [1 Thessalonians 4v16-17 & Rev 4v1] (Pre-trib)
F. The resurrection & rapture of the two witnesses [Rev 11v11-12] after 1260 days (Mid-trib)
G. The rapture of the 144000 [Rev 14v3] (most certainly before the second coming, probably mid-trib/pre-wrath)
H. The resurrection of those who were beheaded [Rev 20v4] and the ingathering of the elect to Jerusalem from the four corners of the earth and heaven [Mark 13v26-27; Matthew 24v29-31 & Jude 1v14] (The ingathering of the elect on earth is a type of rapture - like Philip in Acts 8) (at the second coming)
I. The resurrection of those who are to be thrown into the Lake of Fire [Rev 20v12-15] The End of days ~ KJV
[When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.] Colossians 3v4
Enoch was never raptured to heaven. Jesus said no man has EVER ascended to heaven, but he who came from heaven.. Enoch was mentioned among all those in Hebrews 11:13 who died. His days being numbered supports he died.
@@dobysmith744 It depends which heaven Jesus was talking of. Do not twist scripture - you do so to your own destruction
@@dobysmith744 There is the 3rd heaven where Paul went and there is the abode of God where no natural man has ever been - if they did they would die instantly
What a trip! I think the caller was further confused...
LOL
I know i was. That answer wasn't helpful.
none are true about a rapture, this is a recent theory from darby were he got mixed up about the first resurrection of the saints in revelation shortly before jesus comes. everyone will go through the tribuation unless you die before it starts.
The tribulation in the New Testament was referring to apostate Jerusalem and the temple being destroyed in 70 AD, which the book of Hebrews describes as an "earth shaking event".
That's not correct. Ireneaus, Victorinus, Cyprian and other early church fathers wrote about rapture. It was not initiated by Darby.
“Those nations however,
who did not of themselves raise up their
eyes unto heaven, nor returned thanks to
their Maker, nor wished to behold the light
of truth, but who were like blind mice
concealed in the depths of ignorance, the
word justly reckons “as waste water from a
sink, and as the turning-weight of a balance
- in fact, as nothing;”….And therefore,
when in the end the Church shall be
suddenly caught up from this, it is said,
“There shall be tribulation such as has not
been since the beginning, neither shall
be.”(2) For this is the last contest of the
righteous, in which, when they overcome
they are crowned with incorruption.”
- Against Heresies 5.29 Irenaus
I will submit the timing Rapture its not in the Bible explicitly but implicitly. Otherwise, you have to look at 70A.D. and really ask questions from a historical perspective. Did the Roman general Titus walk into the temple and declare himself to be God? Did Emporer Vespasian require all in the Roman empire to receive a mark on the right hand or forehead? Did Jesus visibly set up his kingdom on earth and is He visibly sitting on his throne in Jerusalem? No. If you take the view that the tribulation was 70 A.D. then you have to allegorize the scriptures to fit that narrative. Truth is these prophecies are yet future.
@@brettsartain6889 as i stated earlier the bible does speak of the elite/chosen ones/first fruits/144000, these are all one group, they get aresurrection just before jesus comes back to rule and they come with him to rule as kings and priests, they all come from the twelve tribes of israel. Rapture is not mentioned in bible but resurrection is. but the recent rapture theory from the dispensatinal movement in the 1830s changed the resurrection of the saints to then mean all christions would go up to heaven which is wrong
@@brettsartain6889
The truth is Revelation was fulfilled in the 1st century. The Caesars used believe they were gods. The "mark of the beast" was Caesar worship in 1st century Asia minor and the Christians had to swear their allegiance to the Caesars, otherwise they could not buy or sell. The "beast" were the Romans, more specifically it was Caesar Nero. In Hebraic gematria, Caesar Nero adds up to 666.
Jesus' kingdom is spiritual in nature and His New Covenant Kingdom arrived in its fullness in 70 AD after the Old Covenant age came to an end. Apostate Old Covenant Jerusalem came under divine judgement from the "wrath of the Lamb" in Revelation in 70 AD. There's nothing about a physical geopolitical kingdom in the Scriptures. That's exactly what Jesus was trying to avoid! The kingdom is a heavenly/spiritual Jerusalem. The biblical end times were fulfilled at the end of the Old Covenant age, not the end of time and not the end of the world. It's no good appealing to the Hellenised church fathers either. They never understood the Hebraic apocalyptic language of the Scriptures. Your view was invented by Darby.
Can't argue with this, you are correct. Beware of new doctrines that haven't been around for thousands of years....
I appreciate a clarification on the rapture theories. I would like to suggest that biblically speaking, the term rapture and the second coming are one and the same. The Apostle Paul when instructing the Thessalonians in regard to the day of the Lord and the man of sin, had an understanding of Daniels prophecies which foretold the rise of the little horn ( man of sin). Paul was discreetly telling them that until the final overthrow of the Roman Empire ( in 476A.D.) neither the man of sin or the day of Lord would be fulfilled, the pagan Roman Empire being the “restrainer”. So in 538 A.D. the “man of sin” did receive His “power, seat, and authority” Rev 13:2. The mark of this beast is a religious mark and will take the majority of the Christian world by surprise and they will readily accept it as coming from God. This pre-trib rapture theory is a big smoke screen to prevent people from coming to a knowledge of what the “mark of the beast” is. While the mark of the beast is not enforced at present, it does already exist and God wants us to know what it is to avoid it.
What is the antichrist
@@NaturalDestiny It is non other than the papal system which persecuted Gods people for 1260 years known as the dark ages.
Is the mark the vaccine?
you gave the answer in the midst of your rather long-winded discourse when you said neither theory is true - the truth is that we will only be 'caught up with Christ' when he comes again at the very end of time
So only this paster knows this? you think God woldent let many other Christians know the truth? most thing in a pre-rapture. Read it literally to avoid confusion. Bible is for no mans individual interpretation
2 Peter 1:20
King James Version
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
It doesn't matter which one is correct.
Thanks for sharing. 🙏
Luk 17:24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.
Luk 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
Luk 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Joh 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.
Act 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
Act 1:10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Th 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
1Th 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
1Th 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
1Th 4:18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
Mar 13:25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
Mar 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
Mar 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
Mar 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
Rev 14:14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
Rev 14:15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
when you compare scripture with scripture you can look for common elements that are found in them.
All this leads to post rapture, at the end, before the final destruction , key word in the scripture, every eye will be able to see him, if it were a pre rapture, the unbelievers wouldn't see him, because , then they would know who he is, and all would receive salvation, literally, who would see Jesus in the sky, and turn away from him, and go through a great tribulation , to then either take the mark and worship or, die to be with Jesus, when they already has a chance to do it..People don't receive Jesus , because they don't believe in him, but if he is in the clouds and everyone can see him, they will believe ..post rapture , the saints will not have to endure the wrath, but will be around to see it
@@NitaRidout
When Jesus comes and every ryr shall see Him it is then and there to late to accept Jesus.
When He comes as a thief in the night, only those who are His and looking for His coming in the clouds will go with Him
Luk 21:34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
Luk 21:35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Those who are ready and watching for Jesus will go to be with Him those who see Him when He comes and are not ready, I.E the foolish virgins will be forever doomed and rejected
There is no salvation from Jesus coming in the clouds and afterwards.
Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory
Rev 16:10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
Rev 16:11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, and repented not of their deeds.
These saw Jesus come in the clouds, and they know who the one true God is and blaspheme His name because of the plagues
Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
This is the Rapture, every eye sees Jesus when He Comes and they also know that at His coming for His bride that the day of His wrath is come
I have no desire to add to or take away from God's Word, I love the Lord and have no desire to alter His word with my own imaginations out of my own heart.
Rev 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
There you have two curses placed on those who add to the prophecy of this book or take away from the prophecy of this book.
if I claim anything that is not true concerning the Book of Revelation then I place myself under those two curses, no matter how sincere I was in doing so.
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
because I have the availability of the Holy Ghost to guide me into all truth, then if I hold and trach false doctrine I am guilty because
Act 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
if I fail to take heed to the Holy Ghost concerning the Word of God teaching things I ought not to, then that is on me and I will bear that sin, and myself be rejected because I resisted the Holy Ghost.
@@dennishagans6339 The sacrifice of Christ benefits all truly repentant sinners who have sincere faith and trust in Christ, but this benefit is conferred as God automatically baptizes all true believers in the Holy Spirit, which places them "into" the Body of Christ (1Cor.12:13) --and that "Body" is the Church (Eph.--1:22--,23), with the result that all believers are "IN Christ" (2Cor.5:17). Being "in Christ" is the place of justification (Gal.--2:17--), redemption and forgiveness of sins (Eph.1:7). What's more, Paul teaches that a person who is in the body of Christ, has died to the requirements and condemnation of the OT law (Rom. 7:4,6) ---and thus, anyone who is not in the body of Christ remains condemned by the law (Rom.--2:12-- ; Gal.--3:10---11 ; Jas.--2:10--). There is no other place, than in Christ's body, for those spiritual transactions in the NT. It will only be people "in Christ" (and in his body), who have been crucified with him, who have died and been burried with him, and are made alive with him (read Rom.6:1-10). For anyone to be saved, God places Jews or Gentiles "in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross" (Eph.--2:16--)... and that one body of reconciliation is the Church (Eph.--1:22---23). There will never be any other way to justification, reconciliation to God, redemption, resurrection and eternal life, than by being "IN Christ," which is in his body --the Church-- ...and anything else is another way of salvation (and really, another gospel) than is found in the Bible. --It would take some major explaining to tell how a person could be "in Christ" but not in his body (the Church). If the tribulation saints are not in Christ's body, then how are they saved? --Consider especially verses like Romans 12:5, which says, "so in Christ we who are many form one body." Paul says explicitly there that being "in" Christ means being in his "body", and he uses those two ideas as being inseparable. ---Biblical Christianity can never advance any other way of justification and redemption, other than being "IN Christ."
So, the pre-trib notion of a group of "tribulation saints" who are saved and redeemed during the tribulation, but yet are not part of the body of Christ (the Church), is actually a contradiction in terms, which rests on very shabby theology that undermines the biblical doctrine of salvation. ---The true situation during the tribulation will be: there will be Spirit-baptized saints who are "washed ...in the blood of the Lamb" (Rev.7:14), so, they are blood-bought and justified saints; they will be born-again Christians "who obey God's commandments and hold to the testimony of Jesus" (Rev.12:17), and who "remain faithful to Jesus" (Rev.14:12).
--And very crucial for this discussion: note those saints who "die IN the Lord" during the Great Tribulation (see Rev.14:12-13 with 6:9-11) ...remembering from our previous discussion, that being "in the Lord," or "in Christ," is precisely the NT description of a believer who is part of the Church, the body of Christ!
Thus, there is no possible way that these tribulation "saints" can not part of the Church. --They must be.
The corporate body of Christ first came into being when believers were first baptized in the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost (Acts 1:5 & 2:1-4). Since then, every true believer is automatically placed into the body of Christ by the Baptism in the Holy Spirit (1Cor.12:13), so that all believers are "in Christ" (and this must --since the Acts 2 day of Pentecost-- include all Old Testament saints, as well as tribulation saints). Redemptive union with Christ, in his body (the Church), has always been God's plan for all believers of all ages. Paul says that Jesus is the Savior of "his body" (Eph.5:23), and it would take some major explaining to show that he is the Savior of anybody else. Anybody who is not part of the body of Christ, therefore, will not be saved. Jew or Gentile, there is no other provision in all of eternity for the salvation of sinners other than by being in the body of Christ. --So, unavoidably, since there are saved people on earth during the tribulation, the body of Christ, the Church, must be present on earth at that time.
Since the "Church" is clearly on earth during the Tribulation, there is no reason to say that the Church is evacuated just before the Tribulation begins.
Obviously, those who "die in the Lord" during the tribulation will be part of Christ's body, the Church, and they too (like all who are in Christ) will rise at the first resurrection and be raptured (1 Thess.4:16-18). Thus, the rapture must follow the tribulation, during which those tribulation saints "die IN the Lord."
@@dennishagans6339 sorry I dont know why it comes up with words crossed over, I have this saved in my files on my computer and it doesnt show as this way. Point is in order to believe in pre trib you must go against the salvation gospel and create an entire new one. Jesus said 4 times in John He will raise ALL who believe in Him on the last day. last means last, all means all. We the church are part of the two witnesses hence the two lampstands and olive trees that form ONE body in Christ, the church. I dont know about you, but when scripture tells us if anyone even an angel comes to us with a different gospel other than given, we are not to listen and they are cursed, per scripture. I wish people would understand how dangerous pre trib teaching really is.
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No Worries on the crossed out words, I have actually seen that one time before.
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
The teaching that Christ had already come in Paul's day was having the effect of overthrowing the faith of some.
The serpent's first attack was against God's word in the Garden, and that attack caused the fall of man, so since that attack was so successful back then he has used it ever since with great effect.
I have heard the pre-trib being taught as a secret rapture by misusing Jesus coming as a thief in the night.
How many people are going to believe they missed the secret rapture and take the mark of the beast so they can buy and sell?
That is the serpents goal, to deceive Christians into believing they missed the rapture and have no hope so they might as well take the mark.
Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
As we get closerto that day the deception is going to become stronger, and stronger so that wannabe Christians are gonna be sifted out or make the total commitment to Christ.
The Lord showed me this. we can know that it has not happened because when Jesus does come He will take unborn babies, new-borns and children under the age of accountability, as long as those children are still here, the rapture has not taken place.
That is for the pre-tribbers who think it is a secret rapture.
So say if your a father and your kids was playing outside with you and one of your kid are in the street and a car is coming at them, what will you do ?
A. Get them off the street before the car hit them.
B. Get them off the street when the car come at them.
C. Wait tell the car hit them and go save them 😒.
If you answer a then congratulations, you are a pre tribulation believer and you save your kid.
If you answer b then congratulations, you are a mid tribulation and you and your kid are dead.😑
If you answer c then congratulations, your a post tribulation and your kid is dead. Your a bad farther.
Why is no one talking about one will be taken and the other left behind??
Taken and left behind is dealt with in this video > ua-cam.com/video/m61pLIkAz74/v-deo.html
Also see the article > www.equip.org/article/whos-been-left-behind/#christian-books-3
The one left behind always goes into the Kingdom. You don't want to be taken away first.
Matthew 13:30 KJV
Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, *Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them:* but gather the wheat into my barn.
@@DontYouWantToLiveForever The English taken can mean the Rapture or be taken for the judgement. The Greek G 3880 is taken to oneself=Rapture, the other left, Luke 17:37 where the dead bodies are refers to the other left, that happens at His 2.coming (Armageddon).
Most if you are here bcoz of left behind series..
Didn't Jesus tell Christians to pray for God's Kingdom to come and for His will to be done on earth as it is in heaven? God's Kingdom is a heavenly government ruled by Jesus Christ as King. Soon Jesus will bring beautiful changes to the earth. There will be no more death, pain or sorrow on earth, Revelation 21:4,5! No more wickedness on earth, Psalms 37:9-11! After Armageddon the meek will inherit the earth and live forever on it, Psalms 37:29; Matthew 5:5; Proverbs 2:21,22! The earth will be cultivated into a Paradise like God intended in the beginning, Genesis 1:28; Isaiah 55:11! Jesus will do on a grand scale what he did when he walked the earth including raising those who are asleep in death, John 5:28,29! There will only be one government over the entire earth forever, Daniel 2:44! Jesus will do on a grand scale what he did when he walked the earth including raising those who are asleep in death, John 5:28,29! Jesus said that this good news of the Kingdom would be preached about in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come, Matthew 24:14! Soon Jesus will make sure that God's Will is done on earth as it is in heaven, Matthew 6:9,10! Will you be there to see it? John 4:22-24; John 17:3; Isaiah 42:8!
AT THE RAPTURE; the instant removal of the bride to meet our Lord above earth we will receive an imperishable sinless body like that of Jesus Christ.1 Cor. 15:51-57. First church believers who died and then those alive following them up (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18). The Lord calls us from above Earth. I believe the Holy Spirit in us HEARS and actually removes us to His side! Our sin nature, Romans 3:23, is supernaturally removed and our sanctification (being holy) is completed as is our salvation so we can go to Heaven.
Timing?We are NOT appointed to God's wrath! 1 Thessalonians 1:10; 5:9; Romans 5:8-9. The bride of Christ will not go through "Tribulation" when God judges the lost world left behind. No longer will evil be restrained as one of the ministries of the Holy Spirit. The bride is complete & home. That opens the door for the appearance of anti-Christ; Satan in human form!
TIMING OF RAPTURE?
See John 14:3; Titus chapter 2:verses 11-14; Revelation 3:10 It is "IMMINENT"! "Maranatha" ("He comes") was the greeting to one another in the just formed church. They looked for Jesus to come in their time! WE TOO! Only God knows the time the last Christian is saved!
This channel is a blessing known to God before the world was made. Ephesians 1:1-14
2 Samuel chapter 22:verse 50 "Therefore I will praise you, O Lord, out of the countries, and I will praise your name."
There is a CROWN in Heaven awaiting all who share the Gospel of Jesus Christ and a soul is saved. See 1 Thessalonians 2:19-20; Philippians 4:1. " For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing? Are not even you in the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ at his coming? 20 For you are our glory and joy."
THE GOSPEL SAVES
Mark 16: verse 15: And He said unto them, Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
How can anyone hear the "good" news? Romans 10:17 Then faith comes from hearing and hearing by the word of God.
The Birth Of Jesus Christ
Isaiah 7:14: "Therefore the LORD shall give you a sign; behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and call His name Immanuel." Hebrew: עִמָּנוּאֵל, "God with us" in human flesh but without sin. The Savior of the world was born to die for our sins! He did so 33 years later. His terrible ordeal, the body was mutilated, the blood was poured out, but the bones were not broken, buried in a Tomb and risen on the 3rd day.
Isaiah 53: "5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. 6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
"For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." Romans 3:23
"For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23
"I am the way, the truth and the life: no one comes to the Father except through me." John 14.6
"1 Corinthians 15:
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
"In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;." Ephesians 1:7
Matthew 26:28 "For this is my blood of the New Testament, which is shed for many for the redemption of sins."
Ephesians 2:8 "Because you have been saved through faith, and this is not from you. This is the gift of God.
Jesus died to pay the penalty for our sins and rescue us from eternal death. Because of Jesus' death on our behalf, all we have to do is believe in Him, trusting in His death and in the shedding of His blood as payment for our sins, as well as in His burial and resurrection from the dead the third day, and we will be saved! John 20:24-31; See 1 Corinthians 15: 1-4.
Romans 10:
9 If you confess the Lord Jesus with your mouth and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For with the heart man believes in righteousness; And a confession by mouth is given to salvation.
13 For the one who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
Salvation and forgiveness of sins is a blessing of all who believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. We receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit immediately which seals us in Christ Ephesians 1:13-14. Those who reject salvation, "perish"(John 3:16) which means their sins are judged and suffer separation from God forever called the second death. Rev.21:8
This all sounds nice but when the Lord descends He will come as a consuming fire... when He comes back like a thief every thing will be burned up..
Post trib-prewrath.
I found that not long after I was saved that Rev ch 6 proves pretribe rapture is false teahing and people don't want to here it which is bad. 1st thess 1:10 and 5:9 and Romans 5:9 say we are not appointed the wrath but the wrath doesn't happen until after the tribulations have come.
Rev ch 6 is the tribulation and it has begun and the saints are there in Rev 6:9-11,still there. But in Rev 6:16-17 we see the Wrath has come. What worries me is that a lot of believers will believe that there belief was in vain and lose faith.
We will suffer the Tribulation but not wrath. I believe Rev 6:12-17 descibes a nuclear war,ever watch videos of nuclear bombs rolling the clouds like a scroll. Thats the only way John could describe what he saw. You see in Rev ch 7:9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11 All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying:
“Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom,
Thanksgiving and honor and power and might,
Be to our God forever and ever.
Amen.”
13 Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?”
14 And I said to him, [a]“Sir, you know.”
So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, and serve Him day and night in His temple. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. 16 They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore; the sun shall not strike them, nor any heat; 17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to [b]living fountains of waters. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”
Not everyone goes at the same time.
There are two more raptures. One second coming. During the next rapture, Jesus does not come to earth.The saints will meet Him in the air.
Only the truly repentant will go in this rapture.God knows your hearts.These will be invited to the Wedding of the Lamb.
The parable of the 10 virgins explains this. All 10 were virgins(saved) and all 10 called Him Lord but only 5 got to go. Five were left. In the parable, the oil in the wise virgins' lamps represents their righteous living and obedience. 10 “But while they (lukewarm foolish)were on their way to buy the oil, the bridegroom arrived. The virgins who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet. And the door was shut.
The lukewarm Christian’s who indulged in this world will be counted in the second rapture during the tribulation. These will become the Tribulation Saints described in
Revelation 7.
And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb
The mass confusion of pretrib or post trib comes about because people do not realize that all do not go at the same time.
Repentance is the key as to which rapture you will be going in. Pray it is the first.
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My ADHD kicked in after about 10 seconds. I have no idea what the conclusion was.
My ADHD kicked in from reading through the comment section and seeing people argue with each other over the rapture
so if there is no tribulation then when is Jesus coming back ?(or is he not ?) sigh I'm so confused
Nobody knows the day and time of the Lord's return. That is what the Lord tells us. Matthew 24:36-44.
I cannot see where it says in the Bible a seven year tribulation period either
@michaellau2544 Good question. The idea of a 7 year long future great tribulation is just not in the Bible. See www.equip.org/article/daniel-prophesy-seven-year-great-tribulation/ and www.equip.org/articles/apocalypse-when/
When Jesus comes the SECOND time He will appear to those who look for Him and love Him. Hebr 9:28.
This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.( Second time.Acts 1:11.)
Immediately after the tribulation Jesus shall appear from Heaven. (SECOND TIME) Matt. 24:29-30.
When Jesus comes the second time He will descent from Heaven and we will meet Him in the air.( 1Thes 4:16).
When Jesus comes the second time we will be gathering together unto Him.(2 Thes 2:1).
When Jesus comes the second time He will come in flaming fire and vengeance to those unbelievers who had fallen away from the truth and then Jesus will be glorified in his saints in that day.(2Thes 1:8,10).
Before Jesus comes the second time a falling away from the truth must take place for the antichrist to be revealed.(2Thes 2:3)
When Jesus comes the second time He will destroy the antichrist with the brightness of His coming and those who had fallen away from the truth..(2Thes 2:8,10).
Nobody is going to disappear (raptured) before Jesus comes the second time.
Which era are we in.
I am mid-trib at Paul’s ‘last trump’ but at least all pre/mid/pre-wrath and post trib views are in the same camp of pre-millenniumism and not way off in left field of Post-millenniumism or A-millenniumism which take all prophecy as allegorical and do not believe in a future 1000 year of Christ on earth. Blessings.
There is no rapture with Matthew 24 29-31 which is Zech 14 6-9 and Luke 17 22-37. The wicked are taken and the righteous are gathered on the last day immediately after the tribulation. What day is immediately after the tribulation in Daniels 70th week. Immediately after the tribulation is day 2520 of a 7 year covenant. The date will be known 7 biblical years before the event.
Can you explain your math, please?
@@Gods-Word-with-CherieJay The prophecy in Daniel chapter 9 used the Hebrew Word shabua for week meaning a group of 7 biblical years. In that prophecy a biblical year was exactly 360 days. And a week was 2520 days.
Clearly in the future time changes back to biblical years. Rev 12 6 and Rev 12 14 are the same event in the future. In the future, 1260 days will be exactly 3.5 years. And all the prophecies of Daniel 9 24 will be fulfilled on the last day of the 7 year tribulation. The date will be known years before the event. The Fig Tree passages and the parable of the 10 virgins are talking about the end of a different age.
@@Gods-Word-with-CherieJay If someone wrote a book on the end times about Matthew 24 and 2 Thess 2 and the book of Revelation in order for it to be correct in the future, what would be the correct study. The problem is the correct interpretation takes study. The following studies explain those passages of scripture.
MATTHEW 24
Many people have the context of Matthew 24 wrong. Many people don't know what happened on that day. This is what happened:
1. Matthew 24 1-2 was asked about the 2nd temple. This was done in the day time in public. Luke 21 37.
2. At that time Jesus gave Luke 21. Luke 21 had some parts about 2000 years future also.
3. So after hearing Luke 21, Jesus and the disciples walked to the Mount of Olives. On the Mount of Olives at night time, the disciples asked Matthew 24 3 about the ending of Luke 21.
4. These is a gap in time between Matthew 24 1-2 and Matthew 24 3. That makes all the difference in the world.
5. Let me rephrase Matthew 24 3 so people can understand. When will these things you talked about in Luke 21 earlier this day occur? And what will be the sign of your coming in Luke 21 24-28 and Luke 21 29-36 be?
6. Jesus was talking about the ending of 2 different ages in the end times in Matthew 24. Matthew 24 4-31 is in Daniels 70th week. There is no rapture in the 2nd half with Matthew 24 15-31. And Matthew 24 32-51 is the Pretrib rapture and has warnings for believers in this generation.
2 THESS 2
Many people are not understanding 1 Thess 5. That passage only has 2 events unlike 2 Thess 2 which has events in between. 1 Thess 5 has the rapture since we are of the day. We are sober. We are not appointed to wrath. And 1 Thess 5 has the day of the Lord at the 6th seal that starts as birth pangs on the wicked. 1 Thess 5 does not have the apostasy that will start after the pretrib rapture and 1 Thess 5 does not have the man of sin revealed at the 5th seal. Let me rephrase 2 Thess 2 so people can understand: Thessalonians do not be alarmed with a letter saying the day of the Lord at at the 6th seal has already started. That day will not start until the apostasy in the first half starts and the man of sin is revealed at the 5th seal midtrib. Now you know what is holding our gathering and all this evil to come. You are holding all this evil back. You are righteous and of the day. You are restraining all this back. There is no rapture in the 2nd half of Daniels 70th week after the antichrist is revealed midtrib.
THE BOOK OF REVELATION
How could everyone's interpretation of the end times be wrong? Could the literal interpretation of just three verses in the bible prove everyone wrong. These are the verses:
Zech 14 and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee. 6 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: 7 But it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light. 8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be. 9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one.
In Rev 1:7 it says every eye will see Him referring to the 2nd coming. Meaning in Russia and America and Africa and China and Europe and every place on earth. This will be a supernatural event. Will that event literally happen at evening time in Israel? Are we limiting God with our understanding of Armageddon and battles? Can God gather armies supernaturally? Can God destroy all the wicked in the entire world in just one day? I have been saying on the very last day of Daniel's 70th week immediately after the tribulation, Zech 14:6-9 will literally be fulfilled. On that day many interpretations will be proven wrong. Zech 14 6-9 is the day in Matthew 24 29-31 and in the book of Revelation it is the day of the 7th trumpet and all 7 bowl judgments. In the book of Revelation that day is Rev 10 7 and Rev 11 15 and Rev 14 14 and Rev 19 11.
With the pretrib rapture in the Fig Tree passages and the parable of the 10 virgins, what are the differences between that event and known passages of the 2nd coming?
In the pretrib rapture, no man knows the day or the hour. No man knows the watch. No man will know if it will be in the evening time or the midnight watch or when the rooster crows or at dawn. These are the watches for the Feast of Trumpets. At the shout at midnight the righteous are taken and the unrighteous are left behind. The ones left behind later ask for the door to be opened for them also. There is no eternal judgment at the pretrib rapture. The ones left behind are only told to depart from the Lord. The bridegroom is going to the wedding. When He appears, we become like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. The separation does not mention what time of day it is. The judgment on that day is the ones left behind are with the hypocrites.
On the day of the 2nd coming the day will be known. It will be the last day of Daniels 70th week. The watch will be evening time in Israel. Only the hour will not be known but it will be sudden. The correct translation is I am coming suddenly. On that day the wicked are taken and the righteous are gathered on earth. There is eternal judgment on that day. Many are told to depart into everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels. The bridegroom is coming from the wedding. At His appearing the entire world mourns. The separation is in that night after the sun and moon are darkened. The judgment on that day is with unbelievers.
Fearfull will never enter into the kingdom of God Revelation 21:8. Unbelievers in Christ Jesus cling to rapure and try to save them from tribulations and they will be lost.
People, read the scriptures for yourselves before asking anyone to teach you about biblical topics! Satan is a liar and many Christians put satan's lies foward knowingly and unknowingly. If you have done it, then you know whether or not the person in this video is doing God's work or satan's work.
The following is an except of Chuck Smith in the Blue Letter Bible and it is what I've always believed.
Now immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened (Mat @);
This will be the final aspect of the tribulation, the great cataclysmic signs in the heavens. The son darkened, the moon will not give her light, the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of heaven shall be shaken. And then shall appear (Mat @-30)
When? Immediately after the tribulations of those days, then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory (Mat @).
It says, "and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory." All of the tribes of the earth. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other (Mat @).
Now those who take the post-tribulation theory, that Jesus is not going to take the church out until after the Great Tribulation, use this as one of their chief verses to defend their position. For He shall then, after He returns, after the Great Tribulation, He will then send His angels with the sound of a trumpet. The trumpet of God shall sound, "and they shall gather together, His elect from the four winds from one end of the heavens to the other."
Now one thing that they always disregard is that the Bible speaks of that trump by which the church will be caught up to glory, as the trump of God always shall sound; whereas, they confuse that with the seventh trumpet of the book of Revelation, because the trump of God is called the last trump. And so they say, the seventh trump is the last trumpet in the book of Revelation. But again in the book of Revelation there, the trumpets of the seven angels, and the seven angels prepared to sound their seven trumpets. And there is a vast difference between the seventh trumpet (the trumpet of an angel), which is declared to be a woe, and that trump of God whereby the church should be called to her reward.
Now this particular verse is one of those compilations where Jesus put together three verses out of the Old Testament; whereby, God has promised that when the return of Christ takes place, and the kingdom is established, that God is again going to take back the Jews as His people, as a nation, and He is going to bring them back in the land, and honor them once more.
And in Deuteronomy chapter thirty, three and four, in that particular promise as the Lord is talking about returning them from their captivity, He said, "and if any of you are driven out to the uttermost parts of heaven, from there will the Lord thy God gather thee, and from there He will fetch you. Notice He will gather together from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other, but that heaven if you be scattered, He will gather you from there. Deuteronomy thirty-four.
In Isaiah @-13, there the Lord said, again as He is predicting the regathering of the people "oh ye children of Israel", the end of verse twelve, "it shall come to pass in that day that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish, in the land of Assyria, the outcast from the land of Egypt, and they shall worship the Lord in the holy mount at Jerusalem."
And so the trumpet, the great trumpet sounding, Jesus makes reference to that.
And then once more in Isaiah @. Here they are told to be gathered from the four corners of the earth, or from the four winds, as Jesus makes reference here. "An ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."
So it is not at all damaging to the scripture, but only in harmony with the other prophecies, that this be understood to be the ELECT JEWS, NOT THE CHURCH.
You err. 1.Cor 15:51+52 speaks of a mystery, when we ALL shall be changed.This mystery is fulfilled in Rev 10:7 at the 7th trump, the last one in revelation. the 7th trump does not rise the dead, scripture does not say that. It says, when the 7th angel sounds, the resurrection/Rapture happens, that means at the time of the 7th trumpet, the last one, Jesus will blow the trump of God, 1.Cor 15:52 says the same, at the last trump; the trump (of God) will sound. There are two trumpets blowing.
At His 2. coming the Jews are called back to their land. But the gathering in the air is the Rapture and not the gathering of the surviving Jews., because they are brought by the Gentiles to Jerusalem in the beginning of the Millennium (Isa 66:20). the elect in Mat 24:31 are HIS blood bought elect (1.Peter 1:2)=NT Saints, Jews and Gentiles.
Luke 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to
escape (all these things that shall come to pass), and to stand before the Son of man. There are more than 1 Rapture. Enoch, Elijah, Daniel and his two friends, Jesus, Church Age Saint, and also a 2nd Coming Rapture for those within the Tribulation Period. There are more than 1 Rapture. Keep that in mind!
How do you know?
@@sebastianmireles6691 What? Did you think that these men of God get killed instead?
@@gossman75 hi friend, I would have to disagree with you as scripture does not support your claim. There is 1 rapture of the church that takes place after the tribulation before the day of God's wrath which is the last day in which Jesus stated 4 times He will raise all who belong to Him on the last day. We the church are rev12v17 per sound scripture. Men of God have been killed since the start of the church, people today are beheaded for faith in Christ. The flesh is not the bride, the flesh gets beat up.
You cant treat the church and the Jews as one and the same. God deals with them differently.
I'm leaning more and more toward a mid-trib pre-wrath view just after the sixth seal and before God's wrath the day of the Lord. Well before the God's wrath in the 7 bowl, cup, vial judgments. Seems to align with both Joel, Matthew 24 and Revelation. I haven't been able to see how full preterism or partial preterism could explain all the things written in Revelation very well e.g. 100 pound hailstones, wormwood, third of the earth dying, third of the trees and grass etc..
The apostle Paul said we leave by rank and order. We will leave in companies like a military procession out of here, in an orderly fashion through the open door. God sees his children as crops that need to be harvested. He also sees us as lights for his glory. There are 3 major crops: Barley, wheat, and grapes. Barley and wheat crops are the church. They are both planted at the same time, in the autumn. The barley matures faster than the wheat. The barley bride is harvested (departs) at pretrib at springtime. God has set times for these harvests. You can not be harvested until your ready! Barley is winnowed by the wind. Have you ever heard of pearl barley? That pearl of great price! She leaves in Rev 4 when she hears the voice as of a trumpet that says, "COME UP HERE!" SHE IS CAUGHT UP DIRECTLY TO THRONE ROOM! This is where she will be jointly ruling and reigning with her bridegroom. If there is a last trump, there is a first trump!
As written in Songs of Solomon you will see what the other daughters are saying when they see the bride leave. These daughters are virgins...meaning they are saved believers. These daughters will cry aloud, "Return, Return oh Shulamite so we may look upon thee!" Why did they yearn to look at her? Christ was fully manifested in her and it was like seeing Christ shining from her face....that shekinah glory!
The wheat is harvested on the threshing floor by a heavy wooden board with pegs called a tribullum. Tribullum is derived from the word tribulation. Wheat is sifted not winnowed. This is the great multitude that we will see in heaven in Rev 7. Christ was seen wiping the tears from their faces.They aren't given crowns and not seated in the midst of the throne. They are holding palm branches and are standing before the throne.
The grapes are the 144,000 full overcomers of Israel caught up at midtrib, then The Time of Jacob's Trouble begins.
There are 3 light companies: Sun glory saints, moon glory saints, and star glory saints.These companies coincide with the crops.
Meditate on these things!
Sun glory saints are still present while it is daytime and those saints are removed right before the night season of tribulation begins. Then the darkness of Tribulation is upon this world but, we have 2 other light companies that rule the night. The moon and the stars!!!! These lights hold back the forces of evil on this earth till they are caught up out of here by rank and order as the apostle Paul told us. When those lights leave God's wrath is poured out on this earth and gross darkness is here.
Jesus returns then the church is brought up as he descends to touch down on the mount of olives and splits it East to West.
There's no rapture. Not one as presumed by evangelicals today. That concept began in the 1830s. If true, that means God left His followers blind to it for 1800 years. There will be a gathering of Christians at the time of his 2nd coming. Matthew says, "I will gather my people from the four corners of the earth." But it doesn't say he'll do it twice.
The irony of the Bride going through God's Judgement. I kind of picture this as God slapping the wife before getting married. LOL Pretribulation make more sense.
that's a bad argument! let me ask you this. you are simply looking at this from your time perspective the hear and now. are all of the Saints going back to the cross not the church?
Saints? they are right? so what about John he was beheaded and all the Apostles? most were martyred.
what about all the Christians that died at the stake burnt alive. what about all the Christians in china North Korea the middle East that die for their Faith. what did Jesus say.
Luk 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
Luk 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
so now look at your statement and tell me what you think?
By your statement the Bride has beaten for the last 2 thousand years, why would you think where any different? we will go thru tribulation refined as gold and Silver.
1Th 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ
the Rapture happens before the 7th seal. when the 7th Seal opens this begins Gods Wrath.
I was curious Hank or whoever answers, if what is written in revelation happened in ad 70 how exactly does the world end?
Revelation concerns things that would soon take place for the first century audience, which came to pass with the events surround the fall of Jerusalem and destruction of the temple in AD 70, but there is also mention of the resurrection of the dead and the resurrection of the cosmos.
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@@BibleAnswerMan People seem to be confused about the end of the World... while in Matthew 24, Jesus is talking about the end of the Age... the Jewish age, (see R.C. Sproul, "The Last Days According to Jesus." I agree, all of it (besides resurrection of the dead) did take place before 70AD, and I have a dating of Revelation as being written before 70 AD.. Are you in agreement with this?
@Sam Samurai You obviously haven't read Ken Gentry's "Before Jerusalem Fell" nor RC Sproul "The Last Days According to Jesus" If Revelation was written in the 90's, why was John told to measure the temple, which was still standing? Which temple was that ??? Waiting for your dispensational, pre millenial, Darby and Scofield answer .
@Sam Samurai It's too bad you forgot the context. You'd do well to begin with chapter 1 verses 1-3 where he is addressing the 7 churches about things "which must shortly take place," and "for the time is near." 2000 plus years the time is near... or were these things about to happen. You cannot even get out of chapter 1 with your dispensational view. I stick with Chrysostom and Athanasius, all partial preterists,, not the new dispensational teaching that was 1800 years absent from the Church. It's always wonderful to talk to someone who knows more than the Church fathers. What an honor.
@Sam Samurai it was partial preterism, which all Church fathers agree upon. Not John Hagee's church, not Scofields. Yes, when Jesus said "this generation would not pass away," He was correct. 70 AD, temple was razed. Or does "this generation" mean something else?
Is this in keeping with Orthodox tradition?
Hank and CRI stand shoulder-to-shoulder with Christians of all stripes, the essential truth of Christ second appearance, the bodily return of the Lord, as the Nicene Creed puts it….
“…[Christ] was crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried; and He rose on the third day, according to the Scriptures.
He ascended into heaven and is seated at the right hand of the Father, and He will come again with glory to judge the living and the dead. His kingdom shall have no end...”
So, yes, of course.
@@BibleAnswerMan I understand that, but while not believing in "the rapture", I know many faith traditions still teach that a final horrific persecution/tribulation is yet to come, along with the grand poobah "Anti-Christ."
@@husq48 There will be a great tribulation to come. The antichrist will reign at that time. Jesus will come after it as He said in Matthew 24.
Wow the only man in the world that knows the Bible
Not I.
You talk in circles and theories. (KJV) Matthew:24, Jesus state's plain the prelude to the "END OF THE WORLD".
And yes the "man of sin" will stand in a rebuilt temple, as spoken by Daniel the prophet. At least this is what Jesus state's plainly.
THE PRE TRIBULATION RAPTURE IS THE TRUTH!!! Never in the Bible has god brought his wrath without sparing his people not in Solomon Gomorrah not in Moses day and the plagues. Think on the time line the two witnesses with all gods power and miracles will come and preach for 3.5 years! Which means somewhere between the beginning and mid point of the 7 year tribulation we will be raptured 🤷🏾♂️
Before the rapture can happen. The gospel of Jesus Christ has to be preached to every ethno linguistic people group. Almost half have not been reached.
Sun= Jacob moon= Rachael/leaha stars= the brothers shall BOW down to Joseph.👍🇦🇺🤠
έσχατη ημέρα..pre trib rapture is a false notion
Depends on if you understand different dispensations or not. What was Paul's dispensation of Grace? Who was it written for? Who did Jesus Christ say He came to be a minister?
All writings that pertains to Israel or the Jewish people covers the tribulation to the NEW KINGDOM.
Paul's teaching to "Christians", that was what gentiles were called, covers Grace from Paul's ministry to the Antichrist taking power. The "rapture" Paul speaks of is before the antichrist taking power.
@@jthomas5226 Yea, i already called you out. You don't speak the truth.
These are your words ---> The "rapture" Paul speaks of is before the antichrist taking power.
This is what the BIBLE says --->
1 Thessalonians 4: 15-17
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive [and] remain shall be caught up (the rapture) together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
the dead in Christ shall rise first
@@LastDaySaintJames-fe4if You haven't "called" anyone out. All you have managed to do was to show your ignorance and the twisting of scripture.
1) Was Jesus Speaking spiritually or physically?
2) Have you eaten the flesh of Jesus Christ?
3) Were those "Believers" Jesus was speaking with?
66 From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more.
You really need to pay attention to who Christ is speaking to at the time and what was the real question. You also need to study words: Lord's Wrath. God's Wrath. Who these are poured out on? Then ask yourself if "All" means "All" and does "everyone" mean "everyone"?
What has to happen before the "rapture" Paul is speaking about?
1) Temple destroyed
2) Dispersion
3) Coming back to the land
4) Temple rebuilt
None of that has occurred during Paul's letters. He was writing to those who thought the Lord had already come again.
5 Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? 6 And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. 7 For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
Who is the restrainer? Satan or Demons? 🤔 The Church?🤔 Or the one who is Sovereign over "ALL"?
15 Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 2 Timothy.
@@jthomas5226 The restrainer is Michael, revealed in the book of Daniel.
But why do you care who the restrainer is? You don't care about truth.
2 Timothy 3: 16-17
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
@@LastDaySaintJames-fe4if An angel has the power to restrain sin? 🤣😂😂 Better go read about the SOVEREIGNTY of God but you will never find the word in the Bible. It's implied all throughout.
Hopefully other people will not be deceived by you.
Proof of A Pre trib Rapture. Pay Attention to the cloud and Cloud's Jesus appears in and With. Acts chapter 1 verses 9 10 11 Cloud. In Red Luke chapter 21 verses 27 and 28 Jesus is coming in A Cloud the Rapture. In Revelation chapter 1 verse 7 Jesus is coming With the Clouds when he comes back to the MT of Olives the second coming
Its called double aplication. Even if it happen before it can happen again. Biblical history is very cyclical . 2021 sounds like a very possible rapture. Daniel read it. 144,000 will be marked by Gods power salvation for jews in the wrath or Great Trib