Don't ya just love how everyone knows just how to fix your problem without knowing your horse nor have they ever seen the Sierra Horse Halter. Pulling back is one of the most frightening and dangerous of habits a horse can have. Too many of these horses end up at the cannery. A simple tool like the Sierra Horse Halter can save these horses without special trainers being involved and very little trauma. Good for you and Jancy!!
Your crap halter is a tool of abuse! I have raised 3 fillies and rehabbed 2 draft horses, all had potentially dangerous habits ranging from biting to kicking to rearing. All were fixed with REAL training, not the use of a painful gimmick. This horse has obviously been allowed to get away with everything, your crappy torture device won't fix that! And I have seen your halter in action, it's nothing more than a modified war bridle and causes just as much pain. I could easily see some nerve damage happening with a horse out of his mind in panic. The owner of Jancy failed this poor filly by not training her properly to begin with and then using abuse as a quick fix! Shame on both of you!
I'm surprised how easy these people talk about getting rid of the horses. To the glue factory, to the cannery, whatever. They want to do everything in a hurry instead of taking the time to train a horse properly. PUlling back might be a dangerous habit, but there's a reason why the horse does that.
I respect you for wanting to break your horse of the pull back habit. Indeed that is a dangerous habit to have. Watching some of your other videos It's pretty obvious to me that this all comes down to one word: Respect. Even with this halter on she still would buck and act a fool and still would continue to be disrespectful. The pull back video you have her being brushed and her pulling back was interesting. She stood quite well for about 5 minutes. Her body language was telling me, "Come on let's do something. I'm bored." She pulled back not because she was scared, but because she was rather done being tied and and wanted to go do something else. From what I can see, she's not pulling back out of fear, she just wants to go do something else. I tell people that no magical stick and string, halter, lead line, special saddle, or bit will make their horse behave. In the end it all comes down to us and how well we can respond to what our horses do. Your horse doesn't see you as the leader and she's taking full advantage of that. She is also a filly and is still learning and has a lot of spunk by the looks of it. I tell people to pick their battles. If she doesn't want to stand still then put her bottom to work until she wants too. If she wants to move then let her move :). She's just telling me in these videos that she's a spunky youngster who needs to be taught some manors. Please don't think I am cracking on you by any means. I promise I am not. I am just simply telling you what I see. I wish you luck in training this youngster. :)
You are correct; she is a young filly, is still learning, and has a lot of spunk. I have worked very hard to create a safe, respectful horse. I don't think, pulling back on the cross ties habit, has anything to do with respect. She probably did get board the first time she pulled back, in an attempt to get out of the cross ties and do something different, but the pulling back turned into a fearful situation for her quickly. 1. she got board and wanted to get out of the cross ties 2. she pulled back 3. she felt a lot of pressure on her poll 4. she got really scared and panicked. Once ingrained in her brain, it became a habit. Horses are habitual, not stupid or resentful. I really don't think it has anything to do with being disrespectful. Making her feet move every time she pulls back would be exponentially time consuming for this Thoroughbred filly. She doesn't tire easy and even thrives on movement! You are also correct that there is no one tool that will teach respect, in and of itself, but some of the tools we use such as: halters, bridles, saddles, bits etc...are better than others (and they are ALL tools). In my experience, this halter beats Clinton Anderson's and Monty Roberts (although they have their place and work well in many situations - so I'm not knocking them) there is just no other tool, that I'm aware of, that cures this pulling back habit. And it does more than that: Did you notice how she started to rear up when lounging and I was able to pull and release on the lounge line and get her immediately under control? That's a powerful tool. What trainer working with a dangerous horse wouldn't want to have that kind of power? Thanks for your comment. I wish you the best of luck will all your equine encounters!
+Janet Wolforth I have thought about that before, that with a hot, endurance-bred animal, moving their feet might not always be the answer. How will this translate into riding? I have been told that disengaging a lot will cure any number of ills, would you think it would work on a horse like yours? I ask since we have a young race/ endurance type of Arab to train. He is 6, so not as much of a handful on the line. I invented a riding device that works on the same principles, but I have not tested it on the Arab yet. I want to get all the bugs out first before I try it on him. Anyway, thanks for posting. It is true, we have been piddling away at our equine probs for years, but it wasn't until we tried this type of halter, that we saw the problems start to disappear.
Good luck with your invention! Moving the feet can be valuable in a number of ways, for sure. What helped this horse more than anything, in the long run, was teaching her to yield e.g., give and not resist pressure on the ground. Another thing I highly recommend is conditioning. Check out the work Jec Ballou. jecballou.com/
Thank you for showing your case. I also have a TB that pulls ocassionally when she gets in panic when tied, and I need some help to break the habit before is too late.
The blocker ring was working. It releases pressure when the horse pulls back. If you would have watched the instructional video on it you would have known how to use it. I’ve always used it to train horses not to pull back. Never had a problem with a horse not learning to stand tied. All this could be trained with a standard rope halter and time.
well in the video you said that clint Andersons halter and lead didn't stop him from kicking or doing what erver you said well the lead rope and halter is not made to stop your horse from kick that's you falt you didn't handle hem correctly. I have one and I the right hands and proper use they work
You needed to solidly tie her. With a bungee cord and the slip ring thing, she got release after she broke or pulled it way out. So to get what she wanted, she needed to do that behavior. If you would've tied her to something solid and made a good knot, she would've done her little act up routine, and wouldn't have been able to get the release she wants by yanking back. She would've gotten release after she stopped being crazy and yanking on the rope. People, don't waste your money on useless products
Your horse pulls back because he learned that when he pulls he gets free. All you need is a rope halter. But he should be worked with and tought how to give to pressure before you use a rope halter.
I didn't use a rope halter to train her because I did not want to damage her poll area. The Sierra Halter doesn't apply pressure to the poll, in fact; the pressure is RELEASED from behind the ears (on the poll) AND it pulls the nose to the chest, so it works in a way that is completely different than any halter on the market. This mare was trained to give to pressure and had no problem giving to pressure at all, other that when tied. I admit, I tied her way to young and she did learn to pull back and break free, that was my fault (as it is when we train horses; their "bad behavior" is most of the time caused by something stupid the owner and/or trainer does. It's up to us to figure it out and provide the best, most humane solution
Your horse is the way she is when you are lunging her because of your technique, it is not correct. A lot of your handling of her is incorrect. That is not how ANY horsemen does it. You need to review the DUH method if you are going to be using his name and telling people you are.
I have no idea what the DUH method is or even understand what you're saying when you say "if you are going to be using his name and telling people you are", but I do know the John Lyons method and lunging horses is not rocket science. There ARE many ways to do it incorrectly, but no ONE method that works any better than any other CORRECT method. Break it down: Horse moves around in a large circle, trainer moves around in a smaller circle, trainer stays behind the "drive line" encouraging the horse to move forward. Trainer sends energy to the hips to encourage the horse to yield the hindquarters and come to a stop. I'm also not so sure what you mean by "the horse is the way she is" because I think she is demonstrating some normal behaviors of a 1 year old Thoroughbred horse with a pedigree of race horses that include both Alydar and Affirmed (google them if you don't know who they are). She was easier to control on the lunge line using the Sierra Horse Halter. I don't do a lot of lounging because horses are not able to bend correctly and turn in a circle when their heads are held in towards to the center of the circle. All you have to do to understand this is to watch a horse free lounge and examine the way they hold their head and neck.
Janet Wolforth DUH is Downunder Horsemanship and you use Clinton Anderson's name in your video and attempt to use his concept. And no you do not move around in a small circle or move your feet at all while lunging. That is my exact point of my whole comment. You will do worse free lunging a horse or 'round penning' them then you would lunging on a line. All my horses bend around me when asked while lunging.. Because they are relaxed and soft. Im not really sure where you are getting the information above that you seem to think is right.
I use his name only when I mention his halter Even he CA moves his feet when the horse is moving. He doesn't move his feet when asking the horse to change directions.
"Pulling back is one of the most frightening and dangerous of habits a horse can have." Gain some perspective. Ride out a buck, a REAR. Train out a buck, train out a REAR, the REAL way and then come talk to me. You obviously have a lot of track left to run in the equestrian world, a lot of doors left unopened. These aren't real problems. You create them just to "fix" them to prove a point. I mean, really. C'mon.
Don't ya just love how everyone knows just how to fix your problem without knowing your horse nor have they ever seen the Sierra Horse Halter. Pulling back is one of the most frightening and dangerous of habits a horse can have. Too many of these horses end up at the cannery. A simple tool like the Sierra Horse Halter can save these horses without special trainers being involved and very little trauma. Good for you and Jancy!!
Your crap halter is a tool of abuse! I have raised 3 fillies and rehabbed 2 draft horses, all had potentially dangerous habits ranging from biting to kicking to rearing. All were fixed with REAL training, not the use of a painful gimmick. This horse has obviously been allowed to get away with everything, your crappy torture device won't fix that! And I have seen your halter in action, it's nothing more than a modified war bridle and causes just as much pain. I could easily see some nerve damage happening with a horse out of his mind in panic. The owner of Jancy failed this poor filly by not training her properly to begin with and then using abuse as a quick fix! Shame on both of you!
I'm surprised how easy these people talk about getting rid of the horses. To the glue factory, to the cannery, whatever. They want to do everything in a hurry instead of taking the time to train a horse properly. PUlling back might be a dangerous habit, but there's a reason why the horse does that.
I respect you for wanting to break your horse of the pull back habit. Indeed that is a dangerous habit to have. Watching some of your other videos It's pretty obvious to me that this all comes down to one word: Respect. Even with this halter on she still would buck and act a fool and still would continue to be disrespectful. The pull back video you have her being brushed and her pulling back was interesting. She stood quite well for about 5 minutes. Her body language was telling me, "Come on let's do something. I'm bored." She pulled back not because she was scared, but because she was rather done being tied and and wanted to go do something else. From what I can see, she's not pulling back out of fear, she just wants to go do something else. I tell people that no magical stick and string, halter, lead line, special saddle, or bit will make their horse behave. In the end it all comes down to us and how well we can respond to what our horses do. Your horse doesn't see you as the leader and she's taking full advantage of that. She is also a filly and is still learning and has a lot of spunk by the looks of it. I tell people to pick their battles. If she doesn't want to stand still then put her bottom to work until she wants too. If she wants to move then let her move :). She's just telling me in these videos that she's a spunky youngster who needs to be taught some manors. Please don't think I am cracking on you by any means. I promise I am not. I am just simply telling you what I see. I wish you luck in training this youngster. :)
You are correct; she is a young filly, is still learning, and has a lot of spunk. I have worked very hard to create a safe, respectful horse. I don't think, pulling back on the cross ties habit, has anything to do with respect. She probably did get board the first time she pulled back, in an attempt to get out of the cross ties and do something different, but the pulling back turned into a fearful situation for her quickly. 1. she got board and wanted to get out of the cross ties 2. she pulled back 3. she felt a lot of pressure on her poll 4. she got really scared and panicked. Once ingrained in her brain, it became a habit. Horses are habitual, not stupid or resentful. I really don't think it has anything to do with being disrespectful.
Making her feet move every time she pulls back would be exponentially time consuming for this Thoroughbred filly. She doesn't tire easy and even thrives on movement!
You are also correct that there is no one tool that will teach respect, in and of itself, but some of the tools we use such as: halters, bridles, saddles, bits etc...are better than others (and they are ALL tools).
In my experience, this halter beats Clinton Anderson's and Monty Roberts (although they have their place and work well in many situations - so I'm not knocking them) there is just no other tool, that I'm aware of, that cures this pulling back habit.
And it does more than that:
Did you notice how she started to rear up when lounging and I was able to pull and release on the lounge line and get her immediately under control? That's a powerful tool. What trainer working with a dangerous horse wouldn't want to have that kind of power?
Thanks for your comment. I wish you the best of luck will all your equine encounters!
+Janet Wolforth I have thought about that before, that with a hot, endurance-bred animal, moving their feet might not always be the answer. How will this translate into riding? I have been told that disengaging a lot will cure any number of ills, would you think it would work on a horse like yours? I ask since we have a young race/ endurance type of Arab to train. He is 6, so not as much of a handful on the line. I invented a riding device that works on the same principles, but I have not tested it on the Arab yet. I want to get all the bugs out first before I try it on him. Anyway, thanks for posting. It is true, we have been piddling away at our equine probs for years, but it wasn't until we tried this type of halter, that we saw the problems start to disappear.
Good luck with your invention! Moving the feet can be valuable in a number of ways, for sure.
What helped this horse more than anything, in the long run, was teaching her to yield e.g., give and not resist pressure on the ground.
Another thing I highly recommend is conditioning.
Check out the work Jec Ballou.
jecballou.com/
Thank you for showing your case. I also have a TB that pulls ocassionally when she gets in panic when tied, and I need some help to break the habit before is too late.
The blocker ring was working. It releases pressure when the horse pulls back. If you would have watched the instructional video on it you would have known how to use it. I’ve always used it to train horses not to pull back. Never had a problem with a horse not learning to stand tied.
All this could be trained with a standard rope halter and time.
well in the video you said that clint Andersons halter and lead didn't stop him from kicking or doing what erver you said well the lead rope and halter is not made to stop your horse from kick that's you falt you didn't handle hem correctly. I have one and I the right hands and proper use they work
You needed to solidly tie her. With a bungee cord and the slip ring thing, she got release after she broke or pulled it way out. So to get what she wanted, she needed to do that behavior. If you would've tied her to something solid and made a good knot, she would've done her little act up routine, and wouldn't have been able to get the release she wants by yanking back. She would've gotten release after she stopped being crazy and yanking on the rope. People, don't waste your money on useless products
Your horse pulls back because he learned that when he pulls he gets free. All you need is a rope halter. But he should be worked with and tought how to give to pressure before you use a rope halter.
I didn't use a rope halter to train her because I did not want to damage her poll area. The Sierra Halter doesn't apply pressure to the poll, in fact; the pressure is RELEASED from behind the ears (on the poll) AND it pulls the nose to the chest, so it works in a way that is completely different than any halter on the market.
This mare was trained to give to pressure and had no problem giving to pressure at all, other that when tied.
I admit, I tied her way to young and she did learn to pull back and break free, that was my fault (as it is when we train horses; their "bad behavior" is most of the time caused by something stupid the owner and/or trainer does.
It's up to us to figure it out and provide the best, most humane solution
Sierra horse halter covers the problem, it doesnt fix it. Pathetic.
Your horse is the way she is when you are lunging her because of your technique, it is not correct. A lot of your handling of her is incorrect. That is not how ANY horsemen does it. You need to review the DUH method if you are going to be using his name and telling people you are.
I have no idea what the DUH method is or even understand what you're saying when you say "if you are going to be using his name and telling people you are", but I do know the John Lyons method and lunging horses is not rocket science. There ARE many ways to do it incorrectly, but no ONE method that works any better than any other CORRECT method. Break it down: Horse moves around in a large circle, trainer moves around in a smaller circle, trainer stays behind the "drive line" encouraging the horse to move forward. Trainer sends energy to the hips to encourage the horse to yield the hindquarters and come to a stop.
I'm also not so sure what you mean by "the horse is the way she is" because I think she is demonstrating some normal behaviors of a 1 year old Thoroughbred horse with a pedigree of race horses that include both Alydar and Affirmed (google them if you don't know who they are). She was easier to control on the lunge line using the Sierra Horse Halter.
I don't do a lot of lounging because horses are not able to bend correctly and turn in a circle when their heads are held in towards to the center of the circle. All you have to do to understand this is to watch a horse free lounge and examine the way they hold their head and neck.
Janet Wolforth DUH is Downunder Horsemanship and you use Clinton Anderson's name in your video and attempt to use his concept. And no you do not move around in a small circle or move your feet at all while lunging. That is my exact point of my whole comment. You will do worse free lunging a horse or 'round penning' them then you would lunging on a line. All my horses bend around me when asked while lunging.. Because they are relaxed and soft. Im not really sure where you are getting the information above that you seem to think is right.
I use his name only when I mention his halter
Even he CA moves his feet when the horse is moving. He doesn't move his feet when asking the horse to change directions.
"Pulling back is one of the most frightening and dangerous of habits a horse can have."
Gain some perspective. Ride out a buck, a REAR. Train out a buck, train out a REAR, the REAL way and then come talk to me. You obviously have a lot of track left to run in the equestrian world, a lot of doors left unopened.
These aren't real problems. You create them just to "fix" them to prove a point. I mean, really. C'mon.