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Not sure if it is an English law but definitely not a UK wide. As far as it has worked for myself, I received tickets from the so called blue meanies in a certain Scottish city from a private company working for the local council. I have never paid any of those. I did receive a council your bill has doubled, tripled and then threat letters from a debt collectors company stating they are sheriff officers. They are not acting as such as there had never been a court issued cash grab.
These are civil processes not criminal and the letters stopped.
If it is a police or police parking warden with yellow check those must be paid. The exact same for extortion companies saying you must pay like Costa, Starbucks, Mcd, Tesco and other car parks run by private companies we can not be forced to pay and will not be extorted by private companies with no contractual obligation to myself, my company or vehicle. I'd tour all paying these private companies your the reason they exist.
Vast difference between criminal and civil court proceedings as you well know. A private company can send as much threat letters as they wish we can not be forced to hand them money unless a court states so
Why don't you tell them to discharge bills (invoices) like any other for gas, electricity, water, rates, etc.? That is why the Cestui Que Vie trust was established in 1666. Is it only intended for organizations like the City of London? Or at the very least, you could show them how to nullify these claims by restoring them to their status quo ante? Are you really trying to reach one million followers? Followers of what-someone who directs them away from the truth?
Did you say your name is Shensmith, or "Shen," which can mean "spirit of the dead" in Chinese? Is "Shen" your first name, while "Smith" is your surname, or is it all part of the same name? You should know that such names are considered "dead" in legal contexts-whether on paper, plastic, or computer screens. They are not truly dead; they come to life only when someone responds to them, particularly when they are written in all capital letters. Yet, you use Latin, a "dead" language, within your legal system (including Legalese and Sign language).
1. The name "Shen" means "spirit of the dead" in Chinese.
2. In your line of work, you utilize a dead language-dead because there are no native-born speakers, or cultures raised using it.
3. "Surnames" are considered dead in legal contexts, whether on paper, plastic, or computer screens.
4. You expect people to argue on behalf of the dead or to pay lawyers to argue for the dead in those same contexts.
5. To make matters worse, you are affiliated with that "State within a State," the City of London. Which of the four inns of court do you belong to? It must be Lincoln's Inn, or perhaps Middle Temple or Inner Temple.
Confucius once said, "Signs and symbols rule the world, not words or laws." He also stated, "We all have two lives; the second begins when we realize we only have one."
Clearly, you are not a criminal barrister; otherwise, you would tell the "person," "Why argue?" If you don't argue, then it's "dead in the water," as all criminal cases require both parties to agree before they can even be heard. This is how it should be approached.
Ever thought about helping the living, to navigate the world of the dead?
@@salahad-din4114That's the same in England.
Anybody who pretends private parking charge notices can't be enforced in Scotland might want to do an Internet search for Carly Mackie and how that belief played out for her.
@peterthompson6651 Thanks for sharing that comedy nonsense, Pete.
I genuinely LOL'd.
Have you ever considered inventing your own cheques to "discharge" these bills? Probably a decent grift in there for someone.
I hate these car parks. Recently we went to watch a film at a cinema and had only 10 minutes to get out of the carpark along with everyone else all pushing to get out. It is an absolute imposition.these fees are turning our country into a money grabbing s hole.
It's been a money grabbing s hole for at least 25 years and it's not going to get any better.
Turning, I think it's well around the bend now!
It's been that way for ages now. Either keep away from business that make these sort of charges, or be prepared to fight them.
Agreed. Brits everywhere, waiting to screw you and rip you off. It's in the culture, as is "getting rid of everything else that used to be good about Britain".
That's what happens in our local cinema. Some choose to beat the rush by leaving 5 minutes before the end of the film.
Is there a day in UK you can wake up and not expect to be punished or pay for anything?
No
No. Constant unrelenting vigilance is the only way.
At this point, you just have to expect to see a fine in the post. I wake up everyday with ptsd when I see the postman come to my door.
@@ayesha583 Is that POST traumatic stress disorder? :)
Feb 30th
People are making money from the misery of others . This country is lost
Yes. That is how the system works. It's a zero sum game. People can't gain without someone else losing.
that's literally how a solicitor/barriater earns their living
That's Capitalism . Have you not noticed ??? Then again, if anyone mentioned Socialism, you would run a mile !!!!
Every company thinks your money is theirs .
But if you park within the guidelines and agreements then you don't pay anything extra. They can only take action if you break the agreement. In the case of parking it's hardly a "misery".
I owned a haulage company for many years & have had many many run-ins with many of these shysters. All I used to tell them was that I had passed the charge/invoice notice over to the DRIVER of the vehicle at that time but I also reminded them that I had absolutely no legal obligation to confirm the name of the driver or their contact details. By doing so I had discharged all financial liability from myself & my trucks were safe from clamping or seizure. At one point I had Debt Recovery Plus chasing & threatening me with all kinds of heinous threats for £22,500.00 in "charges". They never recovered a single penny & I did this perfectly legally. And to add further insult to these shysters, one of the enforcement agents who came round threatening to clamp my trucks actually ended up working for me & confirmed pretty much everything they threatened people with at recovery stage was absolute utter BS.
22.5 k is impressive I only managed 5.5k
How did you do it mate
These companies go a long way towards the problem of high streets dying. I was at a shopping centre with a 3 hour time limit. Plenty of time unless you need the toilets and then something to eat and drink. Going to write to several of the shops giving them my story of why they lost my custom the other day. Looking at some pendants and rings, window shopping and then went inside to find very little so went outside again to have another look. Just about to go back inside to make some purchases and the wife asked how long we have left... Only 14 minutes and its a good 10 minute walk to the car. So we left and I got home and looked online and found the items cheaper missing out on several other shops.
A few years ago I used a car park the day after the clocks had gone forward. Ticket printed the wrong time therefore it appeared I and others had stayed longer than we had payed for.
Got a ticket ,letter through the post challenged it and told them I would not pay. Much communication , told them I would not pay.
So I took two days at work and protested at the car park handing out and placing fliers protesting my innocence. I managed to convince at least a hundred cars to park elsewhere.
They still wouldn't give in. So I went to nearby shops to see if they had CCTV. Luckily one did and was happy to provide the CCTV if it went that far.Told the car park attendant, he looked at the CCTV and sorted the cancellation of the ticket. I lost two days annual holiday but my God it was worth it.
The consoles ask you to put your registration number in and then hit, 'enter'. They then ask you to hit, 'confirm'. If one were not being generous, one might think that this additional step is an attempt to trick people into walking off and thinking that they had registered their vehicle.
Exactly!!
Whenever I have to visit Britain, i take pictures of EVERYTHING. Confirm screens, traffic lights with a box junction if I'm driving, parking notices, till free receipts.
My working assumption is that every commercial entity you come across in daily life is trying to screw you and empty your wallet. And that's why I visit only when I absolutely have to.
@@SampleTracks2224why?
I do none of that, and have no bus lane/yellow box/parking charges at all.
About the only thing I ever photograph is where I've parked so I can find it again.
@@SampleTracks2224 I also photograph the confirmation screen because I don't trust these machines or the parking companies. If there is no confirmation screen then I enter the reg again and video the whole process. Better to be safe than sorry.
@Acquittal yes but when its already stated its completed on the screen and yet still says confirm in a small box at the bottom - you could argue its been specifically designed to be misleading
This chatbot idea is first class. BBB, you are "The Martin Lewis of Law". You deserve a million subs.
I used to regularly get them outside work for parking in a disabled bay even though my blue badge was on display. Went all the way to court and had a binder full of evidence. Solicitor for the parking company offered me a settlement before the hearing £800 when they were claiming £1500, politely refused. Magistrate threw it out straight away as a she had with all their other cases that day 🤣
Should have offered them the same . Only your settlement would be £1500 😂
So did you get nothing?
@@100Mickl no but I was happy enough with seeing them embarrassed and their solicitor squirming when the magistrate tore strips off him and the company
@@bry_en but they do this every single day - they dont care because they make profit if only 10% of them are successful
U should have sued them for stress and threatening letters
50+ years ago I received my first (and only) parking ticket. It was a Sunday, no-one ever got a ticket on a Sunday. A passenger in my car promptly ran down the line of cars, removed every ticket and put them in the litter bin. Never heard a word.
I would not be happy at someone taking the ticket away. So those poor souls ended up having their fines rise up to "full price" because they had nonidea that they had had a ticket and so the first that they know is when it was too late because the cheaper 14 day period had expired and they are forced to pay twice as much.
Don't interfere in other people's business.
Even when its a blatant attempt to defraud ? ' could even get to demanding with menaces .@notsurewhattobelieve2990
@@notsurewhattobelieve2990 bruh, can you read? 50+ years ago... How they gonna find out 😂
@@benjaminjones2956 'notsure' is not talking about that specific occurence, but generally. If anyone removes a parking ticket, it is doing nobody except the issuer any favour. Barryjones's passenger was an idiot.
@@jdb47games I agree in the modern era. Use your brain, how are they going to track all those cars down 50 years ago? No photo evidence, no tickets, no convictions. 🤷🏼♂️
Car parking charges are a Grift
Some are - some aren't.
We use one PPC at a couple of our sites, and they are instructed by us to take legal action against everyone not paying the charges.
It's literally the only way to stop commuters parking in spaces paid for by our clients, and reserved for their customers.
Same as our offices, we bought a site and built offices with sufficient parking - the fact neighbouring businesses didn't doesn't give their staff the right to park on our land...
I saw a french car with a ticket from a traffic warden in Britain today, good luck collecting that one!
We got a ticket using a hire car in the USA and 3 month later we got a demand for £250 and if we did not pay, we faced court action from the federal authorities, and the car hire company as in the agreement you agree to pay all speed fines parking fines etc, the car hire company had a photo of the driving licence with my home details on, alongside my photo, so they knew exactly where to send things to, as the hire company got the ticket, being the owner of the car, but as the hirer I was responsible, so that ticket will be chased up in France and they will get their money, as any costs incurred goes on your bill, also most of the uk car parks are owned by a company in Australia, I would love for the man to get away with the charges but knowing how tight their contracts are and also how money driven they are, it’s a minimum of £60-75 for the first 14 days jumping to £150 after and they will not want to lose that money
Mind you, it's such a mine field to retrieve money from another country unless there is an inter country agreement 😊
Be careful. I was perused in the UK for a medical bill from the US. The hospital in question never gave me a bill so I left and returned to the UK forgetting all about it
I must say the American debt recovery company were very professional and in fact friendly. Nothing like the cowboys I've dealt with in this country.
I happly paid up minus the recovery charges. I argued that the hospital never presented me with a bill, if they had I would have paid there and then.
Worked for parking services temporarily 2 years ago for 7 weeks. Many many people spawn in from elsewhere on holiday, get fined and then go back, whilst the post keeps circulating
@@timetraveller9321it's different with hire cars, but it's extremely difficult for authorities (or cowboy car parks) to chase speeding/parking infractions committed by foreign registered private vehicles.
There was a pan EU data sharing agreement to chase down fines across the EU, but for the UK that's gone since Brexit.
Now you know why I live in Thailand
You just pay the bent police directly then 😂
Thinking of move there when my kids finished university…
Because you like to Bangkok
@@nubie1100 😹
They have speed cameras now. There is a prominent one on Highway 1 before the Police checkpoint at Mae Chan.
I did wonder when car parks have signs saying they do not accept liability for anything that happens to your car when parked there and how that works in the law
The signs are illegal. They provide false info on law. If the property owner landowner etc cause damage, loss or harm by their own negligence they become liable to provide compensation & may be liable to prosecution if criminal negligence is evident.
Saw a local aerospace company car park sign denying liability for any harm caused to car park users even if caused by employees & contractors of the company.
I pointed out to them the possible problems including putting their employees at risk of criminal prosecution if those employees thought they were immune from criminal prosecution for negligence & a month later all the signs were replaced by a simplified sign saying.
*_???? Aerospace_*
*_Private property_*
😅
Yep at my old employment they had a barrier and we had to pay for the privilege of going through the barrier. A case cropped up a car was damaged the company refused to pay up but did on the steps of a court as the payment to them was a contract for the security of your vehicle whilst parked that's why you pay it.
Hi Daniel, sorry off-topic here. Had an advert on your video a company trying to sell self defence guns that fire rubber bullets and they are claiming it’s a toy and legal in the UK. Thought I’d let you know as that’s quite concerning getting those types of ads on your videos.
Wetwipe bleater. Seen the state of the country? Everyone should have one. Unfortunately though you're likely to be in real danger from armed Rozzers believing it is the real deal.
That’s funny, I got an ad for the Calm app - basically the total opposite 😂
I've reported it to UA-cam under advertisement for firearms. still seeing the ads with link to the same company.
Couldn’t help but laugh at it describing itself as a perfect self-defence weapon, even though as Daniel has described before that anything that is a weapon for self defence is therefore an offensive weapon
Grow up @@pipes9878
I have had several of these private parking fines,ignored them all as per honest johns advice in the telegraph, one was at Taunton services as I overstayed two hours, but the sign said “if your tired take a break” and I did but fell asleep for more than two hours. Absolute madness
Please make your viewers aware that text messages that notify the receiver of a PCN and invite them to pay by entering their debit/credit card number are a scam. A text is not the same as a written notification.
Sounds like a parking mafia with abuse.
This tells me there isn't enough parking for the area.
I just hardly bother to go out, no incentive anymore unless it's for work, to visit a friend or relative or food shopping and then I'd be prepared to drive 5 miles further to avoid these parking places and the constant threat of putting a foot out of place.
And that my friend, is EXACTLY what they want…..
What r the ones that r usually in hospital car parks? I got one of those once because I went into labour and was told by a midwife to go straight to the hospital and I didn't have my purse with me so I asked my sister to bring it for me but by the time she got there I already had a ticket. I wrote to them and explained the situation and I never heard anything form them ever again not even a reply to my letter.
How can it go to a debt company when it hasn't been to court to confirm you owe the debt
Because court is the final port of call.
They'll use intimidation tactics first. That's debt collectors. But they are powerless. Only after a hearing in court does anything then become enforceable.
a Debt company is not necceseirlaly a bailiff or enforcement agent.
So the carparking company goes to Debt company "I have all theses people who I belive owe me money, im in carparking and not really intrested in enfrocement stuff so I will sell you the £100 debt to you for say ... £10 up frount and it becomes your responsibility to get as much of the £100 back as you can; and if you feel the need take it to court to prove the debt. The car park comany gets £10 of a potential £100 but dosent have to worry about courts etc though they may have to provide evidance. the Debt company gets the potential to collect on a £100 for £10 and the legal right to go to court to prove and enforce the debt. A lot of people will pay up as the debt starts to get higher and higer due to added admin fees. meaning that in this particular instance as long as one person in 10 pays up they are breaking even (well on the debt portion, not on the staffing cost, printer ink etc.) The attuly cost of the debt varies widely depending on the risk, evidence avalilbe, probability that the debtor can pay up etc etc.
This means that you can at least in theory go to a debt agency that your friend has a debt for and ask to buy your friends debt for a % of the attul debt, then you can forgive the debt to you friend for that %. Its all about risk effort and reward. if they feel the cost and risk of going to court is higher then the offered value. they will most likely sell the rights to the debt.
Nothing to do with a court. They are just a company that collects payments for other companies.
@quantisedspace7047 so they could just make it up and say you owe. Where is the proof
They sent me a letter before claim 5 years and 6 months after the first 'invoice'.
I sent them a DSAR asking for all details including those of my appeal and they dropped it as they held no records.
Parking eye love to remind people of the Beavis case, even when it has nothing to do with what theyre trying to charge you for.
Exactly. Also the fact that it's only ever that case and no newer ones.
@@flumpaustin1994 That's because the ultimate ruling on the entire concept of private parking charges were settled by Parking Eye v Beavis.
The Supreme Court ruled on the legality of them, the ability to charge more than the loss, the fact the company can make a profit and so on.
I've got a £298 bill for over staying in a Wickes store whilst shopping in the Wickes store!
What a joke, hope you get it appealed off
Outrageous goings on.
They're sending you credit I'd say that's a good thing.
How long did you overpark for that size of a fine?
Were you actually overstaying, and what were the times involved?
It is a small price to pay to enter your car reg for free parking for users of the establishment. It is actually a good idea else people who are not users of the establishment will use it leaving those who need it with no parking space.
On another note, there is a very small shopping area I use which has a large supermarket, 2 coffee shops, a gym, 2 eat in/takeaway places, 2 clothes shops, a diy shop, a cardshop, a electronics shop a sports shop, a £shop and a daycare but your only permitted 3 hours of free parking by UKPC. I have written to UKPC saying it is not enough time but it remains the same - just 3 hours which I find ridiculous.
What is the law when entering a private car park if you covered your number plate. I feel like it's getting to that point with them Parking cameras.
No fine or forfeiture before being found guilty by a trial by 12 of your peers jurors. This was confirmed by the speaker of house of commons 1689 bill of rights is still fully in force. The name penalty charge or parking fine, makes no difference.
@@kalaspera12 You understand the Supreme Court have ruled on this...?
It's not actually a fine - it's a payment of damages you make for breach of contract.
Get yourself a proper knowledge of the law, and stop believing clowns on UA-cam
@@jdb47games That is the law,so stop clowning around with bad advice.
What a vile and shameful way to make a living, causing misery to others. Whilst ruining their own karma as figures of hatred. Disgusting.
Something to check is planning permission for the site, all of these private parking sites that have charges come under the classification of a pay to park scheme, this requires planning permission but many do not bother to obtain it, do your checks!
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I hate these things. The car park next to my work is huge and mostly empty. It only costs £1 for the day but I was in a hurry one day and forgot to pay. Got slapped with an £80 fine. How is that cost in anyway justified? That's 80 days of parking for a simple mistake. go into the office like once a week so that's about two years of parking for me. The car park was mostly empty, it's not like I was taking a spot from anyone. I think there should be some kind of cap on how much you can get charged relative to the car park cost.
You can usually ignore them and they eventualluy go away
It's good to have a regular parking attendant who can watch for thieves and vandals, and cover for you if he knows you as a regular (Personal relationships are important in life!), but it sounds as though that car park doesn't have enough business to employ an attendant.
90p an hour currently near me
Not since Parking Eye v Beavis.
I received a fine from a car park where the payment machine was not working so drove out. I was supposed to scan an image and contact them to pay. I am a pensioner and not very tec with phones.
Surely if you were actually in the pub giving them your custom while you were parked, and probably recorded on CCTC, isn't that what matters? If they fined me anyway, I would launch a campaign to warn other customers and would-be customers how the pub and its contracted parking company treats its customers. I would picket the place with a sign. Why would we support such a mean-spirited business?
well they left for a holiday and just left the car there as well but also its not on the pub is its the parking company who are the ones pressing you and demanding you pay while not protecting you car if something happens.
If I enter the car park as a criminal trespasser, and have no intention to pay the charges, because I'm a criminal trespasser, there will be no contract and the charges will be invalid. Now will they prosecute me for criminal trespass ?
No, They won't listen, and will just repeat that I agreed when I clearly didn't. Legal hierarchy is just dogmatic.
Cool theory.
Never worked in court.
Got a £60 fine while eating at McDonald’s . Who knew you can’t spend more than 90 minutes when having a kids party
That’s disgraceful! Mc Donalds should surely realise that you need more time for a kid’s party! Was there another company managing the parking? If so Mc Donalds should speak to this company! I would try and charge Mc Donalds the fine.
Ludicrious
@@BlackBeltBarristerIt's not ludicrous at all. It's likely McDonald's didn't know that that particular car was there for a party.
In any case, you don't have to park /there/ for a party. You could have just dropped the minors off and picked them up later.
McDonald's is a fast food chain. The assumption is that you're going to stay only as long as necessary to pick up food and eat it.
Every McDonald's car park that I have seen has a time limit clearly displayed. Maybe yours didn't.
If it didn't have a limit displayed, then you'd be reasonable to assume that you could stay there essentially as long as you need to.
You don't state whether there was any such signage or not. If there was and you'be overstayed, that's on you. If there was no such sign, that's on them.
Either way it's bad business practice.
It would have made more sense for you to be reminded that you were approaching your time limit.
I got a bill for same from McDonald's in Edinburgh, thing was it was the night of the Taylor Swift concert and traffic was gridlocked for hours, we couldn't get out of the park! I wonder how much they made that night as there were many people stuck.
I got one from McDonald's and I never paid it. Nothing happened only threats. It's been about 6 years now and still not taken to court.
When staying at a hotel, if you pay extra for parking, ensure they record your registration correctly.
I was recently sent a photo of my vehicle along with a fine. This was due to the hotel staff entering my registration incorrectly, substituting a zero for the letter O, which automatically marked my vehicle as in breach of the terms. Thankfully, it was resolved, but not without anxiety and numerous calls.
Visiting Australia atm, in Australia all they can claim is any loss of earnings, as an example I over stayed my time by 6 minutes, the dept collectors tried to claims $50 dollars but all they could claim was $4, now the thing is in Australia you can only claim cost against a person with regards to any parking depts, now the dept company can only get driver details by going through the courts and that costs a lot more than $4. So from what I see not many pay these private type fines.
in the US its even simpler.., if its a private "fine" your under no obligation to pay it at all.. people just get tricked into it. I think here in the NL , its more similar to the UK
That’s one of the basic differences in culture between U.S. and Europe. I’m European, but reckon they do lots of things better over there. Essentially they regard self reliance more highly than we do ?
@@bookmuppet Would they tow or clamp you in the US though?
Those are banned here (except in limited official circumstances) and what exists now is the replacement.
@@pup6728 private towing is crazy, and yes it happens here to. it should be illigal
I got a CCJ from evil parking eye. I dropped my mum off at Burton on Trent Eye Hospital front door, left and went to McDonalds, came back to collect her when they phoned me and picked her up and left. Parking Eye took my first entrance and my last exit and said I’d been there for hours. I don’t know anything about it going through court. PE sent me the fine initially, I disputed it (not appealed) in return writing. I heard nothing at all. Then I had a CCJ whenever the court hadn’t included me in the process. I had to pay it to get it changed to “satisfied” on my records. 7wats.
I've had a about 10 on my vehicle in my South London council estate over the year's. I just send them toy money in the post and pay recorded delivery. Never been taken to court by these crooks.
Tonight, on Things That Never Happened.....
Daniel , as a former UK police officer , in addition to everything you have said , I would say , to help anyone's case , should they unfortunately have one , is, if the terminal inside the pub is not genuinely functioning or is broken , take a photo of said terminal showing the malfunction and another photo showing the terminal in the pub with its surroundings and if necessary a photo of the member of staff you spoke to, all are time/date stamped on your phone.
That does not guarantee anything obviously but it does show that what you are saying is correct and not made up which gives some credibility to you and dispels any prosecution claim that you are not telling the truth which can help , credibility matters in a court
If there are signs in the car park , take pics of those , showing positioning , size and height from the ground etc , all can be used to counter any prosecution claims that the signs are clear and visible given it is unlikely that the prosecutor has actually been to the pub in question. they will just be spouting what they have been told by the company who maybe ' a bit vague' with the details and economical with the truth ( that's from personal experience )
This advice cannot do you any harm so therefore can only help , it may not win you the case , depending on any other circumstances but it cannot hinder your case.
The main issue in this case is does the notice say “Protection of Freedoms Act” and issued within 14 days?
If not they can only hold the driver responsible and not transfer the liability onto the owner. So as long as you don’t identify them there is no nothing they can do. 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
It’s ridiculous! The amount of PCNs I’ve been issued with, without justified grounds! I think they love receiving contentious letters from me!
Parking eye pursuit of the man who owned the fish and chip shop ended up with him paying out thousands of ££££s in court costs.
While driving to work my phone rang so I pulled over into a pub car park unknown to me it was managed by a parking enforcement agency. The sign was on the entrance but way above the line of eye about 12 feet from the ground.
I finished the phone call, i was there and it is stated in the letter they sent me for 8 minutes and I didn't get out my car at any time and left. Now they want £100, am I legally obligated to pay this charge?
If you were there for 8 minutes, that implies acceptance of terms. If you are there just long enough to read the terms and then depart (say two minutes), then there is no offer and acceptance, but 8 minutes will probably be regarded as much longer than needed for that.
You're usually granted a 10 minute grace period to accept the terms, so you should have a good case and should appeal.
In our local town an Asda store came. At planning they told the other traders that they would bring extra footfall to the town, and the traders would see a positive effect. Roll forward a few years, my ex girlfriend took her elderly mum shopping, the spent a few hundred pounds in the Asda, then went into the town.
A week or so later a letter for overstaying landed on our doorstep. A polite letter reminding them of their pre planning promise to the other traders had it cancelled. The best thing was, the Asda was built on the site of the former multi storey car park, therefore they had reduced the parking capacity for the town by a lot.
Local Tesco has timed parking, after spending 20 mins finding a space entered packed store, saw lines halfway to the back of the store, walked out, they are only shut for 1 day!
Can you train an AI assistant to get Labour out of power ? 😃🥳
my girlfriend entered an area with parking where there was a sign that said No Parking and that a fine would be imposed if you parked, she left within 10 minutes and a pcn came through, these private car parks need an overhaul and need proper regulating
So….. if I’ve understood you correctly, she parked in a physical space covered by a sign stating “No Parking”, then received a charging notice for parking in said space, and you take objection to that ? What do you want…. The moon on a stick ?
"fine", "pcn" ?! This is a bit dramatic, no ? It's simply a company asking you for payment. A "fine" is something issued by a court. A proper PCN is something issued by the Polis or similar.
Far too many people think these companies have some sort of legal authority. They don't; they're just that: a company, who can ask for payment just like any other.
@@arnolddill read my comment again very carefully then get back to me so you don't make a dumb comment again
So basically you are admitting to parking for nine minutes then! 😂
@@Eatcrow think you need to read the comment again also
I don't think the question "can we park here", could ever reasonably be expected to be "can we park here, for no related reason, for days to weeks"
Daniel. Would be great if you could make a video on how to fight back against these money grabbers. I wasn’t able to submit an acknowledgment of service in time when I had a tribunal letter through the post while I was out of the country for 8 weeks. I ended up having to pay as a result even though I’m almost certain I would have successfully defended my case in court (signs were inadequate, font too small, no evidence of parking, only an entry and exit photo taken by ukpc, etc…). Can think of a million better ways to lose that money so would love to know if there’s a way to get it back.
@BlackBeltBarrister
It is not clear from your intro and transcript at 3:18 onwards, did the viewer leave the car in the car park while they were on holiday or, they went on holiday some time later, days/weeks after using the car park?
So the only way they can punish you is levy a ccj, what if a ccj means absolutely nothing and has no consequence to you? Then I’m ignoring them.
I had a ccj put on me from ukpc and they were chasing me from my vehicle details. They can pay the dvla a fee and the dvla hand over the info which is quite disgusting so all i ended up doing was insuring it at my parents house. bailifs visited twice during the 6 years of the ccj and both times left after seeing the council tax bill to prove i didnt live there and that only my car was registered and insured there and they had no idea where i was 🤣🤣 6 years later 2022 they didnt get a penny and im ccj free
Great to see you back focusing on law.
If only because some of the comments from the FOTL-style woo advocates are hilarious!
It is so easy to get rid of any private parking charge. Just name the driver , who happens to be your long lost cousin who was over on holiday from any other country, the keeper has fulfilled their responsibility and transferred liability to the driver. The parking company can no longer chase the keeper as they know the identity of the driver.
Make sure the fictional driver is named Mohammed. They won't bother to check up.
All this reminds me why I gave up driving 20y ago.
I was threatened with court for parking in a disabled bay in june2023 and after 11 letters. I sent the last one back unopened and haven’t heard any more. My understanding that the debt of 170 pounds is too low for court in Scotland so it isn’t cost effective to pursue it.
True. Also no keeper liability in Scotland so they can usually be easily quashed with one letter.
debt recover plus and others in their ilk are reknown for bending, ignoring or outright breaking laws and legislation and contractual obligations, pressuring both land owners and the defendent. Theres entire forums dedicated to bringing this stuff to light, theyre scum and the parking companys are constantly taken to court and fined / prosecuted for their unethical behaviour.
What a load of cobblers ... They just wanted cheap secure parking whilst out of the country and they got caught out ... serves them right
S54 and schedule 4 of POFA 2012 are so worth learning.
My friend got a ticket for imputing the wrong car Park number by one digit. They refused her appeal. Disgusting.
They probably didn't believe he even tried to input his reg number in their machines. That is why I photograph the confirmation screen so they can't say that.
That's on them, and they need to take responsibility, they should have checked the registration and inputted correctly, sorry but no sympathy
Not payed for parking since 06. Had thousands of tickets and only had one enforcement clamp my car for about an hour. The car was on finance at the time so couldn’t do anything.
What if they fail to send you any letters or other notifications, and just hand it to a debt recovery agency three months later?
Parking eye got me. Drove into Aldi, did a weeks shopping drove away. Realised I forgot something drove back to the shop and bought more things. They fined me for staying more the 2 hours. It was not 2 hours parked but yes the 2 visits were over 2 hours… hardly fair. Never been back to that shop again, will ever shop there again.
I successfully had an Nforce parking charge over turned. I am still being chased for payment, threatened with “further action.” Letters, texts etc. can I take them to court for harassment?
My only issue would be that it was a PUB car park. It's for use during working hours not indefinitely. Yes you could VERY easily have gotten away with parking until around midnight but coming back to your vehicle weeks later just goes beyond expected business parking. Looking at the images at least 6 weeks passed before acknowledgment of the offence
Top idea making legal chat bots !
I've had my parking charge sent to a debt collector. My wife parked at a restaurant and stayed for 3 hours, where there was a maximum stay of 1hr and 45 minutes. We gave proof via a bank statement thst she was a patron and they reduced the charge to £25. I did not pay, and now I'm waiting for my court case.
Should I ignore the letters from the solicitor? It's a small car park, but the signs are everywhere (only now noticed due to this charge)
I would like to see barrier in and out, or clear road markings and vehicle registration recognition as standard and law. I have been caught to EuroCarparks, and in my own opinon the signs aren't clear, the machines are a problem, and there is no way to object to the fine/charge.
Aldi in Scarborough have this same system i only know as i had to visit regularly as my daughter attended orthodontics there and if i remember correct they have a 1 hour stay window (it maybe 2hr) but i am sure its 1 anyways, i used to park in there and use there shop and buy a few items and inputted my reg as i left and i never had a issue, the main reason they used this system is the limited spaces on a sea side resort and people would abuse it in summer causing mayhem, my local Aldi's don't use this system as there is no need so i understand there is a use for it, but if i had seen this sign i wouldn't care what any member of staff said i wouldn't be leaving my car there, as my car is my responsibility.
The sign says guests must register their vehicle registration on the console. Most of the time its the staff and not the "guest" who have access to these consoles. (Part of ensuring guests are actually using the pub and not just their carpark).
So if the staff are offering to ensure compliance on my behalf and then they fail or neglect to do so then the process is flawed. If its the guest who must enter the details then the console should be accessible to the guest. They dont do that though as folk would just register and then leave.
The whole set up is poitnless as you "the guest" are not ABLE to ensure your own compliance as the need for enforcement requires it to be a staff member who can confirm you are indeed a guest and chose to accept your car into the carpark by entering your details!! This is not what the sign (terms) require 🤦♂️
Not fair really is it. "Register your car at the terminal in the pub". What happens if your already hammered when you get there and can't read your number plate.
I really appreciate your educational videos, especially with the busy workload you must have.
We stayed in a carpark in Retford, didn't stop long and paid the fee with my Bank card 61p
Went on 2 weeks holiday a week after ,got back to a nice fine and because we didn't reply in the time got a £100 fine even though I sent them proof of paying,my hubby working in a prison paid the fine ,once you have paid you have no chance of getting a reimbursement,total Robber's,you can't even talk to anyone
If using a console to input your vehicle’s details, I would recommend that you take a photo of the screen.
If the car park is private land, then why not remove registartion numbers as they are not legal obligation on private land?
Did they ask if they could park there for 2 weeks while they went on holiday. I would imaging the Camara system resets regularly
I went to court in as they had put up cameras but had not yet put any signs up. The Parking company won as they merely doctored the photos with the date changed. They had no Planning Permission for the signs (which is a crime).The judge said that 'that 's true but it had not been proved in court' The Parking Company wanted £175 but the Judge ordered me to pay £200. This is entirely true.
Got 2 of these charges from 2019... they stopped sending letters for a few years, had another one recently out of the blue
There triers
They have 6 years to take you to court, so possibly an automated system has identified that expires next year and has "reactivated" your case at their end.
Seems to happen a lot.
@stevenhodgson834 lol, good luck to em.
Does it actually matter what the bar staff say in this instance though?
If the car park is managed by Euro Car Parks (or whoever) then that's not the pub and therefore nothing anyone in the pub (even the owner of the pub) could be taken as law as they don't manage the car park at all.
I'm a little confused as to how anything they say could ever be used as evidence as they in the simplest terms have nothing to do with the running of the car park?
Daniel covered this point in the video. The parking company are acting as an agent. In my words they're not the boss.
@ I should listen more carefully. I was watching it at 2x speed.
Don't you go on. I keep falling asleep before you get to the point
Yeah. Know what you mean. But that’s the law for you. It has to be complicated, or it wouldn’t work - too many ‘exit routes’ otherwise.
I went to a bowling alley in Canterbury, Kent with my young grandson, there were a few spaces outside including a disabled of which I am qualified a few days later I got a £100 parking fine for not paying! You assume the parking is with the leisure activity, noticing not obvious to the alternative....outrageous local pubs have started this as well - be careful....appealed but of course lost!
We had a pub that installed this, people stopped going there. They soon reversed that decision.
A Parking company's highest priority is to find a way to fine people. Unless I'm using a parking app with evidence of payment. I ALWAYS TAKE PHOTOGRAPHIC EVIDENCE OF MY SCREEN ENTRY. I also do the same with ambiguous parking signs in free parking areas. Paranoid? Maybe but you can never have too much evidence when dealing with criminals.
I had a friend who ran out of petrol at a service station, I made a bank transfer and the bank site was down because of maintenance, so the money took a while to get through to her, we asked the parking company to be understanding even given my bank statement and explained the situation she did not use any of the facilities at the service station, they are now taking her to court how do we stand with the court ?
I will boycott any pub that charges for parking on principle
This is probably the best use of AI that I’ve come across. Well done!
With regards to verbal agreements, would this not require evidence of what was said? Many companies record telephone conversations but mobile phones in the UK appear to have the call recording feature disabled, which puts the consumer at a disadvantage.
I remember one story from a few years ago of an elderly gentleman who had parked in a car park that was controlled by one of the big companies.
He had entered the number plate wrong in the machine - they refused to help him in anyway even with all the evidence showing he had followed the rules and paid for the 3 hours he parked for. It was just the wrong number plate.
And then the fine was £200 as he had contested it and not paid it in the opening time period.
He was forced to pay it even though it was basically every single penny he had in his bank - so basically 100% of everything he had just for 3 hours parking
An English couple now living in Australia described driving around a carpark desperately looking for a pay and display... There wasn't one.
I got a ticket because my visible parking permit was at the wrong angle. My permit was even visible in 5 of the 8 evidence photos they produced. I took this up with my landlord who employed the parking company. Because I spoke to my landlord 3 times about the matter. They said I was taking up too much of their time and I was evicted from my home.
Make sure all planning permission is granted, and up to date, regarding signs, cameras, paint markers.
I found a sign at Tesco's saying parking was free at all times. Lanark Memorial Hall should have a record of this via my email. At the end of the day Tesco are clutching at straws.
I've been sent a parking ticket & told I parked in a staff car park for an hour & a half at a hospital. I didn't. I pulled into the staff carpark, saw the signs, and went back around to the multi-storey. They're still chasing me with number plate images. But there are no location images. Can I demand location images?
I usually take a photo of the confirmation screen because i just dont trust those machines or the parking companies.
As it’s private property, what’s the stance in not displaying a reg plate or vin during the visit?
Normally a request to these parking companies to prove they own the land usually resolves the matter
Could you confirm whether or not the exchange of bills act has been repealed or not? My partner has had her alleged debt sent to yet another debt recovery company despite it being thrown out by a court & a firm of solicitors. As I understand this act as originally written,once a debt is sold on or bought by another party,it is expunged. As it has then been paid & the newfirm is acting fraudulently by trying to recover something which no longer exists.
The parking company lost in court and are still chasing the (alleged) debt?
Is your partner sure it's for the same parking charge notice?
I was 25 minutes over once in a parking eye car park. I paid the 100 pounds charge because their paperwork was bang on. I wasn't intimidated at any point. I just couldn't find a loop hole. They're good at what they do.