I Bought an Airplane
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Yes! I bought an airplane! This program has some initial numbers and breaks down the monthly expenses. Owning an airplane can be affordable... but the upgrades.... That is what will get me. Watch this program to find out what ownership costs.
Similar story. Never had the time and money at the same time required to become an active pilot. After retirement from the fire department, and 4 of 5 kids grown, bought a Cherokee 140/160 and am on the verge of solo (19 hours). No regrets.
Jim Gerhardt congratulations!!!! You’ll have your ppl in no time ! Where are you based out of?
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Ditto. Got the kids out of the house and found the money. Got my Sport Pilot at age 54, PP at 55. I'm 57 now and buying my first plane. Happy Flying!
I retired from FD as well Jim. My dream is to do the same once kids are out of home. May just stick with Sport Pilot.
Never too late to fly! ;)
You're only as old as you feel. I'm almost 78 and still bouncing around in the 421B I've owned for the last 30 years.
That's exactly where I want to be! And where we all should be! Thanks for watching... More programs to come once my nose gear seal gets fixed...
raymondkoonce 421B is a very nice ride. A bargain compared to the Cs and over all tremendous values.
Greetings gentlemen. I'm 60 with no medical issue except I need to wear reading glasses at this age. I was wondering if they will still allow me to learn to fly. I started taking up lessons 10 years ago and had about 10 hours flying with CFI but personal problems prevented me to continue. I wanted to start all over again this year. My goal is just to buy a Cessna 150 someday and just have fun with it until I can not get off my chair on my own. Take care and God bless.
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@@davidwebb3134, of course you can still continue to learn to fly.....and good luck to you, I hope you do it.
I'm 57 and I got my licence back in 91/92 and did around 80 hours all up, but for various reasons never went on with it......but have always considered myself a pilot (because I earned that right) and have always felt that one day I will make a comeback!
Age 53 in 2015 when i completed PP VFR. Loved it. IFR and joined a club (2 pipers and a cardinal) at 54. Learned a lot about planes and flying from the club members. At 55, i sold my club membership and bought into a 25% mooney partnership. Learned more about high performance, complex planes. At 56 i just purchased my own mooney with the rocket conversion. Fly about 400 hrs per yer - old dogs eat new tricks for lunch!
Thanks for the video it is very inspiring. I am 46 years old and starting my Private Pilot training in the next month.
Good luck with your training, have fun. It's a life changer for sure, in a positive way. Cheers.
How is the training going man? I'm looking in to starting hopefully in the next year.
i just started a month ago and i'm 55. boys and there toys
Thanks for the shout out! I enjoyed our time together doing the inspection, as well as the followup with Bob Russell. Glad to see you are enjoying it!
Keith Peterson thanks Keith ! Hope all is well !!!
@@Over50andLearningToFly I'm 52 and started Hang Gliding training using aerotow back in November.
I used to fly a 1968 Cardinal all over. You are right about the two seater comment. Nice looking airplane just wish there was more power.
Yes over 50 and learning to fly, that's me!
Dan Morgan Same here. As soon as COVID-19 is behind us.
I’m 53 and taking lessons now. Progress check #1 tomorrow. I’m hoping to be able to own a 182 someday. Thanks for sharing 😃
Skylane ever happen?
Mr Slushydaminator no not yet. Probably won’t.
Congrats! I have the '77 version of the Cardinal, in almost exactly the same color scheme. The Cardinal is a wonderful and stable airplane. It got me through the instrument rating torture drill at age 62. So you're still a youngster. -:) Have fun and enjoy the ride. Forrest
nietztsuki thanks!!! I absolutely love the airplane !
Congratulations on your new airplane! It has some some very sexy lines and I would have thought it was a far newer model of aircraft.
Excellent video!
Just came across your channel. I took my first flight lesson last summer, at 60, done 5 lessons now. I’m doing an online groundschool for RPL and hope to complete my lessons next summer. Once you’ve been in the sky, there’s no going back.
You got yourself an under-50 subscriber! I'm 23 and I plan on starting my flight training within the next month. Looking to buy my own plane now. I enjoy your videos so much. Thanks for all of the great information!
Congratulations! Dream big! Fly high!
When I was 18, I worked for a FBO in Nacogdoches, Texas (east Texas, home of the Stephen F. Austin University Lumberjacks) in that time period and we had a Cardinal also. Everything you described was just like ours. Grossly under powered. The owner upgraded to a 180hp engine with a constant speed prop and we saw very little difference except fuel consumption. The airplane to buy in a Cessna is the 182 Skylane. Now that's a great plane.
Love the Cardinal...My dad had one for about 10 years and then had to hang up his pilots wings due to his age. Great plane and easy to get into with the wide doors and lack of a strut.
Absolutely! So why don’t you have one ? 😉
This popped up in my rec'd videos. The minute it started, I knew exactly what airport this was. I am enrolled in flight school at Potomac as we speak. Great vid!
Congratulations!!! That’s an awesome flight school !
Congratulations! I bought my first aeroplane at 57 - good to see you made the decision when you were so young! : )
It's great to be able to follow a dream. Good for you!
The Cardinal is an interesting bird. A little weird to fly and definitely underpowered, but you can take great pictures of stuff on the ground without the struts in the way. I bought a 1973 Cherokee for $42,000 in 2015. I taught my daughter to fly it. She built up 110 hours in it over the next 3 years. I sold it in 2018 for $47,000. Buying an airplane to get your ratings is the SMARTEST way to do it. I keep telling people online about this method, but most don't believe me. These old planes don't decrease in value. You just have to avoid putting an engine in one. That's the biggest "gotcha". Good luck with the Cardinal and good luck finding the centerline!! :)
quinnjim We are doing the same thing for our 15 year old daughter. 68 150hp. Considering power options.
Thanks for this channel. I'm 52 and am in the middle of flight training. You inspire me sir!
That is awesome!
Good for you!
Hope you two are very happy together.
Blue skies & tail winds, Captn.
Congratulations on your purchase! Thanks for explaining why you bought the plane, your mission, and what you plan to do to it.
Beautiful older Cardinal ! I love those airplanes. I logged a lot of time in one, the FBO I worked at owned. The lines of that plane were just sleek and the visibility was great. Yes, they are underpowered and a 180 would sure help. But that aside, you own your airplane ! That’s something few pilots are ever able to say, so congrats and thanks for sharing ! Safe skies my friend ! 🛩🇺🇸
I'm following in your footsteps! Thanks for the inspiration. I'm joining the over 50 and learning to fly!
Russ canFLY! Sorry i haven’t put any new content up - working on my instrument rating now ! 😆
Hey, it's all good brother! We are in a stage in life when things are hectic all the time. Just know that you have been successful in getting folks like us off of the couch and into the air!
@@RusscanFLY Spread the word!!!!!!
Love the video. I'm 51 and just started some online flying instruction. I thought maybe I was a little late, and was wondering if i was being silly. I was also pricing some used airplanes to get an idea of the cost. This inspires me. Thanks!
Hi David, I am 58 and was wondering along same lines :) By now I have over 150 hours and working on my instrument rating. No regrets! you will love it! a great hobby for when retired!
Good inspirational video. I’m 61 and working on getting my license too. I also bought a Piper Comanche 180. Putting the cart before the horse. Oh well. Cheers
Dan Leavitt awesome!
Congratulations and welcome to the club. I own a 73 RG and love it.
My dad waited until he was 61 to try and get his vfr ppl single. Unfortunately, heart attack at 60 nixed the physical. He was crushed. Can still fly his Kolb Firefly, perhaps even get a Light Sport, but his ppl dream would appear to be dead.
Moral is, do it as soon as you can.
Good luck with it mate! Fly safely!
I'm 44 and want to start flight training! Congratulations on your purchase!
Great video! Well done and very cool purchase!
You must be proud, very nice, enjoy.
I had some flying lessons and they were amazing.
Friendly suggestion; get shoulder harnesses on those seat belts that you are going to replace. I would suggest a 5 point restraint, 4 point restraint at the least. Do not settle for just a strap across a single shoulder. Personally I would not fly in an airplane with only a lap belt for a seat belt. Face planting on an instrument panel will absolutely ruin your day after an otherwise survivable simple mishap; ask me how I know!
Apack Westbound it’s next!
Agreed. Your seats need to be taller for your safety...ie: head rests for cervical spine stability. So many GA aircraft seat belts cut into the pilot and PAX jugular and carotid neck areas. At least Cirrus has upgraded their design and installed curved padded dual shoulder belts that avoid critical neck pressure points. Do you plan to change out the seats? I think people were smaller during the Revolutionary War. 😂 Lovely airplane! Congratulations! Going to Oshkosh??
Nice story. Enjoy the plane!!
Just FYI and maybe someone else has already mentioned this but if you check into an exhaust system upgrade it can greatly improve HP for this engine. Beautiful plane thought.
Lonnie Land Thanks Lonnie I do have a power flow exhaust on it which does give it some more horsepower but it’s nothing like the 180 it should have!😆
@@Over50andLearningToFly Powerflow makes a fairing for that honkin' exhaust pipe, it will reduce drag a bit and more important improve airflow to keep your engine cooler.
cardinals are one of the best looking high wing aircraft ever built. Visibility is great... no strut and you can see up and down because the wings are further aft. The door open extremely wide. Congratulations!
Apache Longbow thanks !!! Stay tuned !
The Cardinal is the airplane I want...just love the look of them.
Plus the entry/ease is great. I'm getting too old to climb in and out of Cherokee,/Bonanza. Cardinal is the way to go.
Nice video. Your plane looks nice in the air. I fly my Cardinal 177RG all over the Pacific NW. With 200 horses and the gear up it's a good performer.
Beautiful plane! Have fun out there!
Congratulations! I have always thought Cardinals were beautiful.
Great video. I’m 52 and just bought a piper archer. I’m in the time building stage and am looking to upgrade avionics myself. Great channel
Piper Pilot thanks ! I have a bunch of cool stuff to post .... thanks for watching !
Awesome. Will be watching.
Great video! I just bought my first plane (1962 C172D) in March 2018. I have the Continental O-300 (145 HP) and it's a dog on hot humid days. I've been a pilot since 2006, but hadn't been flying for several years. But similar mission profile as yours: Time building, working on IFR, ADS-B upgrade (coming in March 2019), etc. Similar operating costs. Congratulations.
Love the Cardinal!
Awesome my friend, now you are living my dream... and the cardinal is a beautiful plane... many happy landings and looking forward to follow your owner adventures... nicely done...
Thanks! more adventures to come!
Yes on instrument rating, yes on com, com rating tightens up your skills. Fun rating. Good for you what ever direction you go.
I have been instructing for a long time, it's fun. Good plane for basic flying. Cheers.
Congratulations!
Wow, I recognize W29 Bay Bridge airport where I got my private in a Cardinal. Loved that plane. I had the stronger engine and actually took up four people. Many trips to Ocean City in it and the Outer banks of North Carolina. Congrats on your purchase.
Good post! I'm a prior aircraft owner, so I'm not new to that. I'm looking at buying a Cardinal around mid-year. I plan on using the prebuy inspection. Did the $1500 price tag cover Keith's transportation to/from the location?
I just turned 49 recently...classic AOPA Rusty Pilot...flew a lot in my teens and 20's...bought a house, life got busy...now getting back into it. I would love to own my own since the club airplane isn't my favorite to fly ...
Where Nerdy is Cool! Then you should definitely do it there’s plenty of people out there you can into a partnership with us if you want to go that route but it’s actually pretty affordable!
Very nice, thanks for sharing the video and your adventures. I have co-owned a 74 Cardinal for the past 5 years and love it! Very stable instrument platform (did my instrument checkride last year at the age of 59). One of the best upgrades we have done so far are BAS inertial reel seat belts. Aside from improved safety benefits, they allow using the excellent Cardinal visibility to the fullest extent.
Way back when I flew a 1977 Cardinal. I loved it. It not only flew beautifully but looked great. It had the 180 HP engine and a constant speed prop. It didn't exactly leap off the ground -- initial rate of climb was (according to the manual) 840 fpm. Cruise speed at 7,500 feet is listed as 142 MPH at 75% power, burning just over 10 GPH. Not bad for the time.
If you upgrade take a look at the RV line. They're extremely popular (10,000 sold!) 2-place easy-to-build kit planes and cost maybe 50 - 100K. The performance is phenomenal; an RV-7A with a 180 HP engine will climb at over 1600 fpm and cruise at about 200 MPH burning as little as 8.5 GPH. (And NO, I'm not a dealer or salesman, just a fan)
56 And first two flying lessons in a PA28 last week. Making sure I pass my EASA medical before booking more lessons. Your video only serves to reinforce my determination to make the grade!
Best of luck! I co-own a PA28 with two others. Fantastic starter plane!
Wow, I'm glad I found this video. I'm 49 and willing to take flying lessons sometime next year. I can see from your experience it's not expensive. You don't have a powerful with latest glass cockpit aircraft, and you can't fly fast and high, but you can fly.
Mauricio Castro Absolutely get up there and get in the air! Thanks for watching!
Good move....far cheaper than renting and in fact with G.A. aircraft you'll recover your costs on sale... so you are building time for free!
I owned Cardinal N3212T for about 3 years. It was a 1967 C177. I disagree regarding not being a 4 place airplane. With 50 gallons of fuel you can trade 20 gallons (120 lbs) and take another person. I too bought it when I had about 200 hours. It is a great airplane. BTW - I like the paint job on your airplane. Looks great.
Good video and info. Best of luck.
If you pull out the back seat, make sure a mechanic calculates a new empty weight & balance (to be legal), and make sure it's even permitted to remove the rear seats (they may be listed on the equipment list, which may make it required for airworthiness. Perhaps a FSDO could issue a waiver)
Awesome channel. I got 32 hours when I was in my 20’s and then the family came and I never got back to it until last year. I am now 53 and a few flights short of my PPL. I already have my eye on a C172 that is for sale at my local club. I can’t wait.
Congrats and have fun! I love my little Cardinal. This week she gets a Garmin G5 (current attitude indicator is dying). That will be phase 1 of a multi-phase process of getting her IFR ready.
Don’t dump too much money into her. Fly the heck out of her... then sell her and get a more powerful aircraft. Updating the dash will cost you around $50-70K. YOU WILL NEVER GET YOUR MONEY BACK OUT OF HER... I know, because I’m dumping $300K into a Aerostar Superstar 700. I will never see that money back again... all the best
Robert Kaindl Ouch. 300k? WTF?
Nice video, good job on keeping it interesting and to the point. We all miss the centerline occasionally. :)
I logged a couple of dozen hours in 68 Cardinal back in the early 90s not long after I got my PPL. Being a bit under powered would have been my only complaint.
A friend of mine and I flew it to Willows CA once for breakfast. In a very recent conversation about flying he remembered that flight and specifically said he thought the 177 was pretty cool plane.
I thought it was cool too. I’ll add that I am more a fan of the stiff leg versions on the Cardinal.
Congrats on your new baby.
CurtisSAC thanks !!!!
Currently in a tug-of-war trying to decide on a 180-H.P. 172 or 177/higher H.P. too.
(Fixed gear)
Love the video updates.
Please do keep up this great series.
Both planes will be very strong in the resale market and parts will be available when you need to fix your aircraft so either a craft is going to be great! Thanks for watching
@@Over50andLearningToFly watching...is easy. Thanks for the reply!
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I'm learning to fly at 55. Never to late to follow your dreams.
I own a 1991 Nissan Skyline R32 GTR . I paid $27,000 for it. I've had it for 3.5 years and put about $5000+ into it a year (60% Labor, 40% parts). I think your plane might be a more affordable passion to live with except for maybe the gas prices. I appreciate your videos!
Nice video, I bought a C172H and learnt to fly in and they as you say a great safe plane to get hours up in and great for cross country flying.
FANTASTIC! I'm happy for you, and there's nothing wrong with a Cardinal. It's a comfortable time builder and you'll learn more from flying it than a Mooney, Bonanza or C-210. "Low and slow is the way to go..." and it only took me a 50 year flying career to learn that. So you started at age 50? So What! Forty years ago I took a lady for an hour (introductory flight) to celebrate her 50th birthday. She learned to fly in a Grumman TR-2. The day after she got her Pvt license, she and her husband departed Auburn, CA for a cross country to Key West, Florida and back! She bought a Piper Warrior and I trained her for her instrument ticket. She traded that for a Mooney Ranger (took her instrument checkride in it), and the day after getting her rating, flew form Auburn to Maine, down to Key West thru the New York area (logging about 10 hours of actual instrument time) and back to California. I retired out of a Citation CJ2, twelve years ago now. I would like nothing more, now, than to get something to fly low and slow, navigate by looking out the windows, and fly from one uninproved airport to another. carlynneracing@sbcglobal.net
You should look into a hangar. I’m sure you have!! Being up north on a tie down will Severely impact hours flown in the winter months.
wishing you many happy landings!
Same to you!
Hi, my first a/c in 1992 was a 1967 cardinal 3212t. I disagree with your comment that it is a 2 person a/c. It has 48 gallon tanks and you can easily trade fuel for payload. I recall the payload with full fuel was about 600 lbs. I had a partner and we were based in Danbury CT (DXR) at the time. We frequently flew to Nantucket with our wives. I think you’re going to be unpleasantly surprise by the upgrade costs. Last I looked G430W were about $5500 but don’t forget the installation costs. Likewise for the ADSB transponder. Meanwhile it was a relatively fast and extremely roomy A/C. I’m sure you’ll enjoy it like I did mine. Looks like a great paint job. Regards, John
Absolutely! You are right about trading fuel for payload. I am still under 300 hours, so I am going to lean on the conservative side of the safety curve and keep it a 2 person airplane, until I can get something bigger! :-) I have decided against the 430 - I am just going to put a new transponder and a couple of reconditioned instruments to keep the costs down. Thanks for watching!
Ok. Get ready for the 177-150 hp bashers, the 172 is better tribe, etc.
Beautiful bird. Every a/c is a compromise; "you can't always get what you wawannt!"- Stones.
This is the 172 racer version. A lot to like. Like a Helio Stallion, sitting in front of the leading edge is a great plus for vision in turns. VGs are a great addition and more for the buck mod.
I hope you have many flawless hours in the air with her.
Sweet purchase.
Love the cardinal!!!!
Nice!! I'm over 60 63 to be exact and doing the same thing you're doing I don't know what I'm going to buy I'm about ready to walk into this flight school and with no driver's license it should be interesting but such is life good luck on the plane be safe see you in the air
I just turned 50 and I'm in grad school for engineering. Flight training starts after I get the upgraded sheep skin.
I just started my PPL training @ 38, with intentions of going commercial. I've been tossing around the idea of buying a plane to offset the costs of renting a C172 for $175/hr. Thanks for the inspiration!
HamBown81 You are young man!
Yes it was grandfather owned Skyhawk single engine very nice plane an enjoyed it every time we went up.
Love those! Congrats!
I love the Cardinal. It is a beautiful plane.
Thanks for the upload and insight regarding the cost of Airplane ownership. I'm already 60 and wondering is it to late to learn to fly? My goal is just to buy a Cessan 150 someday and just have fun with it forever. Again, thanks for sharing your enthusiasm and passion. More update please.
Seems like yesterday when I first viewed this, upon your posting it!
“TIME…”
First, congrats! The Cardinal is a wonderful airplane. I personally owned a 68 Cardinal for several years, and I loved it. I only sold because I owned 3 airplanes at the time, and plan to eventually own a later model Cardinal with constant speed prop and retracts. But still, the Cardinal is a much nicer airplane than a Cessna 172, and usually costs less to acquire. Having owned single engine airplanes for over 20 years, I have one fairly straightforward observation. New airplane owners often make the mistake of thinking that the major cost of an airplane is the purchase price and the operational costs, fuel, insurance, hangar etc. What separates an airplane from a car is not how much it costs or how much fuel it uses, it's the maintenance. There is a reason that your Cardinal is nearly as good as a brand new airplane, even though it is 51 years old. It has been maintained ever single year (hopefully) and anything that made it unairworthy was fixed every year. How many 1968 cars are still around? If they had been maintained like airplanes are, there would still be plenty of 1968 cars on the road. The thing to know is that this kind of constant maintenance is very expensive compared to what it costs to maintain a car. Upgrades are an expensive part of the process as you already know...
That's awesome! Enjoy ...
Very beautiful airplane, hope it serves you well.
Beautiful Cardinal! Sporty, roomy, sleek lines and modern looking...more so than the new Cessna 172/182!👍 Cessna should produce this body, as the new 172 Skyhawk, with the addition of T-handle throttle and Jet-A power plant. Also, its more aerodynamic. (Of course all other modern upgrades too).
Very nice! I'm looking to buy a 172 or 177 in the very near future to get my IFR, commercial, and possibly CFI in. Have fun flying.
Jason Hughes we are in the same boat ! Awesome and thanks for watching !
My kids have left the house, I’m 51 and just got my PPL. Love to fly!
Awesome!!!!!
Be sure to have your wing-spar inspected. I understand it is not commonly inspected as it requires getting under the headliner. Recently a Cessna 210 in Australia was in a fatal accident due wing separation as a result of the wing-spar failing.
Absolutely- had it inspected last year! Thanks for watching!
Congrats! Love the info and love your sense of humor " don't judge me" lol
Thanks for the great video, nice plane I'm also over 50 and going after my private pilots license . Will be buying my own plane very soon also.
Rainer Beran That’s really awesome and you’re gonna love every minute of it!
Congrats! I’m 52 and flying is still my dream!
Nice to hear you mention a boat. Bring Out Another Thousand. For sure! Beats renting to build time.
The Cardinal is my favorite light four place airplane. I bought one of the earliest models with a bashed-in nose gear. It was sold prior to the AD on the elevator to keep pilots from bashing the nose gear trying to fly it like a 150.
Jim Foreman awesome- do you still have it ?
@@Over50andLearningToFly No, over the years I've owned five Cardinals with the last one being a 200hp RG. Then I moved up to their big brother, the 210. Age and lack of flying finally told me to hang up my goggles when renewing my medical came around on my 76th birthday. I miss flying or rather miss hanging around with other pilots but there's a season to all things. I turned 90 last month and feel fine.
@@JimForeman My Dad's 90 .... he is fine too - he is even driving and dating.... I'm not even doing that! :-) You can always go to the airport and hang out and get a ride with another pilot out there.... plenty of people looking for company!
Congrats. I bought a Cherokee at age 54 and learned to fly in her. Put 420hrs on her, in the 7 years of ownership. Flew to Oshkosh 4 out of the 7 years. It was a great time and I thoroughly enjoyed flying. Best of luck.
12FlyVA That sounds exactly like what I did in fact I’m going to have to miss Oshkosh this year but I was one of the lead pilots last year in the mass arrival for the Cessnas -I had a blast thanks for watching!
Nice airplane. Thanks for the cost information... seems others are reluctant to share that data, so it's really appreciated.
Ken Paulsen Yeah I plan to be open with all that just to give everybody else and idea of how much it costs it is expensive but it’s not impossible!
Hi there
You do post quite a bit of informative video. That's good.
I would like to know is you can post videos on two topics.
1. Can you put together a video on the process of registering a newly acquired aircraft, to include, all necessary forms, fees and where to submit these forms.
2. What is the process, forms needed and fees in changing an AIRCRAFT Tail Number.
I am currently looking at a cardinal and wanted to understand the process before stepping out into making a commitment.
Thanks for the video on having a pre buy individual when checking out an aircraft.
PS: I have asked a few UA-camrs for the same info, but no responses.
Thanks for your reply, and thanks so much for watching! I’m so glad you like these videos. I am so busy with other work I don’t think I could post any videos for a couple of weeks….However if you are a member of Aopa they have amazing resources and they have all the information that you need on their website. If you’re not a member it’s really worthwhile to join and become a member and then you could just call them and they’ll give you everything over the phone in one call it’s it couldn’t be any easier - again thanks so much for watching!
@@Over50andLearningToFly Hi. Thanks once again. You are truly amazing with inspiration.
I will do just that.
Remember to always keep the landing heard level beneath you. Smile 😁😛
I love the 177!.. The cantilever wing is SO cool!
Yes it is,; but I would add downturned wingtips and vortex generators to shorten the T.O. distance.
I would also add a more powerful engine, like the 200 hp Lycoming I.O. 360 used in the R.G.
This will make a real honest aircraft out of it.😉
I'm over 50 and I'm just crawlin' to be a Pilot. Love the plane.
TREVOR DAWSON do it! Thanks for watching!
Hi!
Congratulations on your channel!
That being said, I love the 177, so much so that I am looking to buy one, hopefully this year.
I have a question for you.
You have a 150hp engine, have you flown with 4 adults?
And if so, how was the performance?
Thanks and happy landings.
Be very careful when traveling with four adults the plane does not have that much of a useful load even with 180 hp engine so make sure you do your weight and balance properly and leave plenty of room for margin. I wouldn’t recommend flying with four adults Just for safety sake the planes that really made for it. Congratulations on the cardinal it’s a awesome airplane.!
Thanks for the advise.
I will look more into it.
Thanks again.
Congratulations, it's a very beautiful airplane.
Congrats. I've been flying a Cardinal for thirty years. A flying club helps with the financials.