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theres a difference between a struggle and having pre mental illness that's been rotting your mind to nothing since birth and being ignored by your parents when you ask for help. there's a difference, that doesn't make it okay or right or anything. but there is a difference and this is sad full circle
@@nc161Hana, Justin, Madisyn and Tate would like to know why does this "difference" should matter in face of Justice. He is not insane, knows what he was doing and innocent children are dead because how him.
My brother has foetal alcohol syndrome, he has his issues but he would never think of going amd killing someone in cold blood. That was a choice he made.
Infuriating. His victims will never get another chance and he should be under the jail. Mental health blah blah, BS. You shouldn't have murdered ppl, dude. Too bad.
Yeah I agree a lot of people battle with mental health but they don't go killing innocent people. If everyone with a bad childhood and/or a lot of trauma did something like this...the world would end bc everyone would be dead.
I think it is all finally sinking in for him. Prison is no fun especially is you are in for life. Sick that the courts should be wasting time on this nonsense.
I agree. Went from “I’ll be famous” to “I’m stuck here forever” when facing the reality of life in prison. He didn’t think of those he planned to kill but now wants out free.
My mother drank and smoked through her pregnancy with me. I also grew up in a alcoholic and abusive home. I worked to put myself through college and graduated with a nursing degree and a social work degree with a 4.0 and have never harmed anyone
I hear ya. One of my pet peeves is people that don’t take responsibility for their actions, using their rough childhoods, bad parents, etc. as a crutch. An excuse.
You seem to be a kind and hardworking person and you should be proud of yourself! I am incredibly proud of you and I do not even know you! Sending you love 🫶🏻
The parents are just culpable. His parents knew he had mental illness but ignored it. He wrote, "Help me!" on that school paper which the school and the parents both ignored and went about their day after seeing it.
I think that he should be in a mental institution because his cries for help were ignored. His parents were negligent in leaving their gun out, and they ignored their child's cries for help. I.M.O.
Was about to say the *same* thing. Although his parents 100% failed… a lot of the blame was seemingly taken off of him for their trials. Of course he was going to capitalize on that.
Yep, sentencing his parents was a slippery slope and now we've opened pandora's box. If his parents are guilty - then he may have a case since they are at fault.
When you claim you wanna go down in history as the biggest school shooter in a state... you are no longer a child... and i couldnt care less about your upbringing at that point...
He's not soo tough without a gun hahahahah this is most dudes in prison today haha they gang gang when they're free and have a gun but when they locked down they gey gey hahaha
Oh boo hoo? I don’t care what your personal issues were. You want off this planet, go for it, but stop taking the innocent who want to live. Under the prison.
If they’re arguing that he is so extremely dangerous due to his negligent mother drinking throughout pregnancy, causing foetal alcohol syndrome, their answer is to release him earlier, giving him the opportunity to do this again? They’re saying their murderous client should be freed sooner because he suffers from a condition that is responsible for him being unpredictably violent, so the public SHOULDN’T be protected from him? Madness.
I would imagine most mothers do. Most women get pregnant after drinking so why would they stop. How could they stop for 9 months. Some women say they don't know they're pregnant for months. I'm sure most people's mothers drank alcohol while pregnant.
This is my community. The posts on our local pages were heartbreaking and the trials have been so hard on the families. This has got to be so stressful for them to have to listen to another pity party again. I hope they don’t give him the time of day!!
He also knew his mind was spiralling out of control... That's why he was asking his parents to help him. Medical and mental interventions could have helped his sick mind. But his parents did not care for that! It's awful.
I think he's really a bad seed! He looks creepy! almost devil like! I know this probably sounds crazy but I wonder if the devil chooses his victims at birth to carry out his destruction on earth!! Scary stuff! like Rosemary's baby!
Using the defense that your mom drank alcohol smoked cigs ate red beef & aged cheese is comical. There are millions & millions of people alive right now whose moms were drinking & smoking while pregnant. Ludicrous.
He's got a taste of prison and now he wants out. Wants to go back home. Oh poor baby. Unbelievable! These families I cannot even imagine going through this over and over😢
I live near Parkland. The Cruz verdict was disgraceful. Blaming fetal alcoholism is ridiculous and a slap in the face to each of the victim's loved ones. Ethan Crumbley showed no mercy to his victims and Ethan Crumbley deserves no mercy
The shooter had parents who are now serving sentences for HIS crime. He doesn’t get to claim that he didn’t properly understand WHAT he did much less what he confessed to. If his parents are accountable, so too is HE!
How is it that this young demon is still in control? People who have horrible childhoods don't kill. People chose their behavior and path no matter their childhood experiences. This is a horrible waist of money and time.
How do defense lawyers even sleep at night???? why are we putting the families through all this knowing what this kid did??? Just stop it. He's where he belongs.
@@inheritmyshoes9559 yah welp I guess I'm awful. I don't understand how ANYONE could choose a profession that fights for the rights of monsters. And I knew many. I worked as a receptionist for one and I learned all I needed to know.
They sleep at night on a mattress from Mattress Firm. And they sleep "All... Night...Long! All Night...All Night Long!" Because they're not thinking about putting families through this again. They are making the argument that he was so abused as a child & baby in the womb that that's why he grew up and killed and didn't know any better.
I hope you are never falsely accused of a crime at some point in your life. All US citizens are entitled to a fair trial and a proper defense. It is the job of the defense lawyer to look at every area of evidence that is available to ensure that they are giving the defendant the best defense possible. It isn’t a personal attack at the victims and it isn’t because they simply want to set a monster free to live in the same society that they do. It is because they took an oath to uphold the constitution which includes the sixth amendment and if they know of evidence that may be used as a defense they are obliged to present it. Our system is not perfect and many many people have been falsely accused of crimes AND convicted. The defense attorneys are not the criminals, let’s place anger where it belongs.
Former Judge Scherer is absolutely correct... Even if the motion by defense is revisited by Judge Rowe, the bottom line will, in all likelihood, not change. You can't reasonably claim that this mental illness defense alleviates the culpability of the defendant enough to modify the initial sentence. In other words, the egregiousness of the act far outweighs any mitigating factor of a mental disorder which supposedly made him do this. This dude deserves to never be released from the confines of the MI DOC, same with the Parkland shooter.
Lots of people have terrible, hurtful childhoods and struggle tremendously still everyday.. only truly sick, disgusting people would want to harm/kill other people in the name of their own suffering. Shameful
Everyone want to do the crime but don't want to do the time. Everything is about them. Where's the justice for the victims. People just so selfish. So gross
My narcissist mother only ate pizza when I was in the womb in the 60's. She didn't breastfeed and we ate McDonald's after school every day in the 70's. I've had lifelong health issues since I was 7. In no way does that make me want to do anything to other people. Grow up and deal with it.
I didn’t know that me growing up with both my parents being massive alcoholics and living in a neglectful, toxic, abusive environment justified me hurting people who never did anything to me.
Your “struggles” became irrelevant the day that you decided that you were justified in taking out all of your anger and misery on a bunch of young, innocent classmates whose lives were just getting started
The thing is he had the cognitive ability to draw out a plan then carry it out. Was he in special education? Had he been evaluated to show he had low cognitive functioning? Those are pertinent questions.
True story, I was born with fetal alcohol syndrome and it was horrid for the first two years of my life. I know the stories and I have seen the medical records. It’s not pleasant and it has caused irreparable harm for me throughout my entire life. With that being said, however, at no point in my lifetime have I ever wished to harm anyone. Let alone multiple people.
I love Judge Scherer. She did the best job she could during the Parkland trial, considering how inhumane that entire trial was. It's a shame what happened in the fallout, but I really admire her intelligence and strength, and I hope she's doing well!
I feel like her case was self defense. Her mother forced her to be in a wheelchair, gave her meds that made her sick, isolated her, shaved her head and lied about her age. That poor girl was a victim through and through. She didn't kill kids.
Yeah, not buying this. 4 people died at his hands. You can’t say he didn’t know what he was doing he said “ he wanted to be the biggest school shooter” many people struggle with mental health and don’t kill.
My Mom chain smoked while pregnant with me. I have learning disabilities, and bipolar disorder, however my empathy runs deep. I am not going to lie, I get extremely angry and want to act out on people that abuse anyone especially children, but I never have and hopefully never will.hurt anyone. Thanks for listening everyone.
I could never be a judge because the minute defendants came in my court room with this kinda BS, I'd just roll my eyes and say the verdict stands hahaha
childhood struggles? way too late? This should have been talked about and brought in trial in the beginning. Once you forfeit your trial to a guilty verdict than all bets are off when it comes to insanity
I find this a really sad case all the way around. I remember when it all first came out, a lot of information was exposed from social media and friends that made it very clear, this kid never had a chance. The way he was raised was basically to be ignored and abused. It seemed like what the parents did was basically create a killer. I was so glad when those parents were found guilty. As for Ethan, while it is incredibly sad how he was raised, the fact remains that he did indeed kill those students and therefore I can't see how his sentence could be changed. It seem there could be the possibility that mental health care MIGHT help him, but that would be a long shot, and sadly our system, as it is, would doubtfully be able to give him the type of help he would need. This is just a no win for anybody. Perhaps the biggest take away in all of this , in my mind, is that if parents aren't interested in actually raising children, they shouldn't have any. I hope the Crumbleys are never allowed to get near any child ever again.
I believe that the food processing in USA is ruining the quality of life for kids. There is so much junk and chemicals. I bet in 25 years these newborns will be suing these energy drink makers and Frito-Lay.
I dont know how this woman became a judge. She has ZERO patience, and simply doesn't seem to have the emotionally stability needed for a high stressed position.
I smoked through 4/5 of my pregnancies. Not one of my girls have gone in to murder anybody. Three of them are adults. The other two I’ll let u know in ten years when they are adults. As a nurse I have heard of FAS. Not everyone with FAS grows up to murder. It’s actually very rare.
No, I had a horrible childhood including SA adults in my life, being around constant drug use, and having to deal with the foster care system which is extremely broken but never in a million years would I end someone else’s life because mine wasn’t great. It’s selfish he needs to stay where he’s at.
Right!!? Ohh we will talk about how his process was probably rushed and inappropriate. Lets bring another example of similar case, and they bring her 🤦🏽♀️. Did the appeals for Parkland already passed? Because is a miracle that trial wasn’t overturned.
@@gyrthez246 I’m not sure, are they paid for those interviews? I think is the first time I see a judge talking about a case in interviews. Specially saying what should be done in a similar case, using hers as an example, that was pure mess 🤦🏽♀️. But I’m not sure if she gets paid for the interviews, maybe she does it because is promotion for her book. Who knows
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What was her decision
He , did ask for help..... hence , knowing , bad things were going to happen ! Ones that could have helped , didn't but he still guilty .
A lot of people have childhood struggles but they don’t go around shooting people in cold blood.
theres a difference between a struggle and having pre mental illness that's been rotting your mind to nothing since birth and being ignored by your parents when you ask for help. there's a difference, that doesn't make it okay or right or anything. but there is a difference and this is sad full circle
Exactly!!!!
@@nc161 Nope, that still doesn't matter. It would only matter if he is literally insane, which he isnt
@@nc161Hana, Justin, Madisyn and Tate would like to know why does this "difference" should matter in face of Justice.
He is not insane, knows what he was doing and innocent children are dead because how him.
My brother has foetal alcohol syndrome, he has his issues but he would never think of going amd killing someone in cold blood. That was a choice he made.
Infuriating. His victims will never get another chance and he should be under the jail. Mental health blah blah, BS. You shouldn't have murdered ppl, dude. Too bad.
USUAL SUSPECT: 🧔🏼♂️
Yeah I agree a lot of people battle with mental health but they don't go killing innocent people. If everyone with a bad childhood and/or a lot of trauma did something like this...the world would end bc everyone would be dead.
Very true I'm tired of excuses and using mental health as an excuse what about the people he killed and it permanently damage their victims family
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@@KlLLALLWHlTETRASHPPLyou’re the problem lmfaooo go play in traffic
They better not put these victims parents, families and friends through another trial. 😡
They don’t call it the “criminal justice” system for nothing. These poor families. I hope they don’t get dragged through more proceedings
There wasn’t a trial. He pled out. But I understand your point. Families thought they had closure only to have it all ripped open again.
@@cinnabun715 I've never thought of it that way before you mentioned it. Oh my goodness!
or what? tough guy.
Well that’s how the justice system works. You don’t like it, move to North Korea.
I think it is all finally sinking in for him. Prison is no fun especially is you are in for life. Sick that the courts should be wasting time on this nonsense.
Plus he is 18 now and the kid gloves are off. Whole different world
Same thing happened to Chris Watts: "I want to get out of here."
Oh well Chrissy pooh you're not going anywhere!!!
He did have a breakdown in jail probably because it all sank in. He is where he needs to no
I agree. Went from “I’ll be famous” to “I’m stuck here forever” when facing the reality of life in prison. He didn’t think of those he planned to kill but now wants out free.
My mother drank and smoked through her pregnancy with me. I also grew up in a alcoholic and abusive home. I worked to put myself through college and graduated with a nursing degree and a social work degree with a 4.0 and have never harmed anyone
Bless you for your fight and strength to be positive in life and a passion to help others. ❤
I hear ya. One of my pet peeves is people that don’t take responsibility for their actions, using their rough childhoods, bad parents, etc. as a crutch. An excuse.
@ellybean5868 glad you didn’t suffer brain damage. FAS is real.
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You seem to be a kind and hardworking person and you should be proud of yourself! I am incredibly proud of you and I do not even know you! Sending you love 🫶🏻
He should NEVER get out of jail!!!!!
It's that simple. Trying to blame mass murder on his mommy drinking while pregnant is absurd
@@lamar310 It would make sense for other issues but not this, you're right. so absurd!
I pooped my pants.
The parents are just culpable. His parents knew he had mental illness but ignored it. He wrote, "Help me!" on that school paper which the school and the parents both ignored and went about their day after seeing it.
I think that he should be in a mental institution because his cries for help were ignored.
His parents were negligent in leaving their gun out, and they ignored their child's cries for help.
I.M.O.
Grew up in an abusive home. Started working young, now i own a dog shelter. I am also a senior director at a big 5. I am 30 and never killed anyone.
Their defense of him being damaged is even more reason to keep him locked up
Exactly
The facts remain the same. Four precious lives lost in a horrific way. No Deal.
And countless lives ruined 😔
Who didn’t see this coming after his parents were jailed?
Was about to say the *same* thing. Although his parents 100% failed… a lot of the blame was seemingly taken off of him for their trials. Of course he was going to capitalize on that.
Yep, sentencing his parents was a slippery slope and now we've opened pandora's box. If his parents are guilty - then he may have a case since they are at fault.
@@iOakiehe not walking free no way
@@johndell5088I certainly hope not. He’s EXTREMELY dangerous to society.
@@johndell5088 not saying that, just saying that he may have a case.
When you claim you wanna go down in history as the biggest school shooter in a state... you are no longer a child... and i couldnt care less about your upbringing at that point...
baby we all traumatic childhood struggles, we don’t go around shooting schools up over it
He doesn't like being in prison, so now he's trying to find a way out of being accountable for his actions. 🙄
He learned that from his parents. No one in that family takes responsibility. They are holier than thou and complete whiners.
He is really going to make these families go through this trauma all over again. Wow. Just disgusting
He doesn’t care at all
The boy knows he can’t fathom or handle being in prison with terrifying monsters, that’s why he is doing this. He regrets being locked up for life.
Yeah it's prob a nightmare for him in there being extorted etc.
was thinking the same thing
Lol, he just realised how long a life sentence is and now he wants out, already bored of the 'school shooter' moniker.
He's not soo tough without a gun hahahahah this is most dudes in prison today haha they gang gang when they're free and have a gun but when they locked down they gey gey hahaha
@MetalsirenIXI if you're on TV they'll target you just to do it
It doesn't matter how bad your childhood was... shooting other people instead of yourself is unredeemable.
What about the 99.9999% of Everyone else who go through horrible things and DON’T commit atrocities?
It´s much less then you wrote, sadly.
Classic case of doing the crime but not being able to handle the time.
Oh boo hoo? I don’t care what your personal issues were. You want off this planet, go for it, but stop taking the innocent who want to live. Under the prison.
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My mother drank and smoked through her pregnancies in the 70’s……my brain didn’t shrink enough to want to kill anyone.
Ah makes sense now that he’s in adult jail he’s changing his tune
Got transferred on his 18th birthday, and now it is real. Can't bully the children now.
Yea it finally hit him with the question “Was 4 lives really worth it to be in a small room as the size of a bathroom for the rest of your life?”
He's in prison now, not jail.
@@Leslie_KnopeI think you knew what I meant, and my point stands. Sorry for mistyping 🙄
@@Leslie_Knopeoh who cares Lesley, we all knew what was meant.
If they’re arguing that he is so extremely dangerous due to his negligent mother drinking throughout pregnancy, causing foetal alcohol syndrome, their answer is to release him earlier, giving him the opportunity to do this again? They’re saying their murderous client should be freed sooner because he suffers from a condition that is responsible for him being unpredictably violent, so the public SHOULDN’T be protected from him? Madness.
@@lornaginetteharrison7168 Utter Madness!
Next the parents are going to say that their parents drank when they were in the womb…..
they probably did.
And the parents of THEIR parents.
Lol yup
I know right!
I would imagine most mothers do. Most women get pregnant after drinking so why would they stop. How could they stop for 9 months. Some women say they don't know they're pregnant for months. I'm sure most people's mothers drank alcohol while pregnant.
He is EXTREMELY dangerous to society. He better not get another trial.
This is my community. The posts on our local pages were heartbreaking and the trials have been so hard on the families. This has got to be so stressful for them to have to listen to another pity party again. I hope they don’t give him the time of day!!
Prayers for the families and y'all's entire community 💙
Absolutely Not. The fact that this is even a suggestion is insane.
He surely knew right from wrong. Period.
He also knew his mind was spiralling out of control... That's why he was asking his parents to help him. Medical and mental interventions could have helped his sick mind. But his parents did not care for that! It's awful.
No way this boy should be released
He's a man now.
Aww is he not liking his new life bebind bars
Now you’re seeing the consequences of your actions/choices.
“Childhood struggles”……stop with that being a reason for bad behavior. We ALL experienced struggles growing up. It’s LIFE.
I think he's really a bad seed! He looks creepy! almost devil like! I know this probably sounds crazy but I wonder if the devil chooses his victims at birth to carry out his destruction on earth!! Scary stuff! like Rosemary's baby!
Prison must be REALLY HARD on him. Think before you commit crimes, prison is not a fun or safe place to live.
I’m wondering if his psych meds are now working, and that’s why he is waking up and wants to offer a defense now
That judge was so badass. Loved watching her during the parkland trial. So articulate and intelligent she’s an inspiration to all women!
No no no. He must not have his guilty plea withdrawn. He was guilty. End of!! Keep him locked up forever.
Using the defense that your mom drank alcohol smoked cigs ate red beef & aged cheese is comical. There are millions & millions of people alive right now whose moms were drinking & smoking while pregnant. Ludicrous.
He's got a taste of prison and now he wants out. Wants to go back home. Oh poor baby. Unbelievable! These families I cannot even imagine going through this over and over😢
If his parents had just gotten him help, man. They could have stopped all of this
all they need to do was not a buy a gun.
@@wraynephew6838or put the free cable lock on it
This is the real world everyone was talking about - little boy needs to face the consequences!! People lost their lives.
Absolutely not
The audacity of him still trying to get out as if theres still future for him outside the jail
I live near Parkland. The Cruz verdict was disgraceful. Blaming fetal alcoholism is ridiculous and a slap in the face to each of the victim's loved ones.
Ethan Crumbley showed no mercy to his victims and Ethan Crumbley deserves no mercy
The attorney wearing a spider brooch during that closing still gets under my skin.
Whats the matter Ethan? Are you not having FUN with the life you dont deserve???
Right ! No FUN and not an entry in a diary! It’s REAL life kiddo
we wouldn't be talking about this if he would have got the electric chair the day after he was found guilty
I guess Prison is to harsh for him. He should've thought about the punishment before doing the crime.
Harsher than his former jail
The shooter had parents who are now serving sentences for HIS crime. He doesn’t get to claim that he didn’t properly understand WHAT he did much less what he confessed to. If his parents are accountable, so too is HE!
How is it that this young demon is still in control? People who have horrible childhoods don't kill. People chose their behavior and path no matter their childhood experiences. This is a horrible waist of money and time.
I mean… why didn’t he go after his parents that were terrible to him instead of people at his school?
These monsters think it’s all fun and games until there are no more fun and games. Guess he doesn’t vibe with Bubba
Alright, he could get parole after 400 YEARS.
How do defense lawyers even sleep at night???? why are we putting the families through all this knowing what this kid did??? Just stop it. He's where he belongs.
thats their job to legally represent and defend their client, regardless the nature and brutality of the crimes. so sad.
Maybe know one before you say that. How awful of you to attack defense lawyers
@@inheritmyshoes9559 yah welp I guess I'm awful. I don't understand how ANYONE could choose a profession that fights for the rights of monsters. And I knew many. I worked as a receptionist for one and I learned all I needed to know.
They sleep at night on a mattress from Mattress Firm. And they sleep "All... Night...Long! All Night...All Night Long!" Because they're not thinking about putting families through this again. They are making the argument that he was so abused as a child & baby in the womb that that's why he grew up and killed and didn't know any better.
I hope you are never falsely accused of a crime at some point in your life. All US citizens are entitled to a fair trial and a proper defense. It is the job of the defense lawyer to look at every area of evidence that is available to ensure that they are giving the defendant the best defense possible. It isn’t a personal attack at the victims and it isn’t because they simply want to set a monster free to live in the same society that they do. It is because they took an oath to uphold the constitution which includes the sixth amendment and if they know of evidence that may be used as a defense they are obliged to present it. Our system is not perfect and many many people have been falsely accused of crimes AND convicted.
The defense attorneys are not the criminals, let’s place anger where it belongs.
I will always blame the parents they failed this child and created a monster
Foetal alcohol syndrome isn’t a get out of jail free card.
Former Judge Scherer is absolutely correct... Even if the motion by defense is revisited by Judge Rowe, the bottom line will, in all likelihood, not change. You can't reasonably claim that this mental illness defense alleviates the culpability of the defendant enough to modify the initial sentence. In other words, the egregiousness of the act far outweighs any mitigating factor of a mental disorder which supposedly made him do this. This dude deserves to never be released from the confines of the MI DOC, same with the Parkland shooter.
Lots of people have terrible, hurtful childhoods and struggle tremendously still everyday.. only truly sick, disgusting people would want to harm/kill other people in the name of their own suffering. Shameful
NO!
Everyone want to do the crime but don't want to do the time. Everything is about them. Where's the justice for the victims. People just so selfish. So gross
My narcissist mother only ate pizza when I was in the womb in the 60's. She didn't breastfeed and we ate McDonald's after school every day in the 70's. I've had lifelong health issues since I was 7. In no way does that make me want to do anything to other people. Grow up and deal with it.
I find it disgusting that killers(young/old) find ways to get out off there punishment 🤮
I didn’t know that me growing up with both my parents being massive alcoholics and living in a neglectful, toxic, abusive environment justified me hurting people who never did anything to me.
Your “struggles” became irrelevant the day that you decided that you were justified in taking out all of your anger and misery on a bunch of young, innocent classmates whose lives were just getting started
The thing is he had the cognitive ability to draw out a plan then carry it out. Was he in special education? Had he been evaluated to show he had low cognitive functioning? Those are pertinent questions.
Ahhhhh when a life sentence sinks in…..
Just think about how many women don't have proper pregnancy nutrition. Probably the majority of humans, not even just in the US. This is ridiculous
His lawyers are just doing their job. You would would want your lawyers to do the same
nope..because i would not do what he did.
I wouldn’t commit murder so I don’t need a lawyer. Sounds like you would You need help for defending a murderer
Everybody deals with their struggles differently, but most people know not to deal with them like this.
True story, I was born with fetal alcohol syndrome and it was horrid for the first two years of my life. I know the stories and I have seen the medical records. It’s not pleasant and it has caused irreparable harm for me throughout my entire life. With that being said, however, at no point in my lifetime have I ever wished to harm anyone. Let alone multiple people.
I love Judge Scherer. She did the best job she could during the Parkland trial, considering how inhumane that entire trial was. It's a shame what happened in the fallout, but I really admire her intelligence and strength, and I hope she's doing well!
They should of kept Gypsy locked up too. There's alot of us who have childhood trauma but we don't go around plotting or murdering anyone....
Gypsy Rose was abused severely by her mother. Her mother nearly killed her. She should not have been kept locked up.
I feel like her case was self defense. Her mother forced her to be in a wheelchair, gave her meds that made her sick, isolated her, shaved her head and lied about her age. That poor girl was a victim through and through. She didn't kill kids.
@@cats.cant.contour8812 Exactly!! She also convinced doctors to perform surgeries on her that she didn't even need.
There’s a difference gypsy was being kept prisoner, and her abuse was ongoing
Gypsy killed the person who was harming her. That's a lot different. It wasn't right, but I kind of understand it.
Nothing but BS from Him and His Defense !
he decided the infamy wasn't worth a life in a cage.
he was quite premeditated.
dude ain't going anywhere.
Yeah, not buying this. 4 people died at his hands. You can’t say he didn’t know what he was doing he said “ he wanted to be the biggest school shooter” many people struggle with mental health and don’t kill.
One positive thing about Judge Scherer stepping down from the bench - we get to enjoy her on the show! Please, bring her more often.
Why are so many criminals getting a slap on the hand ? What about the rights of the victims ?
This kid makes me glad I don't have children
If this kid gets away with this on a technicality, the justice system will never recover from the damage it will cause
Court system is a joke forreal they just keep making up excuses for his vile actions
what? his lawyers put in the motion to withdraw it, it wasn’t granted or anything?? Literally their job to do
Why are these people always doing this?
The system is made for criminals
The judge has terrific cheekbones.
Why would anyone consider letting this waste of breath out of prison !!!
My Mom chain smoked while pregnant with me. I have learning disabilities, and bipolar disorder, however my empathy runs deep. I am not going to lie, I get extremely angry and want to act out on people that abuse anyone especially children, but I never have and hopefully never will.hurt anyone. Thanks for listening everyone.
I could never be a judge because the minute defendants came in my court room with this kinda BS, I'd just roll my eyes and say the verdict stands hahaha
childhood struggles? way too late?
This should have been talked about and brought in trial in the beginning. Once you forfeit your trial to a guilty verdict than all bets are off when it comes to insanity
this is why not everyone should be able to get a gun .
These lawyers will reach for anything 🤦🏾♀️
Those poor families. Making them go through yet another trial like that. I wish I could hug them....
It irritates me that people claim not fit for trial when they are faced with some real serious charges. This method needs to be questioned.
I find this a really sad case all the way around. I remember when it all first came out, a lot of information was exposed from social media and friends that made it very clear, this kid never had a chance. The way he was raised was basically to be ignored and abused. It seemed like what the parents did was basically create a killer. I was so glad when those parents
were found guilty. As for Ethan, while it is incredibly sad how he was raised, the fact remains that he did indeed kill those students and therefore I can't see how his sentence could be changed. It seem there could be the possibility that mental health care MIGHT help him, but that would be a long shot, and sadly our system, as it is, would doubtfully be able to give him the type of help he would need. This is just a no win for anybody.
Perhaps the biggest take away in all of this , in my mind, is that if parents aren't interested in actually raising children, they shouldn't have any. I hope the Crumbleys are never allowed to get near any child ever again.
He’s a monster. He should never be let out.I feel sorry for the families of the victims having to be possibly put through another trial.
If you take a life other then self defense or sumthing out of your control life in prison or death sentence
Just a waste of taxpayers money. He’s guilty regardless of historic events and he will never be safe if not under control in prison.
9:33 who’s paying for all this court fees
Us
What next, we gonna blame air quality and GMO? 🤣foh
I believe that the food processing in USA is ruining the quality of life for kids. There is so much junk and chemicals. I bet in 25 years these newborns will be suing these energy drink makers and Frito-Lay.
global warming or the economy
I dont know how this woman became a judge. She has ZERO patience, and simply doesn't seem to have the emotionally stability needed for a high stressed position.
1:45 all the more reason to keep him locked up for life with no parole.
I smoked through 4/5 of my pregnancies. Not one of my girls have gone in to murder anybody. Three of them are adults. The other two I’ll let u know in ten years when they are adults. As a nurse I have heard of FAS. Not everyone with FAS grows up to murder. It’s actually very rare.
No, I had a horrible childhood including SA adults in my life, being around constant drug use, and having to deal with the foster care system which is extremely broken but never in a million years would I end someone else’s life because mine wasn’t great. It’s selfish he needs to stay where he’s at.
Really inappropriate for the judge scherer to try to profit on her handling of a case by appearing on a UA-cam channel.
Right!!? Ohh we will talk about how his process was probably rushed and inappropriate. Lets bring another example of similar case, and they bring her 🤦🏽♀️. Did the appeals for Parkland already passed? Because is a miracle that trial wasn’t overturned.
How is SHE profiting by doing an interview on someone's channel?
@@TheUnderCoverMother2020she is also writing a book about the case.
@@lhr8833 That didn't really answer their question though, she's not profiting off of taking an interview lol?
@@gyrthez246 I’m not sure, are they paid for those interviews? I think is the first time I see a judge talking about a case in interviews. Specially saying what should be done in a similar case, using hers as an example, that was pure mess 🤦🏽♀️. But I’m not sure if she gets paid for the interviews, maybe she does it because is promotion for her book. Who knows
What an absolute pos for putting the victims family through more agony
Please have Judge Scherer on more. She is very impressive!